Best to Worst: The Most Efficient EVs

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Today we want to dive into which car companies are making the most efficient electric vehicles. And we think the best way to measure that is to look at who uses the least amount of electricity to go the furthest.
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[@olampros321]

Thank you, very comprehensive!

[@richardhintonracing]

Good topic John . Here in UK first of this month the price cap came off and the price of mains electricity literally has doubled . At a public charge station on a motorway the price of the electricity is 4 times the price of buying it at home . Our CPI for March was 7% the RPI was 9% and the PPI producer price index factory gate increased by 19% - so huge further inflation is on its way . Meanwhile gasoline prices on UK forecourts is (converted in to US dollars and US gallons) is now $9.50 per US gallon . To drive from London to the south of France (which people often do) is 850 miles each way - the return journey will now cost you $500 in gasoline alone . Motoring anywhere by what ever means has just got very expensive ,

[@tylermoser6706]

Richard this is quite the eye opener for a guy in the USA. Have you started seeing more people commuting on bicycles?

[@flyby3964]

gr8 numbers,only sad thing is not a single 1 of those ev's r affordable 4 tru main stream consumers, so i c it as ev's r over priced an always will b,stop drinking the kool-aid or whatever it is u drink

[@liamball8335]

I’m getting on average 4.4 m/kWh with my model Y. I was getting 5 with my bmw I3. The Tesla efficiency is amazing.

[@A.Deveneaux]

John, you are correct. I really like miles/ kWh. After 4 years of owning an EV, I still get confused with Wh/mile.

[@SHO1989]

Excellent video. First time I've seen a comprehensive list and comparison. Thank you.

[@dennislyons3095]

In our 2017 Bolt Premium we regularly get 3.9-4.0 Mi/Kwh in mixed highway & city driving. Over the total time we have been driving this car, we have settled above 3.5 mi/k2h.

[@normt430]

We max out at about 3.5 miles on a 2018 CT6 2.0E plug-in or 45 miles of EV range before engine comes on. We are in EV mode more than 80% of the time.

[@pokute1]

amazing video, I wonder how the AWD model y drops to on that list

[@prasadt772]

I'm glad Hummer is carrying on its legacy even in the Bev platform. #pimpmyride 😂

[@gmv0553]

All the pickups will be inefficient, even the Cybertruck!

[@prasadt772]

@@gmv0553 not all. How do I know this, because I don't. We will have to wait for it to be certain, till then #pimpmyride

[@SinbadCarey]

It's a shame you couldn't include the BMW i3 in this. mine has a lifetime rating of 4.1 m/Kwh, but on my 64 mile commute of 70/30% motorway/urban - I can get 5.1 if I take it easy. It can do this because it's very light for an EV at 1360 Kg, although some would say (not me) that it's because it's so ugly and the wind just wants to get out of its way!!

[@nc3826]

lmao ;)

[@rp9674]

Not ugly

[@ruthwik081]

It has such a short range and so costly

[@RANDsreviews]

Great segment!!!!! Thanks!!!

[@georgepelton5645]

Nice comparison of EVs currently available in the US. Improved efficiency does more than just lower owner’s running costs. It helps EVs to shorten charge times on road trips, and increases range for a given battery size [cost and weight]. Great job Autoline!

[@joeclutchless1944]

This is a much needed metric for comparing EVs. However it would be nice to see kWh per interior volume or weight carrying capacity. That would allow a more apples to apples comparison.

[@phillyphil1513]

for those wondering since they're not on the chart, i looked up the EPA numbers for the 2021 Hyundai Kona and Kia Niro EVs. the Niro is 30 kWh/100 miles while the Kona is 27 kWh/100 miles.

[@selmateacher7]

With a better efficiency, comes shorter recharge times.

[@Miata822]

The new generation of 8-900V batteries that we are starting to see add to both efficiency and higher charging limits.

[@tesla_tap]

@@Miata822 There are some tiny advantages of 800v+ systems, but far less than you'd expect and has little relation to charging times given identical cells. The cell and cooling system controls the maximum charging speed, and cells are typically 3.7v. You just put them in different configurations to get the pack voltage. For example, a 500v pack charging at 500 amps (250 kW) is the same as a 1000v pack charging at 250 amps (also 250 kW). It gets confusing as often marketing takes over to make questionable claims, often talking about some theoretical maximum power (from a 350 kW charger) that no car today can accept. The higher voltage system have the potential to use reduced diameter HV conductors, but requires thicker insulation. The net result can reduce the weigth of the vehicle slightly - maybe by 5 lbs or so, not enough to make a significant difference.

[@selmateacher7]

@@Miata822 Awesome.

[@Miata822]

@@tesla_tap Higher voltage charging allows more wattage with fewer amps. It is amperage that generates heat in the charger and the car's wiring. This heat is why most charging quickly tapers off from its early peak rate. See Tom Moloughney's Lucid charging test and charging curve review for a demonstration. The advantage continues while operating the vehicle. Higher voltage means less heat loss and allows the use of smaller and lighter components.

[@nc3826]

Tom Moloughney's, State of Charge channel does truly comparable testing.... So fanbois hate it, since it shows the superiority of the Lucid AIr... Which they can not deal with ;)

[@Amuzic_Earth]

keep these videos coming!!

[@bwilson4web]

Great program! At $2.75 per 100 miles, my 2019 Tesla Model 3 Standard Range Plus raises eyebrows since gasoline is almost a dollar higher per gallon. Then I mention where I find free charging around town. One minor correction, the 2021 Model 3 is EPA rated at 24 kWh/100 miles due in part to more efficient heating and cooling. I just wish the EPA would add a fractional decimal place to the kWh number to avoid rounding issues. Some of those cars fit in buckets just under 1 kWh wide.

[@nc3826]

EPA allows a few variations in how to calculate the range and mileage figures. And of course Tesla uses the variations that give it the longest figures. So it is completely worthless for comparison purposes.

[@stevefoster6047]

@@nc3826 My Model 3's lifetime average mileage is 4.03 mi/kWh, and that is with relatively aggressive driving (to be clear I mean aggressive relative to surrounding traffic). I would note that matches the EPA figure, which implies to me that it's not completely worthless despite Tesla's choice to use the most generous rating calculation. Rather I would say it's both flawed and the best we have. I'm sure we both agree that it would be much better if the EPA did not allow for variations in the way to measure and apply it's ratings.

[@nc3826]

@@stevefoster6047 Why tell me? anecdotal reports are irrelevant to this matter....

[@nc3826]

@@stevefoster6047 unless you have 1 of every BEV that you drive the same way? lol

[@unclegeorge7845]

Hi John, Yes or Amen to "Miles per kilowatt." Thanks for your ongoing work delivering honest, interesting information about transportation.

[@butlerweldingfabrication7209]

Thanks 4 sharing

[@stevenbizzle355]

I enjoy your insights John. How would the F150 Lightning and E-transit slot in this list ?

[@chrissscottt]

In city driving I'd get 6 miles per kwh in my old nissan leaf without trying too hard. If you're only driving around 30 to 40 mph on average you can get great range in nearly any EV.

[@anthonyxuereb792]

It all comes down to intelligent driving.

[@rok1475]

@@anthonyxuereb792 not quite The aerodynamic drag raises exponentially with speed. The slower you drive the less energy is wasted on drag. A vehicle driving 60mph on a highway will use significantly more energy than the same vehicle moving at 30-40mph, regardless of the intelligence of the driver.

[@stevefoster6047]

I agree with you that if you can drive at a steady 35 mph you will get great mileage with any EV, but that is in my experience rarely possible. In my old Nissan Leaf I never got anything close to 6 m/kWh in the 107,000 miles I drove it. I did routinely hypemile and so I was typically getting 4-4.5 m/kWh, but that was actually trying pretty hard and thoroughly annoying to other drivers on the road as I refused to exceed the speed limit. Compare that to my Model 3 where my lifetime mileage is 0.248 Wh/mile, or 4.03 m/kWh (in 48,000 mi), but that is achieved not by hypermileing, rather I drive the 3 just as aggressively and fast as everyone else does. There's do doubt the Model 3 is by far the more efficient of the two and the higher the speed the bigger the difference.

[@chrissscottt]

@@stevefoster6047 Yes my facebook group didn't believe me either til I posted leafspy screenshots. Also you can drive economically and considerately by speeding up or getting out of the way if you're holding up traffic. Couple of things though, my leaf was lowered, I live in a temperate climate so didn't use heating/cooling and I never calibrated the Nissan cpu so I may have had more battery capacity than the instruments indicated. (50% degradation!)

[@mikesamyn7054]

John, Thanks for the tip on finding economy values for all other cars.

[@Thomas-re9ky]

You can divide miles/kWh by vehicles weight to account for the vehicle’s weight. So (miles/kWh)/weight. This would better measure the battery’s efficiency, not the car itself though.

[@dmitchellhomes]

Exactly, Lucid rises right to the top of battery and powertrain efficiency, charges the fastest too.

[@nc3826]

2022 Lucid Air Grand Touring- Long Range version, has an EPA range of 516mi and a 112 kWh battery pack... so how did you get 3.8 mi/kWh? it should be 4.4 mi/kWh Even the Performance version has an EPA range of 446 miles so it rounds up to 4 mi/kWh... and the Dream Edition has an EPA range of 520 mi and a 112 kWh battery pack...

[@georgepelton5645]

EPA energy consumption is measured from the EVSE going into the vehicle. This makes sense because this is what you pay for. Energy loss in the on-board charger, cables, and battery require about 10-15% more kWh than the battery capacity for a 100% charge.

[@nc3826]

Yea, so? The EPA figures (i.e range) are not in dispute here...

[@georgepelton5645]

@@nc3826 It looks like you used the 112 kWh capacity of the pack, instead of the kWh needed to charge it. Assuming the 112 kWh is the useable capacity [not total capacity] then it would take 112 *1.21 = 135 kWh to charge from 0-100% with a L2 EVSE. That is assuming about 80% total efficiency for Lucid’s on-board charger, battery, and wiring.

[@nc3826]

"Assumptions" are never accurate and are therefore counterproductive... Plus the EPA allows variations in how OEMs calculate EPA mileage figures and for example Porsche reduces its, EPA mileage figure for the Taycan by 10%. (And of course Tesla uses the variations that give it the longest figures) So strictly going by EPA mileage figures is completely worthless for comparison purposes. Check out channels, where they do comprarble testing such as State of Charge on YT. To see how superior the Lucid Air efficiency is... Then you will be able to forget about your pointless assumptions.

[@battousaihimura]

Would be nice to classify them by segment

[@ltkwok]

I have a Model 3. The 300+ mile range is optimistic. It’s more like 250-270. So it’s miles per kwh is closing to 3.5.

[@johnkinsfather64]

Informative. What the consumer badly needs.

[@OwenFromOhio]

Good on the Bolt... Great efficiency at half the Price!!

[@toth1982]

I like autoline, but there is two important aspect which should be mentioned here. Weight and drag coefficient and frontal area affects efficiency by a lot. So the bolt is so efficient, because it is small. Ioniq 5 is less efficient than the EV6, because it is less aerodynamic. The 2nd important aspect is that there can be significant differences between different EPA tests. E.g. there are 2 cycle and 5 cycle test. The latest is more expensive to do, but gives better efficiency numbers for the same vehicle. Also, automakers can choose some numbers(and vehicle configuration) by themselves, thus degrading their own numbers. Famous example is the Taycan. They gave the worst case scenario in that EPA range and efficiency. So you always get more range than the EPA.

[@hartfischer5509]

incredible, great comparison. I now have to divide 1 by x, in order to get the watts per mile. Is that the European way? Tesla Bjorn does it that way, and I guess I am now used to that. Or, give me a MPGe rating:) Tesla LR RWD tops them all, at 4 miles per kwh, 250 Watts per mile, and 130 MPGe :)

[@whattheschmidt]

Watt hours per mile ftw. Energy graphs in the car shows this to know how efficient you are.

[@Longsnowsm]

I hope to see a lot more rankings and reporting like this. Efficiency is king and the entire EV marketplace seems to be going in the opposite direction. This ranking by efficiency is greatly needed. Some real world tests comparing real world numbers and not just what the EPA received would be helpful. Also it would be good to see products and enhancements that can help even improve these numbers like wheel covers, narrower tires, lighter and smaller wheels, skirts, spoilers, performance tuning, and driving technique tips that center around efficiency and getting the longest range per charge. Hopefully we can get the EV market focused in a different direction than it is headed currently. Also there is a lot of focus on DCFC, but I think there should be equal attention to wear/degradation when fast charging vs Level 1 or 2 charging for the best care and longevity of these very expensive batteries. People have somehow gotten the impression that these batteries last forever and don't require any care or special treatment and that is just flat out wrong. The manufacturers tell you in the warranty information that a 2-3% degradation per year is within spec for normal wear and does not qualify for warranty replacement and warn that fast charging will increase that rate of degradation. So a lot more attention needs to be placed on the proper care and feeding of these vehicles and setting a proper expectation of the service life of these batteries. Thanks for the video.

[@michaelschneider-]

Great topic. Time to become knowledgeable as to the kWh / mileage translation. Have been putt putting around in a ‘21 Tesla model 3 RWD. … That’s one quick over grown golf cart … Not ready to jettison the ICE ….

[@suserman7775]

I love this channel and I love my new EV6 RWD with the 77.4 kWh battery. My driving style is to get away from other traffic so my efficiency ranges from 2.9 to 3.2 mi/kWh.

[@stevefoster6047]

Congrats, the EV6 is by all reports a very fine car, if not the most efficient, it nevertheless is vastly more efficient than any remotely comparable ICE car. My driving style is the same as yours, although my Model 3 gets 4 mi/kWh despite my aggressive driving. Actually the lifetime average mileage is 4.03 mi/kWh over 48,000 miles.. Like you, I love my ride.

[@suserman7775]

@@stevefoster6047 Yes in my opinion no brand beats Tesla in the engineering of the batteries and electric drivetrain. I looked at Tesla and if they still had the tax credit I likely would have gotten one. The EV6 apparently doesn't fare too badly in the engineering. Very satisfying to drive and it's just awesome to not have to pump gas anymore.

[@youdontknowme2915]

My 2023 Chevy Bolt has a life time average of 4.5 per kWh .. no complaints for me. 45k miles so far

[@mundoracer]

The old bmw i3 is pretty good, but not on the list due to being discontinued.

[@KTPurdy]

Nice video

[@jp3npt]

My 2015 Kia Soul EV+ averages 4.0 m/kWh year-round in eastern NC, and that's with normal driving and normal use of heat and AC. I think it's quite remarkable considering it's built on an ICE vehicle chassis. I drive 1400 miles/month, so the efficiency save me a ton on my electric bill. I know the upgraded 30 kWh battery makes it lighter than the longer range EVs, but then again, I only paid $16,000 for it back in 2018, it still looks and drives like a new car, and it takes care of 98% of my driving needs, For the occasional long trip I just swap with my wife and use her 2017 Chevy Volt. It's a perfect arrangement for my family.

[@-zhongsir6259]

谢谢分享

[@frankcoffey]

This is great information, that’s what should be on the window sticker.

[@ruthwik081]

You don't need to hypermile, you just need to anticipate the traffic be more alert and easily beat the estimates

[@kevinhickman50]

Pretty curious. My 19 Bolt gets 4.5 miles per kwh on the original battery in mild weather with no hypermiling, plus has none of tesla parasitic drain.

[@timber8403]

That’s pretty much what I get from my 2020 Bolt EV . I find using the AC makes very little difference to that figure.

[@CooperateMind]

The most important question all EV buyers should know!

[@toronado455]

HUMMER 😂 still the guzzler

[@staycurious3954]

I see what u did there 🤣

[@stephendoherty8291]

Will be interesting to see the power efficiency of the f150 EV

[@bernhardzinkhofer4886]

“Every Tesla we tested failed to meet its EPA range” Edmunds Jan 2021 “we continue to see that a trend that Tesla fails to meet its EPA range..” Tom Mologhney insideEVs

[@nc3826]

Yep, since EPA allows a few variations in how to calculate the range and mileage figures. And of course Tesla uses the variations that give it the longest figures. So it is completely worthless for comparison purposes. John, should know better. SMH.... But it's not really a Tesla failure, since it is allowed by the EPA rules....

[@geoffreyplatt9251]

Robert Llewelyn of The Fully Charged show says that his Model 3 gets in the “high 4’s” in other words, over 4.5 miles per kWh.

[@nc3826]

FC is brit a channel.... that was making anecdotal comments.... that is relevant to this supposed EPA comparison

[@scottokeefe]

No mention of the BMW i3 ,I get 4.1 to 4.2 without even trying I know the car is no longer being sold in the US but there’s a few of them out there and most of my other owners are reporting similar mileage.

[@stevefoster6047]

I suspect it wasn't mentioned because it's no longer for sale.

[@whatchuwant77]

YES YES YES! Thanks John for applying common sense to this rating. Hopefully car manufacturers will take your approach. Curious how PHEV's compare to this since they carry a smaller battery, even with the ICE weighing less than a big battery pack such as the Volt, RAV4 prime, Volvo's, etc. I personally think Plug-ins are the way to go for now.

[@petergarton9491]

What is your thoughts regarding the rumours that Lucid has a larger battery then stated and therefore isn’t that effective?

[@stevefoster6047]

The EPA mileage ratings are based on how much energy was required to drive a set distance and therefore have nothing to do with battery size.

[@petergarton9491]

@@stevefoster6047 Aah ok, I didn’t know that. Thanks for the info! 👍

[@mikesamyn7054]

How about the Tesla dual motor extended range Model Y ???

[@DetroitBORG]

EPA Rated Range and real world range are not the same however.

[@dmitchellhomes]

EPA ratings are not the best way to judge efficiency, everyone knows Tesla numbers are stretched and Porsche Taycan numbers vastly understated. No matter what scale you use though Hummer Ev is the least efficient... haha!

[@dansanger5340]

Real world, I think the Lucid Air is on top, because they actually meet the EPA numbers in real world, 70 MPH highway range tests, which is what people care most about. Tesla and most other EVs usually come up short to varying degrees.

[@nc3826]

Correct, since the EPA allows a few variations in how to calculate the range and mileage figures. And of course Tesla uses the variations that give it the longest figures. So it is completely worthless for comparison purposes. But you're wrong about that "most other EVs usually come up short to varying degrees" most surpass them for example check out the Taycan.

[@danielnicholls6868]

who has the most efficient regenerative braking? for more stop and go driving

[@dmitchellhomes]

HummerEV has the strongest regen in kW

[@danielnicholls6868]

@@dmitchellhomes yes the more weight to stop will give you the most regen to get going again

[@dmitchellhomes]

@@danielnicholls6868 yeah, the Hummer also seems to stop faster with only region breaking, with .4 G from highway speed. Most other EV‘s are substantially less than this

[@ronnestman4696]

J-Mac is a national treasure!

[@danieljimenez4087]

how many kWh are in a gallon of gas?

[@chipspaulding1371]

You left off Tesla M3 and Model Y AWD long range. The most popular electric cars sold! They come in at 251 Wh/Mi and 270 Wh/Mi respectively or Number 2 and 5 most efficient cars made. How could you miss those?

[@staycurious3954]

Thanks! Exactly what I thought. John up to his old Leprechaun tricks again in slanting the stats to knock Tesla down a peg. FUD.

[@nc3826]

EPA allows a few variations in how to calculate the range and mileage figures. And of course Tesla uses the variations that give it the longest figures. So it is completely worthless for comparison purposes.

[@chipspaulding1371]

@@nc3826 Everyone uses the variations that give the best face for their product. So not completely worthless. All EV are head and shoulders over ICE. And Tesla is in the lead

[@nc3826]

​@@chipspaulding1371 wrong again, for example Porsche used the more conservative standard calculation methods and then voluntarily reduced it by 10% for the Taycan... so it is pointless to compare it to Tesla's inflated figures... just do the calculations for Lucid or check out channels, who know how to do the math correctly... Lucid is clearly the leader now.... have fun avoiding reality, my fanboi friend...

[@trainman9119]

Way to go Chevrolet Bolt! You’re on fire. No pun intended.😀

[@FrankGastelum]

You forgot the Mini electric. I’m getting 4.0 mi per kWh in default mode.

[@mp3lwgm]

I believe the Ford Lightning is at 1.96 mi/kWh

[@hereigoagain5050]

I like the European method better. It is easier to determine how far you will go, and you can take simple averages instead of harmonic means when computing fleet efficiency.

[@stephendoherty8291]

The kia has a more efficient shape or drag coefficient

[@johnasbury7511]

The European automakers are known for their good gas mileage how about their electron mileage can you do a feature on those

[@freddiecarr7602]

Car & Driver publishes those stupid fake ratings when they test at 75 mph and the teslas don't come close to the EPA. Thank you for using numbers provided by the manufacturers who we can trust

[@staycurious3954]

Whoa cowboy, what did the Tesla 4 wheel drive get?

[@stevefoster6047]

Mine gets 4.03 mi/kWh lifetime average.

[@richardt6980]

why didnt they compare all evs to see which is the most efficient. not just the ones in the us. i can guess why

[@RichardYancey]

Shirt works, A++

[@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669]

Chinese BEVS are MIA in North America , except for Volvo/ Polestar brands, they sure can't come soon enough, when they do , WATCH OUT!

[@EnmandsBand1]

4 miles/kWh, that's cute... my Hyundai Ioniq easily does 5.5 - 6 miles/kWh in the summer!

[@alanrickett2537]

Lie of the day GM engineered the bolt drive chain it's well known that LG did the whole drive chain.

[@chuckgrenci6404]

Yeah, and they also caused the fires; pick your poison.

[@patriot2314]

It's drive train not drive chain..and LG did the batteries

[@alanrickett2537]

@@patriot2314 phone typing and they did battery, BMS, motor, motor controller, changing system and wiring for the above so in my veiw the whole of the important stuff in the car.

[@nc3826]

YT wannabe expert and his drive chain LMAO

[@alanrickett2537]

@@nc3826 no expert claim made I was quoting GMs own Press Release when talking about the development of the bolt, go look it up.

[@davedyer3654]

Lucid will never be a mass market car however efficient it is, cost prohibitive

[@Agent77X]

Tesla has not release the Tesla 4680 battery in their vehicles built in 2021! They are just having the 4680 batteries in the next month! LOL! 😁

[@krishna7862]

What about Chinese models?

[@vmendez944]

Wow...I average 5 miles per kWH on my 2016 Kia Soul EV

[@RonnieLeeDuck]

Problem with this whole analysis is that every reviewer who does range tests of Teslas say that Tesla uniquely falls short of their EPA numbers. Virtually every other EV maker more or less matches or even far exceeds the EPA range. It's not that Tesla is cheating. Apparently they elect a method to arrive at an EPA numbers (a method the EPA approves), while everyone else uses a different method. It is pretty clear the Lucid is pound for pound more efficient than any Tesla vehicle.

[@Abebe345]

It also will depend on how aggressively one drives, and Teslas as performance vehicles are usually driven aggressively.

[@nc3826]

Lucid Air tends to driven as aggressive.... look at its performance figures... but that has nothing to do with EPA figures anyway...

[@Abebe345]

@@nc3826 Definitely long range car. Though its fast, the test drives I have seen stress it's set up more for luxurious cruising than zipping around.

[@nc3826]

@@Abebe345 thats true for the touring version but there is a performance version too... and they both are more luxurious than any Tesla... also since Tesla's EPA figures are never close to what ppl get in the real world... it really does not matter... since Tesla uses different versions of the test than most EV makers use...

[@Abebe345]

@@nc3826 the reality is that people don't have range anxiety with Teslas and drive them as they will. They also have a great charging network. For the price of a Lucid you can buy Model S and Y. The Lucid is a nice care, but luxury is higher with European brands at that level price. Lucid is targeting American Luxury buyers; Bentley, RR, Merc S class, EQS buyers. I think they'll carve out a niche as people want to be different.

[@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669]

I think John McElroy has become as Tesla fanboy...AD fans and Petrolheads must be pulling out their hair🤯.LOL🤣

[@anthonyonwuna2289]

Jaguar i pace does more at 2.7

If you're going on a journey it's going to be x miles away not x gallons away.

[@adrianbargen9727]

Where is the Niro?

[@fullyelectric]

The EPA rating is BS .. real world the Model 3 is not the best .. and only real world efficiency count .. Tesla also uses five cycle efficiency test so it’s not comparable to nobody else what’s the point you should know better now you guys keep going down and down the rabbit hole

[@randolphtorres4172]

OK JOHN I want a third party proof of those numbers. But more importantly to me are third party reverse engineering by Sandy Munro when each of those cars has been studied by Sandy and his reports have been released then they can all be accurately and honestly compared. So far in every important category like engineering, Safety, Battery Technology, handling ( the ability to tune the suspension for your specific needs) innovation, Insurance Sales demand ( you can’t fool everyone) most importantly Tesla does not practice PLANNED OBSOLESCENCE where all the other Legacy motor companies do. In each of these categories Tesla is continuously pushing the envelope keeping and retaining their lead.

[@bobbbobb4663]

Speaking of obsolescence, go try to find oem parts for the original Tesla roadster. Meanwhile, I can buy oem parts for my 1979 Mercedes 240D at the dealer.

[@dmitchellhomes]

InsideEv does 70 mph range tests than more accurately give real wold range, Tesla always comes up 12-15% short, meanwhile Porsche Taycan will beat the EPA rating by more then 25%. Lucid nearly matched their EPA rating, 500 miles on a 520 mile rated car.

[@randolphtorres4172]

@@bobbbobb4663 I know 200$ for an air filter

[@techups3082]

EPA cycle is exploitable and Tesla exploits it the most... so this is worthless comparison. I'd rather use Real life range numbers (and use the battery capacity) from review sites like Edmunds

[@kenneth.topp.]

My phone tells me who is using the batteries. Screen, network, and which apps. None of these ratings for cars really matters if when you use the HVAC system or entertainment system it blows the consumption up. I'm sure the car manufactures have detailed stats, but 3rd party range tests should be under conditions that exercise all functions of the car including heating cooling and entertainment.

[@corruption1724]

EV's aren't any better that gas cars. Thermal efficiency of a coal/natural gas burning power plant is 30-36%. Thermal efficiency of a gasoline engine 33%. There's no difference, I mean did we defy physics because it doesn't matter where you relocate the burning of fuel to, we are still only able to convert it to roughly 30-36% useful energy. EV's are only as efficient as the power plant period end of debate.

[@Tware8100]

I think an ICE vehicle that gets above 22 MPG is more efficient than the new HUMMER EV. That thing is wicked heavy.

[@thevinceberry]

@Retrorocket Sounds like even if gas are at average regular price, it is still more expensive to run than an EV

[@Tware8100]

@@thevinceberry Engineering Explained just did a dive into the Hummer EV. Give his episode a watch to see just how the Hummer stacks up.

[@nc3826]

@@Tware8100 Jason is not god.... the 22 MPG figure is based on an apple vs oranges comparison that is pointless in the real world......

[@dmitchellhomes]

No trucks that have 1000 HP get anywhere near 22 mpg... so, there is that... Ram TRX has 700HP and gets 10 mpg

[@nc3826]

John, EPA allows a few variations in how to calculate the range and mileage figures. And of course Tesla uses the variations that give it the longest figures. So it is completely worthless for comparison purposes. John, you should know better. SMH....

[@ubuu7]

Kia ev6 wins! Prettiest > most efficient

[@razvanmarian6390]