Biden Considers Preemptive Pardons for Likely Trump Targets

[@stephaniebart-horvath1382]

I’m a Democrat. I DO NOT want to see the party moving in the direction of becoming the old GOP. I think we would appeal to many more people if we wouldn’t worry about appealing to people who weren’t inclined to support us, and move further to the left. We need to focus on the left leaning values of our party: Medicare for all, good and affordable healthcare for all, eliminating hunger and homelessness, recreating a stellar educational system, and perhaps a universal wage.

[@jubelraye3782]

Ironically, The Democratic Party is now home to the Cheney’s, let that sink in.

[@andreapoulieva6717]

In my opinion, the Democrats need a strong socialist message, but without calling it socialism, which many people simply don't understand, are scared of etc. But I don't see Americans rejecting affordable (or free) healthcare, education, childcare, affordable public housing and public transportation. Just call it something else 😅

[@fromearth6282]

Yup, keep focusing on shit that cant ever happen. Love it, keep it up!

[@andreapoulieva6717]

@fromearth6282 why can't it ever happen though ?

[@jkap34]

​@@fromearth6282it's not a pipe dream, we are one of the most powerful countries in the world that DOESN'T have universal health care

[@BWSC81]

Billions spent on ads while people struggling to pay medical bills, gotta love the results of decades of right wing policy.

[@CyndeLooWho]

Fascinating! But, Republicans weren’t the ones spending like drunken sailors, bro 😊

[@BWSC81]

@@CyndeLooWho Fascinating! Why do you think politicians can spend billions, girl ☺

[@daniellove162]

@@BWSC81- the last 3 presidential elections, Democrats out-raised and outspent republicans. In fact Democrats win more of the WEALTHIEST counties in the US than republicans.

[@isocarboxazid]

@@BWSC81 How much of that money do you think would otherwise be going to medical bills? Let me help you: ZERO dollars.

[@BWSC81]

@@isocarboxazid Wha? Where would it go and why? (I think you are making my point.)

[@masonstove]

“WhY dId wE lOsEee”. Proceeds to double down on the stuff that lost them the election.

[@javiersaugar376]

That's the beautiful part, these schmucks never learn. They talk one week about having to really reflect on what led to defeat and the next they're back to where they started

[@brianonthewater]

It’s so funny it’s like they never wanna win another national election ever again and I am here for it

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

@@javiersaugar376 Maybe they smoke too much weed?

[@duane_313]

John saying he’s never heard of Tubi before today just shows how detached they are from everyday voters fr I would say that’s the streaming app that most everyday non political young people of color (black!) watch.

[@albertomacias7159]

Democratics won't see the presidency for the next 20 years

[@ggcruise]

No no no. Make Trump and his henchmen take people to court. Let them demonstrate how truly awful they are. If you pardon people preemptively, you make them look guilty and you allow Trump to say "I would have never done xyz" and there is no way to prove him wrong. Support the folks unfairly targeted financially, legally, and loudly with your words. Do NOT do Trump's dirty work for him.

[@Qrowbar93]

When will people like you learn... Republicans will break ANY rule they can get away with REGARDLESS of whether we cling to this "moral high ground" or not. We have nothing to lose with them, if they don't justify their pardons with this it'll just be something else they make up or blow out of proportion (e.g. making Kamala Harris out to be a trans zealot).

[@PamelaMcGuire]

However look how much it will cost them $$ to combat false allegations.

[@shaneshoemaker2564]

Oh the irony of you guys being afraid of law-fare

[@macksmith2893]

@@PamelaMcGuire yeah true but we can't make trumps muckraking easy. A pardon allows trump to SAY we are just as guilty and corrupt as he is

[@anthony-7489]

@@shaneshoemaker2564 you mean concerned about a wannabe dictator . Democrats are the party of law and order

[@kimberlynoble5823]

Money needs to be taken out of politics. The money wasted on campaigns is sickening. All campaign “ads” and info should go through PBS and NPR. and campaigns should last 10” days. Not 4 years. How much work do politicians achieve if they start campaigning once they are elected? If they got things done, people would note the work and vote for them again. It’s just a gross business and it turns people off.

[@marietellez6021]

Go tell that to Trump , the felon!

[@bhavpat514]

Then people like these guys on the podcast and their guests would have no jobs

[@neilchace1858]

"All info should go through PBS and NPR"? Talk about a terrible, authoritarian idea! I have nothing against PBS or NPR, but saying political information can only go through them is a gross abuse of power that completely upends one of the foundational freedoms in the United States constitution, freedom of the press.

[@easterslice]

Biden got a lot of things done. For example, the infrastructure bill that put thousands of people to work, and shored up badly needed public structures, especially roads and bridges. He managed us through a health crisis, the likes of which we hadn't seen since, as Trump himself put it, "1918." He passed a child tax credit, cutting taxes up to $3,000 for families with child or dependent family members. He passed the PACT act, which allowed veterans to access healthcare for conditions caused by exposure to toxic substances during their service. He rejoined the Paris Climate accord, and signed the Respect for Marriage Act, which meant federation recognition for same-sex marriages. ' None of which seemed to matter to the voters. They did not seem to note these things, even though the roads in their area are being fixed. (I notice this, mainly with annoyance at the proliferation of construction crews, but I realize that it's making our lives better). Nor did they seem to notice that more of them (or their neighbors) were working. That more factories have reopened in the US. That their children (and their neighbors' children) are a little better fed than they were four years ago. That less of us need to wear masks in public. But I agree with you about the grossness of political ads.

[@iyamwhatiyam547]

90 days wasn't enough time for folks to 'feel' comfortable voting for the qualified experienced NON RAPIST candidate. 10 days? What developed country runs a leadership candidacy on that timeline? I like your idea on only running ads on public TV and capping campaign cost.

[@seluhir8820]

AoC is the best orator in the government. When she speaks, you know what she means and where she's coming from. Always.

[@CyndeLooWho]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@seluhir8820]

@@CyndeLooWho I always appreciate when a person's comment is so stupid that KZbin suggests I 'translate it to English'.

[@CR-hq1uz]

We don't need any more goddamn articles in the Bulwark. Y'all still just don't get it. Unbelievable.

[@russanloke]

Not only pardoning makes them look guilty, people are gonna see that when is THEIR asses on the line, they sure get creative to save themselves, but when is their job to protect the people, well, there's norms, there's rules, its difficult...

[@acaciastevens2662]

Excellent point

[@bobbysinger4053]

It doesn't make them guilty it's an admission of guilt period. These people are trying to redefine what a pardon actually is.

[@CR-hq1uz]

These bros are so out of touch and increasingly defensive and insecure about how out of touch they are.

[@erc9468]

Yeah - imagine going on about “invented crimes” while supporting what Letitia James did to Trump.

[@mkhedart0mt0avari]

Imagine defending a corrupt billionaire who committed clear, demonstrated fraud and then thinking you have any grounds to accuse other people of being “out of touch”

[@shinnyshin7792]

@@mkhedart0mt0avari Imagine reading what you just wrote into the unrelated comment you responded to and thinking you have any grounds to accuse other people of being "out of touch".

[@Mer179]

The grifter is now selling cologne. What a sleazy grifter. Americans will find out soon enough you all lost the election. The rest of the free world will not forget.

[@game-devin]

@@mkhedart0mt0avari Nothing about this comment is defending trump

[@marymcsweeny8488]

Issuing blanket pardons will have no effect on what Trump will do. Trump will do whatever he wants, and whatever he plans, regardless of what Biden does.

[@ReadMoreHistory-v9u]

100 percent too

[@tyroga]

You’re right, if he goes full Putin a pardon doesn’t stop you “accidentally” falling out of a high-rise window.

[@kennethkanagaki]

See Ralph Nader's Book: "Let's Start the Revolution: Tools for displacing the Corporate State and Building a Country that works for the People". The first several pages of the book serve as an insightful critique of the pathetic mindset of the Democratic Party. Approaches & tools & talking points he provides to top ranking Dems are totally ignored resulting in predictable loss of the party's base.

[@emilybarner3440]

Are we taking Ralph Nader, man who enabled the USA to tip towards George W Bush in 2000, to dictate the narrative now????? bewildering

[@Redstapleryadayada37]

And how many presidential elections did Ralph Nader win with his talking points? Ah yes, zero

[@raincadeify]

@@Redstapleryadayada37 You're really missing the point. Losing an election does not mean you aren't insightful. Donald Trump has now won two elections and he's a felon and a rapist and has bragged about both those things. Obviously, if a court can say a President can be criminal and also not prosecutable, that's not a problem with Ralph Nadar. The institutions are crumbling.

[@hocutmeo3318]

​@@Redstapleryadayada37 Many voters are so smart that they didn't want to consider options. LOL. No wonder Trump said _"I love the _*_poorly educated_*_ "_

[@titaniumteddybear]

One reason why college graduates have a more favourable opinion about institutions is because institutions operate in ways that are more favourable to the wealthy. And in the US you don't get to go to college unless you're reasonably rich, at least compared to the people on the bottom. The take away should be that if Democrats want to get elected they need to make it easier for people to go college.

[@SharronHeath]

Absolutely not true. I went to college completely with grants and loans and work study. Many of my friends did. We have more than paid it back in service and taxes with our income levels.

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

I don't think making more people go to college is the solution, we need reform in colleges. They indoctrinate, for STEM they're still worth it but even then. Universities have literal 'disinformation' research teams trying to censor regular Americans. Academia has been twisted, it's not the solution, college (as is) is NOT the solution, it's part of the problem.

[@mandcbruce]

I'm a once poor kid who paid her way by waiting tables, bartending, etc. I graduated with student loan debt. My husband & I starting saving as soon as our kids were born bc I wouldn't want anyone to have to do what I did.

[@rochellebrunot2887]

Jon not knowing about Tubi just illustrates we really do live in 2 Americas lol

[@weplaydk2343]

Lmao fr fr. I didn't realize how privileged they were, however I'm new around these parts. Like post election new

[@mattlarkin4701]

Is tubi some bastion of populist streaming or something? I’m broke and I don’t know what it is lol

[@71SanClare]

He's paid not to know about stuff that poor people use

[@wurdnurd1]

Tubi is free TV with ads. Similar to Pluto, which SLAMMED me with Trump ads during the past several months.

[@naylas3908]

@@weplaydk2343, what a ridiculous comment.

[@raienbrasa]

Jim: "Trump has never been about retribution" Trump: "I am your retribution" Def the way it should have been cut at 2:20

[@brendondowdy5651]

However when he was in office he actually went after nobody. Meanwhile the left went after the right.

[@anthill1510]

This! I remember him literally saying that. He ran on grievance and retrubution, it`s his whole schtick, implict and explicit.

[@alioubah4742]

u people suck at interpretating Trumps words...

[@thomthom6268]

@@alioubah4742 "I am your retribution." Tfg many times in 2023 and 2024. Last I saw in a quick seatch was Oct 24... followed by "against women". I believe my eyes and ears.

[@437765513]

I hope you cried on 11.5

[@MDK384]

pre-emptive pardons would look massively corrupt. you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise. it would also basically confirm guilt in people's minds

[@pastelle_music]

Surprise: they really are incredibly corrupt.

[@Bella-po2re]

BULL !!!, nothing the Democratics do is corrupt. Not after the stench that has become the norm. What the Fuck is this Double Standard about. What the Democrats need to do is stop talking about Win, Win, every 5 minutes. It's not the word, ' Win '. It's what, are you guys going to do for the uplifting of the oppressed. That's what voters want to be assured of. Why both parties are in and out of office but the rich is always maintaining status. The laws need to stop corruption and outright theft from the White collar criminals. There is no proper information given to working people when they get ripped off. Even when they hire a lawyer. When the White collar criminals rip off thousands of dollars from trusting and ignorant people, their lawyer get a judgment in court for them but they can never collect. The sheriff can't find assets but these criminals live in the Hamptons. The Lawyer never suggest to these ignorant people that they should contact the DA's office. Who will give the disadvantage a chance. That's what winning should be about.

[@NarrowShouldersOpenMind]

Especially for people like Fauci who have reputations hanging by a thread.

[@mvhughes4271]

Only if you're deaf, dumb and blind to what's going on.

[@irishspagetti6565]

I don't understand, how can someone not even convicted of crime be pardoned and how does this protect someone from future prosecution

[@naylas3908]

Basically, they give a pardon for everything they ‘may’ have done up until the start of Trump’s new term, so it’s not worth it for Republicans to start ridiculous investigations based on invented accusations.

[@acaciastevens2662]

It doesn't. This is a stupid discussion that helps no one.

[@wyskass861]

Ya, not only not convicted but not even charged.. What do they write on the document?

[@steveb796]

Preemptive pardons.

[@acaciastevens2662]

@@steveb796 which is a very stupid idea for a lot of reasons

[@SunFlower-xr2ov]

I'm 70 and I watch Tubi. I cut cable and went looking for free sites. You are too rich to understand the people without a lot of money.

[@RocknRollKantine]

OMG it's hard to say goodbye to your county. I give up on the US for now. I was fascinated by music, art and literature and life. I majored in American Studies here in Germany and I've been watching and reading and listening and traveling for over a decade now. But I won't come back to the US. It breaks my heart, but it's better for my mental health. Hang in there, you're doing an amazing job.

[@jasonsmith373]

What about non-violent federal drug offenders? Nevermind...not elite enough.

[@mattlarkin4701]

Biden has in fact pardoned thousands of people convicted of nonviolent federal drug crimes. This information is easy to access on google with 10 seconds of research.

[@mattlarkin4701]

Biden has already pardoned many of them, likely will pardon many more over the next few weeks

[@user-jy8zb2wc8l]

It only takes a 30 second Google to know that Biden did do that... in April... and last December....

[@iyamwhatiyam547]

Bidens folks said they are building a list. If you have one email it to the office of the President, publish it on social media, call your reps.

[@ThePlockets]

To my knowledge, Biden was the first president to issue any kind of mass pardon for drug offenses. Even though it was limited to simple cases involving possession/use of marijuana, it was at least significant progress.

[@JWinHD]

The preemptive pardons are a really bad idea. In addition to the cons you discussed of the perceptions that accepting the pardon would be an admission of guilt, there are other risks. Since none of these people have actually done anything wrong, the pardon would have to be VERY broad, and if there were ever some future wrongdoing revealed by ANY of those pardoned (like tax fraud, for instance), the pardons would look really, really bad. On the other hand, if the pardons are not broad enough, and probably even if they’re overly broad, it wouldn’t stop Kash Patel (or whoever) ordering the FBI to investigate people, deeply compromising their privacy even if charges are never ultimately brought. The process is the punishment. Lastly, the courts still work: you still need to go to a grand jury for indictments, and you still need to convince a jury to convict. Now, a lot of money and time could be ‘wasted’ on defending yourself against even the most baseless claims. That means the solution is to let Trump attempt his prosecutions (because he will anyway) and come to the defense, legally and monetarily, of Trumps’ targets.

[@titaniumteddybear]

If Biden does issue a statement about the pardons then he needs to use video footage of Trump and Patel saying that they're going to prosecute people, as part of his speech. The viewers need to see, immediately, that he is not over-reacting. I know that presidential speeches tend to eschew "multimedia". But, given that we have high definition video recordings of these bad actors saying they're planning to act badly, perhaps it's time to get past that.

[@GML_123.]

The problem with that is the Republicans can just counter that with folks on the left that said they were going to go after Trump And he belong in jail even prior to January 6.

[@tuckernoyes7371]

Disagree, people are going to see videos of Trump and Patel saying they are going to prosecute criminals (which is a lie), and then see Joe Biden pardon them before they go to trial, it will confirm Trumps narrative. Trump has lost in the courts time and time again, let them go to court and let the public see the lack of evidence. The dems should be focused on shoring up the courts.

[@anthill1510]

"I am your retribution". Didn`t Trump literally say that? He ran on retribution, find that footage!

[@donaldvonglitchenberger4108]

god forbid politicians get prosecuted 😂😂😂

[@donaldvonglitchenberger4108]

Letisha James and Alvin Bragg both campaigned on going after trump. The videos are all over youtube. Not hard to find 😂😂😂

[@veramentegina]

also young ones have fight in them. Look at AOC, Jasmine, Mosqowitz etc.. We need that kind of temperament.

[@KateSeide]

The convo re: republicans using free tv apps was so defensive. Why can't we own "yeah, seems like that strategy worked. we learned something - too late". We have to acknowledge that door to door probably doesn't work anymore, and that tapping into more weird ass channels might be what matters.

[@emmakane6848]

Grassroots organizing definitely works in smaller elections and could be argued as the reason why democrats in swing states outperformed Harris. It just doesn’t work for national level politics and Presidential elections.

[@acaciastevens2662]

Agreed about the defensiveness, though I don't think we should give up on field. I think it's more that door-to-door doesn't work if your brand is shit because you haven't adapted to our current media environment.

[@threegunterry]

Not knowing about Tubi, or not spending money on Tubi are signs of being out of touch. I bet the Harris campaign didn’t do it because they didn’t think suburban moms had it because it’s free.

[@krystleklearcentral]

The only downside I see is giving a blanket pardon for someone who, it turns out, actually did commit a crime. Like say, some random DOJ person worked with Smith and got a pardon because of that, but maybe they took their frustrations out with violence on their family. The admin needs to be very VERY careful, that they do background checks on everyone they give a pardon to, or exclude violent crimes or something.

[@CyndeLooWho]

That sounds oddly specific. Nothing like beating your wife “because Trump!”

[@lifes3ps]

you guys act like "the blue wall" was hard to get for the dems. it literally was called the blue wall because it was easy before trump.

[@TooEasilyAmused]

No, the way we get back into power is to actually see and hear what "We the People" want.

[@TooEasilyAmused]

After thought, We the People have the power, we just don't use it.

[@wyskass861]

The Democrats would rather appeal to Republicans than their own bases preferences. Republicans go right to energize their voters and Democrats chase the mythical and random swing voter. They lose and keep blaming the left.

[@delta5297]

The problem is that people don't know what they want.

[@wyskass861]

@@delta5297 True.. They are told what they should want. Trump's methods are a good example of this. Amplify prejudices and ignorances, confirm bias and invent problems and their simplistic solutions. The media seeks the same because views and appeal come from confirmation and sensationalism not education.

[@cathyhirsch7490]

75 million people voted for Kamala Harris. Are those 75 million not ‘We the People’ too?

[@AnnTournoux]

I vote in every election. I live in the big red state of Ohio. I am aware of the electoral college but what I don’t understand is why the people running for President don’t care to even come to my state and try to turn this state ( or any red state ) around. It makes it hard to have the thrill of voting or give us a reason to vote knowing it doesn’t matter and that that’s ok with the candidate. They never even came to campaign here. Only going to the 5 main states

[@Weemadaggie]

the process is the punishment. It will wreck the people targeted financially.

[@dianatortolini7842]

I live in the solid blue state of Massachusetts. Unless there's a highly contested presidential primary that goes late into the calendar, no one comes here either. Campaigns put resources where they think they can be used best. Reliable red and blue states don't count.

[@evanwilliams4532]

Are you guys scared Trump might weaponize the DOJ like Biden did? Hey if you didn't do anything illegal, why would you need a pardon? Amirite?! Biden said HIS DOJ was political. So now Trump & Biden are lying about the DOJ being political

[@Fayegina]

All 50 states became more red the last election. Not even 1 state became more blue.

[@lisawall9068]

“Donald Trump has never been about retribution.” I’m surprised that Jim Jordan’s pants didn’t light on fire!

[@brainchildguru]

Trump was specifically asked if he was going to after his opponents and he said the best revenge is to do a great job with the economy and country overall.

[@forphxsake2024]

@@brainchildguru Yeah, that was backpedaling and clean up for some audiences after his frequent calls for revenge and retribution. Check out some of his rally speeches. Nice try though.

[@brainchildguru]

@@forphxsake2024 I watched probably 20 rallies this year. If I thought he was some raging dangerous psycho, then why the hell would I vote for him? I actually voted for Biden in 2020, I had TDS. Luckily I snapped out of it and realized I was brainwashed. I started actually watching him speak instead of listen to whatever CNN or Reddit completely lie and manipulate his words and that’s what made me realize I didn’t know the real Trump. Trust me, life is so much better on this side. It’s the side of truth. You think reality is in the world the mainstream media has created for us? That’s a facade. If you only knew how closely they all work together to keep the narrative going. And it’s not just Democrats. Republicans are shitty in their own ways. John Fetterman seems to be pretty reasonable. Trump is an interesting person. He talks and thinks differently, especially compared to past presidents. But he’s not an evil man. I believe he truly wants the best for the American middle class.

[@lynnhettrick7588]

We (Gen X) cut the cord about 12 years ago. We don’t really have live TV. My Gen Z son watches 95% KZbin, 5% streaming services (Netflix, HBO, etc.) I know about Tubi, but haven’t tried it.

[@brainchildguru]

Never heard of it

[@Berry_N]

And we could have had Katie Porter instead of Schiff. Schiff was one if the ones talking about what a threat trump is. He clearly is a threat and people should be protected. Lots of people should be protected.

[@lisica8458]

Schiff is far more substantive than Porter. Porter is very intelligent, but her propensity to indulge in political theater to get attention has always struck me as childish and was one of the reasons I voted for Schiff.

[@tanabhensley]

NO WE KNOW THEY ARE ALL GUILTY!

[@GrantDolanMusic]

It’s wrong to think that better ads would make the difference. It’s about message. And we didn’t have it this time.

[@shinnyshin7792]

Message and messenger. Same issue that almost sunk us in 20, sunk us in 16, almost sunk us in 08, sunk us in 04, and put us in a position to get sunk in 2k. We have serious unexamined flaws in how we're trying to win elections.

[@Chudchannel3]

It’s about doing the right things and not being absolutely corrupt and full of shit like the party currently is. Also maybe not governing like bush era republicans

[@ThePlockets]

It's probably wrong to think the election was winnable with any type of ad or message. The entire globe witnessed the strongest rejection of the parties in power in roughly a century, and the Dems were simply the party in power. Biden winning in 2020 was probably the greater anomaly.

[@paulhenry8174]

I don’t think it was Trump winning them over so much as the Democratic Party letting them go. Healthcare seems like a big issue that was ignored. Turns out life and death decisions made for abusive financial reasons is an important issue to voters on both sides. Too bad it didn’t come up in a Presidential election.

[@Chudchannel3]

Especially when you look at how much Obama fucked up the healthcare system. Corrupt ass sold it to the insurance companies

[@Ember-Rayne]

11:21 he literally already did that on 1/6? He told them to commit crimes, failed to pardon them and told them he'll do it if they elect him again. Our system is broken, guys. Norms and trust lost 11/5. Now it's bare knuckle boxing. Leggo.

[@CyndeLooWho]

Ahhh this is such fun to watch. People just losing their minds.

[@michellestaton7047]

F what Trump thinks. He's already made threats

[@Chudchannel3]

Not about Trump it’s about the people who already have a bad taste in their mouth about democrats over Covid

[@sleepykitty1985]

@@Chudchannel3 They would have their sense of taste if they'd bothered to get vaxxed.

[@skillcoiler]

@@Chudchannel3 Stupid people? Who cares what they think? They are stupid and will be stupid regardless of what the topic is.....

[@Ev1lHaX0r]

Aren’t you acknowledging guilt when you accept a pardon?

[@pok3rfacReturns]

No, you're not. Being targeted and wrongfully convicted and then being pardoned is not an admission of guilt.

[@heavyartillery-qm5hu]

@@pok3rfacReturns cope

[@pattmc5105]

Yes. That was successfully argued by Gerald Ford when he pardoned Richard Nixon: That the acceptance of the pardon was an acknowledgment of guilt, using the Supreme Court case Burdick v. United States as an explanation.

[@Cackletoe]

Yes

[@Cackletoe]

They know they are guilty of crimes, why else would you need a pardon, hunter is get it but why all these people, is it projecting that they are guilty

[@annao4858]

In 2008, Indiana went Blue. In 2012 it flipped back Red, but elected a Democratic Senator. However the National Party was no where to be found. Indiana has continued to go farther and farther Red. What if the Democrats had stuck around from 09 onward? We can ask the same question with so many states. The infrastructure has to be there in some form in every state.

[@119Agent]

Pre-election: Pardons destroy democracy! Post-election: Pardons protect democracy! Everyone is running for the hills now that Trump is coming back. They really did not think he would get re-elected.

[@marietellez6021]

Trump is unfit for office

[@theomegajuice8660]

No one has every said this. Pardons are good when they are for people who are innocent of the crime they are accused of, when the penalty for something they did is exorbitant or when they are being unjustly saddled with trumped up charges. Pardons are bad when they help people escape accountability or prevent the truth coming out. The same thing has always been true and the pardon power has always had the same central problem that there are no formal limitations to prevent the latter kind of pardon

[@chrispoole8630]

Bingos the game is up now. Daddy is home.

[@119Agent]

@ pardons from Trump are bad! Pardons from Biden are good! Fixed it!

[@cathyhirsch7490]

Every president issues pardons. No one claimed otherwise before or after the election.

[@Artar35]

I switched to independent this election cycle after being a lifelong democrat… why don’t you guys interview real people who didn’t vote for you if you really want to find out why she lost? Invite pro Trump people on your show… invite independents who can’t stand democrats; invite true progressives who also h8 Dems. you guys talk about talking to voters yet none of you do it

[@Fayegina]

It’s an echo chamber they’ll stay in and it will probably be why they’ll lose the next 2 to 3 elections.

[@jacksonharrison6624]

They don’t even care. This is a self aggrandizing blog at this point 💀

[@danielbarrero2815]

The donors are the problem.

[@Chudchannel3]

Not the corrupt politicians like Obama and Biden who take the money?

[@JoyBriscoe]

they do not care about corruption we have to show how all of this impacts their lives

[@AM-fs1je]

Most uninformed think "yeah, gettin back at the man."

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

@@AM-fs1je Many are informed on what kind of crap 'the man' pulls.

[@TheMonkeyworks105]

I know I have not watched cable or mainstream tv in nearly 20 years. I get all my news from youtube, reuters, reddit.

[@wyskass861]

How do you give preemptive pardons without even a charge for a specified crime? Isn't that just blanket immunity for any and all crimes? That is actually allowed?

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

Yes, and democrats are unironically defending it

[@acaciastevens2662]

Just such a terrible idea

[@mongoose1582]

You guys should talk about the UnitedHealth situation. Seems like most of America is on the same page with that issue. I wonder why?

[@CyndeLooWho]

Actually, only Democrats are celebrating the murder of a father with children.

[@ChildPerson]

Lol! Maybe its time for all things old to be new again. Im old (82) so I remember attending the "clam bakes" in the Jersey Shore...where no expense seemed spared on loads of free food and entertainment by each party. Imagine the return on investment given the billions spent! Only if "real food!" Not some commercial slop as fed to schools, nursing homes, prisons, etc! I didn't look st a single ad or flyer this past election, but still remember those clam bakes!

[@advisorywarning]

This is a great idea! We could change the food for every state/region but MORE CLAM BAKES!!!!!

[@F9FCJ429]

Ad saturation FAILS HARD: I cut the cord back in 2012, so it’s online or nothing for me. KZbin itself is the prime example. The ads are so onerous and out of touch (are we really in the midst of a stuck poop epidemic? KZbin ad servers think so.) that I finally broke down and paid for premium just to make the platform usable again. Same goes for political ads. I made my mind up *hard* January 6 2021 so all those repetitive ads and *all that spam in my message inbox* was wasted on me. Message spam, that’s a stupid idea. I donated to Act Blue. Appears they sold my info to *everyone*. That sucks out loud, guys. I ended up creating an auto delete shortcut that sent every message from a sender not in my contacts straight to delete and block hell. Now. If a yellow dog dem like me found the spam exasperating, what do you think it did to those who were wavering?

[@Weemadaggie]

firefox + adblocker. It works like a charm

[@advisorywarning]

Totally agree to everything you said, although I do actually read the campaign mailers from all parties because I want to know what they are messaging about in my area. We got Trump stuff too bc my bf used to vote Republican and they think he’s winnable I guess (he’s not). I also scan them to be aware of ballot initiatives or smaller local campaigns that I may not be as up to date on. I don’t use any cable and I mostly use KZbin premium, Netflix, and hbo. It’s 100000% worth it for me bc of the amount of time I spend on KZbin. I’m not active on social media either. I get my news through print news & Reddit and my commentary from KZbin. The email spam is truly horrendous. It’s SO over the top and ridiculous. They really need to fix that. What is a yellow dog democrat? I’ve heard of blue dog but not yellow lmao

[@christophercrawford2917]

I've had about as much as I can stand are we seriously not going to consider the decision of the Supreme Court It's already granted amnesty and complete and total power to a sitting President. When are Democrats going to Take advantage of what's already been given them in other words. Biden on your way out, do what you do.

[@RSquaredOnline]

Last time I was this early, Jon Favreau was writing Obama’s speeches on napkins.

[@wyskass861]

Congratulations.. Print yourself out a certificate.

[@Alpha23TV]

*_Them_* : “Preemptive pardons… are 100% admissions of guilt and go against the spirit of the presidential pardon.” *_Also them_* : “We are considering preemptive pardons”

[@SharronHeath]

Trumps Republican Party doesn’t give a rats ass about the spirit of anything. He intends to pardon all the 1/6 rioters. He doesn’t play by the rules. Stop assuming he will be presidential by any past standard.

[@dianatortolini7842]

No, they said the public would perceive it that way, whether it was true or not.

[@Shelora]

It was AOC’s questioning of Michael Cohen that raised the issue of Trump’s fraudulently raising and lowering property values for insurance and tax purposes.

[@EggAtix]

I don't disagree that just saying "Hey, economic populism!" isn't going to make people sprint to the voting booth, but I think the same thing applies to any voter. Its always more complex than just making a token statement about policy. But when I say that's true for everyone, I think its extra true for moderates, because they have someone else competing for them. The thing about how no one is catering to the progressive left is that if someone does, they will receive all the pent up support. Look at AOC. Look at Bernie. Imagine harnessing all of that fervor and also the normal democratic vote. I'm not sure why democrats insist on moderates being a better target than progressives.

[@mongoose1582]

As a progressive myself, my experience is that liberal democrats genuinely want nothing to do with us and don’t want our support. I’d gladly give it to them if they didn’t actively push me away with insults and condescension!

[@advisorywarning]

yup I mean… just look at how much energy was behind the Kamala campaign, especially after she picked walz for vp Compare that to the energy in the last half of the campaign after the dnc convention, when it was obvious she wasn’t going to change the Biden gaza policy & they were trying to cater to conservative dems, independents and republicans.

[@advisorywarning]

yup I mean… just look at how much energy was behind the Kamala campaign, especially after she picked walz for vp Compare that to the energy in the last half of the campaign after the dnc convention, when it was obvious she wasn’t going to change the Biden gaza policy & they were trying to cater to conservative dems, independents and republicans.

[@TerryLang-fy9jt]

The other thing to think about is how much litigation will happen, because people who are unjustly accused will fight back in court. Our whole news cycle will consist of endless lawsuits and counter lawsuits and prosecutions.Court systems will get more backlogged than they are now.

[@ReadMoreHistory-v9u]

This is a very good point

[@DebO-v9z]

This is not normal times with normal behavior.

[@Kataquan]

54:26 Oh my God, he admit it

[@martinhealey5568]

Is Mayorkas going to get a pardon?

[@Stephendoover-ho3ne]

Is there another way of protecting these people without a pardon?

[@unclegarysglobalmediaforme9351]

There is one really sad and frustrating part that we practically always end up coming back to. Are people really that STUPID?

[@KASC92]

So you guys going to cover the story about the CEO who was shot and the public's overwhelming reaction to it? or are you going to continue to be willfully ignorant about how democrats can garner authentic enthusiasm? It's so goddamn obvious. Single payer health care now! I'm waiting to see if PSA even bothers covering the story.

[@mongoose1582]

They literally roll their eyes when people mention single payer meanwhile a literal murderous assassin has higher approval ratings than Kamala just because he went after a healthcare CEO. Could it be more obvious???

[@sharondessisso8400]

Please do the Senate. The whole Dem Party is back there with the Digital Age. I say this as a 77 year old season who isn’t. It’s disgraceful that none of these people tried to keep up and now won’t get out the way for a generation who does. Whatever works and win elections. Arggg😩😡😖

[@wendysnow9803]

The problem is, there are too many ignorant voters (and too many who are simply stupid).

[@redman0027]

I get we want to call people stupid but like look at the optics here. I don't know about you but I don't trust the government very much and if I heard they were issuing blanket pardons to people in office I would assume they must be guilty of SOMETHING and everyone knows it behind closed doors. The problem here is without research or actual court cases how are people who are barely able to keep their lives together supposed to know everything related to this?

[@justingrundmann7962]

The problem is too many voters like you who don't think for themselves. Don't let people tell you your opinion, look at the facts and come up with your own.

[@Nothy-wz9rs]

The problem is, instead of trying to convince people or educate them, you call them stupid and all that really ends up doing is pushing them furthur and furthur to the other side.

[@cocoruse]

And the rest voted for Trump

[@wendysnow9803]

@@justingrundmann7962 There is quite a difference between facts and opinions.

[@CarlLaudan]

It’s a terrible idea.

[@gregtroyan]

Proof that Jon is an out of touch elitist for not hearing of Tubi. Tubi is Netflix for people who can't afford Netflix.

[@gregtroyan]

Half joking with my comment, obviously people can't be expected to hear of every streaming service and every social media website, but also yeah, Tubi is for folks who can't afford other streaming services. There's some good stuff on there, tho.

[@make_good]

I feel like they're getting less clear on what happened the further we get out from the election.

[@klaymatic3751]

Kamala really didn't haves strong message beyond slogans like the opportunity ecomoy. Furthermore, Biden was a terrible messenger and kept lurching the party right ward the further his administration went along culminating with a Chaney being paraded around. You have to give people a reason to vote beyond not being Trump, and the party failed to do so. There was an utter lack of voter enthusiasm. These consultants have a vested interest in not saying they fucked up and are making this story way more complicated than it needs to be.

[@pmzjj5]

What about the J6 committee and the witnesses who testified in the impeachment trials? Vindman? Hutchison? He also needs to pardon many, many normal people who have experienced injustice.

[@JBarker66]

HOW TF did we end up in a bad place as Dems? We were up against a literal traitor. JFC

[@katluther9678]

So much for free and faie electiond. Imagine what could happen if all the money spent on advertising was used to really help the American people.

[@robertdavidtingstrom118]

Get rid of super PACS!

[@barbarakristof4253]

If people like Liz Cheney and Jack Smith do not have blanket pardons, the newly elected House will spend 4 years investigating them. It will cost these individuals a lot of money to defend themselves--and the investigations, which will lead to nothing, will waste a lot of taxpayer money. Force the Trump people to focus on something other than retribution.

[@TunaDad]

Not retribution, accountability. They went after Trump Soviet style.

[@rdg7250]

You are literally making the case against pardons

[@Dana-pq7ke]

Trump didn't lock Hillary up. He just wants to do his job. They're a perfect team, so I don't expect them to do anything unreasonable. But they will prevent democrats and uniparty actors from using law fare against the party of the people again.

[@barbarakristof4253]

@@TunaDad Trump incited what became an insurrection: he took classified documents, did not secure them, even shared them with people who did not have security clearances,and then refused to return them; he was convicted by a jury of his peers of sexual assault. How is holding him accountable for those actions “Soviet style.”

[@barbarakristof4253]

@@rdg7250 explain please

[@jimsmith1238]

You guys are getting cringe and defending the dem establishment too much. Stop, it’s pathetic. We need you guys to spur change. Everyone needs to go. All your friends need to loss their jobs. Switching to Hassan, he’s the future since you guys are so lame

[@stanleyianieri5747]

Pardon undocumented immigrants!

[@Fayegina]

You can’t! It’s for legal American only!

[@stanleyianieri5747]

@Fayegina Do it anyway and fight it in the courts.

[@jubelraye3782]

The Democratic Party is now home to the Cheney’s, let that sink in.

[@marceloperettikuhn4764]

I’m finding the silence around the UHC CEO situation deafening on the demosphere. If you don’t look at that and find some lessons about what voters want you’re blind.

[@karend.9218]

Trump makes lawyers rich, that’s his legacy.

[@franjkav]

Is that tickle down economics?

[@zaaz1471]

not that it matters with the pardons... he'll just circumvent it by bringing charges at the state level. plenty of stooges that would be alright with that.

[@scarletsletter4466]

I doubt Trump is going to go after these ppl but you’re right that federal pardons are irrelevant if he really wanted to get them

[@brendondowdy5651]

​@@scarletsletter4466correct. If they did nothing wrong there's 0 chance Trump will lock them up or anything like that.

[@williammurray7268]

It would help to have a rationale immigration policy during the entire 4-year term and publicly work to implement it. We had no answer for the attack on Biden’s indefensible policy.

[@dianamcdavis1335]

How was Harris supposed to appeal more to centrists? That implies her policies were left leaning, which isn't accurate.

[@CyndeLooWho]

Please go back and watch Kamala’s 2019 doomed presidential campaign. That woman is anything but a centrist. Sure, she pretended to be one, but there’s too much video out there proving the opposite.

[@tedg1609]

Preemptive pardons are sleazy. Ds going low in fear of Rs going low makes me ashamed to vote D.

[@P-Weaver-u6g]

Never hearing about Tubi is funnily enough super indicative of dem elitism

[@Goldberry69]

No

[@tub5355]

​@@Goldberry69Yes

[@acaciastevens2662]

You all are really flirting with uselessness. This used to be one of my favorite podcasts but now all you do is blab on and on about elite concerns no rank-and-file voter will ever care about. The pardon discussion is pushing me over the edge. To spend all this freaking time discussing preemptive pardons for officials (stupidest concept, which only makes them look guilty, this is the dumbest idea) and not spend any time talking about positive uses of the pardon power, like granting amnesty to all of the undocumented workers in Trump's crosshairs? This is why we lost. We are led by people like you, and you truly have lost the plot as you have found influence. Shame.

[@paulhenry8174]

Excepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. There’s a good chance the wheels will be coming off the bus both domestically and internationally that Trump just might not have time to get to his retribution.

[@Donnellrawlings14]

POD save establishment

[@tod3msn]

People will be wiped out with legal bills. I would ask people like Cassidy Hutchinson and Liz Cheney if they would accept a pardon and if so give it. Believe me, federal charges are brutally expensive with legal bills and if I were Liz Or Cassidy or Adam Kinzinger I’d take a pardon.

[@claudeluster6725]

Wouldn’t less dependence on demographic segmentation and taking a more psychographic approach solve a lot of the Dems’ targeting and messaging problems?

[@barbellebracht7553]

Depressing. Signing off.

[@Alpha23TV]

lol… realest thing written

[@MP-um5pl]

Begging for pre-emptive pardons is pathetic. Its easy to be a rebel if you only want to stand behind a mic. If you really stand for freedom then stand up and pass the Nelson Mandela test.

[@ericjablonske9390]

The educational divide is representative of the income gap. The working class voted for Trump and the "professionals" voted for Kamala. If you have a college degree your income is significantly expected to be much more.

[@EggAtix]

College debt means this isn't really true anymore. Millennials with a college degree might have a higher average income, but that's more representative of a cultural emphasis on education, not necessarily because of their degree. Its not uncommon for a 20-30 something with a college degree to be 60-100k in debt, and barely earning enough to offset it.

[@ericjablonske9390]

@EggAtix I agree, I believe those numbers contribute to the climb in young voters for Trump as well.

[@TheChaChaHeels]

If Trump is pardoned by Biden it’s the last time I’ll ever vote for a democrat.

[@Qrowbar93]

It's insane any career democrats even entertain that idea..

[@julesnagbunga1204]

Biden won't even consider that!

[@anthony-7489]

The only way I see that happening is to prevent him from targeting people and seeking revenge . But I doubt he would because you can’t trust chump

[@AM-fs1je]

Biden is not going to do that. Turmp has the supreme court for that. They've already given hin immunity.

[@TheChaChaHeels]

@@julesnagbunga1204 I would hope not!

[@cd4185]

Is it just me or are these guys increasingly insufferable to listen to since the election? They just feel so wrong and milquetoast bout everything at a time when we need bold and radical ideas and analysis...

[@monkeeseemonkeedoo3745]

They won't rock the boat

[@Donnellrawlings14]

Skip the BS on pardons, it’s rich people protecting their own kind. Stop pretending it’s a party issue

[@jaymfom6963]

I do not think blanket pardons should be given! Let Trump bring these cases and the Americans will judge for themselves who they put back in the White House following collective amnesia! They will have to explain to the American people why they weaponized the system!

[@jkap34]

More than half of those who voted went for Trump. The last time a republican won the popular vote was Bush in 2004.

[@Qrowbar93]

Don't be relying on faith in justice if it's anything to do with this lawless man who has the supreme court in his pocket.

[@OldManse09]

The legal expenses might be the punishment.

[@cmorris9494]

Well the American people voted back in a guy who was impeached twice and charged with a bathroom full of crimes. The American people are more concerned with egg prices than holding people accountable for anything.

[@scarletsletter4466]

@@OldManse09I’m not sure why there’s so much misinformation about legal expenses. All Americans are entitled to public defenders if they don’t want to pay legal fees. Beyond that, there are many organizations that provide defense counsel

[@iveks-t6p]

Why does no one talk about Vindman in this pardon convo? Vindman deserves a pardon even if the preemptive pardons don’t happen. Trump is 10000% going to go after him. Pardon Vindman!!

[@alexanderh9878]

Please forgive my ignorance. Why do parties need so much money? (Recent donor).

[@eugenedanker2377]

If it's crazy that you're talking about pardons why are you still talking about pardon? Don't you have important things to talk about, like maybe all the ways Trump is planning to destroy our democracy.

[@scarletsletter4466]

So glad Buzzcut (Pfeiffer) has returned. I was afraid he’d abandoned us😢

[@YoungDemsofSpaldingCo]

I've been watching this show since 2020 and you guys suck. You're stuck up insiders. The DSA and other leftist orgs have grown tremendously over the past decade, but y'all act like it's Democrats job to associate themselves with these orgs just to then shame them for being too far left. Democrats don't "wax on poetically" about socialism (I wish they would) so why would that be the core criticism of the party? Focus on winning working class people instead of tearing down community leaders and organizers, you leftwing Limbaughs.

[@tuckernaughton]

What do you not understand about the electorate not trusting the left? They don't like socialism. We can keep telling them that they don't know what socialism is and changing our pronouns every 5 minutes and defunding the police but that's the stuff that made us lose.

[@pageljazz]

Just pardon whoever is on the Enemies List. That seems easy to rationalize. AND it might draw attention to Trump's draconian aspirations.

[@marietellez6021]

We are behind President Biden 100%

[@NancyPenaBrink]

Harris should have put millions into Black and Latino and Asian and women KZbin channels. It was a huge failure not to use those mediums.

[@natebohach1]

You are absolutely correct! Also not discounting other podcast shows that are nontraditional media because that's where the main group of that's are now. Sorry, if you run for office you're going to have to get out of your comfort zone and go on the Rogan-verse shows or even throw a bone to BTC or PSA to show that you're willing to interact with the base that is championing for you and not just old media. But to not go to more diverse mediums did nothing but limit her exposure or just showed that she didnt care.

[@advisorywarning]

@@natebohach1exactly, I know that Kamala’s husband went on PSA once and walz went on before he was vp. If Kamala was too nervous or too busy to go on more podcasts, SEND TIM WALZ!!! I have no idea why they hid him away. He was such a great asset and is so easy to talk to. It’s obvious they wanted to rein him in to appeal to more conservative dems and republicans. The way her consultants and her campaign- the old Biden people- thought about politics was SO frustrating.

[@pyeac]

The downside would be that the might actually be criminals that you are just letting off with blanket pardons for everyone. Is this not tough? Crime bad? No one in the justice department beats there wife or is a child molestor or something? We're just cool with that now?