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[@sixteenleo]

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[@oosagimami6866]

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[@theodour8617]

I LOVE YOUR FACE BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO BE MY DAD BECAUSE I FLIP MY BEAN TO YOUR FACE! I WON'T TELL MY MOM YOU LOVE HER BECAUSE...

[@m.ccheddarbox874]

I'm such a lucky big baby. That's not a sentence I ever thought I'd say.

[@Liltwilightprincess2]

When it comes to Liz calling Ed fat it was something he was constantly doing to her passive-aggressivly without consequence. Now while they do say "two wrongs don't make a right" there's another saying "don't dish out what you can't take"

[@mckennalauren]

absolutely on the nose. if he can’t handle the heat don’t be throwing it.

[@SketchUT]

People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones

[@ThaAngelMary]

You reap what you sow

[@Bl4ckD0g]

Ed is king of dishing out what he can't take. He's the first to talk about the physical issues of others, but don't dare talk about his neck because "it's a medical disorder!" Meanwhile he doesn't stop to think if the physical appearances or conditions of other people are 'medical disorders' or not. Straight up he's a terrible person and honestly deserves every insult he gets, because he doesn't have the tact to hold his own comments back.

[@shittyglasses0_]

Period

[@APMathsishard]

Big Ed is not calm. He’s using an abuse tactic. Accuse and push someone til they react and then act calm so they can say “look! Look! She’s crazy!”.

[@BigSisterNeko]

Absolutely

[@HopAndLockDropSoppityPop]

Thank you. How Leo is reacting is exactly what abusers want.

[@whatever3145]

@@HopAndLockDropSoppityPop i know. He has some issues or at the very least is extremely uneducated on domestic abuse

[@luvcherry]

@@whatever3145 sometimes he tries too hard to stay neutral and ends up giving the more toxic person more credence than they deserve

[@tamarakeinz3185]

Yep. It's called Gaslighting

[@marissamate]

Ed: "I can't marry you unless you answer all my questions" Liz: "What's the question?" Ed: "Are you a lesbian?" Liz: "No!!" Ed: "I WILL FIND OUT THE TRUTH" Smh 🤦‍♀️

[@RodrickMarsMoon]

Honestly, in her place, I would've said "yes, now go hunt jellyfish, Patrick!!!" just to shut him up 😂.

[@yukiokuma8983]

The fact she's dating him is the answer to his question. He just wants an excuse to fight with her.

[@christinamathers8797]

Right?! Like why even ask if you're not satisfied with her answer lmaoo he sucks major balls.

[@christinamathers8797]

@@RodrickMarsMoon 😂😂😂😂😂😂👏👏👏👏👏👏

[@Deadpool3E]

Shrodinger's homosexual.

[@mrpeach2023]

If Ed wants to body shame Liz throughout the entire relationship, then it’s no surprise Liz brings that back onto him. No sympathy for this neckless man child.

[@HopAndLockDropSoppityPop]

I really don't understand why he's defending Ed so much in this video.

[@_plantlife]

@@HopAndLockDropSoppityPop same

[@Lucixfer.0]

@@HopAndLockDropSoppityPop i noticed that! It's kinda weird

[@balbeaniegg5895]

@@Lucixfer.0 y’all just hate Ed cause of what you’ve seen on tv😂

[@copaminecombat]

Can you explain more for me bro.. what did he say to her?

[@akasakikawasaki1890]

The reason why Ed appeared calmer in the discussion isn't a reflection of his maturity, this is classic narcissistic abuse, especifically reactive abuse. They wear you down over time till you explode and then they can turn on you to call you crazy.

[@xx-el9gl]

Also he's awere there is a camera right there. He might just be acting calm for the audience

[@Quon]

It really is narcissism, I've experienced that first hand it just drives you nuts. Can't believe even Leo with his degree in psychology (tm) couldn't see that

[@_plantlife]

This !!!!! I just said something similar

[@tecnapurin]

That's exactly what I was thinking. This is what narcissists do to their victims. They'll chip you down bit my bit to a point where you can't take it anymore and you blow up, and THEY'LL coolly sit back and appear calm, while you feel like you're the crazy one.

[@Stacelicious]

You're right. I was in an abusive relationship with a narcissist and this is exactly how he treated me. I also find it disgusting how he said they were done and he ordered her to go to bed. Very dismissive. It makes the age gap between the two kinda gross and weird, like he's her dad. And she was abandoned by her father so she's probably been looking for someone to replace him her whole life. I think Ed needs a better therapist and I think Liz needs a therapist herself.

[@Dragonkid1801]

Considering Ed's marriage failed because of his own cheating, I think it's valid to wonder if Ed's insecurity comes from his own inability to be faithful. There are people that can't understand that how their partner can be faithful, because they know they wouldn't be faithful if they were in the same position

[@LittleMissCherryPie]

Omg facts!

[@Anthonydavis65]

Dragonkid is speaking true facts

[@jesusriced]

I had/have a friend who cheated on his girl twice. To my knowledge then after a few months started accusing me of sleeping with his girl everytime he got drunk. Keep in mind ive known her before him I met him thru her and other mutual when we were in our teens I known them for about 17 years now this was atleast 10 or 11 years ago

[@jademoon7938]

Yes this is what I tell everyone any time someone tells me they're being accused of cheating. Bruh. You're the one being cheated on. Why accuse you? Because they're thinking, "Wait, I'm secretly having sex with someone else, and they don't know, so that means they could be having sex with someone else, and I don't know! How dare they!" Is2g that's what they think. So, recognize the signs, accusations of you cheating are an admission that they're cheating, or at least have cheated in the past, and tbh once a cheater, always a cheater. Why? It's a deep personality flaw and there isn't really a cure for that. Beyond serious commitment to self-improvement and years of dedication. Not something most are willing to do just to improve themselves.

[@pinkie5963CP]

400th like!

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

Okay, but we just not gonna gloss over the fact that he called all her friends and people around her "trashy"? That definitely should've gone on the board considering he has no friends OR family, but judging hers

[@qwandary]

So much should have fone on the board; like she's got a cerfew, she can't have any friends because she 'might be bi', he needs every question answered before he can marry her because trust doesn't exist (the same issue he had with Rose).

[@Bl4ckD0g]

Yeah. Leo really missed alot of points to bash Ed in that argument. He was more concerned with Liz throwing away a $13,000 ring that didn't mean shit to either of them anyway. Ed cared more about the money than what the ring meant, and Liz just straight up doesn't wanna be there anymore and won't admit it to herself.

[@pixiestxNyomouf]

@@Bl4ckD0g the way he cared about the rings tells us all exactly what we already knew. It was a love bomb ringnand the price was his blackmail

[@vetreas366]

Dude really is treating the woman he wants to marry like a child. Granted she is about the same age as his daughter but... I mean that can't be the reason he keeps trying to get it on with women half his age? To control them or something? I just cannot see that asshole doing something like that. He seems like such a nice piece of shit...

[@xx-el9gl]

@@Bl4ckD0g I think he only brought up selling the ring to help her family to make her look bad. He knows he's being filmed and he can predict what Liz will do so has time to think up something to make her look bad.

[@cam3661]

One thing I do disagree with: Liz wasn’t raising her voice because she was trying to gain control of the conversation, it was because she was sick of being talked over and ignored. My father was very similar to Ed, constantly pointing out my flaws but when I would bring up his he would deny it or tell me I took things the wrong way. I often reacted very similarly to Liz when my father and I would get into heated conversations, and he was the ONLY one I ever would react that way with. It wasn’t until I finally moved out when our relationship got better. Not because we talked things through, but because it became easier to avoid those types of conversations. Ed has destroyed Liz, and she has gotten to a point where she is just a shell of who she once was. That’s not to say Liz hasn’t done anything wrong, but Ed is an extremely manipulative man who will never see or accept his wrongs. Liz needs to run, and Ed needs to spend some time working on himself and not on finding a wife.

[@Sunshower._.]

It’s sad because he’s going to hurt another woman like this after this relationship. He’s trash.

[@flowersandcheesecake1710]

I’m honestly surprised on how he misinterpreted that cuz Liz just said “I’m tired of you talking over me.” For me recently Leo has been having very bad takes with Liz

[@ireallywannasleep3737]

@@flowersandcheesecake1710 i totally agree, it's kinda frustrating

[@qwandary]

@@flowersandcheesecake1710 I'm so glad I'm not the only one noticing a little trend here with Leo's takes. I've also noticed it in one of the Badvice podcast episodes with another woman. I think he tries so hard to have a balanced view of all parties and show empathy to both that he kinda... forgets to critically think about all the data and ends up not empathising fully with them sometimes. I get he's mostly doing silly fun content but when Liz says 'You've done this horrible abusive thing to me' and Leo goes 'omg look at her hand movements haha' it's such a missed opportunity to talk about abuse and how it starts off and escalates until you can barely have any emotional control and are always on edge. It's not immaturity, it's trauma responses. They've made it clear she has trauma from previous abusive relationships and is trying to heal, so whether this trauma is from Ed or someone else originally, it's obviously a factor here that gets ignored for neck jokes. :/

[@kolzartsumagari]

trying to calm down from watching this vid by reading comments, 🤝 as someone with a parent like ed, helps to just read im not the only one. like i know im not, theres a ton of men like this, but right now helps knowing other ppl get what this feeling is like. i think ive heard almost exactly the same things ed says to her, the mannerisms and tone of voice... men that like to act like theyre just very nice and passive and are full of insecurity and wanting ultimate control. seeing this traumatic stuff on video again after years is hard. im happy you could be away from him, my life definitely was saved by moving away. liz should do that shit like leave, if she needs help leaving i wish i could help her

[@someanon1984]

Liz has her own problems but I do think that Ed provokes her (ie: dropping "positive" hints that she should lose weight then acting like she's such a monster for calling him fat). He basically authors the destruction of all of his relationships by choosing people who'll be dependent on him, further isolating them, and then trying to break them with passive insults and gaslighting. I hope Liz takes her daughter and leaves for good this time. Literally trying to trap women into staying and making him feel better about his shortcomings by making them feel small.

[@Crithosceleg]

💯 right here

[@_plantlife]

I have noticed this too and I have now started thinking that Ed doesn’t really want a marriage or a normal healthy relationship but a live in sex doll that cleans and cook. Doesn’t talk or have a individual life.

[@someanon1984]

@@_plantlife Worse than that. He wants a sex doll that hates itself because it'll internalize when he says things like "your breath isn't pretty" instead of getting mad at him. This dude is the WORST kind of insecure.

[@_plantlife]

@@someanon1984 👏🏽 yup

[@laurenrobinson9072]

@@_plantlife he'd still be insecure.

[@AutisticTea]

This relationship is so toxic! I'm not saying Liz is entirely innocent, but having been in a relationship where my boyfriend controlled where I went, talked shit about my friends and family, constantly made comments about my body, and would ask me questions then keep asking because he wanted to know the "truth" - it fucks with your head. Ed is controlling, manipulative, and mean. He's not only a hypocrite, but his behaviour borders on emotionally abusive. I don't bandy around the word gaslighting because, due to previously mentioned relationship, I've been gaslit, but it really seems to apply to him. Of course he was calm during the fight - he instigated and deliberately wound her up so he could look like the bigger person. This is a miserable little man and I hope Liz leaves him, gets therapy, and learns to love and her respect herself again.

[@jennaparker7200]

I agree 100%. His insecurity was taken to a whole new level at that engagement party. He is a slimly and controlling asshole that doesn’t deserve a relationship until he fixes his own emotional problems. Also, how dare he try to say ANYONE is fat. My dude out here lookin like a cake pop.

[@Lee-fx7bd]

I definitely agree. Liz isn't perfect, buts she's being borderline abused.

[@qwandary]

Ed is 100% emotionally abusive, and Liz has been too but it looks like reactive abuse to me. And to see it getting categorised as 'immaturity' is really hurtful and ignorant. I'm sad Leo keeps doing that. It's like when a kid gets beat up all the time and when they finally lash out and hit back they get told they should have been the 'bigger person'. People have breaking points.

[@Isellsimpsandsimpaccessories]

You don't really need to be "entirely innocent" to deserve not being abused. I get where you're coming from, though. That's the thing that really bugs me about Ed, he instigated. He instigates and then wounds the person as they try to wrap their head around the delusions that lead to his instigation. Like why are you attacking me for things YOU made up?

[@RajetsuKiba]

I absolutely agree.. I spent years with men like that. The only thing I disagree with is, it doesn't "borderline on emotional abuse" it IS emotional abuse. These are the exact same behavior patterns that were followed by physical abuse.. every single time. I don't claim that it'll always end like that, but it's a pretty good indicator for what you are to this person, a punching bag.. Figuratively and/or literally To me, this is the equivalent to getting hit every day until at some point you defend yourself, getting guilt tripped into thinking you were the abusive one and taking it again. Every time giving up more control over yourself and ending up being not more than a shadow of your former self. Making it next to impossible to escape this situation. I really feel for her and I do hope leo is going to read all these comments from actual survivers and at least acknowledges that this is not equally toxic on both sides..

[@rofecoxib]

15:26 I sorta disagree with you in this situation. she def doesn't feel heard bc she's so young and there's such a wide age gap. I hate how Ed comes off as all knowing, and I wish he'd just not treat Liz like that. I know Liz has done some bad things but I thought that this point in particular was worthy to note. edit: I forgot to add, the reason that she's raising her voice is bc she feels so overpowered. she feels she has no control.

[@curnies]

💯 👏

[@bluedragon8762]

@@denisenicole8271 remember never to yell and if you do by your own logic your a vad person and abusive

[@rofecoxib]

@@denisenicole8271 oh I agree. I don't know if it's for money or if she actually likes this man. she seriously needs to leave him..

[@Liltwilightprincess2]

@@denisenicole8271 depending on the situation leaving isn't always easy. It's one of the reasons why Ed targets women who are emotionally vulnerable, in financially vulnerable situations, and most telling of all single mothers. He will hold over the possibility of financial security and stability which he hasn't been shy about when it comes to being needed

[@geminicattheinsomniac8408]

@@Liltwilightprincess2 I think the reason why some believe it’s her as well because she left the first time posted online the phone call between them, and how horrible Ed was talking to her. The whole internet backed her and wanted her to leave, but after shortly releasing that phone conversation she went back to ED. She had the whole internet on her side and she went back. So people see it as her fault.

[@marissamate]

"You're not that attractive btw" THAT KILLED ME 😂💀

[@Shockwave117yt]

Her sexual market value must be extremely low for her to stay with him.

[@666kittycat666]

straight for the jugulair 💀

[@keramiller823]

I read this the same time she said that and I just died 🤣

[@sourgreendolly7685]

And she’s right 😂

[@msdouglas12100]

I had to watch that twice cause his reaction made me laugh so hard.

[@l00visa]

He just admitted that he controlls who she hangs out with because he thinks her friends are trash

[@diva6148]

Wasn't Liz drunk when she was yelling? There's a saying: A drunk person's words are a sober person's thoughts. So.. Liz finally got the (liquid) courage to tell Ed how she REALLY feels. #TeamLiz

[@AiirxGeordan]

I kinda hate that Ed gaslights Liz into getting angry and yelling, then Leo is all “no matter what it’s not ok to yell” like sure, but he’s constantly accusing her of things and talking over her when she tries to explain herself, any sane person would probably yell in that situation.

[@luvcherry]

right like she isn't allowed to get mad after his constant toxic behavior and provoking her lmao

[@rotisseriepossum]

Yeah, the rule just doesn’t apply here. This isn’t some petty spat between an otherwise healthy couple, it’s intentional abuse (from Ed) and an imbalance of power.

[@caligirl90]

It really comes off as she's a woman so he automatically sides against her. He didn't show him telling her to take the ring off right then, so she did and left it on the producers phone. He didn't show before she confronted him about being fat that Ed didn't say "you're fat" but DID make a more subtle dig at her weight, and that he does it often. He decided not to show that he tells her she needs to look like she did when she was skinner and had an ED. Maybe it's all subconscious bias on his part, but it's really starting to bother me in the more recent videos. He's excusing flat out abuse as a "Everyone on both sides" thing. She's reacting to constant abuse. And the fact that she can't walk away and be alone when he wants to push something, but when she wants to talk Ed shuts Liz down. The pattern we see is disgusting and Leo is just excusing it as no one's perfect here, and that's dangerous.

[@rotisseriepossum]

@@caligirl90 yeah even in the new video, he says some things that im like hmmmm idk chief, but i might be hypervigilant at this point

[@snooganslestat2030]

I don't think shouting is as bad as using emotional manipulation.

[@Dwoff-mt6dd]

Liz’s emotions are really heightened and she said some hurtful things but imagine all the stuff big Ed has done and said to her off camera. He’s manipulative and controlling and calls her friends “trash people” so when I see her lash out I feel like it’s coming from a very hurt place after putting up with years of his abuse. That’s not to say she didn’t have her part in it but big Ed seems like one of those people that dances around what they’re getting at so that he had plausible deniability and turns it around on the other person.

[@Midnightskiss1369]

I’ve been married for 26 years and one thing I’ve seen over and over, big Ed asking over and over if Liz is cheating is to justify his cheating later. Ed wants someone to set at home, take his hateful comments, and let him do whatever he wants.

[@msev1348]

I think Big Ed is really skilled at dog whistling in his relationships. It's the reason that he can stay so calm during the argument. Because he starts the argument by using phrases that he knows are going to trigger the other person and then manipulates the situation to make himself look like the victim.

[@shineseeker7]

Yup, typical emotional abuser behavior from Ed

[@katherinelynn1276]

Yup definitely a prime example of dog whistling.

[@mistyobannon3081]

I have been in a narcissistic relationship; and it will turn you into someone you have NEVER been before. I am very calm and rational when I speak; and I think things through before they are ever spoken aloud, but that man had me screaming at the top of my lungs. Within a year, I didn’t recognize the person I had become (this being in my mid 40’s). I wasn’t some young buck that didn’t know any better. Ed is using all of the classic moves… 1. Starts a fight by “asking her a question”. He didn’t ask, he straight up accused her. 2. Blames her negative reaction on her being drunk and immature. 3. Tells his best friend (Rich)he’s basically dead to him if he can’t support them, then blames Liz for his friends not being there 4. Tells Liz to take off the ring and that they are done, then tells her she’s the devil for removing the ring 5. Not shown here, but he has admitted to fat shaming Liz; and has gone so far as to tell her he’s more attracted to her friend (that he took photos of) 6. When she brings up a valid point, he either goes completely off topic or just says he’s done talking 7. He took her earlier point of “I’d rather be a lesbian than be in this kind of relationship”, twisted it in his mind; and is now using it against her. 8. He is trying to socially distance her from ALL friends and family that can see through his BS. I could go on and on. You can not change narcissistic, manipulative people. She needs to run as fast and as far away as possible. He will have her so mind f…ed that she won’t know what reality is anymore.

[@celinebellon5259]

This exactly. Me too! They will turn you into a bitch you never wanted to be or asked for just to make your point because being nice and calm doesn't put your point across.what I realized in the end is that nothing you do or say will change a narcissists ways no matter how hard you try or think you can and no amount of love because nothing is EVER good enough. I would get cussed out just because I didn't have the right kind of pickles he wanted or just not saying good morning in the way he imagined I should say it. Its Ridiculous and makes you feel like your going mentally insane!

[@qwandary]

In my abusive relationship I'd end up having arguments where I was screaming to be heard over his screaming. And let me tell you, I NEVER have arguments in my relationships, like EVER. I know people say they're healthy but for me, I have disagreement,s I have debates but never arguments. But in that relationships, shouting matches just to be heard, because the abuser would destroy every healthy method of communication, every coping mechanism, every connection to outside validation and reality checking, until all you had was confusion and volume. And I was anxious to not be left with not even the volume because it was scary to think what would happen once I lost my voice. To see Leo or others paint that behaviour as 'immaturity' is extremely painful to me.

[@mistyobannon3081]

@@qwandary That’s exactly how it was with me. I was married for 20 years; and my ex and I never raised our voices at each other. We had arguments and heated discussions, but we had the respect for one another to do it in an adult fashion. We discussed the topic at hand until we came to a resolution. We didn’t cut each other down, insult, or berate each other. Although we grew apart and eventually divorced, we can still discuss things rationally about our children, etc. The narc had me believing I was crazy, losing my ever lovin mind. I was so lucky to have supportive friends and family that knew who I truly was. It took some time to heal from that one.

[@mistyobannon3081]

@@celinebellon5259 So true! They will eventually hate everything that they initially told you they “loved” about you. They will lie and blame you. They will cheat and say it’s your fault. Even confronting them with pictures or documents doesn’t phase them. They will turn it around on you in some way. It is a sad and scary situation. I’m glad you were also able to escape the torment and see it for what it was.

[@Sh3nan1gans]

A lot of comments here are from abuse victims saying they recognize this. I am one of those commenters. These people are not equally culpable. I watched my brother's wife abuse him and our dad abused us before that in similar ways. Ed love bombs her to get her back. They are both insecure, but only one of them has a fucking curfew. It wouldn't be acceptable with genders reversed either. Abuse is an ugly thing

[@trashpanda3544]

I think liz is justified in her reaction. In any other circumstance I wouldn't condone calling your partner names and trying to hurt them, but I think this was a lot of built up emotions coming out. Liz bottles her feelings and insecurities, she's made it known that Ed is abusive by dropping hints here and there, he's also used her weight gain against her. He calls her fat, doesn't let liz leave the house unless its to go to the gym, she's not allowed to have friends, Ed accuses her of a multitude of unjustified shit, he flirts with other women in front of liz, the list goes on. He's a shitty person, he just is. He's a shitty person who's isolating liz and breaking down her self esteem so she doesn't leave him. He doesn't want her to have confidence he wants her to think she can't do any better. If I was in liz's position I would have called him much worse.

[@BentleyS6336]

"she's a lesbian and you were physical with her" "When?" "You never actually said it, but I don't wanna argue" The actual fucking audacity to say she cheated then gaslight her when she challenged his accusation..

[@doyoureadme94]

That pause where Liz realized she didn't have to get in a car with ED, to get a ride home. Lmao 🤣

[@kateemma22]

In defence of Liz throwing away the 13k ring: when she met Ed she was in a far lower socioeconomic class, she's regularly controlled by Ed using the limited money and free time she has, and an engagement ring symbolises tying two lives together and not much else. Throwing it away, expelling it from her sight and body, was Liz saying 'no more' and I love this for her. No one's credibility is worth an amount as lowly at 13k.

[@nilara93]

This!!! 👆👆👆

[@karrimgyver]

For sure, but I still would not have done that no matter how fucked up I was and I'm an opioid addict.

[@tristysstuff6664]

I think the only reason Ed was able to stay calm during the discussion was because he basically provoked Liz throughout the show, so he knew that her eventual blow up would happen and could therefore respond "maturely". It's like a bully picking on someone non-stop till they snap at them.

[@JaCiBaYbEe]

He's only "calm" because it's another part of the abuse tactics from him. Once they trigger the victim to the point of anger and exploding, like Liz was, then they get calm. While also making remarks they know will continue to trigger their victim. You can't take his side, you can't take either side. They're both extremely unhealthy for each other and need to learn to let go and move forward with their lives individually.

[@addy8857]

Big Ed's is his own worst enemy. He is so insecure that he will ruin his own wedding

[@peekaloo12]

I think what bothers me the most is how he's acting so calm during the argument. It's gaslighting her into thinking she's being the irrational one, when in reality finally lashing out after having been brought to the brink. Typically I wouldn't immediately jump to this conclusion, but it's been a fairly consistent pattern with him.

[@Moose5642]

As a lesbian myself, I am confused about how someone grabbing an arm makes them change sexuality ... so insecure, and sad

[@EllenPhantom]

lesbian-midas maybe 🤣

[@Lee-fx7bd]

Lmao, same

[@missfayz4523]

One thing we are kind of forgetting is how young she is compared to him, but he is not. Age gap relationship can work but only if this age gap is talked about and discussed in a fruitful and considerate manner. Big Ed repeadetly makes calls to authority based on his age, trying to explain things to lis she doesn't need explained. She also is portrayed as immature (which she is a bit) but always in contrast to him, who also is extremely immature and unaware of other people. They both aren't good for each other and need to work on themselves (no, Ed, having therapist doesn't suddenly makes you infallible)... Edit: omg, she has a curfew? Is she 16, not 29?

[@kathyowens8400]

How dare she say MEANFULL things to him when he is only trying to drop positive "hints" for her to lose weight!!! And how dare she be drunk and have a disagreement with another drunk friend and not admit she must be a lesbian!!!! Dude I can't even take him seriously I swear I hope this is acting because if it's not he needs to fall off a cliff immediately

[@ilikeyoutube7224]

I think Liz's only show of insecurity (on screen) is her staying in this relationship. But, a mature person can still get caught in a toxic relationship.

[@qwandary]

Well said!

[@SpammytheHedgehog]

Can we appreciate the fact that Sixteenleo produces more Big Ed content than any other person?

[@KingOfTheMonsters07]

Bro's making a Big Ed franchise.

[@metalcoremichael1024]

ArthurTV makes some good videos on Big Ed too. Would love to see him and Leo collab

[@lordbugington]

@@metalcoremichael1024 I came here to say this

[@dannier2947]

@@metalcoremichael1024 right I love him too!

[@sinjin8576]

He really needs to get a business tie in. If I saw Big Ed merch in Leo's store I wouldnt even be mad.

[@orkutfinance]

This is the worst thing that big ed has done so far. He's so manipulative and toxic, but I'm glad that Liz was standing up to him and putting him in his place. But he is so goddamn stupid that I really don't even want to associate with him if I ever had the misfortune.

[@sidar87]

Leo, Ed is calm because he wants to come across as the "sane" one gaslighting her as if she is the problem and not the fact he made up a fictional scenario in his head. He keeps saying how she is drunk and completely dismisses the implications of the things he is saying.

[@socialdistancingon8333]

So, I've dealt with guys like Big Ed and all this "ring" stuff. Had he actually let Liz keep the ring, it simply would have been as a reminder for her to look at and long to be back with him over. He would have got upset if she sold the ring at all. And then he would have used it as a story to tell people how "she never gave him the ring back". And he'd have another sob story to tell the next woman he dates. 4 of my exes were weird about ring stuff. 3 constantly hinted around about marriage stuff and rings all the time, you know, the proverbial carrot on a stick with all that future faking bs (I didn't care though). And one of them presented me a $1 ring bc I agreed to date him, then he broke up with me, and next time I saw him, he kept talking about random rings in the hopes I would "remember", and want to get back with him, or at least give it back to him for the same reason my father wanted his wedding ring back. And then there's my father. He asked for the ring back so he could use it to propose to another woman after my mother divorced him. She had fulfilled that contract, so he wasn't getting that ring back and she threw it in the trash. So, he took his old wedding ring and wrapped twine around it to propose to the new woman. She rejected him and he ended up alone. Unless you've been in relationships with emotional manipulators, you just don't know the level they will sink to. And how difficult they will make it on you.

[@angryfluteperson]

For the love of all that is good - she needs to leave. The way Ed treats her is so condescending and manipulative. Liz also got very personal in the fight when she shouldn’t have, but just the way he talks to her like a Dad and makes decisions for her is an absolute YIKES for me. Talking like that to a PARTNER is a giant red flag if I’ve ever seen one.

[@eleanormason2647]

It's straight out abuse. Emotional and psychological abuse

[@pratkier]

Him looking her dead in the eyes and saying "I don't want someone like you." Then continuing to be with her is basically saying become a different person.

[@kidtacularKIDS]

Lol, when she walked away fast, I do that too when I can feel myself about to blow up. So I just walk away, trying to calm down, because I'm at least a little self aware that I can be cruel when I'm angry. It's a crazy coping mechanisms to lash out so I'm still trying to work on that.

[@ooohlalaandrea]

I was an abused child growing up (physical, mental/emotional, etc) and I used to say in elementary school "sticks and stones may brake my bones but the words you said when you threw them will hurt forever"... at the time it was pretty profound and fast forward all these years later I have to admit that I can't remember the feeling of the beatings but I sure as hell still have pain over the things that were said!

[@Ola_Stawinska]

Man, Ed told her to leave the ring, so she did. 🤷‍♀️ Not her fault that he didn't specify where he wants her to leave it.

[@satyar.t2921]

The fact he says something stupid than acts calm when Liz get’s mad reminds me of reactive abuse

[@mcastleton2]

If you had ever been in a mentally and emotionally abusive relationship Leo you wouldn't be having some of these takes but I'm happy to see the amount of comments explaining and pointing this out. Peace and love ✌️

[@idontwantahandlethough]

"are you a lesbian?" == I don't understand why you don't want to sleep with me anymore and am a total man-child and therefore entirely unwilling to entertain the notion that this is [at least in part] my own fault, so I will blame it on my partner because I'm petrified of having to reflect on my choices for even a single moment!

[@KitKat_630]

If someone I was in a relationship was so adamant about me lying when I wasn’t, I’d say “I’m not lying, you’re just delusional” and walk away. Honestly, the constant victim blaming and gaslighting Ed does makes me so livid.

[@Sunshineattacks3]

Of course she’s yelling. She’s the one being accused and controlled. It’s easy to be calm when your the accuser.

[@shirandawilliams]

Leo I usually agree with you a lot but I think you're being waayyyyy too lenient with Ed he always cuts Liz off, he's made her feel so insecure with how he talks about her weight, he talks to her like she's a kid, he's manipulative as shit and always blames her for everything I could go on and on it was time for Liz to stand up for herself she's been holding back everything he is not the victim

[@ddivar]

I’m guessing Rose coming out after their relationship, caused another big insecurity. The fact that he saw anyone get physical with his fiancé and chose to accuse, instead of protect is very sad. Once again he only cares about himself and his feelings. He pushes everyone away, due to his selfish nature.

[@Chanacabra]

Ngl I can understand that Liz just walks out, when Im getting angry, like really angry I need to get out before I heard feelings or throw punshes... My Mum did the same as Ed and always came after me into my room and just escalated everything. Like when someone tries to get away in this kind of situation, do not follow, especially if you know that that person has anger control issues, or is just really pissed.

[@whatever3145]

Yes. I have bpd and bpII and if you see me trying to leave a situation and you follow me and corner me there's no telling what will happen. I cannot control my anger in certain situations. So I try to control the environment and leave before I really explode. Dont trap people.

[@thefancycat2652]

@@whatever3145 I feel you. BPD over here too

[@shrimpified4413]

that felt like a father daughter argument over who she can and cannot hangout with 💀

[@meadebe]

See I can't even remotely side with ed, because he's such an instigator and then get's upset with the other person getting mad. It's like if someone stabbed you and when you tried to defend yourself they were like, "woah, you are out of control, you need to see someone about your anger, you have no reason to be mad right now."

[@icey9304]

It’s nuts to think that he was the one cheating in his previous MARRIAGE, if he couldn’t be faithful in his own marriage maybe that makes him think that others can’t be faithful, but watching him act like this is so aggravating 😭

[@GrimSpookz]

my ex boyfriend accused me of being a lesbian and I couldn't stop laughing, I was 13, I didn't know and back then I didn't show an obvious interest in woman at all... I left him and ended up with one of his female friends a year later.

[@cixdy]

JUMPED right here when I got the notification. Thank you so much Leo for making rough days a great deal better.

[@jessicaleah8684]

I heard a quote from Frank Woodley in a skit one time when I was like 10 that was “sticks and stones may break my bones but words will only cause permanent psychological damage” and it’s stuck with me forever 😂

[@templar19]

The truly impressive thing about this episode is Ed finding pants that are actually short on him.

[@nervousbreakdown711]

Yo Im a bisexual and if my wife ever tried to gaslight me into doubting my sexuality, that’s it. Divorce papers. Ed has a lot of latent homophobia. I’m with Liz on this one. She’s lashing out as an abused woman .

[@bi0_haz3rd42]

What HASN’T big Ed done 😭

[@TeddyLovesAxl]

Lost 150lbs? 😂🎃

[@syn6195]

Turned his head to the side

[@danniaddams5502]

Shut up long enough for people to be fooled that he's a decent person?

[@PrincessSybilla77]

Can we just take a moment to remember Rose? Rose had so much self-respect and she walked away from Ed with her integrity in tact

[@megglesy]

Hope you're feeling better Leo. ❤️ BTW... Am I the only person wondering if someone from the production crew (that was filming Liz walking away alone) went looking for the engagement ring after Liz ditched it?

[@NF-hh3qq]

She go back and picked it up after fighting with Ed.

[@TheGrossDemon]

She literally left it on one of their phones, they literally could have picked it up but didnt. They want as much drama as possible

[@Lee-fx7bd]

I was wondering this lol

[@qwandary]

@@TheGrossDemon Yeah I feel like I'm going crazy because I remember her CAREFULLY putting the phone down so Ed didn't hear it while he was bitching at her, then putting the ring on it and walking away while the camera crew stayed still for a bit. No way they just walked off and left those items there. They at least kept someone guarding it or put it somewhere. They probs didn't tell them until the next day and the camera crew in the house might have been different people who didn't know to tell them.

[@anushkam2320]

I am wayyyy too addicted to this series😅😂

[@ellenicoletv4095]

SAME!! I’ve never seen an episode of this show; I had no idea who these people were before watching Leo’s videos 😂😂😂

[@USNMelDaria]

Big Ed has criticized her physically their whole relationship so I was proud of her when she threw it back in his face! She’s not trying to assert her power, she’s frustrated and angry. You keep poking the bear and eventually the bear will take your ass!!! We all know TLC paid for that ring!! They had the jr staff looking for it!!🤭

[@Sunshineattacks3]

That’s what I’m saying I don’t get why he’s nitpicking at her in the situation. She is the one being accused of course he is able to be calmer. Plus he didn’t even mention the fact that this was right after she argued with the person that she’s being accused of cheating with. Meaning she was already upset when he asked her that… but you want me to be upset that she continue to be upset? Smh

[@shori200]

I got angry cause I accidentally clicked on the notification while playing a game, but then I saw it was you, my rage disappeared so fast.

[@matveyxivan7159]

ed: get your shit and move out liz: *doesnt come home* ed: *surprised pikachu face*

[@montialarson]

Every time they get into an argument, he literally acts like a father to her. Like the things he says and his tone with her. It's so creepy. This relationship is so disturbing.

[@harpybones]

leo, after some disastrous relationships you give me faith in the fact that there are good people out there too. thank you.

[@sarahharrisginge736]

Same! 💜

[@idontwantahandlethough]

you'll find somebody great i'm sure, don't worry too much :)

[@Screambabe21]

My boyfriend knows I’m bisexual, he’s fine with it, he doesn’t come up to me or whispers to me “Do you think she’s hot? What about her, no no wait him” all he told me and till this day for 2 years next month, I respect still to this day. He said; “As long as you’re loyal to me, I’ll still love you and respect you being bisexual” We both respect our differences and similarities, even if they both tend to clash at times, but we still love and respect one another. So why is hard for Ed to believe that Liz could be saying the truth that she wasn’t with this woman, or that she’s lesbian, that’s how relationships work, you have and build trust.

[@beanqueen1243]

Normally I would agree about someone raising their voice but having been in a relationship with someone a lot like Ed before, the phrase “women yell because they aren’t being heard, men yell because they aren’t being obeyed” applies. Yeah yeah, not all men, but with men like this: my ex would yell when I wasn’t following all of his instructions, I would yell back when he would repeatedly talk over me or tell me to shut up. Ed is using this as a tactic to say “oh you’re just an emotional woman!! You’re wrong!” Liz is being human. Yeah she shouldn’t call him fat, but he has such an over inflated ego for the little goblin he is and he has been bodyshaming her this whole relationship.

[@cardinalcrone]

From one ill person to the other, your videos help me not think about my condition. I hope you’re feeling better soon, brother!

[@NotAYoutuber570]

They both have problems, but big Ed never try’s to address them properly, and when he does he fucks it all up. Ed is never gonna change and it makes me sad, he brought it upon himself so he has to face the music alone. P.s. hope your week gets better Leo, love your content ❤

[@Sweettormentt]

I cant blame Liz for reacting the way that she did, imagine being belittled over and over again by someone like Ed. And then when the cameras are on he acts all calm and not reactive at all. It's like oh really? Now that the cameras are on you're acting like the mature one??

[@Lovarei]

being calm while making completely ridiculous accusations is a gaslighting technique. People use the victims tendency to be emotional against them in these situations because their abuser was calm while trying to confront them. Nothing happened in the first place to warrant this behavior from ed, and liz's explosion is indicative that she's been going through this shit constantly with him. Always being accused of ulterior motives and then being TOLD how things ACTUALLY are by Ed. The dude is gaslighting her through and through in the entire discussion all because he's insecure. Liz may not have been the most calm and definitely said some things that are out of line, but whats more important is that she's standing up for herself against a man who's frankly abusing her.

[@ohhaisman]

ummmm pretty sure if I saw my fiance talking to another woman I'd introduce myself instead of act like a 5 year old and accuse her of cheating. I think if they were flirting it would make me want to introduce myself even more. Get with the times Ed!

[@May-Hope]

not that uncommon to find your partner unatractive. My mom literally told me she married my father because he was ugly enough that she didn't need to worry about him cheating

[@whatever3145]

That is so toxic and doesn't mean anything- ugly dudes cheat all the time. Sometimes they're more likely to bc of insecurity

[@DIRTYD33DSDON3DIRTCHEAP]

jesus christ your mom sounds like a horrible person, unless that was said as a joke or something

[@BigRed1595044]

Also, does anyone else see how abusive and manipulative Ed is? Liz says, he doesn’t let her hang out with her friends, she has a curfew. She can’t hang out with men because he gets jealous. But now he wants to isolate her from men and women. That’s why he’s preparing her by accusing her of being a lesbian. He’s isolating her. Also, he’s telling her to workout and drops “positive” hints. Basically, he says he’s not satisfied with her looks making her feel unattractive. That is devaluation. In addition, Liz has to walk on eggshells and even then it does not guarantee her any peace of mind. Liz, RUN. This relationship is emotionally abusive and it’s already getting worse. No person deserves to be treated like this by anyone. Edit: men like Ed and Ed himself are pieces of shit and the reason so many women struggle even in healthy relationships due to all the scars douchebags like that leave them with.

[@tesileslie]

I usually agree and usually not comment but ed was calm because he wanted her to seem like the crazy one

[@RabLuua]

The cut to the dog and him looking away was so funny from TLC

[@fath3rl3ssb3havior9]

So apparently, she answered the phone (it was the directors allegedly) when Ed got home. He accused her still of being gay. He told her to leave the ring and pack. She put the ring on top of the phone in front of a random house. She didn’t throw it. Apparently.

[@minteaskullz]

Idk how to feel about my partner talking down on me like a parent does- I swear he talks to her like a dad whenever he doesn’t wanna deal with her and says “go to bed” but if Liz is into that..to each their own.

[@sinjin8576]

Can we appreciate how the dog is the voice of reason in the house?

[@antoinettemaraisgauthier]

the thumbnail has me WHEEZING (even worse, i thought it wasn’t edited at first glance)

[@angelicasueiro3265]

Lets not forget that being so controlling towards your partner to the point of giving them a curfew and isolating them from their friends are typical signs of domestic abuse

[@RoksolanaCos]

Actually theres a really great quote in a song that goes "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but your words they almost killed me." Makes a lot more sense to me this way

[@lupine.spirit161]

ever since Ken pointed out that the background changes within their fight this just makes me believe it is all even more stages than i thought it was

[@asimpforagoodlovestory]

When I think about the sheer amount of big Ed content that sixteenleo has to watch for us I suddenly feel very concerned about his health

[@ripples2.0]

Honestly, Liz and Ed are just like a train wreck. You can't look away even though you know it's going to be a horrific mess. Also, your videos have been getting me through while I'm dealing with my own health issues ❤🙏🏻 thank you for putting a smile on my face

[@tiffanykim2773]

Ed paid $13,000 for a ring to give to someone he claims to love but even after completely controlling her he still doesn't trust her. Don't give a ring to someone if you're going to treat them like trash and then call them a lesbian when she's not.................alledgely.

[@mrpeach2023]

Can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Ed is the personified version of that.

[@usagi32211]

The crux of this whole argument is that Ed is upset that Liz might've dated other people while they were split up. How many women did he date during the same time?

[@elenaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa]

I just discovered your channel recently and I am hooked. Pls post more often 🥹. Xoxo from Romania

[@Minutes-iw2kq]

Cinnamontoastken has noted this might be scripted fight. The lighting and arrangement of stuff in the kitchen changes. How many times was the "fight" re-shot? Also, I like your guitar. Damn it looks nice!

[@ellanannettevega2992]

one thing some people seem to forget is that it's not just one thing... Liz has been through a series of abuse and at this point it's trauma bonding with Ed so she's free to lash out as much as she should.

[@db1232]

I didn't even know who big Ed was until your videos. And I didn't know who you were until I saw your big Ed video. You two are the yin and yang of youtube

[@mara7033]

Ed really just can't not fuck up the relationship every time it starts to get better.

[@tylulia1039]

Have you ever heard the phone call between Rose and Ed? It was not on the show and it really exposed Ed's abusive tendencies. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it. Like after listening to it I can never look at Ed the same Edit:omg remember all those rumors about Rose dating a woman after the show? The ones she vehemently denied? I think we have an idea where they might have started 🤔

[@punkbeluga5091]

Apparently!! This fight was allegedly staged! If you pay close attention to the background things on the counter when Liz screams "I'M NOT HANGING OUT WITH ANYBODY" the objects change between cuts. Cinnamontoast Ken caught it better!

[@veronicawinters8510]

I'm gonna need Leo to sit down w Ed and Liz, we need a talk show or something

[@SaltStorm007]

AFTERNOON LEO NOTIFICATION 💯🔥Just made my day!

[@tinycrimester]

if my man threatened to switch teams on me, i would probably think he's talking about sports. (but after he explained what he meant, i would be like damn that's hot)

[@nonenone4862]

Ed: go to bed, I'm done, conversation over Six: see Liz walks away again and closes the door on their relationship. Why do you always blame Liz for shutting down and walking away but as soon as Ed does it you still pin it on Liz?