Billy Mitchell Lost His Lawsuit

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[@karljobst]

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[@coolpool4191]

Lets go Karl!

[@evermoore66665]

Karl > Ohio Final Boss

[@FAWNTHEMELON]

imma 1v1 you with my toes tied behind my back foo

[@TeamBelmont91]

Congratulations, Karl! *YOU'RE NEXT, JIRARD.*

[@ThisSteveGuy]

hahahahahahaha! Congratulations!

[@nickpapazyan2807]

Billy sues so often we really need to make a Lose Your Lawsuit any% leaderboard - he’s put in enough WR attempts to truly deserve it

[@adammcallister2260]

The greatest video game suer of all time.

[@EventH0riz0n]

He probably wouldn't even be the record holder for that though because he prolongs the lawsuits artificially every single time.

[@koolmin23]

He'd probably still find a way to fake it to the top.

[@jaymxu]

Milly Bitchell is goated

[@Devin-jg9mr]

More states need vexatious litigant laws

[@thirdlegstalliano]

I still find it difficult to believe that Billy Mitchell is an actual human being and not a cartoon villain

[@Mordecrox]

He is a cartoon villain and this has been proven in court, *Ferguson v. Cartoon Network*

[@drewrobinson5562]

Careful. Hell try to sue you if you say that xp

[@thesuperginge1348]

I don't care if he tries to sue me, but his hair looks like Lego hair. Like you could slide it right off the top of his head and it wouldn't change.

[@MegaBrokenstar]

He quite literally is a villain from Regular Show lol 😂

[@MaRaMa-ARTZ]

I mean. He IS a "caricature".

[@siskavard]

Billie is mentally stuck in a pre-interenet era where lying was easier because there wasn't an army of people online willing to devote their time to investigating his claims. It reminds me of my kids when they lie about eating chocolate when its smeared all over their face.

[@TrueRazarus]

No he just plays stupid. Cos as he has proven, stubborn and stupid always wins. They did, all was there and yet he got away with a half win, a slap on the wrist and as he sees it: A huge PR win. After all this not Karl was the big gaming whoop everyone was writing about and by WINNING A SETTLEMENT Billy not only got scott free but also proven to himself and his djmb grupies has was right. Now he will get tons of support back from illicit people, a champion of unlaw if you will. He won more than he could and probably actually did hope for. As did you kids, after all, they got the chockolate in the end and you wont toss them out from home from it. That and a lesson at lying and stealing since no dire consequence will happen to invalidate it. Nothing worth losing chockolate over. Hell in the end you probably laughed and made pictures which if anything is a form of praise, which ends us with this rapther apt analogy. Billy got the chockolate, the painless lesson, affirmation and the fame amongst his "peers". The point of all this was to stop him in the future, not empower.

[@eriklarson9137]

You say all of that about Billy on a video where he won a major victory. Skip reading the title, and watch the entire video. Billy won. Karl lost. The end.

[@HungryLoki]

@@eriklarson9137 Uhm, this video is about the Billy's lawsuit vs Twin Galaxies. Putting aside the fact that Billy had to accept TG's settlement instead of pursuing HIS OWN LAWSUIT to the end - which clearly makes him the loser, as he didn't get what he set out to sue for- this is not about Karl's lawsuit, Karl's lawsuit is till ongoing, as you could hear YOURSELF at the end of this particular video.

[@kyro8559]

@@eriklarson9137did we watch the same video? billy didn’t “win,” he settled out of court after having an expert say “it could’ve been a near impossible cosmic series of errors instead of the thing it obviously is”

[@FunkSwaggMusiK]

I mean he still wears a terrible late 70s hairdo and Beard. Dude is literally still stuck in the Cold War Era of life 😂

[@Apipus]

What I’ve always been confused by is how he has the money to sue this much

[@OrbitStrike]

Apparently his family owns the Rickey's Restaurants around Hollywood and Florida.

[@PrybarCommando]

Billy is an entrepreneur and a great businessman as well as being thee best speed runner on the planet. He’s developed several business’s from Florida to California

[@fondbeebboop9705]

@@PrybarCommando you trying to hate bait?

[@Getthatcompletelyoutofhere]

@@PrybarCommandolmao dmbass billy mitchell secret account

[@SilverionX]

@@PrybarCommando Billy is the best at speed running his mouth, and that's about it.

[@erikraskADT1]

The lawyer for TG dropped the ball on this. He got caught sending texts to witnesses so got slapped by the judge for witness intimidation. That one misstep was all Billy's team needed to have the leverage to push for a settlement.

[@lancepage1914]

Sounds like you're on the money and it does make sense .

[@iami3rian394]

He was CAUGHT cheating. It's the only explanation. I feel like this takes a MASSIVE hit on the credibility of TG's entire site.

[@xtlm]

@@iami3rian394 Why? The real records are not affected. Just the 'retro' records or whatever.

[@erikraskADT1]

@@iami3rian394 and until its presented in court, it means nothing. If the paperwork is not filed right, if procedure is not followed, if a lawyer gets caught doing something unethical, then sadly, the facts do not matter. TG's lawyer pulled a Ty Beard and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. It sucks, but its just how the game is played.

[@egotrips4810]

Anyone explain more in detail what happened with TG lawyer screwing up? I'm so upset Billy won

[@TheKingOfBears.]

Kinda sad to see that they settled because now Billy can be like "Oh you see, they settled with me so they know I'm right" or something similarly stupid.

[@ZagnutBar]

Absolutely accurate. All he's arguing for at this point is an official story that he can spin in a way that ensures his own "victory" It's an essential way that narcissists like him maintain their damaged and warped sense of self. He knows he's a liar and a cheater but he lies and cheats so that he (and others) can continue to believe the illusion that is central to his sense of self. Without this story, he's nothing, and he knows it. So he clings to it with all his strength. Narcissism is a terrible affliction. It poisons everyone it touches. And Billy lives an absolutely miserable existence of self loathing, and he needs this fiction not to feel good exactly, but to not feel completely awful about himself. Narcissists are created by extreme abuse in childhood. So Billy is a victim in all this too (not that it makes a difference or excuses the horrible behavior he exhibits now).

[@vincere_]

​@@ZagnutBarTG's lawyer grovelling for forgiveness is pretty funny.

[@UMADBRO64]

Kinda sad a kiddie diddler thinks they get to have an opinion.

[@Jatnuiram]

The thing is, he could've just talked about how the courts are rigged in corporations favour, so the little guy has no chance. No matter the outcome there would always be a spin he could go for.

[@lstairvideos1330]

his response is already live on twitter, and morons such as barstool sports are taking his statement as facts. its like this lawsuit never happened. this is an L for arcade enthusiasts. billy should be ostracized from the community

[@xsnys13]

Remember being a kid, thinking that adults had their shit together? Now we’re grown up and find that these adults are involved in lawsuits centered around cheating at video games. I don’t think people are taking the time to step back and look at how surreal and stupid this really is.

[@WingMaster562]

As you grow up, you become as adult, the same level as adults.

[@sailor5853]

I don't. Mother used to come from work and tell me all the insanely stupid stuff people did on a daily basis. People are just really really stupid in general.

[@Akatsuki69387]

Probably the one advantage of being a kid at any point post 2016-2018ish is you've learned to temper your expectations of adults very early.

[@WingMaster562]

@@Akatsuki69387 nah, it's regardless of year.

[@JenSell1626]

That may really be asking the word “adult” to do some heavy lifting. I went to school with dudes in that crowd with formidable egos and in some respects many are still the nerd equivalent of “jock who peaked in high school.” It’s incredibly boring. Imagine a toned down Billy is your dating pool 😭 Probably tolerable only with a lot of weed. Dig Dug and Q-Bert were way funner than Donkey Kong anyway. Who the hell was ruing to the mailbox for the pulp magazine from the mfr? How many people were paying attention. More people watched Rubik’s Cube demonstrations.

[@sammyafe4197]

I heard about the texting gaff on TGs end, but the fact that both parties were relieved after the trial was canceled might indicate a cooperative fear of unwanted publicity. "Standing hear, I realize... that you're just like me trying to NOT make history. Who's to judge, the right from wrong. When our guard is down I think we'll both agree, That lawyers are lawyers, And in the end they'll take your cash away."

[@zerg9523]

Can you elaborate on what you mean by _”Texting gaff”_ please

[@blazaybla22]

@@zerg9523Probably to TG’s lawyers contacting the other side’s witnesses with messages that could be construed as threats (threat in this instance can just be something like “we might sue you for defamation” - still considered a form of witness intimidation) which they had been ordered not to do and was considered contempt, and was a huge setback to the defense’s case

[@WhitePointerGaming]

It's a bit dishonest to neglect to mention that TG's lawyer did a big no-no, committing contempt of court by inappropriately contacting some of Billy's witnesses. This was no doubt a big factor in the decision to ultimately settle. You've sung his praise a lot about how smart he is, but this was a very, very dumb move, and it ruined their case.

[@scottmccrea1873]

Here's the thing - it's very clear that neither Billy nor TG has the money to continue this farce. Both wanted a way out. And I don't blame TG. Would _you_ want to spend hundreds of thousands of Billy Fckin' Mitchell? You would not. Billy lost. Totally. And Jobst is going to kick his azz in Oz as well. The only way Billy could have won was a jury verdict or TG admitting he was right. Did either of those things happen?

[@mrsteamie4196]

Ah, fuck! That's like, a fundamental rule. How do you screw that up!

[@nothomebutnotreally3782]

Where can we read about the lawsuit?

[@Ultimaximus]

I noticed that in the screenshot of the article that said "just as both sides faced possible sanctions for misconduct during discovery", and was wondering what that was about

[@snakebebop]

Havent watched this yet but if he doesnt bring that up then its not just a bit, its a lot lol

[@AStupidID]

This is disappointing. I can understand why Twin Galaxies didn't want to spend even more money by going to court, but it's a shame Silly won't be shown for who he is. I've already seen people saying they both must have been in the wrong for this settlement to happen, and that's terrible to hear :(.

[@TheNotshauna]

Exactly, for a claim as spurious as Billy's anything less than a complete and utter defeat is a victory. At the end of the day he got everything he wanted, his scores back up on the site and for Twin Galaxies to stop calling him a cheater openly.

[@jellywillreturn]

It's not simply that they didn't want to spend any more money, it's that their lawyer David Tashroudian (who Karl had previously praised) engaged in potential witness tampering, and they settled to appease the judge.

[@mainmkpc2740]

They both were, TG years ago for having any association with BM.

[@AdamAnouer]

To be honest, I do hear you. On paper it really does seem like Billy got away with a relative slap on the wrist but I think in actuality the complete circus of his lawsuit has cemented him a legacy more enduring than any high score, being the absolute laughing stock of the video game industry. In future people won't be thinking about Billy's high score, they'll be thinking this pathetic man in his twilight years wasted thousands of hours of time and money trying to convince the world he didn't cheat and all he got for it, was a acknowledged statement from an expert whom also has exposed themselves as a laughing stock in their industry. The end result is such a pathetic gain on Billy's part for the amount of hours and time that went into it, I can't help but smile.

[@nintendogamingchannel1007]

@@TheNotshauna Twin Galaxies isn’t trustworthy to kept track of Videogames Speedruns (Fact)

[@alex_hey]

Always love the videos Karl but I think you may need to change the title to something a little misleading. Billy Mitchell technically did not 'lose' this lawsuit although the outcome is pretty negative for him. A settlement is much different as it does not confirm a verdict for either side meaning BM can still claim that he did not cheat.

[@RoseWhitmore]

i really dont know if its all that bad for Billy: his records got reinstated on the Twin Galaxies website, so he is now seen as the record holder again. it pretty much sounds like he got what he wanted

[@alex_hey]

@RoseWhitmore When you think about it like that, you are completely right. Let's just hope Karl's trial proves in law he is a cheater.

[@subjectomega7606]

@@RoseWhitmorethankfully that’s not the case, they just made the site during 2014 accessible again as an archive, basically a version of the site before his scores were scrubbed away

[@Kritty13]

@@RoseWhitmore Except he's not seen as the record holder, because those leaderboards aren't official, and contain many examples of other proven cheaters in their old places on the boards.

[@Cheepchipsable]

He didn't win either. Anyone who has a clue know it means someone backed down, usually for money but sometimes to save face. In many cases the settlement details remain confidential.

[@30000Pigeons]

Honestly Karl, I love your content, but don't try to present this as something it's not. This is a W for Billy. The vast majority of people are not gonna recognize the nuance of how his scores were "reinstated" and he has more than enough to make it look to the uninformed observer like his lies were true, and the uninformed observer is exactly who he has always tried to pander to. It's already being reported widely that "his scores were reinstated" when that isn't what happened. The person who benefits most here is Billy, and the people hurt the most are the people who could've used a TG win as leverage in court in their own frivolous suits from Billy. Do not pretend otherwise.

[@QuadB47]

troll alert

[@Tankerrex3]

​@@QuadB47pigeons ain't wrong, i live in SEA and even my local newspaper reported that Mitchell won and has his scores reinstated. Anyone unfamiliar with the entire saga would just see this as another civil dispute.

[@shapowlow]

​@@QuadB47stop being a sheep. you're following a cult mentality where anyone that disagrees with your god (karl jobst in this case) should be struck down. He's not a troll, he gave a legitimate point

[@n0odles86]

​@@QuadB47sycophant alert. Someone give correct and constructive criticism to your Internet daddy? Call them a troll!

[@iglidor]

Do you want to see something funny? Rewatch Karls video about Dream cheating after seeing this. And you will realize that entire Karls argument for Dream not intentionaly cheating can be boiled into "I can not belive that someone would do all this intentionaly and then tried to shift the blame and therefore I believe that they did not do it intentionaly". Which is pretty much like this video where he can not belive that Billy could have won and therefore in his mind it is settled as not win for Billy no matter all the circumstances that says otherwise.

[@KilledByBird]

Karl, all the respect in the world, but THIS is not a loss for that piece of work even by a long shot. This is a giant loss for everyone who might "disagree" with Mitchell. He proved that he can subdue and pressure you to conform somewhat, and IT'S ALL HE NEEDED. It will be enough for him to go another 10-15 years talking about how he proved Twin Galaxies wrong, refering to "being reinstated on twin galaxy website" and using other half-truths as he did for past 30 years. He lost NOTHING.

[@elrondhubbard7059]

I agree that he'll try and twist it that way, but I think what's different this time is that millions and millions of people who are in to gaming now know who this guy is and that he's a total fraud. I think he use to get by on being somewhat anonymous, so he could easily bullshit and say he was the Donkey Kong WR holder and no one would really be sure so they'd take his word on it, but I feel like that isn't really going to work as well for him going forward. He's too infamous now.

[@egotrips4810]

​​@@Taolan8472Kinda fucked up? No no, that's a BIG mess up. Honestly impressed Billy can get away with HUGE evidence pointing to his lies, as much as I hate to admit it

[@chickensandwichman5443]

Color me shocked that this comment section is full of the man-babies on the internet throwing a hissy fit over not getting their dumb drama "gotcha" moment, because they all live in an alt-world where everything works like a school yard retribution system. I would give Karl credit for actually acknowledging this as the best outcome like a grown ass normal person, except I can't, because he's literally the one who has been hyping this up the entire time, and he literally did the worst possible thing he could've done and went "this was settled in a grown up way... but wait until he has to face me because I'm his final boss!" Actually just sad at this point. At this stage you've kind of just throw back the curtain and shown that you have no integrity either way. This balancing act of making the subject of the video more grown up than your audience of drama baiters, while also appeasing them by throwing them more overblown drama bait at the end, is the worst thing you could've done. It makes it clear that you're being incredibly disingenuous about all of this.

[@KilledByBird]

@@elrondhubbard7059 I mean, I agree that people know, but people known for a while, just without a very public case to prove it. Of course Bitchell ain't going to be on Late Night with that, won't rock the GQ cover topless with those facts, but same as he managed to get smaller establishments to give him SOME attention - he still will, with more ammo. And at the end of the day, apparently he has money for those idiotic lawsuits, means someone probably still gives him a dime for putting on that US flag tie and speaking at their conventions, right?

[@Vykk_Draygo]

Settlements are the norm for lawsuits. It's not a win.

[@facecat1]

While I get why they'd settle, it's also frustrating because it's basically the best possible outcome for Billy

[@troodon1096]

The best he could realistically get is not anywhere close to the best he actually wanted. No reason to spend more time and money to come to the same result.

[@memegazer]

Yeah, no offense to Karl but he is saving a bit of face here honestly, that expert testimony would likely raise doubt in a jurry making the outcome less of a slamdunk. I mean it is far fetched for anybody that is informed about emulation and video artifacting that the points of failure mentioned by the expert testimony would result in a one to one output that maps to an emulation loading screen, but I can get how from leagal perspective there is sufficient doubt dealing with people that are not necessarily as informed. I suppose it is possible that one or any combination of those issues could, but it seems astronomically improbable...lol...like that time a cosmic ray caused a bit flip in a speedrun type of odds. Speaking of which I am surprised that expert did not throw that in there too for good measure since he went for every other hail marry under the sun. Also I am skeptical that this is not the result Silly Bitchell wanted. He will get to puff his chest and strut around like it's victory without having to face any definitive accountability. But at least Karl and Bitchell's case is still ongoing, so hopefully we will get a more satisfying sense of justice from those results.

[@mike81356]

The entire point of Billy suing was to silence the truth from going out and he's effectively won with not only having a settlement in a slam-dunk trial, but also even having his records show up again for him to gaslight others into proving he was right the whole time smh Karl's title is misleading af as Billy didn't lose when he's achieved his objective/goal and got away from legal repercussions

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

@@mike81356karl is even worse than Billy it seems. He just documents his every move to try to “own him” when everyone already hates him and has already forgotten he existed. Karl is the only one keeping him relevant

[@SNSomosNerds]

​​@@fulltimeslackerii8229yeah, relevant as a cheater. i think laying low and let billy talking anything he wants, a terrible thing, i think karl should speak about him

[@TeamCGS2005]

That aside, I do wish you all the best Karl against Billy. He deserves whatever is coming his way after all the crap he's put others through with his lies.

[@PrybarCommando]

Karl is a cheater too. Billy is just much more charismatic. Game recognizes game. Karl should have bowed down and got in line.

[@Justinicus24]

100% agreed. Billy always wins​@@PrybarCommando

[@Pyranafish]

salllltyyyy@@PrybarCommando

[@Pyranafish]

actually now that i think of it, your just like billy. doesnt know what research is, pretty dumb, belives anything, etc

[@biterness2323]

Cuck Jobber can’t compete. Now his free money generator is over and nobody buys his shitty cereals.

[@ygthemoth9425]

Why didn’t you mention twin galaxies’ lawyer misconduct which very likely led to the settlement?

[@TrueRazarus]

Cos Karl already has jelly legs and is lowering the bar of his own tactics to TVNEWS standarts. People are people, its only a matter of time. Karl knows how big of a win this is for billy, his old crook buddies and new ones will flock to him now and who knows what big fish might swim to Billy's help now that he has proven that he is the immortal avatar of stupid.

[@hibarikyoya854]

​@@TrueRazarus People sure are fickle he might not now that detail he might not think it's important he could've just made a mistake I recently found Karl through the completionist drama and even there he made a small error. People make mistakes

[@TheJinx64]

@@TrueRazarus”standarts” spell correctly pls

[@lalalu641]

Because it'd make Karl look bad/stupid, simple as that.

[@ezeqeel8352]

What misconduct "that very likely led to the settlement"? Last time I checked we were to stick to the facts, not empty speculations.

[@notenoughmonkeys]

When I first watched this, I thought this meant Billy had lost, but then I re-watched your video through my malfunctioning VCR, and it turns out he won on all counts. Technology is weird.

[@samuelcornwell3949]

Weird my VCR completely exonorated him too Mine has a red knob tho :?

[@Everlucky_Clover]

@@samuelcornwell3949 careful that might just be a decepticon......... vcrs arent supposed to have arcade knobs.

[@rashef]

Must be that weird law interpolation 🤔

[@Smashfan258]

@@samuelcornwell3949if it was red would you have used it??

[@Finnisher_DAD]

Mine showed Billy settled but then a college expert came and told me otherwise...

[@Kyra-qn3nh]

He literally got the best possible outcome for himself logically. He couldn't win, and he didn't lose.

[@eriklarson9137]

This should be the video title. Karl is pretending he won. Which is what so many of us hate Billy for. What a huge fail for Karl here. :(

[@migueeeelet]

Something tells me that Billy's ego won't let him get away with this. He didn't win, after all!

[@reginaldforthright805]

Billy vindicated. Gamer of the century now and forever

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

From what I understand this does still make it ok to say billy cheated. So I feel like we are still in the same place we where before.

[@Booyah]

Yeah but Karl can't say that, he's been making videos about how stupid billy mitchell is for years, he's gotta frame it in a way to not make himself look like a moron. "Billy Mitchell lost his lawsuit!!! Even though Twin Galaxies has now restored the score that I've been saying was blatant cheating for years!!!"

[@tayloris24]

What?! I was so sad because I read an article this morning that looked as if he won!! It showed he had all his high scores reinstated. How did he lose?? I wanted nothing more for him to lose and never show his face in public again

[@Beeti1]

His scores are not back on the leaderboards. They're just part of their historical database. He didn't win anything.

[@crystaljon]

Maybe you should look again. There was no "reinstatements." Twin Galaxies just added a "historical database" to show that Billy held those records at some point. TG still says he doesn't hold those records anymore, and is still banned from leaderboards. So if you want to be sad at someone, be sad at that article for spreading misinformation.

[@mamehaze]

Yes, as somebody who has worked on MAME for 25 years it's weird to see this outcome, because it was an easy homerun for Twin Galaxies, but in this case, Billy 'won' There is no doubt at all that the recordings were not from a PCB. I can't say they were from MAME, because if you were to code your own emulator it is highly likely you'd make the same mistakes we made, but they're simply not something an original PCB could output, not even with a 1/1billion hardware glitch that just happened to coincide with the exact frames in question. As I've said before, the people fighting against Billy often seem as bad as Billy himself, and with this take, Karl is putting himself in the same group. I suspect it's because he's preparing his audience for the same kind of settlement, which he will declare as a win. This was an undeserved win for Billy, even if it was meaningless historical records (I'm willing to bet Twin Galaxies aren't allowed to drop those records from their site now) Please prove me wrong Karl.

[@azrael557]

⁠His records were restored to their “historical database” which has other cheaters on it too, not their actual leaderboards.

[@mamehaze]

@@azrael557 right, but they have no place at all unless specifically marked as *disqualified* with a reason why. I don't even think he cheated, he's too stupid, cheating in the way described requires more intelligence than he has ever demonstrated. Simple fact is that (through no fault of his own at the time) his scores didn't comply to the competition rules.

[@Barbaryotaku]

Sad to hear that Billy got the result his team wanted.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Which is what? a historical acknowledgement the he once had a record which was disputed, and a massive online archive of why it was disputed, and currently his records not being recognised. How is that different to how things stood beforehand?

[@XxLeo05xX]

Basically he won.

[@XxLeo05xX]

​@@Cheepchipsableall those caveats mean nothing. His scores are back snd the people who accused him backed off the suit and have to put his scores back and they "don't want to". Twin galaxies lost.

[@suppaman12]

@@XxLeo05xXthat is not true. His scores were archived. They’re only there for the “record” They are not on an actual word record list now Big difference It’s kinda of like evidence. They have to keep it. Doesn’t mean they’re on a leader board But in a way he did win. He can claim that now

[@SaschaEderer]

I honestly think that Billy is quite happy with what he got from TG. They took the easy way out, there. Billy can use the original Leaderboard scores to maintain his lies towards some dumb circles of people.

[@NoUseForAName06]

Yeah, exactly. How does this mean he "lost" in any meaningful way? If he doesn't have to pay their legal fee, this is probably the best case scenario for him.

[@thedeadstig123]

yep TG got nothing out of this, only a wasted 4 years and a huge legal bill

[@aleksi2627]

Yeah he'll probably try.

[@ccateni28]

Billy still has his suit with Karl though.

[@InsideOutAnus]

@@NoUseForAName06 yeah I don't get this at all. Billy got to settle (and may possibly have gotten money out of the suit) and also had his scores reinstated because they were deemed by an "expert" to be legitimate despite all evidence saying otherwise.

[@EagleEric_VA]

Billy's settlement in court was the best possible result for him. This is the worst timeline.

[@Britaliope]

It's the best settlement for TG too. They save a lot of money, and people will finally stop talking about it and Billy will be forgotton as he should have been years ago. Maybe the biggest loser is Karl here, that's the end of an easy views printing machine xD

[@EJxSB]

​what are you talking about? Maybe you should do research and not relie on karl. TG lawyers commited a cardinal sin and contacted withnesses in attempt to tamper with. Billy gets to get his records reinstated which I didn't hear karl mention either. This is bullshit "journalism" this is just commentary youtube slope @@Britaliope

[@reginaldforthright805]

Why? He’s the gamer of the century and has done more for competitive gaming than anyone in history.

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

Did billy win? this settlement from what I understand does not prove he didnt cheat. only that they dont contest. meaning we are in the same place before. If billy says his score was reinstated somone could say it was along with other past cheaters.

[@eriklarson9137]

@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 What? His score was reinstated. Period. And you are correct, we are exactly where we were before the lawsuit except now Billy can claim he is right and the proof is in the lawsuit. He won, 100%.

[@ludvigthebirb7131]

Introducing Billy in every video as "self proclaimed videogame player of the century" is an amount of pettyness that I can respect. Makes me laugh every time

[@TratUsYT]

IMO and I have never met the man he is a legend. He got the high scores when nobody else could and he did this in so many games. The guy is amazing and let’s not diminish that.

[@laandormer]

Most of the peope in the comments (including myself) seem to know much more about this case then you do Karl.

[@kerwynpk]

Congus Chongus 2017, the preeminent expert witness of the defense

[@Razer5542]

The fact that TG dropped their case against Billy and threw it on a settlement is downright sad...

[@moonasha]

well there's still Karl's lawsuit :/ I don't get why TG couldn't ask for lawyer's fees after winning.

[@Razer5542]

@@moonasha I don't get why they dropped the case at all and let Billy walk away just like that... It's absolutely stupid.

[@Mephiston]

@@Razer5542 potential witness tampering is the big one here. TG's lawyer screwed up bigtime.

[@jellywillreturn]

@@Razer5542 They did so because their lawyer, David "Tash" Tashroudian, attempted to bypass the discovery process and contacted witnesses directly, in an effort to dig up more dirt on Billy and have him sanctioned. This backfired, and the judge threatened to recommend Tash for disbarment. He was forced to issue an apology for his misconduct, and days later, he settled the case with Billy. In short, Tash got greedy, and torpedoed his own case.

[@alexsawicki]

@@jellywillreturn Why the hell would he do this when the case is such a slam dunk to begin with? He didn't NEED any other help to win the case. That makes absolutely no sense to me.

[@halflight105]

This is as close to a victory as he could get in his wildest dreams. The settlement was sad.

[@yamo511]

yup

[@MattPilz]

I get that trials are expensive and the outcome is never absolutely guaranteed regardless of a case's strengths, but both sides had already invested so much money and years of time to reach this point. So I don't believe weeks of actual trial would make much of a dent in the total litigation cost, all things considered. This still feels more of a win for Billy than Twin Galaxies, caving into his claims and experts by publicly acknowledging them, leaving room for doubt that the VHS tapes are from MAME, is unfortunate.

[@KGBSpyGeorgeCostanza]

he's gonna say he won "deeply" another excuse

[@charliericker274]

​@@MattPilz dude trials are really expensive you just got to think about it from their perspective like what would they get out of it. If they won they could sue Billy for the legal costs but he doesn't have the money to pay for it so they would just be out a bunch of cash and what would they get for it, absolutely nothing.

[@garrick3727]

@@MattPilz Pre-trial is just a lawyer or two charging by the hour whenever they have to do anything. A trial is the same lawyers active all hours, plus a judge, plus various other functionaries plus the cost of the room itself. Trials are made expensive to discourage unnecessary trials because judges are limited and they have a golf swing to improve and/or a lot of port to get through. Seriously though, although a trial would have been entertaining for us, it would probably be depriving a more important case of timely resolution.

[@KyrosQuickfist]

He literally walks away unscathed from this while everyone else has been financially damaged with no repercussions. This seems like a Billy Mitchell Win (BMW) to me. Dropping the countersuit is what really YEETs justice out the window here and allows this guy to keep doing what he's doing.

[@Beeti1]

He does not. Every single person in the competitive arcade world knows he lost. His scores are not back on the leaderboards. He is still banned from Twin Galaxies. The people who don't know this, are people who don't know anything about any of this anyway, but are just here for the drama.

[@KyrosQuickfist]

Yeah, but Billy Mitchell doesn't care about the competitive arcade community lol. He cares about inflicting damage to people who threaten his image and cares about his image to people who have a casual understanding of games (where its easy to tell them anything).@@Beeti1

[@sailor5853]

Did his lawyers work for free? That's a person vs a company, do you think Billy is wealthier than TG?

[@z0mn1a]

This whole trial does nothing but show how ineffective our legal system is.

[@Xahnel]

What are you talking about? It's a civil suit. The two parties involved are who are dragging it out, not the court system.

[@diablo.the.cheater]

@@Xahnel The fact that the parties can dragg it out that way, is the fault of the system

[@Echidneys]

We're not talking about petty crimes like robbery or kidnapping or whatever, some guy falsified a high score in an arcade game and our legal system failed us! Will we ever find true justice?

[@shockwaveherp9823]

@@diablo.the.cheater Is it a fault that necessitates improving? What would you suggest to fix it? While court systems do have their issues, this is a case of the lawyers and attorneys just doing bad at their job. Court systems aren't an automated process; they are by their nature, needed to be processed through human interaction. Those human interactions need to follow various rules for a myriad of reasons, most of which are inherently for ethical purposes. This is not a case of the court system fucking up, this is just the case of human error, which is unfortunately an inevitability. As an example, actual Cases of courts being at fault for the legal issues are upfront costs and financial bullying which yes, Billy is guilty of. But the result of the case is not due to that, its due to the fact that twin galaxies's legal team made some ethical mess up in the rules, along with billy's financial team not following the rules either, and because of those human errors a logical conclusion can't be met.

[@EstiDeColiss]

@@Echidneys Seems like fraud to me, which isn't small by any means. This guy was making a lot of money by lying. If you don't understand the concept of what Bitchell did, don't comment. This guy was throwing lawsuits around to anyone saying he was a fraud, and they were right.

[@jacobscott1527]

Twin Galaxies definitely lost here. Billy got exactly what he wants. He doesn't give two shits about what people who are already against him think. He will simply twist what this settlement actually is into a proclamation of his innocence to the people that have remained by his side, and they will absolutely eat it up.

[@psonehagrid]

Wdym he didnt get his scores back hes still banned he wasted a lot of money got humiliated and might be charged with lying in court

[@Spikeelsucko]

@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN on a special board basically made specifically for sus scores, he's not actually back on the official standings

[@Obscusion2]

@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN No, they're on the "Historical Archive", i.e. TG's listing of what was on the site prior to the 2014 buyout. If you actually go to Twin Galaxies' main site you won't see Billy Mitchell's DK scores listed anywhere, for example, because they don't count due to TG's updated rules. All Billy got out of this was an acknowledgement that "Sure, they once existed", but otherwise his scores still don't count.

[@Kensuke0987]

@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN it's not. it's "back" at a page where you could also see all the other cheaters' records if you recognize them.

[@hellterminator]

@@Spikeelsucko Doesn't matter. The URL says TwinGalaxies. The banner on top doesn't even call out cheating explicitly, just briefly mentions that it's the state before "modern adjudication protocols." No one's gonna get "there are a bunch of cheated scores here" from that. He can just directly link to this page on the real Twin Galaxies domain and use it as proof and most people will believe him. That's a win.

[@mrmojorisin8752]

This video leaves out one of the most important points: TG’s lawyer bungled the case and was on the hook for misconduct (improper communication with a witness or some such ), and that had much to do with the out of court settlement. This info should NOT have been left out.

[@Blitnock]

Agreed. It would also be nice to know who those lawyers are, if for no other reason, than to be able to avoid them.

[@jellywillreturn]

@@Blitnock The lawyer who acted improperly was David "Tash" Tashroudian, who Karl praised in his previous coverage of the case. Oddly enough, Karl made no mention of him in this video, nor the potential sanctions he was facing, making it seem like the settlement came out of nowhere.

[@kylegonewild]

Can you prove it had anything to do with settling? A lawyer being reprimanded for misconduct doesn't mean they were suddenly in a terrible position with the case. 99% of these kinds of cases end in settlement. Speculation about why they settled is meaningless without a statement from TG.

[@galois6569]

Where did you hear about this. Can you please give a link?

[@jellywillreturn]

@@galois6569 Links are often deleted on KZbin, but a more objective and factual description of the settlement can be found on Ars Technica, under the title "Twin Galaxies restores Billy Mitchell’s scores following legal settlement".

[@xoeleox2079]

It should also be noted the "Historical Database" created as part of the settlement also includes all of Todd Rogers' the provably impossible scores, so it's almost the exact opposite of an admission of fault on Twin Galaxies' part. "under previous administrative standards" lol

[@dp6921]

Calling his lawyers "evil" is a bit of a stretch. I take your point, but at the end of the day he's paying them to defend him. It's their job to do so.

[@Xahnel]

Billy is the plaintiff in this case. He's paying them to attack, not defend.

[@MajoradeMayhem]

@@Xahnel Indeed. Everyone deserves a competent defence, but it doesn't follow that it's ethical to back up a deluded egomaniac as he sues the entire world.

[@fudgethenumbers]

Karl purposely didn't give us all the facts. Twin Galaxies' lawyer, David Tashroudian, contacted two of Mitchell's witnesses outside of official court proceedings, which is considered legal misconduct and is probably the reason they settled. Of course, Tashroudian asked the court to impose sanctions on Billy for allegedly lying while evidence was being gathered (as Jobst has covered). Crucially, ARS Technica reports: "A hearing on both Mitchell and Tashroudian's alleged actions was scheduled for later this week; Tashroudian could still face referral to the State Bar for his misconduct." So, there you have it. I'm no legal expert, but it sounds like Twin Galaxies' lawyer screwed up and put them in a position where they had to settle, and/or he wanted to cover his own ass. I understand Karl not wanting to throw Twin Galaxies' lawyer under the bus, and perhaps it's in Karl's best interest not to. But that's the part he left out. Also, Billy already tweeted that his scores have been reinstated. He's treating it like a victory.

[@madawcofarreat2348]

Did the TG lawyer feed Karl sensitive info behind the scenes? Kinda sus.

[@Jh9801]

Thanks for detailing. Carl's whole schtick is often "this person lied, therefore they cannot be trusted". Leaving out this kind of information does him no favours and In my books loses him a lot of credibility.

[@ASt27]

I always valued Karl for his great, trustworthy in depth explanations. Sad to read that he didn't report the situation in all details. Absolutely agree with the others here that it's not a loss for Billy but more of a win. I hope Karl is going to make that up and clarify everything in a follow up video.

[@LSGaming42066]

after karl's lawsuit TG will void the settlement and refile for fraud and it'll be a cake walk for TG. all they will do is point to karl's lawsuit with billy as proof he cheated. sure TG messed up with the txt's but they can come back and refile again since their will be already a verdict against billy proving in court he cheated.

[@Dolkarr]

His whole coverage of this case has been heavily skewed since the beginning. It's just that for most of the time, the truth aligned with what he wanted to say.

[@accel738]

don't let your lawyer cock this up as bad as TG's did.

[@eriklarson9137]

Psst. Spoiler. Karl's case will get dropped too. Wait and see. It may be 5 years but wait and see.

[@shapowlow]

@@eriklarson9137 yep. That's what it feels like now. Billy has the momentum and can probably refer to this case to provide enough doubts. Karl has painted the story as if it's a home run yet this is what happened. Now I wonder if it really goes well in his lawsuit as he claims it to be. TG essentially ate their own shit and conceded to Billy's demand. Just putting him in the archives sounds like a weak compromise to make TG feel they still won their share of the pie.

[@spitfiremanlizerd]

The lawyers who take on dumb internet cases like this are bottom of the barrel and simply not interested / informed enough to really understand what this even is. This and Ty Beard has shown me that random anons will do a much better job than these incompetent lawyers.

[@RCG3.]

​@shapowlow this happened because a lawyer did something they shouldn't have. This isn't going to help his case against Karl

[@Zero-.-]

@@shapowlow A settlement can't be used as a precedent, dummy.

[@user-zu8vc5ef6w]

Nice video overall but I didn't like the notion that lawyers should stop defending him because they know he is guilty and a bad person. This is not how the justice works. Lawyers professionally protect the person in his case against other professionals so the balance in the court would be preserved.

[@user-zu8vc5ef6w]

@@TrainerLanden There is a chance a lawyer can shorten killer's sentence. If he really shortens the sentence even when the case is so bad somebody might want to hire this lawyer in the future. Although I do agree that lawyers would just give up if the defendant outright sabotages all the efforts.

[@speedytruck]

Lol, Twin Galaxy didn't settle because it would cost them "hundreds of thousands of dollars." They settled because their lawyers committed a crime. You should know better and be more objective.

[@davidjsaul]

He settled out of court with Twin Galaxies. I'd say that's pretty much a win for him, unfortunately, as he will continue to bully others as he's got away with this, essentially.

[@DeejValen]

A shame that the TG lawyer made a major error in contacting his witnesses which might lead to a disbarment. Was hoping it'd go before a jury.

[@platyhelminthes2877]

Wow. I know that's usually the way things go with corporations, but still, it's incredibly disappointing to hear. they had Billy by the throat. They would have trounced him in court.

[@youtube-kit9450]

This isn't even a settlement. Billy had to give up literally nothing and admit nothing and nothing happened to him while TG had to give him an entry in their historical website. Having such an insane amount of evidence against Mitchell to have him caught on fraud, lying under oath and all that jazz is nothing but a crushing, embarassing defeat to withdraw now. Cuz as you said, there's nothing to stop him from continuing. So yeah, unless Karl actually just destroys him, nothing happened to him except wasting a bunch of money that now, nothing having happened, was completely wasted while Billy basically got everything he wanted to , an entry on TG's website he can continue to use for fraud and claim "see, I am a video game champ, hence why the lawsuit against me didn't bear fruit and I'm still on the website".

[@thedeadstig123]

It is a victory for him, he got what he wanted with his scores back on the website which he'll now claim are real as he always claimed...he got what he wanted and twin galaxies get nothing except a wasted 4 years and a huge legal bill

[@PeteQuad]

I don't know if getting those scores as a link on the website was worth all that lawyer money he paid. Especially with no retractions or damages.

[@bakk02]

Yeah I dunno let's not fool ourselves here this is an absolute victory for Billy. He'll spin his scores being "reinstated" as a positive in no time and parade this around as insufferably as ever before.

[@scottmccrea1873]

In no was is it a victory. Not on any level. Did he get a jury verdict in his favor? Did TG admit his records were legit? None of that happened. He lost here. Totally.

[@bakk02]

​@@scottmccrea1873 Those are all really fun things that people who already know that he's a clown can laugh about but to anyone else he has faced no consequences and I have already seen headlines to the effect of "Twin Galaxies restores Billy Mitchells scores following settlement" which is everything he would want people to think was the actual outcome of this. Reality does not matter to him in this, only what he can make use of and this settlement is just full of things he can use. I bet that he's absolutely over the moon with this result.

[@theguruguys]

And with the dispute thread with hundreds of pages of REAL expert testimony and evidence gone, he will point to his expert witness testimony which 'TG Acknowledges' instead. What crap.

[@scottmccrea1873]

@bakk02 he's definitely stupid enough to think this. He made an accusation and failed to prove it. It's an L period.

[@bakk02]

​@@scottmccrea1873 He gets to go around and say that he got his scores reinstated, most people wont care that there's asterisk to that statement, and he gets to point at how TG has acknowledged his bullshit Expert which gives him fake credibility. Like, totally legit question, what's the L? What has he lost here besides looking foolish to people who have thought he looked foolish for decades already.

[@DLuxProductions]

Twin Galaxies really dropped the ball on this one. This is a huge win for Billy Mitchell.

[@jk844100]

How? He didn’t get anything out of it and he’s executed himself multiple times in the court of public opinion. He’s a proven cheater and a proven pathological lier. Outside of the completely delusional Billy ball shiners he’s completely finished.

[@Beeti1]

Not really. The people who understand the arcade record competition, knows his records are not back and not approved.

[@Akatsuki69387]

"Huge win" is a pretty big overstatement considering he settled. Remember, he sued them for defamation, and this settlement doesn't get him anything you would want from a defamation case. Even one that ends in a settlement. If he had something even remotely close to a real case, a part of the settlement would have, at the very least, been to publicly clear his name and reinstate his records as legitimate. Billy got neither.

[@KaeYoss]

The American court system is crap. The way you have to pay for your lawyer whether you win or lose means that big corpos or really rich people can just do what they want to people not rich enough to wage a legal battle.

[@derpaholic_rex756]

a lot of the time, the losing side does end up having to pay for both lawyers, but its a risk. Because winning does not guarantee this, and you might lose the case. So even though a good % of the time only the loser pays in the end, people don't want to risk it (and you need funds up front to make that gamble)

[@ChimpFromSpace]

I've heard a statistic, I can't verify it, but it's believable, that despite just having around 5% of the word's population, the United States has something like 70% of the world's lawyers.

[@theflyisaspy7691]

@@derpaholic_rex756 The big problem with this though is that during the entire case both sides still have to pay their lawyers. The loser may get their expenses paid if they win, but they have to have the money to pay their lawyer to get that far.

[@leikeylosh]

That was absolutely a win for Mitchell. Even if Mitchell's records are in a "throwback" section on TG's website and not officially recognized by them, they are still there and Mitchell is going to use that as proof that he didn't cheat on everyone gullible enough to believe his lies. In other words, nothing changed. In the eyes of the law, he's not a cheater. I hope Karl's lawsuit can change that.

[@nasanasax3757]

If it is in Archive (non official) and no longer on the Live one conclusion is he cheated !!!

[@Slimmeyy]

@@nasanasax3757 Anyone that would come to that conclusion already knows he cheated. Everyone else already ignored mountains of evidence to get to this point, so they will not come to this conclusion.

[@themeangene]

Karl is now going to lose the lawsuit. A court is going to see that TG settled with Billy and it will drastically help his case.

[@leikeylosh]

@@themeangene Exactly what I think it's going to happen. Unfortunately.

[@dack42]

They should add another column to the historical database, with a link to the current database for each row. In the ones that have been removed, replace the link with something like "Removed (Cheating)". That way, he's still listed in the historical database, it's easier to compare historical to current, and it's easy to see why entries were removed.

[@emilyofjane]

Given that Billy Mitchell is a serial plaintiff, this is essentially letting him off the hook, which is unacceptable. The only way to stop him is with financial repercussions. Shame on TG for giving up this easily.

[@ab7483]

It's easy to say that with other peoples money and time. I can't be mad. Clearly, we need law changes to address people like Billy but it isn't TG's fault we have to deal with a broken expensive, time consuming system and them wanting to bail might make the most sense to them regardless of what we would have liked.

[@darthblood37]

Twin galaxies was going to lose.

[@KainYusanagi]

@@darthblood37 No, they weren't. At worst, they were in need of replacing their lawyer for his own shit actions that almost got him disbarred, which they could easily use as reasonable grounds to reduce or even dismiss lawyer fees.

[@darthblood37]

@@KainYusanagi the case was settled TG lost. Any hypothetical situation brought up is baseless and a waste of bandwidth.

[@kaposts2]

Calm down Billy ​@@darthblood37

[@soryuushi]

I’m not actually happy about this outcome because 1. now Billy will totally claim he won since his scores were reinstated and 2. he will explain the settlement away as a court formality and show the leaderboard as proof at every chance he gets. I hope your suit actually ends in a true loss for him, because we’re going to be stuck with him forever at this rate.

[@glibfacsimile]

That would still be a lie, its on a historical record board, not the current one.

[@Beeti1]

He can claim what he wants. Every person in the arcade world knows his scores are not reinstated and he is still banned from Twin Galaxies. The rest don't know anything about any of this anyway, but are just here for the drama.

[@markcharlet1229]

This is certainly a take. A settlement is the appeasement of both sides. Obviously Billy was appeased with the archive being visible, so in some respects he wins….but spin it to get the most clicks.

[@curioustrout]

I love you Karl, but I came here hoping to hear about Billy Mitchell losing his Lawsuit, and this isn't that.

[@Kantcino]

the video is infused with insane amounts of copium, an out of court settlement in a case grossly unfounded like this one should have been easy pickings for twin galaxies, but from what I read in other comments seems like they did it to avoid a dumpster fire due to misconduct from tg´s own lawyer

[@radaf4429]

Yeah Karl is a sensationalist, this is getting a little disingenuous

[@radaf4429]

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if he strikes the wrong iron one of these days and loses all credibility

[@Xyler94]

@@radaf4429 Nobody won really. Settlements are just a "okay, we'll drop this". Tash screwed up, but if Mitchel wants to Sue Karl still, he'll have to prove without a shadow of a doubt that he didn't cheat. He can't just say "well, my scores are back" because that's not a good enough. So unless he wants to settle with Karl, he'll have to go through with this. Plus, Karl has all the evidence he needs to defend himself. And in the case of Defamation specifically, Billy will have to show that Karl Lied with malicious intent.

[@JonSmith-hk1bq]

@@Xyler94 Mitchell doesn't have to prove he didn't cheat in his case with Karl. That's not what that suit is about.

[@Willlby]

When the evidence against Billy is so overwhelming, any concession such as reinstating his scores, no matter in what capacity, is a defeat for gamers and TG. I feel, like I'm certain many others do, absolutely saddened and let down by this result. Good luck with your case Karl.

[@scottmccrea1873]

It's not though. In any way, whatever lies Mitchell tells himself. The only way for him to win was a jury verdict in his favor or TG's concession they were wrong. Neither of those things happened. My guess? Mitchell's family is tired of paying for his bullshit legal fees. They cut him off. Ergo, settlement.

[@ninjafrog6966]

they didn’t reinstate his scores though. they just put them on their historical archive on their website. his scores on the official leaderboard are still gone

[@MrOliverGoo]

@@ninjafrog6966 you just wait how Billy will use this fact

[@scottmccrea1873]

@ninjafrog6966 and that's the _only_ thing Mitchell cared about was being officially no. 1. He did not get that. That's an L. Period.

[@SuperMoppii]

@@ninjafrog6966He’s already tweeting about his grand victory, that his „records are now reinstated“, fishing likes and acclaim from the uninformed

[@tcuegonbear]

I love your stuff man, but no mention of the shady stuff TG's lawyer pulled? The stuff that undermined the case and led to Billy getting the settlement he wanted/needed? Not going to address that?

[@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070]

Yeah something is off. This whole video seems like propaganda, unless Karl had a HUGE oversight which I don't believe

[@blazaybla22]

@@myweirdsecondchannelwithap9070I think he’s just a bit delusional

[@darkguardian1314]

Mitchell just had his scores reinstated. How did he lose... I'm no fan of Mitchell but did he really lose? Reason is that the Donkey Kong board components are very old and aging and subject to irregular operations. Mitchell hired an electronic engineer to testify to this effect. But, any engineer will tell you the the same thing. These are low grade consumer level components using IPC standard construction..not military or NASA certified parts. Leaky caps, aged solder joints, thermal damaged chips, decomposing PCB... Not to mention, these gaming units were never designed to operate in today's environment of WiFi, Bluetooth, cellphones, and GPS signals. It's a compromise.

[@Kevaca]

He did lose, it's not going on the main board, it's going on a historical board, for the liars (it also has Todd Roggers on dragster, with his fully impossible score) Billy probably paid the professor to get him to claim that it could be on real hardware, when everyone who knows how the renderer works, knows it can't, even if it degraded thousands of times worse than it should be able to

[@0zNIE]

For all his flaws, i wish Apollo Legend could have seen this too. Great work Karl, your resolve is infectious and its great having you as a pillar in the speed running community and the hobby as a whole.

[@bobdobalena1760]

RIP Apollo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@ImNotDragoon]

who's Apollo Legend again? PLEASE STOP I KNOW NOW

[@theSato]

true.

[@justinsalomon3760]

@@ImNotDragoonhe was a content creator that made videos like Karl but killed himself in 2020

[@ekofever827]

@@ImNotDragoonhe was a guy who made videos talking about speedrun cheaters but he went off the deep end and started blaming other KZbinrs for his suicide which he written in a note.

[@bucky5869]

I was certain that once he lost the case with Twin Galaxies that the rest of the lawsuits would fall like dominoes. Turns out TG sabotaged that for everyone else.

[@BuckAhkee]

Not necessarily. Settling a lawsuit doesn’t mean legally mean the lawsuit had merit.

[@doom4067]

The first time he loses in court, it's all over.

[@Patrick.Weightman]

Twin Galaxies was the defense, not prosecution. I don't think you understand how trials work. Their *_O N L Y_* other option would've been to settle from the get-go, which would've looked infinitely worse for them.

[@MozTS]

Billy won

[@BuckAhkee]

@@MozTS if you file a lawsuit and didn’t get any of the things you wanted, by definition you lost.

[@inventiveusername5191]

You know what, I'm going to come out with it: I agree with Karl. This is not, in any meaningful sense, a win for Billy. TG still have him banned from their main leaderboard for cheating, and he has now accepted that state of affairs as part of a legal settlement. Billy Mitchell's letter to TG demanded that they "retract their statement" that he cheated, which they emphatically did not do.. Yes Billy is on a leaderboard but, if I understand the situation correctly, that leaderboard by definition pays no heed to whether the player is later found to have cheated. For example, we could find out tomorrow, conclusively, beyond all possible doubt, that Hank S Chien's 1,138,600 was cheated, with Hank himself agreeing with that conclusion, and Hank would remain on the same leaderboard as Billy. Being on the leaderboard Billy is on, therefore, says nothing whatsoever about the legitimacy of his scores. What Billy gets is to say the exact words "they reinstated my scores". However, he does not get to say "the court ruled that I didn't cheat" because he accepted a settlement in which he explicitly remains banned for cheating. He has, moreover, actively failed to defend his position that TG's claims that he cheated were defamatory. This protects his ego. Slightly. That is, however, literally all it does.

[@NitroDS]

i was half zooned out when i heard the sponsor section go "I like it frosted and fruity" and I bursted out laughing with how that sounded lmaoooooo

[@gfdggdfgdgf]

So one could say.... Billy cheated his way out of the lawsuit But honestly, I don't see how this could be viewed as anything else than a win for Billy

[@themeangene]

Karl is no longer going to win his trial now. The settlement will help Billy in even single trial. Now the law is on Billy's side whether we agree with it or not

[@fruxo4218]

@@themeangene What the actual fuck are you even talking about? His lawyers forced him to settle, not because of the law. What the fuck are you yappin about?

[@lothar71]

@@themeangene I think you have no clue what your talking about. Billy is still banned. Karl is going to win his trial. Billy still looks terrible. Todd Rogers is on the archived leaderboard to. This doesn't help billy at all.

[@Xyler94]

@@themeangene He can easily win the lawsuit. Because the lawsuit isn't about the scores, it's about whether Billy Cheated. So if he still plans on going after Karl, he'll have to prove 1 - He didn't cheat, 2 - Karl knew this and 3 - Karl acted maliciously against Billy. Those are three hard things to argue when there's tons of evidence against. This settlement isn't a victory, it's essentially a draw.

[@luiseneas]

​@@themeangene an out of court settlement can only influence the settled case itself, not the facts that can influence other cases.

[@kubectldelete]

This is very anticlimactic and isn't even really a loss for Billy. I love you Karl but the video title is a bit misleading.

[@coolcat23]

What do you mean "a bit" misleading? It is very misleading. If one party can refer to a settlement as a "loss" of the other party then Mitchell can now claim "TG lost", can't he? If he did it, would you also call that "a bit" misleading? I'd say no matter who misrepresents a settlement as a "loss" of the other party is spreading misinformation and damages their own credibility.

[@Buttersaemmel]

feels like a show with 10 seasons of pure build up just for the villian to suddenly die from an heartattack in the last episode...

[@h.g.762]

Nah, it's Game of Thrones and TG is the night king, karl will be true final boss

[@laurenmp7486]

@@coolcat23 the thing with settlements is that legally no one has won and it's not unusual for both sides to claim they came out ahead.

[@troodon1096]

@@laurenmp7486 A tie is a win for the defendant and a loss for the plaintiff.

[@canofpizzasauce667]

Ok, I'm seeing a lot of comments here saying how Billy Mitchell didn't "lose" the lawsuit and that this "is the best outcome for him" and I want to give my two cents. Billy Mitchell was definitley going to lose this lawsuit if it was taken to court, there's no doubting that. So the settlement was to basically not drag this whole thing out. Billy hasn't won. This may have been a favorable outcome for him, sure, but he hasn't won. Because of this lawsuit, pretty much everyone is in agreement that he cheated his scores and lied about it. So I don't think Billy will be trying to go around claiming innocence and saying the runs were real, because barely anyone belives what the guy says anymore. This was a favorable outcome for him, but not the best.

[@youseenednedisdead]

this case was completely obvious. it should've been open and shut. he was caught lying nonstop. the fact that he was able to get a settlement and get a stupid webpage dedicated to him despite EVERYTHING is a testament to how lucky and slimy this man is. it is the BEST possible outcome because its already insanely unbelivable that he even got this far with all the evidence against him. im sorry to say that, given the circumstances, he did indeed win

[@TheNiteinjail]

Probably the closest thing to a win Billy was ever going to get .... if he quietly said I'm satisfied and shut up everyone could stop laughing at him .... but Billy comes along and claims it's a win ... leaving him open to all the same humiliation all over again. enjoy your continuing shame Billy!

[@johnglidewell9963]

No Billy won he got reinstated. What planet do you live on??

[@gamecrazymatt]

@@johnglidewell9963 _Goes directly to Twin Galaxies' website_ .....Nnnnnope, don't see a "Billy" in top scores here. _Yawns_ Obvious troll is obvious.

[@Dac_vak]

Congratulations, Billy! Couldn’t have happened to a better guy! 🎉

[@afropuffguru]

I’m CACKLING 😂😂😂

[@legacytag]

Truly

[@NinjaOfLU]

I'm glad he's finally getting the recognition he deserves!

[@TrackpadProductions]

Billy is 100% going to try to find a way to frame this as a victory for him.

[@jwn411]

Or nicer

[@supersardonic1179]

Gonna be honest. This doesn't really sound like a loss for Billy. He got the records reinstated, settled out of court and is going to go back to living off of his chain of restaurants. Yeah, he lost in the court of public opinion and is a meme on the internet but he got he wanted and isn't really any worse of than when he started. Kind of anticlimactic.

[@stinghouseproductions8502]

For real.

[@AmazingJeeves]

What restaurants are these, so I can make sure never to eat there?

[@supersardonic1179]

@@AmazingJeeves Rickey's Restaurant. Don't worry, they're mostly based in Florida anyway.

[@laurensb1b]

i swear most of the comments are just reacting to the title and the clickbait thumbnail, they're not reading what actually happened here.

[@alienrenders]

The records aren't reinstated.

[@KaiTenSatsuma]

4:15 - "He didn't cheat, he was using a compromised cabinet" is the most hilarious edge-case argument for why it isn't *technically cheating* - He just happened to find the one cabinet that malfunctioned in EXACTLY THE WAY HE NEEDED IT TO and weswearhedidn'tmodifyityoucan'tproveanything

[@sneed3840]

How did it malfunction exactly the way he needed it to? What evidence do you have that malfunctions benefitted his gameplay can you prove to a legal standard that he cheated? You aren't as intelligent as you think you are

[@sneed3840]

How did it malfunction exactly the way he needed it to? What evidence do you have that malfunctions benefitted his gameplay can you prove to a legal standard that he cheated? You aren't as intelligent as you think you are

[@KaiTenSatsuma]

@@sneed3840 Well, it's a pretty simple concept that anyone who isn't retarded should easily recognize: You can't go for a record using a non-standard or modified game or cabinet. Even if you want to argue that Billy just *_happened_* to find a cabinet that was acting in just this sort of way - completely unlike any other standard configured one - it wouldn't have been valid for the attempt. Technically this means even if he was playing on a machine that didn't benefit his gameplay or made it more difficult, it wouldn't be a valid attempt.

[@fabiosonhandogrande1697]

​​@@sneed3840I think you didn't quite pay attention to the comment or tone. If the latter's true, I couldn't really blame ya, except for the fact you threw out an insult

[@buffbear7890]

10:49 lol someone subbed to the patreon with the name billy mitchel

[@yrobtsvt]

Settlement is frustrating, but it's fantastic that he's still gonna lose to you.

[@v4skunk739]

You need to google what happened.

[@tzvikrasner6073]

​@@v4skunk739You need to do that as well. His scores weren't reinstated. TG put up a "historical" page with the revoked scores.

[@G4RYWithaFour]

@@tzvikrasner6073 regardless, from a legal and ego standpoint an out-of-court settlement is essentially just "im bribing my way out of guilt". his filibuster strategy worked. I hope Karl won't be so willing to just let it be.

[@PatsArcade]

Karl is delusional... He is losing his cow, going to have to find other content to milk.

[@folkloreofbeing]

​@@PatsArcade Pfft! You think billy is going to be quiet after this? No way, he's got wee man syndrome, he'll still be content for a long while.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

He didn't lose. It was a draw. The only worse outcome would've been a straight up win given by a judge. His tactic of delaying worked perfectly.

[@abluefishh8402]

It kinda seems like a win for Billy he gets his score on the website not on the current board but you can still view his score on the website which is what he wants

[@abluefishh8402]

@@LieutenantVague true

[@JayceCH.]

American court of law ladies and gents.

[@rashira9610]

He may not have lost in a court of law but he lost in the court of public opinion, and that's gonna hurt him far more than a legal loss will, due to his ego.

[@UberTombLord]

Yep

[@morgen3369]

"Billy mitchell can't escape me" lmao what a chad.

[@AlexLococo]

I'm still hurt for what he did to Apollo. I hope this lawsuit arrives with the full force of the law...

[@washoywa]

it makes me sad and mad

[@Beeti1]

He is not responsible for what happened to Apollo.

[@AlexLococo]

@@Beeti1 he is not but 100% influenced into his choice.

[@washoywa]

@@Beeti1 he 98% accountable for.

[@Beeti1]

@@washoywa - Nonsense.

[@foxglovelove8379]

It's disappointing that the legal system is so prohibitively expensive that people default to settling out of court. Even with financial loss, it allows people to get away without officially being held accountable.

[@griffen34]

Don't you mean corrupt?

[@retsamyar]

the alt in much the world is even less then that. could we do better, of course, but we could be doing much much worse.

[@KaiserMattTygore927]

@@retsamyar I'd rather we do much better than go on about how random parts of the world have it worse. kinda tired of that weird line of thinking.

[@foxglovelove8379]

​@@griffen34 those aren't mutually exclusive

[@iamfukked7064]

@@retsamyar What is the point of you saying that?

[@thepunisherxxx6804]

You failed to mention how Twin Galaxies lawyers got emotional and went overboard in court, profusely apologizing to the Judge, and that Billy was threatening to report him to the board. That certainly played a factor in the settlement. As much as I want him to lose this wasn't a loss. He got what he wanted. He can pull up that site and board and show it and 9/10 people aren't going to care its an archive.

[@2toes209]

Yep and that 1/10 person is billy😂😂

[@mikester619gaming4]

but then again, 10 out of 10 people dont give a shit either about a game from 40 years ago

[@BainesMkII]

He doesn't even need to pull up the site. All he has to say is that Twin Galaxies reinstated his scores after his expert witness proved his case; the vast majority of people won't look any further than that.

[@wiiztec]

"went overboard in court" I thought the case never went to trial "billy was threatening to report him to the board" report who? what board?

[@NewMitchell-wh3fj]

What board lol

[@Robert00118]

He recently deleted that Twitter post claiming to have had his scores reinstated because he got butthurt nobody was falling for it.

[@SD965]

Is "lost" really the correct depiction of what happened? Your thumbnail and title say, "lost," but they reached a settlement. If you're in an argument to make your point, but you reach a compromise to end the conflict, does that really mean you "lost" the argument? I don't think so. I'm not defending Billy, just I dislike clickbait tactics.

[@marvelprince]

Doesn’t seem like he lost. This is the best he could’ve hoped for given the evidence. TG really should’ve made an example out of him

[@Mngalahad]

It almost seems more legitimate for it to be in an old registry. They could make a disclaimer that the database is full of fraudulent records at least and this is just a log.

[@mikester619gaming4]

Easier said than done. Why dont you fork over money to TG for their attorneys so that they can continue.

[@ironrobinlandscaping8209]

People don't seem to understand how expensive these things are lmao

[@sippingthepeachsoda]

@@mikester619gaming4court is usually a game to run through the other persons money and considering billy mitchel was already in debt, it wouldn’t be hard to force him to plead

[@nahcuh9140]

He sued them for defamation and they responded by making merch mocking him? Doesn’t really seem like a win for me 😂 he sued to try clear his name and now he’s just being mocked more lol

[@nabieladrian]

I can't believe convicted fraudster can happily walk away just because people don't have money to charge them into justice. Sick world.

[@tysnow9524]

I mean the completionist is still making content as well so that icky feeling is more then justified.

[@archeryan8404]

Vote blue. Oh wait, you meant billy huh?

[@Scaramouche122]

such is life

[@hv1225]

This was a civil suit?

[@angrydachshund]

It's because America doesn't have loser-pays yet.

[@natmarelnam4871]

Being a university professor doesn't mean you're smart, right or representing the University. This is something we all need to remember. Universities want to teach perspectives and sometimes that includes outrageous opinions with no legitimate value. Being a professor means the University thought you could make them some money - they are companies that sell a product.

[@bkrich]

7:31 "literally all he has is some Professor saying that maybe just maybe his arcade machine malfunctioned three times over 6 years in a way that perfectly matches MAME" LOL

[@klafbang]

This is 100% a win for Billy. If TG's lawyer hadn't decided go after witnesses ruining their case, TG could have won (probably still could), and Billy would have official records of being a cheater. Now, he can continue claiming he never cheated.

[@keithworthing7038]

They went after witnesses??

[@lw8882]

@@keithworthing7038 dude got dragged over the coals for contacting witnesses outside of court proceedings cause he got over zealous about proving falsified evidence and ignored proper procedure.

[@klafbang]

@@keithworthing7038 google the article "Notorious arcade gamer Billy Mitchell settles suit over Donkey Kong world record" (don't think I can link to it)

[@cyxceven]

We have literal photos and video of him cheating. What do you mean there's no records? In the court of public opinion, nobody likes the dude because he's a cheater. He lost years ago.

[@klafbang]

@@cyxceven that has been our opinion for years. Billy can claim he won (did you see his press release? he very much did) and link to the archived TG site as proof. Nobody outside turbo nerds (including myself here) will ever know he didn’t.

[@olivergilmartin]

Comes across as a bit of a win for Billy because this is literally the absolute best outcome he could have hoped for. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@themeangene]

Yep and now he can use this to win against Karl.

[@liam6170]

@themeangene how can he use this to win against Karl?

[@dsandoval9396]

🤦🏽‍♂️ Do everyone a favor and stop using words you don't know the definition of. This is _LITERALLY_ not "literally the absolute best outcome he could hope for". The "LITERAL absolute best outcome he could hope for " is the judge ruling in his favor COMPLETELY. _THAT'S_ "literally" the absolute best outcome for Billy. Literally LITERALLY means actually. As in "this is what happened". Not figuratively. Not metaphorically. It really, actually, happened. You don't say "I literally died when someone was shooting at me" because then you'd literally be dead. "LITERALLY the absolute best outcome for Billy" is LITERALLY the judge 100% ruling in Billy's favor. And that's _exactly_ not what happened.😂

[@lmcgregoruk]

Literally has been used to mean both Literally and it's opposite for over 200 years. @@dsandoval9396

[@kurtpittman7225]

Maybe not a win but the best loss he could hope for.

[@core17]

Billy's hair looks like it was rendered by AI

[@Aaron-st2pm]

"Because im sure you're wondering if Billy settled, did he win" No. The title is literally "Billy Mitchell Lost His Lawsuit" smh

[@harska]

In all honesty, Billy won more than he lost, and Twin Galaxies lost more than they won. It is a sad outcome since it leaves everyone in a position that they can continue claiming whatever they were claiming before and during the process.

[@LSGaming42066]

billy is still suing karl. TG knows karl can prove in court billy cheated, once karl wins TG will just refile for fraud, void any settlement with billy and win without even trying at that point

[@jonw7166]

@@LSGaming42066 Im sorry, but Karl says alot of shit without really understanding what he is saying. I like him, but he's not a legal expert, nor is he even correct in alot of the stuff he says regarding the law.

[@reginaldforthright805]

Billy vindicated. Gamer of the century now and forever

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

I dunno. I'd call it a Pyrrhic victory at best. At the end of the day, he wasted a ton of time, blew a ton of money, made himself out to be absolute clown shoes to the whole world, is only known as "that douchebag who runs around suing people over a 40 year old video game", and in the end what did he get? Some token support from some fans, a couple of smug social media posts, and the award equivalent to a cookie for his efforts. You know that meme of the crying guy wearing the smug mask, whatever it's called? He's basically just that. Really, the only thing he accomplished was making "Gamer of the Century" a colloquialism for "cheater".

[@pleasedontwatchthese9593]

I think people can still say billy cheated, it was never proven he didn't. So in a way we are where we left off with a he said he said

[@djmulder]

I stand behind the ppl saying the same. This is not a loss for him, this is purely a victory. Twin Galaxies opened the door for Billy to pursue his suing of random ppl calling him a fraud, he can now refer to the internet archive

[@BuckAhkee]

All the internet archive proves is that at one point he had scores on a leaderboard (something that is factually true). It doesn’t actually support the claim he didn’t cheat.

[@djmulder]

@@BuckAhkee you and I (and quite a few others) know that it doesn't support the claim.. but he will still be able to use it. With the right judge at the right time (and seeing his lawyers) he will still be able to screw over ppl

[@pacmonster066]

​@@BuckAhkeeI mean yes and no. By restoring Billy's scores in the archive it undoes the reason they were removed in the first place. Yes, he's banned from the present day scoreboard but not everybody follows all of the drama. To an interested party just looking at old high scores it would appear that Billy's scores were legit along with all the other people.

[@BuckAhkee]

@@djmulder not sure how, considering courts recognize information can become outdated. A historical archive is not a present accounting of legitimate scores.

[@BuckAhkee]

@@pacmonster066 to someone with no knowledge of video games or of score keeping, perhaps. That being said, it’s not gonna fly in a courtroom.

[@stefanfuerst8485]

I dont know however i look at it the Title is a flat out lie. A settlement isnt equal to defeat but i guess "they settled" wouldnt have brought in enough clicks.

[@Cheepchipsable]

Well Billy didn't get what he wanted, or else he would have went to court - most people would consider not getting what you wanted as a loss. Unless I am mistaken he wanted his record reinstated, which he didn't get, just a historic acknowledgement he once held a record which is disputed, and he is still banned from TG. How was this a win again?

[@redundant6972]

I don't get it. Doesn't this mean he kind of wins? He got his records reinstated, 'historical database' or not. They both settled. Billy got exactly what he wanted. Sure he wasted money but he had the money to burn.

[@bobchipman4473]

Yeah. Karl is unfortunately kind of coping. He didn't really go into detail in how Twin Galaxy's lawyer messed and kind of threw the case.

[@yesterdaysjam2405]

​@@bobchipman4473 yeah as much as I like Karl, this doesn't sound like a win for either side.

[@m.r.5676]

Yeah, this kinda spoils Karl's whole documentation of this lawsuit.

[@thedeadstig123]

It is a victory for him, he got what he wanted with his scores back on the website which he'll now claim are real as he always claimed...he got what he wanted and twin galaxies get nothing except a wasted 4 years and a huge legal bill

[@thedeadstig123]

Tash didn't mess up though, the judge was just a total idiot @@bobchipman4473

[@ChicCanyon]

This is a huge win for Mitchel. He escaped trial. He's pleased by this result.

[@zjones9876]

I have to admit when I first read that press release I assumed he was being reinstated not that a "wayback" was being added to the website and got angry at that so thank you for the clarification.

[@chielvoswijk9482]

I hold a bachelor in electrical engineering and spent a lot of time researching the 8-bit era of computing (mostly the 6502 era of arcades, consoles and computers like the NES, Atari2600 and C64). The odds of this kind of "malfunction" in such computing devices or a VCR misrecording reality in a way this is possible. is pretty much non-existent. I absolutely DESPISE this "is old tech, is just malfunctioning" excuse. These devices were built like tanks and rarely if ever just "Glitch" out. They can bug out due to a programming error, but actual computation errors causing glitches? They'd just break and "kill" the game outright constantly.... Guy is a crook and got a miracle thrown his way by TG's lawyer apparantly screwing up.

[@sydtopia]

I understand what you are saying. If you have a read of what the expert is saying he presents all these problems. Everything from using long play instead of standard play, reduced frame rate, converting board, not erasing tapes before use, multiple copies of tapes. That is a lot of problems before you never look at the video. I think most people have not even seen the original videos. They are lock Ness monster quality at best. The expert is attacking pretty hard the quality of the recording saying artefacts can occur. Which is true. However, then making the jump to they occur more often than can be accouted for randomly is going to be harder than people think. A jury is going to have to look at those crap recording from gods knows where they came from or who had them and looks at the pixel level to work out what is going on. It is not going to be easy and this expert sounds like he knows how to sell all the problems.

[@devak45167]

Sorry but this seems like a pretty major W for Billy and arguably the best case scenario for him. Not seeing any way this is even kind of bad news for Billy

[@liam6170]

Especially with all the financial damage he likely caused them an got alway with

[@mandowarrior123]

​@@liam6170 no, that's unlikely. He likely paid for these terms.

[@BuckAhkee]

He’s still banned and his scores aren’t on the official leaderboard. It’s still a loss for Billy, just not as big of a loss.

[@Goosewitdajuice317]

@@BuckAhkee a score in a game being removed isnt really a loss. We live in the real world. That stuff only matters to people who "care"

[@leofwulf268]

wouldn't call it a win for him he cut his loses and called it he couldn't prove they were defaming him

[@calebrichards86]

He didn't lose, he settled. This is a loss for all of the gaming community. Twin Galaxies should have taken it to court.

[@nickfifteen]

He didn't win either. He didn't get his scores restored outside of a site archive.

[@nickfifteen]

This also means people can call him a liar and he wouldn't be able to sue them because he knows he would lose in court. It's the best result for Billy in the same way slipping once in dog poop is better than slipping twice face down in dog poop.

[@ConkerTS]

@@nickfifteenMitchell won. The evidence TG had would have buried Mitchell, but by settling with Mitchell (and in a private agreement, that means we won't know the details) TG look like they realized that they are wrong, that Mitchell was NOT cheating, and that TG will cave in to anyone who posts false scores then won't back down when TG's lawyers threaten them. Twin Galaxies have *really* let the gaming community down.

[@Krexel]

​@@ConkerTS He did not win. How hard is it to understand that his goal was to get money, have his ban appealed, and have is score restored. Neither of which was achieved. He lost. Don't be a dumbass.

[@firstnamelastnamesb]

@@nickfifteen He didn't lose, they reached a settlement that benefited only Billy. It doesn't matter if his scores were re-implemented in an "archive", they're still back up on Twin Galaxies in one form, and the archive was made entirely to host the fraudulent scores. It sucks, but sometimes the bad guys win. In this case, looking objectively at how both sides made out, Billy got the better end of the deal and TG was forced to bend at the knee to accommodate him.

[@leighmillward]

Title is very misleading.

[@jk844100]

Well he didn’t win

[@Paulie7777]

⁠@@jk844100well he didn’t lose

[@jk844100]

@@Paulie7777 he lost in every way that matters. He executed any credibility he had multiple times, was exposed as a lier and a cheat multiple times. And for what? Still being banned and his scores still not being officially recognised? Sounds like losing to me.

[@frogglen6350]

​@@jk844100 ok but he didn't lose and hes back on the world records....cope with this fact

[@Mina_Angel]

​@frogglen6350 no he isn't friend. You didn't bother to watch the video, did you? He was left on a "participation" list. Cope.

[@actiblizzard]

the thumbnail and title confuses me, been seeing other places that billy actually got away with it for now and that he got the best possible outcome for him personally. lawsuit dropped etc isnt that a huge w for little billy?

[@MajoradeMayhem]

Yes. Billy got away with it. That is an outright loss for everyone who has to share a planet with him.

[@laurensb1b]

The lawyer for twin galaxies, the one you praised in earlier videos, turned out to be an incompetent buffoon and this somehow allowed Billy to get away with settling. As much as I want to see Silly Bitchell lose, this is definitely not the loss we were hoping for.

[@Joe-po8rx]

No. The lawyer just saved his client a lot of money, stress and time. Twin Galaxies still continue with their position of having the scores removed. The lawyers job is to get the best result for their client, and not to try to destroy the opposition. As I said, look at Twin Galaxies position. No trial expense, no stress. And no need to put the times back. Billy is still banned. That's a win.

[@TheConcertCruizer]

@@Joe-po8rxNo his scores are reinstated. That’s not a ban.

[@retsamyar]

the buffoon is the california legal system...

[@MenachemSchmuel]

@@Joe-po8rx No. TG's lawyer contacted witnesses improperly and the judge was threatening to have him referred to the BAR for discipline. They settled because Tash wanted to dodge punishment and TG were worried because they'd angered the judge. They had a slam dunk case and had every chance of getting Mitchell to pay their legal fees, and then Tash threw it all in the dumpster for no reason.

[@Joe-po8rx]

I withdraw my previous statement. I was basing it from the video where Karl makes it appear as if this settlement was a win, whilst in reality it appears less so.

[@firstnamelastnamesb]

Definitely agree with all the commenters saying that the title is wrong and that this is more of a win for Billy than a loss. The only way this could've possibly gone better for Billy is if the scores were reinstated to the main site, and even that doesn't matter since Billy himself is framing it that way, and there's nothing on the archive site that points out that he cheated.

[@xXSprMgaAwsmFxyHtXx]

His name is already tarnished tho

[@XrayTheMyth23]

While this is the best outcome for Billy realistically, he's definitely still pissed because this trial essentially proved he cheated. Billy didn't gain anything but more documented evidence of his cheating.

[@firstnamelastnamesb]

@@XrayTheMyth23 He absolutely did gain something. Even if it's in an "archive", his scores are still back up in some form or another.

[@thebigh4752]

I ordered the Arcade Shirt and Not Arcade Mug from the store. And next month I have to hold a presentation in front of about a hundred colleagues at an IT company. It will be recorded - sadly only for internal use - but I am glad to contribute a small part. IYKYK.

[@Cheepchipsable]

You're assuming more than a handful of people actually care about this...

[@MannyFlanders]

That expert rolled up like "If the power glove doesn't fit you must equit"

[@2-box]

My favorite part about this is that Twin Galaxies doesn't just have the "ARCADE / NOT ARCADE" T-shirts and mugs, they also have a couple others, being the "Video Game Player of the Century" and "5.51 Human Element" t-shirts. I love the descriptions, too. The Player of the Century t-shirt says "When you don this t-shirt, you don't just wear a piece of clothing; you attain a powerful, self-centered, narcissistic aura, instantly radiating unwarranted confidence and self-defined gaming legend status. This t-shirt grants its wearer the power to literally bend reality, turning the most outlandish claims of gaming achievements into unchallengeable truths impervious to any scientific evidence or logical argument." The Human Element t-shirt says "This T-shirt is crafted to support your persistent illusion that your gameplay can transcend the boundaries of video game hardware and software. Wear "The 5.51 Human Element" as you continue to delude yourself that you are actually breaking those video game world records, but do so in style. Available in several imaginary sizes, including "legendary," which fits exactly like large but has more space for copium. Each T-shirt is imbued with the spirit of aspiration, determination, and a nice helping of factual denial."

[@flipout9431]

those that commented before 10:57 had transpired to say congrats: this was about the twin galaxies lawsuit, and billy did walk away with some money in a settlement, and his score reinstated on the historical record, which for me is bad news i'm not gonna lie. twin galaxies should not have gotten cold feet and hired their own expert to contest this, i hate to see him walk away with even 1 coin

[@thedeadstig123]

It is a victory for billy, he got what he wanted with his scores back on the website which he'll now claim are real as he always claimed...he got what he wanted and twin galaxies get nothing except a wasted 4 years and a huge legal bill

[@dootthedooter]

ITs barely a victory. Having a win on rotting hardware IF THAT even is the case is not a win. Its shameful

[@tseikkisnelkytkaks9013]

It's possible it wasn't financially possible for them. Even if they were certain they would win and their losses got judged to be compensated by Billy, if Billy doesn't have the money, they're not getting it as I understand. This would create a situation where they will lose immense amounts of money taking it to court whatever happens in court.

[@thedeadstig123]

@@tseikkisnelkytkaks9013 it was Billy would approached TG for a settlement, he wanted out

[@darkranger116]

you know when you go into a classroom and the teacher starts pointing out people from the history book as examples of how to NOT do things? thats what Billy won. He won the prestigious reward of being the literal example of how to not do leaderboard security. His scores are literally salad dressing to be used for giving context to an outdated system. why is this so hard for people to understand.

[@jlo7770]

Glad to see you're not punching down on tiny creators in this video due to a complete lack of your own investigation. Still waiting for that complete apology, but we all know you wont

[@PunctualGuy_]

It's a shame that Billy managed to walk away mostly unscathed after all the damage he's done over the years, but I suppose this was the most realistic scenario. He can continue to proclaim he's the greatest all he wants, but anyone with knowledge and sense knows exactly who he is, and I guess that's the best we can hope for.

[@liam6170]

Well we still have Karl vs Billy to look forward to

[@CTomCooper]

Really, even were Billy humiliated in court and things didn’t settle, I’m fairly certain he still would be saying the same things anyway. He’s delusional, and no amount of reason or conclusive evidence presented by moral people can change the mind of an immoral person. People already know and have made up their minds.

[@liam6170]

@CTomCooper at least on the bright side Billy is still banned and only got his records back in a way back machine with people like Todd riggers Billy can pretend all he like but he will always be remembered for what he truly is

[@liam6170]

@Dusty338 the fact Billy has had to delay the trial lie and manipulate people shows he has no case plus Karl is not going down that easily

[@UMADBRO64]

@@liam6170 Lmao, the kiddie diddler pretending hes on the right side of history? Shocker.

[@cole-nq1ru]

As a senior software developer I got a massive migraine trying to understand how in the world that dude could possibly think hardware malfunctions can change code.

[@Gamebuster]

A hardware malfunction can definitely change how code is executed, just not in the way depicted on billy's tapes.

[@JoebDragon]

talking about old arcade games and with DK there was like 3-4 differnt hardware sets and 3-4 differnt Nintendo rom sets? Also twin galaxies rules changed so much that all old scores should be listed as classic / old rules / etc

[@rvoisey]

They're not talking about malfunction of the game. They're saying the video recording is defective and changed the footage to look like the mame version. I guess a dodgy camera turned that stick red too.

[@NeightrixPrime]

Well those kinds of "glitches" happen in just the right places for elections sometimes.

[@Gravemind2016]

As a software test engineer I completely agree, there is no chance that some resistors failure could lead to exactly the same results as MAME. Hardware failure would lead to all sorts of bugs, glitches and they will be random, completely unexpected and occasional. They just will not look EXACTLY like MAME

[@Lim95]

when I was like 6 my dad showed me that King of Kong documentary and afterwards he said “that billy guy cheated” or something like that i’m 15 now.

[@Gorvinhagen]

That statement from Mr. Computer Science Guy reads as if it was written by a clueless high-schooler. Hilarious.

[@RunicSigils]

Everyone you see in the media in general is doing the same thing as that guy. Real experts don't take their time to go on the news for money. They're too busy doing things which leaves people who call themselves experts and are willing to say anything for pay, to say whatever the people in charge of the media want to hear.