Cheater Billy Mitchell's Fake Story Is Falling Apart

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Conman of the century Billy Mitchell is getting absolutely demolished in his lawsuit against Twin Galaxies. It's actually kind of impressive!
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[@karljobst]

So many amazing things have happened in the Billy saga recently. Get ready for an avalanche of Billy vids lol. I've been sick so I might sound a bit scuffed. Use my code LEGEND to get $5 off your delicious, high protein Magic Spoon cereal by clicking this link: sponsr.is/magicspoon_legend_0623

[@Singingnoob-3minutesdirty]

Hi karl hope you’re having a good day

[@gustafbstrom]

Ah, you got Mitchell-19? Sorry, get better soon man.

[@foxwolf316]

dude todd rogers and billy mitchell are in there 40s and there just about to be in there 50s soon to be grandfathers, and there all acting like children, like they achieve success even notoriety why wont they just give up all of this stuff and have a normal life, is this what there gonna do until they die play video games, and start lawsuits that there not gonna win, whats keeping these men going on and on and on from doing this?

[@yanliechocki]

an avalanche of Billy videos? I'm tightening my seat belts here and getting ready for this trip.

[@Casmaniac]

@@foxwolf316 Todd Rogers I can get, bc he has no money and is trying to monetize his fame/infamy. Billy however is a rich kid who inherited a business. He could just relax and enjoy life, but his ego won't allow it I think

[@Brother-Kavkaz]

Imagine putting almost a decade of your life into becoming a lawyer, and spending another several years to build up your career, only to work for Billy Mitchell.

[@patrickswayze3086]

Billy Mitchell is their cash cow, lots of work and plenty of free publicity

[@peterwhitey4992]

What would the problem with that be?

[@randomdeliveryguy]

Imagine having a job.

[@Scanlaid]

@@randomdeliveryguy no

[@Mindstangle]

becoming a lawyer takes less than 6 years btw

[@mousetvalerie]

I didn't realise he was so old now. imagine spending an entire human lifetime being this vindictive and committed to a single lie you refuse to back down on. that's the saddest part of all of this in my opinion

[@wolfetteplays8894]

At least he has confidence

[@64sean30]

@@wolfetteplays8894you mean arrogance ?

[@jcaesar19871]

And is too bad that Apollo Legend had to have his videos on him deleted, 'cause you get to hear how much of a weirdo this dude is.

[@truthhurts6343]

@@64sean30 Narcissism

[@BoyFromBlokM]

He has reached levels of pathetic never before seen by humanity.

[@SuperTrainStationH]

Imagine renting an old coin-op machine to liven up the atmosphere of your real estate convention and getting pulled into court years later and having to testify to this as though it were a murder case.

[@robertdascoli949]

Yeah, imagine being that GameStop manager." Do I remember if there was one cable or two cables coming out of the back of the donkey Kong machine? From a decade ago?"

[@ming-meiizhao1902]

@@robertdascoli949 we all know how billy mitchell is but i find it pretty hard to believe that this game stop manager would remember a detail like that so many years afterwards. i cant remember if i left the stove on after 10 minutes let alone if i noticed some cable coming out of a machine with tons of other cables. but according to his lawyer either this random gamestop manager decided to frame billy or nintendo sent an emulator instead of their actual game, and i dont know which one is more ridiculous

[@heyesphilip]

@@ming-meiizhao1902 Turning a stove on/off is pretty much an everyday occurrence, you do it automatically that you end up not remembering turning the stove off even though you did. Now compare that to setting up an arcade machine which is going to be used by a some what "celebrity" to break a world record, it's not a everyday occurrence so you would most likely to remember it.

[@sebastiankane5774]

sir, were the rca cables present or not?! god dammit you need to remember! for all that is holy, were there any cotton pickin' rca cables in that cabinet, man?!

[@skruntfanatic]

@@heyesphilipthey were a manger at game stop I doubt they cared he showed up to the store lmao

[@cursedex80]

Imagine he wins the case because the jury is made entirely of people who spliced their speedruns and got caught.

[@DexSilver]

I mean jury of his peers right?

[@REvoLverj98]

​@williamwesthead9638 pretty sure you can't rig the jury with people who have bias

[@justinbieltz5903]

@@REvoLverj98that’s the reason why both sides get to examine the witnesses. Hence why there’s something called jury selection before the trial. Pretty hard to get both sides to agree to a witness being impartial.

[@DexSilver]

@@REvoLverj98 I know was just making a joke

[@hasannawaz228]

It'll be considered a misstrial if twin galaxy lawyers found out or if there's any sort of bias, evidence is too much for them to say anything but guilty.

[@Krapvag]

maybe he's speedrunning how quickly each suit falls apart

[@ashspades5307]

Yasssssssssss loved this comment made me laugh 😂😂😂😂 thank you my friend

[@joaovitormatos8147]

He'd probably cheat like he does on every speedrun

[@phroskies]

Summoning Salt presents...

[@nicha1nru]

And he’s on his way to get a world record with that

[@LordMegatherium]

If this is a speedrun then his office is located close to a gravity well and my non-existent pet red panda has a top 5 RSG Minecraft run.

[@thebestworst8002]

I love how this is a story that’s been completely writing itself for the past 5 years. I love always coming back every few months to see a new entry in the saga

[@JacobSantosDev]

It will be sad when Billy is sanctioned from filing lawsuits on this issue. If only because the facts no longer support his claims.

[@wearealllaughingatyou7997]

Same.

[@CraftMine1000]

Same

[@alecman95]

Tbf i don’t even know what they are arguing about at this point anymore

[@cericat]

Only thing that sucks is the number of folks who've needed to retain lawyers to deal with his BS all this time, expensive.

[@LotkaVolterra]

Could you imagine what that court case would be like for the lawyers? Thoroughly learning how Donkey Kong works and trying to explain the mechanics to a judge. I know it's not that simple, but in my head it's a Phoenix Wright episode. It ends with Billy trying to re-create his score live in court.

[@zeckma]

His excuse for not getting it in trial would be that people are watching him and so he can't shift in second gear before starting the game

[@merchantziro4285]

All I can imagine is Billy's Breakdown animation of him grabbing the Donkey Kong console and attempting to play it live before the court to salvage his reputation, only to be caught cheating multiple times during it as he tries to lie his way out of it until he's crushed under his lies before.... _You hear the death sound from Donkey Kong followed by the Game Over.__

[@smugshrug]

Is there a man on this earth more petty than Billy Mitchell? I can't believe how much time, energy and money he has poured in to such a trivial thing.

[@GoofyPoptart]

Yeah and the latest video buries him even more dude's a loser who clings to the past to much. Makes mo sense to me like how do you not notice you're an idiot and go to far..makes no sense man he's so weird.

[@dudeguy9081]

It's the only thing he has going for him. This world record is literally his life.

[@bobdigi500]

50 cent maybe!

[@lll9107]

The people who have the least will cling most dearly to what they actually do have.

[@WalkerRileyMC]

Donald Trump maybe. The man did become president just to spite a black man who made a single joke at his expense once during a correspondence dinner hardly anyone actually important cared about.

[@LloydWaldo]

What Karl failed to understand was that Billy put the lawsuit into second gear before he filed it.

[@IakobusAtreides]

😂😂😂😂😂

[@cericat]

Looking forward to the last of the Todd Todgers drama as well eh?

[@JohnathanLaFey]

spit out my coffee 😂😂😂

[@MarjaMariachi]

Naw, Silly Bitchell lied about that, too. If you look closely at photos from the filing, you'll clearly see the gearshift is an automatic!

[@MajorOctofuss]

Todd toddler has taught him well

[@SpidermanandhisAmazingFriends]

Imagine if he could have just lived with his ACTUAL Donkey Kong world record and been happy and normal

[@ForeverLaxx]

Narcissists who have attached themselves to a specific identity or achievement will never let it die, never let it go, and never let anyone (including themselves) move on. They have to be seen as the guy at the top for every waking moment of their lives.

[@smurphftw2008]

​@@ForeverLaxxExactly. There was a time when he was legitimately the best Donkey Kong player in the world, and his narcissistic brain just couldn't let it go. He had to have people think he was the GOAT for eternity, hence the blatant cheating.

[@negativedumpster9778]

@@ForeverLaxx It's the biggest reason as to why people like Billy Bitchell and Steven Seagall are walking punchlines. They constantly have to see themselves as the big badass, take themselves as seriously as a national emergency, and refuse to accept any criticism, no matter how valid it may be. It doesn't matter if pretty much everyone they talk to regards them as a complete shitbag loser. Because they're a legend in their own mind. In the immortal words of the Joker: "I'd laugh if it wasn't so pathetic... Oh what the heck, I'll laugh anyway!"

[@dollarcostbackpacker1226]

"King of kong" that movie would not let that happen.

[@ForeverLaxx]

@@skero7359 Sad

[@tinkerer3399]

As an electronics store owner I love how much of this case is coming down to PCB level connections.

[@BrowncoatFairy]

I lived with a compulsive liar for several years. Before that, they'd been my best friend as well. I'm a poor judge of character. Anyway, here's what I learned: There's a certain type of person that lies so much that they straight up forget that what they're saying isn't actually true. The difference between fact and fiction ceases to even be a concept they believe in -- basic objective facts like whether they paid a bill or showed up to a thing become ephemeral, debatable philosophical issues whose truth is determined entirely by whether or not people believe it. They literally believe they make things true if they can make other people believe it. Then they can forget it was a lie, because it isn't one anymore. I'll tell you another thing -- they tend to make a great first impression. They are charming. That's because they're always looking for new friends and allies -- there's a lot of turnover in those positions. Once you become one, they start telling you about how every single one of their old friends and allies turned on them, and turned out to be disloyal, ungrateful backstabbers, for absolutely no reason. In a similar vein, they tend to live a life of debt and chaos that can look exciting and glamorous at first! They're constantly plotting ambitious things, dropping names, perpetually on the cusp of making it big, and their 99% fabricated list of prior accomplishments (with just enough of a grain of truth so that they can casually show some speck of evidence) make it sound like a sure thing. But here's the thing. They always have a lot of balls in the air, because they spend their life running away from the fallout of all their prior entanglements. Fun at a party? Oh absolutely. Have a drink, have a laugh. Do not start a business with this person. Do not move in with this person.

[@daffers2345]

I was friends with one too, but he was a different sort. I was very low on self-esteem (read: pretty much zero) and I thought I had to be nice to anyone who bothered talking to me, because otherwise I'd have no friends. He was a weird creepy guy, not charming at all or even attractive, but got away with lots of stuff with his folks (this was in high school). He'd basically invite himself to things that he thought sounded interesting, and if you told him not to come he'd make a scene and paint himself as the victim. He continued to be a creep and he was still a massive liar. The worst part was, I couldn't tell anyone because I'd be accused of gossiping or speaking ill of him. So, people BELIEVED a lot of what he said because he could be very convincing, despite a lack of charm. He would play chameleon, and whatever group he was with, he'd be super-interested in everything they liked, forgetting his past interests completely. The guy is now in prison because he was a creep to other people and the police got involved. I found out when he was released for a bit, and he was staying in a halfway house. I told the leader that the guy was a chronic liar. The response? "Oh, I figured that out." So, he hasn't changed. Never, ever be friends with someone who makes you feel gross, who plays chameleon, or who shoves himself into your life to the point of never leaving you along. You DO NOT need to be friends with such a person, especially when you know he/she is a chronic liar!!!

[@BrowncoatFairy]

@@daffers2345 i can see a lot of my situation in yours! especially their ability to drop or adopt new interests and hobbies at the drop of a hat, playing the victim frequently, and my being an easy target because of low self-esteem.

[@Rebellions]

Did we know the same guy? Because this sounds eerily familiar.

[@jefo2405]

A.k.a. narcisism.

[@thefrub]

Imagine wanting to have a fun little side show at your mortgage conference so you think, "Donkey Kong speedrun, that's silly and safe!" and you get tangled up in a lawsuit for 15 years over it lmao

[@CptJistuce]

Paid for a score attack, got a speedrun.

[@jimtroeltsch5998]

Well, they were probably shitty human beings anyway, they were organizing a mortgage convention.

[@tommykarrick9130]

It’s honestly hilarious how billy is describing the event as if there was military level operational security protocols with several people watching and verifying every step of the process as if him playing the funny monky game was even a big deal at the event

[@nomore6167]

@@tommykarrick9130 "...as if him playing the funny monky game was even a big deal at the event" - I understand what you're saying, but the mortgage company set that up explicitly to attract people to their event, so in their eyes, it WAS a big deal.

[@tommykarrick9130]

@@nomore6167 no you’re missing what I mean, it was an attraction, yes, but its not like they took him or his goals particularly seriously. It was just a cool thing to have goin on off to the side, they wouldn’t have cared enough to have done layers of security checks and verifications to ensure the console was as legitimate as possible

[@tommy_svk]

It's funny that nowadays, when a speedrunner gets a WR on stream, the entire chat spams "I WAS HERE" and I assure you those people remember that they were there, especially if it was a very significant record. So it's really interesting that there were thousands of people watching Billy get the DK record, yet there's not a single person testifying "I was there". Not a single person says they actually saw the run. Funny that.

[@grimmsoul3096]

well todd toges says that he was there. i think.

[@SlyRyFry]

@@grimmsoul3096 yea the video brought up his fraudster "friends"

[@seakwenz]

I mean, even if he didn't cheat I wouldn't want to admit to willingly being in the same room as Bitchell

[@Harp00nX]

@@grimmsoul3096 must be true then lol

[@kered13]

I mean, I don't want to defend Billy Mitchell, but there's a difference between people choosing to watch a Twitch stream and people who are attending a mortgage brokers' convention where a "record" is being set as a side event. My guess is most people there didn't give a shit about someone setting a record in a then 26 year old game, they were there for business. But to be clear, he is totally still lying about everything.

[@mbeizer]

i love how a "gamestop manager" is somehow treated as a system expert on vintage arcade machines

[@Sandra-zu4ff]

I am dying to watch the 2 hour ultra video that Karl comes out detailing this entire saga once it’s over. I have my popcorn waiting!

[@bingosthad]

It's insane how hard he's clinging to this case, even as it falls apart. He really never found anything else to be proud of in his life.

[@mikeroagreschen5350]

I almost feel sorry for Mitchell. Almost. Imagine your whole life being defined by being really good at a video game. And you cheated at that.

[@sambranton3346]

Exactly. His whole person and career is based on lies. I don't feel sorry for him, but I do feel sorry for those he cheated out of that recognition they deserved.

[@PortCityBalrog]

​@Mrs.Informationman nobody knows what his hot sauce taste like

[@stephenthomas1492]

That guy is like an organic time-capsule.

[@jdiggitty]

@Mrs.Information Nobody cares about those records, bogus or not. I cannot think of the last time I even thought about that game much less wanted to play it.

[@TheNorseCrow]

It's like watching a child at the principals office trying to lie his way out of breaking a window.

[@cpt_nordbart]

It was already broken when I came here. I mean I was near it and it suddenly broke. I dunno how. I have no idea why this ball with my name on that looks like the one I got for birthday got here. It's definitely not mine.

[@TheNorseCrow]

@@cpt_nordbart The other kids will tell you I didn't do it. There were so many of them there. You can ask any of them and the teacher. They'll all say I didn't do it.

[@SpiffoGaming]

​@@TheNorseCrow"no he totally broke it, I saw him do it at lunch"

[@glarynth]

@@SpiffoGaming No not like that

[@GreenKnight07]

@@SpiffoGaming "n-no, you broke It,WAAAAAAAAAHHHHH 😭😭😭" Yes, i know this Is cringe but since Billy would sue people for "disinformation" i thought it was funny to add this, still cringe thought

[@brendencarroll6214]

I cant watch these videos without imagining Billy as the head from Regular Show.

[@LightsolP]

Honestly, Billy is very, very clearly a narcissist of the highest order, and a common thing narcissists do is rewrite events in their own heads to make themselves look more important - and then they get really angry at people who won't play along with it. Billy likely believes it happened exactly as he said it did, reality be damned.

[@narayantaniwa5091]

yes. I think so. he tinkers with his appearance a lot. I'm thinking that Billy was probably once good, but eventually had to resort to cheating to keep his titles. This field is highly competitive and you basically need to be an olympian to win.

[@RegalEagle1979]

Agree with all of this. Billy DOES have some legit skills. He did a Twitch stream of him playing Donkey Kong a few years ago and he scored over a million on the stream. He didn't match his fake "record" or come anywhere close to today's record holders, but it still takes a lot of skill to score over a million in Donkey Kong. I think he is good enough to have been a record holder at one point, but the video he submitted to TG was obviously played on MAME and should remain discredited.

[@LightsolP]

@@RegalEagle1979 Oh, definitely. It takes a ton of skill to score over a million on a game like Pac-Man or Donkey Kong. The issue is that Billy isn't satisfied with being one of the best; he has to be THE best because of his narcissism, and it's driven him to do some really awful things.

[@Eralen00]

Still can't believe how committed billy mitchell is to that hairstyle

[@MrJordandurrant]

It's genius really - once this is all done and he is shamed - quick haircut and shave and he'll never be recognised again.

[@squishybrick]

@@MrJordandurrant That's actually a good point.. I guess we'll see if he does change his look after this mess.

[@Ebb0Productions]

I know right!? It looks like he's wearing a hoodie.

[@emmanuelmondesir]

Hoodie Mitchell

[@oxydator]

What if he had a Messiah complex, and the hair cut is just a copycat of many depictions of JC?

[@MrTheMasterX]

The deposition of the two people from the Mortgage Broker convention actually makes this story so much worse for Bitchell. He basically set up a photoshoot to make it look like he was playing Donkey Kong there and then just left after because he had no intention of actually playing the game, which according to the lady was the whole reason he was there in the first place. Not only was he lying, he was being rude to the people who let set up there too.

[@g24eva27]

First time I heard Bitchell XD. Karl should use this is his next video XD

[@kveller555]

​@@g24eva27I'm positive Karl already called him that on a previous video. It was "Silly Bitchell" I think lol.

[@chichi2000fgh]

@@kveller555 this video too, on screen atleast

[@kveller555]

@@chichi2000fgh Oh damn, I missed that.

[@g24eva27]

@@kveller555 I missed all of those then...... And I watched all of the videos too.

[@tryhardign7539]

One thing, in a civil trial, there’s no guilt. There’s liability. He’s either liable or not liable. Great vid

[@jddean527]

He can be guilty of perjury tho

[@whuzzzup]

@@jddean527 True, but that then would be a separate - criminal - (court) case.

[@sweethysteria8737]

Isn’t he being sued for fraud, I thought that was a criminal thing? 🤔

[@under-dog5390]

@@sweethysteria8737 If it's a lawsuit then it is a civil case, to be charged criminally for fraud is another thing entirely (even if it's for the same situation.) I.E - A victim of fraud can sue the person who defrauded them in a civil hearing and the state can send them to prison for that fraud in a criminal hearing. A good rule of thumb is that if the plaintiff is not the state (or the people) then it's a civil hearing.

[@doodmonkey]

I can't believe this story is still going on.

[@danielrichardson6054]

The biggest crime is the one his hair stylist committed

[@MenachemSchmuel]

takes a long time for more than 30 years of lies to all come unraveled

[@Nefville]

What is beyond doubt is the longevity of Billy's hair. Throughout years of trials and tribulations it has remained the same. Now that has to be a world record, most enduring hair. Frankly, its the best thing about him.

[@AssassinAgent]

TBH, it's probably a wig. Just as fake as everything else about him.

[@Nefville]

@@AssassinAgent That's probably true knowing him 😂

[@alexbrookner5331]

And his voice

[@sn1000k]

His face is another matter

[@Randomii666]

@@AssassinAgent I was about to comment this lmao

[@craigrussell3062]

If you've never met a compulsive liar in real life, you don't know how wild they can be. They're absolutely shameless, and always appear to really, sincerely believe what they're saying. I think they probably do believe it. I think they're lying to themselves at the same time as they're lying to us. It's pretty fascinating.

[@direktive4]

I can think of two people i know who probably are. Both of them also could not seem to shut up, just one story about themselves after another unprompted.

[@ewjiml]

I had a compulsive liar as my squad leader in the Army. Obviously, lying isn’t a criminal offense. However, once I looked up his military record, I showed everyone in my unit and NO ONE took him seriously ever again. Eventually, he left because of the negative clout he from that. This dude claimed he was a sniper, a medic, and spec ops. In reality, he was a cook.

[@DoinThatRag]

I know a compulsive liar like this and it is really quite fascinating. I truly believe that they believe what they are saying is true. As if they imagine a scenario in their head and that's it, it is real and it happened. Even when confronted with indisputable truth that it couldn't have occurred as they said, it makes no difference. You can call them a liar, won't change a thing. Every single day you can say "I know you are lying about that" it doesn't matter. Or my favorite, when then promise something is supposed to occur shortly in the future, it never does so more lies as to why, until I eventually give up and let it go. There is just something off in these people's brains.

[@ewjiml]

@@DoinThatRag it’s because they figured out it’s easier to lie than go through hard work to become something. It’s cheating at life. I feel so bad for those peoples children.

[@tsdobbi]

Anyone who has an alcoholic close to them has experienced this and any recovering alcoholic will admit to it.

[@ashmenser7959]

I had a friend who was a compulsive liar. Don’t talk to her anymore, she moved away. Some of her lies included: -Her first cousin is Benedict Cumberbatch -Her boyfriend who looked like an anime character died because he fell out of a tree or had a heart attack, it changes depending on who you ask -She actually moved to England when in reality she moved to Georgia (we’re from Ohio) and even faked a British accent when she called me. She has a sister who I was also friends with so that was easily debunked -She is an actual witch and casted spells on our teachers to give less homework -She wore an eyepatch to school for weeks because she got a black eye after getting in a fight. The eyepatch switched eyes a few times -She had so many pets like snakes and spiders but whenever I would hang out at her house, they all miraculously died except for the family dog and cat -She lived in a haunted house and was friends with all the ghosts. I don’t believe in ghosts, but the house was definitely not haunted, I stayed over the night many times -She claimed to have made out with several girls at a church overnight because she taught them all how amazing being bisexual is. This didn’t happen, I was actually at this overnight with her. I could go on, pathological liars will always find excuses when their stories stop adding up. They will never admit they lied, they will never admit they were wrong, and worst of all, they rarely accept there’s a problem and seek help for it.

[@JackTheripper911]

I just want to point out, you can't tell if a house is haunted or not just because you stayed the night in it once or twice lol. Clearly shes full of shit, but it comes off as a bit of pompous ignorance when you say " yeah stayed the night once. Totes not haunted because i deemed it so on 1 nights stay" Im sure the house wasn't haunted to begin with, but small useless anecdotal "proof" doesnt hold any weight just to let you know.

[@tence_6965]

😂😂

[@Reeferman420NL]

@@JackTheripper911 Quote "I stayed over the night many times" Not that that proves anything. Sometimes ghost refuse to appear or make their presence known when certain people are present. Besides paranormal activity has a difficult relation with proof.

[@TheFatVeganOne]

Karl you need to be careful saying that the manager said there’s “no way it could have been recorded at all” That’s not what he said, he said there’s no way for it to be recorded “externally”. It’s these specifics that can and will get you in trouble in cases Even if it’s determined that Billy is lying etc

[@NerfPlayeR135]

I hope that, come trial time, the judge catches Billy crafting too many lies and hits him with a perjury charge.

[@Rich77UK]

I hope so...but doubt it. This slime s.o.b will slink out of any trouble whilst still claiming he's right.

[@Aiya876]

I believe it would be just so hard//annoying to prove that the judge wouldn’t want to. It’d be such a process lol

[@Alfred-Neuman]

I don't know, he doesn't look like someone that would lie about something so important! He even where an american flag tie so he is clearly a proud american patriot.

[@aiodensghost8645]

​@@Alfred-Neumanlmao, that dude has cheated for ages!! Trust me, when you can string together a convincing web of lies that DOESN'T fall apart like this guy's, you can get away with murder!!

[@TheUnapologeticGeek]

I’m no lawyer, but does the litigation privilege protect you from perjury charges?

[@redfire9]

I'm always amazed by Billy's ability to look exactly the same in every photo or video no matter how many years have passed inbetween

[@exalented]

There is nothing inside him.. Except donkey Kong barrels

[@Prophet_Isaiah]

An actual ghoul

[@DrazenTC]

He's a lich and his life essense is contained in his wr tapes, thats why he doesn't age and can't show them to anyone.

[@babyback8799]

Man’s refusing to let the peak of his life go, even physically

[@logicfoxgaming1411]

Dude nearly ages as slow as Paul Rudd

[@DerTendou]

The photo from your last video was already a devastating piece of evidence but him saying he wouldn't have played if the joystick wasn't black is extra devastating. I wonder how he felt when he saw this photo for the first time and what lies he will tell when confronted about it.

[@Matheus-ki9zo]

It doesn't matter whether Billy is falling apart or my life is falling apart, ever time Karl says "Hello, you absolute legends" to me, I can't help but feel innermost joy.

[@ShamankingZuty]

Imagine crying to a courtroom that your hi score in a video game was taken away from you and because you lied so much under oath you end up in prison for perjury.

[@leandervr]

My dad was a compulsive liar like that. That type of person starts to believe their own lies, which is why they do amazingly stupid things like call witnesses that undermine their own case. And regrettably, from my own experience, they will also never admit they have a problem and seek help.

[@dopesickdog]

Same, and you're totally right about them never wanting to change. Sorry you had to spend so much of your life around that :( i was the only person left giving more & more chances for my dad for years, before moving states for my safety; he died alone and was undiscovered for WEEKS bc he burned every. single. bridge in his life - they truly believe they don't need help

[@Ebb0Productions]

I was a compulsive liar as a kid. Luckily I had real friends that called me out on my bullshit. I chose friendship over my stupid behavior.

[@ebongatseabong202]

@@dopesickdogI’m sorry your relationship with your dad turned out like that. My dad’s on the same path and it’s hard to watch

[@Gatorade69]

@@Ebb0Productions Hey at least you can admit it and you chose to not continue down that path. Everyone knew a kid like that that just lied about every single thing. In our school the entire class picked on him, which caused him to double down on the lying to try to seem even cooler.

[@ArtVandelayOfficial]

Its not a lie if you believe it

[@bb-gc2tx]

imagine being 61 years old and suing over a video game score???🤣

[@MetalPopka]

I feel like cases like this, requires a technician to be called to the stands to explain that certain stuff is impossible to do.

[@DrWolfenstein313]

You guys remember when Billy was at a convention like... five years ago, saying that he had the evidence that he was right and he was not a cheater? Really powerful evidence that we're still waiting for.

[@AchronTimeless]

That's wild, there's a guy that sells pillows that keeps saying the same thing. Any day now. Yep. So much evidence. Aaaaaannnnnnyyyyy day now...

[@hundkebab2433]

like with all the nutjobs talking about UFOs and how they're real and confirmed by the US yet all we got is some words of people that usually get associated with compulsive lying

[@SuperEarther]

what about the king of kong too when he failed to turn up and challenge the real donkey kong legend steve Wiebe

[@tensecondtwoii4182]

@@AchronTimeless LOL...there are also Senators who pedal the same BS. Adam Schiff telling the press multiple times he had irrefutable evidence of Russian collusion....and them crickets....

[@xtlm]

I saw him streaming on Twitch recently. Did anyone else know this?

[@tommykarrick9130]

I kind of love the fact that Billy Mitchell is so SO much more famous now as a laughing stock meme than he ever was as the donkey Kong world record holder

[@Ange1ofD4rkness]

How I learned about him

[@Crow_Rising]

I wouldn't be surprised if that's part of his whole shtick right now. I don't doubt for a second that he's actually just a petty idiot, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if part of why he's sticking to the lie so stubbornly is because it's bringing him so much attention.

[@iloveallthepeople]

I've always stuck to the opinion that those boys that held the world records in twin galaxies were the like a band of professional wrestlers, with Billy as a heel. He not only holds the DK record but a number of other prestigious accolades, including the time he went to namco and beat ms pacman's high score and was presented a harem and a solid gold trophy. You can think he's a laughingstock, but who are you?

[@Crow_Rising]

@@iloveallthepeople You're actually cheerleading for Billy in the comments of a video showcasing proof of his lies? Everyone thinks he's a laughingstock because what he's claiming to have happened is a literal impossibility, and has so much evidence debunking it that it's well and truly beyond beating a dead horse. Also, keep in mind the old proverb; "I don't need to be a 5 star chef to be able to tell when food tastes like shit."

[@iloveallthepeople]

@@Crow_Rising you know video games are not real, right? You just push buttons and Billy Mitchell is a fantastic entertainer, if you had been around for all of it, you would see how fun this is. A third party narrative always comes off the same way with him and it's just classic Billy. The first time I went to Ricky's, I was offered the best flavor that wasn't in the menu, it was terrible 🤣 literally the worst wings I ever had. But when I got the classic, they were phenomenal. If you see him play on a cabinet he's never seen, you know you are in the presence of a god, but if you want to be handed the best by him, you gotta understand it's more than just what you expect to be perfect, it's hilarity, it's a journey.

[@CappuccinO80]

The most amazing part of this story, is that it's a story to begin with.

[@Kevin01SH]

At this point his entire existence is built around being a record breaking video gamer. And he's willing to spend years and untold sums of money to defend that. Just insane

[@Reeferman420NL]

But unfortunately for him he lacks the competence to defend his lie. I mean bringing up witnesses that completely contradict everything he claimed they would testify. Exposing various new lies Billy told while being under oath. I'm truly puzzled by Billy's apparent lack of preparation. He seems to just be winging it, making things up on the spot. And then somehow he expected his witnesses to remember it as he said it went instead of what actually happend? And even then you prepare your witnesses. Hear what they intend to testify and access if their testimony would help your case. If not you don't present them. In the end all those "years and untold sums of money" are only solidifying what a sad, pathetic and stunningly incompetent liar he really is. And drawing a lot of extra attention to it. It would be interesting to be able to read his mind.

[@tobiasha93]

Honestly it's baffling. Like have they seen how much gaming has developed until today? I don't want to take anything away from people who achieved this stuff legitimately on arcade machines but games as well as the players have reached much higher levels than that. What even are you doing with that "title"? Can you actually earn money by being a record breaker for games media that are dying out? The only place I can still find arcades in my country are museums and even they have issues with maintaining them. It seems they are mostly dead outside of Asia or a few collectors in the western world. I just don't see how anybody would care enough about it to keep that lie going for so long.

[@theclashingcrafter5354]

I love how Karl exclusively picks the worst possible frames of Billy to use in the thumbnails, absolutely my favourite part of this

[@destroy_television]

lol, I kind of thought about that. During the shots of him talking about watching the guy put the board in and everything I focused in on his hair for whatever reason... I'm convinced the dude is wearing a hair piece now lol...

[@no-replies]

That's just how he looks though.

[@ImTheHamSandwich]

these are actually the best frames possible, Billy is just busted looking

[@MDCxThePG]

He looks super imposed in every single frame I see him in. Like some created character next to an actual person in real life

[@argentario7514]

My theory for why he chose those people as witnesses is, that they were not really around and didn't see him play but could give statements like "I was there when he got the world record". In his narcissistic mind, that probably sounded like a bulletproof plan.

[@dautolover]

The manager isn't just saying "I don't remember doing that." He's flat-out saying "I didn't do what Mitchell is saying I did." Ouch.

[@user-mt2jm7vy6i]

My guess is that he thought that since so many years passed no one will remember anything and he will get away with telling stuff that didn't happen. But sadly for him people actually remembered what they did.

[@bilateralrope8643]

I'm thinking that part of it is that he's been telling the lie for so long that he believes it.

[@subzilver]

At the end of the day, there is one thing you can give Billy credit for: Anyone who suffers from such a strong personality disorder with pronounced narcissism usually does more harm to the general public than cheating at video games and then claiming the opposite in order to get attention and recognition. At the end of the day, we can be glad that Billy found his passion here and not in the slaughter of people.

[@Reeferman420NL]

I totally agree. Although I am surprised how he manages to cause this much trouble and wasted effort over his fraudulent high score.

[@Dad.................]

As far as we know

[@Raziel1984]

4:03 "he padlocked it and nobody could get in it" ... i could hear the lockpicking lawyers faint laughter from somewhere

[@kuron7865]

I think Billy genuinely believed that his witnesses would back him up. I presume it's either because he's starting to believe his own lies or because he's just that much of a narcissist that of COURSE people would fall in line and perjure themselves on his behalf. Either that or it's all gone too far and he doesn't know how to stop it, but I feel like its more the narcissist thing

[@jimtroeltsch5998]

It's because he is a narcissist. He believes himself to be right, whether what he is saying is a lie or not and whether he knows it's a lie or not. Even if he doesn't believe his lies at all, he'd still rationalize lying as the right thing to do in order to preserve his closely held belief that he deserves to be right about everything.

[@DarkTenka]

Tbh, this has gone beyond narcissism at this point. This is straight up psychotic delusion

[@nomore6167]

"Either that or it's all gone too far and he doesn't know how to stop it, but I feel like its more the narcissist thing" - I also think it's the narcissist thing, especially given some of his carefully-worded answers to questions, such as when he was directly asked if he was there when the board was being connected, and he replied, "I watched", which could mean that he was not present at the time but later watched the tape of it (from the woman who was taping it with her camcorder).

[@ChaotikmindSrc]

He probably is a pathological liar, who ends up quickly believing is own lies, that probably explains it all IMO

[@kirbwarriork3371]

I feel like all three of those options are narcissism; A) He wants what he says to be true so badly he'll fully believe it because his mind is capable of changing reality. B) He thinks people are such rabid followers they'd do anything he wanted. C) He's unwilling to admit defeat and thus will keep pushing, trying to grasp reputable victory because nothing else matters as much.

[@rysn4566]

Whats crazy is that billys lawyers took up this case on a contingency basis, which means that they would only be paid if he wins the lawsuit, in the form of a percentage of the damages.

[@Rich77UK]

Absolutely mental isn't it.

[@fluidwolf]

That is legitimately nutty considering how fast their stories are falling apart before the actual court case even happens.

[@Pesthuf]

Billy is a very convincing guy. Chances are the lawyer doesn't know all too much about video games, but Billy convinced him it was an open-and-shut case. I mean, it sure is, just not in the way they'd both hope.

[@drunkenhobo8020]

Maybe they misprinted their business cards? It should have read "Works on contingency? No, money down!"

[@StIdes-wb3ir]

​@@drunkenhobo8020 congrats, this made me spit out my drink laughing lol

[@richardhunter132]

I feel sorry for the woman who booked Billy to jazz up her convention then was disappointed when he let her down

[@moz6388]

Imagine if Billy ends up winning. Just imagine... The world would just cease to function.

[@rphntw1n]

It’s hard to believe he’s gotten this far in life and doesn’t know how dumb this is.

[@FinalManaTrigger]

It's just a case of one lie snowballing into 1,000 just to cover the first one. Sad and pathetic.

[@nomore6167]

@@FinalManaTrigger "It's just a case of one lie snowballing into 1,000 just to cover the first one" - Don't you know? A person wearing an American flag tie and an American flag handkerchief is a patriot and would NEVER lie!

[@ZombiePicnic]

He's a malignant narcissist who has 0 self awareness, pretty pathetic.

[@crummycuzz]

It's all he has..

[@BlueBARv5]

​@@nomore6167The USA flag tie does make me wonder.....Could we all be wrong and he really did achieve the score?

[@jacob9538]

I think people like Billy Mitchell, who lie and cheat and then sue people for telling the truth about them, should automatically have to pay the amount they were suing for when they lose in court.

[@Torta--is--PLUR]

Be banned from suing ever again

[@mickmccasker6401]

@@Torta--is--PLUR Vexatious litigant

[@Deathgaze1]

If the case with Jobst goes ahead he'll have to pay for his legal fees at least. It's how civil cases work in Australia

[@plaidchuck]

SLAPP suits are common in the us

[@plasticflower]

@@Deathgaze1 Hopefully so. But it seems that Mitchell owns two restaurants in Hollywood or so, so he's probably so loaded that a few legal fees don't even register :/

[@BillyJack85]

I just so happened to watch this Donkey Kong documentary out of nowhere like 2 months ago.... I was so pissed how this guy treated Steve Wiebe (and the whole Twin Galaxies org for that matter) and tried to steal the record from him at the end of the movie. It's amazing to me that this saga is still going on almost 20 years later. Somebody should get a comment from Steve and see what he has to say about all of this.

[@FriendsLikeSolace]

He’s not a conman. A conman is good at his job.

[@maikelfeskens9322]

A conman isn't, otherwise you wouldn't know he was one

[@jakehyams8659]

He's not a conman he's a con, man

[@theicepickthatkilledtrotsk658]

Wonder if Miyamoto while making the original Donkey Kong could ever imagine someone like Billy Mitchell, a man whose life revolves around fake DK records.

[@zog6940]

It's so weird that his entire adult life has been cheating at an old video game. Then sueing anyone who dares to doubt his skills. Dude probably lost to a brother/cousin at DK and made it his life goal to get them back.

[@TimothyLemon1237]

what a sad man, imagine what he could have actually achieved with these levels of time, money and focus.

[@CptJistuce]

He could've gotten good at Donkey Kong!

[@Sniperbear13]

its funny how much people will pour into a farce rather then actually doing the thing they say they did.

[@armyofninjas9055]

​@@CptJistuceDamn dude. Vicious and true.

[@rabid_si]

I'm trying to imagine, but the only answer that's coming to me is "Nothing, because he's Billy Mitchell."

[@micksterminator3]

I was thinking the same. I've been hearing about this story for easily more than a decade and this guy is still the same miserable person. Dudes got some problems lol

[@neverdive1059]

I’m an attorney who’s conducted a ton of depositions in cases large and small, and there just isn’t any situation where you’d produce multiple witnesses who would directly refute your version of events. Just as a bit of background, while it’s improper to direct the testimony of a witness, there is absolutely nothing wrong with speaking to that witness before a deposition. In fact, no competent lawyer would ever produce a witness without knowing what they would be testifying to. The saying for lawyers conducting trials and depositions goes “never ask a question you don’t know the answer to”. The fact that these witnesses sat down and destroyed Billy’s version of events goes to show that his lawyer is either totally incompetent and didn’t speak to any of these people, or intentionally submitted inaccurate/misleading affidavits to the court hoping to win the case on a motion and never have to produce the witnesses for examination. I don’t see any other possible scenario.

[@Hayson898]

I don't know if you saw the newer video on this or not, but Billy is using a law firm that his son works at. It has come out that his son(who is a lawyer/student lawyer, don't know how it works but is a clerk there) is the one who wrote these testimonials. Is that breaking the law or is that just an ethics violation?

[@neverdive1059]

@@Hayson898 simply having your family member as your lawyer isn’t breaking the law or a violation of ethics. It may explain WHY a licensed attorney is so willing to put Billy’s BS into sworn documents filed with the court. But it’s still pretty inexcusable. Whatever relationships you have with your client, it’s your reputation (and license) on the line.

[@Hayson898]

@@neverdive1059 ah ok. So the only law breaking is his son submitting falsified/edited witness statements? Like I don't know anything about American law but that feels not good? Especially if these said witness are not agreeing with what was on the statements?

[@neverdive1059]

@@Hayson898 even then it depends on how exactly these statements came before the court. If a witness submits an affidavit, and then testifies to something different at a deposition, they could be exposing themselves to perjury charges. Lawyers, in both oral arguments and motions, are only supposed to be arguing the law, not providing evidence. So any version of events they state are usually couched in hypothetical terms, or as their understanding of the facts (which could change for innocent reasons). The large majority of violations in relation to stuff like this wouldn’t result in criminal charges or even effect ones license. They usually just serve to destroy a sides credibility in the particular case and result in a loss. I’d say as it relates to the lawyer, they’d be exposed to the most trouble if they were involved in crafting the false story and coached or instructed the witness to lie (or even worse, submitted an affidavit in someone’s name that didn’t actually attest to that affidavit, basically forgery). I’m not saying anything like that happened here, but those are the common cases where you actually see consequences beyond the case for this type of behavior.

[@Hayson898]

@@neverdive1059 Thank you for explaining this to me. I appreciate it.

[@Bluebatstar]

I keep coming back to this video to check the trail date. Only 7 days now until this guy gets annihalated and I can't wait.

[@mugiwaraLux]

I truly believe Billy thinks he’s telling the truth. It started as a lie but he has said it so much his memory has morphed into this story and he truly believes it. It’s scary.

[@MikeWalls7829]

Nah the only thing he really believes is that everyone else is as stupid as he is

[@Torta--is--PLUR]

That's called being a delusional compulsive liar

[@Harp00nX]

If you repeat a lie often enough people start to believe it, and Billy has told himself this lot so many times maybe that's what has happened.

[@eriklarson9137]

Look at the way he presents himself. Have you ever met a single human that dresses themselves the way he does, that is normal functioning, honest and open person? With the stupid ties, and the hair helmet etc etc...

[@plasticflower]

Apparently pathological liars do believe they're telling the truth. Sometimes, at least...?

[@Atom.Storm.]

I remember when I was a teenager I once told a fairly obvious and outrageous lie. Not a malicious one but one where I was trying to impress someone. It got blown all out of proportion and I tried to play it down. The adults I told it to knew I was lying but were gracious enough to let it go. Years later when I met one of them he asked me about it and I told him I panicked and lied about something silly to impress them. He just laughed and called me a dafty. It was a relief and he wasn't bothered by it at all. Billy, however, seems to have such a titanic ego that he wants that lie to be true. Even though, deep down he knows it's crap.

[@psterud]

Yeah, when we're younger we think that our lies are pretty strong. Meanwhile, older people can easily tell that they're lies and just find them funny and harmless. The older we get, the more we can detect lies, and it takes older and/or more experienced people than us to detect our lies. At some point we realize that lying is simply not a good strategy for anything, and that honesty is the best policy. But some people, as grown-ass adults, are stuck in that adolescent mindset where lying is still a viable option.

[@chrisjames1905]

A lot of it, in my opinion, comes from the ego associated with being told that you're the best at something, and receiving a degree of publicity in accordance with this. It's far less likely this would be happening if this was something he did in his private life that no-one knew about. The most amusing part of King of Kong IMO is something that not many people pick up on. It's when he is sitting there talking about what it takes to be a world champion, as if he's Roger Federer or Tiger Woods. It's fucking Pac-Man, mate. No-one can deny you're good at Pac-Man, but less than 0.00001% of the population would ever bother trying to master it to this ridiculous degree, even if was still really massive today, which it obviously isn't because it was released in 1980. You're not on the same level as other world champions in sports that people actually participate in en masse. And I think a lot of what he's doing now comes from the ego, particularly the male ego, of building yourself up in your head to be more than you really are, erecting a grand image that is being torn down when he is, rightly, accused of lying. I saw another example of this in a Louis Theroux wrestling documentary, where someone from a wrestling boot camp was enraged that they "don't get the same respect" as people in other sports. Of course you don't get the same respect as people in other sports! Because what you do isn't real! When Tiger Woods made that chip at the Masters, he didn't know what was going to happen! He could have fluffed it! That's why he gets more respect! The reason you were able to admit to your lie is that you hadn't built it, or yourself, up into some monument in your head that has to be preserved at all costs. That is what Billy Mitchell has done and that it why he is willing to humiliate himself in a vain attempt to reconstruct the myth.

[@TechnicolorMammoth]

You owned your mistake and learned. You grew and became a better person for it. You’re awesome you did that and I respect you for that. Billy is a scared, broken person who can’t own it and won’t learn. He only has become worse of a person for it. He’s a shit bag, and I don’t respect that at all.

[@user-73a]

@chrisjames1905 Bad example of using Tiger Woods, He (like all nom whites) had a fetish for white females and had to pay to get sex.

[@YoungBossMajor]

What did u lie about ?

[@KrzysiuNet]

Seriously, stories about his fall are like the hundredth "last tour of Judas Priest"or one of the bazillion apocalypses we were supposed to have. I've been hearing it's the end of this guy since years.

[@lordpsi99]

The man is like an infestation of fruit flies. Extremely difficult to kill and will keep coming back even if you spend hours every day vacuuming or swatting thousands of them.

[@jackpijjin4088]

Think of them as chapters in a larger book rather than individual separate stories.

[@xzero422]

I cannot believe that real human lives are spent on this thing.

[@escape209]

Am I the only one who finds it perfect he pulled off the fraud at the Mortgage Broker's Association in 2007 of all places and times? Especially knowing what happened over the following year relating to mortgages.

[@Gr8thxAlot]

I was thinking the same thing. :-)

[@Ramsey276one]

Oh WOW XD

[@InMintCondition13]

While correlation does not always equal causation, I'm willing to cast that aside for this as headcanon.

[@ThorkilKowalski]

Should have been a cameo in The Big Short 🤣

[@TransRoofKorean]

Hmmm, that is an interesting "coincidence". Heh. Fraudsters of a feather, eh?

[@mistermonologue2442]

Billy was definitely one of those- "give the dog the food and show your parents the empty plate" sort of kids.

[@medes5597]

The only kids I know who did this (me included) had eating disorders and I was really confused about what you meant about him having food issues for like.. Way too long just now. I feel like an idiot.

[@patrickaker4380]

I’d say he is more the kid that told his neighbors he fed their dog, took the praise, and never actually did anything.

[@BudravenOG]

Don't lump us in with him. those canned green beans were nasty

[@karolakkolo123]

​@@medes5597nah I did that a few time (not with all the food just some) because I disliked some of the meat my parents made sometimes, and didn't want it to go to waste. As to lying, I sometimes did, sometimes was honest about it. And it didn't happen as often but still

[@polishKGB]

I'm already writing the script. When this whole saga is complete, I'm going to pitch my movie in Hollywood. Gonna be a banger.

[@HeavyInstinct]

It's astonishing how one man can consistently manage to look so ridiculous.

[@joeykeilholz925]

any more ridiculous and he would be the president.

[@tobiasha93]

The necktie kills me every time. I'm almost disappointed he didn't wear it for the interview.

[@bipolarminddroppings]

I love how Billy never even attempts to explain how the emulator graphics appear on a real machine, just constantly claims the machine was real.

[@IceWolfLoki]

That's just artefacts caused by the conversion process used to send the video signal to the VCR ;) On another note: Why are we still doing this on VCR? I assume there has to be a legitimate good reason for that.

[@aiodensghost8645]

​@IceWolfLoki it's a lot more difficult to edit the film in a cassette than it is to edit a digital file. Also, how long ago its been.

[@IceWolfLoki]

@@aiodensghost8645 I assumed that but cant you just edit the video digitally and then send it to a video tape?

[@ssgoko88]

​@@IceWolfLokiactually no, since there will either be no noise (if recorded digitally originally.) Or twice as much noise (if vcr'd then digitized then vcr'd again) It would be obvious to anyone who watched VHS tapes

[@peterwhitey4992]

@@ssgoko88 - Actually, of course you can, and you can account for all those issues.

[@RubberWilbur]

whats the most gratifying is that you know Billy has watched and combed through this youtube video at least 4 or 5 times.

[@emptiester]

Hi Billy

[@Wanderlust1972]

@@emptiester Why did Billy sue in the first place, why does he care if hes on a leaderboard know one looks at?

[@emptiester]

@@Wanderlust1972 what do i know? Hes mentally deranged and a pathological liar. Ask him.

[@skeletonbuyingpealts7134]

​@@Wanderlust1972Ego and it's all he has

[@tobiasha93]

@@Wanderlust1972 I guess for the same reason he is (probably self-proclaimed) the greatest arcade video game player of all time. It's surprising he has the energy to care that much about it.

[@newloon]

You instantly know a person is lying when they include too many details in their story...if Billy was telling the truth his story would be "yeah I got the score" that's it

[@jackpijjin4088]

Some people just have extremely vivid memory. Billy however cannot remember details from his story minutes after sharing said details, and there is the tell.

[@randomlyentertaining8287]

This entire thing is like a massive meteor (the 6 million+ lawsuit) that's barreling toward Mitchell and he's trying to stop it with a BB Gun. The craziest thing is that people will likely forever continue to believe his lies and be his supporters and that deep down, when Billy does eventually pass on, he'll be happy that some people actually believed him and that his name will be remembered forever. In what context doesn't really matter to someone like him.

[@MrMeow-xl7pd]

imagine going to jail just because of a video game high score you lied about

[@nathanlamont9920]

Guys would have fun with a dude like that... NOW PICK UP THE SOAP!!!!

[@VanBurenPhilips]

I wonder if the other gentlemen will respect him

[@hellboy19991]

this is not a criminal lawsuit, so he wouldn't go behind bars for that. so he would go to jail for lying under oath is what you're getting at?

[@kaiser9321]

Remember it’s not just that

[@RealClassixX]

@@nathanlamont9920 Rape isn't funny.

[@nichooooo2748]

The fact that they are seeking damage of $3,333,360 is so on the nose for a lawsuit between gamers

[@Postman795]

How so?

[@md_vandenberg]

@@Postman795 It's the max top score one can achieve in Pac-Man.

[@Postman795]

@@md_vandenberg BASED AF

[@ItIsYouAreNotYour]

It's just a hypothetical number based on the reasoning if you were paid max. You are sued for the max, say he did win he could be rewarded, for example, $1,000,000 or even just $30,000, Almost nobody ever gets the full sum. With that said, how does all that head get on that tiny body? He must use cables to help prop that thing up on his neck.

[@BrandNewByxor]

1333333333333333333337

[@RNG_Anarchist]

Its highly unlikely that a game stop manager would have that kinda knowledge

[@alaistairhamilton8838]

Why do I envision matching orange jumpsuits for Billy Mitchell and his lawyer?!

[@bilimus_]

Good luck on your case against this fraud

[@Just_a_commenter]

I am really, really looking forward to the outcome of the trial. Any opportunity to expose cheaters and have them flounder while trying to save their image MUST be taken advantage of, and there's no place it'll sting more than in a court... Be it the court of public opinion, or an actual court. Let's go! :D

[@flogcsiddrater3251]

Karl Jobst is mega liar. he is jelous he never had Donkey World Record so he slander Arcade Legends. Karl cheated his Goldeneye DAM 48

[@alexgamingyz5346]

@@flogcsiddrater3251 imagine defending a guy who is beyond obviously cheating 💀

[@jacksongraham2212]

@@flogcsiddrater3251Do you have any proof that he cheated? If you want to accuse someone of anything you better bring some solid evidence to back it up.

[@NicoTheCinderace]

@@flogcsiddrater3251 Nice alt account, Billy Mitchell. You sure are mad that you got caught. :)

[@Phantom.Gaming64]

It's gonna be epic conclusion, that much I can guarantee. Billy is screwed, big time.

[@joshb1137]

People in 1950: By 2023 we'll have flying cars 2023: Lawsuits over a Donkey Kong score

[@CerBerZerk]

0:18 Renaming the guy "Silly Bitchell" on a public video is just a masterclass.

[@shirakorimio1363]

Billy Mitchell is a perfect case of "endless content at the cost of wasting everyone's time and money." I had no idea one man's sunk cost fallacy to cling to his ego this hard could run so deep.

[@user-73a]

Foot in the door psychology, airports law, Godwin theory, etc

[@primordial82]

That's the thing about sunk cost/gambler's fallacy, gotta go with it to the bitter end.

[@Teh_Random_Canadian]

How TF can he afford all these lawsuits... where is his money coming from?

[@justicejericho97]

@@user-73awhat has anything here got to with Godwin? Did I miss Karl comparing Billy to Hitler?

[@E-Box]

@@Teh_Random_Canadian I've heard that he can take it deeper than a vacuum or something, but that's only speculation based on the people who are blindly supporting him.

[@fatmanjonestv7143]

If you can’t trust a GameStop manager, who can you trust? 😂

[@nomore6167]

"If you can’t trust a GameStop manager, who can you trust?" - Hey, that manager had a "special lock" (which Billy identified as a padlock) that he purchased just for this event. It was probably a "Maximum Security" Master Lock brand padlock, and anyone who has watched LockPickingLawyer's channel knows how much skill is required to open one of those.

[@FanBoyBooks]

I can't wait for the Netflix Tiger King-esque docu-series on all this & then the ‘based on’ TV series & Movie we will hopefully get after the court case

[@Adam-wt5id]

Story has been told a bunch but i always forget how this all started. We have so much detail about how his story is fabricated, but i want to know what the FIRST accusation of cheating came from. He’s been known as a cheater for so long now, the initial accusation is buried under a ton of empirical evidence that he would have lost less respect from everyone if he just backed down initially. Its just embarrassing how hard he’s clinging to this record nobody cares about.

[@Reeferman420NL]

It was based on the video recording of the display output of the Donkey Kong game in which he achieved the high score. In that recording there are a couple of frames that only appear when playing Donkey Kong emulated on MAME. Those emulators enable cheats and scores achieved on an emulator aren't accepted as entries on leader boards. So the case was closed from the beginning. Only Billy insisted to dig a way bigger hole for himself to go down in.

[@slicingonions4398]

I really hope the case doesn't get settled outside of court or the trial date get postponed indefinitely because im so excited i can't wait. I also hope the trial is public it would be bigger than the superbowl for us and maybe there will even be betting odds for what happens at trial

[@ronniefromOR]

I can't imagine any settlement

[@moonasha]

it better be broadcast on youtube or I'll sneak in the court room and livestream it myself, this has the potential to be more entertaining than the johnny depp trial

[@TheAssirra]

At this point it went on too long to settle imo.

[@emhean]

@@moonasha We need a fundraiser for Karl Jobst to be there to livestream the event!

[@pokeybit]

Billy has nothing to settle with

[@ladynikkie]

Hearing Billy testify like that you can tell that it's a broken story. This case is a lost cause and honestly I'm just surprised that it's been 4 years that he kept this charade. If he loses this case which will highly be likely, hopefully the case against Karl will be thrown out as well

[@KnakuanaRka]

The guy who organized that mortgage broker convention must be kicking himself so hard for bringing in some arcade games as a sideshow, only to get tied up in this guy’s BS a bunch of years later. Edit: Manager was a woman named Valerie. Bet she regrets all this.

[@Mase1up]

I hope the lawyers see this video and use it to just destroy every lie they attempt to pull off moving forward

[@RowanTS]

In the time and mental energy it has taken Billy to do all of this over the decades, he probably could have gotten multiple new world records by honest work. Sadge.

[@PortCityBalrog]

Preach....Sadge😂

[@iloveallthepeople]

This is nothing for Billy. If he says it happened, it's basically a direct path to the past event with front row seats

[@arachosia]

Nah, he’s too old now. His reflexes and fluid intelligence are diminished.

[@Draconianoverlord55]

He could have been a streamer or something

[@CaniHaveTheRedPill]

@@Draconianoverlord55 he’s equivalent to a streamer cheater swearing he didn’t use walls or aimbot.

[@jeffreytackett3922]

From the beginning of my awareness of this situation, until this very day, I have never lost an fraction of my confusion over why someone would be this wrapped up in how they're perceived due to their goddamn Donkey Kong score. I just can't figure it out.

[@Selxirs]

honestly it´s easy: his WHOLE adult life is BUILD on this world record and the following fame. It´s what made him "famous" (at least in certain niche circles like speedrunners or arcade fans etc). He got BIG with it. he made MONEY with it. and i mean a LOT of money. OFC he would do ANYTHING to keep it that way. This one score he cheated made him and his life for decades. If it´s proven to be all wrong he will loose everything. he will loose money, he will loose fame, he will loose all credibility. the only thing he will win is the title of biggest cheater and most notorious lier in video game history

[@EGRJ]

Does he look like a man with any other laudable achievements to his name? Something to brag about at cocktail parties?

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@Selxirs So this Billy Bitchell NEVER did ANY USEFUL WORK in his life, right?

[@theultimatereductionist7592]

@@Selxirs WHO THE F would pay ANYBODY to play or win a VIDEOGAME?!

[@edwardv1255]

​@@SelxirsWould be more understandable if money was actually a real factor here, like it is in the case of Todd Todgers, who doesn't have anything else and based his whole life around cheated records. Billy, however, has a business that, as far as I understand, is doing well (apparently his hot sauce is actually good), and could probably live a good life despite his gaming reputation being ruined. So in his case it seems purely ego-driven.

[@jillparker6553]

I absolutely love seeing this playing out on your channel 😅

[@LongTimeAgoNL]

There is 1 reason he could bring in the witnesses: hoping that the couldnt remember what happened and said "yeah I dont know anymore, its been so long, maybe.".

[@absolutez3r019]

Valerie is a poor witness. Since a score of 1 million takes hours to achieve and not 15min. The guy who hooked up the equipment sounds like he knows what he's talking about though

[@Ashalar]

Karl, it is about time you made a Billy Mitchell saga playlist, with episodes in chronological order. I came for your speedrun analysis videos, but I stay for the Billy Mitchell drama. :')

[@jacob1121]

He will need to make an abridged video, isn't it like 5 hours of videos by now?

[@Ashalar]

@@jacob1121 I don't mind. I just want to hit the play button on a playlist and watch it all from start to finish. ^_^

[@cericat]

@@jacob1121 possibly more, but some of us actually prefer longform content, there's currently several 10+ hour videos in my queue for when the time critical stuff is over.

[@revenile]

I'm in agreement, we even have a decent name for the playlist, the "Silly Bitchel Saga" because I will never get over Karl calling him that, I crack up every time I i hear it.

[@ssgoko88]

Remember that billy sued him? Probably once that suit is wrapped up we'll get that playlist

[@randomgamemvs4274]

pretty impressive how well he recalls something so insignificant from 40 years ago

[@OneMilian]

Just look at billys face when interogated. Is this the face of a proud man?

[@StoutShako]

I thought it was closer to 20 years?

[@nerrilsquts6603]

I love videos that get into details of things like this. Its like law and order for nerds.

[@RedotMikey]

His lawyers are lying on his favor????? CANT BE

[@ArcadeJason]

I believe I was the first guy to record video using the same 2 bits hardware that Billy used with a donkey kong machine. the video is on my channel. One thing to consider is the two bit board produces a non standard NTSC color burst. because of this many VCRs cannot read the color signal and instead record a black and white image. I noticed in the red joystick picture it shows what model VCR was used . If you want another smoking gun buy that VCR and see if it can even record in color while connected to the two bit pcb.

[@utubepunk]

JASON! How are you doing these days?! I miss your videos, man! Hope you, the family & collection are doing well.

[@ossian108]

This comment needs to be seen!

[@MenachemSchmuel]

then how could the image at 6:37 be in color?

[@ArcadeJason]

@@MenachemSchmuel since the color burst signal is not standard not all devices can see color. in fact most devices do not see color. from the two bits pcb. there is an added level of complication involved when recording with a vcr .

[@MenachemSchmuel]

@@ArcadeJason that doesn't answer the question. The tv image at that timestamp is being fed through the same converter board and VCR that billy is claiming to have used. If it couldn't read the colors, then the image wouldn't be in color.

[@GoodMomo]

It really is sad for someone like Billy, this is a person who had a huge moment in life but could not accept that he could not stay there forever and is desperately grasping at any chance to keep any of that intact.

[@joshb.9380]

Aside from the people hurt by his litigation, of course, that is the really sad part in all this frantic scamming: if Billy could have just rested on his laurels from his legitimate gaming accomplishments in his youth, he would still still be a beloved minor celebrity in a niche hobby circle. He could still go around to all the conventions and sign autographs, take photos, and sell a bit of merch, while enjoying a good time with the arcade enthusiasts and being a good sport toward new record-setters. Even his “heel turn” on King of Kong could have been laughed off with a wink, and everyone would have loved him even more for it. But, as you say, he seems to be unable to gracefully retire or even quixotically push for legitimate new scores when he is likely to lose to newcomers. Instead, he has tarnished it all with his lies and false litigation. It’s just a shame.

[@xtrwombat4876]

Does anyone know why he cares so much about his fake donkey kong score? was he making money from his fake guiness, that case I kind of understand why he would spend so much money on lawyers even though it was for the wrong reasons. but if he was not everyone already knows its fake and billy is pretty irrelevant. So why spend so much money defending a fake donkey kong score no one cares about???

[@themakerstoolbox9688]

​@@joshb.9380The craziest thing to me is that he brought lawyers into such a niche hobby when, realistically, does it even matter that much. I love this hobby, I really do. I think the accomplishments mean so much. I think the people who pull them off are incredible. I think it's a genuinely worthwhile hobby to spend your time with. Do I think it is worth lawyers, litigation, and serious amounts of money? No I don't. He is suing people and disrupting peoples lives over a high score in Donkey Kong. Its so childish. Its so absolutely unnecessary. Imagine of exposed cheaters in speedrunning started suing. It would be ridiculous and everyone would point and laugh.

[@Sanddancer75]

Both Walter Day & Billy Mitchel were guests at the North East Retro Gaming event in England a couple of weeks ago. I thought there looked to be an atmosphere between them as they sat at adjacent tables. I never realised all this was still going on.

[@mafyboy0420]

If my GRANDPARENTS can tell you that the OG DK control stick was black, then someone is/has been doing some shady shit.

[@jimfoon]

Please put these into a channel playlist with all the Billy Mitchell videos in chronological order. I wanna spread it around more and it's a great way to get people into this story line and your channel!

[@onagda]

"The Silly Bitchell Saga"

[@JoeTAC]

You can do it yourself and share the playlist publically.

[@barakobama8194]

Billy and Todd Rodgers

[@grimmsoul3096]

"the silly bitchell and todd toges saga" (togers + roges)

[@jimfoon]

@@JoeTAC perhaps I shall do just that you absolute legend

[@januszkurahenowski2860]

Damn, this didn't really turn out how Billy expected it lmao. He wanted to shut people up by threatening slapp lawsuits but achieved the exact opposite result, basically Streisand effect by bringing more attention to his cheating.

0:16 Is no one going to mention that Karl made "Billy Mitchell" into "Silly Bitchell", which couldn't have been more perfect?