Bilstein 5100 / 4600 vs Rancho RS5000X / RS7MT / RS9000XL

[@1FiftyOverland]

I got over 100k miles on my rs9000xls and I can most definitely still feel the difference in the adjustments. But they have since started leaking, and the right front one has cracked at the lower bushing ring

[@ShockSurplus]

we appreciate the feedback!

[@oneeyeddog3045]

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[@oneeyeddog3045]

RS 9000 XL on 07 Chev 2500 4x4 stock worst shocks ever owned on/off road rebound bucking constantly. Washboard roads seem decent, but any pot holes...it's on. Waste of money.

[@1FiftyOverland]

@@oneeyeddog3045 rs9000xls don't come stock on any truck.

[@erichernandez4179]

Rancho has a lifetime warranty, get you some new ones from them….

[@AquaticLogic]

Really appreciate this review! You guys are what makes KZbin amazing. Empowering consumers to make good decisions.

[@ShockSurplus]

Our pleasure!

[@justinweier4099]

I put a set of Rancho's on a Dodge a few years ago. All I'd ever heard back when I had my previous jeep was how great Rancho's were. Well, 15K miles later I yanked them. At that point, it was like not having shocks on it at all. And the wear and tear on other suspension and drive line components had already started getting bad. Replaced them with Bilstein 4600s, and never had a problem again. The ride quality was better than it had ever been. When the Rancho's came off they were completely shot. Worse than the economy Monroe's that I had originally replaced. Bottom line; if you are building a trail-only rig; they are great. Daily driver or work truck? Stay away. Rancho's just are not made for longevity.

[@ShockSurplus]

Definitely hear this a lot! Ranchos used to be the shocks to have 25-30 years ago, but the Bilsteins are pretty hard to beat. It is funny you mention Monroe though, as they are owned by the same company as Rancho.

[@justinweier4099]

@@ShockSurplus Yeah, I wasn't aware of Rancho being made by Monroe until a couple years after I threw the Ranchos on the Dodge. Had I known that before purchasing, I wouldn't touch them with a 10-foot pole (just one more reason to avoid). I did 2 cars with "easy struts" at the same time a while back. One I used a Monroe OEM ride quality set, and on the other I used KYBs. The Monroe's didn't ride any better than the ones I took off. The KYB's on the other hand were excellent. Pulled the Monroes off after less than 1000 miles. The old "trusted names" from back when I first started wrenching as a kid have gone way downhill over the years. Don't even get me started on Moog lol.

[@hickynicky77]

I have the 9000s. They suck on my 2500

[@HairlipButcher]

I literally just bolted a set of the bilstein 5100 on my 2013 chevy 2500hd. What a freaking difference! I drive about 40 minutes each way to work on rough country roads. I just swapped them out after work at my parents(they live 5 min from my work). Just drove home on them and wow what a difference! The set of tires I have r sacked out too and I get new rubber in in less then a week and I can't wait!

[@MDC2020]

Bilstein 4600 made my 2003 Jeep grand Cherokee with 210k miles on it feel like a new Jeep on the road. It's amazing. Well worth the money.

[@ShockSurplus]

love to hear it!

[@TheDirtFighter]

I Just ordered shocks from you guys. I found a $10 discount code on line too. Good price for the Bilstein 5100. Its hard to find the 2 post top end shocks for some reason (at least my mechanic and tire shop can't find them).I got the 24-218023 for a 6 inch lifted GMC Sierra 2500. I already have Bilsteins on the rear I got last year....Damn GM 3/4 ton trucks you gotta rebuild the front end every 100K seems like....anyway, thanks for the comparison vid..very informative

[@JohnLee-ye4lr]

How long did shipping take?

[@TheDirtFighter]

@@JohnLee-ye4lr If I remember correctly about 3-4 days...It wasn't too long IMO

[@joewolfone]

I thought long and hard on the Rancho RS 9000's for my lift, but ended going with the Bilstein's 5100. I really do think I made the right choice.

[@ShockSurplus]

Definitely the right choice in our book!

[@seadoo4life127]

Are you getting beat up on the road?

[@Wicked_RotF30]

​@@seadoo4life127he has to justify what he bought....

[@enegronindc]

I’ve got a stock 2016 Jeep Wrangler JK that’s running the original shocks. I’m 98% on pavement and thinking about the Rancho 5500s due to ease of installation. Good choice? Bilstein installation videos on this vehicle seem to be difficult - especially the fronts.

[@jimc7320]

I have a 2007 Silverado 1500 with Monroe stock replacement shocks and am looking for a good shock for comfort and smooth ride for primarily daily use. Vehicle has 150,000 miles and is primarily a daily driver. Would like a softer ride with performance using a really good shock. Also, don't the springs need replacement on the front as well. Thanks

[@VACATRANSPORTLLC]

get the 5100 bilstiens and make to change the shock mounts at the same time makes a huge difference. And if you have a torsion bar the bushings change it to a polyurethane to give real control you don't have to but I did mine for that super awesome experience.

[@jmackinjersey1]

07 has a strut assembly, You can buy the entire assembly if you don't have the safe compression/separation cage and also if your spring is broken. Or you can but the shocks if you do have all of the proper equipment and your coil springs are in good shape.

[@wired_cha0s_279]

I have a 2022 dodge ram 3500 dually and put in the rancho rs9000xl. I do mostly towing and hauling and was wondering what would be the best setup for those shocks?

[@scottleggejr]

I replaced the OE ranchos with bilstein and feel like they're softer but way more progressive than the OE shocks. I find it interesting you're saying the opposite. I raced offroad for ~6 yrs with king 3" 5 tube bypass shocks. I drive a duramax though so less unsprung weight than the ram with a solid axle. I think they're equal all things considered. My rancho didn't ever leak and the bilstein have about 5k miles on them about half pulling a 10k trailer.

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein uses a digressive piston, and not a high flow one at that, so we dont typically categorize that as progressive damping. They get really loose in the med/high shaft speeds. Duramax meaning chevy hd with torsion bars? We dont have a torsion bar vehicle on staff, lots of our reviews are on IFS and solid axle (ram, wranglers), so this is only our experience and not necessarily universal truth. Thanks for the feedback though!

[@scottleggejr]

@@ShockSurplus all good man. Adding my experience for context, not correcting your content. Thanks for the conversation.

[@johndoeman9839]

I’ll get to the point, sellers have a higher markup/profit pushing bilstein and have reps pushing their product all over the forums. I’ve had the adjustable Ranchos on my 4Runner and Tacoma for over 100k and no issues. You can dial in a stiff neck setting for the bilstein ride and a Cadillac smooth setting on the Ranchos. Follow the sheep if you must.

[@Wicked_RotF30]

Right, there is a reason why the manufacturers are using the ranchos. They obviously perform the best all-around and of course, with all the extra bougie buyers today, the ride has to be nice and jot jarring. I will be buying ranchos for my Suburban Z71. I plan on putting 37s on my Yukon so ranchos may not work for that.

[@russianrick8403]

I haven’t tried the billsteins yet, but I was blown away by how my 2006 duramax performed on washboard dirt roads with the Rancho rs5000x, so when my jeep needed new shocks I bought those. I think the weight of my axles and the heavy duty springs provides enough stiffness. All I’m looking for is damping so they don’t bounce and so far it feels good.

[@hobonickel840]

I live off log truck dirt and I know all about washed out washboard clay and sand. I have a 2019 4wd frontier and I am trying to figure out my options so I can fly down these trepid roads without even a second thought ...don't like to have to slow down

[@russianrick8403]

@@hobonickel840 I'm not sure if a 2019 frontier has coilovers or shocks separate from the springs. If the shocks are separate, then it is easy to try something new without too much investment. A frontier is a light truck, so I wouldn't want particularly hard shocks on that, because you aren't going to feel much damping if the suspension can't move.

[@scottkraniak4874]

Tried many many shocks. But on my F250 the 9000XL is the cats meow. Set on 3 daily driving 9 for towing. No complaints and I keep a spare dial to.

[@ShockSurplus]

Spare dial is clutch! Glad they’re working for you

[@jasonschaeffer72]

I have a 17 F350 6.7 dually king ranch with the Ranchos and time for new ones. Looking for the best shocks for it. Thanks for the video

[@msgofast]

Bilstein 4600 best shock for std silverado 1500, soaks up jitters better, settles fast on rebound, ride is smother, rebound bounce gone, too many say 5100 too firm on std truck, but you guys never give any feed back on 4600, 4600 wins all day on a std truck, night and day.

[@ShockSurplus]

we're prepping to tear down a same-application 4600 vs 5100 to see the difference in valving. We sell tons of the 4600s and they're our favorite OEM replacement shock. You're right, we dont talk about it often though

[@bengagnon6947]

Yes more on the 4600 please lol I'm on the verge of deciding which shock to buy. Way more info on the other shocks out there

[@Warmspringsrezbuck]

Are the Bilstein 5100’s rebuildable or serviceable?

[@ShockSurplus]

No they’re not, very few 2.0 shocks are serviceable

[@daviddickerson8037]

I run a 2020 Ram 2500 and a haul a truck camper. My GVWR with truck and camper is around 9k. I use Timbrens in the rear but the rest of the suspension is stock. I experience a lot of bucking (some call it porpoising) when driving on bumpy highways or over expansion joints. Would Bilstein 4600’s help with the bucking?

[@ShockSurplus]

Do you have black stock shocks?? If so, the Bilstein 4600 will help tremendously and transform the ride noticeably, next comment is the URL to the product you're looking for

[@ShockSurplus]

www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-4600-monotube-gas-oem-shocks-set-2014-2018-ram-2500-4wd

[@StormLaker]

What is the ride comparison between the Bilstein 4600's vs the Rancho RS5000X? I just purchased a set of Rancho's for my 03' F-150. Haven't installed them, but that's what the truck came with- assuming they are the original from the factory. I had a set of Rancho's on a 92' Ford Explorer many years ago, and they had kind of a sporty/bouncy ride on the highway, but really helped with the body roll and safety of the vehicle. I had a 94' Chevy full size that had Bilsteins on it, but they were old and worn- so I really have no comparison of a new set. Thoughts?

[@ShockSurplus]

the rancho have a 32mm piston, the bilstein has a 46mm, so the rancho has a hard time damping rebound actions (suspension recovering after compression), which leads to some slop and heaving on heavier vehicles going up driveways or bumps. On the F150 this may not be too noticeable, but the Bilstein handle way way better overall, and 1 set of Bilstein will last 2 or 3 sets of Rancho shocks (if you're particular about how well the shocks are working) without issue. That bouncy ride isn't a feature, its a bug.

[@alvarofue]

I installed some RS5000X in my Jeep WJ as a budget off road alternative, as you said. I'm pretty happy with them. Compared with the Gabriel that I had previously, it was night and day. And the Gabriels were in good condition.

[@chodson65]

I have a Jeep Wrangler 2020 JLU Sahara. Towing 3000lbs with Hensley sway distribution hitch. Upsized 275 70 18 LT tires with no lift. No off road, just towing and mall crawling. What would be the best shock for this set up?

[@ShockSurplus]

5100s would be a great choice! They will be much better under a load, handle the extra unsprung mass of the bigger tires great, and should even ride and handle noticeably better unloaded.

[@chodson65]

​@ShockSurplus thank you, definitely going to the 5100's.

[@zacharyryan1719]

I have a Ram 2500 4x4 with the stock shocks and it rides rough. What would be a good daily driver shock for rough roads? I would like as smooth a ride as possible?

[@ShockSurplus]

If you still like to use it like a truck then I would recommend a Bilstein 4600 otherwise if you want the smoothest ride possible, you are not doing a ton of towing and hauling, then you are probably best served in a Fox 2.0.

[@medicchester]

​@@ShockSurplusCarli recommends Fox 2.0 for daily drivers.

[@rampagepr3524]

What you guys recommend for Tacoma 2012 Prerunner is stock height 4600 or 5100 sometimes heavy stuff in the bed not always. I don’t want it to be to stiff but I want something better than factory….

[@ShockSurplus]

If you are not going off road, do not plan to lift or level it, and plan to keep it at close to the stock tire size then the 4600s would be the better choice. Otherwise the 5100 would be the way to go.

[@rampagepr3524]

@@ShockSurplus i already have them instal 5100, bough it from you guys. Like them not hard but not too lose..

[@richardisaksen9366]

How about a fox 2.0 and rancho rs7mt comparison?

[@ShockSurplus]

We dont have a comparison against the new RS7MT, but the old RS7000MT and others - kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHqkkq2PibSfqrM

[@jmackinjersey1]

Rancho shocks really shine on trucks or Jeeps that see a ton of off roading, where the softer compression is needed more, especially on faster moving vehicles, like pre-runners or Baja set ups. Bilstein is known more for the on-road and occasional off road rigs.

[@joecarreiro4246]

Hi there i have a 98 dodge ram 2500 5.9 v8 magnum.. rear leafs and independent on fronts can i use the bilstien 5100 series on this truck

[@seadoo4life127]

Thoughts on the MT’s vs the 9000’s. 2021 Wrangler. Looking for a softer daily shock.

[@ShockSurplus]

the 9000s can ride like the 7MTs on certain settings. The 9000s can be made softer than the MTs in our opinion, but also firmer.

[@megalos2010]

Thanks for the great video. I have a 2015 F250 diesel with a Carli Starter 2.5" system with the add a pack. The shocks are too stiff on the street for my liking. Carli says I need to drop thousands more on full leaf springs and reservoir shocks. Would any of the options in this video provide me with a more plush street ride with acceptable dirt road performance? This truck will never mob through the desert at high speed.

[@ShockSurplus]

I do not think either a Rancho or a Bilstein would be the right choice for you, but a set of Fox 2.0s should soften things up a bunch. If you are planning on doing any serious towing or hauling we do recommend going for the CD adjustable option though.

[@salimguesw6718]

I'm interested in putting the bilstein on my uzj100 landcruiser but not sure if i should go with 4600 or 5160 .....15%off-road 85% street

[@ShockSurplus]

the 4600 is for stock height, the 5100s are for a slight lift and are a bit longer than stock. feel free to text us 213-433-3616 for immediate help on your vehicle, or email [e-mail]

[@bigvee3185]

Great video. I have a question I know obviously if I wanna do a 2 in level I would buy a 2in level shock. What if I wanted to change out my factory shocks in the back just for a smoother ride than factory. Do they offer shocks for that just plain upgrade from factory?

[@ShockSurplus]

Yes, absolutely! Depending on application, there are usually stock height options from Bilstein in the 4600 and 5100 lines as well as just about every Rancho model line

[@thedude828-ed2nn]

Go with Bilsteins 5100

[@krod2162]

I have RS 9000 shocks on my lightweight Jeep. YJ and the adjustments are like night day difference from the stiff setting to the light is setting Iwould think on a heavy vehicle. You might not notice the adjustment that much.

[@ShockSurplus]

Actually you probably would notice the same amount of difference on something heavier or with more motion ratio, you just generally have to set them up at the stiffer settings if that makes sense.

[@johnmcwade222]

Would like to see you guys test out Teraflex shocks and Metalcloak shocks for Jeep Weanglers.

[@ShockSurplus]

Falcon shocks are on the agenda for sure!

[@impulse3150]

Hey! I just purchased the Ranchos from your site for my JK wrangler. I currently have 5160s and I am trying to make the jeep friendlier to ride. It's really rough with the Bilsteins. My guess is the 5160s are even tougher than the 5100s. Has that been your experience? What should I expect with the ranchos compared to the 5160s? I am not installing them for a few months at least because I am coating the whole undercarriage before replacing the shocks. It sucks because I spent double the price of the 9000s for the 5160s.

[@iSeaUnplugged]

Any recommendation for 1997 ford f250 7,3 diesel raise few inches due to adding in Dana 60 in front i have Bilstien but not sure there the answer for this old girl 285 tires

[@ShockSurplus]

if its a farm truck and you just need something to keep it steady, skyjacker M95 aren't bad. If its a work horse and you need something to last, Bilstein is recommended

[@calgreco8607]

I have used both Bilstein all the way!

[@ShockSurplus]

amen

[@tonyfourpaws4511]

lol.. im currently looking to upgrade my shocks but i live out of my jeep fulltime and fight wildland fire in the summer. money is tight. im looking at the Rs5000x set on your site. they are currently in my cart but i need to make some more money to actually pull the trigger and still have enough money for my next 1000 mile trip. also, was this filmed in landers?

[@mikemaupin8364]

I have a 2018 ram 2500 that has the yellow bilstein shocks that i have assumed were the 4600s this whole time but noticed you said they are not the same. I was curious what the difference is and if i can expect a better ride quality over the stock versions? Thanks for your time.

[@ShockSurplus]

Generally the factory yellow Bilsteins on most applications use a smaller piston and body than a 4600. This means in most cases, the 4600s offers better ride, handling, and overall support compared to their smaller OEM counterparts

[@MrWhitelightning73]

I bought cheap shocks for my 02 Frontier. You get what you pay for. That’s why I’m here. Im going to spend the extra money on a good set next time. Im gonna get one of these. Leaning towards Rancho

[@ShockSurplus]

Ehhhh I do not know about those Ranchos if we are being honest. They have been pretty hit or miss with quality, but Bilstein would definitely be a great choice.

[@MrWhitelightning73]

@@ShockSurplus Thanks

[@dylanwaldun8890]

Do you have any recommendations for a 1999 Dodge Ram 1500 4x4 it drives on Page Road for the most part but does go on dirt roads and a little bit of minor off-roading but usually when I'm off the road I'm not going very fast beating the truck to death I would rather have a smoother ride than handling for the most part

[@jordan7091]

I had/have ranchos and first set lasted 30k miles, the adjuster broke on the softest setting after a year so I couldn't adjust them after that which made every day driving and especially long road trips super annoying and sometimes probably dangerous as I was bouncing all over. I only did about 1,300 miles of washboard roads in a total of 6 100ish mile trips and they were absolutely dead after 30k miles too. I got a second set for some weird reason. Won't be going back to these, that's for sure. 1st gen Tacoma, 1.75" lift nothing else modified

[@ShockSurplus]

haha weird reason! lots of options for that truck now, check out eibach and our reviews there, great second option

[@pathfindermilitaria]

We have a 21 gmc sierra with a duramax 3.0. We haul a trailer a lot. It has about 50k on the original rancho shocks. What would you recommend for new shocks? We were looking at the rancho rs9000xl. But open to suggestions.

[@lensleymartin4002]

I have a Ram 2500 hd looking for the best shock will handle v snowplow

[@ShockSurplus]

Definitely would recommend a Bilstein. They are digressively valved monotubes, so just on design alone they should handle the extra weight the best without sacrificing comfort when you do not have the plow hooked up.

[@jesussalazar2190]

Hi team… I have a Jeep liberty 2011 I saw your channel and is great! I lift my Jeep 1.5” and with original shock is too soft like moving around witch brand would you recommend for rear shock absorber if I like a firm ride… not a vehicle moving like without control… firm ride and soft! Thanks in advance for the orientation!

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 5100s all the way

[@danhotchkiss8699]

I wonder what would be better for an 09 100 towing a 6000 pound camper

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein is our vote for hauling and towing duties

[@jasonblanton7211]

I want to upgrade to Bilstein shocks. I have a 2015 Silverado 1500 Lt. i only tow a camper (#8,000) once a year. I want the comfort over the bump on the roads and a shock that will handle the towing without the truck sagging or looking like it’s straining to tow. Should I get the 4600 or the 5100?

[@ShockSurplus]

we'd recommend the 4600 for that. If you've found your rear end sagging often whether from towing or hauling stuff, there are a couple options to help prevent that. Namely some supersprings that act as a foam spring to prevent the sag, or a small leaf pack addition to provide +1" of ride height

[@jamesmurphy4431]

What would you recommend for a 2003 Silverado 1500 HD 2WD crew cab? No lift, stock tires -- but considering one size increase to AT tires for gravel forest service road driving. Also for daily driving.

[@ShockSurplus]

Rancho RS7MT or RS9000XL are going to feel softer and more comfortable on forest service roads, and bad roads in general. Bilstein excels at handling and that sporty feel. KYB Gas-a-Just are also a good option for a mix of both on a budget www.shocksurplus.com/search?query=%20chevy-1500

[@montana4069]

I drive on quite a bit of gravel roads... I have ranchos on my Silverado... I just want my shocks to hold up to the abuse of the switchbacks that I drive on... Do you think I should stay with ranchos or do you think I should go with Bilstein shocks 🤔🤔🤔🤔

[@victorekeh6752]

Where was the gas in the rancho rs9000xl...is it in the second tube and was it in a gas bag or just filled there

[@ShockSurplus]

gas is in the very inner tube, and its not contained to a bladder. we've cut one apart and didn't find any bladder

[@victorekeh6752]

@ShockSurplus but how many tube is the rancho shock, and in which number of the tube was the nitrogen gas at and is the gas full to the top or just a little bit

[@jaynorton3178]

I’m driving mainly gravel roads/washboard and pavement. Is the Bilstein 5100 going to be comfortable enough on washboard or should I go rancho rs7mt?

[@leonardcusumano3524]

If I’m going to use ran home springs to lift my truck 2 1/2” should I use rancho shocks or bilstein. I don’t do any off reading or towing, please help

[@ShockSurplus]

For the most part, Rancho shocks are a softer ride than Bilstein. Even with that said though, we still recommend Bilstein over Rancho, they last longer, and more predictable, although a bit sportier. Feel free to text us 213-433-3616 for details or question, also subscribe!

[@sevensinsvelocityshop7563]

The double and triple tubes also help with heat dissipation

[@ShockSurplus]

That is certainly the intent of the design, but in function we find they end up cavitating or fading from heat a lot faster than a monotube. If heat dissipation is a concern, a monotube like the RS7MT or the Bilsteins are the way to go.

[@Erik-pv2sr]

I have a stock avalanche and I do not do dirt or trails. I may eventually tow but no plans for it now. I want the smoothest ride possible but we have terrible roads around Ft. Hood. What would you recommend?

[@ShockSurplus]

I would definitley give Eibach Pro Trucks a shot. The Bilsteins are a little firm if you do not have any immediate plans on towing and the Ranchos are usually completely under damped, particularly on rebound, and are somewhat prone to defects. The Eibachs use a very similar monotube design to a Bilstein 4600 or 5100, and are built to about the same lofty standard, while being tuned a touch softer to be a little more plush for the average person.

[@ryoc2138]

​@@ShockSurplusI bought a set of the Eibachs, based on advice fromShock Surplus...they are worthless...they ride 100% the same as the factory shocks that removed with about 40k miles on them

[@riverrivers250]

Hmm.. i live in a dirt road area with alot of potholes and washboards….. my 2018 f150 feels so rough and stiff hitting the bumps,,,,, im almost wanting to try out Ranchos… with the zero lift,, “rs5000x” it says,,,,, i want a comfortable ride,,, which would you choose?

[@ShockSurplus]

we'd splurge for the rs9000 adjustable shocks, so you can tune in how you like, they go softer than the rs5000x as well.

[@jaynorton3178]

Do the front rancho rs7mt have the ride height adjustability like the 5100’s?

[@Kenneth-oj5sf]

Can you recommend what shock is best for 2017 Dodge Ram 1500 for greatest smooth luxury type feel?

[@kennyluu2470]

would the rancho rx7mt shocks in the rear and bilstein 5100 adjustable strut be a good combo for my truck? or would the rancho rx7mt 2" level strut be better? i daily drive and want a comforable ride don’t care with body roll etc. 2021 gmc sierra 1500

[@TracySwenson]

What Bilstein is coming as stock on Chevy HD pickups (Chevy high country ), should I upgrade to 5100’s?

[@ShockSurplus]

There are not any Chevy HD trucks currently coming with the Bilsteins, but Rancho shocks are on all the Z71s. Eitherway, 5100s are a great upgrade over the stock options

[@peahead2632]

I'm interested in putting the Bilsteins on my 4wd 2019 Colorado, but not sure if I should go with the 4600 or 5100. I tow a boat and trailer that run about 2000 lbs. total and don't really drive off road. What will give me the best ride?

[@ShockSurplus]

4600s for sure!

[@ryoc2138]

How well do the Rancho 9000s control rebound? My Gladiator rides horrible on the highway, I feel every bump and I inperfection in the road and on concrete interstates the truck bounces or bucks constantly, which I assume is a rebound issue. The Rancho 9000 sounds like it could improve on road ride in terms of the harshness, but I still wondering about the bouncing or bucking...

[@coltinkerstin5774]

What’s your tire pressure at? Larger heavy tires need less psi usually

[@ryoc2138]

@@coltinkerstin5774 right now around 33 psi seems to be best, but over the oast 2 years, lower tire pressures made it bounce horribly. Anything below 36 psi was unbearable. Since I've removed the weight from the bed, I can run d9wn to about 32...anything less and it rides awful. I know it makes no sense and defies logic, but that's what it's doing. I'm on my second set of Falken wild peak at3ws and already gone through a set of KO2s and they all have rode the same

[@ShockSurplus]

Truthfully the one place the Ranchos are probably the worst is in rebound. Even with the adjuster turned up they still do not do a great job at locking down bounce. Really the Bilsteins are much tighter and more controlled on rebound

[@ryoc2138]

@@ShockSurplus my only concern is with the digressive valving...the falcon 3.3s I had were digressive valves and they rode horrible

[@thatpointinlife]

I have a '97 Taco rwd, 2.4L base model that needs new shocks, but I'd like something in a monotube design to replace the stock shocks, since I live in CA and, by default, pretty much all of our roads are bumpy and rough. Would the KYB Gas-A-Just be a good compromise between the recommended OEM replacement Excel-G's and the pricier Bilstein 4600's? I don't need anything super stiff (heck- it's a mini-truck), just want something a step up from stock/OEM. Thanks.

[@ShockSurplus]

The gas-a-just would be a tad firmer than the excel-g, but not as firm as a bilstein

[@IvanAyala-lg6gt]

What shock absorbers did you buy for your Tacoma?

[@Levitico00]

Looking to get some shocks for my 2018 f150. I want the smoothest ride possible with some longevity. what do you recommend? I was thinking about getting the RS7MT but I’ve heard bad things about the lifespan of them. Also when replacing the front should I just get the shocks and coil spring assembly? Or is that unnecessary? I’m on all stock suspension no level kit or lift. Want to keep it that way. Thank you in advance

[@ShockSurplus]

Sure I would probably lean towards an Eibach set up if you want longevity and something that rides a little softer. You do not necessarily need a complete assembly as the springs last nearly forever on these trucks, but it would be a good idea to change out your top hats and such while you are down there. Eibach has both their Pro Truck Sport circlip adjustable struts which are similar to the 5100s or if you want a complete assembly they have their 2.0 coilovers as well.

[@yigitmehmetozbek6633]

Hello I want to change my GMC Sierra 1500 AT4’s OE Ranchos.What your advice?Ride comfort and durability is the most important thing for me.Thanks.

[@ShockSurplus]

Budget is always a big factor, but we have definitely seen huge gains in comfort, control, and reliability from the Bilstein 5100s and 6112s.

[@yigitmehmetozbek6633]

@@ShockSurplusmany thanks.Can I Use 6112s with Duramax 3.0 engine?

[@vmelvin5308]

Suggestions!!! 04 tundra limited completely stock I desire to take the truck on all types of terrain and all places and daily driver 50% on road 55% off road ,desire build 2inch lift with Baja bumper with winch roof rack with gear and roof top tent carry more gear in bed and tow a trailer here and there with atv or car maybe

[@ShockSurplus]

We immediately think about the Bilstein 6112 + 5160 setup on that vehicle, fantastic price for a 2.5 front shock and springs, would handle all the gear / load, and perform great in the terrain of choice. Another good one is the Icon stage 2 kit that comes with new rear leafs www.shocksurplus.com/search?Year/2004/Make/Toyota/Model/Tundra/DriveType/4WD

[@raymundohernandez9308]

What would you recommend for a GMC sierra Denali 2500 , I’m towing a dump trailer everyday,

[@raymundohernandez9308]

It’s a 2020

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 5100s all the way

[@mikemike827]

I’m purchasing user 5100 Bilstein for my F250. How can I tell if they are still good. How much force should they hold before compression? Is there a bench test for that ?

[@ShockSurplus]

if they rebound at a good pace when compressed, they've still got lots of compression available, and that's indicative of no leaks and still in good shape.

[@AZplinkster91]

After reading some of the comments I’m regretting buying the rancho kit. It came with 9000xl adjustable in the front and RS5000x in the rear. I haven’t driven it much but it definitely isn’t smooth on the highway. I’m going to play with the adjustments and see how it goes

[@ShockSurplus]

Adjusting it should certainly help! From the sounds of things you are probably on the stiffer side of the 9 settings.

[@ObservingTheSus]

How the shocks work out?

[@AZplinkster91]

@@ObservingTheSus at first i didn’t like them but once I adjusted the dampers they have grown on me.I haven’t done much off roading. I did haul some tile and they held up fine.

[@joecarreiro4246]

Hi there which bilstien will work with 98 dòdge ram 2500 rwd 5.9 v8 gas front and back

[@ShockSurplus]

The 4600 series work for that application, you can find the exact set on shocksurplus.com

[@ajmorley488]

I’ve got a 2020 Chevy 3500 HD (diesel) that came with the Rancho shocks. Looking to upgrade to a different shock for a better ride. I also pull a 35 foot 5th wheel and hardly go “off roading”. What would be a good replacement?

[@ShockSurplus]

I would definitely be looking at either a Bilstein 4600 or an Eibach Pro Truck for the truck. The Bilsteins will be the best under a load but might be a touch firm over smaller bumps at lower speeds and the Eibach will be a bit more comfortable but may have more sway than a Bilstein under a load. Either way, both options will be exponentially more stable and a good bit more comfortable than the stock or even any aftermarket Rancho shock.

[@pastorjeff4834]

I have a 2 inch lift on my 2016 ram in the rear. Will the Bilstein 5100 improve my towing in the rear on ram 1500. It seems to have a little bounce now hauling a 4500lb travel trailer. Thank you!

[@ShockSurplus]

Yep, the Bilstein will definitely make a difference over a factory shock or a twin tube shock for handling a load or towing, more composure overall

[@Fredmullegun]

whats the best lower budget (sub 200) for a low speed ford super duty 4x4? Based on this video the 5100's seem like the worst except Other people tell they control the heavy leaf spring rebound unloading better.

[@ShockSurplus]

We would not recommend running a set of shocks that costs less than $200 on a vehicle that weighs upwards of 3-4 tons, but there are plenty of great shocks for under $200 a piece that will be killer. If you are not hauling heavy loads and do not mind a little extra maintenance, nothing is as plush as a Fox 2.0 for the money. Otherwise if you want something maintenance free that runs on the softer side of things I would go for a Skyjacker M95

[@josephacker5716]

If I have 0 inch lift can I use the bilstein 5100s instead of the 4600s?

[@ShockSurplus]

Yes, both series will work on a factory height truck.

[@tomasalcainohamame260]

Hi I have a 2003 z71 avalanche with a 2.5" leveling kit and 33" tires, it currently has the OEM rancho shocks with 200k miles on them and theyre competly worn out so the truck bounces like a boat. I want shocks that are comfortable and floaty, I don´t tow and the max weight that I put on the bed is a dirtbike. Wich ones do you recommend?

[@ShockSurplus]

Eibach Pro Truck Sports or Skyjacker M95s would likely be the way to go. They are a lot more plush than the stock Ranchos and even the Bilsteins and Ranchos, but being a monotube, they will still be fairly stable and supportive with weight in the bed.

[@ColeyCLogan]

Why is there a Bilstian 4600 for my 2020 F550 but not finding a 5100?

[@ShockSurplus]

They do not make any unfortunately. Technically you can run the f-250/350 front 5100 shocks however there is not a rear shock that works.

[@keithpoliska5777]

I have a f 350 dually with a lance 1130 camper that weighs 3500 pounds. I have Rancho 9000 on the front. What do you think is better for the rear. Rancho or bilstein?

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein without a doubt. Their bigger pistons and digressive valving handle weight better and will last a lot longer.

[@raventzu3978]

I have a 2wd 2012 tundra with a 6 inch rough county lift. The ride is rough as hell. I hear good things about bilstein 5100s my truck is still struts and shocks stock. What should I buy for the smoothest ride?

[@ShockSurplus]

The 5100s will work well and should help out a bunch, Bilstein now has lifted rear shocks to fit that lift kit fronts 24-232173 rear 24-286251 www.shocksurplus.com/search?query=bilstein-5100

[@markrazon1085]

Hey im currently debating between the Bilstein 5100 and Rancho Rs7mt. I drive a 2020 Jeep Gladiator almost only on pavement and never go off-roading; however, i do tow a 2500lbs travel trailer nearly every weekend during the summer. Which would you recommend?

[@keon8625]

What did you end up going with?

[@ChingonChingon-dn6pu]

Does your online store ship to Mexico? I need 4 shock absorbers, two coil springs

[@ShockSurplus]

Yup! We ship pretty much everywhere

[@ChingonChingon-dn6pu]

@@ShockSurplus I have another question, my 1996 f250 truck has original height, the coil springs on your page say it increases 1 inch in height but I asked if it will be compatible with the Bilstein 4600?

[@alancamacho3253]

What shocks do you recommend for gmc sierra 2006 6 inch lift it has torsion bars and 35 tires

[@ShockSurplus]

A lot of it comes down to whether it is a 1500, 2500, or 3500 and how you plan on using it, however you will probably be pretty smitten with a Bilstein 5100 almost regardless of how you use it. They are known to be a little firm though, so if you like a super soft ride you might want to consider Skyjackers M95 line of shocks.

[@kylek620]

I have a 2022 GMC 3500 HD AT4 looking for a smoother ride on the street/highways. I don’t tow much at all. I’m just 6’9” so I need a big truck.

[@wesleykinder391]

I have a stock 2012 f250 diesel and want to change my shocks I have factory Ranchos on right now and I want a softer ride. It's beating the hell out of me now. What should I go with. I don't off road I really just use my truck to go to the golf course that's about it. Lol.

[@ShockSurplus]

A set of Fox 2.0s should do a heck of a job softening things up, however they can be a little loose under a load. So if you are doing any serious towing or hauling, I would go with a set of Eibach Pro Trucks instead. They are not quite as plush as a Fox, however they are still a heck of a lot better than stock and are much more stable under a load.

[@cain_g99]

would I go with aBilstein 4600 for my 2017 Nissan Titan SL RWD? Would that be sufficient if I decide to pull a travel trailer at around 8k lbs?

[@ShockSurplus]

More than sufficient. They are some of the best shocks under a load on the market.

[@Henry-rh8dn]

Is bilstein the best for extreme cold temperatures?

[@ShockSurplus]

We think so for sure! To be fair we have seen every kind of shock freeze up if it gets cold enough, including Bilsteins, but they seem to be the least failure prone of all the shocks we carry regardless of the brand, temperature, or condition. If you are in an area where they salt the roads come winter time, the Bilstein zinc plating can far outlast the paint/powder coat Rancho uses with just a little bit of care as well. Just keep them somewhat clean and wipe them down or spray them with a light oil like a teflon lubricant spray when the snow starts falling, and your shocks will still look brand new by the time things thaw.

[@Henry-rh8dn]

@ShockSurplus great thanks for the answer, I'm working on a 2011 Kia Sorento ex awd 3.5 liter, what's the number I would get, 4600 or bigger?

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein treats those more like a passenger car than a truck or SUV so they get the B6 Performance line www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-b6-performance-strut-shocks-set-for-2011-2013-kia-sorento-awd-fwd

[@mondavou9408]

Plus 1 for no noticeable difference adjusting my RS9000. Ran them on my stock Excursion (all street/hard pack dirt and towing use) after 8 years and 35k miles, they're done. Replaced my factory RS5000s with 5100s on my other truck, a stock F250 Super Duty and personally felt it was an improvement. The Excursion is going to get the 4600s.

[@justinsostak6272]

So what would be good for on road only

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein 4600s for sure

[@user-pp5or5og4k]

I ran rs9000 shocks for 150k mi before I sold the truck. Adjustablity worked for me. Lots of offroading and towing. I would buy Eibach over Bilstein. I currently run Eibach because they are a lot less harsh than the 5100.

[@ShockSurplus]

thanks for the feedback, glad you're liking the eibach

[@alexfrederick7411]

If I put Bilstein 5100's on my 2012 jeep jk will they lift it 1.5" without new springs? Also what you recommend for a duel steering stabilizer? thanks

[@ShockSurplus]

Shocks can not change ride height on something like a Jeep where the spring is separate of the shock. We generally do not recommend dual stabilizers as they usually make packaging a nightmare and often hurt clearance with little benefit to the steering. If you like the idea of a dual stabilizer, you can get all those benefits without the associated issues by running a pass through stabilizer like the Foix 2.0 ATS or TS. Often times they end up being cheaper as well

[@alexfrederick7411]

thank you@@ShockSurplus I'd like to know your recommendation for a 2.5" lift kit for my 2012 jeep jk. I want it to ride and handle good on the road. I run 35" tires on 17 inch rims.

[@jeromeburrasca6710]

Could you guys please do a video on Coilovers for lifted trucks, in particular 7” lift with a heavy winch bumper installed. Many of us in the Overlanding/ Prelander community need to know what’s the most durable. Thank you! ❤

[@ShockSurplus]

what truck do you have specifically and which lift kit?

[@jeromeburrasca6710]

@@ShockSurplus 7” dropped differential Rough County lift with Bilstien 5100’s attached to lift spacers up front and Bilstien 5160’s on the rear. I’m running 35x13.50 R20 tires. Heavy Iron Bull bumper with a 12,000 lbs winch. I do desert gravel roads every day. The vehicle is a 2011 Chevy Suburban 1500 4x4 with a gen 4 LC9 aluminum LS V8 in it. I also have a RiGd rear swing out tire carrier for the matching spare tire and 5 gallon Rotopack. I want rebuildable Coilovers up front ( perhaps some 8100 series Bilstiens). What do you recommend for this application??

[@drjd2real]

I have the yellow and blue Bilstein and they suck. When I added a little weight, my rear end started bottoming out.

[@ShockSurplus]

thats unusual to hear, what vehicle specifically?

[@drjd2real]

​@@ShockSurplus Infinity qx56. A shop just confirmed it. They said the 4600s are gone, and they barely made it through a year. I don't want to replace them with the same shocks. I'm probably getting the rs9000. The rear is bottoming out every time I hit a bump. I have Moog springs.

[@drjd2real]

​@@ShockSurplus ​ The mechanics got it wrong. The 4600 shocks are good. The moog springs went bad. I added Firestone helper bags inside the coils to fix the problem.

[@zztuber]

I own a 2021 tundra xsp.. when on the highways Between 45 to 75 mph my tundra handling seems to hop when driving over uneven pavement. What Bilstein shock would you recommend. Or any to prevent this crap from happening

[@ShockSurplus]

Truthfully even the 4600s should at the very least improve that issue. The stock shocks are fairly underdamped for how stiff the rear leaf springs are on the Tundras, so it really does not take much to help that out.

[@JayjamesTx]

I have a 2014 ford raptor svt which of the two would you suggest? Or any other alternative

[@ShockSurplus]

There's limited options for the Raptor in terms of aftermarket shocks, for you there's basically Fox, Icon, King. Or you can get your factory shocks rebuilt, which we also do. www.shocksurplus.com/search?query=2014-ford-raptor

[@JayjamesTx]

@@ShockSurplus thank you I’ll check your website out

[@jordan7091]

I have 1.75" rancho struts on my first gen Tacoma and i had to replace them after 4 years and less than 35k miles. Went to an offroad place that specializes in tacoma lifts and suspensions and they were surprised the ranchos lasted that long. They said they never have complaints or returns with Bilstein but see lots of issues or poor long term performance with ranchos. I do about 400 miles of offroading per year consistently and then any teups into the mountains for camping which is usuallay max of a few miles. Super disappointed in rancho struts from my experience. Also the adjustment part to dampen the response broke off after two years so i was stuck having to use the softest ride setting at all times. Not sure why they use plastic for that part

[@ShockSurplus]

Unfortunately that seems to be more and more the case with the Ranchos. They actually make that knob easily replaceable because that does happen often. The Bilsteins will definitely last longer and perform better for your uses so they certainly steered you in the right direction.

[@angelgarza5577]

I have a a 2000 ford ranger xlt, I'd like to buy some aftermarket shocks for it to increase ride quality. The truck is mostly used for daily driving with very little towing and carrying heavy stuff suck as wood. I'd like a smooth ride than can handle a few hundred lbs in the bed and still feel nice. I was looking at bilstein 5100 and rancho RS5000X I can't decide. Someone help

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein will only have the 4600s for that vehicle, and would be the sportier handling setup. The Rancho would be adequate, but the Bilstein will likely last 3-4x as long - way more durable.

[@richymind]

I have a 2011 f350 xl - I pull a horse trailer. What would be the best shock for me?

[@ShockSurplus]

We would go Bilstein for sure. If it is stock height and primarily used on the street go 4600, or if you spend a lot of time off road or it has a lift, the 5100s would be the way to go.

[@richymind]

@@ShockSurplus I did want to raise it a bit like 2 inches or so. Thoughts?

[@ShockSurplus]

If it is 4WD then the 5100s will work great at stock height or up to 2" of lift so those would be a great choice. They do not change ride height on their own, but if you decided to add a lift or leveling kit later, they would work great. There really is not an option from Bilstein for just 2" of lift in the front though. The 4600s are meant for stock height applications and the shortest set of 5100 front shocks is for a minimum of 4" of lift. If you do have a 2WD Skjacker has a set of M95s for 2-4" of lift that will work well also. They are not quite as long lasting or as good under a load, but they are close enough and still a heck of a lot better performing than a lot of other options.

[@orig66Super]

Does a softer shock mean lower mpg?

[@ShockSurplus]

no, never seen shock performance translate to MPG

[@bancrofthaughton1325]

I have a 22 highcountry and the rear end jumps around whoever I hit a bumpy road or uneven road What can I do to prevent that. Sometimes it feels as if the truck will jump out of control

[@ShockSurplus]

We definitely find that this current generation of GM trucks is really underdamped from the factory allowing for some pretty loose characteristics as you have unfortunately been finding out. An upgraded monotube damper like a Bilstein or Eibach will do wonders for improving control and comfort.

[@bancrofthaughton1325]

Thanks for the advice. What is a mono tube. Do you have the ones that will fit my truck. I’m looking for a reasonably price

[@ShockSurplus]

Basically the design of shock both Bilstein and Eibach use, which both make a couple options at various price points for your truck. If you hop on our website you can see all the options, but those two brands will probably be your best bet. www.shocksurplus.com/

[@bancrofthaughton1325]

My truck is stock. So I see you are located in ca. are they different to install or I would have to take the truck to a professional. I’m located in Texas. I like the bilstein. Is there I kit that comes with the pair of shocks. I would probably start with the rear because that’s where the issue is. Please give your advice Thanks

[@ShockSurplus]

They will install the same as the factory parts, but if you do not go with a loaded coilover like a Bilstein 6112 we have prebuilt for you or the Eibach 2.0 coilovers used in the Stage 2 and 2R kits you probably should take to a professional with a spring compressor.

[@jamesphillips7283]

So what's best shocks for heavy loads and trailers on 04 yukonxl 2500 2wd no air ride or rear steer ?

[@jamesphillips7283]

Firestone put 9000rx on it that runs on air ride that truck doesn't have adjusted all the way still get 4 inch drop with a empty 16ft flatbed trailer.

[@ShockSurplus]

The RS9000s do not reduce sag, if they are air operated that is just to adjust the dampening stiffness. Bilsteins would probably handle the load better but will not reduce sag whatsoever since they are just shocks. I would recommend running a set of SumoSprings or a Timbren SES bump stop kit

[@jamesphillips7283]

@ShockSurplus the mechanic that installed the shocks Firestone removed and replaced with 35.00 Monroe shocks didn't have information on on them just that they were duralast heavy-duty like 99.00 a piece I could load truck down with 27 sheets of plywood and it didn't sag but 1/2 inch and never sagged with trailer.

[@ShockSurplus]

Shocks really have no effect on ride height nor can they reduce sag, so any additional sag you are seeing now has nothing to do with the shocks

[@jamesphillips7283]

@ShockSurplus okay, just know they were really stiff . Think mechanic said something about coilovers or something. Unless Firestone did something to my leaf springs trying to milk me more than they actually did. I have noticed after getting truck back leaf springs have been squeaking.

[@remruff9082]

will the 4600 fit my 02 tundra with a 2in leveling kit?

[@ShockSurplus]

Yes, if its a strut spacer that mounts on top of the strut tower.

[@easyhangit604]

Hi. I have a 2017 gmc sierra slt z71. I DO NOT ever go off road. I want to use the rancho 5000. I have 90,000 miles on the original rear shocks. I live in southern NY. When i drive on the 440 near woodbridge, my truck scoots about a foot when i hit the pavement seams. ( you know what im talking about) I dont think bilstines would be MY choice. ?????? Any suggestions? Anybody?

[@ShockSurplus]

Definitely would not recommend the Ranchos at all. What you are explaining is the shocks being unable to damp the rate of the springs so a Bilstein 4600 would probably be the better choice.

[@easyhangit604]

@ShockSurplus . Which ones would be best for the front? I'm not lifted. 5.3l I've seen some brands that lift the front about an inch, but im not sure I want that.???

[@ShockSurplus]

Go with the 4600s from Bilstein www.shocksurplus.com/products/bilstein-4600-monotube-gas-oem-shocks-front-pair-for-2014-2018-gmc-sierra-1500-2wd-4wd

[@thomasroseman575]

I have a silverado 2500hd have a 14,000 gvw camper that i tow sometimes what do you recommend

[@ShockSurplus]

Bilstein is usually always our go-to for towing, far better than any Rancho product we've tested (all of them). Bilstein will also outlast every rancho product on the market

[@thomasroseman575]

@ShockSurplus should I use the 5100 I have the b&w slider about 350 lbs in bed all the time. Also how is the einbach for my situation thanks

[@thomasroseman575]

Forgot to add bought truck used how do I tell if they put a small lift on it

[@ShockSurplus]

Eibachs are not quite as tight in and handling and maybe a shade off the Bilsteins under a load, but they are a bit more comfortable. They are still a heck of a lot better than stock and any Rancho in those and any other departments as well.

[@ShockSurplus]

There is not a great way to figure out exactly much lift you have, especially with something that has torsion bars up front, but if you measure your shocks you can compare it to the listed lengths of all the shocks we have available to see what will fit best. www.shocksurplus.com/blogs/shocks-101/how-to-measure-your-shocks

[@genejones7208]

I know the Bilsteins save my butt , driving at 60 mpg and a dog runs out in front of the truck and had to do some evasive maneuvers to avoid hitting the dog, the truck didn't roll side to side the Bilsteins did their job