Paul Saladino CLAPS BACK to my Debunk of His Broccoli Claims | What the Fitness | Biolayne

[@DutchLiam84]

Paul also completely changes his story from "Eating broccoli causes all these issues", to "Cutting out broccoli may help reduce some already existing issues"....that is not the same as broccoli causing the issue, Paul!

[@PeterNorthCumshotLegend]

Autism confirmed.

[@jonwalch2901]

Quick one Layne. Do you breathe in through your nose or your mouth?

[@alanh7247]

dude's hatred of vegetable is ironic given his last name starts with salad.

[@Dan16673]

​@jonwalch2901 lol

[@cybervoid8442]

​@@alanh7247 Maybe he was bullied for that very reason

[@riteskills]

here is an anecdote - if I am lactose intolerant I'll keep telling everyone to stop drinking milk. If I am gluten intolerant, I'll say - hey, I went to no-gluten diet and it did wonders to me and "hundreds of other people", therefore all people on Earth should not be eating gluten... or shellfish... or peanuts, or whatever other intolerance I might have... This is why scientists came up with the idea of randomized studies

[@BrodeyDoverosx]

It’s so sad that you need to explain the point of studies. It’s 2024.

[@stargazerbird]

If you do those trails and then it is said milk does not cause gut issues based on those studies that leaves the lactose intolerant trying hard to make it work for years. Same with IBS.

[@lisleigfried4660]

But he specifically singled out those who were experiencing associated problems and stated that people who were thriving did not need to change their diet.

[@bigz5262]

Intolerance is different than allergy

[@heavenonearth1604]

WELL SAID THE CARNIVORE CULT DOES NOT TOLERATE DISAGREEMENT.

[@ketorising81]

Admitting there’s no studies and leaning on anecdote is not the clap back most carnivore people would see it to be.

[@Dan16673]

Right?

[@MrBiggharv]

Paul's not carnivore though.... so .. ?

[@dontgetrocked]

He acknowledged the studies plus added his own clientele experience making it interesting considering his following is bigger.

[@sustainer3510]

The plural of 'anecdote' is not 'data'

[@Teo_live]

To be fair to carnivores (and mostly-carnivores) there is very few studies for or against carnivorism right now so it is scientifically in an unknown stage. At best we can infer carnivorism has negatives since diets with plants in them tend to have positive effects, but that is admittedly taking a large leap of logic. Also I would trust carnivore anecdote far more than some other fad-dieting groups like vegans or 7th day Adventists that have non-human agenda or even worse an anti-human agenda (e.g., 'for the animals' which weirdly doesn't include humans, or 'end-cruelty' being the highest priority, etc). That is about as fair as I can be to carnivores.

[@herbertscott9575]

Theres a war on broccoli, what a time to be alive😂. More for me

[@Jordy-927]

Nah bud. Hollywood action stars will fight you for it. How else are they gonna gain 40lbs of beef for a role in 8 weeks if they don't have chicken, broccoli, and rice? 😂😂

[@Darling_Nicci]

😂😂😂

[@nomadismileseeker6611]

😂😂😂

[@cherylreed4377]

First world problems😮

[@theperipateticgumshoe9047]

My checklist when sniffing out BS is: 1 Has a product to sell 2 Makes statements that contradict well established science 3 Statements about conspiracy Once they hit 2 or more you really have to look deeper into what they’re saying. Paul routinely hits all 3.

[@MT-sq3jo]

Making a bold statement contradicting well established Scientific evidence helps establishing a conspiracy theory (and me against them mentality), which in turn, helps whatever snake oil one wants to sell to solve the fabricated problem nobody has 😂

[@user-kcrpine]

Covid vaxx…

[@jaghad]

I don't give much for Paul. Dude's a 🤡. But, saying that the field of nutrition has anything to do with science clearly shows who's been fooled.

[@WorldsUnhealthiestFitPerson]

Another point is that, throughout these videos, he insists on *smiling*. It's like he went to some "How to Snowball People" course and someone told him that as long as he slaps that grin on his face, someone somewhere will believe what he says.

[@Gianni21M]

food science is pretty shaky tho. alot of contradictions

[@TonyLynnCellullarNut]

A bit of context about the pig study that is referred to here. First, in the study we fed pigs 600 g per day of raw broccoli and at the end of feeding period the pigs weighed approximately 40 kg, which even with allometric scaling is well outside of the range of normal human intake, but proportionally less broccoli than some other animal studies have used. As such, our results need to be treated with caution and not just extrapolated to humans. Second, when the broccoli was blanched the genotoxic effect seemed to pretty much disappear and most broccoli is consumed by humans after cooking. What is probably not widely understood is that isothiocyanates (and indoles) are produced from other compounds in broccoli that are called glucosinolates. When broccoli is eaten raw, these glucosinolates seem to be broken down mainly to nitriles rather than isothiocyanates or indoles. So, eating raw broccoli probably releases more nitriles than isothiocyanates. Arguably lightly steaming broccoli would be the best preparation method to reduce nitrile formation and promote isothiocyanate (for example sulforaphane) production, should that be the aim. We did conduct another study (unpublished) were we observed a similar genotoxic effect of raw broccoli but not raw carrots so at face value eating 600 g a day of raw broccoli might not be a good idea if you are a 40 kg pig, but I doubt any human eats similar amounts; 'the dose makes the poison' and the model system also needs considering. Plant phytochemicals tend to exhibit hormetic effects where low to moderate intakes may stimulate beneficial effects (albeit often through causing a small increase in oxidative stress that turns on protective enzymes inside of cells), but larger doses may be toxic. There are other reports of genotoxic and mutagenic effects of various broccoli derived glucosinolates and their breakdown products (e.g. isothiocyanates) in cell systems and animal models, which throw up some interesting questions, but to my knowledge (although I don't work on broccoli anymore) there is little human data to indicate normal intakes of broccoli are problematic and indeed some evidence albeit largely from observational epidemiological studies that moderate consumption of broccoli is associated with health benefits. Although in people with some bowel issues there could be a medical rationale for adjusting fibre intake, but that would not just be focused on broccoli.

[@TasteOfButterflies]

As a 40kg pig, I appreciate your research into the health of my community.

[@rokzane]

Yeah, no one is eating 24 oz of broccoli a day. 🤣 It's been shown in other studies with cruciferous vegetables that a human would to eat POUNDS of these foods per day to have a negative effect on the thyroid.

[@karynstouffer3562]

Thank you for additional "science-y" information that actually makes sense. I'm not a scientist, but I do enjoy reading. Some of the things I like to read are, not the full study, but the reports and extrapolated information. The full studies are way above my comprehension level, but I can understand what they are saying, when boiled down.

[@chrishansen9379]

Awesome, thanks for the explanation!

[@plusultratrades]

Layne I absolutely love and appreciate that ur standing up and defending a real scientific approach! Please never stop

[@justinkoeckritz8273]

Pay closer attention to some of the studies Layne cherry picks, and leaves out key points. All of these nutrition "scientists" are just trying to get attention and views.

[@teg1187]

​@justinkoeckritz8273 Ya got some evidence or citations for that?

[@justinkoeckritz8273]

@teg1187 it's pretty blatantly obvious, just pay closer attention to the articles Layne shares and how he interprets the data to fit his narrative. He's been doing this for over 10 years

[@pchiethegreat1]

@@justinkoeckritz8273examples? Or are you just talking out of your ass like a typical carnivore zealot?

[@sebastianhoracioforondagon8813]

A real scientist approach ? This man is a buffon too , always running away from debates of people that know more than him.

[@JdSpoof]

Anecdote: when I eat more starch, vegetables and legumes my bowel movements normalize and they’re smooth, solid and comfortable

[@jackstratif6937]

The kind of anecdotes the world needs

[@MiguelRaggi]

"if you are thriving keep doing what you are doing". But of course in your 20's you can thrive on any diet for a little while. You won't feel the effects until later, when it's too late.

[@marcdaniels9079]

Exactly… this is what is so sad about the whole Keto and carnivore cults. They just don’t get it. You can smoke like a chimney and drink like a fish and apparently feel ok but unless you are super lucky the statistics will catch up with you.

[@TasteOfButterflies]

I guess "if you are thriving, get some blood tests anyway in case your lipids are scheming against you" doesn't sound as convincing to people who are looking for one weird trick for perfect health.

[@pathologicaldoubt]

Saladino: “we don’t need randomized human control trials , here is some anecdotal evidence I found online”

[@Marta1Buck]

"and I don't know these comments weren't lying"

[@sammavitae114]

Pulling it out his a**.

[@rasputozen]

It's literal brain rot in real time.

[@matijagrguric6490]

Anecdotal evidence is how you are alive today. All your ancestors used it to give birth to you today. Do RCTs have a similar success rate of benefiting human condition?

[@marcusgarvey9933]

Norton claimed in a debate with Saladino that a certain weak epidemiological study had proven causation....

[@JeffreysDharma]

I’m an advocate for plant-based diets, and disagree with Layne on a few things, but I can’t help but admire his intellectual honesty and genuine commitment to scientific rationality. Thanks for the quality content, always look forward to your work.

[@Two_Names]

Do you advocate for plant-based diets out of preference? Not arguing, just curious.

[@delanaveirs3411]

Layne at least has said based on the Science if he were to choose a “Diet” he would go Vegetarian. So kudos to him.

[@delanaveirs3411]

I loved being a vegetarian for 30 yrs. I had healthier markers then too but it was probably also because I didn’t consume “junk” food except on rare occasions. But lifestyle, partner, time, environment & $$ all led me to abandon it. I am moving back toward it now.

[@marcusgarvey9933]

Norton claimed in a debate with Saladino that a weak epidemiological study had proven causation...

[@rokzane]

​@@marcusgarvey9933 Cite the study. Pay up or shut up.

[@Iconic3509]

Hey doc ! Thanks so much bro for giving a balanced view . I love how you put ALL the associated information out on any given topic and let the listener formulate his/ her own opinions . Keep up the great work !

[@Sid00077]

Paul in 10 yrs: "Water is bull$hit" Paul in 20 yrs: "Oxygen is bull$hit"

[@loganwolv3393]

Doomers: "Being allive (especially today) is bull$hit".

[@sebastianboredal7486]

Paul in 20 yrs and 2 mins: "Oxygen cured my asphyxiation"

[@BigDog-tn8re]

Vagina is bullshit.

[@Bloozguy]

I do believe that somebody got people to sign a petition that called for government to stop using dihydrogen monoxide because it could kill you in high doses. Got lots of signatures. 🤣

[@Flugsvampar]

Paul still looking like a greek god in 10 years. Paul still looking like a greek god in 20 years. Don't you Americans put a bunch of flouride in your water?

[@evgenyzarov103]

I hope this podcast will come to life soon. Thank you Layne, great video as always.

[@pablov1323]

Paul Saladino, aka the man who thought Liver King was natty. How could we distrust him...

[@shinlanten]

For real?? 😆😆😆

[@carp3tstain]

Don't forget they went into business together.. They have both been caught in lies. They are both grifters.

[@sebastianpaez3809]

I tried Paul Saladino’s diet and mimicked it as much as I could. I actually lost some weight (not my goal; been an lean athlete all my life, 5’11, 155 pounds ish) and I think some of that was muscle; I also had horrible constipation that did not go away until I reintegrated veggies, grains, legumes, and nuts back to my diet. I felt very hungry most of the time despite eating tons of steak and ground beef. Layne helped me see through the bs a lot through videos like these. Can’t thank you enough! I gained 5-7 pounds of muscle after reintegrating these foods; my diet consists mostly of whole protein sources, fruits, veggies, grains, legumes, nuts and seeds; I rarely eat junk. I feel so much better. THANKS AGAIN LAYNE!!!

[@arvidlystnur4827]

Ya but if ya eat food without fiber you won't get constipated! Actually some was trying to convince of that nonsense.

[@sebastianpaez3809]

@@arvidlystnur4827 seems to me that different bodies process food differently. To my understanding, the science on this is not very conclusive; I’ve tried pure carnivore and felt similarly constipated. Maybe I’m used to having fiber? Don’t know… I wouldn’t say eating fiber is nonsense, though, tons of literature to support its role in a healthy gut and even longevity in general

[@stargazerbird]

@@sebastianpaez3809 I did try carnivore for a couple of weeks. Zero constipation. I get constipated when I eat a lot of fibre. It’s the way my gut works and there is nothing I can do to change it. When I get an IBS flare I go carnivore for a few days to calm it all down. People differ. That’s why those on carnivore communities are so enthusiastic and talk about conspiracies. Because the mainstream advice only made them sicker.

[@K4R3N]

I can eat meat or fiber just fine. Only high fat causes me some GI issues. I'm probably very normal.

[@arvidlystnur4827]

@@sebastianpaez3809 , I totally agree with you. I was being sarcastic. People react poorly to fiber because their system has been deprived of it so long, the body needs to readjust.

[@andrewcarter2358]

I did the carnivore diet for a while and felt amazing at first, and then started to feel like straight shit, and had trouble keeping my weight down. When I mentioned negative side effects, all the low brow “you don’t work out enough” and “soy boy” shit got thrown around. I still eat quite a bit of meat, but have switched back to eating a salad several times a week, and way more vegetables and feel 10x better. I feel balanced, with more natural focus and higher energy. I started playing basketball in the gym again, which I couldn’t do for years. Looking back I realized the carnivore shit became a cult and went way too far in an extreme direction . I’m glad I found Layne, who helped add counter balance to my life. My quality of life has improved significantly since getting on to him.

[@MegnificenceQ]

You might check out the book Toxic Superfoods, which talks a lot about Oxalate Dumping. Many veggies and nuts + some fruits & chocolate are high in oxalates that build up in the body. By eating animal based and cutting out oxalates, the body starts to dump them, which leads to feeling bad. A solution is to lower oxalate intake more gradually. I think that is a lot of what the feeling bad is about for folks who do animal based. But that may not be what's up for you, and I wanted to raise the point.

[@micahwheatley6880]

Turned on your last Salad Boy video driving on a work trip last week. My co-worker says, "I guarantee Paul Saladino knows more about nutrition than this guy." I almost crashed laughing.

[@davesmith826]

The funniest thing about Paul Salidino is the similarity his name shares to the food he hates the most. Can you imagine how angry Hitler would be if he was actually called Adolf Jew?

[@bmar740]

@@davesmith826 This is the best part of it all. I really do think he was heckled by his friends and family to always eat his veggies! He now uses his feeble mental gymastics to get back at all those salad lovers 😂

[@alexandercameron5624]

I'm heading home right now to eat a giant bowl of kale and broccoli in honor of Paul Saladino.

[@kestag2110]

Here’s an anecdote, I eat broccoli almost every day and I’m the healthiest I’ve been in my life. I also eat meat and carbs - I love baking bread both yeasted and sourdough. Occasionally I’ll eat some poisonous foods like donuts, ice cream and cheesecake, I savour and enjoy them when I do. 😂 I’m so sick of the BS thrown at me from these nonsensical influencers - I made a decision to only listen to evidence based information and then decide for myself. Thanks Layne

[@Dan16673]

Sourdough is so good

[@BillLinAZ]

I will actually be having broccoli with my lunch today. Paul is a jackass anyway.

[@psychoelectric]

Some of us don't have time to sit on the toilet 6 times a day to be healthy

[@Magdalena287]

I have fibromyalgia and have absolutely no issue with veggies either and love them, my husband on the other hand that has had IBS and other stomach issues since he was a teen feels his best with no veggies, I think we’ve stopped thinking critically and started living in an echo chamber instead of listening to our own bodies.

[@TheStruggler101]

​@@psychoelectric If eating brocolli causes you to go to bathroom 6 times a day, that is far from the norm and you would likely have some sort of digesgive issues.

[@zanzabar7878]

He said he's seen this in his practice. He's a psychiatrist. I didn't know shrinks gave out nutritional info unless brocoli makes ppl depressed?!

[@caseycardenas1668]

L take. Diet has a profound impact on all facets of our lives. As a doctor who practices clinical medicine whether it be general or psychiatric, it is their responsibility to treat illness and get at the root cause and not simply prescribe symptomatic suppressants. Unfortunately that is the most common practice in the western medicinal paradigm. If you think diet has no impact on psychiatric health, then you are a fool who has studied little and probably shouldn't be commenting on the matter, as is apparent by your OP.

[@HydeCyde]

Just so you know. Broccoli does make people depressed. I get depressed everytime I see the prices going up where I live. Same goes for cauliflower too. That's clinical depression right there.😂

[@rokzane]

​@@caseycardenas1668Sorry, but doling out nutritional advice is not the pervue of any psychiatrist, and not most doctors either. Most medical school programs only have one course in human nutrition, ONE. The appropriate and ethical thing to do for patients is send them to an RD, who ARE the experts in human nutrition; who have to have Masters degrees to be legally certified and complete 1200 clinical hours practicing dietetics in a variety of medical settings before graduation.

[@vb2806]

​​@@caseycardenas1668again, he has the money. He could easily do a study himself and not be seen as a joke. He won't because he won't find anything. He cites only studies which are in line with his agenda

[@caseycardenas1668]

@@vb2806 that didn't at all address anything I stated above.

[@michellechang2538]

Love your honesty and straight forward without B.S to public. Many of Doctors, scientists get online expressing their opinion even selling their own products and that just makes me question their credibility. Having say that, there’s still many Doctors & professionals are genuinely wanting to help people. I thank you for your bravery to come out to point out the hypocrisy & incompetency of online health professionals …. Love your work and continue the good work !

[@vinhsanity]

I tried carnivore a few years ago. My cholesterol sky rocketed and at 37 years old I started having acne issues like my teenage years again. Another friend tried it, and he got bad gout. It’s not for everyone, and probably not for most people. There’s a reason why humans have digestive systems that suggest we are best served as omnivores and need to eat a diverse source of foods.

[@AdrianColley]

"Human Randomized Controllable Anecdotes!" - Saladino, I imagine.

[@foraquid]

Tbh this guy is in it for the money; I don't think he is any different than a clairvoyant - praying on ambiguity and people's vague symptoms and wishful thoughts of easy answers. If anything he probably sees your videos as good PR, a chance to make more videos. Having said that, I am glad you make these videos debunking him with solid logic, because even if it just helps a few people avoid that trap, then it's worth it.

[@Anusdeur]

Kudosfor you Layne. This shows again that you really always have the open mind of accepting both sides of the argument if they are worth being accepted

[@toms8879]

yes, same as shawn baker. nothing is wrong with carnivore diet. its good for all, despite so many stories on youtube of people saying carnivore made them worse.

[@Rgamortis_]

Hey Layne I just wanted to say I did the carnivore diet and now I can fly and have a deeper connection to my root chakra. I think you should take anecdotes more seriously.

[@scotchbarrel4429]

😂

[@petemccutchen3266]

Are you joking?

[@TeeMac68]

​@@petemccutchen3266no. He REALLY can fly

[@jairagbir6080]

People who use cocaine and other similar substances initially feel the same way

[@guzziman]

This video is a short clinic in proper thinking, it applies to all things in life, from nutrition, to finance, to politics, etc...

[@benjamindover2601]

People will do anything other than eat a balanced diet in a calorie deficit and workout occasionally.

[@Kickitwithquan]

Balance is key in all areas and aspects of life!

[@jackcunningham3401]

I did see once that Bok Choi negatively impacted the thyroid. The guy gained weight. This was on an episode of House, a medical documentary. So that's clinical evidence.

[@Ray_MondOS]

He was also eating a massive amount of it lol

[@jackcunningham3401]

@@Ray_MondOS A pound a day. Such a dutiful wife.

[@samuelaubrey2612]

The carnivore Reddit page also bans people who talk about their negative experience on the Reddit page after trying the diet.....

[@katej2538]

Wow just found you, very impressed and eager to watch your videos. I have done Keto for over a year, stopped and now I’m struggling with weight gain.I’m eager to learn how to eat right, reset and be at my best health.😊

[@tomk2708]

"You choose your anecdote, I'll choose mine" is an extension of "my opinion counters your fact." As Layne says, scientific research is not perfect but it is the most consistent method we have to gather evidence. I've liked some stuff posted by Saladino in the past, but this really negatively impacts his credibility. You can't just choose clinical trials as evidence when it supports your bias and dismiss them when you disagree. Thank you Layne for the consistency and transparency in your approach.

[@BenjaminOglivie911]

It's the pesticides on the plants guys... it's the pesticides. I can't believe everyone is missing this.

[@Soulpurpose.]

True and the soil!

[@Joebammy]

Totally! But then just buy organic?

[@stump-bossBIll]

You NAILED it Dr. Norton! Awesome logic backed with humility, it's as simple as that.

[@ashk1988]

I'm so grateful for you Layne. As a nutritional sciences graduate, who is passionate about nutrition and health. It drives me mad to see this type of online click bait and scare tactics. It just confuses people more than anything, and makes people cut out random foods for no reason. The internet can be challenging enough to navigate without so much noise coming from all these so called experts. Keep doing your thing bro 💪

[@NockYT]

I'm so glad someone is finally saying something about this garbage. So much, "Oh well Paul's a smart guy, he's a doctor." I guess that would be the first time a doctor was unscrupulous/poorly researched/had ulterior motives. Except for that HIS WHOLE PREMISE relies upon EVERY OTHER DOCTOR BEING WRONG.

[@SilverSlugs16]

Layne: explains time and time again why relying on mechanisms to make conclusions without relevant human outcomes is a problem Paul: “well I don’t think we need human studies when we have ALL THESE MECHANISMSSSS”

[@Dan16673]

Yup. Theory just doesnt matching outcome is many human trials

[@bogrunberger]

I love that these videos come out on Fridays. I get so hyped up that I'm ready to attack the weekend with 100% energy.

[@Antonio-Sandoval]

I still don't know how these people maintain the plant-only and the meat-only diets, tried those out of curiosity and felt like shit in both occasions, a balanced diet taking care of the macros is the only way I truly started to feel alive mind you, after years of eating junk. I won't provide evidence because I don't have any, just my anecdote.

[@TasteOfButterflies]

A person on a plant-only diet would still be having protein, fat, and carbs. They aren't excluding any macros or food groups ("meat" is not a food group btw; it's part of the "protein foods" food group, which also includes nuts, tofu etc). A plant diet isn't automatically low-fat or low-protein or low-anything. So it isn't valid to compare it to a zero-carb zero-vegetable all meat diet.

[@Lieutenant-Dan]

100% man, you'll find those kind of comments on every health channel's comment section. Anything from fruitarian to carnivore, it's the same and it goes to the influencers head, like with Paul. They think they're helping and healing all these people and they live inside this echo chamber. It's having a polarising effect, as highlighted in the Social Dilemma documentary.

[@StraightEdgeJunkie]

Everybody feels better on the diet they tried as a result of being convinced to try it by an influencer; they believed in it prior to trying, so of course they get placebo. This isn't strange at all, or any kind of a mystery.

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

I think it's entirely different. They likely ate garbage that was ultra processed and once they switched to carnivore, removing all the trash foods, they felt better. Of course if you go from eating McDonalds and TV dinners and switch to only quality meat you will feel better. Imagine if they threw in fruits and veggies too

[@Juggernaut-fg2up]

Whether someone switches to veganism or carnivore they improve from Simply eliminating the processed foods and garbage

[@Corrans]

Also weight loss itself, on any diet, can lead to huge improvements.

[@husseintammam4691]

I think that's a little patronizing. Many people do experience health changes from dietary changes. And I think there is often a good reason for it. As others mentioned before I think it is often due to adding more whole foods in the diet. Another thing is that if you're adding a food group that you've neglected in the past you might be addressing some nutrient deficiencies. e.g if you add dairy to your diet, you're gonna get more calcium, more beef you might get more zinc, more veg you might get more magnesium plus all kinds of vitamin deficiencies. And in fact there's probably a lot more people with marginal deficiencies than you'd expect. Look into the ones I mentioned previously, zinc, magnesium and calcium. Also in my experience in poor health people struggle with a lot of foods and have negative reactions to certain food groups, and so cutting them out can lead to temporary improvements. But in the long-term you probably want to be able to incorporate most foods and have a healthy digestion and immune system that can tolerate most foods. Overly restrictive diets often make the problem worse in the long-term because it just makes it harder to get all the micronutrients you need.

[@jonlanman1439]

Would love to see this conversation happen. Appreciate your breakdown of these topics and holding these guys accountable to their statements.

[@Lee.b190]

Even when Paul mentioned the pig study he also said that was raw broccoli well I’m sure if I ate raw broccoli it would upset my stomach too 🤣🤣 most people eat broccoli cooked

[@pattressel3864]

There is another danger with any sort of "one weird trick" that involves people's health. This is the danger that, in trying that trick, or believing it might "be working", due to placebo effect or wishful thinking or psychosomatic response, a person might delay medical care that would uncover the actual cause of their symptoms. What if their "gut issues" are due to colon cancer? What if their "fatigue" is due to leukemia?

[@Faavtro]

This literally happened to my mother in a way. She was told by alternative medicine charlatans that drinking “bone broth” would cure everything. Anyway, she died of breast cancer because she refused to go to a doctor lol.

[@davidbanksnutrition]

What would we do without Layne!? It’s so great to see someone call BS on these absolute shit talkers, and plus he’s hilarious 😂

[@marcusgarvey9933]

Norton claimed in a debate with Saladino that a certain weak epidemiological study had proven causation....

[@rokzane]

​@@marcusgarvey9933Name it. Also, that's not much of an argument against Layne....when he also cites much better studies that still prove the same thing (if I'm guessing correctly of what you are referring to). Also, no one is right 100% of the time, but when a researcher has more hits than misses, they are still being consistent and smart.

[@marcusgarvey9933]

@@rokzane Norton insisted that the study had proven causation even after Saladino had pointed out that the study was just a weak epidemiological study with massive confounding factors.

[@rokzane]

@@marcusgarvey9933 WHAT STUDY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE THERE ARE ABOUT A DOZEN CITATIONS USED IN THIS VIDEO. I don't know how to make that any clear.

[@marcusgarvey9933]

@@rokzane Is this the video where Norton debates with Saladino?...No

[@iiiTzXero]

I was about to get off the computer when this popped up. Now I've got to watch!

[@allenjenkins4807]

Layne vs Paul on JRE!! Let the bloodshed begin!

[@Sid00077]

Na, Rogan is a slut for the carnivore diet so there's a huge bias against Layne. The old-school JRE is long gone.

[@ThingsYoudontwanttohear]

That is not a neutral third party I fear

[@Ryan-wx1bi]

​​@@ThingsYoudontwanttohearhow so? Rogan has had both of them on the podcast before

[@WorldsUnhealthiestFitPerson]

Let's not give Rogan the oxygen of credibility, folks.

[@Sid00077]

@@Ryan-wx1bi The current Rogan is full in on the carnivore diet and has even repeated Paul's talking points. It's safe to say going on JRE is going to be two vs one. Layne will cite a study but the other two will go on a long rant on how they feel so much better eating just meat.

[@Magdalena287]

Eat what works for you, cut out what doesn’t. As someone who has an autoimmune disease and have struggled for years with it I could never be a carnivore even if it makes me feel 100 percent better I love veggies and since I have one life to live I’ll have my broccoli and have some aches and pains in the morning

[@Kep19901]

ITS JUST BROCCOLI. My goodness. Listen people, eat your fruits and vegetables. Keep it up Layne

[@taiteyard3567]

ITS JUST RED 40. ITS JUST SEED OILS. When you allow yourself to say stupid things you’ll cease to think critically.

[@donewittit6607]

​@@taiteyard3567ain't nothing wrong with broccoli stop trying to make broccoli bad😂😂😂

[@taiteyard3567]

⁠@@donewittit6607That’s an odd thing to reply to me with. I have never made a comment indicating anything regarding the health benefits or lack thereof in broccoli.

[@morkelvantonder7097]

Smashing it Dr! Kudos for calling out the so-called "health influencers" and their selective narratives to keep their brand going. Stay strong

[@ericglass1270]

4 Al Gore's rhythm

[@kimmoffat6429]

Omg this debate with Paul is gonna break the internet. Cannot wait.

[@psychoelectric]

He won't debate Professor Bart Kay though as he'll get chewed up and spat out.

[@samuelaubrey2612]

Also I tried carnivore diet for a month and felt DREADFUL! No energy, massive weight loss, developed more food intolerances as a result, took a long time to get my gut back to being able to handle fibre.

[@Aimarsanchez]

That’s why you gotta eat fruit too bruh lol. Eating just meat is gonna kill you mentally and physically

[@mr-boo]

It’s not really relevant what I think, but you’re spot on so I am just making that explicit FOOOOOR THE ALGORITHM!

[@kanehura2086]

I love it! Laynes’ goal this year is to push back hard on quacks and he’s coming in hot! Keep pushing Layne! He’s falling back into a corner!

[@Dionysus_Athena]

Thank you Dr Layne Norton, honestly I tried all these bs diets and the amount of miss information is astoundingly high. Your knowledge has helped me tremendously. I eat pretty much the same meal day in day out. An addition of salmon, fibre, a lot less added sugars, lots of milk, WPI, Creatine, Cacao have helped tremendously. My chronic pain due to a spinal injury and fibromyalgia have eased a a lot. I exhausted all medical options for my conditions, cold plunge, hot plunge and sauna have helped a great deal. The spinal cord stimulator was a failure as was radio frequency, cortisone etc etc. the endocrinologist was useless and wouldn’t put me on TRT or HRT so I experimented myself. I’m completely off opiates, I was on extremely high doses especially morphine. Now I use certain foods for pain relief, I exercise, I use nandrolone for pain relief also, and testosterone helps greatly. I’m still in pain of course and have some bad days but they’re far less than I used to have. It’s only been 14 months and I feel like I have a new lease on life. Thank you to people like you who are well knowledges, wise and intelligent.

[@oliviagreen8853]

I’ve eaten an entire crown of broccoli before, haven’t died yet. Also I eat kale everyday, I’m still pretty healthy and haven’t gotten overweight. Weird.

[@TheLimitIessMan]

I bet your farts stink though

[@tyrincarnate3854]

The plural of anecdote is not data. Especially in an echo chamber.

[@sy12]

Wasn’t this guy liverkings biz partner? That should say enough.

[@imhassane]

Yes he was, he is just a scammer

[@caitlin8349]

Looking forward to the podcast

[@user-rz4re9tu3r]

Isnt he a psychiatrist not a nutritionist?

[@richardking9159]

Broccoli, kale, spinach used to make me so bloated every time I ate them! Stopped eating them bloated went away! Thanks Paul!

[@Joseph91585]

Oh, well as long as Paul doesn’t think you need randomized control trials then that solves it. Case closed. What a clown.

[@mav2knight]

This is exactly right and on point.

[@stellasternchen]

Experience in his clinical practice? Correct me if I‘m wrong, but isn‘t he a psychiatrist? Treating gut issues is a strange way to practice psychiatry. I know there is a connection from mental health to the gut called somatisation, but not the other way around. Can somebody explain?

[@nichtsistkostenlos6565]

His "clinical practice" is his interaction with fans on instgram.

[@timmat8029]

As a dietitian here's my concern: - what clinical GI training and scope of practice does he work within? - what medical investigations does he get his patients to do before diving into restrictive dieting? - does he screen his patients for eating disorders? - does he consider the biopsychosocial picture and therefore psychological drivers of GI issues. - what elimination diet (of which there are a few that are actually evidence based, carnivore is not one of them lol) does he use? Does he challenge specific compounds to avoid long term restrictive dieting (all elimination diets are the first of three phases). Paul should be using a multidisciplinary team for clients who present with global/GI issues. His business model is fear based and he no doubt creates more disordered eating than issues fixed.

[@sophiekarnak3936]

He's a psychiatrist who doesn't even practice, he just sells supplements and books about a diet he no longer follows himself because it caused him serious health problems. He's a con artist, not a doctor.

[@shashishiva5150]

Where was this detailed thinking when COVID vaccinations were said to be safe and 1 shot effective ( w no double blind placebo human studies)?

[@superluminal54]

“You have to be intellectually consistent: 1. If we’re worried about isolated compounds in broccoli then we have to be worried about isolated compounds in meat 2. If we are going to value anecdote then we have to value all anecdote 3. You can’t invoke scientific research when it benefits your position but then ignore it when it doesn’t benefit your position” Well summarised Layne!

[@Edgycoo]

i gotta say, just for fun whilst on holiday in mexico i removed everything but meat and papaya and mango and pineapple. Nothing to do with this guy. But wow, i felt amazing, regular as anything, just felt great, skin, strength, everything. Id like to say, lets just give it time and see if anything comes out because fruit and meat for me was mind blowing. I dont seem to digest chick peas and brocoli and sometimes too many onions or. mushrooms, but i need loads. Anyway, Just here to say it works very well for me.

[@charliehaskell1926]

Go for the eyes boo, go for the eyes!!!!!

[@EvanZamir]

I have been on a caloric restriction since August and have lost 30 pounds. I am eating broccoli virtually every night for the last 5 months. Take that for anecdote.

[@luissweeney7062]

I followed Paul Saladinos diet for about a year and had a minor stroke, my eyes still a little lazy from it😂 don't do it yall

[@alwaysadaptive]

Wow are you serious?!!!

[@spyman1482]

ANECDOTAL! hope the sarcasm is clear.

[@davesmith826]

And this is why no real doctor will proffer dietary advice to strangers on Instagram. Unless you've examined a patient, you can't advise them about what to eat. If you tell the entire world to eat meat and meat alone, a fair number of people will die or suffer severe health problems. You got your scare early. Others will drop dead of heart attacks in the next 5-20 years. By that point, the decades of chomping on organ meat, rib-eyes and butter won't seem so smart.

[@matlenaghan7488]

You ate meat and fruit for a year and has a stroke? I hope he sues your ass haha.

[@beebeeramone4641]

Did you get the clot shot

[@jamesshaw1602]

How MUCH broccoli would one have to consume to gain weight!?!?!? Shit, I’ve almost stopped eating it simply because it adds almost nothing to my macros!!! I get more carbs from a couple of whole wheat tortillas than a pound of broccoli!

[@CantrellBeau]

I'd love to see another debate with you and Saladino. I guarantee if you reach out to him he will do it. Wouldn't it benefit everyone for you to debunk the guy face to face in real time?

[@Ethereum1789]

1. No one has time to watch saladino waffle for 4 hours 2. You're his boyfriend or something? 3. No real benefit Now go back to making crying about vegans.

[@nichtsistkostenlos6565]

Did you watch the video where he said he was working to try to make this happen?

[@CantrellBeau]

@@nichtsistkostenlos6565 Did he? That's awesome. Can't wait to see it happen.

[@Jonesyyy12]

No won’t benefit anyone because like last debate Paul won’t cite any research and then say any research used against him is healthy user bias. All he does is deflect

[@shane_rm1025]

Debates are terrible forums for learning

[@philippmarkert1228]

What's the first law of thermodynamics

[@MB-zz5re]

He’s a quack. Bro science at best.

[@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance]

The ads that come up before and after these videos are hilarious.

[@scotchbarrel4429]

Premium is the way to go mate, i havent had to deal with the ad problem for the last 4 years, eff that! 😂

[@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance]

@@scotchbarrel4429 True but it is crazy to see a v-shred ad then an ad for some sort of magical fruit extract snake oil during a Layne Norton video.

[@fran6b]

@@WalkerSmallEnginePerformance I also hooked on the irony of those ads. Cognitive dissonance humor!

[@cherryl225]

i drizzle seed oils on my broccoli and i EAT IT. THE HORROR.

[@oliviagreen8853]

*passes out from sheer terror* 😱 Lmao 😂

[@JamesDeLaney-hb8ty]

This was ChatGPT’s anecdote on the carnivore diet improving its life Sure! Since adopting the carnivore diet, I've experienced a remarkable boost in energy and mental clarity. Embracing a diet focused on animal products has not only improved my physical well-being but has also transformed my approach to food. The simplicity of the carnivore lifestyle has brought about a sense of balance and vitality that I hadn't anticipated, making each day a more energized and fulfilling experience. I bet I could probably get a few million more of these, but Im convinced

[@jontancool9181]

what?

[@anatoly60]

For me, plants are BS.

[@boblangford5514]

Paul threw a tantrum as a child when his parents told him to eat broccoli. He’s still doing the same thing today. He’s nothing more than a kid who has always hated the taste of vegetables.

[@PhantomKenTen]

When KZbin comments because stronger than scientific studies we are truly lost

[@1982Disko]

If you want bloating, eat broccoli 👍

[@johnm7451]

Thank you for this Layne. The information that is shared by some of these people is dangerous. Thank you for being honest and sharing true scientific data

[@PATK7III]

Absolutely love this guy 💪🏼

[@JulianBurke]

Layne’s channel is quickly becoming one of my favorites!

[@seanpenny3495]

Brilliant video Layne. Thanks for the work you do

[@micpatleb]

One issue with debating a guy like Paul in a podcast or any real-time setting, is that here is a huge asymmetry when it comes to the cost of making false claims, vs. the cost of refuting them. Paul (or anyone) can spool out 100 misguided "facts" a minute, each of which might take hours to research a well-reasoned counter position, and by then there's 1000 new bad facts to counter. It's not sexy and doesn't clip well for socials if you have to respond with "I'll come back to you in 3-4 weeks once I've reviewed the research", even if that's the best possible response. As you pointed out in your Lustig response, it took 15-20 hours to put that together, which makes my point above.

[@imhassane]

Yes and his followers doesn’t seem to understand that. They always say he destroys someone but debunking someone requires research and like you said he always presents studies in his debates but I’m always like his do we know this study is good on the spot ?

[@robertscholten5539]

Which is a massive problem in having a "fair" debate. One person on each side of a debate is only fair when the science isn't quite so conclusive. For it to be fair, it should be Paul on one side and Layne Norton, Peter Attia and Gil Carvalho on the other, and that's still skewed.

[@WorldsUnhealthiestFitPerson]

Hey, Ph.D. scientist with 3 autoimmune diseases here (thus the handle I use). I got plenty of issues like he describes: inflammation problems, gut problems, blood sugar problems. Really landed the trifecta. You know what has never made those issues worse, ever? Kale. Broccoli. Brussel sprouts. Literally any of the Brassicas, which I eat routinely. Guess my n=1 worthless damn anecdote cancels out one of his worthless anecdotes! (What has caused multiple colitis flares: red meat! Ooooh that damn carnivore diet!)

[@Flugsvampar]

Well that doesn't prove anything lol Are you a Ph.D scientist and you reason like this? What do you have a Ph.D in? Have you cut out these from your diet for several weeks/months by doing a very standard elimination diet? Plenty of people have lost their autoimmune issues from eliminating one of almost every food on the planet, while millions of people are thriving on the exact same foods, both broccolli and red meat are two examples of this. It could be the actual red meat, or like with my little brother it could depend on what the actual cow has eaten before it died. He can only eat grass fed meat. (I'm not saying paul was wrong or misleading in his original video, he made it sound like broccoli is bad for everyone and it's clearly not. However saying broccoli is good for everyone is not correct either, if you're having issues what he mentions could potentially be why some people get flare ups from broccoli and is worth looking into more.)

[@teg1187]

​@@Flugsvampar OP is saying that anecdotal evidence is essentially useless, not that broccoli is good/bad for the body.

[@brownshit1]

​@TorreBorre3000 not sure you understood their point. Impressive rant though.

[@williamc4221]

​@@FlugsvamparYou failed to grasp the message of the original post. Read it several more times, then delete your comment.

[@DarkAbyss9]

​@@Flugsvamparwhoosh

[@mai9355]

Heartfelt thank you, Layne! I so dislike these types of “religions”/cults, it is only a one-way street.

[@scottyg5403]

I gotta say I love when you call out the BS! Would love to see both of you on Joe Rogan!

[@xaero212]

Cannot wait for that podcast episode!

[@johnpadilla9751]

How long have humans been eating broccoli?

[@danielswart5168]

I understand your argument and his claims were broader than they should have been. My brother has IBS and cannot eat any dark greens or he has bad dietary issues. So, despite his method being wrong, it does have that hint of truth. My brother is seeing multiple doctors who have done strange human trials on him to create an odd diet.

[@Darling_Nicci]

IG influencer MakingUpShitAsIPlease claims using water on skin is bad for people... My sister has Aquagenic Urticaria and gets rashes when she's exposed to water. So, despite his method being wrong it does have a hint of truth.

[@copedown]

Please go on on a discussion/podcast with Paul saladino I want to see what happens and it will be very INFORMATIVE!

[@eveyoyvey4032]

in the interest of "both sides": My understanding is that oxalates & saponins in brassica veg can cause the singular issue of not absorbing as much calcium and other minerals as the veg offers... but these effects can be ameliorated by soaking the veg in cold water, or blanching them, and crumpling the green leafy ones (to break fiber bonds) before rinsing or soaking... no biggie. I'm a bit of a brassica fanatic (a head of cauliflower or bunch of kale is a single serving for me, LOL) so my anecdotal comment may be biased 😂 but the latest studies on goitrogenic effects seem to refute any earlier ones that suggested such a problem existed. I'll take the cancer-preventive benefits any day!

[@zachariemelanson485]

Looking forward to that discussion! I love what both of you guys do and aim to achieve. When I watch Dr. Saladino's long form content, I feel like he expresses himself a lot better and give out a feeling of "We're all here aiming for the same thing: find optimal health", and that's what I like about both of you. I do not like his short form content because they all seem to give out a vibe like "[insert random here] is bullsh*t. Eat meet, organs and fruit". I feel like its just there to spark controversy and leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

[@adamtanner3008]

Damn. I’m such an agreeable person for a strong argument… Been trying carnivore all month… KZbin is both a blessing and a curse!

[@ItsJordaninnit]

Can’t wait to watch you debate Paul! Also - are you still up for debating Dr Avi Bitterman on red meat?

[@marcusgarvey9933]

Norton claimed in a debate with Saladino that a certain weak epidemiological study had proven causation....