"it's ok to suffer in silence" "men's suicide rate are higher" dude, my dude connect the dots
@az09429152 жыл бұрын
Men are mostly depressed because of lack of purpose and direction.
@kovacsnovak67452 жыл бұрын
False equivalents, but there are different dots to connect. Such as that society gives limited resources to men and that they lack purpose or duty. Men don't want to give out emotions because they don't have to or most people don't really want to care about their issues so they must endure and become stoic for they know. Help isn't coming or it won't come in time.
@jasonbolding34812 жыл бұрын
If jubilee was shady the next question after that "suffer in silence" should had been whether forms of masculinity can be toxic.
@Foxinuhhbox2 жыл бұрын
@@kovacsnovak6745 ^^
@Incathealc2 жыл бұрын
you never heard of stocism
@yokingstream10052 жыл бұрын
You know it’s gonna get toxic when they put a disclaimer at the beginning lol 🍿
@SunnyLovetts2 жыл бұрын
You mean interesting debate?
@szasbaddest12 жыл бұрын
@@tibodeclercq2131 There's always been war. And there's always time for a discussion like this to be sparked.
@tibodeclercq21312 жыл бұрын
@@szasbaddest1 yeah but to see it as a first category problem is ridiculous
@mello47342 жыл бұрын
@@tibodeclercq2131 It's definitely not a first category problem but I think ppl talk abt things they can have control over. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone in this video can actively fix the situation is Ukraine.
@beastcarleeto7072 жыл бұрын
@@tibodeclercq2131 no one said it was a first category problem. Do you piss your pants over anyone talking about an issue aswell? Or is it just when trans people are mentioned?
@Bowling4502 жыл бұрын
I'm a woman, and I don't cry on the "ground." I cry when I walk
@moondropxx2 жыл бұрын
Genius
@AJ-lm5dl2 жыл бұрын
Well, you walk on the ground. So, technically, you'd still be crying on the ground.
@Bowling4502 жыл бұрын
@@AJ-lm5dl Ha technically we are floating, so I'm technically not touching anything lol
@zachman51502 жыл бұрын
Try a visit to the podiatrist and a more comfortable pair of shoes. The narrative suggests that gender is fluid, and simultaneously suggests that the justification for gender reassignment surgery and treatment is that the girl who's trapped in a male body, has an immutable male identity. Both can't be true
@tshoodi2 жыл бұрын
i’m pretty sure it wasn’t meant literally
@laceyengle97577 ай бұрын
This episode was so much more civil than I ever could have imagined, one of the men literally stopped interrupting another and said "I'm sorry you're still speaking" Almost unfathomable to me but here's the video to prove it.
@kornuithildr41293 ай бұрын
Adults exist you know.
@blewie59033 ай бұрын
@@kornuithildr4129 yeah you must not have watched any other middle ground videos because most of the time its people yelling over each other and not listening to what the other side has to say.
@play4keeps773 ай бұрын
@@kornuithildr4129 and yet you're not one
@hgh78912 ай бұрын
@@kornuithildr4129 and still most adults arent like that if u were one ud know.
@handsomeyoungadult2 ай бұрын
it’s almost as if all humans are not the same
@Orynae2 жыл бұрын
The gay conservative guy saying "seeking acceptance starts with accepting society as it is" is the absolute peak of irony. Just 30 years ago, he would _never_ have been accepted if everyone just rolled over and accepted the way society was. How does he think society came to be accepting of gay people? It's from people working to CHANGE society.
@aliiirxsa42352 жыл бұрын
THIS!!
@AlyciaDeJ2 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought
@ubergamer01982 жыл бұрын
society moves in a predictable pattern. Normal? no Secret, Scandal, Threat assessment, Action. you have to accept society is what it is, and that it won't like it, to keep it a secret. and you have to keep it a secret to put the chain in motion.
@bluBlaq332 жыл бұрын
@@ubergamer0198 republicans want a repressed society.
@Rynoblock2 жыл бұрын
Gay
@KlouseInTheKloudz2 жыл бұрын
It still baffles me that people see crying and emotion as unmasculine. All humans have emotions men and women.
@jackmiddleton20802 жыл бұрын
It is not about a single act of crying making you a woman. It is about overdoing it.
@houseofmatrix61742 жыл бұрын
Showing emotions does make you weak.
@KlouseInTheKloudz2 жыл бұрын
@@houseofmatrix6174 how? Explain please I'd like to hear your logic on this. How does showing ones emotions that are hardwired into each human brain make them weak?
@j21742 жыл бұрын
@@houseofmatrix6174 No it doesn't. But being irrational and lacking common sense does, especially when emotions are involved.
@patricesilva80042 жыл бұрын
Thank u
@rush_amanda2 жыл бұрын
"they want us to cry and lay on the ground, like a woman" wow that speaks volumes
@zachman51502 жыл бұрын
Was that really your take away from that? wow
@rush_amanda2 жыл бұрын
@@zachman5150 I will admit he got better towards the end but yeah, I suppose some of the stuff coming out of any of their mouths did leave me shocked. Doesn't mean it's the only thing I took away from this all of the convo though. :)
@breadletsky4732 жыл бұрын
@@rush_amanda to be fair that is what girls do, or more so the ones I've met.
@sleepymars59912 жыл бұрын
@@breadletsky473 well,, you can't say that every single girl ever lays on the ground and cries because that's "what girls do" based on the few girls you know ..
@TheM.F.2 жыл бұрын
@@sleepymars5991 in general women are much more open about their emotions, and more emotional at that
@crane58429 ай бұрын
Kudos to Brandon and Buck to have such a way with their dialog towards the topics presented while being on opposing sides.
@angeleyes33862 жыл бұрын
I’m just a bit perturbed when I keep hearing feminine traits being referred to as weakness…I’m very feminine and I’ve never fell out on the floor crying. As if we don’t have any self control and the ability to manage our own emotions. That should be a human trait.
2 жыл бұрын
Right!! Like uncontrollable emotions aren't the same as simply being in TOUCH with your emotions and being able to feel each one. He's just a well trained drone. He's textbook
@fionaodoherty95022 жыл бұрын
Agreed this video made me really angry
@Morrow451052 жыл бұрын
Because women are known for being controlled by their emotions. It’s exactly why they were never looked to to lead. Women are made that way for a reason. Nothing wrong with it…but it’s why men and women have their roles. Working to echo others strengths and weaknesses
@bzuku95542 жыл бұрын
@@Morrow45105 that is flawed logic. someone isn't "created" or born to be more emotional in others. it's just socially acceptable for women to express their emotions and not men. these concepts of what women should do or what men should do is what humans created
@sucram10182 жыл бұрын
Wrong! Men and women are wired different. Men are more logical based and women are more emotional based. Women are more in touch with their emotions than men are. Both men and women think logically but 99% of the time. Women think emotionally. It's a fact whether you like it or not. Men and women are wired differently.
@jlytri2 жыл бұрын
“My wife has privilege because she has me” had me crying shitting myself.
@pierrehenry34832 жыл бұрын
You may laugh but his wife probably sees it as a privilege too
@ariannachambers11362 жыл бұрын
@@pierrehenry3483 it’s a privilege when he goes to work and gets away from her lmfao
@mikeymercure2 жыл бұрын
Do you need to wipe?
@asdisgufinna47482 жыл бұрын
FR BRO
@Domino19722 жыл бұрын
you should get control of your bowels
@cassidybrewer2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate that they brought in people of different ages, ethnicities and experiences on both sides. This was about as respectful as this conversation could’ve been.
@miriamlana8332 жыл бұрын
But if on the one side is one media-experienced celeb, Buck Angel, on the other side better also should be one.
@miriamlana8332 жыл бұрын
@@matheust.2717 thank you, I didn't know him. But also could be Buck is less celeb than I think in general US population than in trans related people from other countries like me. :-)
@baobaivue99132 жыл бұрын
Literally! And the fact that the episode was long. I felt like these people really had the time and screen-time to voice themself fully
@peanutbutter89862 жыл бұрын
@@kimmietwining4474 That would have been very interesting. He did do a debate on Dr. Phil regarding gender and pronouns not that long ago.
@herewego56792 жыл бұрын
@@peanutbutter8986 Yeah it was interesting. He completely dismantled the trans pronoun argument. But I wonder how it would have gone with these trans people. They have more experience and use common sense. Leading to more sophisticated arguments. I would've loved to see that
@spikemurphy50549 ай бұрын
I love how Buck kept nodding his head to some of the opposing side points. All around, this was a civil discussion and I’m glad that there were no arguments being had.
@ebsage63902 жыл бұрын
Men absolutely can cry. As a therapist, you might be surprised to know that men cry just as much. It is human. It is healing. Feelings ought to be felt by the body.
@katieandnick41132 жыл бұрын
Male levels of testosterone actually do make it harder, physically, to cry.
@fernandopineda55032 жыл бұрын
@@katieandnick4113 true but doesn’t mean they cant though because they still cry
@Adam-tx1tr2 жыл бұрын
@@katieandnick4113 That doesn’t make it impossible. Humans cry. Emotions don’t give a damn about what gender or sex you are. Bottom line is that western social conditioning is what prevents men from crying. It’s *unnatural* to suppress crying. Crying is neither feminine nor masculine.
@ebsage63902 жыл бұрын
@@katieandnick4113 as a health professional, let me tell you…that is really not true. At all. Men have been socialized not to cry from day one. Big boys don’t cry, etc. My male clients actually are more emotional and often times cry more. I also have a lot of male clients. Testosterone may have a very minor effect. Once men are given permission to cry…they let it out.
@badfavour11052 жыл бұрын
Just as much? That is not true.
@noahkirschtein81692 жыл бұрын
that one dude: "it's okay to suffer in silence" him later, trying to say male privilege isn't real: "men commit suicide at higher rates than women" like sir... you're almost there, you just gotta connect the dots
@brea1122 жыл бұрын
literally 😂😂
@V4Now2 жыл бұрын
He's misexplaining stoicism. And not showing emotion is not the main reason for suicide, it can/has been part of it.
@zachman51502 жыл бұрын
The thing is, men use lethal means of force, however; Women attempt it more-- so is that an indicator that they're more screwed up? You just gotta connect the dots 😏
@eclipzadapts77612 жыл бұрын
it is okay to suffer in silence just if your gonna do it know your strong enough to do it
@archiesinfield93332 жыл бұрын
@@zachman5150 exactly. Women attempt it more. In fact almost every girl Ik had attempted it but mostly by just trying to swallow too many pills or something. Men on the other hand will jump off cliffs, hang themselves, shoot themselves and the like with a super high success rate. This implies that men are generally wayyyy more depressed and genuinely see no way out
@joseph-fernando-piano2 жыл бұрын
If showing your emotions by crying is seen as weakness, surely showing your emotions by getting angry or losing your temper should also be seen as weakness...
@wd44402 жыл бұрын
It is one
@inksword60292 жыл бұрын
It is that way
@joseph-fernando-piano2 жыл бұрын
@@wd4440 That was literally my point, that a lot of guys will act like crying is weakness but losing your temper and being aggressive makes you an "alpha" or something...
@CreativeUsernameEh2 жыл бұрын
Being unable to control your temper is definitely seen as a weakness, yup. Nobody disagrees. That doesn't mean that anger is useless and can't be channeled into something powerful though. But throwing a tantrum? Weakness.
@kayleeabeyta5242 жыл бұрын
EXACTLY!! I ALWAYS tell men they are being emotional as well by being angry and using force. Thats the same as crying. So yes men can be 100% emotional people
@miahale976711 ай бұрын
Brandon and Buck's convo on the 'Biology determines gender' prompt was absolutely beautiful. I can't stop rewatching it. So respectful and eloquent! Positivity! The world needs more Brandons and Bucks :)
@adamisliterallysocool72408 ай бұрын
So npc
@beth_beth8238 ай бұрын
I agree 💯❤️
@Cykels7 ай бұрын
just brandons
@conanjohnson66587 ай бұрын
No Brandons actually
@kai_bal5 ай бұрын
Sure, biology determines gender. But what happens when a part of your brain that is responsible for gender identity does not agree or understand the gender you are born into? That quite literally is the trans experience fyi
@toocool4u6882 жыл бұрын
They should have a convo between trans people and people who de-transitioned.
@ReelNinja12 жыл бұрын
Wow. That would be very interesting
@cookiesnow67262 жыл бұрын
This needs more likes!
@otam0t2 жыл бұрын
i feel like they'd agree on most things because both felt disattachment to their agab at a point.
@beaub1522 жыл бұрын
Yes
@CrankyBarista2 жыл бұрын
🎯🎯🎯
@Laura.daye232 жыл бұрын
Why is 'being emotional' always reduced to 'crying' and therefore showing 'weakness'? There's a whole spectrum of emotions (also positive ones) and ways of expressing them. Being in tune with your emotions and not being afraid of expressing them to others may be one of the strongest character traits one can have and it will prevent so many mental health issues. If you want to talk about men's suicide rates, this is a big part of the solution.
@PlayafromtheHimalayas2 жыл бұрын
Crying is basically when emotions override logic. The "weakness" is when you can no longer debate and provide points and counterpoints, but instead it's an over emotional crying response that elicits a reaction of sorrow from others.
@chrisisnice2 жыл бұрын
A lot of men are depressed because they don’t have duty or purpose in life
@avilio65742 жыл бұрын
Because its part of it. I don't know what you mean with being in tune with you emotions, but if it means that you're able to recognize what and why are you feeling things I agree. We express emotions but some of them are not for show; we have to deal with them alone, and being able to do so makes you stronger, not sharing them.
@Laura.daye232 жыл бұрын
@@avilio6574 Can you give me an example of emotions that you must deal with alone? I agree that in certain situations you have to be able to contain your emotions at the time, for example in the workplace. But when you go and have a drink with a friend after a tough day, I think you must be able to express and discuss those same emotions. That's how you process emotions. If you have no-one to confide in, to be vulnerable with, you will inevitably feel alone and get stuck with these negative emotions. Which results in depression or violence as an outlet. That's not strength, that's creating mental health issues.
@Laura.daye232 жыл бұрын
@@PlayafromtheHimalayas Crying is simply a biological response to any type of strong emotion, including happiness. Some people cry easily, which isn't because they're 'overly emotional' or weak, it's simply how their bodies react. Men also tend to forget that when they react angry and aggressive in certain situations, they are actually the overly emotional ones.
@rockrageproductions2 жыл бұрын
They need a curve ball question when everyone is just standing like "should learning a kickflip be required in schools?" And just see the reaction lol just a tension breaker of sorts
@monissiddiqui65592 жыл бұрын
Is a hot dog a sandwich?
@Peer_Review2 жыл бұрын
@@monissiddiqui6559 this would get way more heated than any of the questions in the video lol. Same with “Is water wet?”
@itstino52182 жыл бұрын
CGC
@arsimckhoi2 жыл бұрын
everyone should try. that'd be fun
@cooldrop022 жыл бұрын
Yeah!!! Something straight out of left field like, : ankle or calf length socks?"
@wardog3254Ай бұрын
Masculinity is not bad. Femininity is not bad. Neither are toxic it's only the people who are acting toxic gender or sex has nothing to do with it.
@Ziz-xl5tr7 күн бұрын
I 100% agree with you.
@ScooterSkillsYolo2 жыл бұрын
Doing a female version of this would be very interesting. Great video!
@jonymatis7922 жыл бұрын
@Ashley link? just searched and didn't see it
@ClashOfGamesV12 жыл бұрын
They would all just start crying lol🤣🤣🤣🤣
@akitouyareal2 жыл бұрын
@@ClashOfGamesV1 wtf bro
@isaacvazquez6272 жыл бұрын
I'm going to be honest, it would not be the same, nobody would care if femininity disappeared. Masculinity, on the other hand, can be a issue due to the large number of values that society intrinsically associated with males.
@navajas96682 жыл бұрын
@@isaacvazquez627 not true, straight biological men would care if feminity disappear! Whether they know it or not , straight men are attracted to feminine features and traits
@sarasaucier71842 жыл бұрын
As a woman, I don’t not feel empowered because of the vise president. I feel empowered by my own damn self.
@Lelileila2 жыл бұрын
for reaaal
@SOVLTRON2 жыл бұрын
wish more women thought lik you
@Yan2Cold2 жыл бұрын
Vise president?
@goddessari36682 жыл бұрын
when he said that i cringed. especially when he said “we aren’t talking about the 1920s”..a lot of things are systematic because of what happened in history
@positronikiss2 жыл бұрын
@George Floyd May Rot in Hell isnt the alpha theory a super chad thing anyway? I dont know of any important individual that spends 1 second of their day considering wether theyre alpha beta sigma omega ...its all more subversive capitalist bullpoo.
@cwazyhooligan2 жыл бұрын
This was so hard to watch as a woman. The misunderstanding of women is underlining the cis men’s opinions on trans men.
@eclipse981002 жыл бұрын
What do you mean by the second sentence?
@joelwsy2 жыл бұрын
@@namedasurname3968 kneel before a dictionary for your pitiful vocabulary instead
@ExecutiveGoth2 жыл бұрын
@@namedasurname3968 there’s no brainwashing, you just need to stop shaming people for existing
@namedasurname39682 жыл бұрын
@@ExecutiveGoth No, there is. WORSE for them
@deth32342 жыл бұрын
@@namedasurname3968 I mean no, it really isn't that hard. There's only one new word and you already seem to know what it means, so either you're willfully ignorant or you're the one who's been brainwashed.
@Orange56222Ай бұрын
Convinced Gilbert’s “friend” is a coworker that’s about to file an HR complaint, cause ain’t no way.
@SaphiraSage21 күн бұрын
Thinking the same thing. There’s no way they’re friends
@6PrincessHeart917 күн бұрын
I felt real sad for his "friend".
@prabhsangha16392 жыл бұрын
How is Brandon gonna say that Men should suffer in silence but then also say that Men commit suicide more often a minute later as if those two statements don’t contradict themselves? 💀
@foolsvallie2 жыл бұрын
Right?? 😭😭
@LittleMissMaddie19982 жыл бұрын
Conservatives do this all the time. They are always making the point but also just missing it
@TheStoicBrowser2 жыл бұрын
Because it's how men have been wired for survival ultimately. Men who can control their emotions, stoic in the face of adversity, assertive and motivated instead of passive and lazy, who remain analytical even when upset or angry, just were able to survive better over the past millions of years. If a family member passed away, our grandfathers still had to work in the mines the next day or do some other laborious job WHILE grieving. Any mental health issues that would inhibit our grandfathers from working would result in the failure of our families. If there was a war between tribes or countries, the men who fought in them had to control their emotions. We have been wired to be this way. And if you aren't built like this then society would be tough for you, but that doesn't mean we should not want men who cannot control their emotions.
@Ray035952 жыл бұрын
@@TheStoicBrowser many men CANNOT control their emotions tho. The amount of unprovoked violence we hear about that men start is too much. There are men killing their entire families over nonsense. There are too many men who act like they are in control of their emotions but they are overgrown children who hurt others. I dont see this level of emotional instability from women.
@SmileyAdventures2 жыл бұрын
His entire platform is a big contradiction. I’m not a liberal or a conservative but he has skewed and problematic views on the Black community as a collective. His wife is White, which is fine, but what he does is put Black women down in the process to praise the White race of women. The fact that he tried to do the “what aboutisms” when they discussed r*pe and cat calling, it was VERY disingenuous. I don’t even think he believed what he said.
@rich8422 жыл бұрын
Dude actually argued for "men can cry but should suffer in silence" then used "men commit more suicide" as an argument 2min later... cmon dude ... 🤣
@datguiser2 жыл бұрын
Fact check: women attempt suicide more but have a much lower success rate, usually due to less lethal means. Anecdotal evidence: of all the times I have been to a mental hospital, there have always been more women than men.
@Noise_floorxx2 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@hamburger96772 жыл бұрын
why do the woman and men be sad like bro just take a hike up a high mountain and you will feel fine
@rich8422 жыл бұрын
@@hamburger9677 3 sips of beer
@hamburger96772 жыл бұрын
@@rich842 exactly
@sierrabell45272 жыл бұрын
Damn this one was a rollercoaster, you can really see in some of their eyes the hurt they feel, but verbally are being respectful. When Clarkson tells the trans men they are not men, I was ready to see everything blow up.
@davidca962 жыл бұрын
he was just being honest.
@sierrabell45272 жыл бұрын
@@ttrager3 hey there. I’m not sure I understand. Just to clarify, are you saying that then trans men don’t want to be called men?
@sierrabell45272 жыл бұрын
@@Lucas-nf9xc I was surprised it just didn't get more heated then it did after Clarkson's comment.
@Lucas-nf9xc2 жыл бұрын
@@sierrabell4527 I was also surprised when things went so smoothly...But I think there was a cut in the video around the argument so they may have cut that part out, nonetheless, a very civil session!
@Wavyso2 жыл бұрын
To be honest it's the truth not a nice one though.
@ashbjohnson9 ай бұрын
This is one of the calmest Middle Ground videos I've ever seen, lol. I appreciate and respect everyone's perspective here and it was nice to see very little yelling.
@bad17882 жыл бұрын
Privilege doesn't mean your life is fantastic and you don't suffer. It means you don't have to tackle the same issues or challenges that others do.
@AWKWARDCONFIDENCE2 жыл бұрын
👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@tmac3262 жыл бұрын
The problem is that so many people like to throw that word around as a means of having justification to attack or be prejudiced against other people.
@merbaer54222 жыл бұрын
I get so frustrated when people don’t understand it or worse, just refuse to. Makes my blood boil.
@GenXfrom752 жыл бұрын
But no one does.... Regardless of race or gender. No one will face the same exact walk as anyone else.
@mariec37332 жыл бұрын
@@GenXfrom75 yes, and often tines that is because of gender, sex, skin color ect.
@Robyn_Retro2 жыл бұрын
‘Accepting society for what it is’ doesn’t make people happy, it makes them indifferent to suffering that doesn’t affect them. Indifference is not happiness. Society can and should be continuously improved upon.
@ruijiasun54432 жыл бұрын
he was talking as if he wouldve enjoyed living in 1300
@rainydaze15022 жыл бұрын
Yes, and all biological creatures need to evolve in order to be better suited for the new environment, both socially and literally. What worked back then may not work now, especially if what "worked" back then glossed over the plight of other groups of people.
@Nadia-id4bu2 жыл бұрын
Why should I accept the society for what it is if the society can't accept me for what I am?
@laurennn3162 жыл бұрын
@@Nadia-id4bu the short answer: you can only control yourself and how you respond to things, you can’t control the way society is or how it responds to things.
@rasdasa2 жыл бұрын
I lost a mother when I was 11 to cancer, I accepted it for what it is but in no way did it make me indifferent to missing her or to anyone else having to go through something similar. You conflate acceptance with indifference, acceptance is realizing the reality that's presented in front of you and not simply trying to upend everything at the cost of social cohesion just so we ourselves can feel better while everyone else is more confused than ever.
@maddiepamperin6432 жыл бұрын
Something that confused me was about 30 minutes in, one guy said he gets his validation from within. Earlier in the video, they were saying they feel less manly when a woman doesn't need them. Is it just me or do these two trains of thought go completely against one another?
@iselinlin2 жыл бұрын
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@harithakarthi61182 жыл бұрын
fr. him saying that he's never needed outside validation because he has it from within was a plain lie
@shoshishoshi1272 жыл бұрын
I noticed that too. Very hypocritical.
@nope.thankies2 жыл бұрын
Who are we kidding- it's clear these kinds of men are the most vulnerable when it comes to feeding that ego externally. Interesting to point that the validation they seek is just as much (if not more) from other men as from the women they surround themselves with 🤷♀️
@TheEmpressImpress2 жыл бұрын
He is lying to himself
@p1zd3c9 ай бұрын
I absolutely love the Middle Ground series. Its so humanizing and refreshing.
@taranom62072 жыл бұрын
Cant’t believe the guy actually believes crying is feminine
@NocturneDQT2 жыл бұрын
Yeah.. no words..
@hannaansari29212 жыл бұрын
If men weren't supposed to cry then they wouldn't have tearducts
@lavonnealexander69362 жыл бұрын
He is delusional and insecure 😟. I also know women who think , the same.
@webbyishere2 жыл бұрын
I laughed a bit when he said that. Everyone can and should cry. It's healthy and it's there for a reason
@adnanalagic2 жыл бұрын
Y'all misunderstood what he said waaaay to easily. What he actually said was that you can't expect men to show emotion or vulnerability the same ways as women, which they don't.
@jbert4232 жыл бұрын
Conversations like this need to happen more, everywhere. Hearing about others' experiences is the key to empathy.
@DanceArchives242 жыл бұрын
I agree wholeheartedly. I think some ppl are afraid of this conversation which may be why they barely happen.
@EmmaLouise912 жыл бұрын
@@DanceArchives24 They're scared of what might happen to them if they don't totally submit to the cult of gender ideology.
@trentdavis33042 жыл бұрын
@@DanceArchives24 Nobody is afraid to talk about this. The trans ideology is practically debunked on a daily basis.
@rai9355 Жыл бұрын
only if it doesn't turn into violence, which it always does.
@unoriginalhazard Жыл бұрын
Only thing I feel empathetic for is the fact they are living in a delusion. What angers me is that fact they are trying to push that delusion on everyone else and if people don't agree then they are a bigot ect ect. It's disgusting that has went on for so long
@cinnamon0atz2 жыл бұрын
"some people believe that men need to cry and lay on the ground and be feminine like women" crying is not a gendered activity lmfao it's a natural human response
@arbazahmad56902 жыл бұрын
Men cry but certainly a lot less than women...and that too in solitude. It's gendered that way.
@knotpossible2 жыл бұрын
I’m not a woman, but also I didn’t think that lying on the ground crying was something particularly commonplace of women. Like not saying it’s an abnormal response depending on the circumstance, but the point comes across like women have no restraint on their emotions
@homosexualitymydearwatson41092 жыл бұрын
@@arbazahmad5690 men usually cry less because then were raised to think that boys shouldn’t cry or get made fun of in school for doing so. My boyfriend cries a lot (like when watching media) but he doesn’t cry around others. Similarly, I (a woman), used to a cry a lot but now don’t because I was told a lot as a child that I was too sensitive.
@cameronhester13882 жыл бұрын
Being inherently weak and having a victim mentality is 100% not a traditionally masculine trait
@kamcat29012 жыл бұрын
@@cameronhester1388 It is
@carlossantiago99269 ай бұрын
Wow, this was very powerful. I can't get enough of witnessing people being respectful and open to letting others different from themselves share their unique, personal experiences. Incredible.
@cartergomez5390Ай бұрын
Yeah, I like that as well. Just guys being respectful with each other. Reminds me of this warrior weekend I attended, where everybody accepted all types of guys, with all types of sexualities, not just biological straight guys.
@izzieh93422 жыл бұрын
No, men should NOT suffer in silence. Bad take. If you’re reading this, please know that no one should suffer in silence. That’s called abuse.
@Kaledrone2 жыл бұрын
If someone is also reading this and came down to the replies, chose VERY carefully who you want to share your suffering with. Most people are not trustworthy, and letting all your emotions out to the wrong person could encourage them to use it against you. While suffering in silence isn't great also don't go around telling most people what you are going through, they would either just make fun of you for not being able to cope or use it against you, been through that before. So be incredibly careful about who you share your stuff with. Because bottom line is, if you share your stuff with most people they will make it even worse for you by saying the wrong things.
@alpha35182 жыл бұрын
Yes and no
@natangel13182 жыл бұрын
@@Kaledrone %100
@prophetvegeta88502 жыл бұрын
No...just no....
@makesmewannadie6472 жыл бұрын
@@Kaledrone thats why you should see a professional if possible
@sugar-free-2centz2 жыл бұрын
You can tell that Buck has had experience in both educating other people, and in directing dialog with anti-trans people in a constructive way.
@thecouncilofbrazilianchads55802 жыл бұрын
How is that anti Trans? The guy was spitting straight up facts
@officialballisticfox81112 жыл бұрын
@@KitchenWitchery and what you think are *NOT* facts, are in reality; *FACTS* !
@noodleMoodle2532 жыл бұрын
Absolutely, I learned a lot listening to him speak
@nicole-sf5ce2 жыл бұрын
@@officialballisticfox8111 there called opinions…
@wenzerukun98232 жыл бұрын
@@officialballisticfox8111 it's called opinion
@gracey54392 жыл бұрын
i love the fact that this was supposed to be a conversation about individual masculinity and it actually just turned into men speaking on their perceived issues of women
@zachman51502 жыл бұрын
Half the panel are women who have NO idea what it is to be men
@bananarussa76322 жыл бұрын
Ah yes classic female moment, you didn't understand a single word that was spoken during this video lmao
@brycescott47452 жыл бұрын
That's the issues yall say tho?
@zachman51502 жыл бұрын
Wait... They said gender is fluid and disconnected from biology, so how then, is there male privilege? It's incoherent
@imnotcreativeenoughforause78342 жыл бұрын
Says a woman
@ninjaeris1319 ай бұрын
I've been watching these for the last few hours, and I have to say, this was the most calmest and respectful episode I've seen yet
@emmamcadoo23722 жыл бұрын
As a woman it was very hard to watch them talk about how we feel. (Edit I’m not talking about the trans men who have previously lived as women)
@MissLadyG992 жыл бұрын
How is it hard to watch them talk about how we feel?
@labangeneraux56082 жыл бұрын
@@MissLadyG99 cuz they give off a false narrative of women, their saying how they think women feel as fact… that’s what’s wrong with the people nowadays
@Nepthu2 жыл бұрын
Why do women make this all about them?
@DoubleL.2 жыл бұрын
The 4 people on the left were born and grew up as women…they are technically actual women…
@doloreshaze102 жыл бұрын
women are more emotional. it's a fact. we are higher in trait neuroticism which means the propensity to feel negative emotions.
@nopenope31312 жыл бұрын
As a biological woman, some of this was extremely difficult and very frustrating to watch...but, I learned quite a bit and it was very interesting.
@soccermommyNPC2 жыл бұрын
Same here.
@IceQeen10112 жыл бұрын
omg me too seriously. It was quite frustrating at times, especially when they did not understand what the others were saying.
@aglioeoilo2 жыл бұрын
One of the hardest parts of the video as a woman was when they were talking about male privilege and how men don't have it. These men never had to call a friend when they're walking late at night, never had to worry about someone following them in the subways, etc. I do understand that women have privileges in other areas such as custody battles, etc. but in my experience, men have more privilege when it comes to safety and respect.
@digitalcthulhu1432 жыл бұрын
@@aglioeoilo Fr fr. Being unable to leave Ukraine for the men ages 18-60 is a great privilege huh?
@logangarza5862 жыл бұрын
@@aglioeoilo no ones invalidating that. What they’re explaining is everyone has their own privilege but you’re solely picking out make privilege and portraying it is were better
@mcoates36492 жыл бұрын
"I just use _their_ name... I feel like I'm giving into the narrative that men can be women and women can be men if I use the pronouns that _they_ want." I've gotta say seeing a conservative use they/them to avoid properly gendering a trans person is a new one to me.
@foxesrkool2 жыл бұрын
as soon as i saw how much he tried to avoid using the correct pronouns for his trans friend, to the point he started using they/them, i knew what arguments that dude would be bringing up 😭
@zombieprince51392 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry but I feel so bad for that guy's friend 😭 imagine actually liking someone that disagrees with your existence. He must really like him if he stays his friend despite that. (Not judging btw, I've been through that too, it's just,, upsetting)
@cobrabosse2 жыл бұрын
I don’t think he was using they/them pronouns. People have been using “their” instead of “he or she” in grammar for a long time grammatically speaking. It’s incorrect technically but that’s just the language that has been used. We gotta realize how recently the concept of choosing pronouns is.
@batmansrectum2 жыл бұрын
@@cobrabosse it's funny bc he mentioned that he didn't agree that language could be changed but he's a living example of a person using language that's constantly evolving
@mcoates36492 жыл бұрын
@@cobrabosse Two things. One: if people have been using a word a certain way for a long time then it is not technically incorrect. Language is living and spoken, and trying to apply rules to it that go against the instincts or understanding of native speakers is called prescriptivism. This is generally frowned upon. Second: he was using the words “they”, “them”, and “their” in place of a proper noun (his friends name). That’s a pronoun. The part of speech that he was using is called a pronoun, and the use of these pronouns for a single known individual is generally what conservatives rally against. I was just noting how interesting it was.
@SpeakLife4064 ай бұрын
I loved the respect these two groups gave eachother they actually spoke AND listened to each-other…this was very well done.
@Metanoia1003 Жыл бұрын
I’m actually surprised at how well articulated this conversation was and how respectful both sides were. Thank you all for just being nice, respectful human beings
@truthseeker73able Жыл бұрын
This is how men communicate with each other
@Michael-mh2tw Жыл бұрын
Remember, this is an edited video.
@xXEGPXx Жыл бұрын
@@truthseeker73able Conservatives are not people and therefore cannot be men
@oshkoshbegone Жыл бұрын
Yeah, throw the purple haired trans supporters that go to rallys in here and its a yelling match. These are reasonable people
@FGP_Pro Жыл бұрын
@@truthseeker73able Stated like someone with deep insecurities.
@natalieherrick41462 жыл бұрын
Brandon really said men should “suffer in silence” and then say that men have the highest rate of suicide and didn’t think maybe there’s a correlation.
@trenton92 жыл бұрын
The implication is to "suffer if silence" sometimes. He didn't mean all the time. And I think there's truth in that statement.
@benoit5022 жыл бұрын
To suffer in silence doesn't mean bottle up your emotions 24/7. It means to bottle them up in that particular circumstance and let it all out later in a better setting. That's different from men who suppress sadness/guilt/hurt all the time.
@hellobruh42092 жыл бұрын
There isn't Men need support structures Men didn't cry in the 60s , but they had support structures so suicide rates were low Feminists destroyed those support structures
@shuarma02 жыл бұрын
so then how do you explain the fact that women self mutilation is more prevalent amongst women, but not suicide? men have a higher suicide rate simply because our genetic profile is to be more aggressive and impulsive than women.
@unwantedumbrella18422 жыл бұрын
@@shuarma0 genetic profile? saying aggression results in suicide is a stretch, also suicide isnt usually a quick impulsive decision, its rather something u think over for a long period of time.
@SFascetta7772 жыл бұрын
"It's OK to suffer in silence" No, it's literally not. There are way too many studies on how that is literally the worst way to deal with trauma. The notion that this is OK and even encouraged is one of the biggest examples of toxic masculinity in our society.
@timothyodeyale65652 жыл бұрын
It might be ok but that doesnt mean society is structured that way, i got kneed in the stomach today, worse pain i felt in a while, a bunch of people crowded around me and i just layed there groaning. I had to, and afterwards i felt proud of myself. I didnt cry, i didnt show my weakness. I got up, shaked the other guys hand, and kept playing. I dont want to imagine the social impact of me crying.
@jahzealjr68102 жыл бұрын
Bro, why tf do you have a problem with men crying in silence? we can go through our emotions however we want.
@MasterHuWoke2 жыл бұрын
@@jahzealjr6810 that isn't what he said at all
@joebrown35692 жыл бұрын
Do you understand what “literally” means?
@HtineTEE2 жыл бұрын
But then he quotes men commit suicide at higher rates.... 🤔
@Japanglish_girl8 ай бұрын
This was the most productive and healthy debates that I’ve seen about this or relating topics. I think the representation was immaculate and this is the best this conversation could’ve been. Thank you so much for this engaging and educational content.
@izzythompson36232 жыл бұрын
Can we please have a video between lesbians and gay men? I think there’s a really important conversation to be had there about femininity and masculinity in terms of gender roles, social perceptions and sexism that is still very rife and real in the LGBT+ community.
@Andyatl20022 жыл бұрын
I think bi people would also be interesting
@craydussy2 жыл бұрын
@@Andyatl2002 bi would just be normal conversations between people lol
@Nepthu2 жыл бұрын
Can we get the lesbians and gay men to wrestle?
@gabid89382 жыл бұрын
please!!
@ethanjones43672 жыл бұрын
@Chase R what do you mean by that 🤨
@D3vontae2 жыл бұрын
Suffering in silence is NEVER the answer.
@thedragonsunicorn2 жыл бұрын
@Gavin Reed just because it's the innate response doesn't mean it's the right one.
@stutold2 жыл бұрын
@Gavin Reed high suicide rate =/= evolutionarily effective
@ZombieWerePrechaunPire2 жыл бұрын
Men have to be extremely careful who we open up to though. You can't just open up to anybody.
@D3vontae2 жыл бұрын
@Gavin Reed Effective as In feeding into toxic masculinity and creating a lot of toxic society norms ?? Cause if it’s that way then yes 100%agree. The way you guys use “evolutionary effective” as if the evolution we’re in now is perfect will always amaze me 😃As if that’s the reason society has been successful ..like we’re successful now because of those traits ,when in fact that’s actually the very reason it’s depleting.
@D3vontae2 жыл бұрын
@Skibi yeah but that’s everyone. Everyone should be extremely careful who they open up to lol.
@L3131L2 жыл бұрын
It's super weird that people use Timothee as an example of non-masculine men. His face and style is overall very masculine. Is it just because he's skinnier and actually knows how to dress himself in clothes that fit and aren't plain black?
@morijin55682 жыл бұрын
@@Ipomoeas his face has very masculine features
@zsmusic87082 жыл бұрын
@@morijin5568 hard disagree
@bmwjourdandunngoddess60242 жыл бұрын
@@zsmusic8708 And why?
@zsmusic87082 жыл бұрын
@@bmwjourdandunngoddess6024 Because I don't think two of the transmen look masculine at all lol. Little bit of facial hair but, they're super short. Sit effeminatly. Not saying that's a bad thing, i just don't think they look masculine in my own opinion.
@angelacanedit2 жыл бұрын
I thought that was funny too. He's just skinny, he doesn't even dress feminine lol
@serabi_23 күн бұрын
It is so funny to me when people argue against pronounce by using pronouns "don't call my friend by THEIR pronouns, I just use THEIR name or say "my friend" You're already using pronouns, just use the correct ones
@ifrogyort21 күн бұрын
i dont think he said that i think he said ‘my friend’ the whole time idk i cant find the part in the video
@kymah26892 жыл бұрын
“it’s okay to suffer in silence” ….literally a minute later “they commit suicides more” does brandon even hear himself😭😭
@MsDudette212 жыл бұрын
of course he's homophobic too. i rly dont get how ppl can still be hmophobic in western countries. many animals are gay and its not harmful. peopel raised by gay parents turn out fine. theyve done studies. yeah sure i get it u need a male and a female to make a baby so many ppl thought homosexuality was wrong and weird. i used to think it was wrong too. but its just one of those aspects of nature that is 'different' but totally normal. and supposedly it just has more to do with genetics cuz if one family member is gay theres a higher chance their kid or sibling or something will be. lol something along those lines
@Ken.Kaleidoscope2 жыл бұрын
Not the toxic masculinity of him interrupting people trying to talk
@BuddyMac692 жыл бұрын
@@Ken.Kaleidoscope interrupting people is masculine now???? White women rn: 😴 🤐
@conorowens83822 жыл бұрын
Those two things aren't mutually exclusive. I agree with Brandon on that 100% Obviously you shouldn't bottle up major feelings, but crying at every little thing is equally as counterproductive. You need to be able to weather storms in life
@swampfoxfpv2 жыл бұрын
@@BuddyMac69 😂 💯
@MarcelandrieW2 жыл бұрын
If you're ever in an argument with someone that goes crazy as soon as you mention they may have privilege replace the word with advantage. Got this concept through to a lot of people by using the disadvantage and advantage concept.
@theviking85132 жыл бұрын
I think for me it’a the whole “men have it better than women” thing that’s shoved in our faces in every piece of media. It’s simply just untrue and divisive given the many advantages and disadvantages we both have.
@HelloKittysFriend4182 жыл бұрын
Cool idea, thanks for sharing!
@Shewas-kathybates2 жыл бұрын
When having a conversation about privilege the word “advantage” will always come up anyway.
@theviking85132 жыл бұрын
@@mogensgallardo3288 I would disagree. There’s plenty of advantages women have over men and Vice versa. The obvious one is even now in Ukraine they won’t allow any males 13 to 60 years old to leave in order to fight. Not only is that alway something men are always expected to do for war but in daily life. You’re a coward if you don’t confront physical confrontation to protect yourself or others. Not saying I disagree with it but it is what it is. Of course there is the men lose custody 90% of the time along with that women are always granted doubt of mischievous or irresponsible behavior. Women are incarcerated for shorter times for similar crimes. And on top of that women use sex appeal to their advantage a lot, so much that sometimes it’s a career (only fans). And this is just a few things.
@PaulDoran12 жыл бұрын
@@theviking8513 Men have it WAY better than women. Stop it.
@trevorg97482 жыл бұрын
I love that this conversation is happening, but HOLY HELL AM I FRUSTRATED
@caseyjaz2 жыл бұрын
fr i keep needing to take breaks watching this because i equally know this conversation is so important and interesting but also cannot stand to hear some of what is being said ahah
@ajoyner6142 жыл бұрын
@@caseyjaz dude, same. I'm listening to music in between. Love this conversation though
@JoeMama-mg5dk2 жыл бұрын
Y'all really need to take breaks to hear men have a conversation?
@ajoyner6142 жыл бұрын
@@JoeMama-mg5dk THIS is the best comment because it makes me think..WHY do I have a problem with the sentiments? Is it because they are expressing views that I may not align with? Is it because one person said something I'm absolutely against? Idk. But that's me being human and willing to listen.
@mr.bootleg6462 жыл бұрын
@@ajoyner614 whose side are you on? Just curious
@teah614810 ай бұрын
This is one of the best things i have seen. Adults sitting down and CONVERSING with one another is so great. This is how ALL of humanity needs to be. Thank you to EACH person for doing this. 😊
@majimadayoyoyo2 жыл бұрын
Buck is so respectful on everyone's point of view and it is refreshing hearing from someone who's a trans for a long time, great guy.
@tangieshogelola68982 жыл бұрын
Lol no she not. She got all sensitive when called out.
@Maksie02 жыл бұрын
@@tangieshogelola6898 He.
@majimadayoyoyo2 жыл бұрын
@@tangieshogelola6898 He.
@krasmasov68522 жыл бұрын
@@tangieshogelola6898 He.
@thatonemultistan8412 жыл бұрын
@@tangieshogelola6898 he
@sirvimmy2 жыл бұрын
I really love that Buck nods in acceptance of what others are saying--even when he may disagree on some part of it. It is so validating to have someone listen and acknowledge what someone is saying. Its so wonderful to see great listeners in action.
@MaxMustaevanescence2 жыл бұрын
I think you're mistaken. Buck kept interrupting all the time.
@Danielle-iv6sh2 жыл бұрын
👍 yes
@azn30002 жыл бұрын
Granted, nodding is really what most ppl do when they're in conversation just to let the other person know that they're being heard.
@barphh2 жыл бұрын
@David Emblow wait why are you copy pasting this everywhere 😂
@VictorDude982 жыл бұрын
Bruh literally everyone does that, he kept interrupting and talking in a pretty attacking way
@leahgioiella97642 жыл бұрын
When he said “You’re appropriating the gender.” I nearly choked. I can’t believe he actually said that.
@guaty47882 жыл бұрын
It’s true
@tokuko90272 жыл бұрын
Edit: I'm gonna make this comment to better explain what I was trying to say. Appropriation isn't always in a negative connotation. The phrase "cultural appropriation" has a more negative connotation to it. Now, just regular "appropriation" means to take an idea or construct and start believing in or using said belief or construct. The whole point of gender transition is to appropriate a gender. That's not inherently a bad thing. Now, while I don't understand transgender people's gender dysphoria, I choose to respect them anyways. 👍
@Yuley2 жыл бұрын
@@tokuko9027 this is more like it: the act of taking something such as an idea, custom, or style from a group or culture that you are not a member of and using it yourself
@HiAdrian2 жыл бұрын
@@tokuko9027 Don't reconstruct common terms. Just like anyone can be racist.
@InitialDraal2 жыл бұрын
@@tokuko9027 they are appropriating, masculine men are a minority. It's rare to see a masculine men. Not rare to see weak men though. Weak men try to pretend they are men to disparage us talking about toxic masculinity and all.
@nicolasayala479211 ай бұрын
Best episode so far. So much insight, empathy, and wisdom from everyone involved. Love it!
@gailaxy2 жыл бұрын
Please don't ever just 'suffer in silence', men, women, or any one in between. Its ok to share your emotions with other people, it doesn't make you weak, I think it actually makes you stronger to be able to open yourself up to other people.
@Madyro2 жыл бұрын
Cap cap cap this is a trap dont do it men ^
@phantasqLiving2 жыл бұрын
Loser mindset from Abigail
@superafrikanmedialabs82372 жыл бұрын
@@Madyro trust me we not. Nobody really cares.
@warm_lettuce4732 жыл бұрын
@@Madyro So if someone is having suicidal thoughts they shouldn't get help? (By your logic of course).
@Madyro2 жыл бұрын
@@warm_lettuce473 you r putting words in my mouth never said that goofie
@thomasbonnett4800 Жыл бұрын
These conversations are so much more productive without a studio audience. So fascinating.
@leshithoshithonski8168 Жыл бұрын
"so much more"?
@tuxtitan780 Жыл бұрын
@leshithoshithonski8168 I mean have you ever seen someone like Ben Shapiro interview a trans person, or just liberal in general in front of an audience? Every single time, one side stutters, and the other yells, and eventually in devolves into both sides talking over each other and never making an effort to see the other side.
@thezimra9429 Жыл бұрын
tell me u watch TV to much without telling me u watch TV
@antoniosilvestrojr. Жыл бұрын
What percentage of a population do lgbt people make up? Yet the amount of attention they have gotten over the past few years is astonishing. Do you think that happened because they are the calm, quiet ones? If conservatives were as unproductive as you claim, we would have no semblance of society at all.
@JesusIsTheOnlyWay77711 ай бұрын
@@thezimra9429📺 🖥 📺 🖥 📺 🖥
@delonweird65002 жыл бұрын
The way the guys are standing in the spotlight is epic😂
@wyattgathje79252 жыл бұрын
Ur last name says it all.
@delonweird65002 жыл бұрын
@@wyattgathje7925 thanks😅
@jamesace10142 жыл бұрын
Lmfaoo I just noticed it yooo wtf
@Reykh242 жыл бұрын
Like the bohemian Rhapsody video lmao
@rabeataleb952 жыл бұрын
Kinda want them to hold each other's elbow and do the wave XD
@petuniapop78199 ай бұрын
Mad respect to Brandon for being open to learning and growing.
@rickyaburgos9 ай бұрын
Unfortunately nowadays he’s unbearable
@Noonegiveafuckaboutyouropinion9 ай бұрын
@@rickyaburgoswhat do u mean?
@angieg389 ай бұрын
@rickyaburgos how do you know?
@stjohnssoup7 ай бұрын
@@rickyaburgoshe also doesn’t follow the Bible
@rickyaburgos7 ай бұрын
@@angieg38 cuz he’s active on social media and has done if the most questionable and racist takes, he favors making content for white people
@embenn2 жыл бұрын
This is so hard to watch as a woman, there are such general statements that they view as factual about womens perceptions and feelings just isn’t true? There’s just SO MUCH projected feelings. If I took a shot every time I cringed, I’d be dead.
@derekisludicrous92032 жыл бұрын
Facts from both sides too
@rileymahoney28042 жыл бұрын
The trans side are talking about THEIR perspective of being a woman. Not how it is to be a woman.
@rileymahoney28042 жыл бұрын
@MrCrowley1018 ? What’s your point?
@LOKSTED2 жыл бұрын
Watch an episode of Survival: Men vs Women and you will know what they're talking about
@dawnevolution28192 жыл бұрын
I'm seriously convinced just right off the bat that most if not all of those conservative "men" don't view the trans men as anything other than manly women and if there's anything they've made very clear throughout their comments it's that they look down on and most certainly don't respect women. It's infuriating to have to listen to.
@apessimist9032 жыл бұрын
i’d love to see this but with trans women and conservative women as well. this was a great video
@daniellestark7582 жыл бұрын
!!
@awatsonista2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely!!
@apessimist9032 жыл бұрын
@@crobeastness why did you feel so inclined to go out of you’re way to say such an offensive statement
@crobeastness2 жыл бұрын
@@apessimist903 i was not being offensive. I'm bringing awareness to the fact that you are not obligated to believe in other people's ideology or philosophy. The offensive thing for someone to do is to lie to them to their face.
@apessimist9032 жыл бұрын
…… “not being offensive” i don’t think you get to chose what people can and cannot get offended by…
@bugazi39182 жыл бұрын
i find it so funny that they're talking about catcalling/public attacks as a basis of who's stronger or gets preyed on or whatever. but nobody ever asked, who, overwhelmingly, are the ones doing the attacking?
@sethputnamjr2 жыл бұрын
Black men
@fallingpil0t6452 жыл бұрын
@@sethputnamjr what is wrong with you
@fractale43222 жыл бұрын
Domestic abuse statistics between males and females are pretty much bang on 50/50
@rima.mv21472 жыл бұрын
@@fractale4322well no duh because that domestic it almost always affect both sides.
@stacycarlton20562 жыл бұрын
@@rima.mv2147 women tend to start the physical fight it’s kinda messed up when u consider the fact that lesbian relationships on average have disproportionate high rate of domestic violence against each other
@LoganKaynak-ue9xk29 күн бұрын
I was taught from an early age that crying in public (or even crying at all) is unacceptable and weak and that I should blame myself for all of my problems, no excuses. I still have difficulty understanding what toxicity is.
@Snookered45682 жыл бұрын
not the gay conservative saying to accept society the way it is… girl you should’ve accepted the way it was before gay marriage was legal then LMAO
@lavonnealexander69362 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂😂😂bruh just looking at him pisses me off.
@sylviaswayne2 жыл бұрын
This whole episode for him was just an ad for the DL Republicans on Grindr he’s gonna hook up with later
@jazzhoarhymestubig87772 жыл бұрын
@@sylviaswayne 💀
@GrassWarlock12 жыл бұрын
When did he say that tho
@jenniscott2 жыл бұрын
@@GrassWarlock1 around 7:50 🤣🤣
@7svn.2 жыл бұрын
Suffering in silence is the worst thing you can do to yourself and this is something men have lived with as this unspoken rule and look at where it leads.
@boguszmakowski23572 жыл бұрын
it's not bad if you can and want to deal with your problems, you just have to know if you need someones help.
@7svn.2 жыл бұрын
@@boguszmakowski2357 knowing when you need help and asking for help are 2 very different things. suffering in silence is when you know you need help but dont ask.
@boguszmakowski23572 жыл бұрын
@@7svn. i sometimes did and it was better like that, i dont like to share my emotions and some people don't like it as well
@leonsixt27442 жыл бұрын
Suffering in silence and getting through it makes you become very very strong and independent and you can survive alone but staying alone or if you don’t get through it which is likely you will break and or be unhappy. I got numb to a degree of feeling to a degree and I’m wondering from time to time if I even live. It derived from trust issues and maybe it’s how I developed. It’s not that I like being alone it’s that I have yet to meet someone
@ceciliaj31482 жыл бұрын
Its because of toxic masculinity.
@dahliaholm36372 жыл бұрын
Clarkson and his denying that people NEED external validation was so frustrating. If everyone he encountered misgendered him and invalidated his identity he would be a mess
@jinn24362 жыл бұрын
or he wouldn't care, or not take it seriously, life goes on
@letsexchangecansandbadadvi42452 жыл бұрын
I have No idea what this even means or is it I dont care,
@MrHxChris2 жыл бұрын
Anyone who believes that an individual needs zero validation outside of themselves, especially during developmentally critical stages of their lives, is either lying or very unknowledgeable.
@aechuhm81202 жыл бұрын
@@letsexchangecansandbadadvi4245 dw no one understands what you are talking about either
@Thatgenderconfused3mo2 жыл бұрын
@@MrHxChris Fr. I can not think of a single person who doesn’t need outside validation
@Gourd_gamer8 ай бұрын
I find myself more conservative leaning and i absolutely loved buck, super kind and open minded.
@teehee4402 ай бұрын
Buck is also conservative so
@hannahroswall2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know if this is just me, I think saying women are taking on a more masculine role as in being “independent” is quite offensive. Women have always been independent people but the world didn’t want women to be independent for so long. I feel as if my independence is more of me finding my femininity not me finding the masculine side of me.
@carlie49642 жыл бұрын
Yes.
@Goat.Cheese2 жыл бұрын
Amen
@megentapolo67012 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love this take
@didiaylin35072 жыл бұрын
Exactly 🙏🏻
@aleynademirkilic90382 жыл бұрын
Well, he did say it’s ‘associated’ with being masculine. Not that that’s necessarily true.
@posermatt12932 жыл бұрын
in an effort to not use pronouns, gilbert uses the pronouns they/them pronouns
@meirchaimo69602 жыл бұрын
Lmfao
@fur81042 жыл бұрын
They ain't a pronoun or a gender
@posermatt12932 жыл бұрын
@@fur8104 then what is it classified as?
@ffabriciuss2 жыл бұрын
@@fur8104 they is a pronoun bruh
@tokkieram2 жыл бұрын
@@fur8104 so what it is, tell us
@deannaclayton883 Жыл бұрын
The fact that Brandon truly thinks an inherent female quality is laying on the floor crying is insane to me
@zachman5150 Жыл бұрын
The fact that those buying into this incoherent narrative are conflating the variability in personality traits and temperament (neither of which is gender exclusive hence effeminate males, butch females and tomboys) w/ gender is insane to me
@deannaclayton883 Жыл бұрын
@@zachman5150 What is the incoherent narrative you're referring to?
@yakult9618 Жыл бұрын
@@zachman5150 you know damn well you dont speak like that in real life. stop tryna sound like an intellectual, you look silly
@zachman5150 Жыл бұрын
@@yakult9618 That wasn't much a a refutation. The problem you have with your virtue signaling is, the total absence of any actual 'virtue' in any of your unhinged whinging. Besides, "It's usually futile to talk Facts and Analysis to people [like you] who are enjoying a sense of moral superiority, in their ignorance".-- T. Sowell And I think you just provided another example for validation. Please dismiss yourself, or up your game considerably, before attempting to reply with another Arctic room temperature IQ rant
@jennakfae Жыл бұрын
But you do see women being more emotional and crying in different places lol I would cry on the floor it's not a bad thing it's just part of being emotional
@spookmagooked30179 ай бұрын
"My wife has privilege, because she has me. So she doesn't have to worry about her safety because I'm there." Well that's one way to admit that you have privilege- without realizing it at all.
@albuquerquehotspot78358 ай бұрын
You really came to that conclusion from that statement? 😂 wtf. He’s saying she has the privilege of having a hard working protector and provider so she can focus on other things lmao. It is a privilege.
@ruthcandice43368 ай бұрын
@@albuquerquehotspot7835The mans the privilege interesting
@wzg88048 ай бұрын
@@albuquerquehotspot7835Fr these feminists will always find a way to push their delusional narrative that women are victimized lmao
@rootgonewild3305 ай бұрын
because men are protectors! he said that very well
@ruthcandice43365 ай бұрын
@@rootgonewild330 Are they?
@critter4662 Жыл бұрын
I’m a woman and I need men. I also need women. I need community and togetherness.
@carolinepena5633 Жыл бұрын
As a women I agree with needing community and togetherness from time to time, to support and strengthen each other mutually IF there is need. However if you have to rely too much on others, it can only lead to inequality and trouble: either you are burdening someone with your problems (emotional or financial) and they are the ones having to improve your situation & support you - or you are the one doing that. And once this inequality is presented, there will inevitably be a breaking point for "the provider" where they will be like "sorry, I can't do this anymore" and leave you. Which is why it is better to strive for independence if you can - you have your own self to support and your own battles to fight.
@raghuvenkatesan6792 Жыл бұрын
Yes but you need men more
@carolinepena5633 Жыл бұрын
@@raghuvenkatesan6792 Be it men or woman, in general try to take care of yourself and only rely on them IF you need to :). Besides unless you want to reproduce, there is no need for a certain sex specifically.
@yubullyme3855 Жыл бұрын
@@raghuvenkatesan6792 YOU need men bruh
@raghuvenkatesan6792 Жыл бұрын
@@yubullyme3855 everyone needs men, especially you
@jazzyj6640 Жыл бұрын
"suffering in silence" is NOT healthy.
@happydimsum8221 Жыл бұрын
Say's who
@JD-lm2es Жыл бұрын
@@happydimsum8221 multiple therapists and psychologists
@meandyourmom3083 Жыл бұрын
@@happydimsum8221 is that a real question
@LilFoxyCosplay Жыл бұрын
Agreed speaking from experience
@brookelynmccomas2139 Жыл бұрын
Agreed. Men, women, trans, non-binary. Everyone has feelings and should be able to express themselves accordingly.
@swami44422 жыл бұрын
You can tell that buck has seen/experienced it all, hes open and sees and accepts everyone’s takes without ego and it is really respectable. We need more people like buck
@MastaOfMonkeyDisasta2 жыл бұрын
Buck is the only non-delusional one, and the healthiest mentally with little to no past emotional baggage.
@miaradi74412 жыл бұрын
@Lyler Taley what is he delusional about?
@south5142 жыл бұрын
@Lyler Taley I'm assuming you're acting patronizing and not giving any actual response because you don't have one, you're also overcompensating a bit ngl
@prvtc69752 жыл бұрын
@Lyler Taley are you okay?
@prvtc69752 жыл бұрын
@@MastaOfMonkeyDisasta none of these people are delusional, there is nothing to be delusional about.
@cjrdeveaux10 ай бұрын
🙌🏻 Buck so much knowledge and insight!
@elifgoksualgn27442 жыл бұрын
clarkson said "we have to accept society as it is". and my question to him is: who said the way society is right now is the only true way?? Is this a rule? A law? who says that's final?
@jasonhoffarth2 жыл бұрын
exactly
@MsDudette212 жыл бұрын
i mean u do have to accept biological reality if thats what he was specifically talking about
@copyrightstrike69492 жыл бұрын
What if everyone said that during the era of slavery? What if everyone said that during the Americans being oppressed under British rule? What would change?
@blehshush2 жыл бұрын
@@MsDudette21 the way you think about biological sex is very wrong, pls go and read some bio books, there are more then two sexes (not talking about gender, I'm talking about what a person is born as.. their sex) sex is just as huge of a spectrum as the present day gender is
@Suckitfromthaackbays2 жыл бұрын
Ironic coming from a gay guy too. Unfortunately many of them (white) have become very comfortable with maintaining the status quo now that they’re included in it
@mariana-ww2he2 жыл бұрын
yes a looooot of "men commit suicide" more than women actually, but when you also wanna say stuff like you "don't wanna cry in front of your family" and just want to "suffer in silence" you have to wonder why suicide rates are so high in men... these points are contradictory and some men (not always by fault of their own) are making their lives harder :/
@Trapping_ackbar72 жыл бұрын
The main reason why men's suicide rate is so high is because they often use irreversible methods (e.g. guns, tall buildings, nooses). Dealing with men depression is much different than women's, and much of the psychological literature treat them the same. That's not an endorsement of the "suffer in silence" point, but you don't help mens depression by simply "talking it out" like you would with women on average.
@MsDudette212 жыл бұрын
hit the nail on the head. thats why men commit suicide more. if u wanna get technical women attempt more, but men succeed, for lack of a better word, more in committing suicide. women generally try to overdose while men are more likely to use a gun. men are so used to aggressive behavior that they resort to killing themselves in a very harmful way. men need to be more emotionally available to each other and society in general needs to tell men having feelings isnt a weakness. it simply makes u human
@HawkUnleashed2 жыл бұрын
I love whenever people talk about mens suicide its always in a way that blames men. Men need to do this or that. Its not treated as a mental illness issue its treated as a fault of them. Funny as fuck and super hypocritical.
@tammy54662 жыл бұрын
@@HawkUnleashed no its not. We're trying to understand the root of certain ttitudes and why men are so depressed lol. It's never anyone's fault but when a literal patriarchy upholds those attitudes that cause men lower on the social spectrum to hurt themselves we have to address it.
@basstt56152 жыл бұрын
@@HawkUnleashed no one's treating it as a fault, however you can't say men shouldn't express their emotions and then be surprised when they do it in a harmful way. They don't know how to do it properly. Part of trying to address the issue is looking for possible reasons why the rates are so high, and that's one of those reasons. How about stop taking everything as an attack towards men when we are literally discussing something that would be beneficial to them
@janniegurl052 жыл бұрын
Suffer in silence is never OK. Having a cry is much better than “ suffering in silence.“ suffering as silence is what leads a whole bunch of people into channeling their emotions in negative way such as anger, abuse, drug, alcoholism, self harm, etc.
@orm22362 жыл бұрын
that’s a normative statement, perhaps someone who struggles with channeling and dealing with emotion would fit under your opinion, but some people may just find it easier to deal with their emotions within and feel more comfortable in doing so, without fitting under your opinion
@bawsnitti2 жыл бұрын
@@orm2236 agreed Talk to em
@marcoschagas96462 жыл бұрын
As well as depression and other psychological strugles
@Qwerty-jc3so2 жыл бұрын
@@orm2236 Actually no, even those who feel better being quiet about it, do so because of shame and embarassment. Even the most introverted people want atleast one understanding person to lend them a shoulder, where they can open up about themselves. Humans are social beings, civil people who solve things with discussion. Most people are horrible at dealing with trauma all alone.
@orm22362 жыл бұрын
@@Qwerty-jc3so you can still be social without wearing your heart on your sleeve
@williamnduka55644 ай бұрын
I like the fact that everyone was mature in this conversation i really expected them to fight but they were very understanding of each other's view
@charliesawyers-rees26502 жыл бұрын
How can someone encourage the narrative of 'men should suffer in silence/not cry etc' then also talk about Male Suicide rates as a lack of privilege? How don't you connect those two issues and understand them as cause/effect? I don't think I could ever do a show like this because I couldn't sit and talk with people who don't respect me or my identity. Huge respect to these Trans Men for being able to do that Edit: I've muted notifs so by all means continue arguing with yourself, have a nice day :)
@fannyanny16732 жыл бұрын
1 word. Americans
@ace23112 жыл бұрын
So you wouldn't be able to have a conversation with someone that has a differing opinion to yours???oh brother...
@fawnsflowers2 жыл бұрын
@@ace2311 it’s not a difference of opinion, it’s a complete disrespect of identity. Vastly different.
@charliesawyers-rees26502 жыл бұрын
@@ace2311 no I have many conversations with people who differ in opinion to me when it comes to politics etc. I don't have conversations with people who fundamentally disagree with my identity because unsurprisingly that's incredibly stressful and dysphoria enducing.
@cael_aj2 жыл бұрын
@Gavin Reed Do you have any sources to back up your claim that men are "designed to be less emotional from birth"? I'd be curious to know if any research exists to back that up.
@marianagonzalez6752 жыл бұрын
The amount of times I said WTF with some of these statements is unbelievable.
@Tom100P2 жыл бұрын
Indeed. The cognitive dissonance, particularly from the conservative side, is quite astounding.
@AJ-lm5dl2 жыл бұрын
@@Tom100P Y'all are literally "pro women's rights" while simultaneously advocating for men in dresses to compete and dominate in women's sports. Look in the mirror before you try to point fingers at who has cognitive dissonance. You don't even believe women exist.
@jmlorenzo36392 жыл бұрын
Me too lol
@BenA11302 жыл бұрын
@@Tom100P are we going to ignore how astounding it is that people think they can change their bioLOGICal identity?
@rawfermews41862 жыл бұрын
@@BenA1130 nobody said anything about biological identity… 🤔
@Cheekydr42 жыл бұрын
Brandon: Men should suffer in silence Also Brandon: Men commit suicide at higher rates, it's a problem
@mechamach88732 жыл бұрын
Suffering in silence and bottling up your emotions are different things, I think that those who deny suffering and bottle up their emotions are the ones that are commiting suicide because they can't express emotions to even themselves.
@michaellakosia68762 жыл бұрын
Lol right. There is a disconnect there. The contradiction.
@michaellakosia68762 жыл бұрын
@@mechamach8873 they are not really that different. Someone who suffers in silence tend to bottle up their feelings. Which increases chances of them worsening their mental health.
@drsquid79862 жыл бұрын
@@michaellakosia6876 the key is to suffer in silence and open up when in a better setting, suffering openly only makes me and most men feel weak
@1diana19952 жыл бұрын
Brandon is very confused. And fragile
@williamjamesakamusicman140310 ай бұрын
Notice that nobody was at war with one another? This was one of the most peaceful debates I think I have seen on this channel. Was more like a guys day out hanging with the boys just having a discussion about random topics. I actually enjoyed this fully.
@NicDunn2 жыл бұрын
I was a little worried at the start when they started raising their voices but this one ended very respectfully and I feel both sides were able to learn from the other. Fine work, boys
@NicDunn2 жыл бұрын
@Repent or you will likewise perish. doing God’s work
@areolagrandespoop72692 жыл бұрын
@@NicDunn they aren’t doing anything but making a fool of themselves on the internet
@areolagrandespoop72692 жыл бұрын
@@NicDunn you people are losing it
@NicDunn2 жыл бұрын
@@areolagrandespoop7269 you people? Which group do you think I belong to?
@areolagrandespoop72692 жыл бұрын
@@NicDunn the fairytales book club group. Don’t act slow
@RachelKay5282 жыл бұрын
I'm sorry, what?? When Clarkson said "Anybody that wants to fundamentally change society and change gender roles, that's not happiness. And if we want to fight for acceptance, we need to start with acceptance...which is accepting society for what it is." So what I'm hearing him say, is society is what it is and we shouldn't strive for a better one? That's absolutely bonkers.
@c.johnson17892 жыл бұрын
Especially since he’s gay. Apparently you can’t spell self hatred without putting Clarkson in it.
@RachelKay5282 жыл бұрын
@@c.johnson1789 I know. Seeing people in the LGBTQ+ community stand up for conservative beliefs makes my heart sad 😔
@zenfae83732 жыл бұрын
@@RachelKay528 lol so a gay guy can't be conservative? What? You know beliefs are a bit more nuanced right?
@@kasunkavishka2976 It's pretty clear that not all conservative beliefs discriminate LGBTQ individuals if there are queer conservatives. Just like there's religious people who're more progressive.
@lilpanda12172 жыл бұрын
I feel so incredibly sorry for that one man's trans friend. It's also hilarious (in a sad way) that he uses they/them pronouns while saying he won't use their preferred pronouns or "any" pronouns for them. 🤦♀️
@gildrop2 жыл бұрын
Why should you feel sorry for them? If the mans friend doesn't have a problem with it, neither should you. And if he/she did have a problem with it, said person would speak up and say so.
@the-birbo2 жыл бұрын
@@gildrop as a trans person who has had transphobic acquaintances claim me as their trans friend and then misgender me, i say your argument is invalid 🤪
@idkbro14162 жыл бұрын
@@the-birbo As a not transgender person, I say nobody cares
@stefanculo2 жыл бұрын
I hear so many trans people say stop assuming my gender etc but you just assumed someone feelings and way of thinking without doubting that the other person might feel and think differently to you. Cos we never even saw anything about his friend, tf?
@gildrop2 жыл бұрын
@@the-birbo Sorry, but i'm not changing grammar and the english language to make you feel special.
@quinnydoll10 ай бұрын
Clarkson is giving me uncanny valley vibes I’m so scared rn
@quinnydoll10 ай бұрын
He’s a robot
@mattb67043 ай бұрын
He’s not as smart as he thinks he is.
@swampfoxfpv2 жыл бұрын
Jubilee can be off the charts cringe sometimes, especially when tackling some of these culture war topics, but they absolutely crushed this one. Excellent panel and the longer form did the topic so much justice. Excellent work
@Amanda-hw3zj2 жыл бұрын
I agree! This is one of the most balanced episodes so far.
@deeptoot14532 жыл бұрын
Agreed! This is one of the best, one of the worst was the fashion rated by girls to guys.
@cmooreHD2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I was so into the conversation it didn’t even feel like 45mins. I loved both sides opinions on everything!
@RiniDiamandis2 жыл бұрын
So true! I like that they do stuff for all the different ppl in their audience. Like they'll do these but then they'll do lighter almost silly videos like "take someone on a date based on their outfit!" Its a nice balance, their team is obv full of ppl with ideas and it's cool that they make them a reality! Prob why theyre so successful 😄
@ramy83382 жыл бұрын
no ... it's still bad
@eggnoy Жыл бұрын
Buck and Brandon should do a separate conversation, they seem to be the more mature and articulate of the bunch.
@f4gsforpele Жыл бұрын
Definitely
@piperdozier6596 Жыл бұрын
Brandon Tatum is awesome, speaks at a lot of events! I got to meet him and would suggest looking into his videos, He’s great!
@fighthive4808 Жыл бұрын
Brandon’s personal views are extremely antiquated but he’s definitely one of the best here when it comes to conversing.
@wandering4786 Жыл бұрын
He’s nice to listen to, but he was quite disingenuous for parts of the convo. The minute he refused to acknowledge the difference in how men and women would feel while being catcalled or the male privilege in feeling safer in general, I couldn’t take him serious.
@abstraqtphilosophy7357 Жыл бұрын
@@fighthive4808 and what's wrong with his views being extremely antiquated? Where is it written that extreme antiquated views are bad?
@Camibug2 жыл бұрын
He really said that women saying they don’t need the door opened for them is attacking men LMAO
@cman042 жыл бұрын
It is when women complain that there are no longer any real men because they've lost their chivalry. Do you want to be equal, or do you want to be treated as if you're precious?
@cheesehat64206 ай бұрын
"i don't really use the pronouns that my friend would want" and your a bad friend for it
@heeheemoheehee65816 ай бұрын
Ong
@vamzombeh6 ай бұрын
frfr someone save that friend
@heeheemoheehee65815 ай бұрын
@@Mad_scientist_ha_ha_ha it’s not like you are changing your pronouns stop acting like trans people are ruining your life
@Mad_scientist_ha_ha_ha5 ай бұрын
@@heeheemoheehee6581 Still not participating in their delulu
@heeheemoheehee65815 ай бұрын
@@Mad_scientist_ha_ha_ha stay filled with hate
@ArigatoGrande2 жыл бұрын
Brandon disagrees with "I have male privilege" but then goes on to say, "my wife has privilege because she has me"
@fur81042 жыл бұрын
The meant the fact she has him to protect her? What does protecting have to do with male privilege The guy under me needs to learn how to read
@Lol-xt5ok2 жыл бұрын
@@MS-sr6mj men do care about womens issues, what are you talking about?
@Melarona232 жыл бұрын
@@MS-sr6mj there are women who sexualize themselves and promote what u stated. Kim kardashian, cardi B in wap. Girls who do onlyfans.
@Lol-xt5ok2 жыл бұрын
@@MS-sr6mj yes, men do care about womens issues, average and decent men at least. what men has ever promoted prostitution and called it “empowering”? It’s literally made illegal in the US. I’m 99% sure you’re basing all your claims on a very small portion of men that actually says crap like that. 50/50 in a relationship is absolutely fair, what are you on? There’s no reason why either significant other should be contributing and investing more in a relationship than the other (talking about healthy relationships) Finally, the gender wage gap doesn’t exist, even if it does, it’s a very small and insignificant amount.
@Andrew_Jordaan2 жыл бұрын
@@MS-sr6mj the only people promoting prostitution as empowering are other women, are you seriously so delusional? not to mention THE PAY GAP HAS BEEN DEBUNKED LIKE 10 YEARS AGO! the average pay was not calculated considering job titles, average work hours, age, time spent in career, or anything it was smack bang just the average amount, meaning more men want to be engineers and more women want to be florists, more men want to be plumbers and more women want to be nurses. Do you see the difference, those jobs have massive pay differences. And its not that women dont get employed, its because we have different interests. OMG how are you so short sighted?
@darleneg38892 жыл бұрын
If slaves around the world accepted society for what it was they would have never been free. If women accepted that they were never gonna be able to vote, they would still not be voting. Personal opinion but it was a very ignorant statement. Also we can never judge the current state of the world without understanding and knowing how it came to be.
@kennideesampson85612 жыл бұрын
Preach 👏
@Shewas-kathybates2 жыл бұрын
Wise words Darlene
@byronstone3862 жыл бұрын
That comment from him bothered me so much especially because he's GAY If we "accepted society for what it is" long ago he would be stoned to death
@nojonunes2 жыл бұрын
@@byronstone386 exactly my thought
@Random-sk6hm2 жыл бұрын
@@byronstone386 EXACTLY LMAO
@aliciadoll58222 жыл бұрын
“Cry and lay on the ground and be feminine like women”... Guess I’ve been doing life as a woman wrong 🤷🏼♀️
@mesa97242 жыл бұрын
Woman are prone to emotional outbursts. That’s just a biological fact.
@kopaljain40342 жыл бұрын
the fact that this is how i have to be as a woman in 2022 is so much. I need to change!!!
@Errornoname62002 жыл бұрын
It’s ok! You can join me for my daily woman-crying-on-the-floor hour from now on!
@kopaljain40342 жыл бұрын
@@Errornoname6200 thankyou woman
@Errornoname62002 жыл бұрын
@@kopaljain4034 you are welcome fellow weakling woman!
@sakoora44129 ай бұрын
Seeing both sides respect eachother is really nice to see, in a lot of these videos i see the two sides usually start yelling and such, really nice sight to see
@op-wn9ocАй бұрын
Yelling makes content entertainment so why not be chill and watch chaos