Black Christmas (2019) KILL COUNT

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[@TylerPCoyne]

Have a safe Christmas this year James!

[@unusual3372]

Sup

[@unusual3372]

This is the best channel ever

[@lemurman7978]

Epic

[@Dutch-van_der-linde]

Have a merry Christmas

[@lazarusthibodeaux]

The Descent succeed because it made the women believable. They weren’t all hardened badasses, they were scared and bewildered by what happened to them, Juno only becomes a badass because of all the trauma she’s been through.

[@sl2547]

True. Plus it wasn't written with the main goal of making an overt statement, whereas Black Christmas is overbearing message first, film second.

[@milkgxng]

Yeah and it actually put out the message about women being equally capable without literally saying it every 10 seconds. It's annoying and that's the reason it's at the bottom 100, even besides the fact that it's as shallow as a puddle and written by a zoomer twitter director

[@cidevant002]

That is a horrible message, though. Trauma doesn't make you a badass, it makes you a traumatized person. If you overcome struggles is going to be despite the trauma, not BECAUSE of it. ALthough, to be fair, this is a general trend of movies and not the sole fault of that one.

[@SydneySighs]

@@milkgxng that's exactly why I liked The Descent

[@rovianrosalia6643]

It has a nice message that women are strong without even being overly political like this one.

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

This movie's biggest problem is the character of Kris. She's outright terrible, especially coopting Riley's trauma for her social fighting, and when called out on it, she is quick to justify her actions with 'Because Misogyny' which not only trivializes the issue but is highly ironic, because Kris is literally fighting misogyny with more misogyny.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Yeah. Some of James' ideas of Kris being a "activist" would of been cool.

[@Pinocchio1159]

I think the last word is supposed to be misandry but yeah

[@DrGregoryHouseIT]

@@Pinocchio1159 I said misogyny because I was referring to the way Kris treated Riley.

[@Pinocchio1159]

@@DrGregoryHouseIT oh okay

[@Lucas_F_Melo]

You have a good point, but I would say that the biggest problem is the absence of Billy. The "multiple killers" idea was awful. Not just the execution, but the idea itself. Why couldn't she (the director) create a third version of Billy? There would be three Billy renditions. Original in 74, yellow-skin 2006 Billy and 2019's Billy. We still have that setup of sorority girls in Christmas, and that's good. And the glass unicorn reference. But these good decisions don't save the movie, right? Also, the lackluster kills and toned-down violence.

[@pakii]

"Dialog sounds like it was taken from twitter" lmao there is no better description

[@kombomaster9141]

Lol yes

[@insaneDriP]

@@kombomaster9141 is

[@kombomaster9141]

@@insaneDriP what?

[@bleak4318]

@@insaneDriP what?

[@affiliate-slim555]

Or reddit

[@g_oram15]

Love how, the main characters, or “heroes” killed more innocent people than the bad guys.

[@domocracydestroyer8219]

Lmao

[@idkimjustdarkfudgelol6896]

Fr lol.

[@stlouisrocker100]

Sign that little thought went into the screenplay

[@s.nifrum4580]

No you don’t get it They were men and men aren’t allowed to be innocent, they need to be horrible monsters at all times so that fake feminists can have an actual case

[@Spine-Snatcher]

@@s.nifrum4580 true lmao

[@DodoRibeiro-ts6po]

Black Christmas 2006: I'm one of the worst remakes of all Black Christmas 2019: Hold my black goo

[@ihaveagun958]

Bruh

[@uzielyanez5975]

@@ihaveagun958 lol

[@subscorpion9560]

yea I rather watch 2006 one than the 2019 one

[@uzielyanez5975]

@@subscorpion9560 why?

[@nonspiderweb]

Is this even a remake? Say what you want about the last one at least it had Billy. It had way more of Billy then we may have ever wanted to know, but at least he was in the film. This feels like a remake in name only

[@boatfodder7591]

Out of all of the cringe lines, I think "It's just drawing out your true Alpha" was the one that took the most years off of my life. If I watched the whole movie, it might just leave me deceased.

[@animeotaku307]

Seriously. I don't think even incels would say that line without bursting into laughter over how ridiculous it is.

[@calmcuke6865]

@@animeotaku307 Clearly you haven't seen many incels. That alpha beta logic is their literal territory.

[@animeotaku307]

@@calmcuke6865 I’m trying to keep some faith in humanity, here.

[@nataliealphonse4634]

@@animeotaku307 consider there are boards where incels venerate actual mass murders because their acts were motivated by misogyny

[@animeotaku307]

@@nataliealphonse4634 Unfortunately, I’m aware.

[@T1J]

i truly think this is one of those movies people might watch in the future to laugh at how silly it is

[@guesswho-f3w]

Honestly

[@Eliqueme]

Heya, Nice to see you around these parts mate. Hope everyone is having happy holidays this year 'round!

[@darklord884]

Kinda like the 2006 one.

[@EdridgeRonin]

A future a cult classic

[@darklord884]

@@EdridgeRonin Or a future contender for when you want to laugh at stupid shit whiĺe wasted.

[@somerelativleyuninterestin4763]

Jesus, this movie actively ends up making it look like rapists and murderers aren’t even in control of themselves. It literally works against its own message

[@colinbaldwin313]

Yep. As long as they've come into contact with that toxic goo, then apparently, boys will be boys.

[@charlottewalnut3118]

Well, because technically they weren’t, they were being possessed by an evil undead spirit using a magic item. This is like a dungeons and dragons adventure or some thing. Not a good horror movie and all of the main characters are going to end up in jail because they just burned down in entire fraternity full of people, and no one’s going to believe their story.

[@PR0MAN01]

@@charlottewalnut3118 Yes but if the message they were going for was "rape is bad" then maybe don't give the rapists an excuse to justify why they raped people. I Spit on Your Grave is a stomach churning movie but at no point as the rapists given any leeway or sympathy as people.

[@LinkMarioSamus]

If this was more satirical in the vein of Get Out maybe the goo thing would have been more palatable. I had a hard time taking the whole "transporting brains" aspect of that movie seriously but it still kind of worked just because the movie didn't really try to explain it!

[@Lylizabeth]

@@charlottewalnut3118I didn’t rape you it was a secret magical item I SWEAR

[@madiz0n_leigh855]

James: “let’s get into it!” Taco Bell commercial: I think the fuck not

[@thefrenchman7751]

It was a Vaseline ad for me 💀

[@natebaldwin7469]

I got a beer ad

[@YourFavoriteBlackGuy]

I got an add on, diapers.....

[@random_meta]

Food delivery ad for me. I never even order 😒

[@xGhilex]

i got a ad blocker

[@camilasantiago1758]

"The dialogue sounds like it was taken directly from Twitter" - James A. Janisse 2020 🤣😂

[@MtnDew4828]

Mtn dew

[@TylerPCoyne]

**B R U H !**

[@SeuSav]

As a some one who has the curse of being a twitter user,I cant disagree

[@silentjohnny4988]

Stuckmann said it first!

[@camilasantiago1758]

@@silentjohnny4988 Who? I didn't read the comments

[@Solonoface42]

Merry Christmas, James. You make every holiday even better.

[@captainllama2240]

I was gonna say that

[@karterlg1062]

Agreed!

[@gooseberryproductions8908]

^^^what they said

[@TylerPCoyne]

Merry Christmas to you too!

[@rexinicle1942]

Aww that’s nice 😉

[@wiseguychampia6647]

"Great for pressuring a rape victim to do what you want" Probably the best line in this video

[@TotallyNotJustCynical]

That was the most kind-hearted negative review of a movie I've ever heard, it's so wholesome.

[@Someone-kw7ep]

That's James for ya! ^^

[@aesukiqt625]

How have you already watched it?- It went out 2 mins ago and is 24 mins long- ( Not hating btw! ^^)

[@aricohen9112]

@@aesukiqt625 IKR LIKE WHAT

[@pikadex9502]

How was this commented 13 hours ago what

[@dedshade]

@@aesukiqt625 patreon

[@LadyViscera]

I’m really struggling to understand why they’d make Kris the hero at the end. Everything she did throughout the entire movie made her seem like a terrible person.

[@brookeparker2488]

she def was, horrible friend too

[@imissyou523]

Because she’s a black female femenist, so they think that’s empowering

[@sammygecko_]

They want the loud, out spoken activist to look good so they can encourage that kind of thinking. (Maybe. I have no idea what they thought) Yeah.,.. I.. I don’t like aggressive activism that overshadows the struggles of off shooting problems (like victim blaming or aggressive to they point where they feel like there goal is to oppress the “other side”) It just gives people more of a reason to turn away from the feminist movement and believe that the aggressive side is the only side

[@myasmith1820]

@Lenniks Yep and as a bi, black female I was rooting for the killer.

[@zacharyrosemann]

Its the movies attempt at a redeemable character moment

[@XwX1001]

The problem isn't that there are feminist themes, the original had those and it turned out fine. The problem is that said feminist themes weren't handled well, and, likewise, even if those themes WEREN'T there, the movie would still suck anyways. Adding in feminist themes to a bad movie is already insulting to said themes, handling feminist themes poorly in ANY movie is equally insulting, but handling feminist themes poorly in a bad movie is the BIGGEST insult to feminist themes there is in movies.

[@AzureRoxe]

The problem isn't the feminist themes, it's that it uses Twitter feminist themes.

[@you-5-iver804]

@@AzureRoxe It uses Modern Day feminist themes. SJWs and feminists are cancer these days.

[@xubs5919]

@@you-5-iver804 no, it's really just dumb twitter activism. go outside more. also, extremism is "cancer" this days, and that goes for any political movement.

[@seventeenseventythirteen7465]

@@you-5-iver804 God damn how terminally online must you be to still be angry at SJWs and feminists these days. That trend ended like 4 years ago. Do something else by now and quit thinking all strife can be put on people who have some well intentions but fudge it up fairly often.

[@somethingclever8916]

@@AzureRoxe these "themes" are valid they have yet to write it in an entertaining way. Hollywood did a better job of"feminist themes" in the 1930s than now. Focus on the story and character. It comes across as condescending and not believable

[@Ferrindel]

Kris chickening out actually makes perfect sense. Often the most brash, outspoken people who make sure everyone knows how antagonistic they are end up being among the most cowardly.

[@Klm49]

She comes back later to fight dude.

[@Ferrindel]

@@Klm49 Lol did you seriously go through like every critical comment in this thread? She’s not a real person, she’s a fictional character. You’ve got waaaay too much time/anger on your hands trying to pick fights over a silly movie.

[@hidenname541]

​​@@FerrindelNapoleon complex, the smaller dog always has the loudet bark

[@2000fiona]

​@@Ferrindel And they also sometimes have a lot of prejudice, which makes them very hypocritical. I know a dude who spoke against fat shaming, racism and LGBTphobia, but was at the same time pretty sexist, had prejudice with poorer people and bodyshamed skinny people

[@chr0me3ye]

"No bad kill count, only bad movie. " - Mr. Meatagi

[@llskell961]

Karate kid reference? To Mr. Miyagi?

[@chr0me3ye]

@@llskell961 yessir

[@OoToxiToxioO]

COBRA KAIIIII

[@lionelhutz5137]

Sweep the leg

[@batsematary]

Lol

[@stevencoffin328]

That scene where Riley apologized to Kris was so annoying. It should have been the other way around because Kris was the one who was being a terrible friend. In fact it annoyed me that Kris barely got called out on her bullshit at all. That would have been a good character arch for her to learn that she shouldn't try use her friend's trauma for her activism. I also think some of the blame should be directed at Blumhouse because a remake of Black Christmas written and directed by a woman is a good idea they just shouldn't have only given her two months to write the script. This whole movie felt sloppy like the script was a first draft and it probably was. I will say I did like the "snow angel" death. That was a pretty cool visual.

[@cheekbonestrenchcoat]

Kris got validated for basically coercing a victim into doing stuff she didn't want to do and not listening to her about using her experience without her permission. The messages are all twisted and contrived and, like James says, never really explored properly

[@vasconcelos7356]

I noticed that angel too, it is really interesting how they used the snow to make it looks like she was directly sent to heaven.

[@alquesi9241]

Lmk h

[@storm612]

That pissed me off so much. In what world is it appropriate to guilt trip a SA survivor into wearing a revealing costume in front of their rapist??? It’s not like that would be super uncomfortable/s

[@PowerPackers90]

@@jacksonkent69 Like pointed out in this review. There is a scene in this movie that shows that. When the boyfriend is getting angry and calls Chris out on her bullshit and points out not every man wants to control, rape, and hurt women. And Chris attacks him for "manslpaning" to her. Yet the ending tells us Chis is in the right somehow. And that it was the boyfriend turnings into one the cult boys. Which is complete BS and sends the wrong message.

[@TheDittoMan]

The worst part about this movie was that it barely even felt Christmassy!

[@amandap7733]

So true. You could have set it during any time and it would have been the same. "Black Midterm" anyone, no, no "Red Midterm" because blood is red and you don't want a lot of red marks on your midterm papers.

[@lagigtesketit4379]

thats because it doesnt snow all that much, so trees and that dont actually appear snowy, because they straight up dont get snow lol

[@brandonjones9998]

I thought the worst part was when the movie started. Best part was when it was over.

[@bernebelmont1857]

Tbh that aspect alone probably puts 2006 above this for me

[@qatonfire7476]

I love how James criticizes the movie without making light of or dismissing the issues it talks about. Really respect that.

[@G0LD0GG09]

@Inland Empire well the difference is women were exploited back then while Men are Alienated nowadays. Sure fan service and female body expectancy can be very tasteless and just straight up exploitation as I’ve said, but in this and Charlie’s angels everyone involved alienated and satirized men to such a degree it makes people feel like there’s nothing good about men Period. The director for Charlie’s angels even out right blamed and verbally attacked men believing they were the reason her movie failed when she also said “this isn’t a film for Men, it’s strictly for women” it just comes across as xenophobic at its most extremes and dark parody at its lightest.

[@AngelofMusic04]

@Inland Empire The thing with "Charlie's Angels" was that people were out to roast it from the get go because Elizabeth Banks dared to cast (soon to be Oscar winner) Kristen Stewart as an Angel and no one let up about it to this day, even though she's basically the most revered performance of the year for "Spencer". As for how men in that film were depicted, Banks didn't do anything with her "Charlie's Angels" that McG and team hadn't already done with theirs, which also portrayed the male characters outside of Charlie (and arguably Bosley) in poor lights; even those well meaning (i.e. the Angels' love interests and parents) are total morons. Now, did Banks overreact? Perhaps a tad, but that movie was at least fun.

[@wiseguychampia6647]

He's more subtle than the movie

[@tylerwade3682]

The problem with this train wreck is that is was more focused on beating you over the head with the message than an actual story. As a writer, that’s just insulting. It’s so black and white and just flat out sexist when it could’ve been more interesting when it can get gray with the theme. Sure there are worse movies out there but this one took a serious message and made more toxic and sounded like a long Twitter rant

[@Mercygrim96]

I think part of the reason why the writing isn't good is because they only had a few months to write it. As a fellow writer I know that the pressure of an unreasonable time constraint can sometimes ruin the intentions of the work.

[@hewhoshallnotbenamed5168]

It was more focused on propaganda than engaging storytelling.

[@addylenwest8536]

yeah, honestly it probably could have been better if blumhouse cared enough to give them more time to prepare

[@captainboner8371]

It’s more a barbecue McCheese than a good movie

[@brickofbruh1236]

At the very least, we can all agree that James gave a good negative review.

[@Gojeto346]

that “I hope you’re doing okay” and “be good people” be hittin kinda different today, hope you guys all have a wonderful holiday season!

[@ilovemonkeys4399]

Thanks☺☺

[@Gas2311]

I feel like my family is rejecting me, me, my parents, cousins, uncles and grandparents are all celebrating christmas together. Everyone gave each other presents, except for me, i got nothing from anyone except from my parents. When talking they never listen to what i say:( its hard times, i just wanna let you know that you made my christmas bro! Thx and have a great christmas!

[@c.i.a9408]

You do well as well Gogeta, I’ll be watching to make sure.

[@Gojeto346]

@@Gas2311 I’m sorry to hear that, but Christmas isn’t all about presents! Give it some time and maybe try to find some common topics to talk about with to someone and you’ll gradually be let into some more conversations! Family is rough but I hope it works out!!!

[@Gas2311]

@@Gojeto346 i know its not all about presents bro, its just the fact that my family didnt bother to give me any as the only one, maybe they forgot me idk. Thx for the reply, have a great christmas

[@sb289]

*Looks at thumbnail* “Why is Doctor Doom in this movie?”

[@owyemen9367]

That's what I thought too it's just doom from fant4stic

[@Raccon_Detective.]

Thought the same thing

[@unfortunatewitnessX]

Oh man! I wish I thought of that! The killer in the thumbnail DOES look like the super villain Doctor Doom from the Marvel Comics, doesn't (s)he ?

[@Blebstinchen]

Lmao you're right

[@owyemen9367]

@@unfortunatewitnessX why did you say (s)he we know they are Male

[@dhaz4455]

If Kris has been the first kill, the movie would have improved 50% Change my mind

[@VonDoom-qr1me]

Riley and kris both

[@sabbathb6548]

I don’t want to and I won’t.

[@somethingclever8916]

She is why only 2% of the world is on Twitter

[@spencerthestupidsamurai7326]

Why change your mind about something objectively true?

[@SavouryGalette]

I'm not gonna change your mind because you're very much correct

[@delsinrowe2014]

Number one rule of making an awesome empowering character: don’t constantly shout at the audience that he or she is “awesome” and “empowering.”

[@dimitriwarchief301]

Just any character Dont do that Unless its like after the fact maybr Or you knoe never

[@Xehanort10]

Show don't tell as they say. Let the character's actions speak for them.

[@Amadeus55555]

If there’s ever a character that is constantly called out for being good and a hero, plenty of people start praising whoever kills them first

[@colinbaldwin313]

Damn right. Look at Sarah Connor, for instance. There's a strong woman who starts out seeming like a damsel in distress. Over the course of The Terminator, she has to find the inner strength that she denied she had. James Cameron develops her character with admirable subtlety, trusting the audience to see how she's growing and letting her actions speak louder than words. Shouting out "Look how empowering this portrayal is" is obnoxious and blatantly condescending.

[@pat2rome]

​@colinbaldwin313 Terminator 2 Sarah Connor is one of the most badass characters of any movie. It works so well because instead of her being a mini-Terminator and that being portrayed as empowering, she starts out with that same singular focus the Terminators have but then walks it back and rediscovers her humanity. It's such a great character portrayal.

[@BoomboxHusky]

"No, not that Black Christmas. That one's good!" Ooooooooof

[@handev2604]

Then he was, “No, not THAT Black Christmas. That one’s WEIRD!” 😆

[@dragonheart1236]

@@handev2604 note how he didn't say bad

[@damibo05]

Merry Christmas to James, Chelsea, Lucy, the rest of the Dead Meat crew and to my fellow Dead Meat fans

[@oofersdotexe2557]

Jah

[@TWIXSANITY]

thank you, you aswell

[@tedstyx3734]

I needed this today :)

[@MrSir-hj4kq]

Lmao bro I read James Charles I was like wtf does that have to do with the crew

[@scuttledspatula8837]

@@MrSir-hj4kq merry Christmas sisters haha

[@sonictennyson2201]

The Black Christmases in a nutshell: Black Christmas (1974):The good one Black Christmas (2019):The bad one Black Christmas [2006):EYEBALLS

[@georgeray1906]

So what you're saying is: Black Christmas (1974): The Good Black Christmas (2019): The Bad Black Christmas (2006): The Ugly

[@McRonald2010]

​@@georgeray1906 the good classic, the crazy nasty, the poop garbage

[@devildogwhite]

This feels more like a parody of feminist cinema. Like, if you wanted to mock the idea of a feminist movie, this is what you would do.

[@jacksonpollock7763]

Poe's Law my dude Radical intersectional gender/race/sexuality politics have become such extreme versions of themselves that it's impossible to detect parody from truth. But you're right, the characters, on both sides, are caricatures, probably because the writers in their echo chambers just thought that whamim beating up evil rapist men would be enough to make them money. But then reality, and the true, none-Hollywood-elitist zietgiest, hit them like a tonne of bricks.

[@xThe_Wendigo]

Apparently they didn’t have much time to write the script so my guess is they wrote a very basic blueprint what they wanted the message to convey and didn’t have enough time to make any second of third drafts. This is the result.

[@mathewm6294]

@@xThe_Wendigo I don't know if more time in the oven would've helped here. I mean, if you bake a shit sandwich it's still a shit sandwich, just hot.

[@sreejithsubhash7301]

Test

[@not9326]

@@xThe_Wendigo I agree they only had like 2 months to write the whole thing so I feel like if they had more time they could have gone more in depth with the characters, etc.

[@NostalgiaMan]

Though I love many new slasher films but I agree that the always in your face messages about some social issue gets super tires and very fast.

[@TylerPCoyne]

The original was amazing, the 2006 remake was gross, and this was just “I’ll always know what you did Last Summer: Christmas edition” BTW, hope you have a safe holiday this year!

[@accidiaet]

I see you EVERYWHERE my guy

[@vvexciyv5170]

bro shut up

[@Frozo-nt2ky]

Ok

[@Vala30056]

@@vvexciyv5170 Why? is he not allowed to share his opinion?

[@businessaccount5573]

I think that movies like "Get out" work so well because while the movie was subtle as a sledgehammer, it was also a fantastic movie with plenty of brilliantly acted and directed scenes. It provided a different perspective about a topical issue that was important to hear and was informative as well as entertaining. In short, be more like "get out" and less like "Black christmas."

[@SirBlackReeds]

Eh, Get Out is a huge missed opportunity. Jordan Peele could have made it about rural vs urban with the black characters representing the former and the white characters representing the latter. After all, if there's one thing even the most racist of white and black urbanities can agree on, it's "fuck the country." After all, few movies touch upon the undue disdain cities have for the country. Personally, I say be like neither Get Out nor Black Christmas (2019).

[@trialerrorsharer9398]

@@SirBlackReeds Well the movie wasn't really about that and one issue at a time. Us could be an example of rural vs urban by the urban being more "refined" in a way while the rural are literally eating rabbits in a cave. But I think a great movie that portrays rural vs urban is the movie 'Spell' it's about how a rich black man and his rich black family are sent back to their roots after constantly looking down on other black people for not being "as good as them"

[@h.rtheater8321]

@@trialerrorsharer9398 I love that movie, it was so good!

[@somethingclever8916]

They should have used an all black cast

[@JM06261996]

Get Out was good because of the mystery surrounding what's going on, the acting, and there's some good humour in it as well. The themes serve to compliment the movie rather than the themes BEING the movie.

[@CosmicGutterball]

Kris feels like a tumblr "feminist" who always gets like 100000 notes on her posts even though they're some variation of "deodorant is a tool of the patriarchy" "say it louder for the people in the back" and like, weird-ass Harry Potter headcanons, who you block out of sheer frustration and then years later find out was exposed for VICIOUSLY harrassing trans people.

[@Blablablablabla392]

Very specific and very true, the main characters give off TERF vibes, and if they don’t give off TERF vibes they give off performative activist vibes

[@DToTheB]

I love oddly specific but accurate descriptions

[@arby327]

canon

[@Quesoquantum]

She'd say "Slay the house down babe" unironically

[@pat2rome]

This is so absurdly specific but absolutely accurate.

[@ChengTeoh]

Did anyone else watch James' recap of the originals after seeing this one? Have a safe and Merry X-Mas everyone! Be good to each other and yourself.

[@mariannecontrino6297]

Not yet, but I'm going to when this is over. Edit: Mission Accomplished!!! Happy Holidays Everyone!!!

[@militarygradecontent4390]

Merry Christmas to you too

[@sirenofthesea7802]

Merry Christmas & here's hoping we all have a great New Year! 🌟

[@bloodyraven8201]

I’m just about to do that cause I might have accidentally skipped them when I was watching the previous videos when I found the channel

[@CosmicG777]

Yep.

[@sh1nypantsgaming661]

“From conception to release took only 9 months” Me for some reason: yeah that’s how that fucking works.

[@MrBadAtThisYT]

Lmao nice

[@Xehanort10]

If this film was a baby people would be calling for it to be aborted.

[@xviolaa]

This movie is definitely not empowering, it's downright patronizing

[@neutralman9124]

It's hilariously pandering.

[@demonwolf5250]

Yes

[@dacheeseproductions6005]

Yes

[@hypermonkiesp6432]

100 percent

[@EddieHawkinsII]

Preach!

[@Nogdog945]

I’ll keep saying it, ‘sorority row’ is by far my favorite and best example of an all girl horror done right. If you haven’t seen it, I urge you to give it a watch. I could go on and on about it

[@Trig242]

"way to pressure the rape survivor....." I love James

[@SirBlackReeds]

Eh, that line suggests something not entirely pleasant beneath that coif of hair.

[@brookeparker2488]

fr i hated her always pressuring her and telling to "be a fighter",,, undermines what she went through

[@oren1305]

@@SirBlackReeds How so?

[@julianpradarodriguez7336]

@@oren1305 clearly she doesnt want to do it yet her friend keeps pressuring, forcing her

[@chefcorinth]

@@julianpradarodriguez7336 yeah no shit, which is what James was saying

[@somebvnny]

characters that are possessed, brainwashed, or in some other form not responsible for their actions, shouldn't be treated as "bad guys". those boys at the end straight up burnt to death for nothing. what the hell

[@LS-kk3yu]

No they knew the powers of the goo and they deliberately wanted to use the goo so they brainwashed themselves

[@dweeb1018]

For some reason this makes me dislike feminists.

[@LS-kk3yu]

@@dweeb1018 it should

[@leonardobazail8740]

@@dweeb1018 so you dislike every feminist because of a tone deaf movie? Makes sense

[@connorllewellyn6289]

@@dweeb1018 you've all ready made up your mind and was just Looking for an excuse.

[@nateds7326]

This movie is like "We live in a society" the motion picture. I felt like every scene was watered down to it's absolute simplest black and white form.

[@michaelsinger4638]

The frustrating thing is, the ideas in this film COULD make for a good horror film I think. Campus sexual assault, corrupt authority, etc. Just: A. Be better written and less “beat you over the head with the message like it was a sledgehammer.” And B. Don’t call it “Black Christmas.”

[@berithazleton7973]

I get where they were going with this, but it all ends up falling flat. They speak so highly about consent, but then in the end, burn a bunch of kids who had no idea what they were doing. Those pledges were innocent and their deaths are unfair. Also, Kris is so pushy throughout the entire movie and I hate it. When someone says "hey don't post this, I'm uncomfortable", that's not giving up, that's placing boundaries. Something that is REALLY important for survivors of sexual assault and rape. Kris constantly ignores boundaries and then is forgiven in the end? Really? I like where they were going with the movie, but it could've been done a lot better. I agree that it's super important to have films that talk about it, just maybe not films that are this black and white. There is so much grey area in this issue, and I feel like the movie completely missed that. (Not to mention it basically undermined all male victims, placing men in general as the villian comes off very "we hate men" for me. Anyway, that's my two cents. Merry Christmas!

[@tomemeornottomeme1864]

It felt a bit odd to have the woman screaming "Did you just 'not all men' me?" and forcing a rape victim to perform a song *about rape* in front of the campus be one of the main 'good guys', not going to lie.

[@berithazleton7973]

@@tomemeornottomeme1864 Yeah, that honestly was NOT okay. The fact that they had this character who was weirdly consent negative as a "good" person made me mad.

[@mahfuzurchowdhury2765]

I feel this movie needed a few more drafts so it could be seen as decent.

[@berithazleton7973]

@@mahfuzurchowdhury2765 Oh absolutely. Get some fresh eyes in and just do a read through, see how the new people react.

[@Xehanort10]

@@tomemeornottomeme1864 If they wanted her to be a character people would pull for to survive they failed miserably. Watching this video I wanted her to die.

[@root-beer]

the main reason that i hate this film is because when you google up “Black Christmas” now you’ll get this film instead of the original

[@tynao2029]

small millennial rant, but I remember when Google used to be an actual search engine (1998-2004). my 4th grade "library" teacher made us do a report on each of the early search engines in 1998, like Google, Altavista, AskJeeves, etc. Google was always the best because of how simple, direct, and amazingly powerful it was. It could find all of the deepest, darkest webpages on the internet and sort them perfectly for you. Now, you literally can't even google the word "beanpole" without the entire page turning into an advertisement for a random Russian movie from 2019 that nobody saw and grossed $2 million. But sure, let's just replace the entire noun and existence of actual beanpoles (a pole used to help grow a bean plant, or a skinny person) with a piece of human litter

[@Lameashellcosplay]

@@tynao2029 couldn't you Google "what is a beanpole" ??

[@tynao2029]

@@Lameashellcosplay you could, but the way the search algorithm works on the base level is the least amount of words you use when searching or describing something in the search field, the better, thus "what is a beanpole" inevitably limits your results when compared to just searching "beanpole," and a rival search engine (competition in big tech, a joke) would step in to take Google's market share by offering non-paid for search results (part of the reason AskJeeves failed was from "asking" Jeeves your search in a question format rather than just searching the term)

[@user-ri3oz1hi4k]

The original Black Christmas was already feminist-and they did it the RIGHT way. It had a few themes of feminism that are still relevant today, but it wasn’t the entire story. It got the point across, while remembering this is a horror movie, not a political documentary. Shame that this one didn’t learn from the original.

[@adrianasabode1583]

Precisely

[@maimai.alfonzo]

@@adrianasabode1583 and that what makes the OG GOOD

[@justvibinbro7406]

Very true indeed and i in no way support the 2019 Black Christmas movie but keep in mind that the writer was given not a lot of time to write and shoot the film she was presented with, while we shouldnt have had another remake of Black Christmas because the OG cant be topped, i bet if the writer was given way more time and notice the film wouldnt have turned out to be this bad , what a shame

[@isaacgray2909]

One thing nobody talk about is that the female characters in the original weren't sexualized at all despite taking place in a sorority house, which is surprising given many horror movies at the time were guilty of this.

[@hommie2358]

Oh another kickass feminist movie was I spit on you're grave which I believe is a horror movie

[@annechovy63]

i appreciate the way james talks about this movie. he doesnt completely trash the movie and acknowledges the good. kill counts are my favorite way to watch horror movies without ACTUALLY watching them 😂 he's like the funny friend that keeps you from being scared

[@dczkr]

This movie is literally like a Twitter argument, just less K pop stans and trump and Biden supporters.

[@erikgardner4777]

So worse because we don't have kpop stans throwing in videos that aren't even relevant

[@zhongdatao9904]

@@erikgardner4777 no better

[@isseisato1689]

I like your profile of dog wearing hat

[@gellyung]

If there were kpop stans....its would be worse

[@benryan3453]

I think more accurately it's a twitter argument from the view of a twitter feminist

[@MetaniteHall]

James: Awkwardly opening the door for people. Me: I'm being judged.

[@laszlobencebari8677]

I love how you could handle the film and its topic so gracefully, while remaining critical towards it. Way to go, James!

[@ThatOneGuyInYoutubeComments]

If I were him I would have hated on this so hard.

[@laszlobencebari8677]

@@ThatOneGuyInKZbinComments well, Joel, upon your experiences with Abby, I do understand that. Jokes aside, yes, it would be easy. It is a rushed movie with an ill-articulated narrative and message.

[@acorn_acrom]

@@ThatOneGuyInKZbinComments he DID hate on this movie so hard

[@Anthonycheesman2024]

He was too soft

[@seventeenseventythirteen7465]

@Inland Empire Oh get over it. This is how people that weren't strait white men were portrayed for decades. Sorry that it unfortunately started happening to men for the past few years. But there are still plenty of movies out there made today that treat men better than this movie. As told to those that weren't strait white men who complained about their portrayal, they would get told to just get over it and don't watch it. So get over it.

[@dragonheart1236]

"I wanted to make a movie that wasn't blatantly anti-man" Proceeds to make it a plot point that any man is just a little push away from being a rapist/murderer.

[@djcatz691]

misandry at its finest

[@firetarrasque4667]

In its attempt to be feminist, this movie accidentally reinforces the societal conditions which lead to the creation of college rape culture in the first place. By portraying sexual assault as something loud and obvious done by blatantly evil villains, it accidentally helps to obscure all the less obvious and less overtly harmful forms of sexual assault. People who commit sexual assault don't think of themselves as evil. Most of the time, they don't believe they're comiting sexual assault. This movie is regressive bullshit wrapped in the vague facade of feminism, and I hate it.

[@SirBlackReeds]

Except there is no college rape culture. The shrieking over that this the latest Satanic Panic.

[@justanallosaurus6997]

Feminism is a pretty obsolete movement anyway seeing statistically and legally by most metrics men & boys in the United States have it worse.

[@fuzztsimmers3415]

there is no college rape culture .

[@ButterflyScarlet]

There is a college rape culture, I am begging some of you do at least pretend you did any research instead of just going "well I've never experienced or heard of this so clearly it's not real"

[@delaneycornforth8405]

I’d really love to see any statistics proving men and boys in the US have it worse. Patriarchy and rape culture absolutely have negative effects on men as well, but they are primarily misogynist and absolutely exist.

[@wheel_rr]

I like how instead of shitting on the movie, he gives constructive criticism and support on how to make a movie with a similar theme better

[@AquaBenten]

Something I wish more people would do.

[@rdwals889]

And he also points out the ways that the movie fails to actually have a feminist message. Which is a lot more productive than a lot of the comment section, where lots of people are just using this to attack feminism

[@anthonyzeal6387]

That's just what rational people do tbh

[@urvampbf5741]

Just what i was thinking. And some people in his comment section are still just like "feminism bad"

[@SM-be5dh]

@@urvampbf5741 most of the people are complaining about kris

[@fierygamer582]

What I find more disappointing is that the director said that the message behind the movie was more important than the plot. It’s so annoying when they say the message or being accurate makes up for an awful movie. No it doesn’t. If the characters are jerks, the message is up in your face, and it treats people like they’re stupid then you failed.

[@lilliebobson3146]

Thank you!!! That's whats wrong about PSA entertainment.

[@tomemeornottomeme1864]

And it wasn't even an accurate depiction of rape culture nor was it a good message: the movie made its message hella hypocritical and one-sided.

[@luislatinoman7055]

Director: The movie may not be that great, but it has a very good message. Audience: If the movie ain't good why would I watch it? Director: Fine. Miss out on being educated. Audience: Bitch if I wanted to be educated I'd watch a fucking Ted talk!

[@dieyng]

Absolutely this. This is basically the problem with today's restrictions of creative work, due to forced diversity. Those things, a message of diversity and wokeness is more important than casting the best actors and actresses and tell a good story.

[@thelegolistme3250]

Same with the Robin hood movie iirc, after it bombed the director said it was abt the message. What was the message you ask? Rich people bad, power corrupts people, catholic church bad

[@that.music.addict]

Thank you for calling Ryleigh a survivor instead of a victim. And pointing out that the way this movie handles things is exaggerated.

[@nina__serafina]

Moral of the story: Just watch the original Black Christmas.

[@starshotstream]

Yeah pretty much 😂

[@thomas-stilinski8149]

@@starshotstream I realize this is a completely different genre but pirates of the Caribbean is headed in the same direction

[@Yaboimiles22]

Or at the very least the 2006 one

[@elonmusket5676]

@@thomas-stilinski8149 and Dr who, star wars, terminator, star trek, marvel (soon) and ghostbusters have already gone there

[@jico5147]

Yeah pretty much

[@colbyandbrennen3543]

I wouldn't be surprised if Christmas ended up like this

[@dawnthefoxx3526]

It did for me.. >;3

[@serxnitytale]

@@dawnthefoxx3526 *chokes on water* E-excuse me!?

[@muhammadryanhakim3163]

Its 2020 for gods sake

[@serxnitytale]

@@muhammadryanhakim3163 makes sense

[@TroyKnight12]

It didn’t

[@firetarrasque4667]

See, I actually trust James to tell me if a political horror movie is shitty or good, regardless of politics.

[@SirBlackReeds]

He still tried to make this movie seem better than it is though. Heck, he had the gall to claim its IMDb ranking was political.

[@aidanharley243]

@@SirBlackReeds I mean, it's bad for sure. But top 100 worst? There are EASILY 100 worse movies that deserve that title more. Pretty sure that's why he's saying it's political.

[@vaneflowverse2805]

I think it does deserve it's spot on the bottom 100. It treats its audience like they are brainless. Literally says it's ok to generalize all men, because when a male character has a problem with that, he is treated as if he is in the wrong. The dialogue is just atrocious and lacks amy form of self awareness. If movie sets out to be forceful in its messages, then it gets more scrutiny than, say, Baby Geniuses 2, which at worst is forgettable. Chris Stuckmann break it all down far better than I ever could.

[@bluekirbyrocks]

@@vaneflowverse2805 Basically Described modern feminism in the west

[@richarddickerson8934]

Yea but the thing is I like the bad ones like the FD moves😭😅

[@namecomingsoon9517]

“I wanted to not make a movie that was completely anti-man” So you made almost every man incompetent or a villain

[@pacc9116]

🧠

[@avasmith7530]

i mean at least she went in with that intention lol, even if she did the opposite

[@gcDaydays]

@@avasmith7530 Her actions are contradictory to her "intention". I doubt she was being honest.

[@RedrumZombies]

@@avasmith7530 People can "lie".

[@RedrumZombies]

And kills 4.4x the men.

[@saugesmith2760]

Lines like "That's the founder drawing out your true alpha" really take away any chance of even a movie this bad having some semblance of a message or meaning, especially one that can be taken seriously and isn't completely ham-fisted

[@sourkiwiis]

Yeah.. I might be reaching but it also felt like with that hole plot line, the other men who did bad shit were like, absolved of blame for doing it. Like "It's not his fault! He was x,y,z!" So there's really only one comically bad man, and the rest are totally fine. It completely takes away from the actual horror of abusive men/people, if that makes sense.

[@dragonheart1236]

@@sourkiwiis abusive people

[@sourkiwiis]

@@dragonheart1236 i know, i only singled out men becaue thats kind of the whole point of the movie. in a scenario talking about abuse in general, it would be abusive people, but all the abusers in thsi movie were men. as far as i know

[@TreJohnson03]

I like how she wanted to make a movie that wasn't just anti-men, but thats exactly what the movie was. There was one guy who said not all men are rapists, and the actually kill him off right after.

[@edwinvanderhaeghen2221]

They quite litterally silenced the genuine opposition in favour of dighting the strawman prop villains.

[@jlogan2228]

Right and the morally vindicated performance activist has a guy that she knows and is obviously on good terms with saying not all men are rapists and the only thing she can scream at him is DID YOU JUST NOT ALL MEN ME!?!?! Like theres movies that are annoying with politics, movies that are grating with policitics, then there are movies like this where the politics are so hamfisted and shoved down your throat you actually get pissed off watching it

[@TreJohnson03]

@@jlogan2228 yeah i remember me and my friend got dragged to see this movie in theaters with these 2 other girls and that part in particular pissed us off. I don't understand how she can say she didn't want to make it anti-men. It feels mean spirited that the only "voice of reason" was killed off.

[@yoda1485]

Yeah kind of stupid how they made the only two hood men in the movie brainwashed and dead.

[@blueorange6221]

I find it to be hilarious that blumhouse hires their first female director who then proceed to make an anti-men movie.

[@MDMetal]

This movie's negative reviews weren't all about the feminist message. In fact, most of the negative reviews came from fans of the first 2 Black Christmas movies. This one had absolutely NOTHING to do with the classic or the remake. They just slapped the "Black Christmas" name on this one, hoping to put butts in seats at the theaters.

[@ivagrujic248]

True!

[@root-beer]

agreed

[@codyboothe2310]

So it's basically black Christmas version of Halloween 3

[@anthonykeller1957]

@@codyboothe2310 I'd say no to that regard just cause Halloween was originally going to be a anthology series

[@kjbeast677]

Explained perfectly 👌

[@G0LD0GG09]

My biggest problem with this movie isn’t just the message which can somehow be very muddled despite hammering it into you in almost every line and character interaction. But you can tell a good chunk of the actors/actresses are really trying but they’ve just been given no lines to Chew on they’re just stuck with dialogue that’s message first and character later and that’s the exact opposite of what characters should be like.

[@NGMonocrom]

Yes, a feminist message can work in a horror movie if integrated correctly.... Sadly, it wasn't in this one. To put it mildly.

[@alex_gyt5481]

Well said

[@thedarkkrystal1016]

I think what happened is the speed at which they wanted a script. I think we were looking at a suuuuper rough rough draft/cocktail napkin that needed more eyes to tone down and hone the message and gel the characters. They should not have rushed it. Also this movie really needed to be R rated. Teenage girls will watch them. I was a teen who saw the watered down TV versions of horror and went to the theater to watch them.

[@QueenAmygdala79]

Exactly. I was thrilled he was up-front about how awful this movie is. It sucks that a female director aimed for a feminist message and failed so horribly at it, but it is what it is.

[@sarahdaly9999]

This is an accurate comment to say the least

[@ShimmeringBlossxm]

I don’t agree with a lot of the things that modern feminism is pushing but i agree with this, it can be done correctly because i love a lot of horror movies that can be considered feminist. Good take.

[@mydude7876]

I really hate this movie, cause as a woman I feel that while the director said she didn't want the movie to feel anti-man and support feminism it doesnt feel that way at all. It just paints all the men in the movie as either pushovers or rapists or just pure evil. There's nothing wrong with empowering us as women but at the same time it just tries to hard to push 'toxic masculinity' towards the audience and fails miserably

[@gtisl]

@@mysenpaiyt2715 No

[@mysenpaiyt2715]

@@gtisl sorry I’m single

[@clairelouise3591]

exactly, especially since they say the black goo is bringing out their inner 'alpha', they arent even getting possessed by something. Its just saying 'hey all men are capable deep down of rape and murder' and then they all get burnt alive at the end!

[@salemdgs2705]

@@clairelouise3591 everyone is capable though, not just men.

[@salemdgs2705]

@@clairelouise3591 I know you were saying that was what the movie is saying though so I'm not coming at you, just figured I'd add my own little bit in there as well 😅

[@H34rtz4_k1tty]

I love how James literally takes 4 minutes and 32 seconds to criticise the movie then we finally go to the kill count and the even stranger thing is that he is still so loveable for doing it

[@NashTheBlade]

All of the major problems with this damn movie: 1) All of the feminist messages are downright sensationalist...Possibly specious 2) The supernatural BS did not need to be there as it hurt the message even more 3) The hipster was the only male allowed to live 4) Fuck you Kris! 5) Hindered the characters even more by making them out to be as one note as the tropes in older slasher flicks One thing I thought could save the movie a little bit was....What if the Hipster was the real bad guy in all of this?

[@blackbirdfilms1966]

Same and I like to add that bit where the guys were brainwashed yet continued fighting for some reason and the girls killed them even though they were freed from the goo.

[@NashTheBlade]

@@blackbirdfilms1966 I think that was already covered in bullet point 3...if you read more into it

[@otyugsdisplacerbeasts7943]

I think Landon is less of a hipster and more of a straight up Simp.

[@michaelprice7315]

To be fair, regarding point number 3, he was poc, so he had plot armor.

[@Astrovite]

Ah the upper class feminist, my favorite character archetype.

[@mecaka9077]

FOR THE RECORD: As a survivor, no victim should ever feel pressured to come forward and expose their assault. It is an incredibly personal decision that has to be made, and there is never a wrong reason to come forward or to not come forward with charges. Even if they end up hurting someone else, that is ON THEM as assaulters and not on you as a former victim. I just wanted that to be here for anyone who needed to see it. I wish this movie had explored Riley's guilt over not reporting and Kris' pushing of her being for the wrong reasons. Even if it helps someone else, you cannot do it if it will cause you more harm. You have to keep yourself safe first.

[@comedicsociopathy]

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@quarantinedcosmonaut4082]

Agreed. I would never pressure my friends or any survivor to come forward. The best thing you can do is be there for them. ♥️

[@Spacecorgi]

❤️

[@annegrey3780]

thank you for this! I'm queer (asexual-spectrum) and when I tried coming forward about a corrective assault back in the day I was diagnosed as mentally ill for not wanting it, as asexuality was considered a mental illness back then. And it's so hard now when people are like "why didn't you come forward" "It's your fault if they hurt other people" "it was your responsibility to come forward" but they don't know what it was like...when I tried I was told I was crazy for not wanting it so much I believed that for years, and even when I did begin to come back to my senses and see more clearly there was that I wasn't out to consider, their was re-uprooting the life I'd built since to go through it all again, there was how other people felt about asexuality and whether I had been a "tease", there was the fact that one of my assaulters was a woman (which is just a whole other level of hell. When everything for women fleeing violence assumes you're fleeing a man and that women are "safe", same sex violence is just hellish, it's basically they can follow you everywhere and if you say anything you get a lecture on how violence between women is too rare to be concerned about and isn't the same as violence between men and women...cool, that doesn't help me) and it just feels like it's a lot of quilting and shaming from people who have no idea what it was like and who didn't care to make anything easier back when it could have made a difference.

[@maggieparker3277]

As a former victim of sexual assault as well, I agree with this. Personally- I wish more people had the strength to step up to the plate to put their abuser away. But in the same breath, I would like to say that even though I put my abuser in jail almost six years ago now... I am still extremely tired. To get up and testify against someone that has hurt you like that is both rewarding and the hardest thing you feel like you might do in your life. Do what is best for you. Stay safe.

[@Echo-kl3rp]

James can literally talk about any controversial issue and come off as respectful and understanding, we need more people like James, BE LIKE JAMES

[@xsupervegetax6181]

Make me

[@soulbound2]

Agreed

[@williamsummerson1204]

That's facts

[@deprimada3560]

That's because he is respectful.

[@michelleabbs5686]

22:00 that guy in the background getting knocked out is hilarious to me for some reason.

[@TakumiTheFAUSTScientist]

James: "So i guess you can't say C**t without an Age-Restriction" KZbin: *Hold My Beer*

[@CeeWorld69]

Well he said dick too so yeah lol

[@spideyfan1990]

I honestly thought it was gonna be a different c**t word

[@USSCYT]

@@spideyfan1990 Same :(

[@AGoo-fc5qx]

Even though James feels how he feels about a movie he ALWAYS finds something positive to say about it. Respect for days, big fan.

[@BobOnSteam]

What whitening strips does he use

[@bernardomenin171]

Except that one I Always Know what you did last summer

[@mindlessgroan8286]

Well except thankskilling and the first Jack frost the killer snowman

[@aidanmansfield9588]

@Cody i watched it and the main characters are literally feminists

[@supahstrike77]

@Cody or, you know, he could just have his own opinion and doesn't necessarily have to conform preconceived notions.

[@coeusrose4168]

"I didn't want to make a movie that was just anti-men" *proceeds to make all men evil*

[@loganicfilms1388]

Only the white ones. that one black guy was cool.

[@coolbeans1coolbeans187]

@@loganicfilms1388 even worse.

[@ye5736]

@@loganicfilms1388 that makes it worse😂

[@tomemeornottomeme1864]

@@loganicfilms1388 Yay, tokenism!

[@Xehanort10]

She portrayed all the sorority girls horribly too. Every other girl there came off like they'd been brainwashed by Kris's man hating rants.

[@brodypenn]

You know what would’ve been cool. If one of the characters was like “I just these special Christmas lights that you can switch from red or green” and they string them in the hallways and turn them green and then in one scene a character is walking in the hallway and there’s a bunch of tension-filled violin music then the lights turn red and there’s a red undertone in the shot and the music does a big insidious style violin swell as the character turns around and sees the hooded figure in the hallway behind her.

[@adriiiaannn___]

When that one girl said “did you just not all men me” was when I wanted a characters fate sealed but she didn’t even die

[@ketamineheadyoda2248]

@Romanogers4ever women like these were the first to go.

[@SavouryGalette]

Yeah, not all men are rapists. Nathan very correctly points this out and says that he gets lumped into the bad ones just because he's a guy. And he's not even wrong, yet he _still_ gets kicked out.

[@Enbi_bitch2]

If I was in the movie I would've killed her after she said that Even if I'm not controlled by black magi

[@onnapnewo]

He gets butthurt that he was lumped in with rapists and called a rapist when literally nobody called him that.

[@Deefrm56]

This movie makes evil bong look like a masterpiece

[@MrMars-sx3db]

What do you mean? Evil Bong is a masterpiece

[@AlexPerez-tv1zg]

PLEASEEE 💀💀

[@overlordb1989]

Bold to assume Evil Bong isn't a masterpiece.

[@GhostRider-hy9zt]

😂

[@Emu_Otori_Fan]

it does

[@kylepatrickhall1426]

A movie where everyone rooted for every main character to be killed

[@ronburgundy244]

I mean Riley wasn't bad.

[@imissyou523]

Agreed

[@sammygecko_]

Riley wasn’t bad. I mean you can feel her (very real) struggle. She was the only (non-token) character that didn’t feel like a surface level caricature. And some of the other sisters. She just fell into the chaos by association. Or that’s how it felt

[@kohlcooke8789]

Riley wasn't bad, kris was the bad one

[@mightybitchy]

@@kohlcooke8789 I would’ve cheered at Kris’s death 😅

[@35november]

Working at a college, I see a lot of Kris's. It is really in your best interest to avoid any interaction with them at all cost... because you know, making people live in fear of losing their jobs for their race or gender is what "heroes" do.

[@James-mx1pr]

Anyone else forget this was a Christmas movie?

[@DementedDoritoOfdoom]

This was supposed to be a movie?

[@sanest-luchino-fan]

Me

[@generalkinobi6215]

A nightmare before Christmas was more scary than this. 😂

[@fl8281]

@@generalkinobi6215 i like when people hates something so much they're going to compare it with anything from things from the past like movie, music or any kind of entertainment from the past to something so gross like trash or literal shit just to show how much their hatred on the things they're hating and wish them all to never existed in any kind of form. I've seen this stuff have been sayed by everyone including me on everywhere but i never get it why we all do that.

[@someweirdo4577]

@@DementedDoritoOfdoom lol

[@Flowerfairyy27]

Kris makes me wanna pack my bags and move far, far away from her and her negative, angry towards the world way of thinking. She's like that friend that sucks the life out of you and is just so boring and unfunny. She's like a walking Twitter app.

[@nothingmarket5242]

for real

[@misscaution704]

Thank you! Like seriously I never felt so annoyed by a character in my life.

[@IronheadEli723]

I agree, holding past people to present standards is asinine, that’s like taking scientific awards away from the guy who helped discover DNA because of his social beliefs OH WAIT!

[@gowiththeflow363]

I swear a feminist movie could be SO good even if they used all the concepts and ideas presented here even a character with all the traits as Kris could be in some way enjoyable with better writing.

[@MungoBootyGoon]

@@IronheadEli723 You using asinine in that context is asinine. Smartass. And quit making false equivalencies.

[@gabrielm5724]

it's not that movies with a feminist angles are bad, there are plenty of movies out there that are really good and you could argue they have feminist undertones. However, taking a movie and making it be 'remake but feminist' just comes out as completely tacky, cringy and tasteless

[@jordanhicks5131]

Like the Ghostbusters remake with all female cast. That was horrible.

[@root-beer]

Just Before Dawn is a fantastic feminist slasher film

[@MrNegativecreep07]

Annihilation was a brilliant film with an almost all female cast, and was liked by critics and the public because it didn't try and beat you over the head with its message

[@depresseddandy438]

Alien is one of the best honestly, in 1979

[@neutralman9124]

Ginger Snaps is a great example of a fantastic feminist horror film.

[@Suigeneris999]

So kris peer pressured a rape victim after she said “no” multiple times? It honestly annoys me that she gets to live while the other girls died. I understand that she’s supposed to be a women’s right activist but holy hell she takes it an extreme.

[@justmanic9673]

At least the first Black Christmas remake didn't treat women like children.

[@whytho8485]

I'm intrigued. I'm trying to learn more about where this movie went wrong which is many places, but what do you mwan the first one didn't treat them like kids?

[@justmanic9673]

@@whytho8485 I mean because most of us women are mature enough to know not all men are bad. Also we don't need to be pandered to about social issues, we are capable of knowing.

[@bendyamin86]

3rd wave feminists ARE CHILDREN!

[@-young_jah-9981]

@@bendyamin86 very much true

[@justmanic9673]

@@bendyamin86 No arguments there, Ben.

[@jessicaadkison9675]

I have never jumped on a Kill Count so quickly. Merry Christmas James, Chels, and the rest of the Dead Meat fam and fans!

[@alexwilkinson1516]

merry christmas to you too

[@Santos666.]

How is dis not like by every one

[@bnbbucko3077]

Ay you to bro

[@nicolebellwoar4219]

I don’t think they should be allowed to call this movie black Christmas without Billy, he’s the iconic killer of the film

[@PowerPackers90]

Like how hard would it of been to call the school's founder first name Billy?

[@xPanda25]

@@PowerPackers90 - Well why even call it a Black Christmas if it shares basically nothing with the original? Should've just made it a stand-alone movie, instead the only thing they used the title for was a) so they could throw in references to remind you it's supposed to be a black Christmas remake even though nothing else about the film is and b) greedily using the classic title for more views and making yet another shitty remake

[@MackNJacishopper]

@@PowerPackers90 At least reference him as William somewhere.

[@SlasherHorrorMovies1]

@@xPanda25 the 2006 film was a way better remake then the 2019 film

[@ViewerOnline101]

know. That's like having a Halloween movie without Michael Myers. Oh, wait, they did that too, and it also sucked, but as much as this.

[@anthonyibarra8697]

18:37 That legit made me say "WHAT?" out loud when I heard that. I know this movie goes for a more supernatural edge, but it's just... WHAT?

[@5pixg]

I can’t bro😭. Drawing out your true alpha is a fucking insane line

[@wynforthewin]

You nailed a lot of the issues I had with this movie including the conversation between class and sexism being ignored as well as the dynamic between survivorship and performative activism usually harming the survivors.

[@SomethingSomethingg]

Fun fact: Bob Clark and Olivia Hussey both admitted that the abortion subplot in the original was never meant to be a political conversation but rather something juicy to fill up time in between kills that would keep the audience interested.

[@deaditeera]

Ha! What?

[@dimitriwarchief301]

“Interested” WHAT THE FUCK DO THEY THINK IS INTERESTING?!?

[@thesassyb8211]

@@dimitriwarchief301 this came out a year after roe vs wade....so yes it was still an interesting and political to add as a subplot and food for some thoughts.

[@purplecoffinman8510]

@@dimitriwarchief301 well it's certainly very fucking interesting especially considering when the movie was made lol

[@xyzharrishuang]

Some happy accidents make a film better just like many iconic moments were "wing it" moment instead of scripted

[@Kaijutopia]

"I didn't know Dr. Doom was in Black Christmas!" was my first thought after seeing the thumbnail.

[@imdepressed3220]

HOLY SHIT WE BE THINKING THE SAME SHIT.

[@ethicethex7293]

Same

[@kingsman5121]

He does look like doc doom what the hell

[@andregarza5224]

It does look like Doctor Doom lol

[@axelnilsson5124]

Call the fantastic 4 (the one with Chris Evans and Jessica Alba not the god awful 2015 remade ones)

[@Jtran224]

Imagine telling a victim that their attackers only did it because of some supernatural goo

[@zander1195]

Small note: the “menorah” used in the fight scene is a hannukiah, a candleholder specifically used during Hanukkah. While a menorah only has seven holes for candles, a hannukiah has nine.

[@Tj_Druid]

huh, İ learned something today :']

[@X-EN7171]

Thx

[@DeadMeat]

Didn't know that - thanks!

[@rukoreiko]

@@DeadMeat Fun Fact: A body decomposes four times faster in water than on land.

[@famassniperhandgun]

. 💬 ☝️🤓

[@gavingwinn4277]

“Did you just ‘not all men’ me?” 🗿 The dialogue of this movie. 😂🤦🏻‍♂️

[@dimitriwarchief301]

Yeah jusg oof

[@Ethan_Tew]

@horrorflickguy kris is annoying

[@illusionluvsyou]

I love how James doesn’t even try to sugarcoat how bad movies are.😂 Edit: now if only I could get this many likes as I do subscribers..😎

[@frytmare615]

Ya lol

[@azarelxx3]

honestly I've never seen or heard of this film until this video but I'm actually really really surprised blumhouse fucked this one they rarely have a film that is truly bad either they're good or just decent but it was to be expected any film this rushed is bound to be awful

[@xxxxxxxx6592]

He had to sugarcoat this one because feminist would've canceled him lmfaoooo

[@mikailthomas1466]

Because it's been done to death( no pun intended).

[@tonypeppermint5329]

He's the man for it.

[@MrCreeperson1st]

This movie was written by college students that think this is what happens in real life but all they did was stay in their dorm till graduation.

[@babyrodent]

Honestly, as someone who is a feminist, the way that this film presented the messages... it rubbed me the wrong way. It did have good intentions, but the execution missed the mark and missed hard. I think an example is regarding Kris- her horrible treatment towards Riley, as in pushing her into doing stuff that she's clearly uncomfortable with doing and then posting the video without consent (and then acting like Riley was in the wrong even though she has perfectly valid reasons to be upset!), should have been grounds for something more nuanced. I dunno, maybe that's what I'm thinking.

[@DeadMeat]

Agreed!

[@celdrix8382]

@@sebastianh1441 This is why they rarely reply to comments.

[@557deadpool]

The problem is too many "feminists" hold these same views

[@sportsnerd100]

@@557deadpool its basically just a movie written by far left twitter

[@NoblesNobule]

@@sebastianh1441 Just send an email to their request thing

[@Mxrley]

"I'm a doctor." "HE'S A DOCTOR."

[@TylerPCoyne]

He’s not wrong

[@BurningRubber454]

I’m sorry what are you again

[@jwc-lw3sp]

There’s only one true doctor

[@titanjakob1056]

“Ey what’s up doc”

[@ceverett68]

I really dislike the ending of this movie. they literally just found out some of those guys are innocent. but let them burn anyway. because I guess they're still guys so guilty by association? I guess? hell it just doesn't make sense to let them burn also but yeah whatever

[@johnpitt3216]

@Nosmo King it wasn't cause he cheated though. There were plenty of other reasons why she chose him to die. Also "he was drugged it's not his fault", but not "she was drugged so its not her fault"? Nice.

[@beno1129]

@Nosmo King I don't think you should downvote the video because of the film it's covering, unless James agreed with the film, which he didn't for the most part.

[@empty3696]

@Nosmo King That’s just part of it. He was a shitty boyfriend. Part of the horror of the movie’s ending is the conflict between the catharsis the protag felt from seeing one source of her pain disappearing and the horror the viewer feels from seeing someone burned alive as people celebrate

[@zenobianone]

@Nosmo King I think you should give Midsommar a rewatch if you thought Dani was just getting petty revenge on Christian for cheating on her. You’re interpreting that film way too literally. It’s about grief, release, and moving on from a toxic relationship.

[@guntherdoesaliltrolling5757]

@Nosmo King So you're telling me you downvoted Jame's review, because you disliked the content of the movie his reviewing? Now that's a big-brain play.

[@Mr.nostal]

14:53 "womp womp " caught offguard 💀

[@thebestame3582]

Ironically, and maybe I'm wrong, but doesn't the ending fit into what Nate was saying in his "Not All Men" argument? I have a feeling it wasn't intentional but they killed all of the non rapist dudes that were brain washed along with the rapists ones. Which is what Nate was saying about lumping good dudes with rapists. Idk, that's what I got from it but I doubt the movie thought that far ahead Edit: I just wanted to add that I do not believe I'm right its just an interesting thing I noticed that may or may not be intentional from the movie. So the movie either tried to execute this theme but just never did like its other themes or the movie made a theme and then shot itself in the foot at the end. So idk

[@matthiaspridgeon9420]

Exactly. This was a massive issue for me when watching this movie

[@derekmensch3601]

If they didn't make them murdering everyone a triumphant moment. I could see that. And it does make sense honestly. But as you already stated. That wasn't the movies intention

[@matthiaspridgeon9420]

@@derekmensch3601 yeah. I really think this could have been something good and thought provoking about not all men bad, but then it was just like haha that’s a good thing kill em all.

[@derekmensch3601]

@@matthiaspridgeon9420 like the movie had a lot of ideas that could have been fantastic. But never went through with any single thought thread

[@harmonlanager2670]

@Cody Did.... did you just say feminists caused the rise of the Third Reich? I’m pretty sure Germany’s collapse was cause of WWI, not women wanting rights

[@cheekbonestrenchcoat]

If you want to make a point about toxic masculinity and how it can affect people having a literal "toxin" kinda undermines the point because instead of it being that those men are responsible for their own actions and chose to be douches it becomes them being brainwashed (Landon is clearly a decent guy but even he under the goo is a douche and he has no control over that whereas actual toxic masculinity he could reject) Also Kris got validated at the end when she had done some real dodgy stuff. James was spot on with everything he said. It has so many directions it should have gone and it's a shame it never went any of them

[@mitch_hall237]

Its kind of both, either it implies no men are truely responsible, or all men are rapists with a small barrier than can easily be overcome holding them back. Either way it completely undermines that actual issue.

[@NicholasJScott]

I like how this movie also doesn't address the fact females can be rapist too, like are we meant to instantly hear rapist and think of some 50 year old with a mustache that he twirls while saying anti women shit? Like in a selected few cases the women is the abuser of the husband and when Husband tries to claim thats the case the Women goes "no u are the abuser!" And since she has two x chromosomes everyone instantly believes her and praises her as a hero. And the man is either sent to jail or fired from his career..saying every rapist is a man is like saying Every Nazi was German or Every German hates Jewish people! Liberally both genders can be rapist just its more common in men! DOESN'T mean females are pure angels who could never do anything wrong

[@cheekbonestrenchcoat]

@@NicholasJScott oh don't even get me started on any narrative that links rapist to men like that! It could have addressed female abusers if anyone had been allowed to talk but Kris because you know she would have just shouted them down if they tried to suggest it. Honestly, there was so much potential to actually address real issues and then its wasted with a paranormal plot device and a validated abuser (ye, Kris is an abuser. She is specifically told by the other girl that she doesn't want to a) perform on stage and b) doesn't want that clip online but both times bullies her into doing so because of "empowernent". No, she is an abuse victim and you don't get to force and guilt trip her into doing stuff that she is uncomfortable with, even if she wasn't an abuse victim you don't but the fact she is makes it worse)

[@Quandry1]

@@cheekbonestrenchcoat Kris actually does shout the one dude down when he mentions that women can do bad things too and not all men should be lumped together by her Or this story in general but both her and this movie just hamfistedly continues on it's way of doing exactly that with little subtlety or subtext about it.

[@cheekbonestrenchcoat]

@@Quandry1 does she? It's such an awkward scene and makes her so unlikable I must have missed that bit. She's just shouting so mucj

[@chesiregirl]

I remember watching A Christmas Story as a kid, and when Ralphie says he got hit with an icicle, and his mother says "those icicles ahve been known to kill people!" My dad would always remark on how stupid the character must be to think that. Turns out icicles DO kill people, dad.

[@tcrpgfan]

It's something that's made of water. which has weight. So even if the pointy bit of an icicle didn't completely land, you'd have to deal with blunt force impact of the icicle itself.

[@yortlebluzzgubbly3871]

Extra meta considering Christmas Story and the OG Black Christmas had the same director.

[@christopherauzenne5023]

@@yortlebluzzgubbly3871 extra extra meta since the 2006 remake actually used that as a kill