Blades of Chaos Plot Hole (God of War Lore)

[@KaptainKuba]

Santa Monics Confirms Blades Theory: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eKSZi5Vmmp6ibtk

[@idk_planets2993]

Ight g

[@Veroine]

Nice

[@speed9100]

Maybe This could be Kratos from a Different Timeline

[@leerobindelacruz7397]

I think blade of chaos and athena is still two different blades but maybe the chaos and exile is just the same after kratos fell into the river and loss all the power of the his blade.Athena just give him his old blade

[@cmharris2281997]

Athena could have cursed him after finding out he still lived that they would forever follow him. Or there has always been this lingering curse that no matter where he roamed he could never be free of them. With the Blades of Exile gone and him trying to roam it freed him up for them to reappear. It was stated in some novel that he had them and no matter where he tried to get rid of them, that they always returned to him no matter what. They were cursed as a reminder of what he had done

[@juliusquizeo3150]

Kinda poetic how he kills his family the first time he wields the blades and now the second is to save the only family he has left.

[@teddestin2194]

Poetic.

[@nescapre1640]

you blew my mind i just notice that now

[@josephfigues4202]

And how one God forced the blades to him and tricked him to kill his family while another God convinced/pleaded him to wield it to save his only family.

[@JordonPatrickMears11211988]

And yet he will have to kill his own family once again when loki goes full psycho

[@alastor8091]

@@JordonPatrickMears11211988 he'll find a way. The hands of death could not hold him, the Sisters of Fate could stop him. Vengeance drove his actions, but the greatest warriors fight to protect what they love.

[@LPeck1985]

It was said, that the Blades of Chaos would always be with him no matter what. He tried, and tried again to cast them away. Yet the blades always found its way to him. A curse to bare forever. At this point he accepted that fate, and kept them hidden under the floorboards of his house in Midgard. He couldn't cast them away, ever, yet he could hide them close by without seeing them and being constantly reminded of them.

[@blakeacross1895]

He does have a lime in the God of War Ragnarok where Atreus asks why doesn't just throw them away. Kratos' answer is "I tries it once. That came back." I took it to mean he had to put then one to go to hel. I think your point makes more sense.

[@justaguywatchingvids6924]

@@blakeacross1895 also u can refer to the comics "god of war: fallen god" which shows kratos after the events of gow 3

[@LPeck1985]

@darukineo Very enlightening. You have yourself a lovely weekend.

[@justaguywatchingvids6924]

@Daruki Neo Yes

[@berkdayankler1138]

This is also explained in a GoW comic where he throws the blades of chaos with his goldy strenght but they come back again and again.

[@jaysontrivino4498]

The clay pot in tyr's temple shows kratos holding the blades of exile though.

[@sarugbyfan8134]

Very interesting 🧐

[@Naxatthedoor]

Just a reference to the previous game chronology speaking

[@andyromero7837]

He’s standing upon a fallen Greece so it would make sense that it’s the blades of exile since god of war 3 is when Greece gets destroyed

[@tempestflare4339]

Yes but he loses the blades of Exile at the end of the game the blades of chaos were cursed to always be bound to him meaning they would show up wherever he was so you might as well at least have them on hand if he needed them

[@yougotkained]

@@Naxatthedoor So they were so detailed in putting a reference but 'mistakenly' made a plot hole with giving him the blades of chaos? There's no chance, there's an explanation, they know what they're doing.

[@Victor_Nova_56]

I heard at one point the answer was that he was cursed and still attached to the Blades of Choas, so whenever he tried to discard or get rid of them, they would reappear with him the next day. So he could've left the Blade of Exile behind, but the BoC still followed him, haunting him.

[@ynwisayiah954]

Kratos said that in Ragnarök

[@AveryTomfoolerySpecialist3682]

@@ynwisayiah954 Following up your claim, there's a comic book that exists showing the journey that kratos took through egypt, the land of the pharaohs, taking place in between GoW 3 and 4, where the blades of chaos constantly appear at kratos' nonexistent bedside when he sleeps, and he eventually picks them up again and moves on.

[@kurokiji4729]

Is actually shown in the official comic

[@imtotallyaperson]

@@AveryTomfoolerySpecialist3682 i mean if he saw that happen in the comic book why wouldn’t he say that in ragnarok

[@lark23]

@@imtotallyaperson it is, there is a line that kratos says that he tried to throw them away and that they came back

[@darthnihilus3447]

There's a comic that explains why he has the Blades of Chaos. It also tells a bit about what he did between killing Zues and meeting Faye

[@ferhatveenstra2532]

What is the name of it?

[@darthnihilus3447]

@@ferhatveenstra2532 I believe it's called Fallen God

[@madisonvorpahl7311]

That was made after this video so he didn't know that

[@JesusProtects]

Is not a comic. Is called damage control. "We screwed up this part of the lore, do we just ignore it or what? -nah, give it to the marketing department, they will find a way to make it work. -We could find someone to make a comic book or a short novel for us explaining all the plot holes, that way we can change anything we want and still call it canon. As long as consumers give us money lore means nothing after all. Money money." The end.

[@darthnihilus3447]

@@JesusProtects that's how prequels work, dude. The game opened up questions and the comics answered some of them

[@ThisIsFlight23]

It’s rather simple really: after killing Zeus and committing suicide Kratos could be cursed by Athena to forever carry the blades of chaos. These blades were to forever be a reminder of his past. Btw - wasn’t it in the books already? There was a fragment about him being unable to throw the blades away since they always returned

[@officaltwoface]

Yea I thought this too she could’ve cursed him to forever have the blades to remind him of his past

[@popsteferson1881]

yeah and kinda reverts back to its Original appearance like what happened in GoW 2 after Zeus killed Kratos

[@adamgroh6280]

@poke pivot probably just reusing the blade model they already had in the game file, rather than make new ones?

[@Cherrypopissweet]

@@adamgroh6280 I think that's the best explanation.

[@sckybox917]

@poke pivot i think it was because in helheim , it doesn't just show past events as it happened but in shows them from the memory of whoever it is trying to torture. And maybe kratos thought he had the blades , or maybe helheim is pulling a trick on him , or something like that

[@OverLord115]

My theory: the blades of chaos appears in the Helheim vision because they didn't wanted to model the blades of Exile.

[@danielcardenas8520]

It just makes sense. Why would they go out of their way to design a new (or rather old) set of blades that is not going to be shown as clearly and is not going to last more than 5 seconds on screen? I believe visuals can have a few flaws in continuity as long as the written story does not.

[@nightingale1202]

Yeah and he didn't had the golden fleece when he was punching zeus but here it show him holding boc and the golden fleece

[@ThatGuyjontover]

True but a cheap way of looking at it is this, helheim is meant to torture the individual and as we can see he already doesn't like the blade's forcing them to appear is like adding salt to a wound

[@penny7551]

yeah, that is what I was thinking too.

[@emc32]

Your forgot helheim torture living creature who enter helheim mentaly. So the baldes was not exile but chaos.

[@GodlyODB]

I’m pretty sure the books said that the blades were always in his possession and he can never be rid of them.

[@prajwal7250]

Exactly, It's a curse he cannot destroy them nor he can get rid of them, he'll be binded to those chains for the rest of his life.

[@ghoul7206]

I like this. Ill burn this info in my brain

[@gusgus0070]

I remember something somewhere saying that no matter where Kratos left the blades and how far he trekked, the blades would always appear beside him

[@natedavis2944]

Now that ragnarok is here he says in the game that he tried throwing the blades away but they always found they’re way back. The other blades weren’t bonded to him like the chaos ones were. So this comment is spot on

[@merikmalhads1676]

I feel like he cast aside Athena's blades after he figured out that she was manipulating him the whole time. Also the blades of chaos in that scene have two possible explanations. The first one is more of a developer issue that modeling a completely new asset just for the misty outline of weapons in a certain scene. The second one is that Helheim is not revealing the past but playing on Kratos's personal recollection in which he sees the blades of chaos as the symbol of fury he left that day. Those blades mean far more to him personally so in his own memory a small detail like that could easily have been swapped and Helheim created a hybridized memory to torment Kratos more from that

[@NemoEtNihil]

This never bugged me, since I always thought of Kratos' various blade sets as the Blades of Chaos anyway, just different aspects of them. It'd be interesting if forthcoming games provide a clear in-lore explanation as to why he has the Blades of Chaos again, but unless that happens, I just take it as a minor retcon.

[@johnsugrue4155]

In the canon novels that are set after god of war 3 its confirmed the last curse of the god's was that he could never rid himself of his original blades of chaos whenever he threw them away or anything they would always appear next to him the next day a constant reminder of his failure

[@arthurleplae6930]

if we just ignore that one line in the novel than it would be the perfect explanation. The blades were never switched, they merely transformed.

[@shathaan1763]

@@arthurleplae6930 did the novel came out after how 4?

[@aaronsmith7143]

​@@arthurleplae6930 The blades of chaos are no the blades of athena/exile. They are completely different. Ares took the blades of chaos away. Athena gave him the blades of Athena then transformed them into the blades of exile. He has the blades now because he was cursed by Athena to never rid himself of the blades of chaos. They will follow him forever. The reason they show up in hel is because the blades of chaos are what he killed his family with. The image of them is used to maximize the torture of what he has done in his past.

[@ra-eesdaniels35]

"no magic in all the nine realms can create a blaze" Kratos : makes a fire with his blades to make 'n ship fly.

[@JessicaGarcia-xf9wr]

I like how she tryna make it sounds so scary but kratos already been to hell and back! And a different one too lol

[@yelloworder5073]

The blade are from the another world

[@RazorKaid]

The blades are not from the nine realms

[@carlosalcazar1192]

Fires he started with the blades lmao that was the point

[@bengsynthmusic]

This alone shows that Freya knows not about his Greek world.

[@matt18yr]

Helhime shows you images to torture you so he has the blades of chaos in the illusion as they are a symbol of his suffering

[@Zoki4444]

Good theory, but how he has the actual blades is still a mystery. Hopefully will be explained in Ragnarok or a midquel.

[@paleoleft]

@@Zoki4444 hes cursed to always have them return to him

[@operationgizmo7523]

@@paleoleft bro fr people done pay attention, he was cursed to always have the blades. He tried throwing it off the cliff but since he was cursed to always have the blades as a constant reminder of his past.

[@typicalsoup]

Imagine Ragnarok starts off showing how Kratos got to midguard

[@GDraugr]

I’d love to see kratos’s classic goatee again!

[@CoolBritishGuy647]

I can see that but I think the opening scene starts with a kratos Thor boss battle

[@harolddexter4722]

@Can Kaya You do not have to go through Egypt from Greece to get to Midgard. They're in two different directions. Even though close to greece Egypt is south/southeast and Midgard being North. And also he would have had to cross the Mediterranean or walk around through the middle east to reach Egypt.

[@fatetaker4507]

@Can Kaya Pls no....

[@bengsynthmusic]

@Can Kaya I agree. Like in Star Wars, there are all these small comic books that tell stories that happened between the big films. I think it should be its own game how he moved to Scandinavia.

[@missingpassword6296]

The blades of chaos are seared to his soul, in the cutscene where Kratos begs for saving it says they are burned never to be removed from him, the reason he "doesn't" have them in his fight with ares is because it was an illusion as the blades reflect his very soul but still have a physicality presence which can be used and hidden away, hence why they are always engulfed in fire when he's brain boiling mad

[@allhui5828]

Man, yours is the best teory iv'e seen from god of war

[@CopiousStarch]

either that or they just didn't bother importing the models for the Blades Of Exile

[@timeportal2859]

@@CopiousStarch Maybe Blades of Athena and Exile never existed. Just Blades of Chaos make it's disguise.

[@MK-fz6il]

Also, in God of war 3 when Kratos beat Zeus to death, he wasn't wearing the golden fleece, but the vision in Helheim shows it on his arm

[@Mert-A-L]

Kratos was hallucinating ever since God Of War 1 and thought he had new weapons, but it was the Blades Of Chaos all along.

[@monsterwithin666]

What would have caused him to hallucinate all that

[@thadm960]

@@monsterwithin666 dmt

[@monsterwithin666]

What is dmt

[@mustafaahmed8032]

@@monsterwithin666 his family due to killing them he could start to hallucinate

[@sycoprime2.055]

@@monsterwithin666 because he used the blades of chaos to kill his family so imagining new weapons would benefit this psychopath😂

[@thunderpotatoes8250]

You’re the BEST god of war content creator I swear bro

[@gonhunter3994]

With Jon & GBG & DaFookas

[@KaptainKuba]

Thanks man, means a lot

[@ariya2940]

@@gonhunter3994 I HATE gbg

[@McgMC3773]

Ong🤧

[@TheBlackSpartan103]

@@ariya2940 hes really good at the games but he just makes it cringey

[@atanaschristov2818]

Yeah there is a big hole, but I think Santa Monica did the right think, when they chose the Blades of chaos for God of war 4.(Bro, he killed his family with these blades...that was so emotional scene).

[@KaptainKuba]

Yeah thats what I said, the blades of chaos carry a lot more emotional weight

[@noblesseoblige319]

It's not a plot hole exactly. The novel explains it entirely. The gods cursed Kratos to never be able to escape the blades, they will always follow him.

[@KaptainKuba]

@@noblesseoblige319 yeah you're not getting it, if the gods cursed the blades of chaos to alway follow him, why didn't they follow him during the events of gow 2 or gow 3?

[@noblesseoblige319]

@@KaptainKuba who says they didn't? We have no idea how long he can get away from them. If it isn't like them literally following him and more like "random events happen to ensure they always find their way to him", then they could have been making their journey towards him the entire time.

[@KaptainKuba]

@@noblesseoblige319 I know, but that hasn't been confirmed yet

[@ygorschuma3059]

I remember reading somewhere the Blades of Chaos being bound to Kratos, no matter how much he tried, he could never get rid of it, he arrived ashore in Midgard, and the Blades were beside him, and although he tried to throw them in the ocean, it would simply return to him.

[@dondeka2086]

I think this story is not canon because in games after god of war 1 (god of war 2, ghost of sparta and god of war 3) the blades of chaos doesn't appear anywhere in the game

[@GamerPro174]

The “real world” reason the Blades of Chaos are substituted in Kratos’ flashback is just reusing assets. Santa Monica didn’t want to have to made the Blades of Chaos and Exile, so they just used the model for the Blades of Chaos in place of the Blades of Exile and was like “ehh, close enough”.

[@Asphyx12]

Yeah you right lol it would be too much for them back then to making the new asset of black of exile in the new game engine

[@youfuckingmomo1632]

@@Asphyx12 really? They have a multi million dollar budget, you think thats the reason? They dont even have to fully color it in the flashback or put any details its literally an outline. Im sorry but “resuing assets” in the name of being efficient seems like the least likely possibility.

[@actuallysine1723]

They could have gotten the original model of the Blades of Exile and increased the polygons. I'm not a 3D modeler though so i don't know how much time it takes to do that, So i could be wrong

[@theendersmirk5851]

Another two worthwhile points. A: Helheim had been closer to the Blades of Chaos than the Blades of Exile at this point, so it could have been the Helheim mist just using the blades it saw closest to it, and B: it's a mist hologram. It being 100% graphically accurate is by no means guaranteed. It could just be that it used the same style of cleaver-like, jagged blades that are attached to chains, knowing Kratos would get the memo either way, plus, for bonus points, there's the bit that those are the more deeply troubling blades for him.

[@arpandey7043]

You funny🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@arsh3213]

Freya : No magic in all the nine realms can create a blaze there Kratos : haha, fiery blades go brrrrrrr

[@RandomThings12]

That's because Kratos's blades weren't forged in the nine realms of Norse Mythology :)

[@ZayToDiffrent]

@@RandomThings12 tartarus fire go brrrr

[@friedby4]

@@RandomThings12 finally I found someone who knows why

[@My6119]

Theory idea: Does the blade of Olympus break against Kratos's beard?

[@bengsynthmusic]

Judging by the massive scar it left on his gut, I'd say not a chance.

[@Exxt3R]

@@bengsynthmusic weeeeelllll, considering that, after Kratos impaled himself to give the power of Hope to humanity, he got his own powers back, combined with the ones from the blade itself, I'd theorize that the Blade of Olympus is just a clunky hunk of metal with no power. Sssssooooo, Kratos's Godly Beard could shatter the Blade of Olympus, that's not if the vibrations from Kratos's loudest "BOI" would not turn the metal molecules into dust. XDDDD

[@neow6289]

@@Exxt3R The blade of Olympus is like from the Gow2, an empty shell and needs Godly powers to fuel the sword up to reach it's fullest potential

[@ulfurgaming4268]

Yes have you seen that beard mjolnir would probably shatter on it

[@clxix172]

The "Kratos dismissing the blades of chaos" is actually vague enough that you could still read it as they are the same items, just given an upgrade, he was just dismissing what they used to be. With Ragnarok, it is now implied that the blades are made with a form of primordial fire, like a universal ingredient used in all mythologies, which helps explain why they would revert to that form when Greece was destroyed since the BOA and BOE where basically just special costings given to the weapons that crumbled away as the magic of Greece crumbled. You can even read the effects of fimblewinter as having done the same at the start of Ragnarok reverting the blades to their base form. As for the vision in helheim, it could be that the magic is just showing the blades for what they actually are, or since it's drawing from kratos's memory, he's just misremembering the fight since he's so used to having the blades of Chaos

[@loganhaun8022]

in the comic (where kratos is traveling the world with the blades) he throws them away repeatedly however, every time he fell asleep they returned to his person

[@tooeasy1100]

3:35 I think they didn't intend to change the lore/what happend in GoW3. They just had the model for the Blades of Chaos and used them in this scene. This is just a case of resource management/"lazyness" by the devs. SSM didn't change the lore.

[@MrScythe6]

It says blades of CHAOS tho

[@dantess2693]

@@MrScythe6 think he means the Helheim scene, not the lore change.

[@hama1712]

This helheim scene was trash they didn't use the old voice of kratos

[@dantess2693]

@@hama1712 the old voice of Kratos wont be coming back. Get over it.

[@hama1712]

@@dantess2693 im not talking about it coming back im saying they didn't use it for the helheim scene

[@MrSaberine]

Idk, this plot hole never really bugged me. When I first saw the blades, I had the same thought of "Shouldn't they be the blades of exile?" But then I tore apart some Draugr with the blades and forgot all about it. It was definitely worth them "screwing up" the continuity, even if there isn't an explanation for it.

[@Maroz4106]

there is. he is cursed lmao

[@Supernovice942]

This exactly!

[@InspireProgress125]

In God of War III, the Blades of Exile are the upgraded version of the Blades of Athena, which were themselves an upgraded version of the original Blades of Chaos. Its just the same blades with different names lol

[@ekosandvic7598]

There is another plot hole in the Helheim illusion: Kratos is voiced by Christopher Judge instead of T.C. Carson 😱

[@aurangzebkhan2185]

Maybe it’s because they couldn’t get T.C Carson

[@imparanoiiid]

Kratos just went through a second puberty there

[@Asphyx12]

What's wrong with new VA though?

[@jacobbailey6134]

@@Asphyx12 nothing it’s just many of us wanted to hear younger kratos sound like his old self

[@MrChaos529]

They could have easily added GoW3 voicelines, they were just being really lazy on that part.

[@mehdiboudj5044]

I've always had doubts and though of it for so long and now i feel relieved thanks a lot

[@ronaldosorenstein3546]

Its not hard to think that the writers just left them as the blades of chaos for nostalgia and simplicity

[@InspireProgress125]

In God of War III, the Blades of Exile are the upgraded version of the Blades of Athena, which were themselves an upgraded version of the original Blades of Chaos. thz blades were always here

[@emperor2596]

I've always wondered how are the blades of chaos able to just stay on Kratos back like they do

[@Zoki4444]

He uses the magnets of chaos.

[@isaacduraes7685]

Magic

[@farah.t]

@@Zoki4444 😂😂😂

[@sampalace358]

It’s the chains.

[@bengsynthmusic]

I think it's the curse. When he throws them away, a curse brings them back to his hand.

[@ian74747]

Jon Ford and Kaptain Kuba posting minutes in between about Blades of Chaos.

[@tlallihouse3126]

What if the blades of chaos reappear on him whenever he dies and Comes back, like cursed to follow his soul. Reappearing from wherever he abandons them. Like dying on god of war 3 and coming back he had them in his hands again. Right before leaving to midgard. The end of god of war 3 would've been the last time he died, making the blades of chaos reappearing strapped to him again when he awakened.

[@KaptainKuba]

It would be cool but the novel doesn't say so

[@covrigstudio9076]

@@KaptainKuba Yes but the novels aren't primary cannon.They are secondary cannon.If the novel contradicts the games then that scene from the novel is considered non cannon.

[@sonicthehedgehog1606]

@@covrigstudio9076 the novels are canon

[@paulsmith9192]

@kaptain kupa just because its not in novel,doesn't mean it didn't happen. Alot happens off screen

[@covrigstudio9076]

@@sonicthehedgehog1606 they are secondary cannon

[@ChoicesGamez]

Kratos said himself that he tried to get rid of them and they keep coming back

[@MegaManDBZX]

It’s been explained that the Blades of Chaos are cursed to return to him whenever he sleeps.

[@_Korinzu]

I vaguely remember a quote that he was cursed to forever carry or keep the blades of chaos as an additional reminder of his past sins and pain. A vicious reminder of what he sold his soul for and to who, the very weapons that killed his own family. He tried to get rid of them before, but they always kept coming back to him, even when thrown over board in a ship.

[@_Korinzu]

Could be wrong though.

[@KaptainKuba]

That was a later addition found in the novel

[@_Korinzu]

@@KaptainKuba ah gotcha, didn't read the novel so I was having trouble figuring out where I read that.

[@strenuousspider9525]

@@_Korinzu Was not just in the novel, Hints throughout the series point to it as well.

[@TheMachine3165]

I heard that the blades of chaos actually have a curse on them that makes it to where he can never abandon them, no matter how he tries getting rid of them they always return to his side, I’m not sure if the blades of athena/exile had the same curse.

[@canowhoopass1949]

My theory is the Blades are forever tied to him in flesh, soul, and blood and will always exist as long as he's alive.

[@timeportal2859]

Even in death they still come back to him.

[@BeeWaifu]

In the comics the blades of chaos kept returning to him every time he went to sleep and woke up.

[@SeptReal]

he's cursed to never get rid of the blades of chaos as he is to keep his familly's ashes

[@SanilShah1999]

Bruno has said that you always consider the games as primary canon. So the theory of all the 3 blades being the same, still holds true, as you ignore the detail of the novel. Everything is solved.

[@dudebro2680]

Now remember the novels are canon up until they contradict the games. I think someone should ask the developers directly about this to clear it up once and for all, since Word of God is common with GOW.

[@rishi3096]

Yea i got the answer in helhiem kratos saw the blades of chaos because it would be more painful for him to see those than the blades of exile. Since hel tortures its inhabitants with the past he saw the blades of chaos. As for kratos having them in gow 4 ares could have put a curse on the blades that even if they are separated from his body, he can never lose them they will always be there as a reminder of the family he killed.

[@Kamea1997]

Everyone says it's a plot hole when it isnt. The blades of exile and the blades of Athena aren't forever curse bound to krstos. When he tosses them away, they're gone. It never says that the blades instantly return to Kratos. Just that no matter what, they will always find him. That being said it's reasonable to assume that when he left Greece, the blades sensed it and followed him. As for the cutscene in helheim. Personally, it looks so blurry and messy that I doubt the fees thought it was that important to get the outline of the blades exactly correct to match the new design of the blades for them to be on screen for like 2 minutes if that. I think you're just reading a bit far into that. And yes I'm aware this is a year old video lol but I just got the thumbnail for it now

[@jarubyjane]

It is now explained in God of War Ragnarok that when he became the God of War he had access to Ares' Arsenal and he still hates the blades of chaos and tried to throw them away but would still come back to him.

[@AquaSanchezz]

All mythology is heavily based in metaphor, often dictating physical appearances and God of War is no different. I think the Blades of Chaos, Blades of Athena and Blades of Exile are all the ‘same item’ based on the fact that the blades are ‘a part of Kratos’ and there is no mention of the blades of Athena being forged by Hephaestus as a new weapon. I think Kratos’ perspective is changed for him to be able to wield or not wield them as a newer and newer weapon. - Ares removes the blades and in Kratos mind he can no longer wield them. - Kratos becomes the new God of War and Athena then imbues the blades with her godly power, allowing Kratos to believe he can wield them again. - Then they are believed to be useless when Kratos leaves the river Styx. According to the theory that the Blades of Exile lost Athena’s power on entering Scandinavia (I assume), the Blades of Athena would have reverted to being the Blades of Chaos when leaving the Styx, but they don’t, they take on a new form, separate to all iterations of the blades that we’ve seen. - Athena then imbues the Broken Blades with a new lease of godly power, adjusting Kratos’ perception for him to take them up again as the Blades of Exile. All of these adjustments are made within Kratos rather than on a physical object. The outward appearance of the blades changes because, the literal God of War and owner of the blades, Kratos’ understanding of the blades changes. And Kratos’ perception of the blades changes once again between God of War 3 & 4, meaning the blades take on a whole new outward appearance, not one imbued with a power bestowed by Athena meant for destruction, but a nostalgic melancholic perception bestowed by Kratos himself. When the book mentions Kratos dismissing the Blades of Chaos and clutching the Blades of Athena, he is not dismissing a literal object but dismissing the metaphoric ties to the Blades of Chaos, the oath to Ares, and instead clutches a new promise, the blades of Athena. I also believe the blades appear as they do in Hel because the current rendition is what the blades are to Kratos, much like how you don’t notice yourself ageing, you look in a mirror and your current appearance is what it is, you will never look in a mirror and see yourself as you were 20 years ago, let alone hundreds. Also it’s a video game so we should really just relax.

[@DipZip499]

Even if it’s a plot hole I understand why Santa Monica decided to do it. I had never played any of the original games but even I understood the weight of the moment when he returned home to retrieve the Blades of Chaos. He has done unspeakable things with those blades and he fears having to put them on again. But it’s the only way to save his son. It’s beautifully poetic and honestly one of the best scenes in any video game I’ve ever played.

[@ninja-in-black9841]

Every time he goes to sleep thay always appeared next to him it’s a curse he can’t get rid of

[@moonrockgg4207]

Late asf but in ragnork he said he tried to discard them but they came back to him. So the blades of chaos and kratos are forever bound

[@poisonedgamer3318]

3:35 u can see kratos wearing armor on his right arm in God of war 3 zues broke that armor,is that a mistake?

[@Rigmagog]

Probably just a remembering of gow3

[@thatonedude1107]

That’s before

[@poisonedgamer3318]

@@thatonedude1107 I don't think so when kratos throws his blade he goes to kill zues.

[@connorfranes7884]

Definitely a mistake - the devs really f'd up with that scene.

[@thatonedude1107]

@@poisonedgamer3318 yea that’s afterwards you right

[@blueman9483]

On helheim those were the blades of exile but they made them look like blades of chaos becuase a lot of people don't know the exile ones or athenas. Probably kratos found blades of chaos after killing Zeus and travelled to scandinavia 🤷. Also on helheim Kratos. The voice actor was not from god of war 3 so that makes a lot of sense. It can't be a plot twist or smth. This shit Is a masterpiece

[@youfuckingmomo1632]

To be fair, someone who doesnt know the other blades would most likely see them and just think they are the blades of chaos.

[@AgentRedgrave]

Honestly I'm willing to bet that they just didn't wanna bother making a new model for the Blades Of Exile and were hoping people just wouldn't notice

[@overlordmadness1548]

I always viewed that the Blade of Chaos were bound to Kratos on a spiritual level not just physically when the chains were connect to his bones. Wasn’t said in the novel for God of War(4) that Kratos tried to get rid of the Blades but every time he tries they always come back.

[@sethbell9419]

I’m dying over here. Every time he says Kratos it sounds like he’s saying Curtis. Haha

[@curtisfeagan5224]

Reconciliation of the passage and the scene. It's as kratos remembers. As you said kaptain kuba, they're more emotionally connected and that's how memories work

[@paulsmith9192]

I'm not uncomfortable about the plot hole.I've known this a while.

[@hsandm6296]

Theory: Mirmir said that hell tortures people with THEIR past which means that either someone or something looks through every soul’s past and deems x,y or z torture worthy(the bird...?) or helheim is a place which makes one reflect upon their version of the past and deem actions they took in those scenarios they think are bad and uses that as torture(for my theory we have to believe the latter) and what we saw was what Kratos believes happened This raises two questions(from my observation); why did Kratos forget the weapons he used and how did the blades of chaos get there. The answer to both of those questions is Faye. Faye has seen what happens in ragnarok and maybe she saw having the blades of exile might hinder him in some way, so she went to Greece to retrieve the blades of chaos. I think these were the trips she took(from the novel) which you mentioned in your ‘why did Faye die’ video. Then when she successfully got the blades back, she used some sort of magic that replaced Kratos’s memory but its side effect was an illness or curse that killed her.

[@kingboss531]

I agree with you because cory barlog will not do any mistake

[@crazyfire9470]

@ King Boss he is not perfect

[@justaplayer_8392]

What I think it is either he always kept them after his fight with ares, or every set of blades he got after were just a reincarnation of the blades of chaos in a new buffed form. After all the gods were killed and athena left, his blades may have just reverted back to a previous state over time.

[@Jeff-fo3ck]

I know im late but in GOW Ragnarok Atreus asked Kratos why didn't he just throw away the blades but Kratos said he did but it always comes back. Kratos is forever tied to the blades of Chaos.

[@dahper]

I think the baldes of chaos got back to him as they were a part of his body. If you remember properly ares said something about the blades of chaos being seared into kratos. So my theory is, it came back to him like thor’s axe did ifykwim

[@mitchellradspinner4491]

The vision in the hel was an imperfect memory/general representation of events and he picked up the blades at some point before leaving Greece. I feel like that’s a pretty easy head cannon.

[@carljohnson5301]

Since what Kratos sees is an illusion in Hel, he probably thought of the blades of chaos rather than Exile since the focus of the scene is less of the blades and more on Zeus’s death. It could be Hel messing with Kratos’s memory or he simply forgot how the memory was actually recalled since he was less focused on the blades and more on killing Zeus.

[@kinggl1tchy878]

My thought is since hel would make a projection of the thing that haunted you the most which was the blades and Zeus so hel probably stitched them together

[@starkilr101]

I recognized this plothole during my first play through

[@Ghaiothy]

it honestly got spoiled for me because of some ass hole on KZbin putting the blades in the thumbnail and the title

[@TheBlackSpartan103]

@@Ghaiothy you shouldn't be looking at KZbin if you don't want spoilers. Avoid everything on the internet and beat the game.

[@revanseyfullayev7137]

Every true god of war fan must recognize it

[@TheBlackSpartan103]

@@revanseyfullayev7137 yes

[@depressedcheems9961]

It's not a plothole, just lazy development and resource reusage.

[@amanwithagooddoggo7304]

you know it’s a good game series if the biggest plot hole is what type of blades he uses

[@alexandreemmanuelboumo]

The thing is that the blades of Athena and the blades of Exile are two evolution of the same weapon since the blades of chaos had never disappeared she took them back and infused them with her divine energy to remake their configurations

[@DemetricM662]

Hear me out. Even though Kratos lost the blades in GOW1, I think they are forever bound to him. Meaning where ever he goes, the blades will find their way back to him no matter how much he tries to avoid them. I think the blades made it back to him in Midgard. And since Kratos can’t avoid them, he keeps in safekeepings unless he needs it.

[@beepbeeplettuce5890]

That's literally how its explained in game, that's not some crazy theory, that's just canon

[@timeportal2859]

Even in death The Blades still follows him.

[@JokaritoIsGaming]

What I think in regards to the blades of chaos is that you are correct as far as the blades kept existing within the blades of athena/blades of exile. Since his burn marks from the chaines of the blades did not disappeared, it might be just as well as the blades never disappeared as well, Kratos can not get rid of them and maybe once his deed with Zeus was done, as Kratos calmed down and became just like before, a forever marked person carrying his sins, the blades also reverted to their initial form, however for the sake of continuity and maybe powerscaling, they needed to be reworked by others to become stronger for his feats because at the end of the day, Kratos never beaten someone important just with his fists.

[@Stoic247]

OP video bro keep going love your videos

[@GhostShura1984]

im gonna cut you off. yes Ares ripped them off of Kratos at the end of GW1 , and kratos was awarded the blades of Athena , then the river Styx rusted them , then he got the blades of Exiles which at the end of GW3 but by the end he threw them aside and pummeled Zeus's body until the screen was covered in blood ... but keep in mind where did Ares put the blades after taking them back . so when kratos was made new god of war ... everything Ares had was awarded to Kratos even the blades of chaos ... spoils of war keep in mind in god of war ragnorak he stated he tried to rid himself of them .. they might of been bonded to his soul

[@minioli01]

Here’s how I resolved it in my mind :” does it matter? No. “Would the story be better if they did not change this”? No. Then let it be that way. Moreover I think these blades are a curse that takes many forms so as long as these general chainblades remain in kratis’s life he isn’t free of the curse.

[@originalSiiiN]

"dismissed" could mean in spirit, figuratively not literally. doesn't disprove the theory that they are all the same blades

[@Reaper_77-x4w]

Man I really wish I could support you by joining chanel but my dad won't allow so I only support you by just watching the video

[@KaptainKuba]

Its all good man, watching the video and sharing it is a lot of help

[@The_guy_who_asked]

@@KaptainKuba me too man except my mom won’t allow me

[@joyboy2413]

@@KaptainKuba Well the scene of Kratos holding the Blades Of Chaos in the Hellheim illusion was just an example of oversight because the pot depicting the events of God Of War 3 that we saw in Tyr's vault depicted Kratos wielding the Blades Of Exile.

[@hankenburg7581]

I was waiting for someone to talk about it!

[@bingoboppins9875]

Glad he knew it was an obvious retcon for emotional impact

[@Filosofia897]

Sadly this channel is wrong, in the official novel says Kratos is unable to get rid of the blades, F for kuba that makes content of gow and didn't knew that...

[@terra7918]

after they were taken and he started to travel between realms the blades found him again to remind him of his past.

[@beatsmithx1090]

I think santa Monica really needs to make a God of war game that picks up immediately after gow 3 to fill that plot hole

[@Torchwick109]

Maybe they didn't think to make new models for the blades of exile and reused the blades of Chaos model. As for how Kratos has the blades of Chaos, I've always believed that the blades of Chaos were the base form of the blades of Athena and exile and when their power ran out they reverted

[@K3L0F3ARTH]

What if Athena tricked Kratos into thinking that he left behind the Blades of Chaos for the Blades of Athena but they were always one in the same, and then the same for the Blades of Exile

[@churchA.I]

Possible

[@InspireProgress125]

In God of War III, the Blades of Exile are the upgraded version of the Blades of Athena, which were themselves an upgraded version of the original Blades of Chaos.

[@dcspidey1218]

The blades of chaos where cursed to follow Kraros forever that's why they appear in gow 2018 And as for the blades of chaos appearing in helheim it's possible the visions wanted to torment kratos even further by having atreus see them just incase he didn't recognise kratos due to him looking younger

[@ghost-carnage8964]

I been saying this. I was like "SICKKKK, but how he got those..."

[@wafflehouseoffical]

Saying that kratos dismissed the blades of chaos could merely be referring to him now forgetting about the old version of the blade and focusing on this new upgraded version

[@godofstupidity450]

I have a theory. what if the leviathan axe has to be a gift for it to be used to its full potential?

[@TomBombadil89]

Ah, the Pokemon Clause

[@falconx1]

The blades of chaos were a reminder of his violent past. It was his curse. It’s what he used to kill his old family…but now, ironically, he uses them to save his son. 😉

[@anonymoususer3465]

Hey you should re-do your theory on how Kratos ended up in Midgaurd (combined with what we know via lore & legends) because there's one crucial thing everyone has seemed to forgot & that is (insert drum role here lol) the unity stone and what in particular Mimir says after seeing it "So that's how Tyr was able to travel to all the realms & even different lands" If these mythologies all existed on one earth why would Tyr need the unity stone to travel to them? Also Mimir refers to Egypt as a land soo you get were I'm going with this so I'll leave it at that.

[@dsguy7375]

It may be possible each land has it's own equivalent of the unity stone. Not exactly a stone but something that performs the same purpose. It's been proven that the greek gods are aware of other lands and Aries has been stated to have visited egypt before

[@anonymoususer3465]

Ares was actually attacking Egypt for his own pleasure, so if these mythologies all existed on the same earth wouldn't the Egyptian pantheon retaliate? What's more likely is in this dimension/universe only the greek gods rule as it's hinted at the end of god of war 1 that kratos would oversee all wars (with pictures of wars such as the crusades, ww1 ect) so in conclusion in this dimension only the greek gods exist while the egyptians, persians, ect worship false idols (Kuba made a video pretty much explaining the same thing)

[@dsguy7375]

@@anonymoususer3465 what video was it? I'll make sure to check it out

[@anonymoususer3465]

Just type in Ares attack Egypt should be one of the first things to pop up

[@username.exenotfound2943]

Surely itd all in the same world considering mimir wasnt even originally from the norse realms

[@Dizaster1995]

If memory serves me there was a comic that explains that the blades of chaos followed krakow as he traveled the world after basically destroying the Greek pantheon. Haunted by his past with the blades, they followed either as a nightmare or a curse, and he eventually took the blades back to fight a monster, and he had them when he arrived in the Norse pantheon

[@infinityzer054]

“Yeah there’s primordial fire in those” Definitely a hint…made in Greece, not in Greece

[@vaughnlewis3443]

He’s cursed they follow him around he can’t get rid of them ever since god of war three. The new book explains this.

[@azureashe2276]

What book????? I’d love to read

[@vaughnlewis3443]

@Axsoul CAMPBELL he kills his family with them he wouldn’t wont to even see them. ( it is a curse )

[@jkjones9745]

Biggg fannn sir...❤❤❤❤ , love from India..❤❤❤❤❤

[@KaptainKuba]

Thank you for your support

[@The_guy_who_asked]

Same

[@op3nyouri]

I think they're the same blades and always have been, without Athena changing them at all. The transformations to the blades of Athena and the blades of exile are in Kratos' head as he thinks himself more powerful. And because the visions of Athena in God of war 4 are in Kratos' head, its hard to tell for certain if any of their other encounters were fitments in his mind

[@jonzalezart]

I'm with you. To me it makes sense. They are the blades of chaos why couldn't they change. It's chaos. They can do whatever haha.

[@InspireProgress125]

In God of War III, the Blades of Exile are the upgraded version of the Blades of Athena, which were themselves an upgraded version of the original Blades of Chaos.

[@JohnnyBravo2550]

why the blades look so clean in the game scenes he's showing? (2018 GoW)

[@jazzyman8185]

4:06 : "This moment would not be as emotional" Screen shot

[@cezarborta1160]

What if the ilussion in helheim was made like this so that kratos' and atreus' relationship will tear apart, these things like kratos' voice and the blades of chaos in the ilussion being for the purpose of making atreus think kratos is a monster when seeing the blades that kratos wields now and when he hears the same voice

[@teddestin2194]

Do you think having different blades would change the way Atreus viewed him? I dont think that really matters.

[@cezarborta1160]

@@teddestin2194 maybe you are right but we cant know for sure

[@thelonewolf5238]

I guess I'm kinda late to the party but I'm gonna write my theory anyways. The Blades of Chaos have always been the Blades of Chaos. They never were changed with the Blades of Athena. Athena at the end of the first God of War found with her magic the Blades after Ares ripped them from Kratos's forearms and simple infused a small portion of her power in them. Hence renaming them, the Blades of Athena. When Kratos gave up all of his godly powers in the Blade of Olympus in God of War 2, he gave everything, even the small portion Athena used in the Blades of Chaos. And so the Blades returned to their original design. In God of War 3, Athena once again infused the blades with a portion of her power, changing them into the Blades of Exile of which Kratos could summon the spirits of his fellow spartan warriors. At the end of the game however, Athena took back the portion she had infused the Blades with and once again, the Blades returned to their original design (although we never see it, I'm quite sure Athena did that or the design wouldn't have changed in the God of War comic or the God of War 2018). Summary: The Blades of Chaos have always been that. The Blades of Chaos. Only difference between them and the rest of the designs was the portion of power that was granted to them by Athena.

[@kostasmarga.876]

First of all about the sentence in the novel... I don't believe that it means that the blades of athena are more powerful than the blades of chaos but it is written in a way to underline the fact that Kratos Replaced The BoC with the BoA since there isn't much difference between them. Also my opinion is that after Ares' death the BoC didn't disappear but they were just there left as a prize. I mean whatever pocket dimension Ares used to hide them and take them should have faded away the moment he died...or this is what i assume and makes sense to me to be honest. Lastly kratos could indeed use The BoA later as the god of war as they had a divine aura to theme suiting more to a god than a god slayer and likewise after the death of Zeus maybe by realising that the destruction of olympus and death of his father did not bring him peace ,he could go on and abandon the BoE-BoA and keep the Blades of Chaos as a Constant Reminder of his past and What he wouldn't turn to ever be again.

[@Mryogiups]

Maybe the blades of Chaos found their way back to kratos. They're no longer physically attached to kratos but still in a magical way.

[@bigseizmos76]

it was a metaphor. plot hole solved

[@opdbo2210]

What if they use the mirror that turns people to dragons on mimir so he could help them fight

[@IlNamelessKinglI]

Mimir is more useful now

[@theonethingwealladore]

But then they wouldn’t be able to gain knowledge from him. His knowledge is more useful than a dragon fighting by your side.

[@opdbo2210]

Jakob Thomson i know i just seggusted that he make a what if sereis about this topic

[@bloodshdalwayz3565]

@@theonethingwealladore tbf wouldn’t artraus be able to hear him anyways?

[@bloodshdalwayz3565]

@@theonethingwealladore you get stories and a lightning breathing dragon on your side, what’s not to like?

[@sandrobotticelli4797]

It doesnt matter. The moment stands on its own.

[@KaptainKuba]

Yeah thats why I said it was worth it at the end

[@tkahtkah-ty4cv]

I know these before long time thank you to kill me again

[@Jdog1366]

Tbh, when he said “I must return home” I thought we were gonna go back to Greece💯

[@galoguzman677]

Kaptain Kuba the Vaatividya of God of War content.

[@professortubby23]

Kuba i had a question and i wanted to see if you might know anything: do you think there will be a god of war themed ps5? Because if there is i would want to just wait and get the ps5 then

[@ToMtRoOpEr05]

If there was then I guarantee it will sell out faster than a normal PS5

[@professortubby23]

@@ToMtRoOpEr05 huh i guess you could be right, but i can always try :)

[@KaptainKuba]

Yeah I think there will be one, not on day one tho

[@SpencerDickensheets]

If they do, they should also sell themed side panels, for those who already have a PS5, and the panels come off so easily.

[@professortubby23]

@@SpencerDickensheets yeah i think that would be good but they might not only because they more than likely want to make more money by selling more ps5’s