Indian FTR1200 vs Yamaha MT-09 SP

Indian FTR1200 vs Yamaha MT-09 SP!
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[@BAMK]

These new videos comparing bikes have been very useful, I’d definitely like to see more stuff like this

[@jennynester9980]

It’s like y’all saw my search history, I literally have been searching for a comparison of the mt09 and ftr and BOOM, you drop this. Hardly any comparisons are out there of these two. Great video!

[@dennisspencer546]

Keep the comparison videos coming absolutely love them. With the riding comparison and the Dyno videos I found my new favorite Channel. Keep up the good work Blockhead!

[@grey5135]

I really wish Harley would stop playing games and just give us The Bronx with the same engine as a Sportster-S, but in a naked bike platform.... I would be at the dealer sooo fast trying to get mine.

[@yamayari8351]

Really good video block, One of my favorites for sure! Especially when @baggerbro is on deck!

[@ashercollier7365]

i just love the FTR because of what it is. It's a badass naked bike powered by a burly American v-twin, and that in itself is cool enough to make me want one.

[@blockheadfxstc0428]

Thank you for the video My Man! If I were in the market for a new one I am still very torn between classic cruiser vs the nakeds, I guess I'll have to work on that on my own lol!

[@kadebrown1848]

Honestly dude I love that you’re chasing your dream and opening a shop love to see it

[@MyHumboldtLife]

When looking at how closely they were matched when making pulls from a rolling start I think it boils down to horsepower per pound for each bike. And I think it also explains why the MT09 was inching forward when it got towards it's top end rpms where it was making it's peak horsepower. From my calculations, the MT09 has 0.279 HP per pound, whereas the FTR has 0.234 HP per pound. So a slight advantage to the MT09. The MT09 has 2.124 CC's per pound and the FTR has 2.33 CC's per pound, but when you look at the listed HP for each bike they are very close, with the MT09 at 117HP and the FTR at 120HP. Just some numbers to consider for fun. Thanks for the video Block!

[@dormantmenace]

You mean power to wieght ratio...

[@kodyking3090]

@@dormantmenace tomato tomato

[@italkgory99]

Being a spec sheet warrior at this point, just get what you like

[@topshelf6623]

luvin these pull videos. keep it up. I'm seriously thinking about a Tracer. nice job guys. Bagger bro provides great content...

[@onecrazywheel]

Great video! Be careful on 415. Lots of Volusia County cops there. I got pulled over near Reed Road a while back. Great video!

[@Zanda393]

Great comparison video. Given how close they are, it comes down to the look, sound and feel. For me it’s the FTR

[@codysnell]

Reed Ellis and 415. I love riding in that area. Great video! I love my FTR S. So much fun.

[@mark.lb116]

Thank you for a very entertaining video. I own a 2019 FTR-RR and my son-in-law J. owns a 2019 MT-09. They are indeed very close in straight line performance. In real world riding (40-90 mph) on rural roads in Western PA, I personally favor the FTR because of the V-twins torque advantage. Riders of all skill levels can feel/use torque. Slight differences in peak horse power are inconsequential unless you are on a race track. I am eagerly awaiting the dynamometer numbers to confirm my statement. Also my FTR is running a Lloyd’z V6 tune. Indian definitely left some performance on the table with their lame stock map.

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

I just posted. I too have a 1200S RR with Ryan's Secret Sauce V6. I love what the tune did for the bike. However ... gas mileage .... the lack thereof sucks.

[@TheSar]

I owned a 2015 MT09 on which I covered 50K kms from new. It was a blast of a bike, cracking motor, great all rounder - but not the best in terms of throttle transition and handling. It was wheelies a'plenty. I traded that bike for a 2022 FTR R Carbon and could not be more amazed at the engine and throttle character as well as the chassis stability. Night and day.

[@onecrazywheel]

It's probably a great idea 💡 to try both bikes and see for yourself actually which bike is better personally for your own sense of which bike suits you best. I say test ride the bikes and find which fits best.

[@karlhungus8946]

I just moved to Sanford, and my first act upon arriving was to buy myself a 2022 Z900 SE. I've been spending every spare minute riding, and I recognize a lot of the streets in the video. There's a lot of great riding down here.

[@TheAsheybabe89]

Sign up, you too can pull up and show the reality of the MT09 not being everything the Yammie cult says it is.

[@KevinButler816]

Definitely need to do the FTR Vs the Sportster S !

[@clubstyleridahd4695]

I had the first gen fz09 and sold it because it just didn't feel planted. These videos are the ones I get excited for!

[@SirMountainpass]

The MT09 SP any day - especially once properly dynoed by an experienced pro😎🏁🏁✌️

[@richardcerritelli9657]

Have you ridden the Indian FDR 1200 I think from the reviews on forums the fdr seems to be the better bike from most people.

[@marclapalme1394]

Thanks for the comparison! Now I gotta wonder. How’s the MT 09 vs the z900?

[@karlhungus8946]

As the recent purchaser of a 2022 Z900 SE, I have the same questions.

[@tommcguire2346]

Great comparison, i would have asked for this one. Actually considering one of these and looking at both

[@JohnSmith-zi9or]

In 2019 I bought a 2019 FTR 1200S. I knew it wouldn't be the fastest best handling yada yada yada. I bought it because I loved the looks of it. Also, I'm about the same size as Eric and guys like us just look goofy on Japanese and Italian bikes made for short Japanese and Italians. I'd be interested to see a comparison if you get Lloydz Ryan's Secret Sauce tune for the FTR. It completely changes the FTR.

[@Firestorm637]

The lighter the bike more Flickable. Better handling, braking, and acceleration. I own a Super Duke and a YZ 250 2 stroke dirt bike. YZ is 230 pounds and 50 horsepower with a small compact engine. No top heavy spinning inertia of cams/valves etc. so much fun. Instant on/off acceleration. Your clutch is similar to additional or secondary throttle to keep bike on the pipe.(clutch feathering). So much engagement with the bike. Very special. Love the smell! Like these bikes, in your video, different bikes offer different experiences. 4 strokes you can be lazy but not with a 2 stroke so much

[@defeatedhusband1593]

Any complaints on the tank size or fueling up on either?

[@alennagy3741]

I love the 09 but the ftr looks soooo good.

[@dano7480]

I'm with you on that 💯. I currently have a 2021 MT09 but FTR looks and sounds amazing.

[@D.A.G808]

I agree!!

[@tunkionseisoja]

Is your gopro's aspect ratio 4:3 and you have squeezed it to 16:9? Or why the image is so "stretched" from the sides?

[@HobbitOfChaos]

I know nothing about bike mechanics but one day I’ll move to Fl and see if I can learn from you. Idc where I start becuase I’m ignorant to everything and will gladly learn everything you have to teach

[@dustinslo_6963]

Digging the comparison and I would really like to c the Harley go against the Indian since they have such a history from when the first started building motorcycles

[@Josh-ew1le]

Hey Block, What fender eliminator kit is that on the MT-09SP? Thanks fam!

[@dakotamiller6326]

Been cross shopping the new xsr900 and ftr1200 I personally think the fate is the most attractive bike made in a long time just definitely hard to justify that extra money

[@toofastnobrakes]

Are you adding the RSD shortened swing arm to the FTR???

[@DacisofAceS]

do you know what mirrors those are on the FTR? Just picked a carbon

[@powamoto]

Awesome vid guy so I brought all these thumbs ups for ya algorithms fam 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍🔥🔥

[@AntiPattern328]

I just bought a 2023 FTR 1200 Sport. I rode everything from the MT-09, Ducatis, BMW's, Triumph, Harley, Hondas.... I absolutely love the FTR!!! Handling, sound, torque, riding position, brakes, suspension... It was just 100% for me!!! Got the Black, Red, Grey!! Once you get a feel for the Indian and learn to trust what it can do, it carves twisties like nobody's business... I've looked at adding exhaust but honestly, after 1000 miles... Probably 700 at High RPM, the pipes sound 100% different. Above 5000, they really get growly and downshifting sounds great. Also, they make a speed shifter kit for the FTR for under $200... Admit it... The FTR is just a gorgeous bike!!! We only have crappy 91 octane fuel where I live so I've been juicing with VP Octane Booster and honestly, the bike absolutely loves it. More responsive, snappier all around, no dead spots... I was surprised actually.

[@broquea]

Skipped RSD and went Wunderkind on my 22 S for mods; w/ContiSportAttack4 for tires. Great combo for canyon carving in SoCal :D

[@michaeljameslawrence2965]

The FTR for me has everything I was looking for Harley looks with sports riding position. It just looks gorgeous and hits all the boxes for me. I am saving up for one in the United Kingdom 🇬🇧 wish there were more dealerships here as only three in the south where a fair few Harley’s Lind dealerships as I still would like people who could work on them. Just pedalling on my lynkskey titanium bicycle and 125 scooter for now 😆

[@CraigSmith568]

This doesn't surprise me at all. I rode an FTR1200 a few years ago and I didn't feel like it was any faster than my FZ-07. I actually thought the MT-09 would beat it by more. Now to bring in the MT-10 into the mix.

[@OathForFew]

MT 10 and FTR are Apples and Oranges lol

[@GhostHammerX]

@@OathForFewcloser in price, weight, and displacement than the MT09 though, so…

[@Firestorm637]

Great video! Compare FTR vs Sportster S. Both $14,999

[@tazerc7102]

Need to compare the ftr to a triumph speed twin next video!!

[@chill0141414]

you started your pulls vs the harley at around 30 mph, and vs the ftr around 40 mph. Huge difference in powerband.

[@wrenchwookie3304]

I own a 2011 Ducati Multistrada, and that first service was TOO expensive. Since I'm an industrial technician, that was the only service I've paid for. I got on KZbin and learned how to do them myself! I think anyone could do it, actually.

[@jhashmi2011]

nobody notice the CVO road glide in the background? Gorgeous!

[@johnjones928]

for me it would be the Yam and the Indian over the Harley simply because the first two's power better match their chassis capabilities. Besides i like the feel and ergonomics of lighter, shorter, upright bikes better than long, low and heavier ones.

[@Yoah777]

Hey can you tell us what mirrors are on the Ftr ?

[@Firestorm637]

You can speed shift if no quickshifter but quickshifter faster. Similar comparing car DCT vs manual. The automated dual clutch beats the manual. That is why less performance cars with manuals vs DCT.

[@jeremysproule4012]

I was originally looking at getting a FTR, but the tank size is what held me back. I ended up going with the mt09. And what you said about fun per dollar also weighed in.

[@devinroberts2127]

Are you hiring any more motorcycle technicians for your shop or is it just you and Chris

[@Marc-NZ]

Besides the power there are different bikes and projects...both are great

[@chbruiser]

What brand of mirrors are on the FTR?

[@slsumf]

So the 2021mt09 has an auto blipper?

[@iamsahilsuman6872]

If possible now do the ftr 1200 vs Harley 1200cc This will definitely be great

[@sleepyheadfpv1507]

As a 2021 MT-09 owner. Both bikes look amazing but MT is outstanding

[@Stevevm21]

FTR all the way. Test rode both and the FTR has so much character. Extra bucks for a longer smile 😊

[@SFV4]

A little rear brake and there is little to no throttle rolling off required to prevent the front to lift too much

[@sasbar187]

that F.T.R is a great bike the exhaust on the F.T.R is so quiet for top of the rang bike your MT 09 is very quiet to . that sporter s maybe put up a BMW S1000r for shits and giggles . great video

[@ThatLad685]

If there was a strict beauty comparison tho, in my mind the FTR wins that all day. It is an incredible looking motorcycle.

[@anthonyacosta23]

I wonder how the sportster s gose with the mt10 since Mt09 and ftr are similar then try the mt10 with sportster s and then compare on dyno

[@anthonyacosta23]

But I still want to buy the ftr I've been eyeballing that bike for a good min

[@bradleylynn511]

What about throwing the nightster in the mix

[@2wheelhooligan649]

My mt09 flies love that bike. Flash the ECU for as much fun as possible.

[@BlockheadMoto]

Def planning on some modifications for it!

[@mikedudley1651]

All of these bikes are fast as hell and I think these videos do a great job of proving that many factors are subjective when comparing overall. Even if one pulls over the other, it's not the only factor out there! It's awesome you guys compare what I consider the best/coolest bikes within the purchase ability of most enthusiasts, and compare what many of us want to see compared. Keep it up!

[@PureEvolution]

Can i ask when you was racing the MT09 what Alltitude are you at as it seems well under powered compaired to my stock MT09SP i know this make both bikes slow just wondering as few youtubers with MT09 seem to be very tame

[@dano7480]

I agree, but doesn't the modes determine how much power is applied? From what I seen on screen MT09 says manual and Block said that he doesn't like wheelies so could have been in rain mode. Maybe it was mentioned what mode they were in the video and I didn't catch it. For my 21 MT09 feels so much different with different modes.

[@PureEvolution]

@@dano7480 from what i understand mode 4 is the only one thats little under top power but all of them just change how much throttle imput you need to give it for the desired power and even with lift control on full the front end will still come up when giving it full throttle in all modes

[@dano7480]

@@PureEvolution Yes I'm able to ride a wheelie in the first 3 gears with wheelie control on and quick shifter makes it smooth. It doesn't allow the bike to get over 45 degrees so don't worry about looping the bike. I'm taking the MT09 to the dragstrip next year to see how much power it really does kill in different modes. My Harley is faster than the MT09 in rain mode. 12 o'clock position on the MT09 is way different feeling than my other bikes. Seems higher for some reason.

[@PureEvolution]

@@dano7480 Yea the lift control on the MT09 is really quick i had a time i was in 5th on full power at 8k rpm and hit a little hump in wales as the bike front wheel came up i did react to it but felt the bike also pull power as i was about to apply rear brake and yes its is very hard or have to be very stupid to loop the bike i always ride in MODE1 and TCS set to 1 also gotten use to riding in all weather types like this

[@hmg1249]

Please do mt09 vs street triple!

[@miguelrodz2446]

That Indian should've been compared with the new xsr900

[@why_m9]

Get the FTR tuned. They had to pull it back for the new emission laws.

[@cisa1622]

Maybe adding a healtech quick shifter to FTR.

[@popdatclutch3010]

Mt09 is an amazing bike. New gen anyways. Cant go wrong even without the sp

[@cody4487]

So where's the dyno video?

[@frankhubbardiv8711]

I would like to see power wise, how the MT10 & Pan America do against each other.

[@YoloVib3s]

I'm leaning towards the FTR Rally Black Smoke

[@SFV4]

I never understand the US speed limits. Is it the minimum speed you are allowed to ride instead of the maximum speed as would be the case in Europe?

[@jackoconnell1852]

Y’all must be down the road from me, enterprise osteen

[@Firestorm637]

Purchases come down to what pulls on your heart strings more not necessarily specs. Honda/Yamaha/Kawasaki/ even Harley are on every corner not too EXvlusive, but anyone can work on them. MV Agusta, Ducati, BMW, Aprilia, Moto Guzzi, etc., are very exclusive but pay more for parts(rare aftermarket, all oem) plus you must have a Specialty mechanic. Parts take longer as only oem. Remember vehicles depreciate vs parts and labor, they increase. That is why old vehicles/ crashes not worth costs to repair. Many modern vehicles require specialty software scanners and tools. These are cost prohibitive to many backyard mechanics. Newer vehicles need yearly software updates that are difficult unless a dealer. Another reason to support your loc dealer once and awhile. They further is locked ECU’s. Motorcycles engines more complex like autos cuz of emissions. Variable valve timing and forced induction will appear like cars until battery/electrics catch up.

[@tomseymour123]

I hope you put a yoshi on that MT09 and let that triple sing!

[@83jward]

Please Please please overlay the sportster s power delivery over the ftr!!🙏🙏🙏

[@chiwiitube]

Interesting how the Sportster S is faster considering your other video

[@charlieperry26]

I was a little surprised that the Indian didn't do "as well" as the HD did with the Yamaha. Great video though. I would choose the Yamaha personally

[@drjekyll5922]

right but where the Harley is 'exceeding' the ftr is lighter and differently engineered for better handling in any circumstance and you'll never see a sporty s at a stealership for the same pricing as either the Yamaha or the FTR since the Harley Davidson dealers want to mark new models heightened over msrp

[@charlieperry26]

I've owned 3 HD's I will not own a 4th.

[@jocoloco1320]

Indian is heavier than the sportster. It handles better but still heavier.

[@Alanw-xm4pt]

Great video

[@kennethdraper1838]

FTR1200 vs Sportster S next!

[@toofastnobrakes]

In fairness, the dude you had on the sportster S was like half of his size 😂. But the sportster s did seem to pull harder

[@BlockheadMoto]

Hence why we ran them on the dyno, removed the rider from the equation entirely 😁 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3a4aqd7dtCti8k

[@toofastnobrakes]

@@BlockheadMoto sweet 🤟 hope you did a comparison with the sportster dyno as well Edit: actually already saw that vid, when you dyno compare the ftr and MT I hope you also lay over the sportster numbers as well

[@johlin491]

I truly thought this was real and after todays ride with my buddy FTR and my 22xsr900 something is wrong in this video. He has exhaust and I’m completely stock on xsr900 and it absolutely blows the bike out the way

[@BlueJ502]

It's better to compare relatable engine sizes

[@jamiehernandez4378]

Let’s see the sportster s vs ftr 1200

[@ronaldwalters9488]

Just bought a used MT07, maybe I should have went with the 9? 🤔

[@trollingpatroll7196]

great video

[@Firestorm637]

Quickshifter makes a difference as pulling in a clutche loses ground.

[@TheAsheybabe89]

Not if you actually know how to ride a bike and shift without the clutch?

[@Firestorm637]

I raced professional motocross and flat track. Many manufacturers, Tesla great example, Vertical integration. Try to keep costs down manufacturer everything in-house. Tesla batteries, Tesla seats, Tesla motors. KTM WP suspension all in-house. Brembo makes great brakes and people expect brembos on premium bikes. Truthfully, unless you race, where every horsepower, every once of weight, perfect brake feel all matter as the bike is raced at 110%. The other 99% of us will never approach limits of bikes and regular brakes are just fine. Brembos do not necessarily make you stop Any faster just the progressive feel. The rider makes the most difference to the tool they are riding/using.

[@bryanteet7635]

Instead of pulling in the clutch and shifting just let off the throttle and up shift then get back into it. I don't ever use the clutch to up shift.

[@tarrowspeedco.2973]

DYNO battle?

[@ericknapp3114]

FTR vs Sportster S por favor

[@Rabessey]

The biggest advantage the MT-09 SP has is the ASV Brake/Clutch levers...all the difference in the world! ;-)

[@paulhope3401]

Perhaps but they are not stock. What is so good about them... and worth the money?... is it the being?

[@AntiPattern328]

The race test seemed a little weird just for the fact I couldn't see when the front person let off on the FTR. Bottom end, it just rips away but then you come flying up on the MT-09 so it looks like you're catching it but it also seems like the FTR rider got off the gas a while ago.... Need a better race test.

[@markward-panatieri5434]

Mod them all out and then run the comparison again

[@stevotaylor6548]

Don't lean, but countersteer and push on the footpegs...

[@teranitupfpv]

off topic, but I'd love to see more dyno comparison videos 👍also should do one on if upgraded spark plug wires/spark plugs (iridium vs standard) increase hp 😂 seems to be a open ended question

[@Jocheche]

Fucking awesome video!!!

[@RomeoTheBaron]

Try a 2019 FTR1200 pulls much harder then the "new" 2022!

[@jocoloco1320]

Same motor.

[@Honoer]

Dang the sportster s is faster than the ftr

[@-ihad2clipem-429]

Seems like people are overlooking the quick shifter on the Mt09. Quick shifter vs manual. Seems a bit uneven for a drag race, or any other kind of race on that matter. For the FTR to be neck n neck tells a lot. Heavier bike with a manual shift keeping up with a lighter bike w/ a quick shift & similar power.

[@paulhope3401]

Uneven? On the contrary... the FTR's extra cc and v-twin grunt should way more than equalise a quickshifter'd 890 triple... On paper it's actually an unequal comparison in favour of the FTR, the MT09 should get batch slapped... but it doesn't.

[@-ihad2clipem-429]

@@paulhope3401 That's not true at all. It applies to bikes and cars. Quick shifters are way faster. Doesn't matter if you're a pro or an amateur. Especially a drag race it makes all the difference if the bikes are pretty even on power.

[@paulhope3401]

@-ihad2clipem-429 If all bikes were completely even in all aspects there would be no point in doing a comparison. They are 2 completely different bikes each with their own advantages, strengths and weaknesses. The FTR would stomp on the mt09 from a standing start to about 40-60 or more due to its longer wheelbase and higher torque... before the mt09 would start to gain on it again. I think you just don't like the comparison because you are a FTR fan and the mt09 was slightly better in this particular metric. It would lose on others if that makes you feel any better. Personally I found it quite fascinating and the fact that the mt09 could match it in a rolling race was a surprise to me.

[@-ihad2clipem-429]

@@paulhope3401 The point I'm making is the quick shift. A quick shift makes ANY bike faster. The reason why I bring it up. Because of people like you deceived into thinking the mt09 is the underdog in a drag race against an FTR. The bikes are pretty close on power. Of course imports aren't going to match the torque of American engine. But a lighter bike with a quick shifter has the advantage over a heavier bike with a little bit more power and a manual shift. So yeah, it's impressive an FTR could pull on it that hard.

[@paulhope3401]

@-ihad2clipem-429 Yeah a quickshift always helps but after seeing that Harley leave the MT09 for dead on this channel, I was expecting the FTR to do it too tbh.

[@WoodyRides]

FTR vs Sportster S?!?!?!?!

[@BlueJ502]

You should do mt 10