Bloober Team Bites - How the ‘Layers of Fear’ Dev Copy/Pasted Their Way to Notoriety

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[@spiralhaze2070]

The best thing to come out of Layers of Fear is when Jerma streamed the game and repeatedly walked over the trigger to have a child ghost slam into a wall and almost dying of laughter.

[@Lucifronz]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/eGHJnmWih9d4nZI

[@phoebeaurum7113]

@@frankbasile3662 You night be missing his point.

[@pipebombmailer]

what a PSYCHO

[@gusbabiski]

i've rewatched this bit and honestly almost passed out laughing my god is that trigger dumb holy fuck

[@weirdalexander8193]

Eeheeheehee OOOHHH

[@ketrub]

"wouldn't it be funny if bloober team is making the next silent hill game? ha ha that'd be h i l a r i o u s" you doomed us all into the worst timeline

[@bobvids]

i'm so sorry

[@Dialgadude]

@@bobvids as penance, you must hide prophetic good news behind your end titles from now on, in case one of them ends up coming true

[@SirBlackReeds]

To be fair, Silent Hill's only speculation. There's also been rumors that the next Silent Hill will be a Sony-Konami collaboration.

[@FerreTrip]

Wait, explain?

[@ketrub]

@@FerreTrip konami reportedly is working with bloober team on *something*

[@SOBEKCrocodileGod]

I was not expecting the Rubber Johnny reference. They probably looked up “most disturbing music videos” and saw it on every list and thought “let’s throw that in” lol

[@CatOperated]

The thing that annoys me most about the game is the steam page says it’s a Victorian-era mansion when absolutely everything you encounter is Edwardian-era in design. ...what?

[@honeyxilia3903]

Buzzwords ! Buzzwords !!

[@Vexxa_]

among a lot of other things in that game, i got hung up on that to the point of distraction and i am relieved im not the only one who noticed :V

[@mr.stuffdoer8483]

I don’t think the majority of people know what Edwardian Era is. I’ve never heard of it.

[@royalscholar7504]

I think you'd be an outlier. And I'm not saying that to flex or make you feel silly, but I've yet to meet someone who hasn't understood the term Edwardian if they know the term Victorian

[@wildcardbitchesyeehaw8320]

It's kinda similar to people calling things steampunk when they're inspired by tech from like 1920's

[@Bsketches]

Layers of Fear always felt off to me just because right at the start there was a letter that used the phrase "Demented Nightmare Fuel" This isn't how an Edwardian era person speaks. This sounds like something a kid on reddit would write.

[@troin3925]

Naylorben I felt the same way. Honestly, I still enjoy Bloober Team’s games (though I thought Layers of Fear 1 was “meh”), and (aside from the Raiders of the Lost Ark edit and the patent bullshit), I heavily disagreed with this video and believed he missed the point when it comes to referencing something and doesn’t seem to understand the concept of holding influences or styles up the creator’s sleeves (Layers of Fear 1 was initially a P.T. fangame anyway and Blade Runner didn’t invent the cyberpunk trope, and Observer was like Blade Runner meets Soma and it never tried to copy the story of those two). Also, Layers of Fear 1 was about paintings so there’s a lot of references to paintings, some of which I recognized and even though I’m not an expert on historical paintings, I still knew that not all of the paintings were made specifically by the creators (hell, one of the newspaper clippings talks about the “baby face” painting and never suggested that the main character drew it). I’m sorry that Bobvids is worried about the 5 people who assumed that all of the paintings were created specifically for this game! Layers of Fear 2 was about movies so there’s a lot of movie references, which isn’t a new thing, what makes this game so special!? One of the achievements made it clear that those Se7en references were intentional (the achievement even said Se7en)! It feels like he’s cherry picking specific details while ignoring others (the painter and the daughter didn’t have names either, the looping hallway in Observer was an optional Easter egg that references both P.T. and Layers of Fear, Layers of Fear 1 wasn’t supernatural, it was just hallucinations), and is desperately trying to accuse the developers of plagiarism while not knowing the difference between references and ripoffs and also ignoring other media that do the same thing as Bloober Team’s games. This is very similar to what Adam talked about in his Kimba video when he compared the “Simpsons did it,” argument to the “Lion King ripped off Kimba,” argument.

[@kobain6657]

@@troin3925 Btw Bladerunner may as well be given carte blanche in the "created" cyberpunk, as it was one of the godfathers of the setting and imagery. Ofc there are works that came before but none really popularized it nearly to the level as did Bladerunner. Not to mention the fact that it was a book before it was a movie. Philip K Dick among others can be considered one of the godfathers of cyberpunk as well.

[@baboonaiih]

@@troin3925 this video has some very legitimate criticisms. You can't just look at Layers of Fear in a vacuum you have to take into consideration their history of copying other games and taking things without credit.

[@PixelAtionGuitar]

the phrase nightmare fuel goes back to about 1993

[@Blue_snapdragons]

Layers of fear was also not supposed to take place in the Edwardian era. One of the inheritance DLC endings shows the daughter sitting in front of a TV. The house and the furniture therein was just an aesthetic choice tbh. There’s also the painter’s war medals, (and prosthetic) though it’s unclear which war he fought in. But with enough digging around the notes and scenery, it becomes a little more apparent that the game takes place sometime in the twentieth century.

[@dwhutto]

"wouldn't it be funny if bloober team is making the next silent hill game?" What fucking curse have you brought upon this land

[@leonam6474]

Can’t wait for them to say “James did the right thing” in the silent hill 2 remake

[@Matt_19-89]

James Is gonna turn into a 50 year old boomer mid game, will start drinking monster and making jokes about how much he hates his wife. Now that's psychological horror

[@a_brodo3158]

yeah he's also gonna say "damn angela that shit sucks but hey, guess everyone can't be saved"

[@BeloBeeAMenace]

My favorite part was when James said it's Sunderlanding time and sunderlanded all over everything truly a gamer moment

[@yurifairy2969]

If they change a single goddamn thing about Silent Hill 2s story I swear Im gonna lose it

[@tennisthelegend]

@@Matt_19-89 its from the perspective of the painter whos obviously is insane theres gonna be a new game with the wife as the perspective

[@Yuoaman]

I wasn't too bothered until the patent trolling was brought up, how can a company that only exists because other companies did NOT patent their game concepts be pulling crap like this?

[@meldondglord7930]

They exist because they make great games. Best horror game studio right now. Author of this video know nothing about plagiarism or inspiration. Most games in this world fit to his criteria of plagiarism.

[@soliduswasright678]

@@meldondglord7930 Found the dev's burner account.

[@OfficerMcChicken]

When someone who is used to stealing Ideas finally comes up with something they think is original, they fear it getting stolen the most.

[@gongal]

@@meldondglord7930 > Blooper > Great horror pick one

[@BaragonProductions]

i feel i can freely admit that i do like these games, however hearing about that has tainted it for me, tho the thing about PT and LoF was picked up pretty much as soon as the first demo came out, but i do find it unnusual that the Devs of the game haven't actually said anything about it...since that was literally the selling point of the game in the first place

[@MCFPapa]

Bloober Team reminds me of Disney, which took advantage of several public domain fairy tales for their early success, then once they had influence they manipulated Congress to change copyright law to prevent Mickey Mouse from going into public domain.

[@fernie-fernandez]

Now imagine if they helm Sleeping Beauty...

[@loubloom1941]

@Matthew Chandler depends how you define intellectual property. I don't think it needs to be completely abolished but shouldn't be allowed to be manipulated either.

[@Cavirex]

​​@@loubloom1941 screw intellectual property and copyrights. I'd rather go back to the Middle Ages approach that allowed for the spreading and development of ideas.

[@julieswevery]

That reveal of where the melted face man painting came from was absolutely astonishing. It's crazy how blatant these people can be while still being wildly successful

[@julieswevery]

@Piss Harrison that's just not true lol, there are plenty of anti-capitalist indie devs. The bigger companies are naturally capitalist and exploitative but it's not like that's exclusive to the game industry

[@123n704123]

@Piss Harrison You can't blame gamers for this though. I had no idea about their practices, most gamers don't actually know much about the developers beside what makes it to the mainstream conciousness

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

don't blame them, they saw what works, and what works was the call of duty method for success. literally everything in that game was copy and pasted from a previous game or a hollywood movie

[@MrcreeperDXD777]

And now they are making the sh2 remake. Plagiarism is rewarded in this time

[@fanerv3304]

At least they dont have to pretend

[@CakeandCosplay]

I had wondered why on earth they were the team chosen to do it. Maybe this whole patent nonsense is why? 🤔

[@jordanboyd5587]

Another reason to be extremely skeptical about the remake.

[@harrietr.5073]

Truly horrible...

[@blank4227]

it couldn't just be that they knew how to make games people wanted to buy or anything. it's actually a big capitalist conspiracy where a company produces a product that consumers want to purchase, and then they purchase the product.... fuck that's so twisted and gross bros... capitalism has failed us

[@Radi0inactivity]

you know for a little bit i was like "well referencing other stuff in your work without referencing your inspiration is kinda gauche but also pretty common, artists do it all the time" and then you got the bit about them having a patent on the idea of two worlds and i went "oh never mind fuck these guys" also nice to see you're back!

[@-TriP-]

Not to necro this comment or anything but the patent isn't on the "idea of two worlds" (a patent like that would never be granted) but rather on how they implemented it in The Medium by basically running two instances of the game simultaneously rather than relying on the old "shifting" technique or a standard split-screen. Which was neat and all, but also a huge waste of system resources. I see very little reason for other devs to want to implement this technique into their games.

[@Ozku9]

0:50 Akshually "Sweet Home" was the first survival horror game... I know where the door is.

[@Blackhawk19892]

Please. Colossal Cave the text adventure was the first true survival horror...

[@ZoidbergForPresident]

Half way through the video I was saying to myself: "Well, that's a LOT of coincidences". Then there was the patent... Screw Bloober Team.

[@ZoidbergForPresident]

It's to note that the patent isn't necessarily for the gameplay mecanic (which is impossible to my knowledge) but on the technical implications.

[@sunlitsonata6853]

Welp, they’re officially making the Silent Hill 2 Remake. Silent Hill fans are officially the most suffered video game fanbase.

[@PsevdonimKanalaNahuy]

Wtf? It looks good,they dont need to copy anything.

[@KABLAMMATS]

@@PsevdonimKanalaNahuy it doesn't lmao

[@user1point0]

Someone played Layers of Fear and said "Konami, hire this man" and so history set its course

[@tennisthelegend]

im really confused because layers of fear is a great game with great reviews so does the observer

[@anenemystand5582]

@@tennisthelegend great reviews does not make a great horror game. It speaks more to the absolute state of the scene that people settle for this trite

[@dunetiger]

@@tennisthelegend horror without any stakes or any reason as to why the horror is happening in the first place makes for, well, very bad horror. Layers of Fear is just a bunch of nonsense happening for little reason or logic that isn't to be questioned because "ooh, horror, anything can happen, oooo". It's terrible. So are the rest of their games.

[@ladambell]

"Omelette du homage" broke me

[@coffeevie]

They definitely seem like the type of company that would say something like “Well for Chronos Twins that was on two DIFFERENT screens, ours is on ONE SCREEN. TOTALLY different concept. 100% original. No similarity at all”

[@braxtron5555]

tbf, patents are awarded based on explicit originality in whatever explicit context can be claimed

[@SoloMael]

Now they managed to get on Konami's payroll to officially develop Silent Hill, guess they admired their methods

[@baroquechevalier8516]

The gameplay split screen thing isn't even that innovative Remember Siren Blood Curse?

[@poobumbutt]

Oh, man. Siren BC came out the year after Chronos Twins, still predating the creation of Bloober as a developer. (At least) Two legitimate possibilities for where they cribbed from. Very cool, Bloober.

[@GeezyLoves420]

True. Also its two player but A Way Out has a very fluid splitscreen mechanic as well.

[@meldondglord7930]

You see both worlds at the same time in Bloober Team's game. This is trully unique. Nobody done that before.

[@daniel_Keelh]

@The Amazing Man 666 NO

[@daniel_Keelh]

@@aliasmcgames All of you are lying XD

[@MelodicCascade]

Thank you for being so considerate with your jumpscare warnings, it was so refreshing to get to watch an informative horror video without having to look through my fingers!

[@tovsteh]

LOL this truly must be the biggest soy boy channel I have ever come across

[@tovsteh]

@Bloody Pulp I doubt it.

[@mr.j7553]

It doesn't have anything to do with fortitude of a person, they are triggers and called jump scares for a reason not simple scares. It's regrettable people think so primitively about psychology.

[@kerank4157]

@@mr.j7553 why even watch a video on a game with jump scares if jump scares are too much for you???

[@JAGMASK08]

@@kerank4157 because the themes and stories within may be interesting??

[@magicrainbowkitties1023]

It's funny how Layers of Fear relied so heavily on visuals and surrealistic terrain, and had the narrative reflect the nature of art and artists, as well as how so many artists feel like they can only do good work while in pain, while also having to copy so much without making it work fully in context. I will say though that the walls closing in whenever you turn around, the black swirls of death, and the identical laughing paintings in one of the endings really stuck with me and are something I always have in the back of my mind whenever I work on my own paintings (which are, coincidentally, surrealist horror based on mental illness and the imagery associated with Lovecraftian cosmic horror)

[@blank4227]

sounds like they made a good horror game! crazy

[@OhThatNK]

Ughh this is so scummy. Like you said there's a difference between homage and plagiarism but DAMN even that melty face painting??? The split screen, the way they've implemented it for an "other world" looks more obnoxious than anything but them patenting it means no one could improve the format. Also I've said this before on twitter but I love hearing Rachel in your videos. She's really fun.

[@rustycheeseknife]

What frustrates me most is that there are so many realms where you can't re-post someone else' work without running into some kind of copyright red tape. Yet you get some companies or developers that are somehow immune and nobody asks any questions. Those companies are, somehow, just allowed to do whatever they want to and nobody bats an eye.

[@fattiger6957]

Yep, they get away with all this, yet 3d Realms was forced to change their game's name from Ion Maiden to Ion Fury because Ion Maiden vaguely sounds like Iron Maiden, a heavy metal band named after a medieval torture device.

[@PhobosBFG]

i chalk it up to being different mediums, the fact Max Payne 3 almost copy pastes the movie Man on Fire's chromatic aberration and glitchy aesthetic along with the protagonists alcoholism and a couple other similarities is almost uncanny.

[@thechugg4372]

@@PhobosBFG and yet Gods and Monsters has to be renamed because they don't want to confuse a video game with an Energy Drink.

[@liamosullivan6580]

We love a video with extensive citations

[@alexmoon3844]

I agree. It really is appreciated.

[@lazycouchman]

I'm so sad they got the remake of Silent Hill 2. The only positive I can see out of this situation is maybe, possibly! they mess up such a high profile game and everyone sees how terrible they are, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[@Revealingstorm.]

I'm hoping the silent hill 2 remake fails and the one being made written by the writer Higurashi and Umineko succeeds so more people see how genius a writer Ryukishi07 is

[@tennisthelegend]

theyre gonna make it great

[@blank4227]

nothing in this video said they make terrible games, it just said they did easy knockoffs and use.... public domain artwork... the horror

[@ViviTheEnbyWitch]

fast forward a year later and now they apparently are making an actual silent hill game god damn

[@tnykuuh]

Well Konami has now a partnership with Bloober Team...they couldn't stoop so low...

[@Haedox]

I’m about halfway through rn and I always am seriously blown away by the clean editing. Love it!

[@michaelandrews117]

And now Bloober Team are being touted to make the next Silent Hill game. Fucking kill me.

[@suli559]

🔫😶

[@SirBlackReeds]

Clearly, this was the endgame the entire time.

[@JeanMarceaux]

The next Silent Hill game already exists, it's called Lost in Vivo

[@tylerblair318]

Seeing the logo for Bloober Team working on a Silent Hill game was the worst thing that's happened since COVID.

[@TheSolBlader]

I had the rona already before, I bet the SH2 remake will be more painful

[@UncleanSpirit]

Girly men

[@drlostcause4427]

@@UncleanSpirit malewives

[@_Obey_]

Nah

[@DWOBoyleMusic]

The "inspiration" stuff is kinda whatever, but the big messed up thing is the patent trolling.

[@Game-Geki]

Using Overblood as an example for a RE copy is a little unfair. Whilst it's generally considered an RE knock-off, it actually only came out 6 months after RE and was in dev before RE came out. Riverhillsoft was also in the horror game business before Capcom with Doctor Hauzer. It's better to say both Riverhillsoft & Overblood are Alone in the Dark knock-offs, rather than RE.

[@Neremworld]

Japanese Survival Horror actually descends from an older survival horror game called Sweet Home, by the way. ALone In The Dark was surprisingly not the originator!

[@einwolt]

I'm pretty sure this happened in the Konami meeting room "heh let's get back on kojimbo by making the dev who ripped off his game the dev for SHF"

[@TrevorNWhite]

I call games that come out to make up for ones that didn’t “cope games.” But yeah, while I played Layers of Fear before PT and so didn’t catch most of those lifts, I was pretty astonished by the Se7en “homage” in LoF2, especially since that and the rest you pointed out don’t even attempt to make sense or be distinguished in context. I’d disagree about Observer, though; cyberpunk is a broad genre with that aesthetic beyond Blade Runner, and the choice to make it Eastern European-influenced instead of Japanese is genuinely unique in my opinion. Also, I can’t fault Bloober for tipping their hats to a fellow Pole, especially since I’ve seen other Polish artists do the Z.B. style in their work (not that whataboutism makes it necessarily better, though, I suppose).

[@thebreadcircus]

Deus Ex: Mankind Divided came out over a year earlier than _observer, and it is set in Eastern Europe. It fits with the thesis of this video, IMHO. I do really, really like _observer regardless. _observer certainly seems to have borrowed a lot of inspiration from DX:MD.

[@szlagtrafi9115]

I’d disagree with many allegations in this video. I wouldn't read too much into it as the author of the video does. The problem is that all of the games are derivatives of other games to a much higher extent than you would think. Some are simply plagiarism. Take for example all of these house flipping simulators. I didn't play these but I saw a few gameplay demos - they're all basically the same. However I can see subtle differences that make one game playable and the other - not so. And that is all that matters - these details. You can make a great game but leave one annoying detail in it. Other developers will use your idea but will eliminate this detail (because they understood that it was causing problems) and it is them, not you, who will succeed. Evolution and natural selection - that's what it is. Comparing Marianne and Anna to each other and suggesting that it is some kind of plagiarism is plain stupid - they could have selected any actress for the role of Marianne. But they picked the one we can see in the video, so what? This leads to conclusion that it's plagiarism? Strange, at least. What's next? When we see that a game is an FPS shall we conclude that it's derived from Doom, or better yet Wolfenstein 3D? An additional problem with horrors is that the creators have a very limited number of creative means at their disposal. Basically, when you hear horror what do you think of? It's got to be dark, there has to blood and nightmares and so on... but it's very hard to think of something completely new... what, a scary fog or a scary angel? Who would be scared of fog and who would take seriously a scary angel? All the known scary things are so imprinted in the players minds that it's difficult to think of something else that would not be immediately funny or stupid. If it was imprinted in a movie or another game earlier - that's even better. PS. I don't particularly like horrors, I don't like to be scared.

[@darthvaderreviews6926]

@@szlagtrafi9115 Steven King wrote an entire book about the concept of scary fog ("The Mist" IIRC) and while the Weeping Angel is not a 1:1 angel concept it became an extremely iconic and viral idea in horror. Of course debunking your two examples doesn't prove that innovation in horror is possible, so I would point to, well, relatively recent releases that have gone viral like Amnesia or Five Nights & Freddy's that, while not 100% original (nothing is and nothing has to be) did present their own unique experiences that inspired others. I'm not sure where "Marianne" and "Anna" have come from here, maybe it's a localisation difference? Are you talking about P.T's "Lisa" and Layers of Fear's "The Wife"? Regardless picking the same actor is of course not grounds for plagarism (and certainly not legally, this video never argues Bloober Team did anything _legally_ wrong) but there's a *LOT* more similarities this video points out. Your point about improvement is moot as I don't see any area where Bloober improved upon previous products except in cases like P.T. where they took advantage of the product not existing anymore. If The Wife hadn't ripped Lisa's kill animation and the "don't look behind you" idea this video would've probably never been made as the P.T inspiration wouldn't be feeling like it was TOO heavily copying the exact same format as P.T. It's not just one thing being picked out here, it's a consistent pattern. I think Bloober have gotten better over time and I sincerely hope they move on to more original works in future (after all the referencefest that was LoF2 flopped hard) but them patenting the two worlds thing is a HUGE red flag.

[@JeanMarceaux]

i WISH THERE WOULD BE A COPE GAME FOR ROUTINE

[@JeanMarceaux]

"make it Eastern European-influenced instead of Japanese" It's literally Half-Life 2

[@steampunkerella]

also weren't there like 15 "light world/dark world" games that came out in the 2000s that did this exact same shit

[@gargamellenoir8460]

I think their patent is specifically when you can see both worlds at the same time on the screen. Still bullshit though.

[@HayabusaZero]

@@gargamellenoir8460 And even that is like...only cool the first time it happens, and only for the first few seconds. Doing it all the time feels really weird.

[@Philmriss]

rewatching this (again) due to current *events* is fairly cathartic

[@PastelGrandpa]

And now these people are making the Silent Hill 2 remake… lovely

[@tennisthelegend]

cant wait its gonna be great they have passion for it and have great writers

[@QuoththeRav3n]

hey bob thanks for the advance warning on jumpscares i really appreciate it as someone who's really jumpy

[@jules47127]

I never heard of Blooper team until the Silent Hill 2 remake's announcement. Now I understand all the shade people give it in the reaction vids.

[@XenomorphK5]

makes sense that they were tasked with copy and pasting silent hill 2 now

[@krikwahmmett4681]

Watching this in 2022 after it's been announced that Bloober Team is remaking Silent Hill 2 got me like 🙃🙃🙃

[@reedjos08]

The rythmic way you say great and cool and neat and good as the words appear in time with your vocie and the music is some of the best editing in a video essay I've ever seen. Deserves an award and I'm not even kidding.

[@olivergeib8036]

You have no idea how excited I was to see this in my subscription box. Every new video from you is like an early Christmas present.

[@xNachtmahRx]

Makes Downpour look like a masterpiece. And now Pooper Team are releasing a SH2 demake...

[@thechugg4372]

Finally Silent Hill 2 on the PS3, how long have I waited for this!

[@jonathangrover3176]

Thanks for this, I’m going to call it a Demake from now on

[@powerbelly211]

We ALL felt like bloober team was the worst choice when the rumours started. I’m not too impressed with the trailer for sh2 but I’ll give it a shot day 1. Just to support the silent hill revival.

[@OperatorMax1993]

and the worst part of all is they're already spoiling that James has done something he's not proud of, and instead of having him calm and collected in the intro where he's in the bathroom, he just looks already depressed and sweaty in the original, he was calm since he thinks it's obviously not possible for a dead person to write a letter and he's going in a place that doesn't seem so hostile but kind of peaceful (until the first encounter with the lying figure)

[@bigboy-qi7sf]

damn you fuckin got em man

[@PhilipMller]

This aged well.

[@BathrobeHero]

They say 'fake it until you make it' and well, they did get what they wanted, silent hill, I'm not too excited to see the future of this franchise

[@tennisthelegend]

i swear silent hill fans are never happy

[@KeithBallardA]

Hoo boy, it's one thing to not be particularly creative. It's a whole other to use the power gained via a dearth of creativity to then squash out future creativity that others may bring to the table.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Oh, that move with patenting split screen really gotta backfire on them.

[@MrGreenYeti]

This video came into my recommended and makes me even more worried for the SH2 remake rofl

[@kezisthename]

they really took the SH otherworld and said "thats ours now" holy sheesh

[@johnadams9514]

Anyone here after bloober team got hired to make the silent hill 2 remake? 😂 Utterly ridiculous. What a soulless cashgrab. At least we’ll have RE4R to look forward to

[@alphaecho3094]

Bloober team strikes me as eerily similar to games workshop and Disney. Building their success on the ideas of others then being fiercely protective of their own "creations"

[@inventor4279]

Wish you would've made this video after the medium, in the game they hint suicide is the only exist for abuse victims and that pedophiles aren't responsible for their actions

[@biscuitboi9478]

Wow, this got recommended right after the SH2 remake reveal

[@igodreamer7096]

And now (2022) after the announcement from Konami, they're in charge of the remake of Silent Hill 2: the most acclaimed, recognized and loved survival horror game in gaming history. As far I'm happy for the return of Silent Hill in the console/PC game scene, the fact that Konami called Bloober team it's very concerning to me.

[@jimjam9387]

And on the other end of the token, the RE4 remake looks so good in comparison. Don’t know what KONAMI is thinking.

[@anenemystand5582]

@Jim Jam what they're thinking is clear. Bloober team made a string of well reviewed games that people have compared to silent hill. It makes sense from business. Even if we don't like their games they did well

[@cookiedoodle5582]

I wish this video had more views... It's really well-made and puts an important spotlight on a questionable company!

[@kylemclean-bailey8605]

And we live in the hell timeline where Bloober team is remaking SH2. there is no god

[@swivelhipsmith]

Came by to rewatch this after the news. Absolutely crestfallen.

[@killyridols72826]

And now Bloober is making a SH2 remake, Konami could've just give the license to JapanStudio (some people from Team Silent went there) Maybe that SH2 remake will be a good game, but I don't expect it to be a good survival horror not even a decent SH game, Bloober knows nothing about horror

[@TerebikunDayo]

Japan Studio was disbanded time ago so doesn't matter anyways.

[@regularshowman3208]

The patent trolling is especially rich, because honestly, I think Konami would have a decent case against Bloober if ever they wanted to sue for that PT Jumpscare ripoff. The sheer arrogance seeping from that quote too... I already didn't like Layers of Fear, but now I *really* don't like Layers of Fear, or its developer, for that matter.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

Instead Konami's like "Hey make Silent Hill 2 Remake for us" lol

[@regularshowman3208]

@@ADreamingTraveler Literally no faith in Silent Hill 2 R. Looking forward to Silent Hill f instead.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

@@regularshowman3208 Same f looked so much better

[@thechugg4372]

@@ADreamingTraveler it looked better because they didn't show anything lmao

[@derpho]

And now they do a Silent hill 2 remake. Please kill me already. This already looks like shit. But it looks like shit for all the wrong reasons.

[@monkas4345]

Konami and Blooper Team, name a more iconic duo

[@Saruman11111]

And now they can actually copy paste with their new Silent hill 2 remake, great stuff

[@occularmalice]

Given the fact these guys were just announced as the developers of the new Silent Hill 2 Unreal Engine 5 remake this video is so appropriate.

[@MillywiggZ]

That two worlds concept, I swear there was a recent prison break game with that concept.

[@tonypeppermint5329]

Yeah! I'm pretty sure games with split screen could fit on the list.

[@aniforprez]

are you talking about "A Way Out"? if so I don't think they're similar in this way. in that game you were controlling two distinct characters and you could play co-op. the concept for this bloober game is quite different. you are essentially a single character but simultaneously in both worlds

[@MillywiggZ]

aniforprez : I see. Had this false memory that one person was free and the other in prison but you controlled both in the same fashion as the Bloober games footage.

[@aniforprez]

@@MillywiggZ AFAIK both escape at the same time but don't want to spoil it any further. it's a neat game with neat ideas but the story isn't 100% successful

[@Vilonu]

There's this game called Cris Tales which has you playing in the past, present and future simultaneously. It's implemented pretty differently to how Bloober's game has but I wouldn't be surprised if they were also "inspired" by it

[@qweryqwery2]

Thank you for how you handled the jump scare. Really, I genuinely mean that. It might seem like a small thing, and maybe I'm just being oversensitive to them, but it feels really considerate on your end towards people who don't handle them well :D

[@s0cialhunter107]

The funnies part to me is that P.T was probably going to be third person with some fps moments and like actual combat in the game but nah rip offs be like "brooo walking in circles sss!!"

[@fanerv3304]

Patenting in video game insustry is the worst and most greedy move you can do.

[@Nightmarewrath]

Outside of Silent Hill f (because it's being done by an apparently really good story writer Ryukishi07) guess there are "Fates worse than Death." You think after botching the series giving it to oversea developers, that Konami would've at least tried to give it to a Japanese studio (Kojima Productions was the closest) to learn their lesson by now.

[@jeremydellinger4078]

I can't believe I missed this vidfeo when you posted it. I always love to see your videos, thank you Bob!

[@RavenAstralis]

And now they are working on the Silent Hill 2 Remake. Fuck......

[@raggedyexynos9487]

They gonna botch SH2 remake

[@MajorK99]

I agree.

[@spencersmith9838]

This video might get more views cause of the Silent Hill 2 remake announcement

[@MrBeetsGaming]

I haven't finished the video but to be fair the lady in PT especially her movement was very similar to a LOT of horror movies.

[@smeepUCA]

We are getting another dog shit SIlent HIll game arent we

[@nakedbeekeeper9610]

Yep. As someone who kinda enjoyed the first Layers of Fear, I'm not very enthusiastic about them working on a SH game. These guys can make aesthetically compelling scenes but story wise, they are deeply flawed. I expect a nicely packaged cringe fest that won't be able to hold a candle to the first four SH games.

[@ADreamingTraveler]

Yep Bloober Team developed Silent Hill 2 Remake. Hey they love copying things so maybe the remake won't be that bad...I hope

[@FerVilla98]

...and they are now working on the Silent Hill 2 Remake.

[@timmer919hep]

...and now they're remaking Silent Hill 2...one of the best horror games of all time. I dont wanna live on this planet anymore.

[@obiser]

super well done video. great editing, jumpscare warnings and sources! for ALL the videos! i felt that the melting boy piece was similar to the ark scene but i wasn't aware it was halfway straight up copy-pasted. i will say that one game that didn't deserve to be in this video would have to be source #9. i will admit that the creepy old lady felt contrived when i first watched the trailer a while ago, but honestly, The Peterson Case (now called Once Upon a Time In Roswell) tackles a horror niche that, and i am still shocked at this revelation, i have NEVER seen been done in any video game: a first person extraterrestrial horror. i would understand if the game fell under the "lacking originality" category, but i swear to god, i have never seen the overall idea of the game done before. i get why you put it in there. i'd just like to let people know that Once Upon a Time In Roswell is much, much more interesting than this video may let on.

[@VTorner]

...And now they're responsible for a remake of Silent Hill 2. If that whole situation doesn't scream everything that is wrong with horror games or gaming in general, I don't think what will.

[@MasterVenik]

And these are the guys in charge of making the Silent Hill 2 Remake..... we are fucked, guys

[@Matt_19-89]

You're probably asking yourself why they gave this "team" of copycats the job of remaking one of the most influential games of all time instead of someone that has repeatedly proven that's quite capable to remake games decently like Bluepoint I presume. Well, as it turns out Bluepoint remastered the metal gear games on PS3, problem is that it ended up costing too much so when it came to remaster the silent hill games they went with Hijinx studio, safe to say it was a disaster for a variety of reasons. They never cared for the franchise, they never cared for the fans, stop trusting Konami, and don't trust these posers at Bloober team.

[@hieunguyenrileygekko]

lets be real Konami hires Bloober because budget for a Polish studio (and Eastern European in general) isnt high same thing happened to Downpour with the dev from Czech

[@spindleclown]

So glad to see someone pointing all of this out. I see a ton of praise for their games, especially Layers of Fear, despite all of them being stolen content upon stolen content.

[@blank4227]

under le capitalism, everything is le stolen content. as a communist I am a staunch defender of copyright

[@nolanschotanus2769]

And these are the people allegedly making a silent hill 2 remake...

[@shirakenpsyop6843]

The composer for Observer had my music on his inspiration playlist on Spotify. Thinkin maybe I should check out that OST. You know, just to see. Fucking dumb Bloober is getting to remake one of the best horror games ever made.

[@PaulBroekemeier]

I don't think it was a reference to Rubber Johnny, it was probably a reference to the Hills Have Eyes. Also the photoshop of the Indiana Jones screen-grab I think is fine. The only thing I really had a huge issue with was the patent.

[@ennayanne]

how is it fine? that's called tracing

[@igodreamer7096]

This "patent over game mechanics" is another thing that is and will continue to handicap games in the future. It's bizarre, ridiculous and fraudulent. I mean, how is allowed to how hostage ideas or concepts now? 1984 wasn't a book, it was a manual to prepared ourselves!

[@firstnamelastname4331]

Man... Thank god they're not working on a remake of a highly iconic horror game now... *sigh* Thanks for this video, I was wondering how to describe what didn't sit well with me in regard to their titles. This copy pasting explains why i've always felt their horror comes off as superficial and mostly focusing on visuals that are "neat" but lack substance.

[@ReginoGuendolinoXIII]

Supposedly konami are keeping them on a "short leash" whatever that means. Can you believe that we live in a world where we have to have faith in fucking konami out of everyone? If anything it'll be a funny trainwreck.

[@firstnamelastname4331]

@@ReginoGuendolinoXIII heh, yeah. strange times indeed. At the least I do think it'll be an ok modern horror game, it'll just lack the nuances that elevated the original to greatness. Oh well, we'll get what we get I suppose.

[@tadaokou4919]

@@ReginoGuendolinoXIII Well, everything we saw in the trailer very much looked like full-on Bloober Team, so the leash is probably not short enough. xD

[@sonthanh8374]

lol now bloober got to remake silent hill, ironic

[@Jonipoon]

You should do a follow-up video to this one now that it's been officially confirmed that Bloober Team is developing the Silent Hill 2 remake. God help us...

[@uw0tm838]

Blooper team

[@brokenice9471]

Now Bloober is actually working on the silent Hill 2 remake 🤦‍♂️

[@lifelesscorpse7365]

And they are making Silent Hill 2 remake now..........

[@Jolis_Parsec]

I just noticed since I’ve been playing Resident Evil Remake on my Xbox recently as part of the holiday season, that the Assault Shotgun Chris and Jill can get hold of from saving Richard with the serum when you encounter him bears more than a passing resemblance to the shotgun wielded by “Chris” on the original game’s cover art, which is a neat nod since in the original game, the only shotgun you get your hands on is Lord Spencer’s one that’s hanging on the wall in the parlor on the ground floor of the eastern side of the mansion. Just thought I’d say that given the cover art caught my eye at 0:30.

[@MrsNeuroticoctopus]

Great video as usual! I do like the general pivot towards more interesting video essay-y stuff, and the look towards smaller AA indie games really is neat! the editing is stylish as all give but I do think it gets a bit bogged down in a different sort of microsope. I think in trying to make the jump from bloober team's 2006 to 2012 (ish) work you kind of bury the lede here in trying to make that connection, especially after these people arae making the jump from ios shovelware to notabli9ish) indie games with a partial vision behind them! I feel like it's right there that you sort of bury the lede that this is(!) a smallish indie studio and that maybe their work deserves at least some added consideration considering the general ramping up of ideas and stakes. while you did a good job of setting up the point that good work borrows heavily from the visions and are deeply inspired by other work, once you set that up the whole question really becomes whether or not they succeed on their own merit, and I didn't really get the sense that that was properly show in the latter half of the video. I'd love to hear your thoughts on this and mayvbe hear you go on about your thoughts on the observer , and how layers of fear fails at the whole thing it's trying to do.

[@writheagainsoon]

And now they've been given the reigns to remake arguably one of the best horror games ever. A game they ripped off so horribly it showed their clear lack of understanding of Silent Hill. 🙃🙃🙃

[@YoshiONE2ONE]

As someone that's not a huge Silent Hill fan, I wanted to see what all the commotion was about with Bloober Team since they're in charge of the remake. Oh............ ........oh no............... I'm sorry SH fans you deserve far better than this lmao

[@anenemystand5582]

This isn't even the worse part. The worse part is that they tend to handle trauma as delicately as a drunken demolitionist. The medium (hopefully unintentionally) kinda says "hey victims of abuse are broken people who will hurt others and you can't save everyone so might as well kill yourself.

[@Hoshi82]

And now they're doing Silent Hill 2 Remake... But hey, they can copy/paste officially now, right?

[@Braindawgs00]

Hopefully they just copy/paste the whole original game into unreal and don't change a thing about it, besides the graphical changes of course.

[@Hoshi82]

I am actually worried as it's a remake and not a remaster. They surely force their ideas (or from others as we saw in the video ^^) into that game.

[@Horatio787]

@@Hoshi82 Looking forward to the people who made The Medium handling Mary's letter...

[@Aycheffe]

@@Braindawgs00 no the graphics are whats gonna make it shitty. people are going out of their way to make games look like SH1+2 now because the asthetics are a big part of whats scary about those games. SH2's horror is purely in it's atmosphere, there's no chance Bloober will outdo the original in almost any way. Get ready for some seriously spooky glossy water puddles in the remake though

[@germankeks1]

noone tell this guy they are doing the silent hill 2 remake