BODY CAM: American Fork police find two of Ruby Franke's daughters during her arrest (reupload)

[@kellywilliams1999]

In all of these interviews that have been published this afternoon not one person who is detained or questioned asked if the children were okay. Not one.

[@SweetlyHome]

It's absolutely enraging and utterly heartbreaking. The fact that Pam's husband said the thing that "Gets him" is that his wife is detained in handcuffs in a squad car. Meanwhile he was just told that the girls mom was arrested for child abuse. These people are absolutely unbelievable.

[@truecrimeobsessed1015]

No one cares just sickening

[@darlenewesley7299]

Yes and that is disgusting. The father had not seen his kids in over a year. What kind of a father is he? He should never be allowed near those kids , he abandoned them . He knew what was going on and did not report it.

[@ThatGirl-tg7wd]

​@SweetlyHome their perceptions are absolutely in line with how their delusional religious cults work. No surprise at all

[@ubettershakethatgroovethang]

it's the same people who tout the whole "save the children" spiel too, in reality they don't care whatsoever. sickening

[@deniseantley9980]

It's amazing how all the parties involved have their attorneys on speed dial

[@sokuntheakruy5416]

😅

[@athensmajnoo3661]

Money speaks.....

[@lb7133]

Exactly! You read my mind, I don't even know a lawyer LOL!!!

[@Mfdoorway]

In fairness to him, at least he didn’t answer the door already on the phone with them… Edit: honestly the more I watched the dude didn’t seem to be hiding anything just a little nervous of police and wants to know. His wife wasn’t so clear

[@zm987]

Hahaha lol

[@emeraldblue5291]

Ruby has 6 kids. 2 are in college & dont speak to her. 2 are found at her biz partner, Jodi's, home (a few hours away) abused and starved. These two teenage girls are found at her 3rd biz partner's home being used as housemaids, too terrified to speak, in yet another part of the state. Strange all rhe way around.

[@fashizzlemanizzle4808]

How are they business partners? Please explain what you know about Pam and Ruby Frankie’s business dealings I hadn’t heard about this yet.. but I mean admittedly I haven’t really kept up with, or generally know, anything about this whole situation..

[@Rita-nx6fg]

You bet it is. Coincidentally, we're having company from Costa Rica?

[@triciastewart5529]

With I'd seen this before i posted. There to clean her house and visitors fro Puerto Rico sounds super dodgy.

[@UndersackitchFungalbollock]

@@triciastewart5529 Costa Rica

[@mella7161]

@@fashizzlemanizzle4808Pam Said it in this video

[@jenniferbate-mz3yl]

This female cop needs an award for keeping the husband calm and talking calmly!

[@betha5539]

She really needs to get a bonus. She is on top of this situation and handles everything and everyone perfectly.

[@mariecomer209]

Yes, she is incredible!!!

[@ilive2love659]

Her de-escalation skills are top notch great job keeping him calm 👏🏼 👏🏼👏🏼

[@whatsaygirl1507]

​ Is this rare for you to see??😲😳

[@1505yonni]

@@whatsaygirl1507 i think they were simply giving credit where it’s due. Is that rare for you to see?

[@piscea0229]

The fact that Ruby’s kids are all silent in front of all of law enforcement is a huge red flag 🚩

[@lilmsmunchkin84]

It’s not really. The one thing people are constantly told is don’t say anything unless you have a lawyer or parent/guardian How many of these videos have you watched where people make comments saying “don’t say anything unless you have legal advice” I’d tell my kids the same thing

[@Skitdora2010]

They are strangers. The red flags should have been people watching them with the mother and I heard she had complaints with her social media videos with how they interacted.

[@AZGloss]

Parents generally teach kids to see law enforcement as the good guy and you should always trust them. Why a child would be afraid of law enforcement is telling. They likely know their siblings have been b3ing tortured and figuref out its day of reckoning

[@rubyoro0]

Who the h tells their little kids to stay quiet until you have a lawyer present?

[@stephi1311]

yes, you have the right to remain silent. but she isn't just staying silent - she's staying stark still and emotionally guarded, and its eerie.

[@tannascreative6130]

Why is this couple not shocked that their friends are being accused of child abuse?

[@St.JohnWort]

There are a lot of priorities right now such as one of them being detained, the husband wondering why his wife was being detained, and when they heard they are involved in a criminal investigation regarding child abuse they were probably wondering how much they were implicated.

[@soniasbooks]

I think they are shocked and that’s why there’s not much of a reaction.

[@boost91]

Not even SLIGHTLY concerned even!

[@poi4ever121]

The two girls were with their mom and Jodie when the little ones were being abused. I would guess they told Pam and husband. So the couple are distancing themselves like crazy. He pretends to be a doddering idiot and all Pam has ever done was make jam and salsa and feed kids ice cream. Horrible culture.

[@crystalball8805]

Because they believe in child slavery and are only concerned for themselves and not the children. They were getting free help through the overseers who were her parents.

[@Valencenliberty]

Never seen children sit so quiet she doesn’t even move a muscle These children have been severly abused

[@angelabarff4641]

That's o.k because it will All be minimized ,because these Agencies make up the arms , leg's ,and head of the Protected Empire of DCFS Worldwide !

[@mommav0107]

They look freaking terrified.

[@blazefairchild465]

They were told they could sit there.

[@Jessesgirl0307]

They've been told not to say a word by their mother. They're extremely abused. This poor girl probably knows what's going on. You'd think she'd be happy. Though she doesn't look to be starved like the littler ones. Which says a lot.

[@Txfreeandlovenit]

Can you imagine the lies they've been told about Sherry that they don't want to go stay with her.

[@donnahernandez655]

The fact that he gives her permission to rock in the chair tells me that she does not normally get to sit there.

[@suzzanimalchannel1030]

Thank you, I caught that too!! He’s guilty as sin. Those girls fear him and her so much. This is so sad. 😞

[@givemeahappyending]

@@suzzanimalchannel1030the more I sit here and watch her behavior around him the more I wonder what he’s done to her when his wife isn’t around.

[@jenniferunderwood951]

@@givemeahappyending that’s a frightening thought too.

[@emilywisby1975]

Literally made me sick when he gave her permission to sit and permission to rock! They’re clearly guilty as well.

[@Me_yup_7]

I swear

[@nfreal-mom]

He’s bothered that his wife is sitting in the back of a patrol car. What about the two innocent kids lying in a hospital bed because your wife’s “friend” is arrested for alleged child abuse. I’ve watched every single video on this case and nobody, absolutely nobody except the 911 caller and his wife, the first responders and law enforcement showed any shock or disbelief when hearing about how the children were found and the condition they were in. Unbelievable.

[@kristis.1602]

exactly never once did Ruby ask how the foster parents were treating her children never once did she take any responsibility or express any remorse for what she said she was brainwashed to do that is so ridiculous she keeps on crying about the situation that she's in and she doesn't want to put herself in those children's shoes that is so definite narcissist and I feel like this is a Jada Will Smith situation and her husband is probably feeling great being in control for once and she finally needs him

[@kookietherapy9398]

Wonder if they got paid for cleaning the house? The grass sure looks well mowed.

[@michellem1329]

It’s a US problem people just care about their own. No consideration for others outside their direct family.

[@Sara-iy3oz]

i also wonder why those sisters never did anything for their younger siblings! one of them has a phone. I also noticed what u said, Pam knew there was an abuse goign on because she immediately confessed about making them clean etc. If I just had my friends children come by and they helped me willingly with cleaning i would not mention this because it is not a remarkable thing, why did her let her go away w it! She is also the co founder of connextions if am not mistaken

[@thelastrebelshow1627]

I noticed the exact same thing. Makes you wonder how many other kids were or are being abused as a result of these women.

[@sandramary4]

"Your close friend's children were found malnourished and bound in a safe" . . . and not a flicker of surprise or concern or disbelief - something is very wrong! And the cops are all so super nice and professional and patient with them.

[@joyceanderson8648]

Too nice in this case. The man and woman here being questioned have no concern for the abused kids!!

[@sandramary4]

@@joyceanderson8648 Yes, you are right. How would most of us react to hear that our best friend had abused her children, but not a flicker of surprise and no concern at all. Horrible beyond belief!

[@Themoonsaballoon]

Sandramary- I totally agree, yet these people and no doubt others have got away Scot free?????? Evil!

[@sandramary4]

@@Themoonsaballoon Too true!

[@yvepeaceful8338]

They were getting free labor from her friend children of course she new about the abuse

[@LynetteA68]

Notice these children are trained to NOT talk to or trust police???

[@kelliintexas3575]

BOTH!

[@elainerivera4592]

Yes both I agree with you!

[@redlocculturetalk]

yup i can tell by the way the girl is standing she’s sweating and wants to say something or hopes the cop sees something . i’m glad the cop said out loud you don’t have to look at grandpa to know where your shoes are . she smart to say that outside cuz the camera couldn’t see that

[@ajf369]

Yes.. its disturbing

[@waves.of.change30]

It's a fear tactic fundamentalist use to control children, they tell them police and social workers are going to take them and abuse and brainwash them against their families. The kids are so scared, they imagine it will be WORST than what their parents are doing to them now

[@eeeeemeeee9047]

That guy is 1000% pissed that he isnt in control of the situation. He's getting a little to upset about a random minor child leaving his house.

[@dianethompson3483]

THAT is because she's not close to being random! A random child would've responded to the policewoman! This child has been indoctrinated to follow the rules! SHE knows she is chattel, better fed and treated than her siblings as long as she complies and follows the rules! How he could be a nurse and compartmentalize concern for THESE children!

[@nicemmmm]

⁠@@dianethompson3483i wonder if they abuse their kids from a young age to breed them for human trafficking. Like you said, she knows she is better off than her younger siblings as long as she does what she is told. It’s so terrifying & i wonder how many other adults houses Jodi sent her to to “scrub their floors”. I hope somebody, somewhere is looking into this couple & the biological father & anyone else involved. The more info i learn about this story the more sickening it gets.

[@SceneMarine]

@@dianethompson3483 Yeah, I thought the same, I guess when they get to the stage of obedience they finally get fed. So disturbing in every way.

[@stuffdownhitthefan9594]

​@dianethompson3483 I would not talk to the police because I know every word against me is used against me. I trust my family. They trust him.

[@stuffdownhitthefan9594]

He was upset that his wife was handcuffed and that the authorities were taking these kids. The girls were upset that they were leaving. They were crying and hugging the women, and they were confirming them and trying to make it smooth for the girls. You all are weirdos.

[@03LSUtigers]

Does anyone find it disturbing that these kids are lent out to scrub other peoples floors and clean their houses. The homeowner seems to think she’s entitled to the service. This is very strange to me.

[@GirlfromFinland]

I find it extremely odd and these ppl just behave like it was totally normal.

[@Kt-cn2rq]

Yeah it is weird. One thing to do chores to earn money at home but at other people houses. Seen some mow lawns for extra cash.

[@TheDameGames]

Um. Well. I cleaned my parents' friend's house a couple times when I was growing up. Dusting and mopping the floor, mostly. Had a lovely convo during and after, borrowed books, learned a lot from a very cultured woman, and definitely didn't feel lent out. It's pretty normal to ask your children to do favors or do them yourself for others, especially when say one of them just started walking after ankle surgery and they have company coming in from out of country that night (allegedly although they corroborated that independently). Doing favors or asking for favors isn't inherently evil. The lack of emotional responses these two had to what they were being told is. Pam was completely unsurprised about the abuse allegations. And the casual way that he lied about calling Greg? I was totally confused at how many Gregs this guy knew when all of a sudden a window-guy Greg showed up minutes after he called his attorney Greg. I'm not saying these two are saints - something is definitely off about them - and I am FAR from defending Ruby or Jody, but in general and in a HEALTHY way encouraging your children to help others fosters empathy in them. Getting money for a task isn't always the best reward.

[@GirlfromFinland]

@@TheDameGames Pam and her husband seemed pretty capable themselves and I think it’s completely different from let’s say help with moving and cleaning once in a while than just make kids regularly to clean your friends houses while they themselves are very capable.

[@TheDameGames]

@@GirlfromFinland Not saying I believe her 100%, but according to Pam, the girls were cleaning the basement while she did the main floor and they were going to ALL go pick tomatoes and ALL going to make salsa and they'd hung out a handful of times at each other's houses learning different home crafts. I'm sorry. With all the atrocities committed by this group, I don't think lending the children out as labor was one of them but we'll likely never know the truth.

[@gentleeyes]

This woman had these girls out of school scrubbing her floors. She should be serving time as well. She knew exactly what was going on.

[@blakeb9964]

Exactly! I didn't finish the video so maybe they ask but why hasn't anyone inquired yet why they're being used to landscape and clean the house? Was it to earn money? Or are they slaves?

[@danpedersen55]

First of all, they were homeschooled, they were picked up because Ruby rang her, and asked if she would, because of a family emergency. She took them out for ice-cream and they had lunch, before they all cleaned. It helps watching the whole video, before jumping to conclusions.

[@villanelle8888]

@@danpedersen55 I dunno, she said at 15:43 "I did *make* her scrub the floor and vacuum and stuff... but she did it of her own freewill". Well, which was it? She contradicted herself. 😡

[@nancyturnbough8609]

She picked them up from a pool as a favor, they spent the day with her. They got ice cream, ate lunch, helped her clean house. Next project was picking tomatoes and making salsa. In the past she has helped them with sewing projects and making jam. Those are alll normal activities and being with this lady and her grumpy old man was probably a relief.

[@danpedersen55]

@@villanelle8888 I think it was a very bad joke, she did say that but later on she said that she vacuumed upstairs, while the sisters were cleaning downstairs. To me it sounds like they're helping, not being enslaved. I found this, about the incident, and I think if there were any wrongdoing, she would have been charged. Bodtcher has not been charged with any crimes connected to this case and Springville Police say she fully cooperated with their investigation.

[@juliemorrison3450]

Officer: "Kids were found starved and locked in a safe." Husband: "ok, but you know what really bugs me? My wife sitting in your car in handcuffs."

[@annc.3908]

Don’t forget how ‘embarrassing’ it is there’s cops in the driveway…. Me me me The mentality of people is me first. Then the judgement that the dcfs worker isn’t wearing some 1000$ suit when she’s paid $14-$20 a hour… Plus kids respond better to humans not suits. Think outside your me box!

[@meaganconstable860]

I don't fault that man at all. My dad would not take kindly to my mom being in handcuffs knowing she did nothing wrong no matter what the situation is.

[@soniasbooks]

The kids’ situation is not right in front of him, and the accusation is so unlike anything he’s experienced, he’s not processing it.

[@robinpaula45]

Exactly!

[@Whol3NothaL3v3l]

@@meaganconstable860Too bad

[@taustin6524]

I just listened to the jail house calls from Ruby and when her husband tells her that “they got Abby and Julie”, she responds “how did they get them”…..Ruby knew exactly what she was doing when she called Pam (who lived in another area) to pick them up. These poor kids😪

[@jenniferunderwood951]

@@taustin6524 wow! Saying “they got Abby and Julie “ makes it sound like they were taken hostage by the police. Um. . I don’t think so.

[@cartergomez5390]

So confusing 🫤

[@tinawhite8835]

I've watched the father's interview, the mother's interview, Jodi's interview, and now this one, and not one of the adults asked how the children were doing. The only people who were concerned about the children were the neighbors who called 911, the EMTs, the police officers, the investigators. None of the adults actually involved with the children cares one whit.

[@squid1313]

Right!!! Mind blowing. Everyone is involved & was well aware ahead of time. They can't even ACT like they care. Disgusting

[@valeriekehrt7566]

That figures. Pure evil.

[@Amanda.Marie40]

Not even this husband asked !!!

[@Amanda.Marie40]

Or Pam she went oh didn’t even ask more about the kids 😢 pam was named in Rubys journals

[@KarenGrisham-u7r]

Not 🚫 one

[@Nat524Ricci]

Why are Pam and her Husband not upset, outraged, confused, asking questions, why they don’t seem to flinch when hearing the allegations? It’s just disturbing. All of it. And clearly Mom was pawning her kids off to friends of hers to make them do chores, scrub floors and clean. Sickening. Were these kids in school? Surely not. There is no redemption for anyone involved in harming children. Period. These people are SICK and delusional and evil.

[@brendatomlinson]

Maybe on August 30 school had not started yet.

[@destinyslure2496]

She said “ I did make her scrub the floors, she wanted to” I have company coming from Argentina was it? What is going on here?

[@mamabearblue5622]

Costa Rico

[@patsymc6717]

@@destinyslure2496 I truely believe these older people are honest hard working citizens trying to enjoy their retirement. They got too close to the Ruby gang and ended up with egg on their face😏🙃😢

[@MelBergeron-x2b]

I was wondering the same thing. You hear kids are locked in safes, malnourished and abused and you want to know why they are coming to your house. I would be so upset and asking if those other children are okay? Are they safe now? I would be freaking and crying over the harm done to those babies. Also the husband not allowing the child to step outside. These people are not innocent, their reactions show they know the kids are being abused

[@thebettersarah]

These mormon husbands are WILD. Its always "hows my wife" and never "hows my kids". Him and Kevin both

[@brookechiasson3680]

I totally agree and in the father's interview, even after what they had just told him she's been doing to his children.He said he loves his wife and stands by his wife.That made me sick to my stomach

[@paulogolive]

right

[@darlenemaple6462]

Didn’t even think about that!!

[@gregholden8812]

There it is...our lovely anti-Lds crew chiming in

[@amandaf4720]

@@gregholden8812 your cult sucks, get over it

[@SaxyT7]

The female officer watching the house….. absolutely an angel. Calm, kind, gentle, patient. She did everything to keep people calm, relaxed, as well as address the husband’s seriously misdirected concerns multiple times. I have no doubt her Spidey senses were tingling every time the husband was around but kept her calm the entire time. ❤

[@ellenhenderson6865]

Children don’t go to your house on their own free will to clean someone house. They are children.

[@havinghope6315]

Exactly. Whoever was like "Mom! May I please go to your friends' house so I can willingly scrub their floors?" Most kids don't even know their parent's friends, let alone even the names of their parent's friends.

[@courtneyko1466]

I grew up Mormon and its not uncommon to work for free. It's built into the culture to "serve". Especially since the husband had foot surgery and they are old. This is the way the community runs. Not child labor. I actually really appreciate the way I was taught to work hard but there is so much more wrong with the religion than that.

[@brendatomlinson]

@@courtneyko1466 I appreciate you explaining that aspect of the Mormon tradition. It does seem that the generosity of spirit could be abused by manipulative individuals however.

[@SyKnife]

@@courtneyko1466Pam is not too old or poor to hire an adult to do her own housework though. True “service” is helping elderly people, poor people, disabled people, etc who cannot help themselves and suffer without help. Pam actually said that “I made her scrub the floor”. This is not normal except within this culture that children are used in this way. Service for kids is not doing something an adult could easily pay for.

[@courtneyko1466]

@@SyKnife anyone who is Mormon or could be Mormon, meaning they are taking missionary discussions and learning the beliefs of the Mormon church, is considered worthy of service. I think Pam was talking tongue in cheek and not really literally. I think to a certain degree she knows that it's wrong to have your friend's kids clean your house like that but I am pointing out how this is very culturally normal. To outsiders it may seem like child labor but to us growing up in it, it never felt like we were doing anything that violated our human decency or childhood.

[@SVIIVII]

These people need to be investigated as well. Picked up her "good" friend's kids to have them clean their house? Zero concern when hearing about the child abuse allegations? They're all in some kind of child abuse cult it seems.

[@a.downing2791]

This is the real child exploitation happening all over the US. And much of it is endorsed and proliferated by a religious group/cult. They live by the tenets of “spare the rod, spoil the child” and “ honor thy father and mother” which to these religious fanatics mean to obey every command and every wish. The children will have a lifetime of healing after what they have endured. 😢

[@FeliciaDocgrand-k8z]

They're weird too

[@kringle-jelly]

I feel that, too. I also wonder if SA was discovered in this case (?) A horrible thought, but hiring out your children to business partners for free, basically, when they should be in school is sooo Sus.

[@dgatsf]

I believe Pam worked for Jodi.

[@loisfolk5492]

Bully you are.

[@AngelicaAngel888_]

He's not worried about his wife being detained in the backseat, he's worried about what she may tell the police. Something is off about them.

[@eattherich7782]

Exactly

[@marshapieroni6677]

Well, they ARE big buds with Hildebrandt, so...

[@ScootsMcPoot]

It's like a weird child abuse cult. I'd investigate the whole religion.

[@ScootsMcPoot]

LDS seems to have alot of weird things going on

[@marshapieroni6677]

Oh I think it's Franke they are buddies with

[@haleighc1]

This guy… what a way to make the kids feel even worse while you complain about your wife being in handcuffs, your sore ankle, and a cop car being in your driveway.

[@hairyscotman]

whomever pieced this together at KSL News should be given an award.....good job!

[@maribelishooked4378]

Maybe next time she’ll hire actual maids. These people make me sick

[@caryinky]

I actually thought the same!

[@melindalogan1016]

My brain keeps comparing the aggressively selfish behaviour of these two creeps to the concern and distress of the lovely neighbours whose house the son ran to for help.

[@barbaramccollum-sd8vi]

Yeah it's hard to watch...

[@dawndacquisto]

Really creepy and seems like they knew exactly what was going on, despite their protestations.

[@lacey1277]

That husband of the Connexions CEO absolutely knows what is going on with Ruby, and he's more concerned with appearances. What a creep. 😳

[@judithshelton5655]

Creeps is a good word

[@JennyLouLou]

I balled my eyes out just listening to the concerned husband and wife as they began process the horrors of what RF endured.

[@Cyndithia68]

This woman most definitely knew. They should have taken her in for more questioning. Allowing him to call Ruby was wrong, that could have put another child in danger. Watching this child’s reaction when she asked about her shoes tells me a lot.

[@nicolepsy]

It has come out that she's listed as President of Connexions. She 100% knows exactly what's going on and Kevin says there are documents to prove it.

[@carla89cc]

Ruby is a life coach. Teaching people how to be responsible she said.. omg

[@Dawn737]

"I did make her sweep the floor, but she did it of her own free will"? Which is it, lady: You made her or she volunteered? Later in the video, we discover that the girls have been there for hours cleaning this particular day and that this is hardly the first time.

[@mwilson70201]

If these American children have been abused by their own parents and acquaintances like imagine how the illegal migrants are treated. Biden has no soul.

[@paulinegallagher7821]

The way she so casually states 'She was coming to clean my house'. Like thats such a normal thing for a little girl to do, have a friggin slave job for someone else, she doesnt see anything remotely abnormal about having a kid scrub her floor. These people treat kids like literal slaves, right down to the shackles.

[@kintequeen25]

The fact that theres a second child in the home and he dont mention it is vey telling

[@leodylina841]

I am not trusting these two adults , something smells funky

[@stephendowling9050]

Pam is the President of the business, that's why she's not surprised or asks questions about the 2 young siblings. 😢

[@LynetteA68]

@@stephendowling9050and their are people in the comment section literally DEFENDING these two people!!! It’s literally insane!!

[@tangie06_33]

@@stephendowling9050 president of what business? Genuinely asking ... I'm not terribly familiar with all of this.

[@midnightvargas9835]

Shes the president of connections

[@jasestrickland1704]

@@LynetteA68they were found to have done NOTHING wrong. Nothing. If you hire domestic help and treat them well, that makes you guilty of NOTHING. What is wrong with all of you?

[@GrazerisMySpiritAnimal]

“Kids were found bound and malnourished in a safe, ok, but I am pissed my wife is in handcuffs in a police car in our driveway, it’s embarrassing” There is something very off with this entire group of people. Unbelievable.

[@beingblack]

Exactly what a lot of us are thinking, apparently. It's like they all look at kids as property or just free labor. How they're treated is incidental. Sad how they are all connected by religion, too.

[@goofydumbgoofyhobtch2765]

Exactly what I came here to say. Not one of them was surprised or concerned about the children

[@saddletramp9714]

Sure seems they would be upset even if its just a friends child.

[@CrowSpirit1977]

​@@goofydumbgoofyhobtch2765 Really.. the old man wasn't trying to protect the girl standing behind him? Better watch again!

[@goofydumbgoofyhobtch2765]

@@CrowSpirit1977 Took him an hour to not worry about the embarrassment of his wife being in a cop car. Also NOT ONCE did these people ask about the children who their friends were accused of abusing. Not even a little concerned. Not once did they say “that can’t be right”. Apparently didn’t their maid to leave huh?

[@snowwhite2524]

Those girls did not scrub the floor "of their own free will." They scrubbed the floor boards because they knew that they'd be punished by their psychotic Mother if they didn't. My heart breaks for all of those poor children. They deserved loving parents and safe homes.

[@Kinann]

Girl on the porch isn't afraid of the cops, she's afraid of her Mother!

[@Rosepetalscreations]

Exactly, she is also scared for her siblings I am sure.

[@kickinkrys1]

I think she is scared for her siblings. She probably knows some of what goes on with her parents.

[@average_life]

This is so triggering! Raised LDS, severely abused, taught that law/ police were bad. We were "pimped out" for free labor for babysitting, yard work, house work, put in terrible situations- all for the "glory and good image of my parents". When abuse (S, E, P) was discovered, no one came to help us. We were told the bishop knew, and that was enough. I hid their lies and abuse for too long! It took my years as an adult and therapy to finally fight. And now that i have repeatedly reported mine, siblings, and even current ongoing abuse nothing will be done. (With ample proof and documentation) The "church" has say and power over all of it. They are enmeshed in the law enforcement and CPS/DCFS. It is disgusting to watch this man act so entitled with no concern about the kids. I would guess that the older girls were being forced to work for these people, and others- just like R and E at Jodie's and the planned ranch in Arizona. There is too much to say or write. This is a huge issue, especially within "The LDS Church".

[@marshapieroni6677]

I wondered why they were over there scrubbing floors and she never mentioned paying them.

[@duancoviero9759]

🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@average_life]

It is normal to have to work for repentance, for punishment, working on getting them to complete 100% obedience and compliance. It is a very sick cult, that has hurt so very many people.

[@michellefregeau321]

I feel for you…… just keep taking good care of yourself! big hug from here

[@average_life]

@@michellefregeau321 Thank you, kind stranger. I am, and will! 💓

[@kaykeybear3334]

"The reason I am here is because DCF found Ruby's kids starving and locked in a basement ...." and then NO reaction from this guy!!! that's not a red flag signal... he's just a giant red flag!

[@kareninalabama]

And the fact that he was suspicious about the police taking the girls and talked about wanting to "protect" them from the police is also a big red flag.

[@davidt01]

@@kareninalabama Not really. If you had kids at your house and the police came and tried to take them away, you would be wary too.

[@JannieJannie-mm2kr]

​@@davidt01they arnt his

[@davidt01]

@@JannieJannie-mm2kr Yes exactly. If I had a neighbor's or friend's kids at my house, I would be extra protective because I have an obligation to the parents to protect them. In this case, the guy wasn't aware it was actually their own mother that was the problem.

[@RationalNon-conformist]

To be fair, he may have not believed it or understood it at the time.. shock, maybe.

[@charlottew8062]

Love how after he learns of the abuse he doesnt check up on the girl, he just talkes about his ankle feeling sorry for himself. Absolute no empathy or concern for anyone of them but himself. Also they hide one of the daughters for so long. Suspicious af

[@dawndacquisto]

A #1 Jerk imo

[@Litigator-4-life]

It makes me wonder how compassionate he was during his nursing career.

[@Desantisgogoboots]

@@Litigator-4-life Had this exact thought! These two are not to be trusted.

[@villanelle8888]

@@Desantisgogoboots Did you notice what his wife said at 15:43? "I did *make* her scrub the floor and vacuum and stuff... but she did it of her own freewill". she contradicted herself. 🤬

[@HelloNewMoon]

Bro needs his hard drive checked ASAP imo

[@msursa]

Waiting for him to finally admit there's another girl in his house. He waffles back and forth. The first girl shut that door pretty quick. Hiding behind him. Looking for permission from him to respond to the officer about shoes. "Friends from Costa Rica" ? Arrest that "nice" couple. Sounds like Trafficking 101.

[@mielimedina3146]

Every time the cops tell them they found children emaciated and locked up, these adults just casually respond, “ok”, like that wasn’t at all surprising to them.

[@AJ-ps2bw]

Agree! I would've been shocked and devastated!! Even more so having known the kids...

[@ceegee-gg6kr]

Ikr! Just an ordinary day for em😢

[@eglantinepapeau1582]

@@AJ-ps2bw like that old man who found the little kid emaciated in front of his doorstep , he was crying when he called the police , a normal reaction from a stranger that none of the adults involved in those kids lives seem to have .

[@ikecostner1]

Now we know the details of how bad it was, in that moment they have no idea what that really means and aren’t going to be able to immediately process it and react with emotion I can tell you’ve lived a very sheltered life

[@americanlivesmatter-BmanWild]

Cops: we knows what's best for these kids (shows up looking like they got thrown out of a biker gang) Husband : my house is nice isn't it Cops : do you know where human trafficking begins ?? Husband: not the foggiest idea Cops : *laughs to each other and fist bumps on the way out* Me: 🙏let us pray Good God maker of all good things in the universe , purge the land from demonic entities that would steal the true Jupiter Talisman symbol of peace from my pocket while saying "he doesn't get this back" (as I don't get stolen peace back ~ Saint)

[@marlenaayy1619]

It's so eerie that the girls don't even ask what's going on. They just sit in silence.

[@ZombieZebra3]

They probably had strict orders to not talk to anyone.

[@saltandpepper986]

Life of submission and fear. Trauma response.

[@curoseba5363]

Or she knows what’s going on

[@deVrieco]

They also wait to be told where to sit

[@rachelroush5285]

Children are property to be seen and not heard in most of these situations. She's been brainwashed to fear the government in any form and it's representatives especially police. While I agree that the government has its issues and not all police are good, this group is known for being a bit more extreme in its views. Even to thinking they are above the law and government. Unfortunately they use their religion and holy books as weapons.

[@auntkaz815]

I like how the female cop blows through the BS. Look, we already told you that we have a warrant to take the child into custody so either way she will be leaving with Springfield.

[@Piat65]

Barefoot or not

[@taniasantiago1199]

If u run we will chase you. There talking to each other. Watch them there going to run. I really feel for thoes grils. F the po po.

[@sugarplumfairy420]

What time stamp was that please?

[@xhandhele]

@@sugarplumfairy4201:12:48 the girl gets up to whisper to her sister

[@sugarplumfairy420]

@@xhandhele Thank you!

[@teresaromanski3925]

He tells the girl she can sit on the chair and rock if she wants to, sounds like she needed permission to do that... Who are these people?

[@michellemcguffin142]

The lady homeowner says they're good friends but never asked which 2 kids they found locked/bounded. BECAUSE SHE KNEW WHICH 2 KIDS IT WAS ALREADY.

[@ChrisBeech-j4r]

that's what I thought but no charges have ever been brought of them being complicit in anything

[@urloveros]

well the thing is that they had the two older girls with them in there house, and being friends with ruby would likely know that the two oldest kids were in college and not in contact with her... so that only leaves 2 other kids that would be the 2 that were found.

[@Shehatesme21]

​@rosalynties lol. I was thinking the same. I watched whole video and I don't think that they wanted to leave where they were.

[@rockersfromaz3001]

And why didn’t she ask if they were ok or how they were!!?

[@urloveros]

@@rockersfromaz3001that part is def strange, she very easily couldve just been in shock from everything else and not been able to process it tho. im not sure. she is oddly calm about that.

[@nannykat1057]

Who offers to pick up a friend's kid so they can come help her clean their house?!!! And Pam said, "I made her clean the floors...we're having guests." This is a child labor ring...and worse. Sickening.

[@jillijane9793]

The guests just so happen to be coming from Costa Rica..

[@lindylessard5804]

Does it matter where the guests are from?

[@kloee7254]

What’s up with both this lady and jodi having air bnb in their homes? are they clients from connextions coming to learn?? even ruby was searching for a home large enough to have air bnb

[@nannykat1057]

@@lindylessard5804 I didn't say it did; re-read my comment. I was stating her reason for having the girls 'scrub' her house for her....never mentioned the guests' origin. That has nothing to do with what's going on with these abused children.

[@crazy8PL]

She didn’t offer to pick the kids up, Rube Franke called her and said she had a family emergency and could she pick up the girls. She then said well I need help cleaning anyway as I have guests coming tonight from Costa Rica !

[@cheller8357]

Kudos to the female officer. She did a great job of keeping the situation deescalated by being polite, friendly and showing interest in the girls.

[@hectortirado367]

🐟😂🐟😂🐟😂🐟😂🐟😂🐟

[@shelliewilliams2750]

She was quite rude to the girl asking about shoes

[@christienelson1437]

She also didn’t know what they were detaining the wife for till later. I am guessing she would have been more formal with them if she thought they too could be abusing the kids.

[@christienelson1437]

@@shelliewilliams2750She didn’t know why the girl was wanted and likely expected the girl to go get her shoes. Not knowing she was possibly abused the young girls behavior can be considered defiant. Sad case.

[@nala5598]

She was rude af to the man several times, or did you miss that part because she tried to hide it behind open ended questions about the man like she actually cared? "Okaaayyy" patronizing and rude

[@w0nderl4nd93]

its wild seeing how these two sisters interact and having been abused growing up, i can see an entire lifetime they lived without having to read a single court document about what they went thru. my heart < 3

[@SoulDelSol]

That girl needs permission to move a single muscle. She's a statue.

[@ryanjofre]

Heartbreaking if true!

[@zeus3473]

@SoulDelSol "you can sit here. You can rock in it if you want" I was like wow she needs permission to rock in a rocking chair lol

[@ryanjofre]

@@zeus3473 Yeah, he unintentionally revealed a plethora😱😱😱

[@hitzoneproductions7858]

​@@ryanjofre Indeed

[@kickinkrys1]

I think I would be scared some too though. She probably has never experienced cops before and if she has it probably isn't good memories.

[@JackieOlantern]

We found the siblings of the 2 kids that are in your house, tied up with duct tape and handcuffs in your friend’s basement abused and malnourished with open wounds…. The response of a normal parent/person would be OMG! Who? Are they ok? What can I do to help!!! These people are all wackos….

[@mkb7013]

You have to remember where this is and what religion/cult they’re a part of.

[@hhealy7199]

What cult would that be? They didn't appear to be wackos and I'm sure they were in shock about the whole occurrence. I don't get the online smear campaign because they knew Ruby and must be guilty of something.

[@mkb7013]

@@hhealy7199 do your research. That will lead you to more of an “understanding”, which is what you’re seeking apparently. It’s all out there now about how “involved” this woman was with Jodi. Also, if you’re an adult, don’t play ignorant about what religion ALL of these people are a part of.

[@ACRMedia]

I'm convenced! They have all been abused at some point. The welfare of the children are not a concern because they would say the child is to blame for the abuse they recieve. This whole situation is bad.

[@Angela-bk7yp]

And evil

[@tonyafromgeorgia3519]

Why isn’t this women charged, she is connected to Rubys little group. She was also using Rubys kids as child labor.

[@heehaw8401]

She said “I made her scrub the floor.” She MADE her? That’s odd.

[@HerMajesty1]

​@@heehaw8401Ya I caught that as well

[@christienelson1437]

@@heehaw8401I wonder if the children live at these houses for undetermined periods as help. They have a large family and maybe the mom did these for personal favors.

[@havinghope6315]

She said "They came to clean my house" like it was the most normal thing ever.

[@joeb134]

​@havinghope6315 It's not that abnormal as you are making it. I used to cut grass and all kids of stuff for my parents friends to make a little money.

[@DayTradingSystemsCorp]

Ruby Franke is an American former family vlogger who ran the now defunct KZbin channel called 8 Passengers. On August 30, 2023, Ruby Franke and Jodi Hildebrandt were arrested in Washington County, Utah, and charged with six counts of aggravated child abuse of two of Franke's children under Utah law, four counts to which she pled guilty. She was sentenced to serve between four and thirty years in prison on February 20, 2024.

[@christinarodriguez7843]

Pam knows much more than she told the police. Had to pick up the girls due to a family emergency and she chooses to have these kids scrub her floors and clean her house? Kind of like how Ruby and Jodie had the kids doing forced manual labor? How did Pam walk away scott free? She was also the president or something similar of connections. Even Jodies nice Jessie said Pam had first hand knowledge of what Jodie was doing to her. Maybe she didn't get arrested but I hope the people where she lives have made it unbearable for these people to show their face. Deplorable people

[@Amanda.Marie40]

Pam was mentioned in Ruby’s journals!

[@RosemaryStudy]

Am I wrong in thinking that there is a connection between Pam and Jodi Hildebrand? Pam and her husband don't seem too shocked that Ruby is in custody for child abuse! If she knows the family and is told two children were abused and tied up -- then she knows who the two kids are! So suspicious.

[@havinghope6315]

In Ruby's diary she wrote that work brings you closer to God (the opposite of the actual Bible "faith not deeds") and yet she loans her kids to do all of the chores for her lazy chunky friends.

[@KeirstynAndrea]

Pam’s husband saying “why are you asking her?” Really bugged me. Why is he being so rude? The police are trying to help CHILDREN.

[@jdawg414]

Exactly! They are acting like the pizza man is trying to take the kids.

[@luciaspaetgens1366]

Yes? who knows what happen with both?!!!

[@germainewright7348]

Same with me.

[@ellekay1721]

Because cops just showed up at his house, unexpectedly. And are basically implying that he and his wife have done something wrong. He (they) have every right to ask questions and expect answers.

[@arianacastaneda7171]

@@ellekay1721Well yeah thats what happens when you have a child in your home that isn’t supposed to be there and separated from all of their siblings while they’re being abused, plz don’t defend this

[@Afro56]

When the older woman didn't show any emotions about the children being locked in a safe, that's what shocked me.

[@luciaspaetgens1366]

Oh gosh...everybody has their own tempture......She isn't cold as ICE..

[@dianeyoung2914]

She actually sounded shocked, she repeated back "a safe"?

[@Tim.Black13]

I just gotta pause the video n say, huge props to the female officer for talking and making the best of the situation with those girls. Every police station and every shift needs an upstanding female officer like this one.

[@Darjaboo]

There is something really fishy with that husband and I am getting really creepy vibes from him.

[@denysequinn2607]

Same here! He’s really weird

[@IlluSion-oh3ix]

He’s giving PREDATOR

[@ems901]

I agree fully

[@MaryCoster-Mullen]

He talks a lot about himself because he wants to be the center of attention

[@Karen44332]

The guy is gross something is off with them

[@hellonobody3321]

The fact the young girl didn’t even dare answer if she had shoes or her age or if she goes to school , so sad

[@lenitaa7938]

She did answer! The sound was muffled on purpose during her answers, probably bc she is a Minor!

[@ds.nedsong]

It is smart. Anything you say to the police can and will be used against you in a court of law. That is the law.

[@TheMurph20]

She is petrified of this trash bag....like a robot just standing there looking at him

[@Osten714]

​@@lenitaa7938 she didn't answer, the officer had to ask twice if she had shoes and added "it's just a simple question" also her answer to the man asking if that's her mother's number wasn't muffled at all

[@danabowden4171]

My whole problem with this whole situation is a no one really ever spoke to those girls and be when they were told they had to go and to go get their stuff The DCF worker said we're going to put your bag in the trunk and then the other worker proceeded to go through all the girls belongings. They might be minors but they still deserve a little respect and empathy for the situation that they're going through. They're obviously teenagers and you mean to tell me that these adults could not tell them we have to check your bag. It's one thing they're going through the situation that they're in but then it's another thing that these people that are supposed to protect them turn around and violate them. I pray for the children don't know the outcome of the story if it is true that the parents were abusive to the younger siblings than they deserve to be dealt with accordingly. I just pray in the end that the children are okay, someone made a comment about the poor girl not answering if she had shoes or what school she went to. I don't know if you've ever dealt with DCF where ever had family issues. It wasn't that they were afraid to speak they obviously have dealt with DCF at some point in the past because most children who have will not sit there and talk to DCF because there's a saying destroyers of children and families. Not all DCF cases are warranted obviously this one is. But you can talk to former DCF social workers and they will tell you they lie, they bully and they do whatever they need to do to get the outcome they want. That's why there's always such a large turnover in that department. For these kids I hope that the workers they have are really there to help them and not just put them in further harm!

[@marianitadelgado5795]

Something tells me there’s big suspiciousness coming off the 2 weirdos with the teen looking girl. There was zero reaction from the man when the officer told him about children locked in the basement and the audacity of him to say the biggest thing that bothered him was his wife being cuffed in front of their neighbors. Those people seem like there’s something else going on.

[@ayyac--]

yeah it's really disgusting. this guy doesn't sound like the sharpest tool in the shed. how dare he act nonchalant about children being locked up and malnourished yet care so much about what the neighbours might think of cops in their driveway. what a POS.

[@marymcmahon7616]

I’m curious Children that are raised with this type of abuse bc of family religion do they grow up and become like their parents and do the same things to their own children?

[@danutasiysz3552]

They knew to never talk to cops.First thing is they are never your friend.if they DETAIN you they don't have to arrest you and read yo the MIRANDA rights which means you don't have any recourse to you not speaking. They can't threaten with obstruction charges when you don't answer them.They love people speaking and yes they bring up anything ou say in court

[@Rita-nx6fg]

​​@@marymcmahon7616pretty much. It's hard to be a good parent if you've never known what a parent should be.

[@cynthiashores57]

​@@marymcmahon7616 RELIGION has nothing to do with their criminal behavior. They chose to do what they did of their own free will! Stop blaming religions for social problems. Just because you may have a prostitute in your family DOESN'T MAKE EVERY FEMALE IN YOUR FAMILY A PROSTITUTE OR ANYTHING CLOSE TO IT. PEOPLE have their free agency to obey the law or to break the law and religions don't cause the biggest problems in society.

[@deidrabuchanan195]

People coming from Costa Rica, that sounds a little fishy to me. Ruby was trying to hide all her kids.

[@AbruptandOffensive]

Those little girls knew exactly why the police were there and that’s why they were so nervous and scared to talk.

[@wowyathink5982]

Funny how they ( Pam and her husband) don’t act surprised or even the slightest bit concerned when they hear about these starving, malnourished, abused children! If someone told me that my friends’ kids were found in such a condition I’d be freaking out asking a bunch of questions like, “ Which child”? “Are they okay”? “Can I do anything?”, etc. These ppl are ALLLLLL shady AF!

[@chanelv5373]

I think they were in shock of what they heard. Pam’s husband said he didn’t even know Ruby but his wife did.

[@Em-ui2yl]

You really believe he doesn't know Ruby---his wife's business partner and close enough friend to be the "go-to" person to pick up their kids when arrested?! It's not the first time the kids were over there doing real work either. It couldn't be more obvious this couple isn't right. @@chanelv5373

[@Mydogpenny1970]

Me to

[@ev25zv]

"Can I do anything?" "Yes. You can just keep sitting in my squad car with handcuffs on."

[@LiveFreeOrDie2A]

It took them SO long to actually get the 2nd sister outside and ensure her welfare

[@kristinesharp6286]

The rec center said A left with Pam early for a family emergency. Bogus. Ruby trying to hide. Ruby told Pam to pick up the other kid at ACE. So she did. The police didn’t know a child was picked up at another location. Just that not at Jodi’s and not at their home. The reason Pam didn’t take the kids home or to their mom was to hide them. The reason she got her before he shift ended yet had time for ice cream stop first was cause she was told to get away from places she would be found. They would not expect her at Pam’s or ice cream place. They would expect the girls home or at work. Ruby left the kids to leave the country alone why on earth would a 15 and 16 year old not be okay in the house for a time? She didn’t drop the girls at where there mom was. Or home. Or Kevin’s. Or a relative. And she said she would bring them home later. She really had no other answer to how long they would be at her house. So why not just drop them off after collecting them without the floor scrubbing and ice cream? Weird isn’t it. The reason she was not charged is she didn’t obstruct the police from taking them into foster care and she did not harm the two little ones at the center of the initial incident.

[@kittypoo404]

They didn't even know she was there ruby didn't tell them that.

[@jennifersimpson3751]

Wow, so sorry for the kids. I have a mentally unwell mother, too. No one cared enough to have me taken away. I'm 50 now and still have nightmares.

[@brookeskipper5573]

That poor girl is tortured by her parents and then goes to a friend's house and is told to scrub the floors and vacuum. Absolutely disgusting. Um lady, it's your house and your company coming over. Not hers. She said she did it on her own free will. She probably did it out of fear because of what she's been through. I would never ask any of my daughter's friends to scrub my floors, smh!!!!

[@melodytenisch6232]

I agree.💔

[@Carolyn-ff3fu]

I had an aunt that would pay me to clean and even paint!

[@yrosemarie]

That’s what I wondering were they getting paid and the little one is so little and both scared

[@abbyynorman2874]

Couldn’t agree more-Pam KNOWS this is forced labor-The husband didn’t even know, but Pam did-arrest her!

[@deliajones9541]

She said she made the girl do it. Then said it was voluntary. She lied!

[@TriciaTop-df2jz]

I would be horrified if I had a child in my care and found out their siblings were hurt and locked away. I would have only been able to focus on that in all honesty.

[@hl3818]

Same .

[@stefanigreeneyes]

For real, weird reaction 😳

[@lighthouselaura4324]

Part of the connections money is in this woman's name. She knows. She believes the same as them.

[@selina.c]

They used them as slaves

[@dianeinscore]

They both seem mean spirited. The kids must've figured out what was happening.

[@dianehelgaduncan4055]

This female officer needs an award!

[@glendaburgos4173]

They pay them the girls need to work is better then just doing nothing girls need money to buy they own things

[@conniebruinsma5681]

This is a deeply disturbing video. This man is concerned about his wonky cadaver ankle and possibly being embarrassed in front of his neighbours while showing zero concern about the abuse of these children. They didn't notice how these two girls responded to the police presence? Unbelievable.

[@fred7108]

These Mormons are an odd bunch for sure. Borrowing Frankes kids to clean house. So strange.

[@elainerivera4592]

Cult!!

[@HowardDaniels-uw8tj]

@@fred7108 they often have a weird notion about appropriate boundaries

[@Perry840]

They should be arrested for child exploitation

[@HerMajesty1]

They were being used as servants to other people. My guess is that they were not compensated other that going to an ice cream shop

[@havinghope6315]

I agree.

[@havinghope6315]

@@HerMajesty1 and who knows if that was even a lie or not!

[@77-ty7gb]

Nope. Kids clean and do work. I mowed lawns as a teen. I split wood as a teen. Kids can do more than sit on their butts and play video games or make videos for t-tok. Please never sit on a jury. Thanks

[@HerMajesty1]

Of course chores are part of growing up. This is different. The kids were clearly abused and looks like they were farmed out as labor for Ruby's friends.

[@ninalandau9703]

Wait….this lady was given an opportunity to ask an officer any questions AFTER being told kids are malnourished and found in a safe , yet she had no questions in her mind. Rrrrright

[@jenniferbailey5914]

No questions because she already knew that’s why! Disgusting!

[@MaryCoster-Mullen]

Thought that was weird too. Maybe she already knows what’s going on

[@popy1869]

Seams like a sex, torture, traffic net. Having friends come over from Costa Rica? Clients maybe? Weird... Have you people seen Jodi's house?? Traffic net. I feel so bad for this children

[@kittypoo404]

Her house fortune has the vibe

[@kittypoo404]

For sure*

[@amandalangston1239]

This man is ridiculous! He is more worried about what his neighbors think than about the kids.

[@villanelle8888]

1:19:26 - "They came to clean my house". 😡 Clean your own house, lady.

[@cheifburninggrass]

Dude they’re clearly all swimming in money, they could totally afford a maid service.

[@freshair611]

She's absolutely obsessed with the house cleaning. She mentioned it so many times! What a freak.

[@villanelle8888]

@@freshair611 "I made them clean the house but they did it of their own freewill", she totally contradicted herself.

[@freshair611]

@@villanelle8888 100%. She makes me sick.

[@caryinky]

It’s a Mormon thing. Serving others. Very typical.

[@Cagedontheinside]

I was abused as a kid I know the quietness they show. They are not much scared at the cops but getting into trouble at home and with Mom and now we know why. Sad situation my heart goes out to the children. They will need a lot of therapy and I hope they will receive it.

[@marcwilliams9824]

Absolutely. Kids know what's going to happen once those cops leave and they're alone with the adults.

[@cs4201]

Absolutely

[@dawncoffinberry1469]

I went through horrific abuse by my parents. They used us as labor and beat us when we even looked at them oddly. My parents weren't in a religion either. What made it worse for me was that I was disabled. But they had me carrying 20×4 of wood along with my 3 brothers. My mom often told me that the kids aren't calling me crippled names because I was crippled but because I was fat and ugly. When I had seizures my mom gave my brothers permission to hit me, saying I was faking it. She also told them to call me fat names as well. She said no one would need, want, or love me. I was also molested by my uncle (4 years old), older brother (starting at 9 years old until i was 14), and step dad(when I was 12 1/2 years old. I fell for these kids.

[@MaryCoster-Mullen]

Very sad for you. Hope you are healing

[@Cagedontheinside]

@user-zu4ry8bt4c Yes some. But it is difficult sometimes. I try when I am having a bad day and say It's not my Fault. See what people don't understand is you lose your whole family. That doesn't go away. They will have that hole of loss even when the parents are toxic and abusive.

[@ElizabethDermody]

The cop had a point. He is the one that called the guy to come over and help. When he gets there he tells him to go ahead and leave. Well, why call and tell him to go over for ? Someone isn't playing with a full deck of cards.

[@fire.smok3]

The female officer seems very kind, i respect how she tried to ease the situation and treat the people gently

[@198Zofficial]

I agree 💯 percent with you. She was the kindest officer on duty that day.

[@smokybandit9333]

Yeah while the husband was being such a douche

[@zachariasmith1961]

Dude red shorts was high af I Guarantee it

[@tcmhammer]

​@@smokybandit9333 a man trying to protect his wife and children he is taking care of at the time is not aDouche for trying to assert his rights and make everything is good.

[@lilgfuel]

@@tcmhammerbro he HAD to have known. He's a pos

[@KellyNewcomer-xt2nc]

The female officer is a gem! She definitely has a lot more patience with this man than i would have!!

[@forpetessake3532]

he’s annoying and irritating

[@SamanthaF8]

Oh my gosh, I completely agree! If I heard him talk about his ankle or ask the same dang questions over and over again I would have lost my mind. She is a gem indeed. I actually think all the officers involved were very calm, cool, and collected. I would not have that much patience with these two beyond selfish human beings.

[@FlyInTheDark]

So, you are easily set off by a frustrated old man, who got blindsided by a situation most of you out of touch boomers would react horrible too as well. I know most of rapidly aging people are unaware, but I didn’t know it was this bad.

[@tinawhite8835]

It's an interview tactic. She did an excellent job of creating a rapport with him that was nonthreatening. He thought they were just 'chatting', but she was working him for any information on the situation, his involvement, awareness, and culpability. She did an outstanding job in showing that he had no concern about the girls, and the implication that the couple probably knew more than they were saying. She is one smart cookie!

[@courtneycoley8487]

​@@SamanthaF8well to be fair he doesn't kno what it going on yet

[@seancovey4012]

Pam Bodtcher has been besties with Jodi for decades. She needs to investigated and arrested also!

[@ryanjofre]

And you know this how???

[@texasray5237]

Being besties is a crime now?

[@RickyCaudle]

It’s a crime to know a criminal. From what I see they tried to keep them kids safe.

[@debbie4503]

Guilty by association? Granted it's weird to have children to come over to clean and scrub your floors. There's no way to know off of this video what that mother did to these girls or what she told these people.

[@betha5539]

This female officer is on point with her ability to make small talk with all parties involved. Excellent work officer. "If you run we will chase you" this awesome officer is focused even though she is trying to make them feel as comfortable as possible. Excellent.

[@MC-cyh]

I love how the husband is so upset at the fact that his wife is sitting in a squad car in handcuffs and yet no emotion for the children that are being abused! BTW - whose kids want to be picked up from the pool over summer to go to some woman's house to clean?!?!?!!!

[@gree-uz8pv]

I know he says if you knew her she is the nicest person, yea having a cleaning sweat shop for these kids to work, and no pay. Who is benefits, yea you Pam and her husband. He says he if responsible yet all he talks about is his selfish wife.

[@danabear7525]

You didn't watch the video did ya

[@Google_Does_Evil_Now]

​@@danabear7525explain what we learn in the video please. It's very long.

[@LovingAtlanta]

⁠@@danabear7525- 👍I know what you mean. I suggest you re-read the original comment. I had to re-read it too. I believe they meant sarcasm using the word “love”. He was obviously more concerned about his wife (who was safe in the back of the police car in handcuffs) with zero concern about the kids involved.😭

[@jldoble6]

Ruby probably got paid for her own kids cleaning for these people. Wouldn't surprise me.

[@mercedeswalker7819]

We lived in the home with my moms friend who knew that my mom was abusing me and starving me I was isolated and not allowed around my siblings . I was beaten, choked, slammed up against the wall, not able to eat and one day my mom gaslit me and made me think I stole a piece of candy and hid the wrapper until I believed I did, my mother told me if I didn’t find the rapper- she would throw me outside of a two story window or put me in the dumpster. I was at the top of the stairs crying and I asked my mom’s friend while she was walking down the stairs “ can you help me?” And I’ll never forget and she turned around and told me “ I can’t” and I never felt so hopeless as a child in my life . I don’t understand till this day why my mom did these things to me and when I grew up and got my reports and my moms friend lied for her and said she knew nothing when all along she heard the many screams and cries and bangs coming from my abuse and partook in it. I’m praying to heal 😫😭

[@deliastanley3921]

OMG I’m soooo heartbroken for you!!! The big question is WHY did she treat you that way?! Is she still alive? Are you close with your siblings? Father? Such a terribly sad story. I pray you will find a path toward healing 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@samrichman4544]

I’m sorry this happened to you and I hope your healing. All I can say are humans are weak your mams friend is weak. No good person would stand and watch that happen, sadly there are too many people bad people are out. Hopefully you are surrounded by stronger people now x

[@Lena-j8t]

Don’t ever put the blame on your self. You are the strongest. Your mother and her friend are the weak ones. Do research on a narcissistic parent it might give you a lot of answers why this happened. You are not alone I was a victim to ❤

[@dawnatkinson7704]

I do not know you but my heart breaks for you reading this. I was abused by my mother and have a strained relationship with her all these years later (my dad's dying wish was for me to keep an eye on her). I get it. Why? Hopefully you are healing and sending you love and best wishes xx

[@deliastanley3921]

@@dawnatkinson7704 I’m so very sorry for you.. 😢

[@ItsMee_Vee]

This gentleman's comments about his wife being detained in a police car and saying "you would be embarrassed if you knew her." This police officers are very polite and kind. WOW!!! The police officer is sooooo nice. I have never met such a nice police officer.

[@OddWoz]

You would/should be asking the same questions if you were innocent and completely confused. You act like they were combative. Apparently you think anyone with a smile should be trusted. Incredibly naive. Tyrants should never be trusted to do the right thing regardless of whether they smile at you or toss a few nice words.

[@Ashley53188]

I wouldn’t go that far. He was supposed to transport Pam and he said, “Well we have a lot of calls.” LDS too probably.

[@marthatarot9772]

They have to be nice because everything is on camera 😅

[@kay-pu7hr]

The LDS Church is the main church in Utah. So the officers are probably LDS too.

[@dharmawannab]

Seeing how fearful these girls are even when there are LE officers there to protect them and yet still they stay silent really brings to point how *brave* their brother was to escape and get help!!!!

[@susanhighfield8284]

The biggest thing that bugs this guy, he said is his wife seeing a car with handcuffs. Not that two children have been severely abused by two of their friends! I didn't hear either one of these grown adults ask if those children were okay.

[@jenniferunderwood951]

@@susanhighfield8284 Roy’s question or comment comes from the old “what will the neighbors think bag”. If they didn’t question anything odd at the house before maybe they will now.

[@anonymitysuits765]

Maybe he and his wife should be a bit more discerning about the people they have “known forever.”

[@diffusesden5455]

the saddest part of this is the simple fact that these children are psychologically destroyed by these adults in a way that will never be rectified. They will live with mental anguish for the rest of their lives because of these adults. The amount of therapy that will be necessary for these children to begin to live a normal decent life is astronomical.

[@steelybeatz6382]

A lifetime of therapy will be worth the effort and time! Unfortunately I understand what the daughters are going through. :(

[@Dannysmilesalot]

I agree with you. The worst part is if not treated they may do the same to their own children

[@JohnDoe-ip2hx]

They can and will be healed with the proper therapists WITHOUT brain damaging Big Pharma pills. EMDR therapy works wonders for severe trauma/ptsd❤

[@cunnings309]

@@Dannysmilesalot That's exact. Children often act on the pattern they received wheh they were younger.

[@cynthiamartin7028]

With time and actual care, they can recover, don't write them off. Evil parents don't always win.

[@redroseeeeeeeeeeeee]

Why would anyone with nothing to hide act this way about a child that isn’t theirs when the police come with a warrant to protect said child? Just bizarre. Telling her where to sit and that “you can rock if you want” is so controlling. Ugh.

[@Jakori1977]

He was simply trying to make them feel safe .. they weren’t doing anything wrong imo .. completely blindsided and the parental instincts kick in to protect children even if they aren’t yours

[@becomesuperhuman]

Your comment is bizarre, you're bizarre! "you can rock if you want" Oh my god, lock that monster up!!!!! Are you kidding me???

[@skepticalmaiden]

Those who know, know. I recognize such behavior. 🤮

[@debbiemann2752]

@@skepticalmaidenI am horrified at this. I watched this months ago and had no idea of the background with or who Ruby was. I searched to rewatch and your comment got to me. These poor kids. I’m sorry for whatever you went through. ❤️

[@glamourgirl-n9b]

She stood behind him most of the time & he spoke for her.

[@SalimahRahman]

I grew up to respect these law enforcement officers. If I have not commit any crime, I don't have to be afraid.

[@a_lucientes]

The lack of any reaction from the two adults upon learning their buddy, the kids' [free workers] mom was arrested and that children were found malnourished and LOCKED IN A SAFE [probably a cage with a lock on it or they'd suffocate] but still, the lack of reaction from either is shocking. Wouldnt you be appalled upon hearing that? Apparently an older sibling had tried for years to get CPS on the case and was just ignored. Unbelievable all around.

[@jeremybilbrey1133]

when they told pams husband they were locked in a safe...he responded with "today?"

[@emilyrose827]

the mistreatment with all the kids has been seen in the youtube channel they once had. i watched it all the time when i was younger and now i'm 14 looking back at clips in the videos and realising how badly they were treated. it's crazy. shari, their eldest child, did report to CPS many times and even fans did too calling the cops to the house numerous times yet nothing was done.

[@deliarodriguez8807]

@@emilyrose827What’s the name of their youtube channel?

[@emilyrose827]

@@deliarodriguez8807 it was 8 passengers but due to what happened their actual channel was deleted from youtube but someone did screenrecord some of their videos and the channel is called ‘eight passengers’ it only has a few videos. there are videos put together by people though if you search 8 passengers with different clips of their youtube channel of the mum being concerning.

[@sunriserose]

@@deliarodriguez8807 8passangers. the channel no longer up

[@dannylage7661]

Before: “My wife has been best friend is Ruby for years, they are great people” After “we barely know them, the girls just come here to scrub the floors and work”

[@singer-it7tq]

HE barely knows them not WE

[@FarrahFawxx]

These cops are absolutely clueless. They don't pick up on any of that

[@BiggGyrl77]

@@FarrahFawxx I am dumbfounded. They need the t.v. police. NCIS. Criminal Minds. The old Law and Order from the 90's. CSI: Miami. SOMEbody who can advocate aggressively for these children. I was thinking about that. the husband was telling the police what he not gone do and what they are going to do.

[@paulinegallagher7821]

@@FarrahFawxx They sure do. They are listening to everything, they are letting them talk, letting them dig that hole.

[@wishhalkar509]

@@FarrahFawxxthey aren’t clueless. They can’t ask much, but, they sure can testify to everything they heard. They even fooled you.

[@JohnHandcock-g8n]

Imagine having these two as your immediate neighbours, I can't imagine how distressing that would be

[@melissas4874]

I know.... I hate it when my neighbors clean their floors and pick fruit and vegetables - it's terrifying to know they are making salsa.

[@umadbrew]

@@melissas4874lmao. Thats what I was thinking too. People swear everyone involved is so guilty and knows every little detail we now know months later.

[@Justice55339h]

​​@@melissas4874they are exploiting kids to "scrub their floors" for their guests, and are a direct intimately involved part of the Connexions therapy cult with Jodi Hildebrandt. Pam spend LOTS of time with her and Ruby

[@cheeling794]

why?

[@happycamper4ever873]

I wonder what’s going on with these two now? Did they move? They’re so worried about the neighbors seeing her in handcuffs. Now everyone knows what they’ve been doing. They knew about the abuse and were ok with it. The complete lack of surprise or concern when hearing the younger kids condition. Not one question.

[@mariecomer209]

Jerk is more concerned that the neighbors can see police cars in front of his house than the fact that children are possibly being abused!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@valeriepalenkas3706]

The idea that she's known the Franke family "really well" for 3 years, but doesn't seem concerned at all about the kids is repulsive

[@cyndeewenzel6439]

I'm surprised the police didn't call EMT's to come look at the girls condition.

[@brookechiasson3680]

They were outdoors to her for labor on several occasions.....of course she doesn't care about them.

[@TheFulcrum2000]

@@cyndeewenzel6439 To be honest they both looked fine, physically at least.

[@mischka54]

That poor girl standing there on the doorstep for all that time, with no one trying to tell her everything’s going to be ok or calm her. Felt so sorry for her.

[@johntrussell7808]

Not even the piss poor baby of a man with his ankle. That's so f'ed up

[@LegitGtb]

you mean the girl that repeatedly ignored the cop? i feel bad but at the same time she was just ignoring the officer who was being nice

[@novadearest]

​@@LegitGtbShe was probably traumatized.

[@bramblehollow]

​@@LegitGtbthey train these kids to say nothing. This is a cult of obedience and submission. They even take their shoes. It's demented!

[@tamicox990]

One of this girls was also staying at Jodi’s with her mother- I’m sure she knew about the abuse as well but probably afraid

[@CrisandaSinger]

The poor teenager was scared to death, and the female officer was trying so hard to comfort her. I could feel the concern in the officer’s mind and gut about what could happen to the girl if she were to be sent back to her evil mother.

[@North_West1]

The teenager was terrified to answer a simple question. Do you have shoes? Where are your shoes at? Not difficult or scary questions. Scared to say the wrong thing.

[@K_c_B]

The officers didn't know anything about what was going on initially. It wasn't till after the two of them had been left alone that either of the officers found out anything about the case. I think the lady cop is just not great at interacting cause it just seemed awkward anytime she talked. Or maybe was just my impression

[@cozmo1266]

@@K_c_Bthe cops knew only what they were told about the children that were found at Jodie’s house. She’s using a deescalation tactic to keep the husband from tripping out and the girls to gain their trust.

[@bobbarker1798]

Foster care might be worse. No good options for abused children.

[@stoverboo]

@@K_c_B He was hard to talk to. He was openly hostile at first. I thought she did a good job of finding nonthreatening subject to introduce, to get him to settle down. He became right friendly when she started sympathizing about his ankle.

[@APixieNinja]

FYI: a lawyer can't do anything AS you're being arrested. So calling an attorney while a person gets arrested won't stop the arrest.

[@margaretberryman6260]

Why wouldn't Pam ask about her friend having children emaciated and tied up in the home? I know I would. I'd be horrified.

[@MichaelaGronemann]

Because she knew,she IS the President of Connexions 😈😡

[@flenzy]

Because she knew. And she probably knew that she could get her house cleaned by this teen because she knows her "friend" is victimizing her anyway.

[@adayinthelifeofunique7293]

She was in on it she ended up getting charged with 6 counts of felony child abuse. Do you believe that her and the mother of the children actually have parent seminars teaching other women parenting skills yeah great parenting skills. I know those parents that were taking the classes are sick to their stomach. Oh and the mom actually has a KZbin channel it’s a documentary of her life and her viewers actually were the ones who started reporting her to DCF/ACS/CPS (all the same) and to the police because of the things they started to notice with the other children smh so sad. I feel terribly bad for the children

[@trinitybridges4859]

Instantly

[@gilbert-rz5bj]

She is apart of it. Just wants to play dumb. No decent human would just glance over the fact of one being tied up or locked up

[@TheUnknownSwan]

You can tell all the adults involved are all in it together. If I had been detained and told my friend's children were all being severely abused, I'd immediately panick for the kiddo's asking if they were okay and how could I help. Instead, all the adults worry about themselves and Ruby. Notice how the girl doesn't speak, as if she too was trained not to say anything ahead of time like everyone else. So shady...all of them.

[@melissamctighe]

I am like horrified by all this - if someone told me my friends children needed medical attention and were found locked in a safe I would bust out crying and would have a TON of questions…like are they ok - are they going to be ok - where are they now - can I be with them - can I help the children in any way.

[@elainerivera4592]

They are trained not to speak to authorities!

[@cyndeewenzel6439]

They didn't even comfort the girls or anything, and not even a hug?

[@mississippimud7046]

Truth

[@betsybarnicle8016]

​@@cyndeewenzel6439 Husband didn't even look at the girl's face to see her reaction, if she needed comforted.

[@Yerpompous]

WHAT PARENT SENDS THEIR KIDS TO CLEAN THEIR FRIENDS HOUSE???? NOW THATS WHATS BIZARRE!!

[@mkb7013]

A Mormon/LDS parent does. That’s common for that cult.

[@cynthiasmith3754]

@@mkb7013 It's such a bummer that this is normalized in the cult.

[@MegaDeansy]

I'm from Scotland and I find this absolutely heart-breaking - at no point do any of the adults show any genuine concern or care for these children !. Its obvious straight from the outset that the occupants KNOW that whatever illegal practices have been going on have just abruptly ended and they are now trying their utmost to find out exactly what the police know. There's zero shock at the police at the door, it took the man approx 1m 50secs to ask 'Have you got a warrant ? I just hope these poor children are now with a decent, loving, law-abiding family - but in today's America what's the chances of that ??'

[@joetrosclair8434]

Holy crap. The cult had the children spread out all over the place. Terrifying

[@a.downing2791]

Disappear them from each other so they live in fear and comply with orders. Also, inflict physical abuse every so often along with starvation and solitary confinement, will keep the children in line. It’s disgusting how heartless all of these people involved are. If their neighbors see any of these videos, they will know how disgusting this couple is.

[@Caramia-w1x]

2 teenage girls not saying a word, not even rocking.

[@teresaoconnell4790]

These nice people never mentioned a second child inside the home. But we are not hiding anything.

[@kimgraff7881]

Pam said the older sister was in the house once she was in the police car

[@Tinydancer0502]

I thought Pam did?? The male officer kept only asking about that one daughter and then at one points she asked something like “well I’m just confused why they don’t want ____ as well” and then the male officer goes “well they’re still looking for her” and that’s when she said “she’s inside my house??” and then he was like “oh she is?”. I think the male officer was only given details that one daughter was here so that’s why she didn’t immediately volunteer that information cause he kept only asking about the one daughter.

[@jenniferbailey5914]

They purposely withheld that information. They suck!

[@faithrada]

​​​@@Tinydancer0502 Any normal person should have mentioned that TWO children were in that house... right away... so, yea.. weird right from the start.

[@matthewwaterhouse8653]

The husband was using the wife's phone instead of his own the whole time. Tapping away... deleting evidence.....

[@amandalangston1239]

I agree.

[@ellenhenderson6865]

Oh yeah. For sure.

[@alcerdghost954]

They’ve got it at their service provider. You can delete a lot of stuff but not all of it. They were so casual with it they for sure thought they’d get away with it.

[@derekwoods6663]

@@alcerdghost954 The technology today can retrieve just abut everything on their phones, neither of them look that clever, evil yes but no not clever. Throw the book at them as well

[@motorheart9045]

How do you know that?

[@kintequeen25]

“I made her scrub my floors “ but she did of her own free will 😢 After they mention child abuse