Bold and the Beautiful - 2000 (S13 E252) FULL EPISODE 3386

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Thorne doesn't want to wait for Brooke any more than Ridge did.

[@TriniT21]

Brooke really isn't worth the wait lol.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@TriniT21 She's worth the w an k

[@TriniT21]

​@@NewYorkNick0607😂 But he's gotten that already.. What else is there to accomplish 😂

[@annieo6527]

This is an _excellent_ point! This plot point really feels like that time when Brooke was going to leave Eric for Ridge but kept putting it off hoping to resolve the situation, and Ridge got impatient and couldn't wait for her.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@annieo6527 It's funny because the show gave Ridge an elegant solution out of that mess (Taylor) but all Thorne gets is Kimberly, an inelegant solution if ever there was one. 😄

[@NewYorkNick0607]

*_“The judge has decided to defer to your good judgment - specifically yours Stephanie.”_* Even the judge knows not to trust Eric's judgment. 😆

[@MichelleCootee]

Your so right about that

[@FayeIL]

Stephanie probably has a pet judge just like she seems to own a few police officers.

[@TriniT21]

Judge been watching the show 😂

[@annieo6527]

Stephanie was in Storyteller mode today - "how are we going to _make this happen?"_ And then at the end she is narrating the moraI dilemma to the viewer. She is the only one in the family who actually has doubts about whether what they are doing is right or wrong.

[@TriniT21]

@@annieo6527 exactly. And quite frankly, even outside of the moral dilemma (power vs right), nobody has any actual legal "right" to that child. I think (not 100% sure) in a real world scenario, the baby might have had to go into State care while the legality of his guardianship was sorted. Anyhoo.. Steph's house is just as good as State care the way everybody's always moving in there and living in her guest house 😕

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Amber's one year probation/Jonathan's arrangement is the same length of time she and Rick were married. This fits with what I wrote yesterday (episode 3383) that Amber is getting a favorable Redo of the storyline where she passed the baby off as hers and Rick's.

[@FayeIL]

It really is a shame the writers didn’t see that Amber was more compelling and rootworthy as a screwed-up but basically good-hearted person than as this object of desire for both CJ and Rick (and soon Deacon as well). No offense to Adrienne Frantz, but she didn’t have the beauty or the personality to pull off the “ingenue/prize for every man” role.

[@annieo6527]

Yes, this is a great point! The difference is that now, Amber is no longer sure this is what she wants. The new element in this storyline is CJ, who is actually a _more_ sympathetic character than either Amber or Rick, meaning we don't necessarily want Amber to choose Rick this time. In fact, CJ clearly has Storytelling potential (you compared him to Connor in a previous post, and I see it too, with the CJ/Amber dynamic mirroring Brooke/Connor in relation to the Forresters). He has been predicting the outcome of Amber's (unwise) actions, as well as correctly narrating the Forresters' intentions, throughout this storyline, and today he even says "they're probably over at the house scheming up a big plan right now" while the Forresters are, in fact, over at the house scheming up a big plan.

[@DevikaK100]

Hi, I don't know the nuances of this story. Could you enlighten me? During the year that Amber and Rick raised the child and were married, did viewers know it was not their child? Or was that revealed only when Becky came onto the screen?

[@annieo6527]

@@DevikaK100 viewers knew all along that it wasn't their child, because we saw Amber give birth to a stiIIborn child.

[@z-5reader939]

Lil Eric Jr is the best baby ever featured on B&B.

[@annieo6527]

He is! He is totally in character all the time. It's like seeing a baby interacting with his parents in real life.

[@FayeIL]

The Brooke-Thorne fights are actually hilarious at this point. Thorne pouts like a child and Brooke lectures him in the slightly exasperated tone you’d use with a trying teenager. Ain’t love grand?! Thorne to Brooke: “Bridget has always been your top priority!” Me: “Sure, right after Eric, Ridge, Connor, Ridge again . . .but other than that, totally her top priority.” Brooke: “Bridget is a troubled teenager!” Me: “Nah, she actually seems like the most level-headed person on the show at this point.” Sally continues to rock the kasbah. Love her. That sad, apprehensive look she shot CJ when he was playing with Baby Eric was so touching. Darlene Connelly was just such a great actress.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

I love how Brooke and Thorne keep saying they want to "be a family" with Bridget. Uh...you're _already_ family. She's the mother of your sister. He's the brother of your daughter. That's what makes this 🤢

[@TriniT21]

​@@NewYorkNick0607well I said.. Akshually, Thorne's already family, at least to your daughter, Brooke .. 😕

[@FayeIL]

@@NewYorkNick0607Very true. The problem is they’re *too much* family! 😂

[@annieo6527]

Thorne and Rick are _so much alike_ these days! There's no question they are family, too. Both impatiently and childishly wanting something _now_ (and not getting any). 😂 The are the Blue 🥎🥎Brothers. Absolutely loved seeing Sally today. I noticed that sad look too (during the voiceover) and the way I read it, this was Sally looking at CJ interacting with his child, being reminded of her own loss, and thinking "my son is not going to lose what I lost".

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@annieo6527 This version of Rick and Thorne physically _resemble_ each other too. I was struck by how much they look like brothers when they were standing side by side at the double wedding.

[@z-5reader939]

Stephanie is now playing the role of Rick’s mother.

[@TriniT21]

Has Brooke even called her son about something as important as him wanting to take custody of a baby?

[@ambika66681]

Well, he never had a real mother

[@JanetWashington-ph6dz]

I just LOVE Sally I would love to have a friend like her She seems So Cool

[@z-5reader939]

Kimberely and Bridget using binoculars just like Sunny Hostin at the hush money trial.

[@TriniT21]

😂😂 Thorne needs some curtains ASAP lol

[@jackieesposito4073]

This is ridiculous and infuriating!! What power do they have to take that baby?? Not one of them has custody or a blood relation!!

[@sharonstewart4882]

Thorne’s just worried that Brooke will take a whole conga line in Hawaii. 🤭

[@NewYorkNick0607]

😂😂😂 Surfers, spring breakers, rich married men, the sons of rich married men, natives, Obama.

[@z-5reader939]

She’ll have lots of leis. 😆

[@FayeIL]

@@NewYorkNick0607Thank you, Nick. I now have a mental image in my head of Brooke purring in her baby voice “Aloooooha, Bawack” to the future President. It is truly disturbing.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

@@FayeIL She already named one of her kids HOPE. Maybe she'll name another one CHANGE. 😋

[@FayeIL]

@@NewYorkNick0607OMG 😂

[@-Lily7415]

Eric has angry bird eyebrows

[@clairefaulkner2603]

If I comment that Mick Cain is a total babe enough times maybe he'll see this someday lol

[@z-5reader939]

His relationship with Little Eric is the sweetest. He’s a natural with that baby.

[@susanlangley5255]

This is sickening the way the Forresters arr interfering

[@juliaschmidt6511]

Rick is the most annoying person.

[@annieo6527]

I agree! They are using their wealth and social status to take a child that is not legally or biologically theirs.

[@DevikaK100]

Stephanie has been playing "God" this season by making decisions for people without their consent: trying to abort Morgan's baby and now taking Little Eric from CJ. What I don't understand is, Amber committed fraud by passing the baby off as hers, has a drug charge (after stupidly inviting undesirables into her apartment), and acted as a child predator by going after the boy she was babysitting. Yet, she's being given the royal treatment. CJ is the sane one, yet they're trying to take Little Eric from him. When will Amber be held accountable for her misdeeds? Why are the Forresters coddling her?

[@annieo6527]

@@DevikaK100 Good point - CJ is far more responsible than Amber. And yet the Forresters are trying to take the baby away from _CJ only._

[@TriniT21]

Not that I feel sorry for Brooke at all, but Thorne is really overbearing. But that's how his character always has been when he gets desperate over a woman, in particular if they're one of Ridge's exes. Seeing him here reminds me of how overbearing he was with Caroline. And then his spoiled brat behaviour with Taylor when he wanted her to put his name on Thomas' birth certificate and she didn't want to... I dunno why they have always tried to portray Thorne as the nice brother with all the family values. He's the one who has always needed the most psych help

[@annieo6527]

Thorne just needs some of Little Eric's grapes.

[@NewYorkNick0607]

Yes I have to say I've never really liked Thorne. I never felt they got the character quite right and they often wrote him as a j e r k to Macy.

[@annieo6527]

@@NewYorkNick0607 you know I did have a soft spot for JT Thorne. But this one I can't even look at without wishing unhappiness and unalivement on him. He will get _somewhat_ more tolerable in time (I liked him with his daughter many years later), but right now he's even worse than Eric. I am so glad we'll be getting S14 because I really look forward to seeing karma catch up with him.

[@-Lily7415]

True!

[@bettyhopson]

@@annieo6527 This Thorne(WH) seems far more impulsive than previous Thornes. His impatience with Brooke here seems a red flag for things to come. He flew off the handle about Venice and he will really fly off the handle when he hears Brooke tell Deacon her soulmate is…Ridge! 😮

[@TriniT21]

Macy could have used those binoculars a year ago... She'd have def known every time Brooke was over at Thorne's bc his whole apt is a fish bowl.

[@annieo6527]

Why does Kimberly even need binoculars? The houses are right next to each other.

[@babs4848]

@@annieo6527 Bird watching 😁

[@TriniT21]

@@annieo6527 it feels like the houses are merged into one the way Kimberly is in his back patio in a matter of seconds. Did she jump over the wall? Also, Kimberly saw Brooke's limo outside... Macy not once ever saw Brooke's car 🥴. And I'm still trying to figure how Macy never heard the ambulance sirens the night Steph had her stroke 🥴🥴

[@annieo6527]

@@TriniT21 maybe when Thorne called an ambulance he requested one with the sirens turned off to avoid a scandaI... 😂

[@-Lily7415]

Isn’t there an unspoken rule not to go after your dead sisters husband??

[@TriniT21]

I am pretty sure it is written somewhere lol

[@DevikaK100]

Not on the B&B. If you're not related to him and he's over 18, he's fair game. Quasi-incest rules the show. Look at the histories of who's dated whom on the show. Brooke with two of her daughter's husbands; Taylor with Brooke's son; Katie with her niece's husband; Brooke with her sister's husband. One of the weirdest teases that never materialized was when Bridget tried to pursue Ridge after it was revealed he was Massimo's son. Of course, let's not forget that Rick pursued his quasi-nieces Phoebe and Steffy. Then we've got Taylor getting it on with Eric after Stephanie's death. Last but not least, we've got Thomas pursuing Hope.

[@-Lily7415]

@@DevikaK100 oh yeah 😂

[@lindsaym1226]

Yeah, just not on this show 😂

[@TriniT21]

BTW.. I'm guessing nobody told the judge the same Rick who insists on having the baby now, threw Amber out with the baby when he found out the child wasn't his?And Eric et al (aka the only family that baby has ever known) didn't want anything to do with Amber. Yep, bc that's the stable environment a child needs. Anytime Rick gets mad at Amber again, he can just throw a hissy fit and throw her out

[@stromaefan8646]

Becky wanted her son back!

[@annieo6527]

Exactly! Rick may live in a mansion (in his father's wife's guest house) but the environment isn't stable because that _family_ isn't stable. If the judge wanted stable, he should have moved that baby in with Sally.

[@TriniT21]

@@annieo6527 and the judge didn't even ask where's Rick's mother in all this decision making and why the child is moving in with his step mom and not his actual mother? Anyway, better he didn't ask bc all that talk about a stable family would fly straight out the window

[@DevikaK100]

@@TriniT21 : And it takes two to make a baby. I know the infamous Deacon arrives soon, but why is he an afterthought. After Becky died, you would think that he would be reached out to!

[@lindsaym1226]

​@@DevikaK100I'm more surprised that Becky's parents haven't been mentioned.

[@megstsauveur6881]

Thorne is acting like a toddler.. 🤦‍♀️

[@tammyfulp7548]

Thorne

[@juliaschmidt6511]

Thorne needs lots of therapy.

[@megstsauveur6881]

@@tammyfulp7548 I fixed my typo! lol!

[@TriniT21]

As usual

[@Stephanie-qg5nd]

For sure never new his problem til now

[@TriniT21]

When Steph banished Thorne from the kingdom, did she also put him under house arrest? Why is he just at home all the time? His problem is he is un/underemployed bored, and has nothing better to do with his time than be obssessed over Brooke. Maybe he needs to go out and look for a new job. The Cafe Russe looks like they need staff... Or maybe he could go grovel to CJ to get a job at Insomnia...

[@babs4848]

But is Brooke the one who can fire someone at FC...

[@NewYorkNick0607]

😂 Seriously though why is there no fallout from the Forresters banishing Thorne? That should've been mined for drama and pathos but they haven't done anything with it since it happened. There's a weightlessness to scenes like that on the show right now. They'll stage these dramatic moments (Stephanie's ultimatum/Kimberly attacking Brooke) but then there are no repercussions and it just vanishes into the ether (no angst from Thorne or regret from Stephanie/Brooke taking Kimberly back as a model and doesn't even seem scared of her).

[@bettyhopson]

@@NewYorkNick0607 Good points…. The writers seem a bit scatterbrained. They’ll start something and then they don’t finish it. Example fallout from Stephanie disowning Thorne from the family. Then there is Kimberly who threatens Brooke and wrecks her office and nothing happens to her? She is still working at FC and Thorne is not? Why wouldn’t Thorne still be working at FC since Brooke is the CEO? 🤷‍♀️ The Forresters are showing it’s who you know with this custody of little Eric, who is not a blood relative to any of them. Where are Becky‘s parents in this? 🤔

[@annieo6527]

@@NewYorkNick0607 I know! The show spent a whole year setting up the "Stephanie must never know about Brooke and Thorne's relationship or it will be catastrophic" narrative, and then when Stephanie does find out we get _two_ scenes of payoff (the funeral and the "intervention") and then for some inexplicable reason Stephanie _exits_ the storyline again, by simply disowning Thorne, which in Thorne's case makes little difference compared to how his family normally treats him.

[@DevikaK100]

Remember that CJ is angry at Thorne for leading Macy to her death, so he won't give her a job.

[@MichelleCootee]

Thank you so much for this really great episode and I hope that everyone is having a great day too

[@annieo6527]

"When the time comes - use me." Sally has been very passive in the storylines lately, so it's a nice change to see her get more actively involved in CJ's drama - especially since this is likely to make this storyline about Sally vs Stephanie, which is _always_ a good idea.

[@-Lily7415]

I love Sally❤

[@DevikaK100]

The idiot of the day, for this episode, is Thorne. How can he expect for things to go smoothly, when he's involved with the woman who married and had two children with his father? And of course, remember that Brooke is another one of Ridge's "discards," meaning a woman who came to him after things didn't work out with her dreamboat Ridge. No wonder that after just one conversation that he overhears a year later, Thorne leaves Brooke in a snap second. He's also the only one who hasn't expressed desire to reignite things with Brooke. Looking back, he's blinded to the red flags that are blowing in his face.

[@annieo6527]

I think Thorne is so committed to Brooke partially because he needs to convince himself that it's real. He's overdoing it because on some level, he knows deep down that he is not her first choice.

[@lil_jon411]

So their argument for taking lil Eric is because Amber and cj aren’t the bio parents but neither is Rick. “I should be lil Eric’s father” yea well to bad Rick, we all don’t get what we want, and CJ feels the same way so why should what you want be more important? I can’t tell who’s more entitled, Ric, Thorne, or ridge?

[@TriniT21]

I like how Steph is the pretty much the only one who can see this. She knows they have the power, but questions whether they have the right.

[@annieo6527]

@@TriniT21 Yes! I liked that at least Stephanie questions the moraIity of what they are doing. Rick and Eric seem completely unconcerned with this.

[@TriniT21]

@@annieo6527 Rick seems to have a little question mark too. But Eric.. Geez.. He's determined to have the baby. I don't know why... Not like he has a history of taking care of any child...

[@annieo6527]

@@TriniT21 maybe it's because it's his namesake. It could be an ego thing.

[@TriniT21]

@@annieo6527 I guess so... But considering Eric Sr Sr didn't even care that much about raising his first namesake....

[@scor66]

CJ and Sally❤❤

[@annlavine3576]

my happiness lays with you ( this week)

[@annlavine3576]

CJ was married to Becky the mom that makes him the legal dad

[@lyndathompson3399]

Screw it, if I were Brooke, I would tell Thorne to announce it while I was in Hawaii with Bridget. Multitasking!!! 😂😂😂

[@-Lily7415]

Thorne was thinking of Brooke when he was in the shower rubbing one out.

[@annieo6527]

Yeah, the moment Thorne said "I was just thinking about you... when I was in the shower" I thought the same. 🤢

[@HereIAmInYourLife]

Sally❤

[@isabellamelissa4658]

where is episode 2120 and season 8 ???????????????

[@O.J.S.]

Stephanie was the only Forrester at that time who consistently used their brain. Or perhaps she was the only Forrester who had a brain. 😀

[@babs4848]

I don't see Bridget as a trubled teenage girl... yet

[@TriniT21]

She's a teenage girl whose mother is troubled

[@annieo6527]

@@TriniT21 exactly! Bridget is not the troubled one. She is the levelheaded one.

[@babs4848]

​@@annieo6527Thorne sees it from his spoiled perspective and Brooke can't read her children. And Taylor has to remember Brooke that Bridget needs her mother more than Thorne now. But Brooke thinks two days is enough to make Bridget change her mind...

[@bettyhopson]

I think that Bridget is a troubled teenager. She has witnessed her other brother, Ridge leave her mother. Back then Bridget thought of Ridge as a father figure. In fact, she thought he was her father…till he wasn’t. So I definitely say Bridget could be troubled from that experience? 😮 Agree that Brooke’s children Rick and Bridget have not had a stable family life. Due to Brooke and Ridge’s behaviors. They once thought they had love and security, but that all changed. 🥴

[@O.J.S.]

More than anything else, what Thorne is being is a TERRIBLE BIG BROTHER (half or full doesn't matter at this point). How doesn't he have more empathy for Bridget and understand the social and psychological impact that this is having on her?!

[@mdw6275]

@14:44 Miss Logan wants to act. Brought the twins with her while she rolls her eyes and puts her hand on her hip.

[@leviaj1]

What's interesting is that neither Stephanie nor Brooke are great mothers, but for different reasons. Stephanie is a controlling mother whose entire existence revolves around ensuring that her children (and even Brooke's children) lead the lives she wants them to lead. Brooke is a self-obsessed mother who uses and manipulates her children to further her own goals. When Hope's born, Brooke's mothering style begins to mirror Stephanie's mothering style. Perhaps it's meant to be a sign of character growth. But, in reality, it's not. It's really just Brooke adapting to being another kind of bad mother.

[@samanthabryan9730]

Amber is the younger version of Brooke.

[@brandlyscottconner9824]

596 Episodes Until Bold & Beautiful Season 15

[@annakorba8333]

What is Brook doing and her face is not fresh like Taylor?