Obscure Changes in The Thousand Year Door Remake!

[@RangePup]

One thing I saw mentioned by people on Twitter was that Boberie used to be the only one who wouldn't fall asleep to Luigi's stories for whatever reason in the Gamecube version, and people headcanon'd that into a character trait that makes sense cause he likes to listen to tales like that. They "fixed" it in the remake so now he falls asleep too.

[@sapphireweapon12345]

Nah, Bobbery's still the same. They just buffed Luigi to have his Sleep infliction chance bypass immunities. 😂

[@zethroth0077]

In the original game from what I seen boberie does fall asleep to Luigi story however his sleep animation just made him look frozen and not go into the sleep animation. So all they did was fix it so now he properly goes into the animation instead of being bugged.

[@nathanielsmith1879]

Apparently Feeling Fine doesn't clash with the electric status effect in the remake! Truly, that was the best correction that could have been made. 😁

[@ramsesfernandezsandershila1066]

What do you mean?

[@cryodual]

@@ramsesfernandezsandershila1066Electric is a positive effect because it doesn't make you take damage, instead it makes direct attacking enemies take 1 damage (so like getting Bobbery's Hold Fast ability but for free). Feeling Fine is supposed to get rid of negative effects like Poison and Burning but Electric is a positive effect so it shouldn't be nullified when equipping the badge, but the original NGC release made Electric impossible to get when wearing Feeling Fine.

[@Tael98]

I think in the OG the Feeling Fine badge prevented you from getting electrified

[@Spoul-does-drawing]

@@Tael98that’s what the comment above you is littary saying

[@Tael98]

@Manarchickl wow, when I made mine it wasn't there haha (I was using mobile)

[@Sevenes7-S]

As for the fact about Tattle no longer spoiling: If you use Tattle on Red Chomps in the Pit of 100 Trials, Goombella still tells you that Grubba supposedly painted the Chomps red. So if you collect the Tattle Log in the Pit before Chapter 3, she tells you about Grubba before you canonically meet him in the story.

[@grfrjiglstan]

Also, if you fight the brown Cleft enemy in the Pit, she’ll tell you that they live on the moon even if you haven’t started chapter 7 yet.

[@notelainemay7996]

gee, I hope someone got fired for THAT blunder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@natnew32]

@@grfrjiglstan That actually happened to me, I found Moon Clefts in the pit before chapter 4.

[@HaplessIdiot]

Who cares 😂 if you get triggered by spoilers don't play games and do something else if it KILLS your immersion to be told things about fiction early

[@Snowstorm...]

I think she'll also talk about Koops before you meet him when tattling Koopie Koo. Although, that's a lot less immersion breaking

[@OinglorBoinglor]

Adding new tattle logs for bosses you fight again is smart because if you skipped tattling the Shadow Sirens in the original Chapter 2 fight, you'd only get Vivian's tattle in the trash can. Which spoils you'll fight the other two again but not her. In the remake, now you'll get all three of their tattle logs since Chapter 2 Beldam and Marilyn are unique.

[@ironwolf677]

A really nice change that I love from the overworld, is that the room where the TYD is located, will have its background music add more instruments and melodies as you advance in the story.

[@Silverstar114]

The prompt flying away from non guardable attacks also lets the player know that they aren't crazy and actually are hitting the timing.

[@dcmcmother3531]

8:16 it's also a bit of story telling since he has that life shroom yet doesn't uses it on any of the partners which implies that Mario goes out of his way to give the mushroom to his partners when they KO

[@GreatFernicus]

That’s REALLY funny actually, picturing the partners being like “Mario pls help we’re dying over here” and Doopliss just refusing them

[@RedAKAii]

"Hammer Throw is one of the worst badges in Thousand Year Door" and yet the stylish animation for it goes hard. Curious.

[@benox50]

lol yea, the stylish for it is unique with extra efforts put in

[@Mauripsu]

Read this in Travis' voice

[@nickk3077]

If you cook a Thunder Rage and a Thunderbolt, that yields a Trial Stew, which according to the wiki said was Japanese exclusive in the original game.

[@randomnpc445]

Apparently there's quite a few recipes that are different in the remake because they're based on the JP recipes. It's interesting how many things were taken from the JP version when doing the remake, but they decided to keep the English version's tiny list of un-superguardable attacks.

[@ThaneGaming]

It’s really funny when you compare the steps to making Trail Stew between both versions… GameCube (English): 1. Cooked Fire Flower = Spicy Soup 2. Golden Leaf + Ice Storm = Snow Bunny 3. Spicy Soup + Snow Bunny = Couple’s Cake 4. Hot Sauce + Turtley Leaf = Inky Sauce 5. Inky Sauce + Slow Shroom = Poison Shroom 6. Couple’s Cake + Poison Shroom = Trial Stew Switch: 1. Thunder Rage + Thunder Bolt = Trial Stew I never bothered making it as a kid because of all the rare ingredients required for a very niche item! I'm happy I actually got to test it out in the remake 😅

[@supermariohack3218]

I'm pretty sure i also got a recipe from the international version to work. So either they included all recipes from both versions or it's a weird mishmash...

[@neffrey]

​@@ThaneGaming you could actually skip a step for the poison shroom by using a slow shroom + point swap instead of making the inky sauce

[@suchnerve]

Trial Stew seems like a handy way to replenish SP until you consider that you can simply stack lots of Super Appeals instead. I like to do: 1. Supernova 2. Rally Wink with Stylish move (~½ SP) 3. Mario Appeal with 22 Super Appeals (~5½ SP) 4. Repeat until all enemies are gone

[@sparrowflyaway]

Regarding the Crystal Star sequence at the end, I really liked the fact that the speech bubbles of everyone sending their wishes back to Mario are now coloured and misty, instead of being just regular old speech bubbles like the original had. It really emphasises the connection that is being forged between the Queen's tomb and the rest of the region, and shows that each and every area you've been to is cheering you on(whereas before you could only tell the source of a couple of the messages by their character's speech pattern).

[@dustymcwari4468]

I also really love how they added way more people to the cutscene, you now see way more of the fellow fighters and Prince Mush at Glitzville, the townsfolk at Twilight Town are now outside, Cortez's Embers are present alongside everyone at Keelhaul Key because he himself can't leave his ship, the Excess Express employees join everyone at Poshley Heights, and you now see General White and village Bob-Ombs alongside the normal ones at Far Far Outpost, and many important characters at Rogueport are also present now when the stars fly to their respective locations And the new expresions just really add so much to the scene, like Koopie Koo worrying about Koops' well being And I also love a hecking lot how the scene where everything's engulfed in darkness now have everything be covered in shadow hands, its way more terrifying and thematically fitting for the Shadow Queen

[@VirtualMarmalade]

i actually liked the old way the tattle locations worked - seeing location names i hadn't heard of when i first played as a kid made the world feel bigger and sold goombella as a smart character who knows about the world more than the player/mario. plus in the glitz pit especially it is very wrestling to be like "ALL THE WAY FROM KEELHAUL KEY, ITS THE GREEEEN FUZZYYYY" and you don't have any idea where that is but it's still a Vibe

[@buddy9848]

Another badge change once again involves Doopliss. If you fight him for the first time with the W Emblem equipped, then his disguise will also be Wario’s color scheme after you beat him. He does not revert back to red if you unequip the W Emblem, however. Also holds true to the refight in the Palace of Shadow. He will copy the colors of the W Emblem (Wario), L Emblem (Luigi), or both at the same time (Waluigi). Edit: I just thought of something, is Doopliss coded to copy the Gold Medal if you have it equipped?

[@Fixional]

And an npc in twilight town will talk about his yellow hat and purple overalls

[@zettarin]

There is even an NPC who has dialogue addressing this when he’s in the house chowing down. Thinking their Yellow Hat and Purple Overalls are cool

[@braddaks7]

I’m assuming the original dialogue mentions red hat and blue overalls, unless he goes out of his way to talk about this and just says something different with Mario’s normal colors.

[@tonydragon784]

​@@FixionalMade me so happy to see thst

[@WackoMcGoose]

@@zettarin Which has me _super curious_ to know if they also included cases for the L Emblem and W+L Emblem, just in case someone _inevitably_ finds a sequence break to do Chapter 6 early (or, y'know, hacks an L Emblem into their save file For Science).

[@radical9169]

17:46 as a kid I saw that the green fuzzies were from Keelhaul Key, and I assumed that it wouldn't be a place I would ever see, just some far off land like the places Luigi talked about. I thought it was cool worldbuilding to see foreign fuzzies all come to the Glitz Pit.

[@mikau2123]

I thought I missed a secret area

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah, honestly spoiling future locations kind of added to the sense of wonder. Old games used to do that deliberately to get you excited like Banjo Kazooie did that a lot when characters (namely Gobi) would say he's going to a forest, and then later would say "now I'm going to a hot fiery area" hinting at a future level in the sequel, but as a kid, I was like "WHat's the volcano place he's talking about?" until the sequel came out. It just kind of gives you something to look forward to as a new player, but in this day and age... it's so hard to avoid having entire games (especially like THIS one) spoiled completely before it even comes out.

[@P.H691]

One change that I don’t like in the remake is what they did for the audience. I love hearing them scream or react when either you interact with them or if the boss reacts to them in the original. Seeing Cortez or shadow queen draining the souls of the audience and there being no scream feels off. It is dark, but funny

[@dustymcwari4468]

Yeah, its weird that they don't scream when the boss is killing them, takes some of the atmosphere away tbh Cortez looks especially funny because he now also faces the camera while he robs souls, his fat face was definitely not supposed to be seen facing front like that xd

[@NutsAndThighs]

Similarly, it was always a bit subtle in the original but if I recall they would steadily clap when you used certain special attacks too, and I don't think I can hear it anymore in the remake.

[@impachoblue1301]

Yeah both the lack of screaming and just how much quieter they are when cheering kinda bugs me. For a moment I almost thought there was no cheering. Either way its just a minor nitpick

[@willmorris8334]

I honestly kinda liked the screaming being taken out. It sounded like a little kid screaming. And they used the same scream for every audience member, so it got annoying after a while. It did make the game somewhat darker, but they should've made a different scream for each type of member in the audience. I guess that's just me though

[@NickMario1]

@@dustymcwari4468hey he’s not fat!

[@judethomas6400]

Another super obscure change is that they moved the Ultra Shroom and Jammin Jelly from the secret room behind Gloomtail's room to the room before Grodus (and the devs also added a Fire Flower in this room as well to have an easier time with the Grodus Xs), meaning that while they're much harder to miss, you can't get them before the second Shadows fight. The secret room still exists, it just has a Gradual Syrup, Shooting Star, and Mystery now. Also also, during the scene after the Shadow Queen awakens, Professor Frankly is now in the entrance of the Palace of Shadow rather than Gloomtail's room.

[@EATZYOWAFFLEZ]

Always seemed odd to me that Frankly was in the gloomtail room. Glad they fixed that.

[@warmute4886]

still can hit grodus staff tho lol

[@JackVice]

“… with your new playthrough… or two.” Bringle knows his audience.

[@FurryWhoGames]

Nah he knows how good the game is, this game is a gem ive played over and over

[@MadWeegee]

I've played every Mario rpg I have like 6 times over 😭

[@scanchannel3259]

@@MadWeegee Same ... except for Super Mario RPG i have only played it twice and didn't beat it till the switch remake came out. (Because i didn't started playing RPG until last year way before the remake was announced.)

[@SirFlopsy]

I can't be the only one who found it really annoying that a hotdog and hot sauce yielded a Mistake in the original game, right? I am so happy with that change! That was definitely one of my pet peeves in the original.

[@Novarcharesk]

Especially after they explicitly state that the entire point of the hot sauce was to be used on it 😂

[@Enaronia]

The Bub-Ulb who wants a spicy hot dog still only accepts the Hot Dog item, though.

[@RickyRister]

@@Enaronia I guess they couldn't handle the heat

[@marlysalt]

The world wasn't ready for it yet

[@VOLATILEVOXELS]

@@EnaroniaI tried this myself, he still says “this has no resemblance to a hot dog” or whatever that line is

[@HammerTrowIsPeak_WaddleDingus]

I am halfway through my Hammer Throw only challenge in TTYD and NOW I hear about this.

[@MarioMastar]

Shame cause I LOVE hammer throw's concept. It's cool how it can hit any enemy anywhere and was always a useful back pocket attack if you didn't want to equip spike shield or a floating enemy was hostile. But the nerf to it kind of killed the whole point of it and really gives Mario no cheap ways to deal with hostile floating enemies. They really should've just left it alone. Piercing defense is completely useless if you're doing 2 damage in the late game... Though I guess Tornado jump suffers a similar issue.

[@Viewtifulyoshi]

I’m glad they added the hottest dog recipe. It was so bizarre to have the OG side quest revolve around both the hot dogs and hot sauce for it to not be an actual in-game item. Counting those chairs was not in vain.

[@iblitz95]

I never would've guessed that Frost Piranhas were changed to have freezing _breath_ instead of a freezing _bite._ Mostly because that's just... how they worked in _Super Paper Mario._ Funny how that works.

[@MarioMastar]

There's a lot of evidence that this game took some notes from Super Paper Mario. the way the Hottest Dog works is similar to the hotsauce in SPM where it'd boost your attack power, so it's nice they kind of added that touch.

[@mannnetwork7147]

The best change for me is that they added new versions of the hooktail theme for gloomtail and bonetail. Listen to all 3 back to back and it sounds like it progresses more and more from hook to gloom to bone

[@crazycat1o18]

Doopliss in chapter 4 and his hammer attack now ignores zaptap effects thanks to it's ranged, indirect nature unlike in the original, and the english version now includes the souless mario/doopliss animation whenever you choose to submit to the shadow queen when given the option before the final battle, which previously was only seen in the japanese release of the game on gcn

[@MarioMastar]

That soulless glare was COLD, and I loved it! Having the hat actually drape over the eyes was a nice touch. I also like how the partner is stunned and jaw dropped if you accept. Though adding expressions in general tripled this game's presentation quality. Especially Yoshi who has a lot more expressions than one would think.

[@houndoomdude2]

I actually really like the new hot dog recipe. The whole story of the trouble is about combining hot sauce with hot dogs so it was pretty dumb that that combination turned up a Mistake in the original.

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

But it's so frustrating that you can't actually _do_ anything with it. You should be able to give it to the salesman, or something? Even if he only says like, "Great, now I can show Mr. Hoggle what the product will look like!" and gives you a hotel voucher, or 20 coins, or some other random prize. Or you should be able to give it to Bub-ulber, your "spicy" Bub-ulb friend in Petalburg, he would love it... but it's just not an option.

[@MarioMastar]

@@Wendy_O._Koopa In fairness, the jocular tone of Hoggie being such a hard8ss on mixing the ingredients is kind of meant to imply it has a strong effect if YOU find a way to pull it off. And it sure does as akin to Super Paper Mario, it boosts your attack on top of healing you...albeit only by 1 point, but still, it's good tempo for comebacks. Now what I'D like to see is you give the hottest dog to Bul-ulber (the annoying one who gaslights you into giving him hotdogs multiple times and starts acting like you're suddenly his long time best bud) and him burning his taste buds so bad he can't taste anything, then he apologizes and gives you a REAL useful item or lets you just BUY dried buds. Gosh I hate that character. XD

[@Bulborbliker]

Some more changes: Hammer throw's action command went from 5 dots to 4 dots like the other hammer moves. They fixed KP Koopa's color at the end of the game where he cheers you on with the Crystal Star. (He was miscolored as blue in the original. They fixed the infamous reversed dialogue when you confront Grodus at the end of the game. (Though this was a mistake exclusive to the English version). Another change is that the fuzzy horde (when you fight the gold fuzzy) and the X-nauts (when you fight Crump after chapter 6) have now their own tattle entry. Before, they counted as a fuzzy or a regular x-naut, so if you tattled them before, then you would already have their heath bar. Interestingly enough, Goombella still had unique dialogue for their tattles in the original game.

[@volvoman5262]

Same can be said for re-fights like Shadow sirens or Bowser

[@OstianOwl]

Dooplis reviving if you kill him before Vivian joins you reminds me a lot of the Crash N. Sane Trilogy Tiny Tiger boss fight where you get cheese thrown at you if you stand in the specific corner to avoid one of his attacks, thus "cheesing" the fight. I love when remake devs include Easter eggs like this that acknowledge how fans played/broke the original games.

[@ziqi92]

If the Tattles were wrong in the original, that’s a key indication that the text had those numbers hard-coded in the original and didn’t get updated as difficulty balance changes were made. In the new version, no errors likely meant that they had the stats directly programmed into the text so that it auto-updated if stats were tweaked during production. So for those of you learning programming, remember, never hard-code your numbers! Always use variables.

[@lpfan4491]

And then there are games that purposefully lie to you about enemy stats like Undertale and Deltarune. xD

[@TheWrathAbove]

It's worth considering that the original system might have been non-referential plain text for space purposes. Alternatively, it may have been a design decision (potentially due to those space limitations) made in Paper Mario 64 that was carried over through code reuse. That said, any reasons to not tie such things to variables are non-applicable for most modern game dev, so it's a good rule of thumb.

[@Skullhawk13]

@@lpfan4491Undertale doesn’t lie about San’s STATS they lie about him being weak. His attacks do only 1 damage and he is a OHKO. The game just neglects to mention that’s per frame damage plus dot and he dodges.

[@lpfan4491]

@@Skullhawk13 Not Sans, the game is truthful about him. But many, many other enemies across both games just show made up stats. UT in particular is funny because it did originally list accurate stats, but then a patch introduced the made up displays for "immersion purposes".

[@Skullhawk13]

@@lpfan4491 oh…weird

[@gamerguyandsomenumbers]

Something I've noticed in the remake that doesn't seem to be present in the original version (at least from the videos I've seen) is that enemies with a non-healing item will *always* use them once it's their turn to attack. I've seen enemies with items choose to attack in videos of the original game, but in my 80 or so hours of playing the remake they've always used their item if they had one.

[@KyleDavis328]

I didn't keep close attention but it definitely seemed like if I ever let an enemy with a non-healing item live to take its turn it would use it immediately.

[@SenilTheSynth]

@@KyleDavis328 I've noticed the same, to the point where I try to wipe them out first if it's something annoying like a Stopwatch or Dizzy Dial. Just don't want to deal with that nonsense.

[@twiddle10000]

I’ve also noticed this, to add to the list

[@Makerkiddo]

I'm my time playing, they only ever used healing items if they were damaged. If they had other items, it was almost a 50/50 if they used it or not. Most times they didn't.

[@generallyunimportant]

you get a like just for your name, its hilarious

[@sambauer4094]

during the shadow queen fight when she is invincible, boberie's delayed bomb attack now only counts as 1 hit rather than 3, so you can no longer skip that phase of the fight in 1 turn

[@kevinflores2011]

Yep. Learned that the hard way.

[@mistahl5350]

I tried that on my first Danger Mario run in the remake, thinking I was so smart for saving turns to avoid damage, then it didn't progress like in the original. Oh...awkward...hi M'lady...

[@condoslime776]

Bomb squad also tends to fizzle due to phase changes now. If say, cortez heads into phase 2, all bomb squad bombs explode immediately and are wasted. This unfortunately stops you from instakilling phase 2 cortez now.

[@Skullhawk13]

@@condoslime776is bomb squad even good anymore

[@MarioMastar]

@@Skullhawk13 Rip Bobbery....first he blows up his own fog, then Bomb Squad is made as useless as hold fast... Scarlette would be rolling in her grave.

[@piplupfan5106]

Honesty, the changes to peril strats are much better in my opinion. Leveling healing everyone is a great QOL change, and the easiness of getting into peril made it even better.

[@XryookuX]

Side note about the Creepy Steeple Quiz Boo, he only gives a new 3 part quiz per chapter beat, the final 15 question quiz being accessible after beating the game.

[@teddy4271]

Regarding the tattle log changes not spoiling future locations, Goombella's tattle for the moon cleft does still kinda give away the game if you happen to attempt the pit before chapter 7. "That's a Moon Cleft. It's your basic Cleft living on the moon."

[@eitanweinbaum2276]

Changing “END OF CHAPTER” to “CLEAR” hit me like a monster truck

[@randomizedtaco6565]

I was so disappointed when I saw it.

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

I've seen people complain about it, but no one's been able to describe what's wrong? Is it just bad because change is bad?

[@Morgan-zb7ww]

​@@Wendy_O._Koopa personally, "end of chapter" gives a much bigger impact to me and a better feeling of accomplishment. cus we are playing through chapters, we start each area with "chapter _, title name" so it closes it off nicely imo! having it end with "clear" doesnt feel as satisfying, because these arent levels in regular mario games that you clear in a number of minutes, theyre several hour gameplay with story! i cant tell u how much is driven by nostalgia, though, but i am biased. (i do wonder what the consensus is for first time ttyd players in this remake, who go try the gc version after)

[@matteoinocencio9702]

If you have ever watched any youtuber play through it, then you know most of them cheer and say, "End Of Chapter!!" rather enthusiastically or with great energy. It's mostly because of nostalgia that it seems like a bad change.

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

@@matteoinocencio9702 I wonder why no one has ever said that? It sounds like a perfectly reasonable explanation, and I've never watched a Let's Play because I just played it myself several times before KZbin existed. ​@Morgan-zb7ww IDK, the "feeling of accomplishment" I get is from the actual accomplishment. It doesn't really matter much what the game says to me. "The End" or "Thanks For Playing" or "Congratulations" are all pretty interchangeable, but whatever, apparently I'm in the minority here.

[@DarkKoopatrol]

Bob-ombs actually do reward Star Points when detonated, it's just Bulky Bob-ombs and Bob-ulks that don't.

[@Purechaos61]

One change that I greatly appreciate is that you can now learn the timing for guarding much easier in the remake compared to the original. Pressing the A button at any point during an enemy’s turn will cause Mario and his partner to perform their guard animations. By doing this, you can easily see that Mario and his partner will guard for only about half of a second. Being able to see exactly how long Mario and his partners guard for makes it easier (at least to me) to learn the guard timing compared to the original.

[@MarioMastar]

They also will do a jumping pose when you attempt to superguard, indicating that pressing the B button DOES actually do something, the fact that it lasts for a few frames makes pulling it off feel more like a "That's what it does!" moment, though I do feel superguards aren't as "Snappy" as they were before.

[@paulmann8570]

I knew Sleep was buffed. I remember going in mentally ready for the enemies to wake up after being hit and they just…didn’t.

[@psymar]

The Hottest Dog got added because the original Japanese GameCube version hinted at it only it didn't work. In the US they made the line refer to a "Fat Dog" instead to be less misleading, but now they've fixed it properly.

[@BubbyBoy]

4:59 worth mentioning that hammer throw is the only way to hit ceiling enemies with a hammer

[@Haos51]

Quake Hammer can also hit them.

[@BubbyBoy]

@Haos51 You might be right, but, for some reason, I remembered one or two edge cases when I needed hammer throw during a hammer only run. Mostly for the swoopers who camp at the top of the screen

[@Spoul-does-drawing]

Something I want to point out most people wouldn’t notice, When you start a 2nd save file and reach up to baby yoshi, if it’s a different colour, it will show that colour yoshi on the title screen instead of the one from your complete playthrough / continued playthough

[@justaregulardude3195]

No mention of only being able to fight Wings of Night in Chapter 3 through exhibition/dropping your rank, and then them completely vanishing from chapter 4+ would have been a cool change to add an extra fight for the pit climb when you become champion a second time but I guess IS didn't wanna do that

[@brolytriplethreat]

It would be two extra fights. The Destructors exist too, as trivial as Spinias and Spanias are

[@miwestraveler3986]

You also can't drop your rank anymore, except when you're champion. Makes sense, you shouldn't drop your rank when fighting opponents higher than you.

[@yoshifan2334]

@@miwestraveler3986in the original you’d only drop rank if you lost a fight with a team below you, and you’d only fight a team lower ranked than you if you failed Grubba’s condition

[@chrisjohnsen8448]

The modding community must bring justice to Hammer Throw. I'm actually doing a Hammerman run currently, so there are times where I have to use it. Good thing for buffs and Power Plus, at least.

[@jasonkeith2832]

It would likely be a programming challenge, but making hammer throw work with status hammers would mean it actually is useful.

[@paulmann8570]

Spiked Parabuzzies: You could throw your Hammer…or you could press B.

[@siphons5737]

@@paulmann8570 Fuck them, I'm using an item on them 100% of the time, it's taking way too long to beat them on a pre-hooktail pit

[@sapphireweapon12345]

Easy enough, just keep the defense piercing change and roll back the fixed damage. What really would be tricky is making Tornado Jump good.

[@siphons5737]

@@sapphireweapon12345 Yeah don't do that, you'll make piercing blow useless and that's not a good idea to make another badge useless/

[@Surgemaster2012]

The typo on Rawk Hawks tattle in OG came from the fact that they didn't compensate the change from the original Japanese version, where he did have 1 defense. I believe this is also why they left some enemy attacks unsuperguardable as well.

[@okguy167]

One correction: Flurrie can clear fog, too, with Gale Force. I don't recall if it was in the original, though.

[@condoslime776]

It exists in the original. Explosive items and ice storms also clear fog.

[@MarioMastar]

I'm just glad Gale Force still gives SP too. still useful and comes in clutch.

[@ARandomTrout356]

I mean, it does have a 75% chance to INSTANTLY clear Elite Wizzerds, so if you get 5 of them, then Gale Force will clear about 3-4 of them when used. Very useful, and the 1HP partner auto-revive is great for easily opening a battle with Gale Force.

[@theburningbaron6417]

Hammer Throw's nerf was pretty bad. Even if it was very niche in the original, lowering the damage does not make up for the piercing damage. Like what are you piercing at a distance that Piercing Blow can't already hit for full damage? You can already get Spike Shield for the only truly defensive flying enemy in the game (Spiked Parabuzzy) so it's just pointless. And the damage reduction makes it useless against the only real reason I can think of for using it; charged up Ice/Poison Puffs. Pretty unfortunate nerf, even for a badge rarely used.

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

If we can petition for a patch that adds further QoL (such as dialogue auto-advance, fast-forward, and restored dialogue log), can we have this nerf undone?

[@totokekedile]

Spike Shield is pretty missable for new players, though.

[@Novarcharesk]

@@totokekedileI find this argument meaningless. New players can open their eyes. Fixed.

[@warmute4886]

i never used hammer throw, for the puffs i just did multibounce and rally wink. which deals for me 18dmg to all enemies

[@malachiatkinson7245]

​@@Novarcharesk_wow,_ you _really_ didn't have to phrase that so pretentiously

[@ZanyWitch7]

As a long-time champion regarding the Happy Lucky Lottery Booth, I wanted to mention one of the most random changes to it that caught my eye. In the original, Lucky catching the player changing the clock backwards and forcing the 500 coin fine was confined to just the one save file the player did it on. On my second and third playthroughs of the remake, on different and BRAND NEW files, and before I could even get the first ticket usually at 10 coins, I saw that the lottery was already suspended, Lucky had that fuzzy speech bubble above him, and he still charged 500 coins even though I genuinely didn't do anything to my clock after making the new files. I don't know all the details of getting this potentially permanent issue to one's game data fixed, but keep that in mind if you really want to get the Power Plus & Lucky Day badges from the lottery on repeat playthroughs while also changing your Switch clock back to the correct date afterwards.

[@morphstarchangeling8024]

They made hammer throw work like quake hammer, without any of the actually good parts of being quake hammer.

[@quadrewplex6782]

even worse part is if you try to equip several Hammer throw badges to increase the power, it only increases by 1 per badge, while quake hammer increases by 2 per badge. it does cost 1 bp but having to grind piantas for the duplicate badges has a much worse payoff for hammer throw than quake hammer.

[@Robbie_Haruna]

I think the only time it might ever be worth using over Quake Hammer would be... Maybe hitting stuff like Wizzerds in the pit if they're at the back of a line of enemies?

[@vini64]

15:52 ayy that's me! always fun coming across my name when I least expect LMAO love your content, Bringle!

[@theholymage7188]

I feel like the "spoilers" for locations makes sense, as Goombella is, you know, looking them up. Of course this book would say where they're from.

[@Nyahahameha]

Bobbery's Bomb clears fog?! That woulda been nice to know, _Battle Master!_

[@Twentydragon]

20:00 - Hoggle also wanted to add an egg to a Hot Dog. If you try it with Zess T., you get a Mistake, probably indicating his idea wasn't a good one anyway.

[@kennethferrari1342]

KP koopas sprite was fixed in the shadow queen cut scene.

[@Zyaire286]

For the Quiz boo in chapter 4, they showed up after I open the chest that release the boos in the mansion. Though after giving the response of 200 to the first boo, I still get called a math nerd for counting all the boos that escape….

[@KyleDavis328]

Only certain quizzes are available based on the state of the game, the last quiz I know is not available before the start of chapter 8, but I didn't check during 8, so I had to wait until post game to get the money money

[@Zyaire286]

@@KyleDavis328really? I didn’t know that

[@tofudog1769]

In the remake, tattle was probably programed differently. Instead of printing hand-typed stats and description, the code probably just detects what enemy you're tattling and prints stats from it's prefab. So it would be print([Enemy.Name], [Enemy.MaxHP ], [Enemy.Attack], [Enemy.Defense], [Enemy.Description], meaning that it wouldn't actually be possible to have typos on the stats.

[@duncansparks1675]

One weird thing I noticed: They fixed the mistranslation in the Shady Koopa tattle and tattle log that incorrectly said they gain attack power when they get up from their backs... but they didn't fix it for the tattle or tattle log for the Shady Paratroopa.

[@gube2358]

One obscure fact is that if you don't tattle the bald clefts in Ch. 1 in that one specific room, they never appear again. And thus is a one-time tattle. I even waited for the trashcan in Frankly's place, but nothing. I have every tattle but that Bald Cleft at this moment. Another thing is that I got softlocked in the Pits of trials around 75. I used Bombery's minibombs on a wizard and Dark Koopatrols, and the game got confused because when the bombs exploded it killed the wizard and the koopas were on their backs, but the attack never resolved. So I was stuck watching koopas on their backs for 10 mins. I tried waiting it out or if the audience would throw something, they never did. Sadly I restarted the pits of Trials and swore not to use the minibombs.

[@joeykeilholz925]

I hope these are fixed. The tattle is very unfortunate.

[@SweeterNova]

Multibounce has a really weird detail where when you do the stylish action command too early, Mario does an animation indicating that you missed the stilish, but you can still continue the Multibounce.

[@leonmystique9372]

Well, Stylish action commands are not part of the combo, they are more like an optional thing.

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

Another obscure change I'd like to mention is when you get hit by certain stage hazards during battle the opposing enemy will laugh at you. Don't know if many people know about it, but it was hilarious when I first discovered it!😂

[@MarioMastar]

The extra anamations was easily the biggest glow up to this game. I always felt the original TTYD was dreadfully lifeless cause even Mario himself barely emoted (compared to 64 where he had a ton of unique aimations, including a funny one where he has a giant tongue and gags after eating a terrible tasting item). But the remake adding expressions to every moment really added a ton of context.

[@ChefKilo]

So with the mystery item. Around chapter 4 is when I noticed the items changed but they jumped to ultra shrooms and Jamming Jellys it never became super mushroom or maple syrups

[@CR1MSONACE]

Hammer Throw is awful *NOW?* What do you mean now, it's always been awful.

[@Sleepy-Lunatic]

True…

[@steam-powereddolphin5449]

It at least did damage equal to the basic hammer attack. Now it's like Ms. Mowz can fly.

[@houndoomdude2]

IMO it is actually marginally better now since it has some application as a back line defense piercing attack in the mid game. It may have scaled with attack in the old version but this still had less utility since the only enemies you would want to target with hammer throw have high defense

[@niar1726]

I'm still convinced Hammer Throw is only here so you can fight Swooper even with an empty party

[@dereklewis4321]

​@niar1726 move exist for hammer man runs

[@ztrumpet94]

One obscure change is that TEC no longer shows you're on the moon in the first Peach intermission when switching between scenes.

[@MAYOFORCE]

I find it baffling how they got the enemy stat numbers wrong when the JP version has it right but I'm sure it was a case where the English translation was being made while the game was still being worked on and just didn't have all the info in a timely manner. Also I liked the way the old version told you where enemies were native from using a general location rather than the first one you entered. A place like Glitz Pit would attract creatures from all over the world and hearing about far off places from the tattles adds to the tourist aspect. And seeing area names for enemies in the Pit of 100 Trials is a good indicator of how far you've gone. The only locations I wouldn't want to spoil early are the Moon and Palace of Shadow but they're at the very end.

[@HeroicJay]

I never see this one get brought up: In the original, you have to take a shower as Peach before TEC opens the door. In this version, TEC opened the door when I walked over to examine it. I hadn't even been to the bathroom yet! So I guess that makes TEC a little bit less of a voyeur? Maybe? Eh, the whole sequence is still weird.

[@docspangle]

They tried to get rid of the weird horny moments in general. Peach also doesn't go "omg I have to take my clothes off" for the invis potion either, she just does it

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

@@docspangle Yeah, I noticed the door opened already, but I still went and took my shower. I was disappointed he didn't notice this time, but I understood the change. However, when Peach doesn't object to getting naked... that's weird, right? Like, they could have just as easily, or even easier just made the potion work on her clothes, right? But to have her just go, "Tee-hee, time to get nakey!" Like, I _guess_ it draws less attention to it, but it also raises _so_ many questions! And I'm saying this as a mostly naked turtle.

[@docspangle]

@Wendy_O._Koopa sure it's weird but if they would've just made the potion work on the clothes then we would have more weirdos whining about censorship and there was already enough of that. I think they couldn't really do much else

[@Enaronia]

You never actually had to take a shower, but I think you did have to go into the bathroom.

[@Wendy_O._Koopa]

@@docspangle I mean, if they're gonna get _soooooooo_ butthurt over a few Goombas not flirting with Goombella, who cares what they think?

[@TotalMK]

The Remale uses the Original Trouble Center "Lost Wedding Ring" location. It drove me nuts as I had a guide for the OG and it said the Wedding ring was out side Gus's house. But they changed it to the Japan location which is almost impossible to see, it actually makes a noise when you are right next to it maybe as a clue, but it seems stupid as you only hear it when you are about to pick it up.

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah THAT threw me off.... but I kind of like it as it made the trouble encourage you to explore more and while it makes less sense HOW frankly lost his ring on the roof tops, it makes more sense why he couldn't find it even if he looked for it. Makes Ms Mowz a bit more useful.

[@K2MNI]

There’s a lot of small overworld changes too that could be covered like changes to first strikes or loss of momentum when riding Yoshi off a ledge.

[@mistahl5350]

And from normal falling turning you into a light but immovable rock.

[@MarioMastar]

Yoshi's momentium in general feels weird, he like accelerates but he feels a lot faster than original. Still makes it kind of feel slippery if you need to position him precisely. and yes First strikes are FAR easier to perform since you can hammer in all 8 directions.

[@dmas7749]

i would've added some sort of flair or glow to unsuperguardable attacks to really rub it in

[@Drby_]

I KNEW I wasn’t crazy. Power bounce is harder

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah, I'd ALWYAS fail it at the 4th jump.... what a sneaky nerf.

[@gabs3147]

As far as I can remember, they changed EVERY item with "Shroom" in the name to instead be "Mushroom". I have absolutely no clue why.

[@MegamanXfan21xx]

Probably to avoid drug connotations.

[@volvoman5262]

Because shrooms were only in Paper Mario

[@vyxalcookie2122]

In the original, Grubba have you the condition to use a special move against Rawk Hawk, but it didn't actually matter if you did or not. In the remake, he instead just tells you to go all out for the championship battle, with no conditions, which I think makes a lot more sense thematically.

[@VitaminP]

Just basically marathoned your TTYD + TTYD remake videos as I just 100% the game for the first time in a long time. Absolutely KILLING it with your videos. Super excited to watch more

[@eberlin6373]

I commented this on the original post but something I noticed was a minor cutscene(?) (gameplay? no clue) change in Chapter 5 when you free the toads from the boat. In the original, when you hit one of the buttons that release barrels, it pulls up two barrels on one side of the dock. In the remake however, it pulls up one barrel from each side of the dock! I noticed this because I always loved going to tease the toads before releasing them back into the world :) Thank you to the person who commented on my initial post and confirmed I wasn't crazy, I didn't even see this change in the wiki haha

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah probably for visual consistency with what was going on. I noticed little changes like that throughout the whole game.

[@BadgerBeans004]

One of the tiny changes I noticed is that in the original GC version the sfx badge you use against Hooktail makes your attacks sound like a cricket while in the remake it replaces them with frog sounds

[@Skullhawk13]

The cricket was a translation thing. The game is mostly based on the Japanese version with the unfortunate exception of keeping Americian versions unsuperguardable attacks

[@Flutterdark_]

The flower fuzzy thing i actually found in my casual playthrough and just found it funny. cause you know an enemy that kills itself

[@RuneTacticss]

Should be noted that power lift got buffed too for some reason. Idk why they buffed that of all things.

[@Skullhawk13]

Because they saw little kid me not use it back in the day clearly

[@MarioMastar]

Yeah the meter now only requires 4 arrows per boost instead of 5 as before, so it's now a lot easier to get +3 and +4 attack/Def where before I'd get +2/+3 constantly. Makes Yoshi a lot better too.

[@RuneTacticss]

@@MarioMastar Why did they buff POWER LIFT OF ALL THINGS I'm sobbing

[@Devilot109]

The Quiz Boo *seems* to be adding the intended Chuck Quizmo (or Question Bug if you're nasty) content or an equivalent without messing with the fact that his absence in the game is actually commented on.

[@ndimensional15]

I didn’t think it was possible to make Hammer Throw worse, but, here we are.

[@TheRealBatabii]

I got the Bowser statue effects to appear in my playthrough, once on each side of the field

[@SomeGalNamedEve]

Honestly, even if Mystery is a really bad item, it's still pretty fun in a casual playthrough. It's cool to be able to say "let's see what chance has in store for us!" and receive a random buff in battle

[@zachattack1279]

LETS GO GAMBLING

[@MarioMastar]

@@zachattack1279 Speaking of gambling, shoutouts to PIanta parlor for nerfing the slots a bit but also kind of buffing them. I literally learned how to count the timing for the stars. Still requires focus but still easier to do for me than the plane game... but also shoutouts to them for tripling the price of every badge and item in the Parlor shop.... Seriously 450 for Money money when it was 234 before? and 150 for the attack badges...they do NOT want you to farm for danger Mario as easily.

[@explodingbearz]

That first video was what hooked me on your channel. God there's nothing better than a high quality well-produced KZbin channel with no stupid ad reads or blatant stream rips in horrible quality. Just awesome videos and someone with a really easy to listen to voice for good voiceovers

[@agentravioli2736]

Great video dude. Some of these changes are so interesting to me because a lot of them are so minor that unless you have a really deep knowledge of the original you would have no clue. Also absolutely based using “Battle on the Sea” from Octopath Traveler 2 in the enemy behavior section. Certified banger right there

[@7cubed]

Castle bowser theme being as background music in this video is peak

[@juniorjedi2563]

I think the Happy Lucky Lottery was changed, seeing as I’ve already won fourth prize three times on the same save file with no time manipulation.

[@Bd-qs5bn]

20:05 speaking of the hottest dog, did you know its description (shown in the video) says "recovers 7 HP and FP", which makes it the only item to use this wording. probably.

[@MarioMastar]

Well it's the only healing item that also boosts attack power...but it only boosts by 1 rather than 3 like Power Punch does. which is strange....

[@kittycecil3253]

Appreciate the video purely for explaining why I'm capping at 4-5 with power bounce lol. I'm decent at timing games but never perfect so it helps me understand why I'm messing up.

[@SAI-Max_D]

Bit late to the feedback but I can confirm from my own play-through that the HP and FP restoring items you can get using the Mystery Box item are already upgraded to Ultra Shrooms & Jammin' Jellies by the time you reach Chapter 4 (bought a ton after getting the "double points" sale for Pungent's Great Tree shop after Ch.2, but felt the need to use them during Ch.3)

[@sethmlarson]

Thanks for creating all this awesome content about TTYD Bringle :)

[@Mysticshosh42]

I thought hammer throw was gonna be good when i first saw the piercing defense but when i realized its like quake hammer where it needs more badges to become stronger i realized its worse lol

[@Zinkolo]

Dude Hammer throws great even with the other new badges. Came in clutch for me

[@BringlesCan]

Regular hammer does the same or more damage on enemies with 4 defense or less, and there's barely any enemies with higher than 4.

[@themizfit87]

that is insane. i was explaining to a friend that i felt that they made the 4th bounce frame perfect because it didnt feel like it wasnt meant to be done but there were times i would get the full ten but it was very rare. thats crazy it was actually frame perfect

[@victrolicgamer5219]

The quiz boo appears after you release all the boos from the chest

[@atomic_boo]

One interesting thing about the "fog on each side" mechanic is that Bobbery's attack clears enemy fog, of course. But if you're in a large encounter (4-5 enemies) and blow up too close to your own fog, he will accidentally clear that too. So it's not just appeals that can manually clear player fog.

[@gdinfernoboy2157]

At 9:58, this Boo does show up after completing chapter four. Each round of three questions is based on the chapters you had just beaten. If you didn't explore the room when reaching the steeple, you would find this Boo while attempting Zess T's trouble, which only appears after chapter four. The final set of 15 is a mashup of questions testing if you had been playing the game casually, and questions of changes to the outside area to see if you're being completely observant (I'm looking at you Riverside station time question).

[@smargio]

I thought that power bounce was harder. I'm glad it's not just me being trash.

[@WhoAmI928]

For the second Doopliss fight, if you kill him on the second turn instead of the first, he has special dialogue, I believe.

[@keelhaulsthingsthatdontmatter]

Nice video. I'm happy this game is getting the documentation it kind of struggled to get when I was a kid. I'll probably still play (well, replay) it semi-blind and go by mostly by memory, but it's nice this stuff is there.

[@karisasani7006]

8:20 I feel that Doopliss should've also done a 4th wall break where he also says, "Also how did you manage to do that much damage in the first turn of battle?! Thats a little bit cheating don't you think?"

[@ddnava96]

Little extra about the tattle log: Enemies that can be found in multiple locations hace an "ect" after the location you first tattled them in

[@ElectricFury]

9:22 the quiz boo was there for me when I found that room the first time exploring the Steeple

[@MinusBros]

Would love to see a documentation on dialogue changes as well. Stuff like typos, mistranslations and censorship.

[@natnew32]

I actually used Hammer Throw in the remake because I couldn't find spike tap for over half the game, meaning it was the only attack *Mario* had that could hit back/flying enemies immune to jumps (that didn't cost SP). I was still using it into Keelhaul Key before I finally managed to obsolete it.

[@Aleyck]

A big change for me that I discovered is that now, at the very least, all enemies in battle have a chance to drop their respective badge (Not held badges, dropped badges) after the battle. Talking about Dayzees giving Flower Saver due to being the in the battle, when the front enemy was a Hyper Cleft, for instance.

[@Gkiss3955]

Very cool. I learned some new things, also explains why I did certain actions that must've been from muscle memory