brownskins do not experience colorism

[@plantbasedheaux]

regarding the part of the video where I present evidence that “brown skins” do not experience colorism, I want to point out that while light skins experience high levels of in-group discrimination, it is still not as high as in-group discrimination that darkskins face, and most importantly, is not comparable to the systemic discrimination (economic, judicial, etc) that dark people face

[@bxvs2732]

Girl...I'm trying to figure out how your light skinned...You look medium complected..your in the category of Carmel complexioned.... especially in your thumbnail...I'm from Chicago..And we see light skin women.as HIGH YELLOW...you look the same color as Regina Hall..or Sanna Lathan....I've never heard anybody call them light skinned...y'all are in the medium/ brown skinned category.....Where are you from????

[@vaimende]

@@bxvs2732 Sanaa is light skinned fukk this medium shit, our either light or dark, hence why they say light vs dark

[@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty]

@@bxvs2732 Brown skinned is a new category, so yes she is light skinned, especially in the south

[@EnlightenedGoldenBeauty]

It’s not easier being ls than ds

[@OliviaFranks219]

@@bxvs2732girl… are you colorblind? She’s literally lightskinned. What ? Are lightskins supposed to look white now?

[@Royalrockateer]

Im brown skin like Megan Thee stallion, and in th deep south, I experience colorism, BUT I fully acknowledge that I'm not dark and I have more privileges than someone who is darker

[@sunset3633]

Honestly when I was young I’ve always said I was dark skin but people would always “correct” me and say I’m brown skin and I wasn’t mad at it definitely because I grew up in DC (chocolate city) so there are plenty of people way darker then me and lighter so saying I’m brown just made sense and I can say I honestly haven’t experienced colorism

[@akiadima3814]

I think brown skin is valid. It's like, left, right, and middle, if studies show there are people who get neutral responses then it shows another category. Bad response, good response, neutral response. It's like having to pick between black and white when grey is right there. Kinda reminds me of the one drop rule. Gonna have to watch this again.

[@vaimende]

I agree with most of what you say, however it's ignorant to claim featurism doesn't exist, light skinned women with strong features do not have the same benifits with light skinned women without strong features and let's keep it real, dark skinned women with so called mixed features do have benifits too!! Hence why people use the term, a white women dipped in chocolate!

[@kathleenking47]

Its featurism and texturism, over skin shade. There are biracials who look full black for this reason

[@vaimende]

@@kathleenking47 thank you, some biraicals look like tisha Campbell for example who is very very fair skinned yet doesn't get the same love as people like Vanessa willians who is the same skintone or darker skinned women like chilli iman and naiomi Campbell.

[@kathleenking47]

@@vaimende also, dont forget bob marley. I didnt know he was biracial until I saw a picture of his father

[@vaimende]

@@kathleenking47 same here, but when I've looked at him now and his photos it makes sense, his features are very lean while his mother is a very very dark skinned black women with strong features hence making him more browner

[@TawandaVance]

I'm 42 and the terms light, brown and dark were around. It was also around years before that. Sometime in the 90s you were either light or dark. From my perspective the complexion narrative has been overcomplicated by younger generations. To make it plain there are 3 complexions: lightskin, brownskin and darkskin, each complexion comprises of several shades. A lot of truths exist in the same space when it comes to black folks complexions. At the end of the day I realized it's really subjective based on experience and environment. Colorism is a byproduct of racism and it's stupid that it still exists, we're all black and need to be fighting to make things better for ALL BLACK FOLKS.

[@notwwwansik]

++++

[@Amanda-ky7mo]

see I call myself brownskin bc my whole life I have not been treated as badly as darkskin women like lupita nyong'os complexion but I definitely have experienced colorism before. Growing up I was the darkest girl in my immediate family so most people held my younger sister as the pretty one, I was also into sports and band so I got really dark tans that never lightened and even had comments of people suggesting I bleach my skin just a little and that I was too dark for their liking. I did not start getting called lightskinned until post pandemic because I have not seen sunlight in years which was jarring. I def see the problem here but I think we forget people can change colors sometimes so they might notice a significant difference in treatment depending on the stage and want a word for that.

[@Amanda-ky7mo]

For reference I am around regina hall, regina king, or nia long's complexion.

[@ImNotImpressed01]

Same. Having relatives that are much lighter than me I grew up hearing that they had feminine features and I had "masculine" features. (By ghetto friends never family thankfully). I never had it as bad as dark skin women and I don't pretend to, but I've experienced colorism. I strategically do not date in the winter now because the comments I would get about my skin getting darker in the summer were annoying. It's disgusting to feel like you're disappointing your partner by not remaining as light as when they met you... absolutely ridiculous which is why I vet for colorism right along with misogyny while dating. If a man comments on my skin apart from how clear it is, he will be nexted from the line up. Colorism and features effects all black people that do not have fair skin.

[@friedchicken892]

@@ImNotImpressed01 😒This made me sad to hear, please dont think you are worthy enough to date because you are darker. God made you perfectly fine!

[@22delfuego56]

I don’t get it. We’re not slaves anymore so why do we carry on this skin tone division. We’re only 15% of the American population .We’re all black and beautiful. We don’t need division we need unity.

[@Yasmine-qd6nu]

I agreed with this so much!!!!!

[@gojames1239]

There’s nothing wrong with categories. The problem is the preference for lighter skin

[@beautya5835]

Facts 💯 👏🏾

[@22delfuego56]

@@gojames1239 categories aren’t helping right now cause most times when we hear someone bring up dark or light skin it’s never positive or it puts the other skin tone down

[@notwwwansik]

YEEEEES, FACT

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah I would consider essence Atkins still light brown. Honestly I would consider you light brown too.

[@k.alvarado6237]

Sooo… they’re both light skin ??

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

@@k.alvarado6237 and the same color as these people if not lighter in the case of essence. But I consider myself brown. Medium brown. Or maybe light brown to some extent. Because sometimes people want to be called medium brown and they can argue that they are more medium brown than I am either way I'm not light-skinned I'm light brown

[@k.alvarado6237]

@@divestedkonservativekarame4269 - your light skin too from your picture. Angela Bassett is brown. Are you her color ?

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

@@k.alvarado6237 no I'm Halle berry's color Chrissie literally has a name for my color it's called light brown. Not light skinned but she hates on us just the same imo but she admit we aren't light skins

[@ameliadavid7758]

I know being brownskin refers to being too light to be considered darkskin and too dark to be considered lightskin. Many individuals prefer to identify themselves as brownskin because it exempts them from discrimination to a certain extent.

[@notwwwansik]

The division between brown, black and light is absolutely ridiculous lol, don't you have better things to do?

[@blacklyfe5543]

Know it's because we are brown skin I never considered myself as dark skin only brown skin.

[@r.a.l.p.h]

The “brown skin” level on the diaspora definitely exist. But some people just have internalized colorist where they don’t want to be darksin or they don’t want to be brown skin. The black diaspora is so wide that the color of the brown paper bag and above would account for maybe 4/7 of the diaspora. Aside from that we have to take account of how black skin changes tones in different seasons, and with makeup these days people have numerous tones. This whole topic is so sensitive for people for some reason, it’s obviously impossible to fit people in just light skin or dark skin. Idk why people haven’t gotten rid of that ideology. As for experiences the way coloris, works is the darker you are the worse people view you. It’s not just a 2 sided idea

[@ameliadavid7758]

Its just disheartening that our race has divided into 3 criteria. It's not like we find a spectrum with white people for example pale white or tan white. I guess with us black people, we dislike each other so much to the point that we put individuals that are more Eurocentric looking whether it be skin tone, features and texture on pedestal and choose to bash those that don't qualify

[@Akilahfoye]

not surprising. In hispanic culture "morena" (brown skinned woman) would be used for light brown, dark brown, it is usually meant to describe a desirable female. So even there, there's no consensus of brown. Sheesh. This is the legacy of those pseudosciences.

[@bettyharrison3854]

That's racists with-in blacks.

[@zamar2158]

Of course whites do have light and dark - blondes Bru tete black hair etc and corresponding skin tones from medium olive to peaches and cream.

[@zamar2158]

To add, that's the reason why they have 20 foundation shades for their skin and they appreciate all their tones They also appreciate the tones of the other caucasoid cultures of asia. And greatly admire east asian skin and festures. This colorism is not their horse.

[@Shay45]

The spectrum goes from light brown (light skin) to dark brown (“dark skin”) I have rarely heard the term “brown skin.” The term makes no sense to me because we are ALL brown skin. We go from light brown to medium brown to dark brown.

[@gabrielbrewster202]

These terms are not official terms. They are used differentially by different people in different locations. "brown skin" can describe anyone perceived as not having very dark skin who is also perceived as not having very fair skin.

[@drama7newstelevision297]

Hi there ! Brown skinned women definitely struggle from colorism ! We don’t get the hate that a lot of darker skinned women do ! And we don’t get the praise that lighter skinned women get within the black community ! However a lot of dark skinned females are starting to attack brown skinned women as well from what I’m noticing ! Dark skin women are stereo typed as loud ghetto ratchet ! Light skin women are stereo typed as feminine soft beautiful! Brown skin women don’t get stereo type

[@plantbasedheaux]

no 🤎

[@drama7newstelevision297]

@@plantbasedheaux huh ?

[@jaimarai6865]

As a brown skin woman myself I have never felt that I experienced colorism. Can you explain how you experienced colorism?

[@unknown-fl2ug]

How are darkskins attacking brownskins???

[@Iheartdolls4ever]

I'm brown skinned too I would describe my skintone as a tawny brown, I have a lot of reds and yellows in my complexion(mocha frappuccino). I'm darker than my light skinned cousins (popcorn to butterscotch) but lighter than my dark skinned cousins (milk chocolate bar and dark chocolate bar)and depending on which skin tone your with you can be on the receiving end of colorism. I agree. The treatment changes based on how I wear my hair too. I'm natural with type 4 hair when I wear it in a wash and go or a straight style I'm treated better. Featurism and texturism plays a huge role when you're brown skinned.

[@laela6289]

Stop calling black women “skins” it’s degrading. Thanks.

[@josephinebournes8212]

Bingo!!

[@LaurynLo]

So I consider my self to be actually brown skin or really just in between light and dark. i say this because my older brother is darkskin and my little brother is light skinned. I’m neither one of their shades. We all have the same parents my mother is “darker” than me but lighter than my older brother and the my dad is light skinned. So for me there is thing as an in between. Because we are all different shades of black. I grew up thinking that i was dark skin until other dark women and men told me flat out that I’m not, i have never been picked on because of my color (being too dark or light) i have for being black though. I’m dating a dark skinned man and we have visibly different skin. If i start calling my self dark he’ll look at me like im a fool because we aren’t the same tone at all. My light skinned father and brother are visibly different skin tones than me also, I wouldn’t look at them and call myself light skinned just bc sometimes people consider me not dark. the reason I don’t say I’m dark is because i grew up in a family where there were people darker than me and lighter than me and some my skin tone. But like you said when we have conversations about colorism It should be centered around darker skin experiences, I’ve been in both situations where I’m dark and the butt of the joke or I’m lighter and someone else is the joke. And in situations where no one comments about my skin at all because there is someone lighter and someone darker. In all scenarios the lighter person is benefiting. Whether I’m the lighter person or the darker person the conversation is about who benefits. This doesn’t take away from the fact that in some situations i could benefit snd some I don’t and I’m not light skinned. If some dark skin women benefit from colorism doesn’t that invalidate some experiences? Or if some benefit in some situations they aren’t brown/dark? I don’t care about actually being darkskin because I’m clearly not light, but what does that mean for people that lose where I benefit? I don’t think “brown” is exempt from colorism at all, I’ve always used it as a term to mean basically that I don’t pass the “brown paper bag” test but I still benefit from not having darker skin in some situations.

[@loralita5837]

Perfect answer

[@danfouts6628]

Where I from the DMV no one would consider this KZbinr light skinned. Beyonce isn't really considered light skinned. Doja Cat is light skinned. Vanessa Williams is light skinned. Haley Berry is light skinned. Kamala Harris is light skinned. Yvette Carnell is light skinned.

[@mynameispeaches]

I classified myself as dark largely off of makeup. If a cosmetic line had limited dark shades, I was usually past the cutoff. Sometimes I could wear the darkest shade they offered but it was a little light. In the last decade or so since most major lines have a wider range, I have somehow become “medium”. So I recently began to wonder if I have been “brown skinned” this whole time. But again this proves the pointlessness of the classification. If I am brown or dark it’s by a finger snap. When black women are being negatively stereotyped, it’s me they are referring to and not Halle Berry.

[@Shante-330]

If this is your picture I’ll tell what shade you are and that’s black and beautiful!❤️❤️❤️

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

It's a lot easier to keep the peace when you're a darker complexion closer to the paper bag test. Because you don't have that much issue with colorisms so to speak

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah I would say Megan is caramel. Light brown. Light brown is lighter than a paper bag. Some light browns aren't though. Some light browns are about the same color as a paper bag. At least that's what I call it

[@TyraThompsonOfficial]

This was SOOO well done! I subscribed!

[@plantbasedheaux]

awww thanks so much!

[@MsSianGentle]

Loved this video! I’m from the UK so colorism isn’t as blatant as what I feel it is in the US. Growing up in london as soon as you had a complexion you were black regardless of your shade so this is always very intriguing to me! 😅

[@vme6892]

Who exactly is brown-skinned? I guess it depends on who we are sitting next to huh? My mom is light skinned, but lighter than me! I have always thought I was dark-skinned because if it. Although many believe I am light skinned. I am Halle Berry complexion and Zendaya Wade’s complexion. I have been accused of bleaching - by grown women! It’s a shame! Don’t people know Black folks can lighten in the Winter and darken in the Summer?!

[@bxvs2732]

Meagan good is brown skinned...Claire Huxtable is brown skinned.....Vivica Fox....Nia Long.....Its Carmel complexion....If your Carmel complected your NOT light skin but your not dark either

[@melissabayley5027]

@@bxvs2732 no..... thats not how it works. if they don’t fit the brownskin category then they ARE lightskin but on the more tanned side (aaliyah, left eye, etc) are NOT brownskin. mocha is LIGHTSKIN which meagan good fits, she isn’t brownskin.

[@f5ghn2v1]

There are THREE MAIN categories: Light Skin, Brown Skin, and Dark Skin. No variations of any kind. Watching this video I can understand why ppl hate the brown skin category bc it is being missed used by so many in the black community. Ppl that are brown skin doesn't get the recognition they deserve bc you have both light and dark skin nitpicking at the color. If you say you are light brown skin you are actually light skin. An AA dark skin man should not say he is brown skin when he is darker than an actual brown skin person. It's rude and insulting to all shades of black ppl. Do not pick and chose what your skin tone is.

[@hannibal-elmrs.6275]

Welll what about Actual BROWN women? I am brown with a red tone to me, and I’m BROWN, not light, not dark, I’m brown 🤷🏽‍♀️

[@bxvs2732]

Also..your incorrect for Meagan Good....She said out of her own mouth she is not light skin..She said she experienced discrimination..for her skin tone...and her sister who is ACTUALLY light skin...was treated better...her SISTER is light skin she is NOT..she brown skinned/ Carmel complected...you can Google them ..

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Brown skin was originally just megan good but ds people wanted to be brown so they took our definition it's sad

[@pcofranc]

3:53 I wish you explained how they treated your darker sister "especially at church".

[@CaribbeanGlow]

Im Caribbean raised and I'm very happy these isms weren't so prevalent back home. Sure they exiats but it seems black Americans take it to a entirely different level ive never seen befofe irl. Its fascinating but also depressing and nitpick-y.

[@earthisghettorightnow]

Bleaching creams are heavily used in the carribeans so clearly its an unspoken problem.

[@daLibraDivaaa3010]

Best video I seen on this topic wow

[@plantbasedheaux]

omggg thank you ❤️

[@come_on_barbie_123]

I like your thoughts. It depends on the features also. If she's brown, and has non euro features, she will experience colorism depending on who she's around. I.e.: lighter/"safer" features. The BC is so jacked up. 😑😑😑😑

[@genovasquez8361]

I consider my self brown skin...my brothers are high yellow. I'm from the Midwest...but girls darker than me usually consider me not dark enough.

[@Shelbydrich]

Us Texans do have different color spectrums we describe to one another besides the big 3: purple, yellow, red are the undertones we use too b/c the sun shines so bright and our color changes throughout seasons often. Colorism is everywhere but with us, the majority of black men/women don’t concern ourselves with color. It’s usually attractiveness & physical physique, at least for us. Everyone including black people are obsessed with our diff. hues & due to colonists, darker hues are mistreated but they are the most beautiful

[@-goldenrootsbronzebeigebro5074]

The PROBLEM is that "we" come in 4 skintones NOT 3, = FOUR -NOT THREE! ********************** The "4-BEES" are 2= "DARK"= BLACK & BROWN.and the 2 "LIGHT". are: BRONZE & BEIGE. Examples: 1) BLACK = LUPITA NYONGO, VIOLA DAVIS, LoniLove, "BabyBoy".KevinHart, PattiLaBelle Venus Williams SharenaWilliams.. 2) BROWN = FrederickDouglas. WhitneyHouston,NiaongGAIL & OprahWinfrey, iman, Megan Good, Gabrielle-Union, AmaraLaNegra, DianaRoss,KellyRowlan Mary J.BLIGE, MichelleOBAMA... ...and many more since MOST "coloured persons/persons of color" are "brown".,. 3) BRONZE = (gold-yellowish-brown) Examples are: BEYONCE, TYRA, Rihanna, HalleBerry, VanessaWilliams, Zendaya, Cardi-B, NickiMinaj, La-la Anthony, LisaBonet Pres.OBAMA Drake, DerekJeter, Prince 4) BEIGE = aka PASSE" BLANC Fredi,WASHINGTON. AdamClaytonPowell;JR. WALTER WHITE. Mariah Carey, Rashida Jnnes.KittMcDonald. S.obrien .

[@n3glv]

Thank you for your very well produced and articulate video. As a white man who has always dated women of color, all I can say is 'The darker the berry, the sweeter the juice' (as far as my personal sample) has mostly been true. I think many white men who are attracted to black girls/women tend to choose the darker vs the light skinned women. Not really sure why, but I know for me I consider dark skin to be more attractive. I know, I know, this is a form of "reverse colorism" that you mentioned, but I just thought I'd put this out there for all the beautiful shades of African American women. Dark skin is NOT UGLY! (ghetto speak can be..) Peace!

[@virgomoonchild6302]

I am brown!!!! PERIODTTT

[@kmcd7]

Good video. I just wanted to add that there may be a few additional reasons for the myriad of differences in tone perceptions. Some of the celebrities mentioned may have adjusted their skin completions with either makeup, bleaching, or photoshopping (by Photogrpher or magazine companies, etc.). Also, we all have different visual perception abilities. And of course we all have personal biases that influence our perceptions. Some don’t like being identified as “dark” because of the negative social connotation associated with the term. So if there’s a way for some to escape such a label the use of “brown” could feel like an acceptable middle-sounding term.

[@plantbasedheaux]

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[@isntshelovelyy]

I loved this video honestly and I didn’t start saying I was brown skinned until I started school and boys would call me brown or Carmel a few even called me light skinned and that was odd.As I got older I haven’t heard much about my skin tone in the dating scene or at the workplace it hasn’t been bad it’s been pretty fair.I do feel like a lot of women my shade or lighter feel because we haven’t experienced colorism or as bad that we shouldn’t call ourselves darkskinned but I don’t want to make it seem like just because you’re dark that means you will experience colorism because that’s not true for everybody.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

To me I always felt butterscotch was still a form of light brown. Yellow is not it's very different from butterscotch. Butterscotches the golden yellowish brown. So that still in the light brown category to me. You have to remember when I was a child when I was 2 years old I was told I was medium. Not dark not light. Medium. I was lighter than Rihanna at that time I think Rihanna when she was a kid may have been the same color as me Brianna was lighter as a child. But yeah I think maybe we were similar and complexion as we age. In the north. But point is that's how I was growing up I was about a 310 Fenty and I always considered myself medium not light skinned. And that's because I compare my cousins who are white passing.

[@chariahmoss]

I’m definitely yellow butterscotch lol

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

No honestly see this light skinned people usually call us dark or brown skinned. So that's the difference. Someone who's really light skinned will not accept light brown skin people as light skinned same with someone who is on the darker and a brown skin they tend to not want us in the brown skin category but sometimes they actually will accept us it depends on the situation. It's easier to actually be accepted with brown skin women sometimes because we tan well we will never be as late as yellow bones. Yellow bones are specific. They have no Brown in their skin tone you can't say someone who's Brown it's the same as someone who has no Brown in their complexion. Even if that brown skin is light. It's just a different experience all around

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah that's what I agree with too that the experiences are very different. So to me that's why I'm like I never wanted to identify with brown skin women who were like Gabrielle Union's color but I'll identify with more like Meagan Good and like Halle Berry Rihanna and Nicki Minaj that category is something I'm more so relate to because it's more similar to me.

[@specialblack6513]

What's the song name in the background. I know it's by Noname, but I don't remember the exact song.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Well that's not really true there. With that study because my mom's family is all dark-skinned. They've been well off since the 1920s or further. Having lots of land working for the government. And if we go to the upper family from Lewis person that family has had a lot of money. Not just normal middle class upper middle class family they were like uppity people. Point is everybody's dark skin everybody's above 90% black they are black black black people very proud black people at that. And you know they made a lot of money even when people were trying to hold black people down. Now my dad said to the family that's light skinned and they're also colors. Like literally would call people like me dark skinned my dad I think was medium? Yeah they had an extreme. My occasion grandma was really crazy about this type of stuff. But yeah they and they only really like the really really bright bright lights. I don't think anybody in the family with dark skin tone on that side I don't think anybody was brown skinned either. I think they were more like my color at the darkest. It was more like a light brown.

[@amateurastronomer9752]

You’ve opened my eyes to a lot on this topic. You’ve definitely given me some things to think about. Well done on this video.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah feature is awesome do you help. For example for me in my experience with black people it's a double edged sword. But sometimes they like to appreciate when someone doesn't look like them. But at the same time you can still get hit really hard for not looking like them too. That's why I think everything has a plus and it's negative where you know you might look racially different from someone in your face. But at the same time you're still seen as something you know is okay or like better because you don't look the same racially as them. Because there's a lot of self hate but then there's a lot of jealousy with that and the jealousy comes alienation.

[@JASMINEELLE]

I tend to use the terms light brown or dark brown in my home only because I don’t want to raise my kids to think they are different. This helps to keep the focus that’s we are all brown regardless. It’s so sad that it’s even this deep.

[@kimnietvantoepassing]

More content please 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 new subbie here. Well done

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

I'm about the same color as Rihanna in the North in the southwest being from Nevada now I'm more like Halle Berry's color in the winter and in the summer I'm a lot darker. But I'm talking about my winter hue. And I know because I've worked at a fast food restaurant. And I'm barely lighter than a paper bag. Like maybe two three shades lighter. And I noticed that with people who are caramel so to speak we are lighter than a paper bag but only by a couple shades. Someone who would match it would be more of a light brown hue. Not caramel. A Nia Long would be much darker than a paper bag

[@E.M__]

'Light brown black girl' is such a hilarious description.

[@LateshaRenee]

People say "light brown" to be closer to "lightskin" .

[@Nikthehermit]

You acting like the summer sun don't bring that Nigerian flair out real quick sis

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

You're not true though because you have to remember also another thing brown skin black people we also tan so sometimes we can get a lot darker. So especially living in the southwest and the north I was about Rihanna's color all year round we're basically the same color maybe I tend a little harder than that. But in the southwest now I don't think I ever get down to her natural complexion anymore. And I would say I am probably a shade darker than her and the winter and then in the summer I am clearly Brown skinned. I'm like a 420 and Fenty I'm definitely brown skinned I'm in brown skin land and I'm well aware of it. So when you are light brown you don't stay brown or light brown complexion sometimes some people who are actually in the middle and just brown skin you know they're not light brown like me they can turn dark skin in the summertime I see it all the time. So they experience that too. And they experience being on the ground end of things too. in my case you sometimes many of the time people will think someone ever 420 Fenty complexion is dark skinned even though a lot of people like to call it brown skin too but I mean for my experience I've had some people think that's a darker complexion I would say it's a Gabrielle Union's complexion that's how dark I think I can tan is about Gabrielle Union's complexion and then when I get darker than that maybe it's like say for example I was stuck outside for 5 hours in Nevada I could probably get darker than that for a short time. Most likely not often unless I was like homeless or something. But thankfully that's never happened to me. So I would be about her complexion and some people consider Gabrielle Union dark so I would experience that as well. But then obviously I'm not dark skinned in the winter. I would be much closer to light skinned in the winter I understand but light brown is close to light skin. And you do get some experience like light skin people. But you also get to see things and how things are as a darker-skinnede person when your brown skin as well

[@BologneseJones]

Brown skin has been around forever..of course i live in the south but thats always been there

[@_malik_]

Powerful

[@franklincalvin7437]

Simple my generation called brown skin red bones..

[@blacklyfe5543]

I'm brown skin and proud not too dark and not too light.

[@siddaye]

The title of this video and the caption are confusing im confused

[@melissabayley5027]

people also need to stop putting yara shahidi with brownskins. she is clearly a lightskin girl on the tanned side whom is actually mixed 💀.

[@k.alvarado6237]

Bi*** this ain’t Pemdas 😭

[@space3555]

Tyler banks is brownskin to me 😭😭 lol

[@StaceyNelsonTVNetwork]

I just want to tell you, I really enjoyed your perspective on the issues of colorism.👏🏼💯 Your perspective is dead on! 11:14 💯💯💯💯💯💯 That’s where everything gets all skewed . Blessings beautiful 🥰🙏🏼😇

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yes we do. I do know that with color and some sometimes we actually are on the better end of both people. Because light skinned black people have it harder basically with certain experiences. Well brown skin people don't have to worry about not being black enough all the time they have to worry about that a lot less. And not in that much of a negative view. So yeah we don't experience negativity especially light brown skin people for how dark we are for sure no and you know you don't really experience it unless you're in one of those families like I said my dad's family you probably would experience something like that because they tend to think the people who are light brown or dark. If you're in a very light skin family you'll be considered dark. Even you would be considered dark I think.

[@unpopular2]

Your Noyt Light Skin Your Light Brown & Gabrielle Union Is Medium To Dark Brown

[@EricaYE6]

Undertone counts too.

[@jaimarai6865]

There are light brown, medium brown, and dark brown. You to me are a light brown skin woman.

[@privatecarrilho3108]

I prefer light brown over light skinned. Cause I'm brown, but I'm not dark brown.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah that's because we look like the normal black woman. The average black woman is brown. They're not dark. So then obviously people are going to appreciate that we have the image of the average black woman. It only makes sense that we would be able to navigate the best because we look like the average black person therefore people recognize Us in that way.

[@gabrielbrewster202]

When you say, you "identify" as light. Is this to inply lightskins form a somewhat different community or sub community.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Not true at all! No no no! The truth is when you have four hair I don't even have 4C hair I have four a hair. It's short though. When you have hair that is for and it's not ideal but your skin tone is lighter than the paper bag. You get hit because you get told that you are not supposed to have the hair texture that God gave you. You aren't told if your dark skin that the way you are is wrong. You are told that that doesn't look nice. But at least they acknowledge that you exist. And at least they're not saying something is wrong here why are you with a kinky hair and lighter skin? That is an extreme that is really really really wrong. So yes we do experience colorism and those regards because we get expected to look like a whole different race of people expect it to look like mixed race people when we're still black people. We can't be black and peace. So colorism exist for us but it's a whole different type of colorism

[@TheePrettyGirlSwag]

Well it depends on who you ask. When I was at HU I had a friend who was darker than me. She explained to me some of the colorist things she experienced in high school & from her family. I had to admit I had never experienced any of those things before. Never been called a “black” something. I grew up in MS. As I think back there are a lot of deep dark skinned women in MS. Some of the girls in HS just didn’t like me & I think it was a bit of socio-economics & skin tone because they were darker than me. We didn’t have a whole lot of light skinned girls then. I get what you’re a saying as far as the experience is concerned but there is a difference. Now I would hang out with my real light skinned friends (early 20s) and they got all the attention. That was my first time experiencing that. I was taken a back.

[@jnc4568]

I really like that you mentioned that modern definition of "lightskin" means bi racial. As a "red bone" with a curly afro and pointy straight nose but yet have two blk parents I did start to notice light skin is associated with mixed or biracial girls. This is a issue because as a mixed passing person we are experiencing erasure.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yes my mom was taught she's ds but ds people will always mention they're darker than her like it erases her from being ds too. I grew up around yellow bones so yellow isn't the same as light brown ergo why I never saw light brown the same as yellow ergo why I identify as light brown

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah I don't know that's not something I relate to. Because I don't know like I've never been allowed to say that I was dark skinned. I have a hard time just saying I'm medium honestly. Because there's plenty of dark skin people who will be like no your light skin. And act as if I committed a crime or something I have to admit it. If I don't admit that I'm light skinned or something that I'm a bad person. Which is just so weird. To me cuz it's like why would I have to even admit that even if I was Zendaya Coleman's color I mean if that's my perspective then that's my perspective. If I see myself as medium then it's medium because it's me and I identify that way I mean people don't respect how people identify

[@gojames1239]

Light skin. Brown skin. Dark skin. All of us are beautiful in our own way

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah Claire asks about she is lighter than a paper bag. She's a caramel. But sometimes people assume that a caramel is actually darker than what they actually are. It's weird this is where the light brown category gets all messed up. Now as far as like Tyra Banks and beyoncé they're different. To me because I don't know there he looks a little darker to me than a caramel. But I would say anyone in the live Brown category can arguably be light skinned. Even if they are slightly darker than a paper bag because they're basically matching the color still.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

She's dark skinned she's the same as my mom but I will say this my mom does say colorism doesn't exist so she obviously never experience but I consider her ds I can see some problems colorism claims

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Quickly and that's the thing to me I'm like if Gabrielle Union is dark again. I'm pretty sure people who are light brown are basically medium. Now the thing is about that is also many people contend too Gabrielle Union's complexion if we can tan too Gabrielle Union's complexion we can experience a bit of what she experiences so then it's saying that someone who comes from the light brown complexion doesn't experience anything we do experience something in the summer when we are her complexion.

[@itskleoxo]

She's dark brown not dark so she should recognise this even if she experienced dark girl issues.

[@SvetlanaVelvet]

12:45 not you speaking fucking facts...😭😭😭🤌🏽

[@SvetlanaVelvet]

7:09 PLSSS- facts 😭😭🤌🏽

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

That's another reason why I don't identify with light skin and why I think that light skin people are very different from light brown skinned people is because light brown is distinctly different from light skinned. white people have never considered me light skinned. And I've never seen them consider someone who is caramel light skinned. Sometimes they might make the distinction that they understand or think that we fall into more the colored category than the black category. Or imply that biracial is different from black and sometimes imply that there's an overlap with light brown skin people they're trying their best when they do those things. Most likely if they were not trying to paint it attention they wouldn't even notice that. Nor would they try and say something of that nature to try and basically appease or try and act like I see a difference. When they're not trying to pay attention to a difference like I said caramel complected black people are always labeled with dark skin people. By white people. And that's a major thing it's like if people see you the same then how are you supposed to think that you are being treated differently? It would only happen within the black community would I do agree light brown skin people get treated differently than brown skin and dark skinned people. But they also get treated differently than yellow bones. They get treated differently than true light skinned people

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah a paper bag isn't that dark. As dark as me along? Happy by the time you get to the color of a knee along that's way darker than a paper bag. What kind of paper bags are you using

[@Nat-mw3bz]

OMG! THAT IS THE MOST LUDICROUS TITLE I'VE EVER SEEN!

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

I was always the darkest because I was in Reno and there were no black people. We had a couple next people who were complete yellow bones. But I wouldn't consider that to mean that I was dark skinned.

[@lunalovegood4582]

@Chrissie - what do you think?

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

That's my issue personally it's being put in the same category Gabrielle union. Because all my life I was taught that I was medium but then I would see other people that were medium and then I would be like well that can't be me. But then at the same time I would look at light skin people who are yellow and I'd be like well that is definitely not me. So then I would be like that's why I like the category red. Because it's like well it's not brown and it's not yellow it's red it's in between the two it's a light brown. Because it goes right smack dab in between the two. Basically the last of the light skins and the first of the browns in some cases

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah I agree with that. I never considered if I was dark skinned. I always could just look at dark skin people and see I'm very different from a dark skin black person and so many ways it's crazy. That's not just the skin tone on my face but other credentials that dark skin people have that I never knew until I got older and I was like oh my god. That's how it is for you but you know so I've always been aware that you know everything about them and I don't have in common with them. But it's a large feat to say just cuz I'm not dark skin that now you have to be yellow. I still have brown in my complexion. And that's what I mean the people you're listening still have brown in their complexion. If they have brown in their complexion how are they going to identify with people who don't have brown in their complexion?

[@obsidianromance34]

ever heard of safe brown?

[@libfuzzy4629]

Your family is beautiful

[@kimathitalton8709]

Thank you for your perspective!

[@Amberrechelle]

In the south we have light , yellow bone, brown skin, red bone, and dark …. It’s a southern thang .. it’s not new at all… it’s be around for A LONGGG TIME.. I’m surprised you’re seen as light skinned because you are more on the darker spectrum .

[@plantbasedheaux]

definitely ware that “brownskin” isn’t new. I presented evidence from as far as the 1940s on brownskins/brown Negroes. in the 1940 study, they listed about 20 different terms to describe a Black person’s complexion (reference in description box). was just sharing how the term was new to ME bc as you said, it’s a regional thing :)

[@Amberrechelle]

@@plantbasedheaux yes, I understand completely that it was new to you. I do apologize for mistaking that you wasn’t aware of the very old term ( it even goes back before the 1940s). It’s definitely a regional thing . When northern blacks come to the deep south they often have a huge culture shock because we’re definitely more close to our African roots and norms and have ideals that are not familiar to most people . I do apologize 🙃 … that’s why it’s important to watch the whole video .. my fault .

[@plantbasedheaux]

no worries!

[@jaimarai6865]

That's just not a southern thing. They say that here in Chicago too.

[@rtgp2.0]

@@jaimarai6865 chicago is not nevada

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah they might have the back side of it because they can tan. The tanning makes them be able to see the other side. The winter helps them see the other side. And if they live in the south and move to the north they actually get to find out things that they never knew about themselves.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah that's exactly what happened to me. Many times I would get kicked out of the medium complexion. People would be like you're not medium. And at best I could convince them to think I was light brown. Especially when I stay inside. So that's why I kind of transferred to thinking okay I'm like brown. But I never thought of myself as light skin like yellow bones. Yellow bones to me are different than what I am. And brown skins that are like Gabrielle Union's color are different too. I might experience something like them in summer but I wouldn't align with that either. Because the only reason I experienced that is because I live in the southwest in nevada. In normal environments I don't. Generally I am like I said like Rihanna's color Halle Berry's color and I am that color even in Vegas in the winter.

[@charlene3380]

we need more brownskinned channels for us

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

@@charlene3380 we do

[@charlene3380]

@@divestedkonservativekarame4269 Okay that's great! can you give me some names?.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

@@charlene3380 no I was agreeing with you saying we need channels for us as well

[@charlene3380]

@@divestedkonservativekarame4269 lol oh ok

[@dirtysnowball]

👁

[@lovelife2186]

Dark me make more money so stop

[@skankhunt-zo4fm]

No one mentioned men😭

[@sylviamaua745]

@plantbasedh

[@sylviamaua745]

Sorry for misspelling your name. I am from London born to Ugandan parents. I have a dark complexion - the same as Lupita, the actress, or a South Sudanese person, so I am darker than Gabrielle Union. I do not have a problem describing Gabrielle Union as brown. I experienced a lot of colorism and negative comments about my complexion from other black people when I was younger. Many people with dark skin are using bleaching creams because they think that lightness is the only representation of beauty in black people. The terms yellow and red bone are sometimed used to describe light complexions but to me these terms are derogatory. Some body once described my color as chocolate, I don't have a problem with this as chocolate is something that most people enjoy to eat as a treat.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

I like to use the term of milk chocolate chocolate dark chocolate nutmeg and onyx to describe dark skin black woman. I don't see what negative term would one use to describe dark skin? But I come from a perspective where I see dark skin is better kind of than my own complexion well not better but I mean I see that they have qualities that are better than mine but I've learned to be happy with what I have too.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

With that in mind I've always considered people like you and people like me for that matter not light skinned in the sense of real light skin I consider yellow Bones light skin. But when we're talking about the paper bag yeah a lot of people are light skinned but there's different types of light skin because you have to remember do you really think that experience for someone like Zendaya Coleman or Paula Patton are the same as someone who is like Rihanna or Nicki Minaj's color? No because they are different complexions one is going to be taken as more black while the other ones going to be questioned as mix all the time. They're going to have a different experience and that one's going to be treated less like an outsider. Well the other ones always going to be treated like an outsider not saying that people who are light brown aren't treated like they're mixed. No we get asked if we're mixed before we get asked our names. But the way we get asked if we're mixed it's even different it's not saying that you're a white person is saying you have something in you. Which is different than saying you're an another total race and we don't see you to be similar to us. So that's what yellow bones do with while light browns only do with this every now and then.

[@divestedkonservativekarame4269]

Yeah you're so right about that to me that's one issue I have with brown skin people with a category of brown skin people it has too many people in it where the experience is never going to be the same because you're using people of very different complexions. But to me that's why I say light brown because light brown is different from brown. A lot of people like to include them as the same. Or include light skin with light brown that's the same but they don't understand how it is to be us because they've never lived our life they've never lived our Truth therefore they don't know that the experience is actually different. And personally it's like well the fact that you don't know that it doesn't mean that it's different you know it doesn't change that it's different. It is what it is.