Can An Electric 911 Be Any Good? - The Carmudgeon Show w/ Jason Cammisa & Derek Tam-Scott Ep. 162

[@technom3598]

Enjoyed the actual unbiased review. They shit on it conceptually and then complimented how well it was done and it drove. This is journalism. Not rage bait.

[@sacrilegemotors]

True pros!

[@jimmyb1460]

Unlike Matt Farah and his tea boy

[@robertengelhard2098]

The TV defaulting to Samsung TV+ can be disabled in the settings

[@rsr789]

Or better yet get a Sony: better build quality and far better OS.

[@theatrenest9982]

@@rsr789 Or better yet get a Philips with Ambilight: Best build quality and Android OS!

@@rsr789 Who cares for a backdrop on a podcast. For at home. Sony is not better than Samsung. Nor is it the other way around.

[@ScottBullard]

With all the hand-wringing and pearl-clutching over EV swaps (and ICE swaps), the good news and thing to remember is that people are out there scratching their own itches and having fun doing it. Sure, someone’s else’s yum may be your yuck: but the more you step outside your comfort zone, the more likely you’ll be to have experiences you might not have imagined you’d enjoy. Plus, even if you hate it you’ll leave with a greater understanding of why you like what you like. Enthusiasts will always enthuse. Hot rodders will always hot rod. Collectors will always collect. Critics will always critique. Different things excite different people!

[@JCDenton95]

It was nice of your wife’s boyfriend to let you post this.

[@hellcat7054]

@@JCDenton95 lmao

[@evalonious]

0:32 Derek Clapton nailed the intro😂🎬🏁 My daughter has a learners permit now. Just wanna take a moment to thank VW for their amazing ingenuity & prowess with the invention of the mechanical seat hight adjust mechanism and fantastically designed reclining wheel. 😂❤🏁

[@MichaelRoma91]

Will it be fast and drive amazing? Probably yes. But once you take the flat 6 out of the equation, it’s really not a 911, at least to me, anymore.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

Don’t tell reddit that. r/Porsche are the only people who love this.

[@ouch9326]

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 i got banned from there for not simply posting "look at my car (generic google images image here) " or talking about sales values type stuff

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 Why is there always a guy mentioning reddit? Nothing about this has anything to with that crap. There was no need to mention it. Just like vegans, people that know reddit just have to include it in any conversation.

[@garythecyclingnerd6219]

Reddit is one of the most visited sites in the world, millions of people discuss daily. It’s 100% relevant because the overwhelming sentiment on Reddit indicates a sentiment of a huge portion of people.

[@ouch9326]

@@garythecyclingnerd6219 no lol reddit is openly censoring right wing ideas, and normal people tend to not want to read so much especially nowdays

[@ahmadjavedaj]

Thanks for singing ! Its always nice to hear you two chat about cars and their quirks

[@cparunsankar7363]

wow i thought by just hearing about the electric 911 derek's brain would have exploded Glad i was wrong

[@Munkenba]

The rapid evolution of the Beatles is the only reason they're so great imo. I find the whole Beach Boys/Elvis commercially "safe" 50s stuff to be so nauseating besides a few notable hits. Sometimes it's hard to feel like the Beatles were truly "rebellious" compared to the youth movement artists of later decades, but everything they did from around 1966 onwards was such a middle finger to the stuff people expected them to make that you can't help but thank them. Wait was this a car podcast? Sorry I also forgot.

[@NewbombTurk.]

The Beatles and Beach Boys existed at the same time, and also we're inspired by each other (Pet Sounds, Sgt. Pepper), not sure why you think the Beach Boys were the 50's...

[@Munkenba]

@@NewbombTurk. I know, but I've always felt like they catered to a lingering 1950s audience. They were music for people who still wanted the approval of their conservative parents. The Beatles weren't THAT radical by comparison, but at least they knew when it was time to ditch the damn bowl cuts.

[@JCDenton95]

The Beatles suck.

[@Munkenba]

@@JCDenton95 Nah.

[@NewbombTurk.]

@@JCDenton95 Want a cookie?

[@ateamfan42]

The SR-71 (and its predecessor, the A-12) was in development well before the Powers incident. The CIA were already aware the U-2 had become vulnerable to the latest Soviet surface to air missiles.

[@technom3598]

Yes. It was in development... But it was green lit and heavily backed after that. It was full speed ahead after that incident.

[@Nick22257]

Love this video! To the oil leak point, when i was a delivery driver my store ended up paying to repave a pontiac enthusiasts driveway because one of our drivers only bought cheap beaters to deliver in, and inevitably they had some small leaks. Some people are absolute lunatics about that

[@Petrospect]

Sacrilege sounds like it'd keep you happy as a daily but as you mentioned, I wonder what the electric Boxster will be like! Though with all the commentary about the chassis and inherent greatness shining through-- I have two thoughts. The first is, driving around my mom's '22 hybrid Yaris makes me think that I'd rather not have unrefined three cylinder engine noises and vibrations and just enjoy it for what it is. In the future, I think we'll be fine with EV-only city cars and I'll get some kicks out of that, though uninspiring. However--I know an '03 986 Boxster S isn't the most exotic or evocative thing in the world but it is the only Porsche I've driven so far, I got a 40 minute test-drive in it and I don't think I'll ever forget the first time I turned on that boxer 6 with that slightly off-beat clang and the "broken" sounding idle when cold. By god, even THAT has something to it. The first time I floored it and the heard that intake noise, the bellow... I've yet to forget that a year later. It was torqueless. It had an aftermarket exhaust so it had a MILLION combinations of noises depending where you were in the rev range; it kind of confirmed everything I'd ever heard about these cars and I had to experience it to believe. The mid engine balance was sensational and, granted, I concur that the gearing and gear-change sucked so I can only imagine what an old (air-cooled) 911 feels like with that added fizz that entails this was missing. My one hang-up is this--all my life, in Greece anything above 2 liter is not for common folk so I've never been around all these cars. I do think an EV-only Boxster will be interesting but I don't think I'll ever feel that deeper connection to an EV that has made me feel like there is a bucket of gold at the end of the rainbow when it's no longer a choice.

[@rvrinc]

the engine is what makes a 911 next to the engine position... Why take that out... electrify cars where the engine doesn't add anything

[@TonyBasuro]

Because it's there.

[@williamgechtman9287]

Because there are cities where one cannot drive internal combustion engine cars in the city center, but one can an electric car. One can take one's electric Porsche to the office in the City when one cannot take one's six cylinder Porsche. Why not have both?

[@davids1816]

Thanks for pronouncing Ruf correctly!

[@narek_kona302]

For $850k it better be absolutely flawless. I just wonder what person says I want a quiet sports car that cost 850k vs a beautiful sounding engine that revs to 9k rpm

[@drewwrobel564]

Very simply, who would want it? Someone who already has a gt2rs

[@clc2328]

The older I get the more quiet I want my cars

[@ChaosphereIX]

@@clc2328 Funny, opposite for me. I have been driving quiet commuter cars for so long, I want my sports cars to scream at me. Driving for fun should not be like a funeral procession, but a metal mosh pit.

[@Suprahampton]

An EV swapped Ariel Atom could be a lot of fun!

[@kens8903]

I don’t even like Porsches but I like EV conversions and I still think it is insane to convert a classic one.

[@vehicularalchemy]

Preach that aircraft history Derek! Hahahahahaha “I don’t know it’s a song about SR-71s?” BAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA SO EPIC!

[@GrumblingForesight]

Isn’t it like putting a quartz movement inside a vintage Rolex to revive it? Yes it’ll be a lot more accurate and requires close to zero maintenance but whats the point? Maybe it would make sense if the original movement is no longer available.

[@chadbarbaro]

zzzzzzzz

[@obsidian....]

20:22 Spend a million but you could restore it back to a cheap 964. Sorry but they don't get any bonus points for the lack of modification

[@nirfz]

Have seen a croatian company making EV Kits. And the vehicle i saw a video about was a Pinzgauer. That's a portal axle offroad vehicle with usually a 2.5L aircooled gasoline engine, 5 speeds diff locks, switchable 4wd (or 6wd depengind on the version). The way they did it was a batteryblock inside, and put the e-motor with an adapterplate to the gearbox input. So what that means is you keep all the gears, low range, diff locks ect. You basically start in any gear and don't need to shift, but you can, and the thing you talked about with the rear brakes in that 911 would be avoided if they did it the same way. And they could put in a way less powerfull e-motor and you would keep the engagement of gearshifting. Sure, you would not need to, and it would reduce the efficieny, but this sort of 911 isn't an efficiency car anyways. It's a fun thing.

[@crosswick]

Great episode, learnt a lot again. Thanks!

[@ahmadjavedaj]

On a side not probably a wild coincidence that the song "Black Bird" came that close to the actual plane. I would be shocked if they knew about that plane though. It was a black project with immense secrecy, that wouldn't be revealed to the public much much later. Also surprised that Camissa had never heard of Francis Gary Powers. USSR and the USA almost came to blows over that incident. Another funny detail of that story is that the Soviets tried to reverse-engineer that plane but could never make it work.

[@04m6gto]

The SR-71 was revealed to the public by President Johnson in 1964, 4 years before the song.

[@lowstrife]

Oh Mr. Hyphen, you didn't mention the A-12 as part of the history! Considering your encyclopedic knowledge of everything, I was actually expecting to hear the true evolution of the plane. No fault here because it's not relevant at all, I just find it hilarious that I was expect you you to include the following: tl;dr The SR-71 was the twin seat later version, the A-12 was the final in the Archangel design studies and was a single seat predecessor to the SR-71. Anyway love the show, here we go for the electric 911...

[@pappaslivery]

Saw the A12 on the intrepid love that thing

[@dougrobinson8602]

You can visit an A-12 in person at the Intrepid Museum in NYC or San Diego Aerospace Museum if you're the coastal sort. USAF Museum of flight in Dayton has both an SR-71 and YF-12A. Shop and compare!

[@jimiverson3085]

Jason, "The Beatles" double album WAS the "White Album." The original cover had John and Yoko naked on it and didn't pass muster with censorship. So, they put the album out without a picture on the cover - it was plain white.

[@Alcarinqe]

Unfinished Music No. 1: Two Virgins Is the Album where they both are naked on.

[@norri8ws]

0:47 bs. I expected exactly what happened. Call it sacrilege and then praise it for most of the episode.

[@urbanstrencan]

911 EV resto mods are new reality I love the one from Kalmar ❤❤❤ Great podcast

[@simpwood4973]

The White Album is actually the self titled album, Jason. And if Paul McCartney is to be believed, the song has nothing to do with the jet but was written about the civil rights movement.

[@Resist_Oppression]

All-electric? No! Next question.

[@davidkappos1781]

Haha Tiptronic. Another great episode

[@_que]

I have a neighbor swap his 996 to EV, was not offended by it. I agree too many 964 consumed with the resto craze. IMS to bore score to EV conversion, i get it. Love the Lucid crate engine / power option for swapping purposes

[@CarToneHK]

Let's hope the new 718 EV have some of the character and feel this has

[@TonyBasuro]

People have been stuffing battery packs and electric motors into Porsches for decades. This one is fancy. Not concerned about the ICE.

[@V12BRO]

As an E31 850i/6 and M10 2002 owner, both the M70 and M10 are better than given credit for. I bought my 2002 to ONLY take to the canyons, drive insanely hard, and put away wet. It does everything i ask and while it isnt the fastest thing in the world, it isnt slow in the twisties. With the right parts theres race teams getting them turning 9, 10, 11,000 rpms and they sound insane.

[@assolutobisonte7040]

Combustion engines are still viable in most of Germany, like 95% of it. Yes there are some cities that threaten fines, and there are many rules but you can still safely drive through without being fined. It’s not an issue to drive a EURO 4 car. Living in these cities might and owning one is still possible, but you are limited to a certain number of days per year. Basically, combustion engines are still very much viable in all continental Europe, even in a few select city centers, as a 2nd or 3rd car, also fine. They want to scare you into staying away from older ICEs, but it’s more show than action.

[@DaltonMiller-z8i]

Jasons off his rocker, that Totem is downright hideous

[@ethanbeech8421]

Agreed. It's not great looking. Not sure how they messed up the look of a Giulia Sprint Coupe but they figured it out!

[@Maxxisblitz]

Oh MAN, that car is interesting. It's a total reversal of the trend often seen in modern cars. Many modern cars have characterful engines. Everything from the Corvette's LT series V8's to the GR 86's FA-22. They're full of all kinds of wonderful noises and have a satisfying build build of power with revs. Yet, increasingly, the cars have gotten less and less communicative with the steering. This Sacrilege flips that on its head, giving a hugely communicative driving experience, but with a perfunctory powertrain. What's crazy is, it seems the Carmudgeons would rather have a perfunctory powertrain than perfunctory controls.

[@bentogel]

are the batteries air cooled at least?

[@llys3742]

Weight and distribution are important, but what about the polar moment of inertia? I guess they nailed it, but its something worth knowing.

[@GregoryBaker]

You guys need more props

[@karljamieson8573]

Really interesting episode, I've always said that where I'd start with EV conversions is with gorgeous cars that have dowdy powertrains like the DS. To see both of you complimenting the experience of a 911, knowing what it was, was not the direction I thought this was going to go. Next up: a review of the EV swapped Testarossa?

[@RobTeeJr]

Jason, I think its time for Round Two of bad driver's Hall of Shame. I made my weekly trip to see my Mom who is a nursing home about 50 miles away and I hit all top pet peeves in one trip. From idiots who merge on the highway with 70 MPH limit going 45 MPH, to driver's who do use their turn signals but activate them at the apex of the turn. Duh I would have never known you were turning. Driver's passing you on the right as you approach a semi in front of you. You move in behind them and for some reason they slow down and creep past the semi only to speed back up to their previous speed. This one gets me. You pull up behind a car at a stop light. The car in front of you has left a car length and a half in front of them. And while you are waiting for the light they start moving up to where they should have been in the first place. And lastly, I heading on a divided highway and the car waiting to cross the highway in front of me waits until I'm right up on them and now they decide to cross. And for a bonus they brake as the approach the center space of the highway leaving the end if their vehicle in the lane. Reminds me of approaching a deer on the side of the road and you just know that no matter what you do, the deer will wait until the last minute to commit suicide.

[@coreykononchuk]

Have you guys never watched “Wangan Midnight”? I would have to assume it was named “Blackbird” after that series. Thank goodness they only committed sacrilege on a tiptronic cabriolet and not a coupe… so far. I agree with Derek that it would be brilliant if a carmaker could distill a similar driving experience into a mass-market EV under $100k! Perhaps the upcoming Cayman/Boxster can deliver on that…. Maybe a base model.

[@deancostello14]

So it's $850k without the car, and it's not faster or more engaging then just getting one with a manual? Am I missing something here?

[@lwclark]

If I remember correctly, the NA 993 had about the same HP as an 80's 911 Turbo. Also the 993 ended the torsion bar rear suspension.

[@chadbarbaro]

3.2 carerras are the last torsion bar cars, 964 received coil overs front and rear, as well as aluminum trailing arms, very different design.

[@adrianbene6733]

Last time I was this early I almost became a father Also for that amount of money you could get a Tuthill 911k

[@YourLoyalDeserter]

“The Beatles” is the white album. The white album isn’t actually called “the white album.” That just what people call it because the cover is just a white box with “the Beatles” embossed on it. Also the song blackbird is about the civil rights movement.

[@ThunderGoatz]

31:52 if u want filth you need to drive the 911K

[@marcmigneault8364]

Wow! What a clap!

[@cgmoog]

Yes Lucid (or someone) should market motor with a throttle (and battery modules) so that the swap in a shed can be done. I keep fantasize buying a wrecked Ionic 5 and grafting the rear sub-frame (suspension/motor) in an MGB, placing batteries in the tunnel (some upfront) to have an EV runabout.

[@Fpvpilot928]

Electric swapping a vehicle is only okay if the vehicle isn't renowned for its engine. So am air cooled 911 is not a candidate! A citroen 2cv, ds and practically every other French car is fine, though..... 😂😂😂

[@splurb5000]

Baack in the USSR is White Album (the Beatles). Blackbird is probably not related to the plane.

[@Petrospect]

Blackbird was about the 1960s civil rights movement and it's supposed to be about a black girl, I think Macca read about it around that time (1968 was a detrimental year for that) and was inspired to write this song, definitely not by the plane!

[@6rimR3ap3r]

At least they put in the effort to keep the weight distribution as it used to be with the boxer in the back. BUT for a model that is so defined by the engine, air cooled vs water cooled, NA vs turbo, Mezger heritage etc. this totally misses that. And don't get me started on the price, pfff...

[@ekscalybur]

Short answer: no Long answer: also no

[@sacrilegemotors]

Thank you, Jason and Derek, for an incredible drive through the hills of Silicon Valley and an even more amazing review! Jason, our engineers are developing a new OLED display that’s friendly for polarized glasses. It will be standard, maintaining the same subtle size but featuring a digital speed readout with an appropriately sized font. We totally agree with your feedback, and internally, we’re calling it the P.Y.T.. MJ will always be with us!

[@AaronAverett]

Why wouldn't an electric Boxster have the same steering as the combustion one? Assuming it's not all wheel drive, couldn't the front suspension be exactly the same?

[@rainsilent]

The power steering pump is powered by the engine. You would need to create a new steering system that is powered by the batteries. Granted it could be a lot like the original but it won't ever be perfectly the same. This is a universal problem to all power steering systems that are reliant on the engine for functionality, which is virtually all of them.

[@AaronAverett]

@@rainsilent The power steering on the 981 and 718 Boxster/Cayman is electrically assisted. It is not powered directly by the engine. As such, you could conceivably use the same exact parts on an EV Boxster and the steering would feel exactly the same.

[@rainsilent]

@@AaronAverett "The power steering on the 981 and 718 Boxster/Cayman is electrically assisted. It is not powered directly by the engine." Let me ask you this. If the engine goes out do you lose power steering assist? Virtually every power steering system out there the answer is yes, even electric ones. If the answer is yes then yes, the power steering is directly powered by the engine, even if electric. Someone in my family owns a 986. I've helped them work on it a number of times. The only difference in the front end between the 986 and 981/718 relevant to the matter at hand is the parts for the electric assist. All of the rest of the parts in the front relevant to the discussion are the same. While I don't know with absolute certainty if the 981 and 718s are directly powered by the engine like virtually the rest of the car industry I'd be surprised if Porsche did something quite unique and the 981/718 weren't.

[@AaronAverett]

@@rainsilent With the exception of some of the newer ones that have a separate high voltage system, most EPAS systems are powered by the same electrical system that powers everything else in the car, with the primary power source being the battery, which is recharged by the alternator. It's not like there is a separate generator just for the power steering. Thus, you generally don't lose the power steering when the engine stops turning in one of these cars. You may not have power steering for very long, but you'd still have it for at least long to come to a stop, and much longer than you would with a hydraulic system.

[@rainsilent]

@@AaronAverett "It's not like there is a separate generator just for the power steering." Aka power comes from the engine. I rest my case. "Battery." Yeah, which you yourself admitted gets recharged by the alternator, which is reliant on the engine. You yourself said it, no engine the electric power steering will go out. I didn't ever specify how soon when I asked, just if it would.

[@lwwells]

“Shit on the hand that feeds us…” 😅😅😅

[@TheZzziggy]

my e30 (M40 318 touring) doesn't leak

[@Rex_Racer]

No thanks. It’s no longer a 911- just pastiche.

[@arthurs7882]

I would argue the Widowmaker driving Dynamics are theoretically unrelated to the source of the power in the rear wheels, just the weight balance and the power itself

[@jamesonpace726]

Obviously not. Did you watch the show? Maybe you're 1 of those no change mind no matter the evidence types....

[@Resist_Oppression]

​@@jamesonpace726why does it bother you what someone else prefers? 🤡

[@lwwells]

People said the same about a water cooled 911.

[@MartinPittBradley]

Sure, shove those batteries as far back as possible and make it spin out on any moist surface: Quintessential Classic 911

[@chadbarbaro]

you mean like it didn't do while winning at le mans? stupid comment

[@DustinDriver]

I recommend TCL TVs. 🤣

[@bradluecke9829]

So, Toyota needs to build the sacrilege GR Yaris

[@ouch9326]

no, just a front wheel drive compact prius with option to turn off power steering focaused on effiency unlike the recent prius (they said they made it less effceint to appeal to people in other ways)

[@Baimobile7]

I think it’s clear (as shown in these comments) that the ultimate hurdle in any EV sports car is, as they said, getting people in them. You can tell a gas-blooded enthusiast an EV has every perfect dynamic of the Mclaren F1, and they still won’t care until they experience it. There ARE benefits to EVs, and while i may have written this comment, i don’t think the daily drivability, comfort, and relaxation translates to a product like this. But it’s all reversible so 🤷‍♂️

[@mm-il8dg]

How the steering in tesla roadster and this Porsche work

[@arthurs7882]

I thought 993s are vaunted as the peak of air cooled engineering

[@dln.sweeney]

A big part of the 993 hype is just because they're seen as the last of their kind, and the final evolution of the original 911 formula. They aren't necessarily better though.

[@arthurs7882]

@@dln.sweeney hmm.

[@hrg3design905]

Though The Beatles had many overt protest songs, notably “Revolution,” another song that is just as politically charged, though you wouldn’t know it upon first listen, is “Blackbird.” The delicate track features a single guitar line with only Paul McCartney crooning out the lyrics over top. Every so often, a few chirps from a bird can be heard as a nod to the song’s opening refrain blackbird singing in the dead of night. However, this song has nothing to do with ornithology and is instead a commentary on the ongoing Civil Rights Movement of the ’60s

[@chadbarbaro]

hate that band

[@norri8ws]

0:47 bs, I expected exactly what happened, call it sacrilege and then praise it for most of episode.

[@aguruattapiano]

Another weird toy for millonares. I don't care

[@narek_kona302]

My 91 mr2 doesn't leak 😁

[@Fearinator]

Sounds epic… not at 800k 😂

[@TheStorkSR]

I'm usually up for giving people a fair shake but 1) calling yourself Sacrilege and cutting up a 964 specifically is obviously marketing but whatever, and 2) trying to sell me on a $850k electric conversion of a true classic where I can buy 2 truly collectible versions of the 964 for that price tells me you have your head up your ass. Hell, Totem Automobili is selling their restomod with a built-from-scratch from Italtechnica for $300k less. I know with custom cars you're supposed to pay extra but if I have that kind of money I'm not dropping it on a well-engineered electric restomod and just buy a Lucid and a 911 964 Cup Car and save $400k.

[@CTP1111]

lol I had a 964 carrera 2, bunch of RS bits on it even and hated it.... 850k for an electric conversion is absolute lunacy

[@eugenux]

here from Europe; every 30 year old(or 25 year old, country dependent) can be registered as a historic vehicle, thus, you can drive your e30 wherever you feel like; what you cannot do is driving euro 3 or 4 diesel "tractors" in some major cities, in countries like Belgium and Holland(and etc), a fact of which I, personally, applaud with four hands! I know that you guys don't put a strong emphasis on gear-shifting, considering the chassis to be the most important component in regard to how a car feels but, honestly, if I can't h&t or blip the throttle in a car of the 964 genere, a cayman or any sports car for that matter, I am not interested.

[@WONMARK]

Q:Can an electric 911 be any good? A: About as good as a Mustang Mach E

[@jamesonpace726]

Yes, yes, Back in the USSR & Blackbird are on The White Album....

[@PeppigUndBillig]

After the U-2 came first the Oxcart, that was fast replaced with the nearly identical looking upgrade, the Blackbird...

[@solacemusic242]

My dad was the worst joke-teller. Yet he would continue to try. Inevitably, he would take too long, stumble through, forget parts including the punch line and we would all be groaning, then laughing. Then someone would say "don't laugh you only encourage him!". I feel a similar sentiment may be in order for Jason's singing. So bad it is good/funny, but please don't encourage him!

[@Ovadose850]

🚗👍

[@user-zz6iv2ou6f]

No car is good when it’s an electric appliance. Next topic

[@gregdeschodt9346]

Who cares if it's reversible if it cost $850K vs a tiptronic cab 964 worth ...not very much. Nobody will reverse out 800K of work to "save" a tip-cab ;-)

[@FreshdriveGeoff]

Hard pass (on an EV 911)

[@zgSH4DOW]

No one was offering

[@benfidar]

Double album is the "white" album. Twits.

[@TonyBasuro]

That SacRidge logo is very BLACK FLAG! punk rock •the balance could be made to be 50/50 with battery placement. •'verts are closer to riding motorcycles. J. could hear birds -- that's great. You can talk to people as you glide by in an EV drop-top. Noice. •there are settings in your Sammy menus to achieve your Logo goals. Turn off all eco-nannies, etc. Trust the Samsung. •¿NHTSA would cancel that Porsche for not being up to modern safety standards? • "-G" means Yamaha. They're both motorcycle engines at heart. Let 'em live at the redline. Regardless. •imagine a sidewalk cafe with no ICE cars--or horse poop-- passing by, passing gas... Just Vespas and Harley Davidsons. Yoink!

[@cmdrgunslinger5955]

Honda made the fastest production motorcycle the CBR1100XX nicknamed the Blackbird. Suzuki one upped them in the speed wars with the GSX1300R. . Suzuki named it Hayabusa. Hayabusa is Japanese for Perigrine Falcon the fastest animal in the world. They eat blackbirds. The ruined 911 should be illegal.

[@technom3598]

Illegal? Really? Is trump "literally Hitler" too?

[@brembopollypor9965]

Swapping the ICE of a classic car for an EV motor is like bungy jumping, totally pointless

[@21SebastianS21]

Electric converted classic 911? No.

[@paristrout8469]

800 AND 50 THOUSAND DOLLARS! Look, I am sure it's beautiful. I trust both of your opinions that it is exceptionally well executed. I am also in favor of such conversions, especially if the car is not cut in any way, and could theoretically be reversed. But that price is beyond ridiculous. Electric Classic Cars in England will sell you the COMPLETE bolt in kit to do the same thing. I do not know what the actual price is, but I am sure it's significantly less than 850,000. They also have kits that will fit other years beyond this model, all the way back to the 356. I understand that the "super cars" get clicks, but you guys are loosing touch with reality.This isn't a car. It's a Rolex Submariner. It's a pair of 20 carat diamond cuff links that a bond villain wears. Why don't you find a couple of ECC's cars that are here in the states? They have kits for all types of cars, down to VW bugs. (They did a testarossa conversion that I would love to have you two, or Harry M. review. Yes I know that one is unattainable to us, but its way more interesting than another 911). Us plebes are getting sick of hearing how great every Porsche is. None of us can afford an old one for $100,000, let an alone a new one at $350,000, with another $300,000 markup. Love you guys, but this episode was a waste of my time. Rant over.

[@blaineadams7484]

So what if they used a shifter in the e.v.s, but instead of gears, it was regen and suspension settings? That way you can shift going into and out of the corners with maybe one more setting for long straights

[@connerturner529]

I know I'm just a random comment down here, but if you want to be convinced on trying something like an electric 911 more. I would highly recommend checking out electric classic cars. They are a KZbin channel that does professional ev conversions out of the UK.

[@nathansuss]

Only more and more of em are gonna be converted to electric

[@technom3598]

It's a can and they built over a million 911s... It's not really a big deal

[@Fpvpilot928]

​@@technom3598convert a water cooled Porsche. The 964 was one of the rarest generations of 911 ever. You've probably got one of the dumbest takes ever..... 😂😂😂

[@SlidTossedPissed]

Im so under the weather.. if my head shakes more than 3deg in any direction Im going to throw up. *shaking my head v e r y v e r y s l o w l y* Also.... One reason why I love.. err GREATLY APPRECIATE THE STONES now is: The Beatles want to Hold your Hand, The Stones want to burn down your town.

[@exc911ence_channel]

Can An Electric 911 Be Any Good? No. The whole 911 experience centres around the flat-6 engine... the sounds that it makes, and where it's located. Go neuter some other car with electric trash, leave the 911s alone!

[@aspookyknucklehead1309]

bleef

[@ChaosphereIX]

Go ahead and electrify vehicles where the engine is not a major part of their identity. The 911 is not one of those cars, the flat6 is what makes it a 911. Take that out, and it is not a 911 anymore. EVs should be EVERYWHERE as well as PHEVs for all your commuting needs. Leave the glorious ICE sports cars with their identity-making engines alone for us that want to drive them, while we still can. Stop trying to force square in circle.

[@JoshuaKoerner]

Love to see these classics swapped to EV’s. But $850k is too much.

[@technom3598]

850k is crazy

[@ravishkasilva2851]

i hate porsche

[@chadbarbaro]

yes, more of this guy!

[@KellerEdward]

Jason pls don’t ever sing again. Ever. Worse than Derek’s clapping.

[@obsidian....]

Shitting on Singer, brilliant 🥱