Can Salvation be Found Outside of Islam | Jonathan Brown | 16th MAS-ICNA Convention

Can Salvation be Found Outside of Islam | Jonathan Brown | 16th MAS-ICNA Convention
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💖In this presentation. Dr. Jonathan Brown delves into the meaning the salvation from our rich Islamic Tradition and explores if it can be found outside of Islam.
💖Yaqeen/MAS Academic Conference at the 16th MAS-ICNA Convention
💖The opinions expressed herein by the guest speakers at the MAS-ICNA Convention are those of the speakers and do not necessarily reflect the view of the Muslim American Society (MAS) or the Islamic Circle of North America (ICNA).
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[@hafizhaseeb2503]

Allhamdulliah i born and raised up as a Muslim but it's really inspiration for all of us.. Respect from Pakistan 🇵🇰🇵🇰

[@talibbhai7858]

amazing jazaak Allah khair brother

[@anesanes9408]

MashAllah " Thank You brother May Allah belss you...... ☝☝

[@farahsiddique6702]

MAY THE PEACE MERCY AND BLESSINGS OF ALLAH ALMIGHTY ALWAYS BE WITH YOU AMEEN 💚

[@Advancedworldbutchaotic]

Alhamdulillah! After few days of having cringe feeling due to watching Christian Prince channel which is tongue and mind twisting! I found your channel Prof. Brown, jazak Allah khairan brother!

[@safwanshahriar9579]

Found the wrong channel.

[@harox77]

be careful with this guy

[@SaidAttalah]

It is so beautiful to hear about Islam from someone who is a Muslim by choice. Thank you for your Indepth contribution. Are we witnessing the sunrise from the west, already!? So comforting to listen to you Dr. JB.

[@sherazkhanomarzai195]

Masha-Allah. What a blessed brother. May Allah (SWT) increase your wisdom and grant you a long and healthy life. Aameen.

[@tremordrake1749]

@49:29, in Q&A, Prof. Jonathan brown should mention surah al-Asr. As he was answering the question that muslims do not have a golden ticket to paradise---"Surah al asr" sums it up perfectly. It outlines the 4 minimal requirements for any muslim. 1. Shahaadah with iman 2. perform prayer, give obligatory charity etc. 3. perform good deeds and invite others to do so 4. maintain the previous 3 with patience + perseverence

[@safwanshahriar9579]

4. Call towards patience. Nobody asked their tafseer

[@amerelliotrancekeehl6287]

@@safwanshahriar9579 of course. Just wanted to make a suggestion. Great lecture otherwise

[@safwanshahriar9579]

​@@amerelliotrancekeehl6287 Don't take anything from Jonathan Brown brother. He's completely off the path.

[@safwanshahriar9579]

@Athlethics *Try to finish the entire thing. Alhamdulillah. I do believe I am guided by the will of Allah and part of gratefulness is to spread that guidance and the haqq that Allah has ordered me to spread. Saying "all the knowledge is with you" is shirk and I'm dissociating myself from that. I don't hold the keys to paradise, Allah does. I don't care if you're being sarcastic. Allah knows everything and He has power over everything. But He has revealed some of that knowledge to us from His mercy and we thank Him for that. Part of that thankfulness is to abide by the commands of Allah and He says "Everyone is in loss except those who.... call towards the truth. When you convert to Islam, you should know what Islam you're converting to. Or whether you're falling into shirk again or not. If you have beliefs that are clearly against what Islam teaches like advocating for gay marriage and gay rights, then you shouldn't speak in the name of Islam at all. And if you do, you have to expect people speaking out against you. Jonathan Brown is a revert and I appreciate him reverting. What I don't appreciate is him misguiding people and it is my duty as a muslim to speak against him. Simply reverting doesn't buy you a ticket to whatever you want. If you think I'm making his life miserable, what do you think of the people whose hereafter will be made miserable for giving in to the kufr of some of these recent preachers or their deviances? I believe it's your duty and mine to speak against him and if you don't believe me, read the Qur'aan.

[@kausamsalam8543]

Thank you for your thoughtful lecture, Dr. Brown.

[@atiqarahin9077]

Brilliant lecture. I love it.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

Gee, what a great video, mashallah what a great insights from Pro Brown, what a clarity.

[@farahsiddique6702]

THANK YOU

[@alimprogram1986]

mashaa Allah brother, that's an awesome lecture.

[@Dr.Khalafzai]

Subhan Allah.

[@zulaigaworth4401]

Thank you.

[@farahsiddique6702]

You're our AMAZING FAMILY

[@farahsiddique6702]

SUBHANALLAH LOVE FROM LONDON

[@hajjanurhanisampulna5942]

Barak Allah

[@abdiqafarabdullahi9313]

MashaAllah

[@IngramSnake]

Allah gives us good learned men, every time a good one gets old age, then a new one comes. Alhamdulilah.

[@shahzaibahmed.]

You think this deviant is a learned man. 🤣 This deviant allows people to slander and curse the Prophet peace be upon him and is fine with it. This was recorded on video and I've posted it on my Instagram shahzaib_al_salafi

[@shahzaibahmed.]

@Lanslot I'm radical 🤣 for posting Quranic videos and refutations. Oh please give me a break.

[@jabarbnar]

@@shahzaibahmed. Jonathan Brown is someone is well read man, and his works are well researched, I dont know you're trying to reject him like that.

[@PlanetOfTheApes999]

@@shahzaibahmed. So you want people killed for criticizing Islam, but not for criticizing other religions? How utterly hypocritical and arrogant. And how utterly vicious that you would want to kill people merely for insults. Mohammed never executed people for blasphemy.

[@shahzaibahmed.]

@@jonathanh4120 lol why are you so obsessed with me. Alhamdulillah I'm upon salafiyyah and the athari aqeedah. You follow a fool who believes cursing of the Prophet peace be upon him is fine? Go and do your research إن شاء الله I'll continue on giving dawahb

[@farahsiddique6702]

ASSALAMUALAIKUM MAY ALLAH ALMIGHTY BLESS YOU AND ALL YOURS FAMILY HEALTH HAPPINESS AND LONG LIFE'S AMEEN AND GOOD DIN AND DUNIYA

[@courting9759]

Mashaallah

[@yika-xy]

I agree with everything you said in this video, Jonathan and I don't see any reason for others to not to. And the narration about the mercy of a mother I have heard a lot but by Allah's grace, the way you put it makes it clear to me than ever. Thanks. Allāhumma şoli 'alaika yā akhī fid_Dīn, Shaikh Jonathan Brown, wa 'ala ālika.

[@user-nc2fk1jy8l]

I know for most people, this will sound extreme. But I feel dad reading the comments because most people seem to be agreeing with this. This approach of trying to find ayaat to conform with what we believe to be correct or what we find comfortable enough to believe seems strange to me and really sad. When Allah says in the Quran, 3:19, an ayah that Dr. Brown mentioned, that Islam is the religion in the sight of Allah, does not that end all arguments?! I don't understand why we have to keep digging to find something that might meet with what we feel is correct. Dr. Brown talked about the mercy of Allah and how that encompasses all things. Of course that's correct. But he used that to justify why he believes hell fire cannot be ever lasting. But that simply makes no sense because is he then suggesting that when Allah puts people in hell, he is not being merciful at that time, even though it is explicitly stated that Allah's mercy encompasses all things? Is Allah only merciful when he puts us in jannah but not in jahunum? If so, then does Allah's mercy not encompass all things? I think that argument cannot be used to justify why you think hell fire is not everlasting. He talked about how we shouldn't condemn people to hell because we are then ignoring Allah's attribute of being the most merciful. Of course, he is right we shouldn't condemn individuals to hell but I don't think anyone with any knowledge would say that anyway. But is he not ignoring the attribute of Allah being the most wise and the most just when he is defining for Allah what mercy is and isnt? I.e. that when Allah puts us in hell, he is not being merciful. I feel sad that as an ummah, we are trying to change our interpretation of our deen to suit what we think is morally correct. Btw there are so many places in the quran where Allah states the disbelivers will reside in hell forever, please check these for yourself and you will realise that coming up with your own theories when there is explicit evidence is so dangerous. (4:168-169, 33:64, 72:33). Allah's words are the truth, let us believe them and not think that maybe Allah will change his mind because it doesn't fit with what we believe can be a merciful Lord. For those interested, please check out Muslim Skeptic youtube channel- it seriously opened my eyes to all of this stuff.

[@Givemeproofkid]

@@user-nc2fk1jy8l Thank you after 3 years. People want to edit the qur’an like the bible, that is the reality so many munaafaqeen are trying to do that. This same guy who is talking now said that insulting the prophet pbuh is cure for people happyness!

[@katarianshareef8923]

God chose brother John then Ma sha allah he has knowledge more than many Muslim.

[@tabishrashid2932]

Islam is everywhere ...

[@suzmia8553]

You only call someone a Kuffar in Islam when they have been presented with the Information of Islam and they disbelieve. You cannot just call anyone Kuffar - others are classed as non - muslim.

[@Abdul_Aziz919]

Your wrong Allah and His messengers have already explained what a kaafir is so it doesn't matter what a dictionary says

[@jonathanh4120]

Well technically that is incorrect according to surah al-bayinnah where Allah refers to them as "those who did kufr" and "mushrikeen" however He clearly mentioned their not having received the bayyinah (clarification) i.e. the Qur'an and Message sent to Prophet Muhammad sAaws. Therefore ignorance is highlighted as a cause of their misguidance and not an excuse for their misguidance.

[@aaaaaaaaaaaa9023]

@@Abdul_Aziz919 Thats literally how the word Kuffar or kafir is used in the Quran.

[@DavidSagedy-nq6bt]

Yup. I got Jesus.... He is the Chosen One .He is the Messiah. He is the Christ coming back to judge the living and the dead. I'm good. Peace to all......

[@hs311987]

mashaa'allah, may I suggest that you also tap into Hanafi and/or Matudiri theological take on this issue, how they approached the concepts of islam and iman

[@mdshamsad3431]

we always things as quran guide us to ......

[@user-dy8iq2im2w]

MoshoAlloh

[@kaymubarak7331]

Not once have I heard him send blessings and salutations upon the Prophet saw..peace be upon him, after saying his blessed name. That's a fundamental etiquette to use when addressing the one sent as a Mercy to the world and mankind by Allah swt.

[@muslimahmusings1536]

Kay Mubarak he does it all the time but sometimes I think he forgets

[@leyali524]

He does do that, if you haven heard it that’s on you.

[@fuad000100]

well he actually does 14:29

[@ahbarahad3203]

3:15 100% correct, Believing in God has very little to do with factual evidence. I mean even theologically we understand that this life is a test and if there were some concrete proof of existence of God logically or experimentally then this life wouldnt be a "test" anymore because the answer would already be there. So belief in God is largely a matter of "faith" not reason or evidence

[@mahaebeid1615]

I have a Hindu friend who believes in one all knowing all powerful all merciful God the Creator of everything. She prays and fasts and gives charity as part of her religion's teachings in a very similar way to us (Muslims). She also believes that Muhammad PUH is a messenger of God and that Islam is a true religion of God. She does not follow Islam, but I believe that she is a better Muslim than myself!!

[@ahlisorga5320]

She is a muslim then.

[@Islam.is.the.truth..]

May Allah guide you and you leave out she also believes in false gods. Are you ok ?

[@zahrashafwah794]

Muslim will be judge ultimately by their intention (eeman/belief in one specific God =Allah s.w.t) only then their good or bad deeds/actions will be matter.

[@facetofloor]

@@zahrashafwah794 If a person did the haraam, it is haraam--regardless of their "intention." It is forbidden to get involved in a matter without knowing the Religious ruling regarding it.

[@zahrashafwah794]

Its not similar at all. Muslim means the one who submit to Allah, and do actions based on that submission. She believe in Muhammad s.a.w but didn't follow what he preach? That is a confusion and contradiction. How come she is better muslim than you, when she is not a muslim in a first place.

[@halqubasi2383]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته جزاك الله خيرا دكتور جونثن كيف نتواصل معك أنتظر الرد

[@bayreuth79]

Abdal Hakim Murad became Muslim when he was 19

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

Humanity is what Islam is offered to thus they eligible and come under that confine of the unlimited mercy of Allah for until they reject Islam and all That defines it LUTE entire family wax offered that mercy but his wife refused it NUHS son was offered the same but refused it need I say more

[@bayreuth79]

But what if you simply do not see the truth of Islam? I would not blame someone for failing to understand Isaac Newton's inverse square law; I would assume that they were not very intelligent. How can someone be blamed and indeed punished for failing to see the truth of something? Or are we saying that anyone who has Islam presented to them and who does not accept it is just lying? That seems improbable to me.

[@amenstal123]

IT IS ALLAH WHO KNOWS BEST SO, IT IS IMPORTANT OF HOW ALLAH IS TO YOU THAN ANYTHING ELSE WASALAM

[@ALLHEART_]

4:00

[@zubairhussain72886]

What was muted on 23

[@jamesedison5651]

47:14

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

Prof Brown posted very good point, that the light or assurance come to heart being a Muslim from God, but that assurance is subjective, however that subjective assurance also come from the opposite force other than God, example St. Paul experience for his reason to become a Christian. I know a Muslim, who heard a real voice talked to him and said this "Abdul Qadir Gilani I am your Lord, from today onward, I leave you off from all your duties and obligation from Islam", when heard this voice Abdul Qadir Gilani replied by saying "Shut up enemy of Allah", but again the voice said the same line again and Abdul Qadir Gilani replied again "Shut up enemy of Allah" and in third time that voice told him I tricked many but I could not fooled you today. Me as a Muslim, I would categorize St Paul experience is very much identical to Abdul Qadir Gilani's experienced.

[@charlievaughan1308]

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[@charlievaughan1308]

I am an agnostic. I see no rational reason to believe in any religion. All the major religions promote irrational thinking. For example you believe St Paul heard the voice of Satan. What about Christians who believe Mohammad heard the voice of Satan? Mr personnel view? Both religions promote irrational thinking.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@charlievaughan1308 Thanks for commenting on this thread, I will trying to reply to your by mentioning your line in parallel. I wonder, if you have ever read the Quran for yourself? _"What about Christians who believe Mohammad heard the voice of Satan? "_ I asked this question to many hundreds of thousands of Christians online and offline, that question was: "Please provide me one thing, that you Christian believe and practice as in Christianity that is valid before the God and it stands before the God, that which could lead you Christians to salvation?" There is not a single Christian on Earth, can provide me an answer. Whereas five pillars of Islam that Muslims practice day-in and day-out on every day life, they stand before the God and they are valid before the God with or without the Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) himself coming into the equation, likewise five pillars of Islam stand before the God and they are valid before the God with or without Quran coming into the picture. There is no other religion on Earth can be applied with this level of scrutiny.

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@charlievaughan1308 I thought of sharing these videos posted by few Americans, this video from former Jewish American, who asked God to guide him to the correct religion that is accepted by God, please watch this it was a miracle in the broad daylight how God guided him to Islam, kzbin.info/www/bejne/aYqbhaVuYseGrpY It was similar miracle reported by a U.S corporal in marine went to Afghanistan, but God had different plan for this corporal and God converted him to Islam, it was a miracle in the broad daylight, how God guides to whom HE wills, kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z6DKnmV_gdWsb9U It was indeed miracle in the broad daylight, which turned him to Islam, feel free to watch and learn. Below is video posted by a French sister, who suffered 5 years of depression and mental health problems, she was hospitalized and was kept on medications, but all gone in five minutes of Islamic prayer, it was a miracle in the broad day light, kzbin.info/www/bejne/fKe3q2NvZsuKa6s Here is another video posted by an American sister, who suffered life long depression and darkness at heart she felt, to get rid of it, she studied all religions you can think of, but nothing fit right, nothing feel right, until she came to Islam, the life long depression is gone, it was a miracle in the broad day light, kzbin.info/www/bejne/bKSrdIuelr-Eb80 One-eye blind American asked God to restore his sight in exchange for seeking out for the true God, it was a miracle in the broad daylight God restored his sight, in spite of the fact hospital doctors insisted on removing his eye which went complete blind, kzbin.info/www/bejne/imbYan9mgqaEq9E

[@rizwanrafeek3811]

@@charlievaughan1308 There is something significant in the two videos I posted above for you to watch, both were former "enemies" who hated Islam/Muslims one of them is a U.S corporal in marine-core in U.S military and other one is a Jewish American, as you know the conflict in Palestine, between Arabs and Jews. So both were Muslim "enemies" but they turned to God in whole sincerity and God return to them. Beside, self taught Islam to themselves there was no middle-man involved and the videos were created by themselves and posted on youtube by themselves, that is significant as to the advertisement that you mentioned of. I suppose, they accepted Islam, as Islam convinced them, their own personal encounter with God, without third-person coming into picture, between a man and God. Likewise people in other videos, one of them is multi millionaire i.e. Mélanie Georgiades, who converted to Islam. People have to have 100 percent sincerity to establish a relationship with the Creator, if one turn to God in whole sincerity then God did return to them, all based on one's sincerity. God will not change one's state, unless until one change it for themselves. Now enough with my riddling, I let you do your thing, if you have question, ping me.

[@toniheath8243]

At Paul converters to Christianity before Islam . There he was rightly guided.

[@marina1689]

Lmaaaaao Ali was acting like Jonathan's servant 😂 Excellent lecture, very informative!

[@alexanderv7702]

It is my understanding that the average age of US military personnel that died in Vietnam was 19!

[@alexanderv7702]

Aged 19, I joined a "so called Christian cult". After eighteen years I left. Do I have any regrets; very few.

[@jocelynburrell9174]

Bismi Allah Question any other way ? The Whole of Humanity that hear the Message that our Creator is One and guildance sent ( Trinity prayer. The rules forgotten not to kill unless for Murder correction and release from burdens to any humane that it will be no other way so will fill will be more who except universal truth ?

[@islanmohamed390]

If it weren’t Allahs direct speech(Quran) I’d be confused by those many sheikhs appeasing those ppl that don’t like to be condemned bcoz of their wickedness! Remember we Muslims were described as best Ummah! Bcoz we order good and forbid evil! But the question is how do we forbid evil and order good if we’re always sweet to anyone that doesn’t want to be criticized! I’m not criticizing the sheikhs but I’d like you to always be fair to clerify on both sides of reality! Bcoz the mu’min should be always be btw hopeful and in fear of Allah at the same time! Jazakallah sheikh if it was good it’s from Allah but if it’s not it was from nafs and satan!

[@bernardmcavoy1864]

Would you care to repeat all of the above, this time in English?

[@ABUSAEDI]

السيد/ جونثان قد وقع في خلط في فهم العقيدة (عليه ان يدرس العقيدة الاسلامية من البداية لانه قد وقع في خطأ كبير) اولا- الله لا يرحم الكفار يوم القيامة : الدليل: قوله تعالى: وَاكْتُبْ لَنَا فِي هَٰذِهِ الدُّنْيَا حَسَنَةً وَفِي الْآخِرَةِ إِنَّا هُدْنَا إِلَيْكَ ۚ قَالَ عَذَابِي أُصِيبُ بِهِ مَنْ أَشَاءُ ۖ وَرَحْمَتِي وَسِعَتْ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ ۚ فَسَأَكْتُبُهَا لِلَّذِينَ يَتَّقُونَ وَيُؤْتُونَ الزَّكَاةَ وَالَّذِينَ هُم بِآيَاتِنَا يُؤْمِنُونَ، الَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ الرَّسُولَ النَّبِيَّ الْأُمِّيَّ الَّذِي يَجِدُونَهُ مَكْتُوبًا عِندَهُمْ فِي التَّوْرَاةِ وَالْإِنجِيلِ يَأْمُرُهُم بِالْمَعْرُوفِ وَيَنْهَاهُمْ عَنِ الْمُنكَرِ وَيُحِلُّ لَهُمُ الطَّيِّبَاتِ وَيُحَرِّمُ عَلَيْهِمُ الْخَبَائِثَ وَيَضَعُ عَنْهُمْ إِصْرَهُمْ وَالْأَغْلَالَ الَّتِي كَانَتْ عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ فَالَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِهِ وَعَزَّرُوهُ وَنَصَرُوهُ وَاتَّبَعُوا النُّورَ الَّذِي أُنزِلَ مَعَهُ ۙ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الْمُفْلِحُونَ الثاني: لا يغفر من مات مشركا إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَغْفِرُ أَن يُشْرَكَ بِهِ وَيَغْفِرُ مَا دُونَ ذَٰلِكَ لِمَن يَشَاءُ ۚ وَمَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدْ ضَلَّ ضَلَالًا بَعِيدًا إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمْ شَرُّ الْبَرِيَّةِ الثالث: ثبون كفر اهل الكتاب إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتَابِ وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ فِي نَارِ جَهَنَّمَ خَالِدِينَ فِيهَا ۚ أُولَٰئِكَ هُمْ شَرُّ الْبَرِيَّةِ لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ ۖ وَقَالَ الْمَسِيحُ يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ ۖ إِنَّهُ مَن يُشْرِكْ بِاللَّهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ الْجَنَّةَ وَمَأْوَاهُ النَّارُ ۖ وَمَا لِلظَّالِمِينَ مِنْ أَنصَارٍ لَّقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّ اللَّهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلَاثَةٍ ۘ وَمَا مِنْ إِلَٰهٍ إِلَّا إِلَٰهٌ وَاحِدٌ ۚ وَإِن لَّمْ يَنتَهُوا عَمَّا يَقُولُونَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ ارابع: لا شفاعة للكفار يَوْمَئِذٍ لَّا تَنفَعُ الشَّفَاعَةُ إِلَّا مَنْ أَذِنَ لَهُ الرَّحْمَٰنُ وَرَضِيَ لَهُ قَوْلًا (فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَرْضَىٰ عَنِ الْقَوْمِ الْفَاسِقِينَ) الرابع: من سمع بالاسلام ومات وهو غير مسلم يدخل النار عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَةَ عَنْ رَسُولِ اللهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنَّهُ قَالَ: "وَالَّذِي نَفْسُ مُحَمَّدٍ بِيَدِهِ لاَ يَسْمَعُ بِي أَحَدٌ مِنْ هذِهِ الأُمَّةِ يَهُودِيٌّ وَلاَ نَصْرَانِيٌّ، ثُمَّ يَمُوتُ وَلَمْ يُؤْمِنْ بِالَّذِي أُرْسِلْتُ بِهِ، إِلاَّ كَانَ مِنْ أَصْحَابِ النَّارِ". رواه مسلم. اهل الفترة: كما بينه علماء اهل السنة هم الذين كانو قبل البعثة والذين لم تبلغهم دعوة الاسلام ولم يسعهوا عن النبي محمد صل الله عليه وسلم وقال شيخ الإسلام ( فَهَذَا كُلُّهُ كُفْرٌ بَاطِنًا وَظَاهِرًا بِإِجْمَاعِ كُلِّ مُسْلِمٍ وَمَنْ شَكَّ فِي كُفْرِ هَؤُلَاءِ بَعْدَ مَعْرِفَةِ قَوْلِهِمْ وَمَعْرِفَةِ دِينِ الْإِسْلَامِ فَهُوَ كَافِرٌ كَمَنْ يَشُكُّ فِي كُفْرِ الْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى وَالْمُشْرِكِينَ ) وقال الشيخ أيضا ( وَمَنْ سَلَكَ سَبِيلَهُمْ مِنْ الْقَرَامِطَةِ والاتحادية وَنَحْوِهِمْ يَجُوزُ عِنْدَهُمْ أَنْ يَتَدَيَّنَ الرَّجُلُ بِدِينِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ وَالْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى . وَمَعْلُومٌ أَنَّ هَذَا كُلَّهُ كُفْرٌ بِاتِّفَاقِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ . فَمَنْ لَمْ يُقِرَّ بَاطِنًا وَظَاهِرًا بِأَنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يَقْبَلُ دِينًا سِوَى الْإِسْلَامِ فَلَيْسَ بِمُسْلِمِ . وَمَنْ لَمْ يُقِرَّ بِأَنَّ بَعْدَ مَبْعَثِ مُحَمَّدٍ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ لَنْ يَكُونَ مُسْلِمٌ إلَّا مَنْ آمَنَ بِهِ وَاتَّبَعَهُ بَاطِنًا وَظَاهِرًا فَلَيْسَ بِمُسْلِمِ . وَمَنْ لَمْ يُحَرِّمْ التَّدَيُّنَ - بَعْدَ مَبْعَثِهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ - بِدِينِ الْيَهُودِ وَالنَّصَارَى بَلْ مَنْ لَمْ يُكَفِّرْهُمْ وَيُبْغِضْهُمْ فَلَيْسَ بِمُسْلِمِ بِاتِّفَاقِ الْمُسْلِمِينَ .)

[@ercaner_buzbey]

Well my Arabic is not enough to clarify what you are trying to say by quting verses but even in them there is no guarantie that neither of us can keep their faith till the last breath while any other nonmuslim will not be converted and become a better member of Muslim society like our brother Brown here. Just getting title to be called by others as Muslim will not make us real Muslims. Our knowledge about things are tempralily and the things we know are temporal appareances of those things, absolute knowledge is in Allah's domain so we can never be sure what will happen in the future, so best case of action is to restrain ourselves from doing anything irreversible or irreperable by our own, brother Brown is suggesting this. As God reveals in Quran "Did you beleived that you will not be judged just you said you accepted Islam?" أَحَسِبَ النَّاسُ أَن يُتْرَكُوا أَن يَقُولُوا آمَنَّا وَهُمْ لَا يُفْتَنُونَ (ankebut 2)

[@vj9086]

@@ercaner_buzbey Jonathan Brown admits he DON'T know about the Islamic Aqida (creed) , he says that the answer for the lucture Question is Yes!!! No scholar said that, its ABC Islam that its Impossible for whoever die in anything except Islam will not Enter Al Jannah (paradise). People of the period (Ahl Al Fatra) they are Special case NOT the rule I advise you to see some Videos from brother Danial Haqiqatu Channel to see the full picture and to know what is Jonathan Brown and Yaqeen Institute really are.

[@kausamsalam8543]

Paraphrasing this kind reminder: (You could be a Muslim and not practice anything Islamic in manners…or have a mean disposition. And as Iqbal, too, once noted, certain people of the West could have more traditionally Islamic qualities, vice versa)…… Sura 5:47-48, “Let the People of the Gospel judge by what Allah has revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by the light of what Allah has revealed, they are no better than those who rebel.//To you We sent the Scripture in truth, confirming the scripture that came before it, and guarding it in safety: so judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their vain desires, diverging from the Truth that has come to you. To EACH among you We have prescribed an OPEN WAY. (Free will, I think). If Allah had so willed, He would have made you a single people, but Allah’s Plan is to TEST you in what He has given you: so STRIVE as in a race in all virtues (much like Marcus Aurelius’ virtues of good works, I think). The GOAL of you all is to Allah; (all humans, I think). It is HE that will show you the truth of the matters in which you dispute.” (What Dr. Brown describes in the beginning of the lecture). Subhanallah Sura Fatir, 35:10, “If any do seek for glory or power,--to Allah belong all glory and power. To Him mount up all Words of Purity: It is He who exalts EACH deed of righteousness.” Alhumdullilah Isaiah 50:4, “The Lord God has given me (humans) the tongue of the learned…He awakens my ear to hear as the learned.//The Lord God (One, I believe), has opened my ear, and I was NOT rebellious.” Alhumdullilah “People who despise God Almighty are still given blessings by God.” (So true, and so ungrateful too many humans have become due to a buildup of inner arrogance). Astaghfirullah “Nobody has a golden ticket to Paradise.” Subhanallah. Was always taught this wise point from our most pious elders/and my father, May Allah give him and our elders the highest Jannah for their kind deeds each day. Sura The Spirits, 72:11, “There are among us some that are righteous, and some the contrary: we follow divergent paths…amongst us (implication: humans) are some that submit their wills to Allah, and some that swerve from justice.//Now those who submit their wills - (like taming a horse/one’s own nafs/ego)-they have sought out the path of right conduct.” (Love this poignant passage).

[@unrulytraveller6149]

talk to abdula sameer, talk to abdulla sameer, talk to abdulla sameer.

[@charlievaughan1308]

REPLY TO PROFFESSOR BROWN. Proffessor Brown thank for your talk Let me introduce myself. I am an irishman who was brought up catholic I no longer practice any religion as I find all religions promote.irrational thinking. That includes Islam. For a while I was a Christian fundamentalist One of the problems how do you know your religion is true. You mention Al ghazli.

[@charlievaughan1308]

You say that when Al Ghazli had his doubts

[@Mustafa-nl3yx]

You know it’s true if it is reached with rational thinking. The tricky part is sorting through our own belief justifications and making sure we are consistent across the board, if we do that correctly we reach Islam.

[@charlievaughan1308]

@@muhammadgaffar8744 Thank you for reply. Just to reiterate what I have previously said. I am an Irishman who is agnostic. I was brought up Catholic but I no longer follow any religion. I believe all the major world religions promote irrational thinking I.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam. I am aware that there are Muslims who say that all the major world's religions promote irrational thinking ----- except Islam. I regard such an attitude as immature and childish. Now to get to the heart of the matter. I would like to QUOTE what you have written. You write The following " The problem with irrational thinking,you need to separate the (1) contradiction of logical thinking (2) currently no evidence no evidence in our science (3) morality" End of quote. I am not sure what you mean by " Contradiction of logical thinking".Any way I would to state my case and clarify some points. I have not stated that it is irrational to believe in God or the afterlife. For example, it is possible for a Deist God to exist. A God who got the whole show going so to speak but has no interest in humanity. A non interventionist God who does not answer prayers. A number of people believe that this was perhaps the God that Einstein believed in. Now let us come to the Abrahamic God. According to the Catholic Church the Abrahamic God is the God Jews, Christians and Muslims. This is what I was brought up to believe as a Catholic.I now believe it is irrational to believe in the Abrahamic God. Why you ask? Let me explain. The Abrahamic God is Omnipotent, Omniscient and Omnibenovelent and yet evil exists. I would strongly advise you to listen to Dr.Yasir Quadhi lecture which he gave in Singapore. The title of his talk "Does every single doubt and question about Islam have a rational answer"?This is what he says about the problem of evil and I QUOTE " Because you cannot give a fully rational answer to the existence of evil". End of quote. I respect the intellect and great learning of Dr. Quadhi. However, I would respectfully disagree with him. Why couldn't God give a fully rational answer in the Koran or the Bible or whatever Holy Book? Every year 5 million children die of infectious diseases world wide. Although this mainly happens in poor countries where people pray a lot. Why? If God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenovelent? Did you know that there are over 4,ooo genetic diseases? Again, how do you reconcile this with the existence of the Abrahamic God? Ask the Catholic and he will blame it on "original sin". Ask the Muslim and he will tell you that it is because we are being tested. To me both explanations are equally irrational and preposterous. I would utterly reject the idea that I am not really interested in truth but only interested in winning an argument.As an Irishman, I will admit that I do love a good argument. However, i am passionately interested in Truth and I consider myself a Truth seeker. I will close with a Catholic greeting. PAX VOBISCUM. which means Peace be with you.

[@charlievaughan1308]

@@muhammadgaffar8744 Just to QUOTE Dr. Quadhi properly. The title of his lecture is " Does every single doubt and rational question about Islam have a rational answer"? I am not going to QUOTE his entire lecture obviously. However, this part of what he said. He said " I mean honestly the existence of evil for example, Theodicy the fancy term. Humanity has been grappling with this problem from the beginning of time.. Every theologian since the beginning of time that believes in God has attempted to reconcile why is there evil.........because you cannot give a fully rational answer to the problem of evil"

[@quran1012]

​@@charlievaughan1308 Hey Charlie. This isn't easy to answer in one YT comment. I essentially had the same question. Here is the framework that I used to come to my conclusion 1- Start from the foundations. Is there are God and is believing in a God rational? Id recommend the book The Divine Reality, Hamza Andreas Tzortzis 2- Step two find out which religion describes reality in the most rational manner. This may take some time. If you are interested in Islam then Id recommend listening to scholars like Hamza Yusuf,Timmothy Winter, Nouman Ali khan. 3- I've realized that coming to absolute certainty through only rational means isn't possible because of the limitations of our rational minds. After my research when I was fairly convinced that Islam makes the most sense then I accepted and started practising it. And this is when I became certain. Through practice, the spiritual light that God puts in your heart makes you certain beyond a shadow of a doubt. Muslims have a belief that if any individual is sincere and makes an effort to find the truth then God will without a doubt guide him to the truth. So just keeping searching for the truth of life with sincerity. May God aid you in your path. Regards

[@facetofloor]

The answer is NO. There is no salvation for the mukallaf outside of Islam. "The only religion accepted by Allah is ISLAM." ---Aal `Imraan, 19

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

Can Salvation be Found Outside of Islam? Damn it, we need the answer? BAFS

[@mindsoulbody]

Two problems I found: 1. NO true scholar say he is a scholar...rather "I'm a student of this path." If you listen to world renowened scholars like Hamza Yusuf or his colleague, they are humble and never utter "I think I am a scholar" or similar quote like he did in this video at 2:08. However this can be overlooked. It's just a manner of speaking for him I guess. What CAN NOT BE OVERLOOKED is: 2. 2:56 He said Imam al Ghazali lost his faith in God. THAT ENTIRE SENTENCE IS WRONG. He did NOT loose faith. He had a crisis of understanding what is the innermost truth. Imam al Ghazali went into very in-depth analysis of it and Hamza Yusuf covers this topic greatly along with many other scholars. HOWEVER NEVER EVER this moment came where Imam al Ghazali lost his faith in God. As Hamza Yusuf said, the problem always lies in how we speak. Choose your words carefully. For someone who studied, even if very little, and learned so much from scholars from sources like books/media (i.e. youtube), one may find minute faults like this in lecture such as this. Unfortunately for those who are being introduced to this topic, they may get misinformation from hearing that Imam Ghazali lost his faith in God. A simple example is when Neil degrasse tyson said, [The reason the Muslim world lost its progress is because of Al Ghazali who stated that math is evil.] Little did neil degrasse tyson know...Al Ghazali DID NOT SAY that. What he actually said was actually brought forth by a NON MUSLIM guy who loved and read Al Ghazali's book. He among many other non muslim and muslims (including Hamza Yusuf) talked about this topic about religion and math and they cleared out the topic. So you see...the problem is when someone know little and they just formulate their own idea on top of something that they don't fully comprehend, then they make those statement public in a speech like Jonatha Brown did here or Tyson did in a science related speech...causes the mass people to be confused. UTTER YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY. THEY HAVE MEANING---GOOD OR BAD.

[@AbdulKareemAbdulRahman]

Bro/Sis. I invite you to consider a more relaxed approach. Did you go beyond the first 3 minutes? How do your criticisms above impinge on the validity of his response to the topic at hand? Has it not occurred to you that he has familiarity and intimacy with the audience? One can consider it is reasonable that anyone could use this 'jokey'/'familiar' approach when dealing with a known audience. Look, he is engaging this particular topic. This he did in approx one hour and he gives several approaches used in the consideration of the ultimate fate of non-muslims. And towards the end, he provides the approach he prefers. Would love to hear your criticism of the substance of his presentation.

[@jamesbrown2761]

A scholar is a seeker of knowledge.

[@leyali524]

Look up the meaning of scholar smh

[@One-rr8um]

He called himself a 'scholar' to make a joke. He knows his audience. It's just a joke of making fun of yourself. We always do that.

[@user-nc2fk1jy8l]

I know for most people, this will sound extreme. But I feel dad reading the comments because most people seem to be agreeing with this. This approach of trying to find ayaat to conform with what we believe to be correct or what we find comfortable enough to believe seems strange to me and really sad. When Allah says in the Quran, 3:19, an ayah that Dr. Brown mentioned, that Islam is the religion in the sight of Allah, does not that end all arguments?! I don't understand why we have to keep digging to find something that might meet with what we feel is correct. Dr. Brown talked about the mercy of Allah and how that encompasses all things. Of course that's correct. But he used that to justify why he believes hell fire cannot be ever lasting. But that simply makes no sense because is he then suggesting that when Allah puts people in hell, he is not being merciful at that time, even though it is explicitly stated that Allah's mercy encompasses all things? Is Allah only merciful when he puts us in jannah but not in jahunum? If so, then does Allah's mercy not encompass all things? I think that argument cannot be used to justify why you think hell fire is not everlasting. He talked about how we shouldn't condemn people to hell because we are then ignoring Allah's attribute of being the most merciful. Of course, he is right we shouldn't condemn individuals to hell but I don't think anyone with any knowledge would say that anyway. But is he not ignoring the attribute of Allah being the most wise and the most just when he is defining for Allah what mercy is and isnt? I.e. that when Allah puts us in hell, he is not being merciful. I feel sad that as an ummah, we are trying to change our interpretation of our deen to suit what we think is morally correct. Btw there are so many places in the quran where Allah states the disbelivers will reside in hell forever, please check these for yourself and you will realise that coming up with your own theories when there is explicit evidence is so dangerous. (4:168-169, 33:64, 72:33). Allah's words are the truth, let us believe them and not think that maybe Allah will change his mind because it doesn't fit with what we believe can be a merciful Lord. For those interested, please check out Muslim Skeptic youtube channel- it seriously opened my eyes to all of this stuff.

[@semedic1319]

9:34 He is wrong about this matter. A Muslim man can marry a non-Muslim woman but he can, only, if the woman is a christian or Jewish.

[@ahmedakhan1]

Since a Muslim man can marry a Christian or Jewish or Sabean (possibly Zoroastrian) woman , then a Muslim woman can marry men from these faiths as well since there is no prohibition explicitly in the Quran for women. A permission for Muslim men would then apply as well to Muslim women!

[@MohammedAlSharif2002]

@@ahmedakhan1 no.

[@thelastrainshower]

@@ahmedakhan1 incorrect.

[@truthprevails4163]

I think that out side of Islam there will never be a salvation because Qur'an says so. Inside of Islam following a distorted version of Islam, there may be some excuse or may not be it is in the hands of God.

[@truthprevails4163]

Anti Hate Well answer to this is that what was revealed to each prophet has been clearly revealed to the last and final prophet Muhammad (S). So Quran has a another name which is called MUHIMIN the tool to check the quality or to certify the product of its free from fakery.

[@truthprevails4163]

Anti Hate I watch so many and I really don't know what you are trying to drive at.

[@user-nc2fk1jy8l]

I know for most people, this will sound extreme. But I feel dad reading the comments because most people seem to be agreeing with this. This approach of trying to find ayaat to conform with what we believe to be correct or what we find comfortable enough to believe seems strange to me and really sad. When Allah says in the Quran, 3:19, an ayah that Dr. Brown mentioned, that Islam is the religion in the sight of Allah, does not that end all arguments?! I don't understand why we have to keep digging to find something that might meet with what we feel is correct. Dr. Brown talked about the mercy of Allah and how that encompasses all things. Of course that's correct. But he used that to justify why he believes hell fire cannot be ever lasting. But that simply makes no sense because is he then suggesting that when Allah puts people in hell, he is not being merciful at that time, even though it is explicitly stated that Allah's mercy encompasses all things? Is Allah only merciful when he puts us in jannah but not in jahunum? If so, then does Allah's mercy not encompass all things? I think that argument cannot be used to justify why you think hell fire is not everlasting. He talked about how we shouldn't condemn people to hell because we are then ignoring Allah's attribute of being the most merciful. Of course, he is right we shouldn't condemn individuals to hell but I don't think anyone with any knowledge would say that anyway. But is he not ignoring the attribute of Allah being the most wise and the most just when he is defining for Allah what mercy is and isnt? I.e. that when Allah puts us in hell, he is not being merciful. I feel sad that as an ummah, we are trying to change our interpretation of our deen to suit what we think is morally correct. Btw there are so many places in the quran where Allah states the disbelivers will reside in hell forever, please check these for yourself and you will realise that coming up with your own theories when there is explicit evidence is so dangerous. (4:168-169, 33:64, 72:33). Allah's words are the truth, let us believe them and not think that maybe Allah will change his mind because it doesn't fit with what we believe can be a merciful Lord. For those interested, please check out Muslim Skeptic youtube channel- it seriously opened my eyes to all of this stuff.

[@TheMarxist92]

He cited Ibn Taymiyyah when speaking of Hell's eternality. Logically speaking, I can't see how an eternal torment could by definition serve any purpose. Every sinful person, no matter how bad they are in this life, must reach a point in their suffering where the pain becomes purely for the sake of pain. If you don't agree, then I don't think you've thought deeply enough about the sheer magnitude of eternity. I'm not trying to arrogantly call God's bluff. Even a moment in Hell is more painful than anyone can appreciate. But either there's something I'm missing that classical and literalist scholars have failed to articulate, or there's a more nuanced/allegorical meaning behind how "forever" is used in the Qur'an that allows us to reinterpret the eternality of Hell. Because like I said, suffering can only have punitive purpose for so long before it simply becomes pain for the sake of pain. And I feel doing that would be beneath God

[@unrulytraveller6149]

talk to david wood, talk to david wood

[@unrulytraveller6149]

@Lanslot first refute then lecture

[@Zahra-ug6ji]

سني شيعي اباضي.........أخيرا😁

[@patriciaagbafor6600]

All your quotations have no reference. so, how does one know if you are saying the truth. but one thing I know for sure, most of the things you said here are not in line with the type of Islamic teachings the world is use to all these years.

[@shahbhalu8465]

Islam is the only salvation bcoz it is the only True message all other do not exist in their original form

[@ahmedakhan1]

Even Islam does not exist in its original form! All you have to do is see how much of Islam today is based on the Quran, the true word of Allah, and how much is based on scholars' views!

[@ImyManzProductions]

LOL, Jonathan always dropping jokes going over people's heads.

[@jocelynburrell9174]

Peace when looking at it from a uneducated person view having lived a life without Islam and being bless to be woken seeing 1442 yrs Later and the state of Humanity and the mind set of not having no guildance of Quran what state we all would be in just not eatting pig it make you violent. Mixed with drinking.

[@lorenzochimelis7359]

I completely disagree believing simply in Allah as one god is not enough one must accept the totality of what is on the Islamic platform .Good deeds do not on there own open up autoMagically the gates of gena what does open her gates of jennsh is the MERCY OF ALLAH as made a i dangly clear by the prophet Muhammad accepting the totality of the Islamic platform opens the incalculable vastness of the mercy of Allah it is in that context that we can not say who is going and not going to heaven and hell as that is the eminent domain of Allah unknown to any of the creation . The condition of the so called believer is only known by Allah as is his final destination those who reject the Islamic platform though they may have some characteristics of Islam are by there own choice destiny Ned for hell they will get as reward in this life of the praise and Remembrance of others and the credit for there deeds that gives them a portion of fame that by default will extend to there families the content of there personal reality i rejection of Islam is disqualified they will earn the product of that rejection

[@BAFREMAUXSOORMALLY]

There is ARABIA, not SAUDI Arabia - those CRYPTO JEWS!

[@dannysbookauthority7280]

WAIT is it not shown that Jesus the Christ is the man without sin the very substance of the universe seen and unseen was made through Him, Who condemns slavery racism prostitution CONCUBINES polygamy rape sex with animals and children and any sex outside of marriage and any sex not consented to, AND MORE, that marriage is of one man and one woman, where all are equal get that ALL ARE EQUAL through HIM therefore HE is the end to all human and animal sacrifices FOREVER. WHY? BECAUSE HE IS the PASSOVER sacrifice, who has the power to heal. And Paul did not did not did not convert to Christianity from Judaism for Jesus kept the Torah of God and is exact representation of God on earth who appeared to Abraham twice who Abraham saw and did not sacrifice ISAAC, as he saw the ram in the thicket. Bahaahaa the woke have stopped the ham and PAGAN RITUALS AND CELBRATIONS. BUT YOU SAID SLAVERY CONCUBINES AND RAPE IS LEGAL IN SHARIA SO BY YOUR OWN WORDS ARE THE SECRETS BEING SHOUTED FROM THE HOUSETOPS OF THE WWW. SO NO WONT BOW TO YOU ARE NOT AN AUTHORITY. THIS IS THE VIDEO HERE SAYING OWNING PEOPLE IS MORAL WOW!!!! kzbin.info/www/bejne/g6GpkqeIrMmDo5I NO TO YOU!

[@roberteigen4499]

how about first discussing whether there is anything like salvation!!! It is acutally an infantile wish!!!!

[@gloriagloria5377]

Must asked those who leave Islam and convert to Christianity.

[@hashiralam6127]

Send him to meee

[@PlanetOfTheApes999]

@@hashiralam6127 So you can butcher them?

[@jj-yi1ne]

@@PlanetOfTheApes999 you know christians have the worst character

[@fredflintstone8048]

This person has a very specific view of religions in general and makes assumptions about how they work which has nothing to do with Christianity. The Christian doesn't go to heaven because they're a good person. In Christianity, if it were true that a person has to be 'good' to get to heaven, heaven would be empty. The idea of the so called 'good person going to heaven' is what a lot of religions do teach, including Islam. But has nothing at all to do with biblical Christianity. If a person wants to know the mindset of the true Christian they'll have to take time and read the bible. Bible believing, informed Christians know they go to heaven based on God's grace. It's about what God does, not what we do.

[@darthfreiza7664]

Actually, you have to believe that Jesus atoned for your sins, the original sin. In Islam you have to exert an effort according to your ability to worship and please God and live according to his law, but then too only through god's mercy will you enter heaven.

[@fredflintstone8048]

@@darthfreiza7664 Yes, and the belief that the Christian has is given to him/her by God. Belief is not self induced, there's no such thing as genuine self induced faith. It's ALL the work of God, not the work of humans... Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, Eph 2:9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them.

[@darthfreiza7664]

@@fredflintstone8048 Exactly, Faith comes from God, and those who have it are very lucky, but one only needs to do is think. But you must not forget that it is the same God who causes people to go astray, There is no such thing as a Good God. God is wise and all that he does has reasons. I heard that if one doesn't believe in Jesus he won't be judged by Jesus. Is that true? I would also like to know which set of Christianity are you from?

[@One-rr8um]

Islam categorically says that it's all from God's mercy. But at the same time, you have to do your best to make good works. God is just and merciful at the same time. You have more chance of getting mercy if you are righteous as God will do justice to the action you did.

[@Kimeikus]

This issue is very clear in Islam. Idk why you’re speaking as if Muslims believe that good deeds get people to heaven.

[@tuwaylib]

ICNA/MAS even having this topic is messed up. Maududi, al Banna, and Qutb have nothing to do with your modernist nonsense.

[@bernardmcavoy1864]

Maududi , al Banna and Qutb are modernist nonsense.