How Islam Began, Fred Donner: UnCommon Core Lecture

[@NoahKennedy-author]

Fred Donner and scholars like him are the real heroes of modern thinking about religion. Calm and thoughtful scholarship is what we need to listen to and learn from. The anger and intolerance in the comments here are tiresome to read and toxic: nothing is as bad and nothing is as good as what is claimed here.

[@البريقاللامع-ج8خ]

Noah Kennedy I think his style is so boring! I have feeling that he was not sure to study this field.

[@darriuscole8544]

@Noah Kennedy - Comments like this are conclusive proof that you haven't actually spent any time reading the Quran or hadiths. Or at least you had not when you wrote this comment; KZbin tells me that I am writing 3 years after your comment. Anybody that has read the Islamic scripture, any significant part of it, for it is not necessary to have read all of it; knows that Islam is WORSE that what the people describe in the thread comments. It is truly beyond the imagination of anybody who grew up in the West, unless they have studied it.

[@stephenconnolly1830]

Darrius Cole - I doubt you know what you are talking about since no civilization can spread and become dominant as Islam did for so many centuries if its core values were corrupt in the first place. The other commentators in this thread show this level of understanding and nuance. That you don't demonstrates you and your jaundiced views don't belong here.

[@darriuscole8544]

Unfortunately, I DO know what I am talking about. The values ascribed by the Quran are bad beyond the imagination of the average person born and raised in the US or Europe. If you don't think so then you either 1) Are a muslim yourself or 2) You have not read it. Most muslim people are better than what is allowed in Quran. Also, the fact that Islam spread does not mean that its underlying virtues are good. Governments with corrupt values become dominant all the time.

[@MrTeddydog]

And why his views do not belong here? And what the values are, if I can ask that lead to the genocide of Armenians? Islam was dominant because of the military conquests not because of the values it represents.

[@wisepersonsay3142]

Having lived in different countries with different beliefs, I can say one thing very clear and loud;very few people are practising their belief. The most of us worship money and power. Regardless of beliefs, we have this phenomenon in common. No difference, quintessential all the time.

[@786humaira1]

So well said.True most time and places.

[@smileysmileking]

cant agree more

[@ilonkastille2993]

Wisepersonsay we are not discussing people but a religion.

[@ilonkastille2993]

@@byronwright1612 he is certainly not the same as our God. Mainly (I think) because the socalled angel Gabriel who gave the messages to Mohammad, was not an angel of God and his messages were more diabolical. than anything else. Even M. thought the angel was a demon , in the beginning.

[@johnrevelation37]

What did Jesus say? 🤔 No one can serve two masters... it's either God is your master or money is your master". The Bible speaks truth once again...................................................

[@el-aaminahbintshahidLIFECOACH]

I personally think this man was somewhat fair with his opinion of how Islam started. He tried to stay as respectable as possible being a non-Muslim. NO, HE WONT TELL IT LIKE A MUSLIM WOULD TELL IT BECAUSE A MUSLIM WOULD TELL THE STORY WITH A PASSION OF BELIEF IN ISLAM!

[@sweynforkbeard8857]

He was a good dhimini.

[@celestialknight2339]

I am a Muslim, and unfortunately many Muslims are afraid of Western scholarship & academia when it comes to the Qur’an or Islam (so too are many Christians & Jews when it comes to their religion), because they think it will invalidate their faith or cause them doubts. But I have to say that I actually find it INVIGORATING and REFRESHING to hear new, open-minded and diverse perspectives and insights that academics have to share. I often find gems that INCREASE my faith when I read their works. You don’t have to accept all of it, but that’s the point-have an open mind and be willing to listen to new perspectives, and be a critical thinker who thinks for themselves. As the Qur’an itself encourages: *”Those who listen to what is said, and follow the BEST of it. It is **_those_** whom God has truly guided. Those are the ones who possess real intellect.”* _(Qur’an __39:18__)_

[@sidprice6214]

Muslims are not afraid of Western Scholarship and academia after all it has had its own scholarships for hundreds of years analysing Islam as well. What is disconcerting is when bias and prejudice is dressed up as scholarship and academia and sold to unsuspecting poorly educated Muslim populations. To give you an example : Dr Daniel Brubaker and his book (20 Corrections in the Quran(?)). Although the book itself was not a work of scholarship it was presented as an extension (or extract) of his scholarly thesis. It is clear from the book that Dr Brubaker had already made up his mind about the preservation of the Quran before even listing one so-called "correction". As i said Muslims are not afraid... and in fact the Quran ITSELF challenges everyone - including scholars and academics - to critically analyse the Quran. If Allah himself is not afraid of academia and scholars why should Muslims be? Its not really about accepting or not accepting what western academics say. It is about validating their accuracy and truthfulness and eliminating prejudice and bias from their work. The truth/haqq is from Allah and hence ANY haqq is acceptable to Muslims even if expounded by western academics and scholars. However lies and innuendos presented as truth are strongly rejected.

[@afiqmohd1150]

@@sidprice6214 you said it beautifully

[@sidprice6214]

@@afiqmohd1150 Thanks. Its mostly common sense which people don't seem to want to apply.

[@heliosperegrin]

How does it increase your faith to find out that the whole religion was basically shaped as a political tool?

[@celestialknight2339]

@@heliosperegrin Methodological naturalism. Do yourself a favor & look up those two words 👍🏼 Take care.

[@karimgadelrab7027]

Thanks for the calm and thoughtful analysis. I have to emphasize that your arabic pronunciation is impeccable. Very impressive! I personally learnt a lot about the history of my own religion.

[@inquisitivemind007]

This is more shocking kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqrKl42Ofayea5Y

[@LuisSalazar-vu4jd]

@Anas Siddiqui So because the Bible is Wrong, do we need to believe in the Quran?... Looks like both are wrong.

[@LuisSalazar-vu4jd]

@simp hunter Because the Bible has more consistency historically. The Bible was created during a big period of time, when the Quran just in 20 years

[@LuisSalazar-vu4jd]

@simp hunter Are The stories in the Quran about the prophets correct or not?, because many of them contradict the stories in the Bible.

[@LuisSalazar-vu4jd]

@simp hunter I think the Bible is more in line with history because it has been written in a big period of time. The Bible shows what the people of different times think about God(s),. In the other side, Quran reinterprets all those histories. Sometimes the Quran took stories and did not know exactly what they mean. Example the word Injil or Messiah. One additional contradiction that I found in the Quran is when they refers to God in first person plural, WE.

[@majeedm689]

Was the Prophet of Islam an Atheist? Yes the heading will certainly raise some eyebrows but bear with me and please be open minded as I present to you an unconventional but certainly probable exposition on Muhammed, the final Prophet. According to Muslims, Muhammed was a 7th century Arab who received revelations from God through an angel intermediary over a period of 23 years, thus forming the basis of the Quran - a scripture containing all the revelations. But this is where we run into problems. When you open the Quran and read these supposed revelations (from an ALL knowing powerful God) you discover the following irregularities and discrepancies. 1.Verses originating from myths and legends (Syriac Legend of Alexander and The 7 Sleepers of Ephesus ) 2. Verses originating from rejected apocryphal biblical and gnostic sources (The Infancy Gospel of Thomas) 3. Verses lifted straight from the bible (Universe created in 6 days, Camel through the Eye of a needle) 4. Verses that seem to serve the personal whims and fancies of Muhammed (who he can marry, which wife he can spend more time with etc). 5. Verses that keeps repeating immoral intercouse with married female captives.(4:24, 23:1, 70:29, 33:50 etc) 6. Verses that undermines the status of women. (beat them, testimony is worth less than than that of a man, 4 months seclusion) 7. Verses that are confusing and strange (3.7 basically says the entire Qur'an is unclear and if try to understand it you have a disease. 3:81) 8. Verses that places a bizarre emphasis on sexual pleasure for men (and Jinn) in the afterlife (55:56). 9. Verses that provide zero context or explanation (Who is Abu Lahab?) 10. Verses that repeatedly confirm the inspiration, preservation, authority and authenticity of the 7th century bible even though Muslims insist it's been corrupted from the 1st century (3.3, 5:47, 7:157 etc) 11. Verses that are completely wrong on how it depicts science, biology and cosmology. (All alleged scientific "miracles" can be easily refuted using Quran itself) 12. Verses that challenge the reader to its Divinity even though the same challenge can be applied to any book in history. 13. Verses mostly end with a threat of punishment or humiliation for the individual who doesn't submit. 14. Verses that practically copy and paste it's laws from the Jewish Talmud and other scriptures. 15. Verses that has nothing new to say so just repeats the same thing over and over again. 16. Verses that quote biblical characters as if they're 7th century Arabs. 17. Verses that are contradictory (no compulsion in religion vs fight those that those who don't believe) 18. Verses that start and end abruptly, arranged haphazardly and gives no context. 19. Verses that have zero benefit for mankind and if removed affects nothing. 20. Verses that are different to other versions of Qur'an so not perfectly preserved (Hafs vs Warsh) .....and many more. Looking at these issues objectively - one thing becomes absolutely clear - the Quran could NOT have come from an All Knowing and Perfect Divine Source but rather a human/s making standard fallable errors, taking many years to perfect it, but still falling short. >>>So what type of human scribe is this? If this author believed in some kind of Deity or Higher Power that judged him according to his actions, he would NOT be as brazen, confident, arrogant, shameless, narcissistic, fearless and determined enough to fabricate this entire verse revelation fallacy. He'll be far too afraid of the repercussions, yes? Therefore the ONLY conclusion that one can draw is that the author/s of the Quran MUST have been an atheist or at the very least agnostic with zero accountability or culpability for his elaborate campaign.( Notice how the Quran keeps saying - "there is no blame on you" for immoral verses such as 23:1-6, 33:50 and 70:29-30. >>>Now why is the Qur'an essentially a book that implores people to believe in a God that he personally did not believe in? Muhammed noticed one thing that with the Jews, Christians and Pagans and all other groups, that motivated his campaign. The ONLY thing guaranteed to get a large amount of people to follow a single cause is through belief in some type of supernatural Deity that can't be seen or heard. It's the belief/faith that He/It is there that matters. And then proceed to make up countless promises of eternal bliss if you submit to this Deity or a torturous eternal punishment if you don't. How do you think the Christian missionaries managed to spread a complex 3in1 belief that no one understands so rapidly? >>>What was his end game - if not to begin a new religion? Belief in "Allah" is just the deception. The ultimate goal was subjugation and control to get people to submit to your will on the pretext of being a Prophet where you have access to vast amounts of wealth (jizya) and assets (war booty) and copious amounts of sex slaves but do it on the pretext of a Divine instruction. This is what "Allah wants" but ultimately it's me who gets it. (His own child bride Ayesha even declared - your "Lord" rushes to fulfill your desires). Wow. Over the next next few hundred years Muhammads status was honed, shaped manipulated and fabricated into the "best of creations" where he has now achieved an almost God like status, occupying a position closer to your average Muslim than his/her own mother. I'd say he was something of a 7th century religious cult leader many of whom typically still practise their "craft" today.

[@an08p]

As a Muslim, I feel every religions are man made politics of old. No god wants people to worship them as slaves, only Monarchs of the past wanted people to fear the unknown and obey rules which is not a bad thing politically. God the supreme one is loving and loves us all. Only the supreme one planned everything and will take us all back one day from every living to non living things.

[@politelyimpolite]

We owe such gratitude to academics, and academic historians in particular, for their consistent search for truth.

[@sweynforkbeard8857]

How about when the presentation is nothing more than wishful propaganda of leftist academics? Is that doing you or society any favors? Wouldn't the truth about the status of other religions under Islam be of more value?

[@charlieescalante3652]

Learned a lot from watching this. It is truly amazing how little we know about the past. As a teacher, I try to emphasize the use of primary sources, yet we have so little of them for such big topics like origins of religion.

[@inquisitivemind007]

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[@attiylanen]

@@inquisitivemind007 Yep! Muhammad never went to Jerusalem, except in his dreams riding a flying donkey(!). When Islam was young and Muhammad thought that he'd be able to convert the Jews, he had his first disciples (muslims) to pray towards Jerusalem. Of course, the Jews were not very convinced. What did Muhammad do then? He expelled and beheaded all Jews of his hometown, and had the gibla changed from Jerusalem to Medina.

[@saimtanweer5720]

@@attiylanen lies lies lies,it was not a dream but a real journey , see what you are doing is picking and leaving narrative from the hadith which suits your belief , horse was running not flying , Islam wasn't young it always was since Adam qibla was first put towards jerusalem to remove strong racial felling from the Arab Muslims not impress because it was there since Mecca period when there were no Jews , muslim punished only those Jewish tribes who broked there treaty others were allowed to live , qibla was changed to Mecca not medina

[@attiylanen]

​@@saimtanweer5720 wrote: "horse was running not flying" If not flying, then answer me this: why did the 'horse' have wings? If it was not flying, how could Muhammad make the journey from Mecca to Jerusalem in one single night? If it wasn't a dream, but a real journey, how is it possible to make the trip from Mecca to Jerusalem in a single night on a horseback? Plus, From Jerusalem Muhammad also flew to heaven. How ridiculous can one story be? But you are correct in this one. I made a mistake: Muhammad did change the qibla from Jerusalem to Mecca, not to Medina. That was my bad. See, I'm able to admit when I make a mistake or when I'm wrong. I've never seen any of your people admit when you're wrong. Everybody is free to read the whole story about the so-called break of treaty and how it was justified to have Muhammad behead 900 chained POWs in a single afternoon. Just read the Life of Muhammad by ibn Ishaq. It's all there. Don't take my word for it, neither take the word of any muslim. I urge everybody to just read it.

[@saimtanweer5720]

@@attiylanen wings were there 2 move really fast , and it wasn't a horse but a creature named buraq and it was too fast that's why it went to jerusalem to Medina in single night and from jerusalem to heaven was done with Gabriel not buraq correct if I'm wrong , so you can't say God can't do it for his Prophet Firstly you made another mistake , the judgement for Banu quraiza was given by Saad bin muad who made the treaty between muslim and Jews of Banu quraiza , if prophet would have did it he would have just expelled them from Medina for there treason And it was done according to DEUTERONOMY ch 13 rules , It wasn't so called break of treaty , it could have caused great loss to muslim , and saad died just few days after this judgement because he was wounded and Jews themselves choosed saad to give punishment for them And Ibn ishaq said 800 not 900 ,don't add extra , secondly his report is doubted by Muslim historian due to several reasons first ibn ishaq is not completely authentic and has some wrong narration , secondly the quran said about that punishment " some you executed and some you took captives " in ch 33 , so it is most authentic , and some other studies show that this large amount of men couldn't have belonged to single tribe and Medina a small city had no place for burial of these many mens and it happened just few hours after battle of trench , so most generally they would have been buried in the trench but report says they were buried in market place which doesn't looks correct because muslim were exausted so they wouldn't have took the pain to dig another grave yard

[@lenwilkinson672]

One of the most sensible explanations of the origins of Islam,without the bombastic preachings of Islamic scholars who believe they are right and everyone else are infidels and are wrong.

[@gaychristian6196]

Well, infidels are wrong!

[@noratoufaili5869]

As a Muslim, I appreciate every second of this video. I didn't know even know 10% of this information about my OWN RELIGION. Thank you for this. Truly.

[@jamesi2018]

i like it also because it fits more with the concept of mohammad pbuh. i mean the way he treated people

[@noratoufaili5869]

JAMES IRVINE Exactly!!!

[@mdlatham7]

It's rubbish.

[@takeiteasy2305]

You should be ashamed of yourself

[@ssa6227]

Don't take information from these dishonest academics. Go to credible sources. They can tell you lot better. We have non Muslim and Muslim testimonials with chain of narrations that no other civilization can boast of. Yet they paint Muslims as dishonest while taking all other historical evidence without enough testimonials. Biased and racists.

[@dowmd93]

Definition of believers is given in 3rd chapter, beginning of Surah Al Imran. It says believer is one who believes in one God, all Angels, all holy books, all Prophets of Allah, Judgement day,

[@mohamedismail6273]

Ayah?

[@marie2859]

I ageee with a lot of what he says. I was raised Christian and became a Muslim. I dont think they are different religions but the same. The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was sent to help bring us back to God's original message that he gave to everyone (so originally Jews and Christians) but their messages changed over time. Thats why i dont like to say "revert"or "convert" since its more like my faith has always been there, but ive come to a better understanding of God's original message. Therefore, this man's lecture with believers and how historical evidence of churches that were split with Muslims and Christians make so much sense

[@George-iv1hi]

Before converting to islam, you should finish your education. Now your opinion is that of a moron.

[@daverandle3575]

@@George-iv1hi yeah, this is the way you get people to buy what you selling.

[@oiulti6900]

I converted to islam too. Y friend became a reborn Christian, and introduced to me the concept of God. I started to learn Christianity… and then stumbled upon Islam, and the lord of the universe explained to me Christianity better than what current Christianity is. I believe Christian’s are really Muslims, but they don’t want to believe it, but I do, because the lord of the universe taught us this, Jesus was a Muslim too Alhumdulilah

[@MrCls88]

They're actually totally opposed. There are basically 2 religious systems out there, one based on salvation through faith (Bible Christianity alone) and the other one, where Islam is included with all of the other relions out there, based on salvation through own works, deeds. No true student of the Bible can ever become a muslim or anything else for that matter since they all lack "The way, The truth and The life".

[@marie2859]

@@MrCls88 this is a biased opinion, no offense :) every religion will teach "this is the true religion" and devote followers will be convinced their belief is truth. Our job is to research not just what the religion teaches (e.g. does it make sense, is it logical) but the evidence and strength of that religion being true. Christianity has such a beautiful message of love, hope, salvation but when it comes to evidence of reliability, it unfortunately is very weak. Nobody knows who wrote the 4 gospels for example. They were called Matthew mark luke and john in the 2nd century but were written unanimously. Biblical scholars believe the apostle Paul only wrote half the books claimed to be written by him. Biblical scholars also believe peter couldn't have written 1 and 2nd peter because it was written in highly skilled Greek and peter was an illiterate fisherman who spoke Aramaic. Revelation was written by a man named John but not THE John, not one of Jesus's disciples. Ending of mark isn't original, story of the prostitute in John was a 10th century addition....the Christmas stories contradict each other because there is a 10 year gab between King Herod and Quirinius. Shall I continue? In summary, I sincerely love Christianity. I really enjoy learning about the theology of Christianity (protestant). I listen to Biblical scholars basically every day. But the strength of evidence for Christianity really is weak. At the end of the day, it's not about which religion has the best promises and message. Its about which religion has the strongest evidence of being true. And from several years of research and learning, my conclusion is Islam has the strongest evidence of being true, despite my deep love for Christianity

[@Evelyne888]

Thank you for this very informative lecture! I think it is important that we know what we're talking about :) - and it's a great way to discover the lies which are also being passed on in the media and so on, which could easily be used for propaganda etc. Thanks again.

[@Timakiwala]

Green 💚 colour hair.. Islam is formed with Forces, Swords ⚔️, Bullets, Killings, means all are Converted from other religions. No self ideology,,No laws,, Only Men's are rulling,, Womens are tortured,, Womens are machines for producing 20,30, 50 childrens.. 4/5/6 wives...Talak TALAK Talak 3 words to destroy Women's,,, Interested in 72 HOORS with very big size Breast....Ladies have no place in society. Hum converted SUWARS Hai. Hum KALAMA Padhate hai... Huma-me JAJABA hai... Hum TALAK de sakate hai... Hum HALALA bhee karate hai(enjoyment)... 72 HOORS with big boobs for us... We can produce 20/30/50 kids , hamara Penis عضو تناسل Powerful Hai(4/6 wives)... Kya huwa, hamare bachche بچے Pancharwala Beggers Hotel worker Butcher Riksha puller hai to,, JIHADI bhee hai, inshallah....

[@btcpk]

I’ve never seen anyone do it better.

[@sylvia7000]

try Cira International, have fun . . . ..

[@israfilangel8062]

@@sylvia7000 cira is just a bunch of liars who twists things to suit tbeir agenda! They've been already exposed by their own people many times!

[@kennethleavell5121]

very poor audio. I have the volume on full and can hardly hear

[@truthseeker10990]

your device is the problem

[@joeiiiful]

My Samsung Galaxy 10s plus is very good. I have the volume set at 3/4.

[@Junedmx]

You have a bad device Bro

[@robmckay5421]

It was Ernest Renan who said the Islam was born in the full light of history.

[@sandlikhaled]

the islam give full light of the History :)

[@syedali7205]

May be it was. But considering the large number of enemies the Prophet, considering the inter-Muslim quarrels than began immediately after his death, the probability of history catching the truth was very small.

[@gvjudd1289]

the stupidest statement ever made by a westerner ,sure he was present at the birth he caught the yawling infant as it burst out of aminas vagina ,also was splashed with all the blood urine amniotic fluid feaces so renan should know,he just forgot to take a selfie

[@indialover83]

@@syedali7205 the fitna between the ummayads and the hashemites with the ansar struggle put in, makes early islam a historical nightmare.

[@budyharianto8229]

anyone here have heard of "christian prince" ??.. seek it..

[@thesavior6291]

Islam is different from other Abrahamic faiths. Compulsion/submission is the theme of Islam: there is compulsion in the following: prayers, fasting, dress code, pilgrimage, and so on. In Christianity, this is not so...

[@sidprice6214]

If you took the time to study the history (including the Bible) of the Hebrews/Jews and Christians you will see just how inaccurate your claims are.

[@anwarsufi618]

I dont understand this type of scholarship. This is a type of scholarship that is essentially missing the entire point. Fred Donner should know better than any of us that stories were not documented because the arabic peoples were not peoples who wrote things down. The arabs are a tradition known as an oral tradition. Everything was memorised. The Islamic tradition has various sources of information. 1) The Quran is known as the most authentic source - which he seems to base everything on. 2) The tradition has the Hadith literature which is monumental in the amount. There have been thousands and thousands of sayings of the prophets, and things that he did that have been collected. And these sayings have been scrutinised as to their validity by the early muslim scholars. They have even been graded as to how authentic they were based on how many people have transmitted the same saying from the prophet. There are various sayings that are on the same level of the authenticity of the Quran. And others that are extremely authentic as well. Why doesnt he use any of these? Its half rate scholarship to apply western methods to a civilisation that was clearly different. Disappointing to say the least.

[@SoftSpeakin6]

Hi...the hadith came into existence 239 years after Muhammad's death. Clearly not authentic

[@richardwendling4030]

12:28 The volume spikes, I had a feeling there was a problem with his mic...Watch out iof wearing headphones or watching late with speakers...

[@ahmadhaki9500]

Richard Wendling thank you

[@inquisitivemind007]

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[@dentonhahn2907]

Definitely not the same God, there is such a thing as a law of non contradiction. Islam has a big problem, there is a massive contradiction the Muslim says the Quran is the only book, yet the Quran says you must follow the Bible, the Bible says Jesus is God, he is first and last and no other. The cop out for Muslims is, "the Bible has been corrupted " yet they give no evidence, they say that the Quran is written by god, but give no evidence, they contradict history and its claims. Also they fail to mention that catholicism started Islam.

[@Iammram]

The Qur'an does not say you must follow the bible. The bible can say what it wants, Jesus never told you he was. "Muslims say its been corrupted but give no evidence" Your whole belief shows how corrupted it is. If you want textual proof, the whole story of the adulteress woman is a fabricated story. The famous "Trinity verse" of 1 John 5:7 is also a fabricated verse. No one says the Qur'an is written by God... it's "Revealed" by God. Catholicism started Islam? Somehow they don't pray to Mary, they reject the divinity of Christ and they are told to reject the trinity. How exactly is it started from Catholicism? You fool.

[@lord-nj9hx]

U call him fool. Islam is a copy of judaism Christian ity and other 4th century judeo Christian stuff. That's why the stupid things like moses splitting sea, jesus born to a virgin ,creation in 6 days and all that. If it is really from God why do it have such unscientific thing.

[@mohsiniqbal7552]

Comments section shows that the society is already brainwashed and dont want to listen anything which is opposite to the media. Thanks for this lecture. Here is a verse from Qur'an: Indeed, those who have believed and those who became Jews and Christians and the Sabians who believe in God and the Day of Judgment and do good deeds, they shall have their reward with their Lord and they shall neither have fear [for the future] nor any remorse [for the past]. (2:62)

[@AJSoundbites]

Go checkout exmuslim spartacus channel if you understand urdu.

[@orlandothompson4186]

Sabean are moon worshippers. Prove more that Allah is al Ilah. All you guys did was take the I out

[@stuartdodson6630]

Is that true? I haven’t read so I don’t know. I don’t care for this man’s atheistic religious perspective, but I appreciate having the opportunity presented to see and read your comment. Peace be with you, brother.

[@AstroRamiEmad]

@@orlandothompson4186 you are a living proof of Dunning-Kruger effect

[@ultramaxpro8537]

But history has shown Islam has caused 374 million deaths in this world. Still calling Islam peaceful?

[@MutazAlhami]

minute 19:20 When the Qur’an addresses the reader or listener (O believers) and not (O Muslims), this is because the Qur’an addresses all believers in God, Muslims and non-Muslims. The accuracy and eloquence of the Qur’an is greater than the integrity of the speaker and his knowledge of the Qur’an

[@uniformityofnature1488]

I agree to an extent however having quickly gone through some hadiths and Sunnahs Christians and Jews were 2nd class citizens. Jews were treated badly and are constantly made to look like villains why?

[@PaulBrown-ty5kc]

One can only know the truth about any religion from real world history, not from the perspective of religious lectures.

[@richardjardeleza2289]

You right Fred, how there be a trinity when there is only One God

[@P.H.888]

Because HE is 3 persons and He can’t lie and has shown Himself to mankind 3 men appeared to Abraham! All 3 are YHVH. So either believe God & Abraham Or call God a liar!

[@love1nada1]

P Harrison the concept of the trinity came 100 years after Jesus the prophet of God. And who came up with it? Unknown people..and one Jewish guy who lied about everything (Paul).

[@gregoriysharapov1936]

@@P.H.888 Trinity is an invented concept. See Codex Sinaiticus, an old manuscript. You'll see there is no Comma Johanneum. quransmessage.com/articles/trinity%20FM3.htm

[@feduntu]

@@love1nada1 how can a g0d send down a book and not protect it from corruption? basically 40 different variants of the koran, not qiraats

[@angelarmstrong1363]

@@feduntu how is there 40 different variants? This is the first I’m hearing of this.

[@rahman21244]

Seems to be truthful and honest, non-biased presentation.

[@SoftSpeakin6]

@Al Mudarabah I'm afraid you're incorrect. Your judgement of levels in Islam is A BIG part of modern Islam interpretation. The professor is simply analyzing the Qur'an and is not wrong or said to have missed anything. He also conceded there's no historical evidence from the time of Muhammad. Your submission based on the Qur'an text is already modern Islam.

[@stephenmurphy1003]

@@SoftSpeakin6 You're wrong.

[@SoftSpeakin6]

@@stephenmurphy1003 and you're a Muslim 😋

[@lisaburnside2101]

Try listening to good scholarly sources such as Dan Gibson’s Sacred City, The Jay Show, Dr. Bill Warner-

[@kehana2908]

@@SoftSpeakin6 damn ok lmao

[@Joey-rp5vg]

Judaism, Christianity and Islam are different branches of the same tree. With Islam you must believe in Judaism and Christianity to be a muslim. Every time God, Allah seen man was straying from the path, god sent another messenger to bring man back. Is it so difficult for people to believe that all these 3 single god religions are extensions of each other? The most strange thing in this world is people!!!!!!!!!!

[@SudhirKumar-yk2ft]

Great scholar...clam and clear understanding on the topic

[@Elijah.19]

Benjamin Park he is a professor of Islam and near eastern studies. He is considered a orientalist scholar. I have his book that I used in seminary called narratives of Islamic origins. His profile in it calls him a scholar 🤔

[@inquisitivemind007]

This is more shocking kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqrKl42Ofayea5Y

[@ryanmatc]

What are your sources?

[@adissivro2386]

EMS 76 after 4 minutes I concluded it’s crap talk not academic lecture.

[@wkdravenna]

@@Robespierre-lI I looked up his name in my liebarry and all's I could find is about some party where it snowed and people ate each other.

[@inquisitivemind007]

Here are the sources kzbin.info/door/I42rxSfPRIyhgJQLcb3FGw

[@tlpcompany3688]

I have to correct the professor's mistake or maybe he didn't know at the time but there are written pieces of parchment from the time of the Prophet that are available you can look them up. About his companions, the scholars of the early times collected the biggest biography on more than 10 000 Companions of the prophet all authenticated through the science of narrators also created by the early scholars of Islam to know the difference between false narrations and authentic ones which is a deep subject and understandable if someone wouldn't know about it and partly because most of this is in Arabic. But most importantly we have the Hadiths which come in both weak narrations and strong (authentic) narrations and in between, which also is being preserved by the science of narrators (ilmul rijaal) and the science of hadith (ilmul hadith). We have clear records of the prophet about what he ate what he did how he sat how he spoke how he married who he married why he did certain things how he prayed how he acted etc ... . We know more about Muhammad SAW then all prophets combined and i would even go further and say we know more about him then all influential people combined

[@tlpcompany3688]

and he also said that those hadiths were written down a couple of hundred years after which to be honest is a hell of a mistake and one prominent Shaykh in the US talked about this named Uthman Ibn Farooq a scholar of hadith. There are in the first 60 years already written works like The Sahifa Of Hammam bin Munabbih and then The Musannaf of `Abd al-Razzaq al-San`ani: in the first century Hijrih Calendar and then the Muwatta of imam Malik at mid-second century and then the Musannaf of Ibn Jurayj and many more after that so it did not take a couple of hundred years.

[@tlpcompany3688]

and to suggest that we can't take Muslim sources for their religion is ridiculous because we would have no history because we take Greek History from the Greeks and the Roman history from the Romans and so on.

[@Merlinemryys]

Sound needs to be at least doubled.

[@michaelflynt6788]

From the evidenciary texts state the references used within the Koran are quite directly drawn from Judaic Talmud or verbal recitation of the rabbinical traditions.

[@sleeexs]

Truw

[@aminaaden2921]

No it isn't far from truth. Stop claiming everything Islamic and proof it with evidence which you can't!!!

[@abdouls2386]

its almost the complete opposite, the talmud was fully organized in the 11-1300's and jews in arabia adopted many islamic concepts especially the greatest jewish scholar/rabbi maimonides, the Quran is very unique and still held as the highest form of the arabic language, you can hear the very clear distinction from the Quran rhyming and following a clear pattern while the rabbical verbal recitations are just teachings recited

[@dbey8422]

How can it be the highest form of arabic when at the time of writing there wasn't a developed arabic writing system?@@abdouls2386

[@AllaahuAkbarr]

That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;- Quran 4 : 157-158 ....

[@RaimonTarou]

If you read all the comments here, its as if none of them bothered to watch the video. If not that, then their basically saying they know better than a historian with a PhD who is the director of the center for middle eastern studies at chicago university.

[@mohammadhooksit]

It only takes perseverance to get a PhD. There are a lot of quacks with doctorates. And yes I am sure there are folks on these threads with a better understanding of Islamic history than this fool.

[@Sphere723]

The worst part is he has spent years recovering, translating and documenting 7th century Arabic papyrus' which literally no other living person knows of.

[@Azukos]

Very interesting. Thanks a lot Mister Donner!

[@manmoun1962]

I met Fred Donner 13 years ago..I assure you that he is a great scholar..he speaks and reads Classical Arabic like no Arabist I have met...he knows his stuff.

[@TheMfbs17]

@L B bullshit

[@ihamdym8685]

His Arabic is so flawless

[@mohdnadzri5915]

I like to know the truth .. but did you all realise he keep on mentioning beutiful picture painted about Muhammad and keep us wondering .. this is what we call careful structured .. to find what are the bad thing about Muhammad (pbuh).. as a scholar he should give example of both cases bad picture and good picture so people can make analysis ..

[@MohamedAhmed-eg3mh]

He said that prophet Mohammad has the Quran in a noise but actually the Quran was revealed to him in many ways including the Angel coming to him

[@truthseeker10990]

If you read between the lines, and think carefully about the ends of the idea he is presenting, you would not be very happy about what he presents about Islam, is but my humble opinion.

[@sohailaislam2416]

Very few appreciate a lecture from a person who took the learning and took the trouble to do his best . It is quite clear that more intolerance exists than tolerance and understanding and good- will towards faiths other than one’s own .

[@johnwill8350]

Islam is pure intolerance

[@fhollhuber1622]

Excellent presentation. One weakness is the omission to consider the many fractions, theological debates and disagreement within the christians, and probably jews as well, at the time. E.g. monophytism as pointed out by Prof. Freedman in Yale, also available here.

[@hasen_judi]

His Arabic pronunciation is very good!

[@naser766]

At what minute did he speak Arabic?

[@mohammedubed7000]

@@naser766 some words like Amir ul momineen, hijra, and one ayat probably.

[@RaimonTarou]

You can tell reading most of the comments here that they didn't even bother watching the video.

[@erkanbolat]

Yeah because they’re not here in order to learn they’re here to fight.

[@timothybunnsr.5490]

I am confident as a Christian for being competent enough to follow this discussion through comparison and contrast and the depth of the subject required to listen here, as well other discussions and debates I am following.

[@inquisitivemind007]

This is more shocking kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqrKl42Ofayea5Y

[@MartinJames389]

1. Because people weren't operating in a literary culture, but one of oral tradition and recitation. 2. The Hadiths are alleged sayings which Muslims may choose to take or leave (unlike the Qur'an). Many prefer to leave many of them and simply say they don't agree with them.

[@jimagnew1643]

AI HAVE NOTICED WHEN THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO HERE THE SUBJECT, THEY TURN THE VOLUME DOWN WHERE YOU CAN'T HERE IT ON A SMART PHONE, I WISH PHONES HAD AMPLIFIERS, I HAVE MY PHONE IN A BIG CERAMIC BOWL, AND IT HELPS SOME.

[@atkgrl]

Hear

[@residentgrey]

There is no conspiracy. It is just how it happened to be, and it was later adjusted so there is nothing there but happenstance.

[@sginrummy88]

... just put some headphones on

[@naia1362]

You can turn up your volume or wear earphones lmao

[@allenstroud7064]

I hear a lot of people stating conflicting opinions about history. I won't bother giving my understanding of history. Do your own study and homework. FIND the truth!

[@MohamedAhmed-eg3mh]

The history of Islam is very known..Islam isn't Judaism or Christianity ..all conspiracy theories are crazy and false

[@MohamedAhmed-eg3mh]

Ibn ishak wrote a biography of the prophet 100 hundred years later..ibn ishak were born 74 years after the prophet's death ..ibn ishak biography has a lot of hadith which is a sacred text

[@MohamedAhmed-eg3mh]

@James Wright haha a christian is talking ..You believe in Moses while there is no historical evidence he ever existed or that there were Israelites in Egypt..the existence of Jesus is also very doubtful and alot of historians believed he's a myth ..the oldest manuscripts of the 4 gospels you use is back to the 4th century..we have manuscripts of the Quran which is back very shortly after the prophet's death pbuh

[@MohamedAhmed-eg3mh]

@James Wright Don't talk about datable history and archaeology when you're Christian..that's very embarrassing for you

[@yussufmwinyi4604]

1:52 there is an early historical recorded account from the ibadhi sect, who branched out of the mainstream first and it was by the prophet's companions. This was before 50yrs unlike the sources quoted relying on sunni traditions which came later

[@miriamsackler5002]

An Absolutely wonderful lecture !

[@JCResDoc94]

35:33 Pagans did not have a good time.

[@inquisitivemind007]

This is more shocking kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqrKl42Ofayea5Y

[@inquisitivemind007]

@Anas Siddiqui this will be the nail in the coffin brill.com/view/title/55138

[@meriadocbrandebouc]

The talk was surprisingly moderate and impartial, in comparison to the hateful, unintelligent comments here… (I really think KZbin shouldn't allow commentators below the age of, say, 22 ? ). I have only one remark to make. When he says Islam is a form of Monotheistic revival movement, in contra to the "traditional" understanding (ex : 28:00), that "traditional" view is only traditional in the Occident. It is only the traditional view of of what Europeans and Americans like to call the "West". Muslims have always seen Islam precisely as revival movement of the Abrahamic religions.

[@disguisedgenius5583]

Not clear or descriptive enough, and also some very essential issues are skipped.

[@attiylanen]

Well, if one wants to polish the tarnished shield of Islam, he has to be very vague and leave out links to any important sources. Taqiya level critical here. Makes me sick that there are people this dishonest in the world.

[@ДмитрийАверьянов-у4м]

comes as friend turns out your master

[@inquisitivemind007]

This is more shocking kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqrKl42Ofayea5Y

[@helenal3956]

Were there revelation transcripts from the beginning of Islam? Or were they vocally transmitted only?

[@buistebirisvar]

While prophet was alive reveleations were being written down. After his death quran was brought together as a book by the first governer ebu Bekir.. Reveleations he got from God were told him orally by holy spirit Gabriel.

[@helenal3956]

Bu iste bir is var how do you know? These first transcripts are lost are they not?

[@buistebirisvar]

@@helenal3956 the oldest quran we have today was supposed to be written 50, 70 years after prophets death. But historical fact is verses written on Woods, leathers etc become A book by ebu Bekir Just after prophets death.. Arabic doesnt have vowels.. 3rd governer uttman added vowels to quran so that the words cant be mixed to another one. 3 copies were prepared. More copies delivered to other countries. Before writing down quran People Who memorised it came together and wrote it during ebu Bekir time. Some say..memorizing.. No mistakes?? 40 men Who memorized came together and wrote down.

[@buistebirisvar]

@@helenal3956 kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKumf5tubph5ec0 www.oldest.org/religion/qurans/

[@helenal3956]

Bu iste bir is var thank you

[@rubbersole79]

Topic begins around 10:30 15:30 = Why we're watching this video.

[@fernforwood3989]

rubbersole Thank you! ‘Preciate ya!

[@inquisitivemind007]

This is more shocking kzbin.info/www/bejne/gqrKl42Ofayea5Y

[@jayola4119]

Sick explanation

[@pmm7268]

Challenging islam is not degradation of Muslims. Muslims are humans, Islam is a dogma. Islam is a phobic dogma, challenging it is not a phobia.

[@mikecruise9310]

1.9 billion people believe in prophet Muhammad message because direct he got it from God Quran job of one man prophet Muhammad nobody’s going to come to the earth to come with a book like that this book (Quran)direct from creator God

[@WMedl]

Do you play poker? If so, then 2,4 billions are christians, a religion about 600 years older than Islam from which Mohammed derived a lot of stuff. Not forgetting the more more older religion of Judaism from which both religions are derived. And more than one billion of Hindus.... But the orime religions are Apple, Android, Facebook , TikTok...

[@khal2568]

Roses Of Time In the bible (the 1st john chapter 4-v1) it gives a test on how to know a true prophet from a false prophet. it says "1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God" Now spirit and prophet are been used synonymously in this verse… and based on your bible Muhammed is a true prophet because he makes more than one billion people to believe in jesus Christ… in fact, there is a whole chapter in the quran called "marry" and Jesus is mentioned in the quran 500% times more than Muhammad. Why is he not a true prophet of God? Now with regards that prophet Muhammed spread his religion with a sword.. Thomas Carlayle says: "The sword indeed: but where will you get your sword! Every new opinion, at its starting, is precisely in a minority of one. In one man's head alone, there it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it; there is one man against all men. That he take a sword, and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must first get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can." and the Quran also says: "Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance."

[@eclipsesolar8345]

islam is a joke taken to far.

[@P.H.888]

Islam basically calls Jesus & The Father liars! Then gives a completely different message I Trust The Father Son & Holy Spirit ✝️🕊

[@mamamarianovits9029]

The Jesus of the bible is not the "Isa/Issa" of the qur'an. Furthermore, should you wish to know who Jesus is, since he is claimed to be loved of my muslims, find out who he was from those who knew him, lived with him, learned from him, rather than those who lived multiple hundreds of years after him.

[@mamamarianovits9029]

@zino mami I have no interest in lessons from one who's basic understanding of the scriptures is flawed. Furthermore, when one has displayed the ignorance level as you have, they ought not go around professing the ability to tie their own shoes, let alone the ability to teach on the subject of theology... the arrogance is stupefying.

[@edwardrussell7168]

Though he is neutral in his talk.. however if anyone wishes to read about the Quranic Islam then pl read the book What is Islam? By G A Parwez. The Quran is not a book of religion, it is about the development of the human self with a view to understand the higher purpose of life based on Deen as a system. The Law of Requital works in human life as noted in 45:22. The hereafter exists as a reality and the concept of Allah is based on evidence.

[@mohammedaminetaibi4122]

Very good analysis and impressive Arabic pronounciation. However, I think you put so much emphasis on the distinction between a believer and a muslim. In Arabic the two words may be used as synonyms sometimes, but according to a prophetic tradition, it has been explained that a Muslim's relation to God starts by becoming a Muslim, which essentially consists of obeying the commandments of the Five Pillars of Islam. Next comes "Iman", believing, which is the next step in a Muslim's approaching to God's favor. The concept consists of believing in the existence of God, his angels, his holy books, his prophets, the Latter Day and finally in the existence of fate. The last step is called "Ihsan" I don"t know how to translate this one to English, but I'll try to explain it here. Ihsan is the highest level of faith that a Muslim could strive for, it essentially means worshipping God as if one were sure that He sees their every move. The notion of Ihsan is a little troubeling because it challenges Muslims' belief in God's omnipresence. The perfect Muslim is supposed to remember God in each and every moment of thei lives, that's why if you ever get to meet a really devout Muslim you'd find them repeating mantras (oral prayers) specific to every action they make during the day. There are mantras for when you wake up, when you bath, before you eat, after you eat, while you eat in case you forgot to say it at the beginning, when you go out, when you come back home etc...

[@zahramahde2096]

🙏🌺 It's good to be musl8 God Bless you إحسان

[@wantanamera]

Hardcore

[@greenlimabean]

Thank you. Can they say original mantras. ?

[@mohammedaminetaibi4122]

@@greenlimabean There are many examples. What I called mantras are generally prayers (Dua'a), but they need to be distinguished from the act of praying "Salat" which is ritual repeated at least 5 times a day by all Muslims. The Dua'a prayers are memorized citations, the work like Christian prayers, I called them mantras because the word "prayer" has 2 different translations in Arabic. Examples of these prayers or mantras are numerous. Before eating or drinking, one is supposed to say "Bismillah - In the Name of God". After eating Muslims are supposed to say "Alhamdulillah - Praise be to God". When waking up, there are collections of prayers and mantras called "Azkaru Sabah - Citations of the Morning"that Muslims memorize and speak them to themselves every morning. These are some minor examples.

[@amans51054]

Didn't watch the whole thing.. I am not muslim or Christian But I feel any religion that says "this faith is the only way" is gonna have issues. Christian killed non Christian in name of Christ by calling them witches or pagans or whatever Muslims killed in name of Allah by calling them "kafirs" non believer. Both religion did this to increase the numbers Outsider looking in.. both faith look like cousin religion to me..

[@drzakir123]

what about the suhdras and untouchables of Hinduism.about 200 million of these ppl living lives worse than animal.

[@amans51054]

drzakir123 what about em this video didn't talk about them.. but what you say is not wrong that should be changed/not right..

[@RonJohn63]

Aman S /both faith look like cousin religion to me../ Because... they *are* cousin religions. I think Dr. Donner even used that exact word.

[@boshirmh007]

Aman S judaism,christianity and islam are 3 siblings. did you not hear the scholor. you are saying all this because you did not watch the whole video. because of your arrogance, you will remain ignorant for life.

[@carolineleiden]

Aman S Christians killed eachother, yes. But that was hundreds of years ago. We kind of learned since then that was not the best way to handle our differences. In Islam, Sunni are killing Shia and vice versa (and some jews and christians) as we speak. That is the big difference. Christians and muslims are not "just as bad". Very few witches are being burned on Vatican Square these days, but ISIS is actually crucifying people on a daily basis. Not to mention the burning and beheading they so seem to enjoy.

[@rukk_tx5285]

The "believers" movement theory is highly speculative but the late shift to Islam is obvious, given the sources available.

[@Iammram]

He's misunderstanding because it's going to say Oh you who believe because it's talking to the people of those who believe in 1 God, etc. It's not going to say Oh you Muslims because it's speaking to the audience that are not all Muslim to get them to understand first before stating it as Islam.

[@psychopeoples4384]

I just finished one of his books, then search youtube to know about him more. He is undoubtedly a very good scholar and writer. As a Muslim, I appreciate his research. Thanks a lot for your hard work. I bilive Islam and the Qur'an are certainly not just for Muslims it is the latest revolution from God has sent for all believers and every human beings.

[@uniformityofnature1488]

There have been other religions after Islam so to say Islam is the latest revelation from God is a false narrative

[@psychopeoples4384]

@@uniformityofnature1488 Yes, but it is possible to prove that they are all man-made. Islam acknowledges previous revolutions and says that this is the last revolution for everyone . Islam was sent by God and it is the only holey book that perfectly preserved, it has chain of narration, there is no possibility of being wrong here. No other religion can claim and proved that those r not corrupted by time.

[@uniformityofnature1488]

@@psychopeoples4384 Yes according to the standard Islamic narrative that is the case. How do you know it is divine is it because it says so? You know Muslims are the only one that talk about their holy text being persevered and somehow conclude it is the best? For starters Christians and Jews don’t believe their holy books were sent by “God” they acknowledge they are historical sources of events following a particular bloodline of people you could say. The only thing Christians believe that was sent by “God” is Jesus and Jews are yet to receive their gift from “God”. So with the whole book preservation “argument” Muslims are punching the air unfortunately. It doesn’t make sense to me, in no other Jewish or Christian scripture was there ever promise of a whole document such as a Quran, was there ever such a promise? Just because a book is preserved doesn’t mean content is coherent with history, it just means it’s unchanged. I can argue that religion institutions are man made and a product of shifting cultural paradigms and external influences. can’t faith in “God” can be attained through individual reflection and action? I’ve read the Quran and the Bible. Abraham rationally(logically) comes to the conclusion there must be only one source “God”. Does he then make a religion out of it or did that occur over time as a result of human clan mentality? Same with Jesus he literally only comes to educate and warn people of the “religious institutions” he doesn’t introduce a new religion that all happened after his death. Another example is Hinduism a term used by Persians to describe people living beyond the Indus. The British too adopted this term these are all human constructs because people are tribal. Outside “religion” we have nazis, feminists, conservatives, liberals least goes on why is religion and expectation? Shouldn’t we me talking about what values we ought to hold regardless because that is what God represents at the end of the day “values” you cannot personify something that is almighty and not human it’s condemning but it’s the best we can do I get. Why are we talking about social category categorisation? Philosophers and thinkers have been logically coming to the conclusion about morality and science and one God independent of religion. Abraham, Jesus did philosophy just as Socrates and Zarathustra did during different times and at different nations. Islam(Sunni) is only special in the sense it is cultural Arab with Persian influence and maybe of others that came before it. It was specifically narrated to a geopolitical area of the world which had no idea of a monotheistic “God”. The bestowal from on high of this divine writ issues, beyond any doubt, from the Sustainer of all the worlds: and yet, they [who are bent on denying the truth] assert, “[Muhammad] has invented it!” Nay, but it is the truth from thy Sustainer, enabling thee to warn [this] people to whom no warner has come before thee, so that they might follow the right path. 36:2-3 “ to warn this people to warn people to whom no Warner’s have come before thee, so they might follow the right path” The Quran was specifically revealed in Arabic yes? In a particular nations of the world that had yet been susceptive to the idea of monotheism. The were not Arabs yes? Nor were the Hebrews, nor were the Romans/Byzantines all these groups had already been exposed to monotheistism. I believe Muhammad wasn’t the first prophet to be sent The Arabian Peninsula had prophets as well like prophet Salih Lo! We sent unto them two [apostles], and. they gave the lie to both; and so We strengthened [the two] with a third; and thereupon they said: “Behold, we have been sent unto you [by God]!”

[@psychopeoples4384]

@@uniformityofnature1488 tldr

[@uniformityofnature1488]

@@psychopeoples4384 🤷‍♂️not my problem

[@serano5023]

Yes, a new look to the beginning is needed

[@miriamsackler5002]

Abdullah Al-Selwi I am a non-practising New York Jew married to a devout Episcopalian Irish man. We just visited the Umayyad Mosque in Damascus. What a magnificent building! What I’ve found remarkable is that the Shrine of Nabi Yahya bin Zakarya (St. John the Baptist), has been given a special place inside the Sanctuary of the mosque. John, my husband, not the Prophet, has been very proud ever since that he got the chance to visit the shrine dedicated to the eponymous of his namesake, in a Muslim country of all places, far away from his parents’ native Ireland.

[@abdulrehman-md1nx]

@@miriamsackler5002 yahya a.s ,moses a.s jesus a.s ,mohammed s.a.w etc are all prophets and are being respected equally

[@malawigw]

why? It is all made up bullshit anyway

[@kennethwhite8045]

Professor, the Quran is quite clear about who the believers are. The only way your (the professors) argument can hold water is if he is claiming that the Quran came (as he said) around the year 700, which is the time he claims the shift took place from 'believer' to 'Muslim.... and I didn't hear him say that. Therefore, if in it's early days, Christians and Jews were considered 'believers,' by deduction they would have had to believe that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) was a Prophet of God, and would therefore have been Unitarian Christians, who, therefore, did not believe Jesus (PBUH) to be a god or the son of God.

[@jedadruled984]

Muhammed was a criminal

[@kennethwhite8045]

***** Go troll somebody else.

[@jedadruled984]

Kenneth White ok bye

[@UnknownUnknown-bq1be]

Believer is an interchangeable term for a Muslim, because a believer is someone who believes in God while a Muslim is a person who submits to the will of God. Further, to believe in God is to experience selfrealization...

[@kennethwhite8045]

I agree brother, however, my comment was on the professor claim about the shift, around the year 700 AD, from believe to Muslim. What are your thought on the professors position on this point?

[@kakahass]

So Islam is a fine tuning of the previous religions rather than a separate endeavor

[@salmykhan9319]

Ppl change scriptures according to their desires islam is the last nd correct narration of all religions specially abrahami

[@abdulrehman-md1nx]

OMER SERIES is made in which all battles with persian and roman empires are covered .quality is no less than hollywood .consists of 30 episodes

[@britcom1]

It's not true to say that Christians and Moslems worship the same god just because the word "Allah" means god. (7:01 mins.) The God of the Bible has a name "יהוה" (YHWH) often translated as Yahweh or Jehovah. This is a personal name for God and Bible translators often omit the personal name of God in Bible texts out of respect even though this name does in fact appear in the original manuscripts. Christians often call God "God", but it is not correct to say that "God" is His name. That is His title. The God of the Bible, and the god of the Koran are different in many conflicting ways so the idea that both religions worship the same god is irreconcilable. Just because a religion is monotheistic does not mean that all monotheistic religions worship the same god.

[@suzannehawes4168]

I have heard Allah and YHWH are not the same. Allah being the moon God hence the moon on their mosques and flags. Allu Akbar actually means "our God is Greater"...so why does the world insist they are the same god.

[@daverandle3575]

You want to be blind, at least put some dark shades on

[@fazisee3146]

I like Islam whatever haters say...

[@uniformityofnature1488]

lol kill the infidels take what your right hand has. Hate Jews, women have half the intelligence of men, throw gays of tall buildings, kill someone if they leave Islam, stone a woman to death for adultery, child marriage, placing Christians/Jews 2nd class citizens. You’re right what is there not to love. Historically differs from secular and other Abrahamic sources e.g. claiming Abraham was Muslim and he built the kabba etc etc

[@trinitymatrix9719]

allah is the greatest deceiver ever was. so sad to see so many deceived, not willing to look at the origins. God bless us all...

[@easterlinear]

Yeah Islam is nice

[@trinitymatrix9719]

I like iSlam Dunk too, the new NBA game from EA. Too bad it was Xbox exclusive though....God bless...

[@MaverickSeventySeven]

So you approve of pedophilia?

[@Vebinz]

he is putting forward a thesis based on interpretations of early evidence. That's what historians do, you know. Or how did you think all that knowledge in history books came about if not through the same process.

[@ambassadorkees]

Well, his thesis about "same God" and "only one set of equal believers" is dismantled by his very source. Qur'an Sura 9:29 and 98:6 should be enough, but there is much, much more. corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=98&verse=6

[@zorizad7951]

@@ambassadorkees there are too many nonsense in this video.

[@sohaibelazzouzi6553]

@Azazel Nicholas fyi, what is left from jews in north Africa when they are praying in arabic they pray to Allah (i am speaking about small, routine prayers like may Allah help you or may Allah be with u etc.) Also, in Egypt where 10% of the population is Christian, Christians also use the same prayers : may Allah help you and may Allah cure u etc. I am Muslim, i dont agree with all this professor said, and i didnt like the last 2 min or so when he started speaking about what muslims should or shouldnt do ... but it was quite an interesting lecture and it actually opened my mind toward new interpretation of our own tradition. Salam

[@anthonypalo8191]

@@sohaibelazzouzi6553 Allah is a Proper noun, the specific name of your God Allah, allah with the small a is a common arabic noun meaning god.. this is what egyptian Christians you say are referring to. early muslims necause they are arabic just used the term allah and made it the specific name for their(your) god. if they(Christians) used another language (not arabic) it would be clear they are praying to God and not Allah. this is basic.

[@inquisitivemind007]

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[@FarouqJr-w7g]

I would like to see a debate between Dr. Donner and Paul Freedman regarding his videos on Islam at Yale.

[@allenstroud7064]

Muhammad was not a devout religious man until he reached adulthood. He was a businessman, married to an already rich woman. Muhammad's business dealings in commerce (trade caravans) required regular contact with Christians and Jews. I suspect that influence eventually moved Muhammad's religious "world-views" away from the pantheistic religions in Mecca at the time, which was the accepted worship of 59 or so different gods; a likely carry-over from Greek pantheistic mythologies. A cursory study of Islam and the Qur'an reveals "high-jacked" components from both religions. i.e.: (1.) A monotheistic, Creator God that rewards and punishes. (2.) Jesus is spoken of very highly as a prophet, and Muslims are taught to love Jesus; but only as a prophet and messenger (primarily to the Jews). (3.) Muhammad is greater that Jesus. It is impossible to know how well the Quran expresses Muhammad's original teachings, because He died many years before the Qura'n was compiled. Muhammed was born in 570 CE. He received his first "vision" in 610 CE. He led military revolts prior to the Higira in 622 CE. He died in 632 CE at age 62 and left no clear instructions to or about his successor. His Uncle was the first to take leadership of the people. After that, it was left to military leaders to build the empire of Islam, and it was always politically motivated by the quest for power. In that day, and today still, the core tenets of Islam do not serve the muslim people. Islam, and now ISIS, serve only an elite class of men in power. It has always been that way. ISIS is merely the logical, continuing approach to progression of that process. Muslims in the middle and lower class fall victim to political extremism and ISIS; just as the American middle and lower classes of citizenry fall victim to the U.S. political machine in control at this time in America. But the "Times Are Changing", and the sleeping GIANT in AMERICA is about to awaken.

[@lionabbass]

+Allen Stroud you are a wrongly informed non muslim about Islam. whatever your religion you are no historian of Islam and 2 or points from your post illustrate your ignorance; no evidence from Islam that the noble prophet [sa] was influenced by jewish and christians of his few caravan expedition before prophet-hood. just blanketed statement without proof[s] is laughable and definitely a very weak effort on your part. the prophet [sa] obviously did not imitate the christians or the jews and the Quran is clearly expressive in its own unique tenets and neither the jews not the christians can say that Adam [as] served God in their religion or that the way they take God is the way Islam does [Jews say God is exclusive to them because of their blood while Chistians say God is in three parts yet single when it will be impossible to imagine the Image of the 3 when 1]. no uncle of the prophet [sa] was his successor. the core tenets of Islam serve muslims community members, even beyond because in reality Islam is an 'advise', restricting sincere muslims against evil while encouraging him/her to do good and at the same time inviting as messenger of the "messenger of God' the non muslims to iIslam and living life worthy of emulation through God consciousness. ISIS and the like do not represent true Islam but evil doers pretending to be flag bearer of Islam. in fact they are what we call khawarij.

[@allenstroud7064]

+Abbass Hamzah "laughable and definitely a very weak effort on my part". ...That's a pretty strong position you have taken. Everything I have learned about the Quran, and Muslims, is taken from the same sources available to the entire world. Do you question any of the following statements: (1.) Muhammad was born in AD 570, (2.) At age 40, in AD 610, Muhammad received his first "vision"; and I am unaware of any witnesses to that event. (3.) At that time in history, only Judaism and Christianity presented the idea of a "single God - creator". The Arab world was generally Pantheistic until Muhammad adopted a monotheistic ideology, (That was his greatest contribution). (4.) Then from AD 622, (after the Hegira), Muhammad "force-fed" his ideology to his neighboring Arab tribes until his death in AD 632. (That was not a good thing), (5.) The "physical" Quran you have today did not exist until after Muhammad's death. (6.) Mumammad did not designate a Successor (Caliph). He had no sons, only daughters, and the question of a legitimate "bloodline" successor quickly became a serious division, or issue, which remains in effect today. (7.) Judaism's ruling authority was bloodline related, much as Islam claims to be today. If you would study the Jewish religion, you would learn that God made an agreement with Abraham 2600 years before Islam was conceived by Muhammad in AD 610. (And the Jewish religion possesses ancient documents to support that claim). If you are a Muslim. I would like to ask you this question: How do Muslims know anything about Abraham? This is not a trick question, but I know of only three ways in which any Muslim can gain access to historical knowledge about Abraham. (four ways if you count any divine intervention by the God of Abraham, outside that of Muhammad's claims). If interested, I will present them all to you. I have read the Quran (English version), but I do not read Arabic. What English version of the Quran should I be reading, if I want to understand true Islam. I don't understand Arabic. And lastly, how would you translate your word, "khawarij" into English ? Is "Malay" accurate?

[@lionabbass]

+Allen Stroud so who was a witness to when Moses [as] heard the voice of God through the burning bush or when angel Gabriel appeared to Mary? the one who experienced it related the story. Moses related his experience. Mary elated her experience. Muhammad [sa] related his. incidentally, Moses when alone, leaving his wife behind. Muhammad [sa] did exactly that. if you didn't complain about Moses event, why are you questioning Muhammad's experience or did the God Almighty Who has the Absolute Right to appoint His Elect told you any child of Israel no prophet will eve come from the other branch of the house of Ibrahim [as]? is it your argument that monotheistic concept began with the children of Israel and do you know the first child or children of Israel and who was Israel? before Israel the father of children of Israel, could you tell me if 'single God Creator' was never known among mankind? i wonder if you think Adam [as] the first man who God says He created with His Own Hands was not aware of sing God Creator that all worship and obedience belong to? why do you think the people were perished with the rain that fell in the time of prophet Noah [as] except that they worshiped idols satan agitated them to make after pious men that passed generations before? how about the faith of Ibrahim who came long before the grandfather of the children of Israel, if it was not a single God Creator? i wonder why you think he is nicknamed '"'the father of 'faith''?" even the children in spite of the many miracles, the mere prolonged absent of Moses, they began to worship idol. do you know the name they call that their idolatry God because they must have given it a proper name if they went to far to fashion it with expensive metal? maybe they called it Yahweh. no, then you have to prove this since Yahweh is the Name they worshiped before they became idolaters. every society believe there is a single God Creator. arabs might have been pagans, they were aware of this fact and that their father Ibrahim [as] used to believe in Unseen single God Creator which they never forgot even in their pantheism. you can tell me that arabs stated out as pagans, if Ismail [as] their father was never an idolater because as first child of Ibrahim [as], experiencing the circumcision with his father, it will be natural that he had a 14 year monotheistic lecture before he left [we do not believe that the command of sarah got him out of the family. i am a father, and there is no wife worth it that i get rid of my son and God is not evil to deprive son the love of father because of evil stepmother].

[@lionabbass]

+Allen Stroud force feeding? how do you come to that if he [as] arrived in Madina and formed a union of 3 communities where in some situation like defense of the city against foreign invasion they act as one and in other situation like religious laws and ruling, the jews had theirs different from the muslims. maybe you should be more honest because at the end of the day the audience will know about you. if the holy prophet [sa] did not force the jews in Madina or the pagans in this city, does it make sense that his focus is to force the far away pagan tribes when it will be more efficient to start from the ones in front of him [sa]? to support my argument here which will weaken your statement the more is that no action was taken against the jews except after they disrespect a muslim woman and killed the muslim man that came to he aid. maakan pagans brought the war to Badr in the second year of Hijra in the month of ramadhan. if in court of law, the one that traveled longer distance will be declared the aggressor. and the maakans were clearly that. i doubt if you knew that he [sa] while was in Makka before Hijra went to Taif, seeking asylum or support, the very tribe that was part of battle of Hunain, upon victory of Makkah. did he [sa] force feed them so much so that they came with others to fight him just outside of Valley of Makkah? there is nothing called 'physical Quran' by anyone with true knowledge of what Muslims call Quran. Quran is 'word sounded out, in recitation'. you may mean musaf. Musaf is not Quran, though it is the written down Quran. i don't have to have 'physical Quran' to be able to recite. the prophet [sa] did not have physical Quran and he [sa] Quran recited. alphabets, words are developed in every language and arabic is not an exception, get each society has communication in their language prior to developing the alphabets. no one eve wrote except that he vocalized silently or audibly first. the 2nd verse of chapter 2 says that the Quran is Kitab before the death of the prophet [sa] and i dont know what your point is here. God Almighty Allah does what He determines to do. so the prophet [sa] not appointing a successor in spite of commanding Abu Bakr [ra] to lead the salat even when Umar [ra] already began it and demanding that all doors from houses leading directly be sealed except that of Abu Bakr [ra], the smooth transition from caliph to the next until the 4th that was Ali bin Abitalib [ra] took place. that by itself is a miracle because Ali [ra] was not a shy man and will not be silent to let evil take place in from of him 3 times without speaking out and still kept quite when they were all dead and gone. every act is by providence especially when it affects the musli ummah.

[@lionabbass]

+Allen Stroud Islam is not a bloodline thing. you have to independently accept it or you are not better than those following family tradition. the shia are against what Ali [ra] and his family stood for; Umar [ra] married the daughter of the very same Ali [ra] in his lifetime. family of the prophet [sa] as a whole continued to give their daughters to the sons of Uthman [ra]. the families of Umar and Abu Bakr [ra] continued to give their daughters to the sons of the family of the prophet [sa]. finally, the prophet [sa] had 2 sons and he was fondly nicked "Abu Kassim". you might might meant that no son survived him [sa]. but not but 1 daughter survived him [sa] and she was the first to die, mere six months after him [sa]. if you went to the family history because of shia situation, my response above is sufficient i hope showing the shia has no foot to stand on the position he takes which is different from the position of Ali and his family about Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman [ra] whose families they continued to intermarry with and indeed named their sons and daughters after the events they get stuck on. i know about judaism and i hangout with rabbis in new york city. i go to their sedah. remember i have not said my attorneys. no jew worth the name can say Islam is not monotheistic or when we say it is the religion of Adam [as], Noah [as] his heirs after him, etc [since you have no clue about prophets Hud and Salih] before Ibrahim, definitely the religion of Ibrahim [as] will say no, they practiced judaism or no, they didn't have a common religion. remember that bloodline is not a religion but a tradition and nowhere or no time did God say to any prophet [as] that bloodline or tradition of judaism is the religion He commanded on Moses [as[ or earlier or later prophet [as]. if you know where judaism is declared by God as religion from Him, quote it and let the whole world know. you already know about Islam because in chapter 5 verse 3 Allah The Almighty says on the day of Arafat in the Hajj of the Prophet [sa] that Islam is chosen as the religion to follow. before anything jewish or their forebear, Ismail [as] the only son of Ibrahim [as] was with him when the covenant was made]. it is natural to say if God didnt have reason to reject Ismail [as] before the birth of other children and God didnt say don't circumcise him along with you, oh Ibrahim [as], then there is no reason to develop an awkward idea like the one jews strewn together raising the younger Isiaq [as] over his persevering brother. if it is Ibrahim [as] that God made agreement with, what role has sarah on the matter to the extend that she forced God and His Friend Ibrahim [as] to do what even you a fake believer will not do to your son. how is that a thing honorable when God never is unjust? i submit to you that the concept of slaughter of Isaac is a false concept for many reason, including some from the bible considering that the boss lady should not have let her son out of her sight and will throw Ishmael under the bus without a second thought. remember Jeremiah saying the OT is corrupt?

[@alexwilson9726]

The doctrine of the trinity is not the same thing as "3 Gods". I have my own opinion on the trinity but even under traditional and fundamentalist Christian theology the doctrine of the trinity is not "3 Gods"

[@bowilliam3865]

God has no partners. Or children. He is a above such things

[@jamesi2018]

the biggest problem with christianity is that it cuts out the need for god, this is only because the christian bible is witten by a satanic cult, search for the red shoe club, the christian church is designed to make you an unbeliever

[@samuelmorales2344]

3 gods sounds like tritheism which was a Christian heresy but not orthodox Christianity or the Melkites. Muslims don't understand the Quran. It gives very little context and abruptly changes subject without any warning.

[@HKashaf]

Unfortunately there are some inconsistencies in this lecture. Quran does mention muslimeens atleast 11 times and Mo'meenoons 22 times but is also refer to Muslims as Sadeeqeens 31 times, muhseeneens also 31 times. Yes, it is interchangeable, not by mening but how it is used. Quran from it early days till now have seperate status for Christians and Jews, people of the book. That didnt change later on, it was there from pretty early days. Unfortunately, you cannot understand Quran or hadith without reading usool-quran, usool-tadseer and usool-hadith, otherwise all you will think is that it is full of inconsistencies. It is not like that bible where you can just pick it up and start reading it. I am pretty confident it will not make any sense. Anyone who says that it does, is lying.

[@Alfie1970Waterhouse]

Wow! Inconsistency in this lecture.

[@abusalah4914]

The Quran has a clear verse that is not subject to any scholarly review or interpretation regardless whether those who read it are Moderates, or extremists that defines the guidelines or framework for Muslims dealing with other non Muslims community. It says for those non Muslims who did not engage in military aggression ( picked arms to fight you), did not expell you from your homes, did not aid other in such aggression, you (the Muslims) must not only treat them with equity and fairness, but be extra kind. I used the word extra because Allah used a term called " Birr" in Arabic that term is heavily emphasized in how a person how to treat his or her parents. That verse is in chapter 60 verse 7. All others verses that spoke of harnessing the military efforts to be aggressive and do fight has a historical context to them. You ought to remember that Muslims during Muhammad's era were subjected to numerous attacks, at more than one occasion they nearly became extinct.

[@Joezeph592]

The early Arabs had an Oral culture; they would memorize facts and not write it down. So it's understandable that one would not find early records of the Quran; which was kept in the mind and hearts of man.

[@m1nty99]

Chinese whispers, or in this case, Arabic whispers

[@lotfibouhedjeur9897]

The early Arabs may've not been keen on writing but what about all the learned cities and communities around them? How come something allegedly so spectacular went unnoticed by all these neighbors for two centuries?

[@triggerwarning2982]

Yet you say the Bible is untrustworthy? C’mon now. Doesn’t the Quran say something about judging with even scales?

[@lotfibouhedjeur9897]

@@triggerwarning2982 Both the Quran and the Bible suck at equal measure from a historical perspective.

[@lotfibouhedjeur9897]

@Miss O’Genist Yet a documentary desert that spans two centuries after the death of the prophet...

[@faroukhbhandara4511]

The earliest Quran is dated 832 AD. It is in Tashkent. There are no earlier documents, if there were any, simply do not exist. So we have no choice bu to believe that the Qurandeveloped over many years after Muhammad died, assuming that there was a Muhammad which again is questionable.

[@kennorton1478]

I suppose this guy's second language is Arabic as his pronunciation of Arabic words is perfect which is very rare among westerners. Yes I am an Arabic person.

[@yeshuaweha1862]

He study Arabic at the Middle East Centre for Arab Studies (MECAS) in the village of Shimlan, Lebanon.

[@kehana2908]

i think second language is a bit of a stretch, but he's surely studied it. i speak urdu and am muslim, and I've been told i have really good pronunciation, but i can only very vaguely understand it.

[@Alfie1970Waterhouse]

@@kehana2908depends who told you you had really good pronunciation.

[@AllaahuAkbarr]

Bismillah Hir rahman nir raheem Always begin your day with Fajr prayer and Ayat AL KURSI. READ QURAN EVERYDAY AND NEVER IGNORE YOUR FIVE DAILY PRAYERS

[@MutazAlhami]

minute 21:21 The speaker confuses the Islamic state and its laws that protect Jews and Christians with Islam as a religion and faith. The speaker is very poor in information and did not bother to research

[@thermionic1234567]

I’m more interested in how Islam will be ended.

[@SaddamHussain-we9ec]

it won't dear.

[@wkdravenna]

@@SaddamHussain-we9ec it's probably going to die in a hole in the desert and not be missed much.

[@SaddamHussain-we9ec]

@@wkdravenna we will see.

[@Realliberal]

It will become the Islamocrat party and we are stuck with it forever.

[@thermionic1234567]

FPV Red Tail 274 million people killed in the name of the Paedophile Prophet. Women forced to wear garbage bags. Suicide bombers. Hatred of dogs and music...

[@gregb6469]

That he thinks Allah is the same deity as the God of the Bible shows that he doesn't have a clue!

[@bygrace24]

I agree. He doesn't understand the nature of God as opposed to the nature of allah. Two very different sources.

[@buistebirisvar]

According to islam in quran god says, i dont have A son. I am not born or give birth. Ones Who Say that is doing A big sin. I dont look Like anything you can assume.. Some say scientific miracles in quran is all wrong and put links.(while lots of People n scientists convert to islam when they see those verses) Instead of watching those silly videos, read quran and see.. Mostly they take one verse out and give it wrong meaning. And they read as it is, word by word, dont try to catch what it means, they look what it writes in a metarialistic way. For example "we put curtains between waters and they dont mix" A stupid says look here is two waters, stiring, u see they r mixed" but today we know that there are cold and Hot water streams in oceans and they dont mix even the sea too, if so there cant be different salt rates and temperature differences that much.. Read n judge. Dont believe everything. Allahsquran.com

[@bellycurious]

Well... Why in the Quran Moses and Jesus are mentioned more than once? God of the Quran even states that he hadn't a son... You lie.

[@tydiab8838]

Excuse me? The people of the land of the Bible are 89% Muslim, 8 % Christian, 3% Jewish, and yes they all believe in the God of Noah and Abraham, and all 3 refer to God as Allah, means the one and only God, ella is just the word for God, you're obviously not a history teacher..

[@tydiab8838]

To think the 1st born children of Abraham ( don't believe in his God, is as foolish as saying Children of Pilgrims to Plymouth rock aren't Americans. The first always believe longer!!!!!

[@mohamed_saleh]

Complete non sense , this man makes wrong assumptions based on nothing then build on top of it he doesnt trust islamic sources at all so he just improvising from day one and in quran and Islam dont consider Christianity and Judaism as true religions , it is very clear , i think , to know any group of people , look in their books , judge it , then you can discuss , but denying everything like this , is not logic

[@ClemensReinkeProductions]

Excellent! One question: Donner mentions archaeological evidence of old churches featuring both an apse toward the East used for Christian worship, and a prayer niche in the South wall for Muslims to prayer toward their holy city. I wonder if Donner is familiar with Dan Gibson research that seems to show that the early believers did not pray to Mecca but with high degree of likelihood toward Petra. Gibson even proposes that Muhammad and the early believers started in Petra, not Mecca. I wonder what Donner thinks about Gibson’s research?

[@williammcintyre1054]

They are now finding that what is considered Mecca today is probably not the true site of Mecca

[@hamza.r4319]

The quran and the hadiths says that he started at mecca, also it was 14 hundred years ago when they built these mosques if so as you say that there are some mosques werent pointing to Jerusalem then it would be because they didnt have that good geographicalism or anything like that, And some mosques acually point to Jerusalem but they also cross Petra and thats somehow irrelavent, another thing is acually the trading problem that people always point out, There are quit alot of proofs that exists in other places such as old Emirates cities or other cities that exists even further down to yemen or oman, But as we say that mecca was a holy place that guides tgousand sof people there which means it was a larg trading centre, also not to forget that his grave, mosque and his house were at mecca or madina also there is also nearly all the places that were mintioned about muhammad and where he is were in mecca or madina, Sorry of there is any gramatical or spelling mistakes english isnt my first language and thank you, Good bye ,salam!

[@syedmammar1]

Outstanding analysis!!

[@inquisitivemind007]

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[@reelralkcentral]

If you study Islam it's easy to understand its success and rapid growth the key factors that contributed were 1. The authoritative nature helped rulers to keep an iron hand on their followers. 2. There was no way of opposing the religion which could mean the death penalty. 3. You cannot go out of Islam it's a shirk. 4. There was no room for debate in Islam, unlike other religions. 5. The disrespect to women in Islam also helped it to spread faster. Any ruler or rich person could have any number of wives and children. 6. The state was an army within, once a state was conquered it was easy to kill people of other faith and take over the state on religious sentiments. 7. Great examples of these could be seen in the modern world were in Islamic countries the no of minorities have sharply gone down over the years. 8. Islam is a very political religion.

[@ozygote]

You're a dumbass. Ignorants like you always have an answer which irregardless of how flawed it is you stick to it just because it originated as you chased a flawed belief

[@reelralkcentral]

​@@ozygote the way you speak itself shows your ignorance and disbelief. when people do not have anything on their side the best way is to curse others and kill them.

[@reelralkcentral]

@@ozygote you are 1000 years behind so for you to understand History and modern-day science becomes very difficult. And I bet you cannot even refute any of my points.

[@ozygote]

@@reelralkcentral says the guy who's probably a white nationalist

[@mohammedubed7000]

@@reelralkcentral your points are already not backed by any proof. They are already refuted if you struggle to read Qur'an. But disbelievers like you probably search on google typing "ways to defeat muslims' arguments". If you would have read hadiths and Quran you wouldn't even make this stupid statement.

[@TahaWasiq]

Only ten years later since this lecture, we do have rock inscription from the times of prophet's companions, and Fred Donner's own student Prof. Sean Anthony discovered a biography of the Prophet written by his nephew, Urwa ibn Zubair. We are optimistic finding more!

[@ashokafulcrum4795]

can you send me the sources of the rock inscriptions and the found Biography? I seem to misplace this news on the web

[@Css_Xlic]

that's bs

[@sarahprincess1045]

Didn't find about any such discovery online. Your sources?

[@PenganutAgamaDamaiKolohBakwan]

All of you still asking source? I've found it, it's come from their hole when they do bowing between their prayers.

[@عبدالله-ر8ف6ق]

@@sarahprincess1045 The medinan museum in arabic displays such findings, as it is arabic, you will hardly find english news on it

[@NewtralHuman]

We need to listen to the whole talk before drawing conclusions. Some comments for this video seem to draw conclusions revolving around the idea of perpetual conflict. 27:32 - Christians and Jews where included in the early Islamic movement. 28:17 - Christians served as advisers and in the military of the early Islamic movement. 33:39 - No archeological evidence for the most part, pointing to destructive Islamic conquests. 36:12 - When does Islam appear as a distinct religion where people of other faiths may be considered separate? Shift from Believer to Muslim. 41:29 - Besides the Prophet Muhammad, no single source of authority in the Islamic tradition.

[@bryanbradley6871]

Great video

[@salahabdou2572]

A more precise definition of the word Islam is "the Surrender to the True Divine Oneness of Allah (God )" not "submission ". The word submission , in its definition, is devoid of free will which makes it extremely unsuitable in defining Islam.

[@Jamie-js3qw]

submission can be from free will. I'm a native speaker. In fact, it is from free will. Dominance is not.

[@salahabdou2572]

@@Jamie-js3qw I agree with you. As a non-native speaker, in psychology as in spiritual studies, there is a big difference between submission and surrender. Submission is the act where one accepts to relinquish his freedom from an external force while focusing on him/her self. Surrender, on the other hand, is one's conscious choice of letting go of all resistance from within him/her self while putting the focus where it belongs. Submission is more egoic focused while surrender is more spiritually focused. As a matter of a fact, more freedom and relief are felt when one surrender than if someone is forced into submission.

[@salahabdou2572]

@LVXH Thank you.

[@Muslim604c]

Wow, lots of haters in these comments.

[@devindevon]

Religion never fails to bring out the best in everyone.

[@georgekechanin4147]

Muslim604 out nun

[@Matthew-hh6ex]

You almost got it right, we hate Islam not people, but since Muslims meaning the people are the one killing people in the name of Allahabad we tend to hate them too

[@intalmdr4627]

@@Matthew-hh6ex lol lol

[@quicktingz2097]

Very interesting lecture.

[@TheIsmaelIsaac]

As Arabic speaker I must say that you are very knowledgeable and very fluent in Arabic.

[@israfilangel8062]

Despite knowing some arabic, mostly what he said is not very accurate

[@dantefuego]

Free Iran from Islam

[@Lagerfanny-g7e]

Not long now 😅

[@mohamed__swidan]

Amazing effort and interpretation, but I don't understand how Dr. Donner's view of early Islam as the revival movement of monotheism which included jews and christians who were "rightly monotheist" contradicts with the traditional narrative? I am a muslim and what he introduce is what I already know from the traditional narrative.

[@mohamed__swidan]

@user-rf8ts2he2g I agree, but my question arose after he said in the video that his findings contradicts the traditional narrative. I believe what his findings actually contradicts is that common western view and knowledge about early Islam as a separate new arab religion that has no links with the already existing monotheistic religions in Arabia

[@aldewise]

I love the religion of peace, Islam

[@Vikingshop]

There is no peace in islam. When Mohammad moved from Mecca to Medina he became a grusome warlord who spared no critique, jew or infidel. And some human beings, anno 2014, unbelievably still follow this mans example..! Sad.

[@gustavogonzalez8582]

How the fuck is Islam the religion of peace?

[@aldewise]

because it the religion of me and my family and we are so peaceful

[@gustavogonzalez8582]

Islam is a fraud and evil religion made by the pagan, also evil roman catholic church.

[@aldewise]

ur ideas bro !!!

[@erkanbolat]

Everybody here wasting their breath. Just buy a Quran and read it from beginning to end. Don’t waste your time with the comments here. I assure you will learn what the islam is better than reading people’s comments who are trying to prove they are right.

[@kumarankush8615]

Quran 9:5 Quran 78:30-36 Certainly the best parts of quran.

[@jamesgabriel7132]

ya when someone disagree with quran, u blame people for not understanding arabic, blame incomplete translation, then u encourage people to read quran because u claim it's a simple book, then u back track accussing people don't understand it, that they have to consult an imam, they have to get a diploma to study it. which is which? is it a simple book or a complicated book??

[@erkanbolat]

@@jamesgabriel7132 read it from beginning to end and then come back if you have question on your mind ask me your questions. but first read it whole.

[@erkanbolat]

@@jamesgabriel7132 www.dailymotion.com/video/x6chi6i here is a good series about first years of islam. watch it before and have a better understanding about what how first muslim lived and how islam born.

[@erkanbolat]

@@kumarankush8615 Quran 60:8 Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly. "لَّا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُم مِّن دِيَارِكُمْ أَن تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ - 60:8"

[@mumbai59]

Watch Jay Smith Historical Critique Quran Origins 1

[@sidprice6214]

Waste of time.

[@MutazAlhami]

I invite those interested in the subject to search for themselves. This speaker mixes between the Islamic state that protects non-Muslims with the Islamic religion as a religion of teachings. Islamic teachings were completed in the life of the Prophet, and because this man does not believe in Islam, he called it a movement and did not call it a religion That is why he considers the historical events in the time of Muslim leaders to be an extension of Islam With much ignorance, he tries to mislead the listener with a set of theories that are lies

[@PlebstersPictionary]

All religions are lies, so who cares.

[@cool-cj7pl]

Islam is a Christian heretic cult. Case closed.

[@MutazAlhami]

@@PlebstersPictionary if you don’t care then why you are here in the first place!!

[@arlieferguson3990]

Nice to hear a well structured lecture

[@AstroRamiEmad]

The professor glossed over key reasons behind the historical events. I give one example 11:00 you claimed it was glorifying ancestors, and that's one of the reasons, but not the most effective one. One key reason that Quraish in Mecca rejected and fought Muhammed was because his teachings of equality and freeing slaves, and Mecca was a trade hub for slaves and religions. And the heads of the tribes didn't like to be equal go lower classes.

[@tomcasarella6061]

Allah was a specific god back before monotheism and it is obvious by some of the" 99 names of Allah", like "The Proud one", The Destroyer", "The Great Deceiver" he is not the God of The Jews or Christians. This guy is a fool.

[@boshirmh007]

Tom Casarellathe great deceiver does not means Deceiveing the believer but the unbeliever. you guys when one of your own learnered men is saying this, you still dont want to belive, even with evidence and logic. this is why islam florished for centuries and not christianity or judaism because islam made sence, and with suported evidence and ancient documents. the problem with you is you try to look at anything but logic and rationality and evidence.

[@byzantinepartisan7001]

Tom Casarella This guy is accurate. There is no evidence of Islam's existence until after the Caliphate of Mu'awiya.

[@jhr7190]

Byzantine Partisan Allah had 3 daughters (e.g. google "Allat" with a T). The Judeo-Christian God doesn't have ANY DAUGHTERS. It's very naive of this guy to accept the narrative (lie) that Allah=the same the Judeo-Christian God (there were many reasons why it would benefit Muhammad to tell the Jews -- Himyarite Arab-Jews who were VERY powerful in the Arabian Peninsula at that time -- that his god was their God, despite that: *Allah comes from ARAB PAGANISM (polytheism), so do his daughters (goddesses), NOT AT ALL FROM JUDAISM, NOR EVEN FROM THE CANAANITE OR OTHER LEVANTINE PANTHEONS*.

[@jhr7190]

Byzantine Partisan I'd suggest a MUCH better professor -- FLUENT IN ARABIC -- is Mordechai Kedar. This video's guy cannot even pronounce Medina, Macca, Yathrib, Muhammad, & other Arabic words. If you want an expert in Chinese history, do you get a Westerner who is FLUENT in Chinese, or would you rather trust a Westerner with THIRD HAND KNOWLEDGE who isn't even fluent enough to read the Chinese -- or Arabic -- books FIRSTHAND, e.g. the books that the Islamic religion's OWN documents are written in?

[@byzantinepartisan7001]

Jeff Robbins I know Arabic.

[@carolebrown-gambino2283]

Sound too low...too many YT videos suffer from this!

[@BGdroopy]

carole Brown-Gambino you need a new phone

[@christinesanchezlepe7766]

@@BGdroopy, there's a LOT of people "needing new phones" then. I've got a BRAND NEW phone, (a very good smartphone, made by one of the top companies), & the volume of the video stinks. Why are you 'defending' the video's sound? There's a bunch of you defending it like it's a personal thing. What's up with that?