Carl & Laura Lentz talk Hillsong, Rehab, & their family’s healing journey..

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[@davisscoutsbythesea]

❤️💛💚

[@Diablo22967]

This type of in-depth analysis from both of you is definitely what is needed more in the relationship space in general. I loved How last episode Laura gave Carl the episode for him and now it’s her turn more, because only in that way can we truly understand what happened, how and how it can possibly be prevented from happening to others

[@Rickseavey84]

I have really enjoyed watching these last two episodes. My feelings are all over the place, I am excited for them but i also hurt for them as they have dealt not only with their own struggles but also the lack of relationship from others who should have been there for them, or at least said something to them.... As a youth pastor for the last 20 years this has caused me to ask the question, "Am i responding to other peoples hurts and issues with God in mind or am i not responding because I am being selfish"? People don't need any other reasons to hate the church and church leaders, there is already too much to find in that. I need to model what it looks like to love others well, operate in grace for them and be an advocate of the grace of God. I cant avoid operating in grace because its hard or it might have a different impact on me! Thats not the Gospel!

[@2020daniella]

Honestly, I watched his interview that came out a while back and I didn’t feel he was taking full responsibility. In this interview, I was hoping to see more of that which I did see some but in my opinion, there was still too much focus on Hillsong and the people they felt mishandled them during the situation. Full accountability is just taking full accountability and moving on. I wish there was more focus on what they are doing now moving forward to heal, and to glorify God. Time will tell and I do pray you stay on the narrow path. I understand it is a difficult one. In the end, I am rooting for all my Christian brothers and sisters.

[@alejandralush]

The transparency is severe and we love that!

[@EveRedeemed]

I just wanted to thank you for this. Thank you for being so real. I went through this over 20 years ago as part of the worship team and it was with the worship leader. I was hauled into the ‘elders’ office (three men) and did bring my husband along with me after informing him of what transpired. No one spoke about this back then and no one from church reached out to me. I was abandoned. After trying to recover over ten years after the event, we separated and divorced. During the ten year period my life had transformed miraculously. However my husband was still haunted and wounded. The church remained silent during our pain. I left the church and God (so I thought). Fast forward 15 years later, I am walking with the Lord. I’m at church, but focused on God and not people. My husband and I remarried. Happy, humbled, and healed. God be with you both and your family.

[@gray_f]

What an amazing journey, thank you for being so brave and sharing it with us! I'm so glad thing's turned around for both of you💕

[@jeffreylafary5217]

Praise God for healing relationships !! With Him, with the church, and with your husband !!

[@stephaniearana21]

Happy to read theres hope for me and my exspouse 😢🙌🏼also exworship leader here. Cant wait to see what God will do🙌🏼🙏

[@gray_f]

@@stephaniearana21 sending prayers your way💞

[@isabelsikia]

Glory to God for your journey and marriage 🙌🏽

[@lynx1357-f3c]

There is a quote that "Christians are the only army that shoots their wounded." This was unbelievably brave and I am so thankful for your vulnerability. You will look back in awe at how much beauty, transformation and healing that God will continue to bring in your life and the lives of others through your honesty. Especially in this day and age the church needs to be broken down and rebuilt, transformed into being like Christ, so that once again we can start to be beacons of light to this dark world. Thank you!

[@brian1776]

There is some truth to what you said. We as Christians will kick each other when we are down and shame them like we are so much better because we didn’t sin like they did.

[@anthonylomonte3437]

There are standards to be in leadership. God has forgiven him .But holding a leadership position is not possible. He can still share the gospel but not as a pastor. Serve God in a different way.

[@IsaacSturdee]

…. What? All people shoot wounded… cancel culture, cultural wars over the course of history, betrayal is everywhere it’s not just Christians.

[@Nochill764]

I completely disagree. Carl was living a life pleasing his flesh, it was not 1 or 2 mistakes. He was full blown living a sinful life. He only confessed AFTER getting caught. It’s not like he decided to confess out of the blue.

[@LovedByYou]

Most men can’t even admit the hurt they’ve caused another person. Carl takes accountability every step of the way, and what a great example of being redeemed. God is so good.

[@anthonylomonte3437]

As he should.

[@JustOne-qe7jl]

@@anthonylomonte3437We have all fallen short of the glorious standard. Be it most of us not in the position where Carl was. God knows the true condition of his heart then and now. Blessings to you.

[@christianbaxter_yt]

Ya'll's story mirrors mine and my wife's story - was a worship pastor 7 years ago, betrayed myself, my marriage and my church, and my calling. been on the long road of repentance, becoming a truth-ful person. I've seen your moves on insta over the last few years and I could tell you were letting yourself die so that you could be re-born in truth and continued to learn how to stay in truth. keep allowing your body to stay tuned to honesty and truth. God bless brother.

[@atxjake]

There’s still a calling on your life brother! Don’t let anyone speak against what God has spoken to you! Your failures don’t disqualify the work that God is doing through you, keep pushing 🙏🏼

[@christianbaxter_yt]

@@atxjake ♥️

[@EASH1]

Oh you brutally betrayed your wife on a global stage? Happy for him with his healing, but truth is this guy drove people AWAY from Christ. Thousands of people

[@christianbaxter_yt]

@@EASH1 ya he did and I drove people away too. Not thousands but some. I celebrate healing, and repentance. And their marriage and family reconciliation. He will never be able to change his past, none of us can, we can only rebuild trust over time, by action of honesty and truthfulness.

[@jhm-h7d]

​@EASH1 Accusation and condemnation are not the responsibilities of Christians because that is Satan's ministry. We should not seek to condemn those who have repented and turned away from their sins. Instead, we should follow the example of Jesus Christ and show compassion and understanding. As Christians, we should focus on helping others to grow in their faith and to overcome their challenges, rather than dwelling on their past mistakes.

[@iamquaret]

In my opinion, the transparency of this discussion encourages self-aware individuals who are committed to personal growth to recognize that accountability and honesty are essential, not optional, qualities. To genuinely love God, one's spouse, and one's family requires a level of honesty that, over time, eliminates feelings of vulnerability.

[@vincerizzo9537]

Folks, if you disagree with Carl about this interview on Instagram, He will block you! Need I say more? Seek the Messiah while there is still time.

[@MsJuliaSugarbaker]

Truly rooting for this family! This will be their greatest work in ministry!

[@whatthefifty]

I started watching this out of curiosity but also from a place of judgment. And almost immediately I was blown away by Carl’s honesty and humility. He has truly done the work and I’m convinced he will continue to do the work. And Laura is a rockstar. What a beautiful person she is!

[@alettegarcia5072]

Gosh, this is sobering! Your realness & vulnerability when it feels like all guns are pointing right at you is amazing Carl! I just see the Lord looking at you and saying “this is my son with whom I am well pleased.” Laura you just are amazing! Thank you for not cutting any corners and being so real. The genuineness is just bursting through the screens. Thank you for not sugar coating anything! Declaring blessings over your family! The best is yet to come!

[@teri3965]

I’m humbled. I’m so grateful Laura is vocalizing her journey. I thought Carl was going to dominate this series. ❤

[@ngulubeprincess5009]

I've learnt a thing or two, even with his kids, he just let them process while he listened.

[@camilleheid2497]

I am grateful that the Lentz's are exemplifying what Jesus did with Peter when he denied Him three times - for each time Peter denied the Savior, Jesus restored him. No one is perfect and without sin, so grateful that the Lentz's are walking in the way Jesus set through Peter!

[@shush03]

You can literally see the hard work Carl has put in, to fight for his marriage and family. When ministry becomes fame, it becomes dangerous. I recall being younger and listening to Carl. He was such a fireeeee preacher. Rooting for you guys ❤

[@anthonylomonte3437]

When you are asked a question about sin you are responsible to God to tell the truth not beat around the bush to please men rather than God.If he has repented. God has forgiven him but he cannot hold a leadership position in the Church.Even If your children are not believers you can not hold a leadership position either.

[@Thomohawk21]

@@anthonylomonte3437dude, you’re missing the hope point.they’re not trying to get another leadership position. Stop with the misconceptions and see this for what it is. Have some grace and love for them huh?

[@christie140]

​@@Thomohawk21apparently he did accept another leadership position.

[@mattybabs7]

Profound… “there’s no comeback, because the person I was is no longer here. That version of me has died. What is developed is a new person, a new life.” We are watching the beauty of true repentance and grace unfold. 😭

[@constantineandreu9377]

Maybe you are not me!

[@soniawilliams1965]

True Grace & Mercy! 🙌🏼

[@anthonylomonte3437]

Good God does forgive but he is disqualified from holding a leadership position. He can witness and share this faith but not be in leadership.

[@constantineandreu9377]

@@anthonylomonte3437 Yup! Though he ain't sharing his faith....and that's for damn sure! I'm pretty sure they never knew God in the first place👌 One things for sure....they got a Masters Degree in "CHURCH" 😬 All they did was talk about themselves! I was waiting for it but Jesus Christ never entered "THEIR" conversation! I guess not having the limelight and being a nobody could only last for so long.....👍

[@lanceharlow8621]

​@@constantineandreu9377can't dislike this comment enough.

[@priscillar7389]

Absolutely wonderfully and beautifully spoken. Your story depicts the gospel, which is the good news! We fall, we get back up with Christ, no looking back, no turning back. No, none go with me, still I will follow, no turning back. The story of truth, brokeness, loneliness, and betrayal to finding hope, joy, forgiveness, new love, and redemption. From a sister in Christ and her family - Carl, Laura, and kids - We rejoice to see you standing and loving one another. What a beautiful story, and we cheer you on to the next chapter. God bless.❤

[@adambrewer943]

I am married with 2 boys and we are pastors, we love our jobs. But our journey to become pastors was through starting a ministry called celebrate recovery. I was a drug addict for a long time. I got so much healing and through the process of 5 years my wife and I became pastors. God has been good and has used our story in a powerful way. Carl…..you have encouraged me, I need to do some deeper work. I’m a campus pastor at a great church (kings church Canada)and I’m thankful tonight for your story. Bro…..congratulations on your sober time!!! Thank you !!!

[@dionashurst4440]

My wife, daughter and son all went to the Meadow’s in Wickenburg Az. I went to all the family weeks . I studied what they were learning and it changed all of our lives! I’m really happy for you both! Great podcast! God Bless you both!

[@rebecabenitez4682]

Thank you Lentz family for opening your wounds to us. So many people in ministry don't know how to stop to deal with their issues, and they're sadly living in self-deception. It takes guts to allow God to cut us open. I am so glad to see that God loves you guys so much to allow you to go through this healing. Proud of you and grateful for your vulnerability. Easier said than done. May the Lord hold your hands every step of the way of your restoration process.

[@joshhoe]

I’m a long time Christian that has struggled with sin and ongoing sin. This was so real. And really refreshing. No sugar coating. This must have been so difficult to do. God bless you both for staying true, through the valley of the shadow of death, and out now to the other side

[@fredwashington943]

I can definitely relate to this in my current relationship. God spoke to me tonight and said I have to be completely open and honest with my wife that’s the only way we can move forward. For the thing that still bothers her I’m going home tonight to tell her the truth. Idk why I’ve lied so much over the years or involved myself with infidelity. She’s the strongest , most beautiful and kind person that I know. I owe it to her and my family.

[@hoolialynn26]

I am a betrayed spouse, and I am praying for you and your wife. She will need all your patience and understanding right now. Get help from people you trust.

[@duncelleperucho6682]

It won't be easy, but the Lord is able to heal, He's healing our marriage as well.

[@brittanybauhs1690]

Prayers to you. God’s got your back and I know God’s got your wife’s back even more.

[@davidwatkins7018]

This is currently me. I pushed the truth and now we are on journey to recovery but it would have been “easier”- her words- if I told her and her not finding out.

[@ashleygomez2468]

Both of these episodes have been raw, real, & refreshing to hear. I wondered when we would finally get your point of view. Thank you for not clouding it with excuses / blame or fluff.. people live their whole lives not knowing how to ever experiencing how to dig deep and look inward when life crumbles around you. Be Proud of how far your family has come.

[@yvonnelarkin9427]

Amen the family are truly overcomers

[@jessicacarreon1673]

I really wanted to dislike Carl and continue to be disappointed in him, but this was extremely healing for me as well. Thanks for sharing your story & taking the time to work through your pain.

[@duncelleperucho6682]

Same! Definitely worth watching!

[@ingridferl0]

Same.

[@paolozulueta]

"I miss preaching because I like what we're able to do. I know also what i'm created to do. I know what i'm good at. I'm a good preacher. God gifted me to be able to communicate things in a way a lot of people resonate" I run when I hear people say this, especially when the focus is on what they can do and not on what Jesus can.

[@lanceharlow8621]

Did God NOT give him a gift? Is it wrong to be human and miss what you destroyed? Y'all are some straight up Pharisees and hypocrites. Never mind that he's being open and transparent and owning his mess ups. God LOVES when we repent. We are supposed to welcome our repentant brothers and sisters back with open arms--that's biblical. Casting stones is for the world, not for us. Knock it off.

[@edgarbbossa8877]

Keep on running bro👀

[@riteeg9745]

@@RCGWho May God have mercy on you

[@riteeg9745]

From everything said this is what got your attention, may God have mercy on you, please rejoice when you see others progress

[@ACEyourdecor]

Your greatest sermon ever told. Truth faith love and restoration. Thank you both.

[@kirbyrose1299]

Tim, Carl and Laura… can not thank you enough for sharing your growth & healing! This has blessed me on so many levels and I have sent it to friends in hopes of saving marriages. God is SO GOOD! May God continue to bless you all!

[@rockygonzalez385]

Yeah I'm impressed by the forgiveness of Laura and how it seems like she likes Carl even after what happened. I also give mad props to Carl for taking it on the chin and moving forward. His openness is going to help a lot of people in different ways. I also see a much stronger man, the righteous fall 7 times but get back up!

[@ThinkMediaTV]

Authenticity is the new currency. Great episode. 💛💯

[@Paula-mf8kw]

We all make mistakes. Who are we to judge another person if we also make mistakes? Let's pray for each other instead. The world will be a better place. God bless you all.

[@Jay-gx1ux]

Well the Bible says we are to judge righteously and adultery is not a mistake … it’s a choice. It’s a horrible choice with long lasting consequences. Trust me I know.

[@evelizesther]

I see Freedom in these two people! It’s amazing how God can Glory through travesty even when it feels like life is over. It’s never over until God says it’s over… and I can see how God just used their past experiences to establish them into their next level and assignment! This is amazing to witness!💯

[@ChRistin_me]

This is the reason why we need deliverance thats why people of God do deliverance..i hope you guys will go for deliverance

[@brockjones9172]

Pastor lentz ive watched you for many years god bless you and your family please start preaching agian ive never felt closer to god as a recovering addict after the military you helped me reconnect and i have not found it like that since i used to watch 2 sermons a day and my connection thur how i understood with you was diffrent god used me to help a women ...alot deeper than that but first time i actually heard him speak in real life ....only the one time but you helped my spirit get there...never been there since ... i dont care what happend the lord was and still is using you...i wish there was a way to get in touch but i know thats not possible but please continue to lead.

[@iamcharity]

listening to this story has really just opened my eyes to the mercy and grace of God! The unconditional love of God that im seeing demonstrated through this couple gives me hope even as i deal with my own weaknesses.😭😭

[@duncelleperucho6682]

Amen!

[@SariTrout]

And yet, they never talked about the mercy and grace of the Lord. He briefly mentioned falling into grace in the first episode in response to a headline. Other than that, there is no mention of God's work in them, mercy, redemption by grace, nothing. They fully attribute their healing and progress to therapy and their own work, which they are entitled to do. However, it is interesting from the Christian point of view, that person who spent years preaching the gospel, doesn't say I sinned and I turned to the Lord. Not saying that they took the wrong path. I believe that God uses therapy and all that to restore us. But do we give the glory to God or to the therapy/ourselves? Just a thought

[@duncelleperucho6682]

@@SariTrout I'm agreeing with that.

[@LearsiMusic1]

This challenges me to have greater grace for people! Thanks Lentz Fam

[@duncelleperucho6682]

Same!

[@nia1gregory]

Fear the Lord. Best thing an addict can do. It will remove all idols and be the leading force in blazing a new path of freedom. Fearing God will keep you away from evil. It's not the fear of God, it's a fear of not being with Him. You desiring Him so much you cant even focus on evil. SO many scriptures on fearing the Lord. I pray Carl continues to walk in the fear of the Lord. 💯🙏🏾

[@duncelleperucho6682]

Yes, true!

[@faribazakeri2193]

I absolutely love the bravery and vulnerability here.. The world needs to see this from Christians! Thank you Carl and Laura❤

[@monicacurteman]

This is probably the healthiest, honest, raw, very difficult to hear, heartbreaking, and beautiful story of redemption & restoration I’ve heard in a long time. I want to be a better Christian to people who go through hardship. My heart goes out to your family and children. I will be praying for your children as well. I pray the church as a whole can learn, reflect inwardly on our own lives, and be a healthy body of Believers. I found myself introspecting as I listened and thought I should call my Christian therapist for another session. 😊

[@dolorescompean1507]

Yes beautifully stated , let’s be to those that have fallen a helping hand up to restoration

[@jillstark6381]

Carl, you can even see it in your demeanor and in your eyes. You have peace and I am so happy to see. Laura, just wow. You are so kind and humble and charming. You are amazing. Love this podcast.

[@LearsiMusic1]

Most of us are super glad Carl fam is okay! We love to see it

[@HealingJoy-nl9wv]

I “stumbled” onto this (yeah right…) just before my first appointment with a new therapist. I believe in my soul that God used this to bring multiple puzzle pieces together for sexual trauma in childhood that I’ve avoided addressing. I’ve told myself all the other work I’ve done, centered around Codependency, forgiveness, self-awareness, emotional regulation, was enough to sort of cover anything from that childhood season. I was so wrong. I was scared, ashamed, and was listening to lies I’d been telling myself since grade school. Thank you both for this gift of openness and bravery. Carl… you’re among greats still. King David, Moses, The Apostle Paul.. they didn’t sin in one off fashion either. God restored and did what He’s always been faithful to do because they handled their hearts through true repentance. My husband and I cherish your raw honesty, and healing looks damn good on you both. Laura, badassery has a new face for its billboard… You’re so inspiring and down to earth. So so relatable, and I want to thank you for going against the flow and protecting your family while fighting for yourself. Your story helped me this morning. Trauma changes the brain…So does healing🌿

[@patlockard]

I am thankful you are both telling your story. I am a betrayed partner who unfortunately had to walk away from the addicted love one because they refuse to get help. You are very blessed Laura, but it is not easy even though you both commit to the work. Please pray for me - it is so hard when help and healing is available but the loved one chooses their flesh and sin.

[@icecreambite]

Thank you carl and Laura.. I have been a part of church for a large portion of my life and had no idea that this is something i really needed to hear. Talking about ministry break down, your perspective on church culture inside and outside of it is healing to my heart. I dont ever listen to the KZbin people who talk negatively about this church or that preacher etc. It always feels like they have a self appointed mission and motive. But you guys speak so soundly on some of the pitfalls that exist, and you do it from a place of love and understanding. I really appreciate that aspect. I feel like i have had years of therapy handed to me on a platter. Its a blessing to me and will be a blessing to so many. Keep doing what you're doing and im ao grateful that God is using you guys in such a profound way to bind up the wounds of some of his people / sheep.

[@duncelleperucho6682]

Yes, amen, same here!

[@f.goeckner]

Powerful,Powerful,Powerful! Both of you belong to the one that mends hearts, minds and gives a new beginning. To God all Glory!!

[@robbymyrick]

Carl and Laura: THANK YOU. Your courage to hang tough together is inspiring and fills me with greater Hope. Your story and your experience speaks to the deep deep toxicity that Christianity faces globally. All of us are human; but if we profess Christ as a savior and redeemer, we must get better and do better at loving and healing one another. Blessings to you and your precious family. ❤

[@mererayasi1469]

Every set back is to prepare you for a great come back!! Thankyou for this 💜

[@daiyanabala2673]

I kind of just smile at at Jesus listening to this. What a wonderful Lord who never abandoned us. He is there in our

[@BELIMITLESS-sm9hp]

God restores. I experienced the same failures yet God's grace are remarkable. So never condemned those who failed, we are all under an extra grace that the Lord bestows mostly to those who are repenting and restoring.. God is so good.

[@ronstan3064]

“I’m looking forward to never being in that position again.” My favorite line in this interview.

[@katiefoote1629]

As the Church, we go through valleys with each other and celebrate with each other. We must always be Godward. This life isn't about us. We partner with God. You guys went through hell and I'm so proud of you guys.

[@ordb74]

Every single person goes through difficult stuff. I greatly respect how open and transparent they are being. When all of this happened with Carl Lentz years ago it really shook my trust in pastors and leaders. It amazes me how people can put a facade on and hide what is going on in secret. I truly hope that Carl Lentz will continue to share his journey and that he has truly changed. God can totally use all of this to help many.

[@jackierenee1691]

I'm really happy you both came out with this podcast. My cousin is trying again with her marriage. Fortunately she let go of her toxic friends and has decided to start couples and individual therapy. We're watching this podcast together (it's nice to have our friendship back). God bless you both 💖

[@McKelvinAlbert]

Ladies and gentlemen, I urge you to place your trust in the power of prayer. God has assured us that if we ask through prayer, He will answer. My own journey is a testament to this truth-transforming from financial struggle to earning $$$ every two weeks. If you're questioning whether God answers prayers, let my experience be a reminder that He does. Dedicate time to prayer, establish that sacred space, and be prepared for the change that is coming. Amen.

[@PastorGeorgeTURN-sy7un]

Carl, with this you now have my deepest respect. I wi Bryan had done the same! I look forward to hearing more! God bless!

[@jihanefarrellphdlongevityc3920]

I dont follow church tabloids and had no idea about what this was all about when I listened to episode 1. I just want to say thank you for sharing this, being so vulnerable. I have no doubt you'll get plenty of haters. Me, I love seeing a story of redemption. I am sure your family has suffered a lot and I appreciate that you share with us more about your journey from what seemed like something someone can't come back from, to something that has strengthened your family. Thanks Laura and Carl. I pray that this helps many who are going through similar things and are too scared to share with their brothers and sisters in Christ.

[@nancyrozewicz1458]

This is just WOW!!😢. I see the humble new change in your relationship and Pastor Carl n Laura. This is unbelievable. Healing starts within. It is so refreshing to see you being so raw and authentic because we all as Christians will fail. No matter the title and this is such a blessing to watch and learn from your examples of restoration, true healing and honesty! Wow so honest it hurts. But this reminds me that even I who has struggled with addiction being in ministry and feeling like I’m the only one dealing with the constant cycles of recovery and no one ever understanding me or no one knows my secret. Yet this is so refreshing to know we are not alone. This can happen to anyone. Sometimes you gotta hit rock bottom to get to the top. Wow this is beautiful makes me cry. Im so happy to see your marriage restored and Laura your a great example of a woman of noble character Prob 31 all day! Continue to pray, fight for your love n marriage n family. This is unbelievably hard to talk bout these topics but oh so healing and Necessary. No secrets! I love this! This is going to bless millions of people. Don’t ever give up! God loves you guys so much. Love you guys. Glad your out of NYC. You guys are Awesome! Praying for y’all! Xoxo love u my family in Christ! Thanks for sharing and being sooo vulnerable. I needed this. This touches me personally. Love you dearly! Thankyou 🎉 I’m celebrating with y’all! From NJ I’m sending u all love!

[@nafeesahleverett]

The transparency that is taking place is a blessing. I pray that we all get to experience this! It’s so freeing. God bless them.

[@Jess_Curious]

Man, as someone who has been through everything you talk about it's so beautiful listening to the whole story. God does redeem and He does restore. Thank you so much for being vulnerable and sharing your story. We need this so much today. I prayed hard for my husband to go through "the work" as well but he just wasn't willing to really do it. I was willing to forgive and do whatever it took but it didn't happen for me as it doesn't for a lot of marriages. I hope and pray this will help marriages survive. Bless you both and your beautiful new journey!

[@bmils7394]

Their relationship will flourish and grow even more than most despite Carl's past. It's so nice to hear them and I can see God has used this for His good. Praying for you both ❤

[@KhaliaStewart-yc5mn]

I feel like I'm being discipled. Mr. Lentz, your accountability is really helping me heal. Thank you both.

[@yvonnelarkin9427]

It is such a blessing to hear these two podcasts. You sound different and very authentic. God is so merciful. Whoever is forgiven much loves much

[@duncelleperucho6682]

Amen!

[@TokzanTee1]

1:02:08 I appreciate the point about "taking on someone else's offense." It's ironic because many people who were angry at Laura were upset specifically because she chose to forgive and stay with her husband. They were angry because she didn't respond the way they wanted her to. In doing so, they made something that directly affected her about themselves and their feelings.

[@jcmusic3461]

Thank you for being so vulnerable!! Your story is such a beautiful redemption story! I cried throughout the whole video! What a testimony! Thank you Jesus 🥹🙌🏻🙌🏻

[@austinchapman1704]

I love this podcast already. I wish people in church were more vulnerable like this. The world thinks people in the church and people who follow Jesus are perfect. And it’s just not true. And so when they do come to our churches and get hurt by people, not God; they leave the church and their relationship with God all together.

[@RowanJohnsen]

Man these convos are so powerful. Thank you guys for sharing your hearts and hurts to help us.

[@leondelsol3857]

Carl Lentz, you will absolutely preach the Word of God again and God’s people will hear, listen, and heal from those messages! Go back the Apostle Paul on his way on the road to Damascus and was knocked off of his horse and was blinded by the light to meet Jesus. He was absolutely transformed and brought the message of Jesus to many. In my infidelity earlier in my marriage, I was knocked off my high horse and blinded by the light to meet Jesus. I stand hear today 18 years later sober and enjoying my “2nd marriage” with the woman I married from my 1st marriage. The messages I preach today comes from a passionate place from a God of second and a thousand chances. I have many miles to go and have challenges to still face. You were built to last my brother and God is going to use you mightily and even better than before. You got this because God got you! 🙏🏽✝️❤️

[@bibleman7757]

No he is disqualified to

[@kevinphillips3295]

As someone who use to serve in the church, I appreciate the authenticity of your guys’s story. I too struggled with addiction while serving on the worship team at my church. I always felt like I couldn’t get help, because in my mind if people knew what I was going through, I thought I would lose the very thing that at that time in my life got me out of bed every day. People have to realize the church is made up of humans just trying to do the best they can, and the people who serve mess up and deal with the same demons everyone else deals with. Big and small. Unfortunately culture pushes this narrative that when someone in leadership messes up, we throw them out like trash. Ministry has a way of chewing people up and spitting them out and moving on to the next person.

[@SariTrout]

As a PK, I relate to your feelings. Ministry is a lonely place. You are treated and judged differently. It's hard to be vulnerable and seek help in times of need in fear that our weaknesses as human beings will be portrayed as a weakness of the church

[@cclarke10able]

I’ve been listening to the podcasts when I’m out walking around Belfast. The honesty is refreshing and inspiring. Everyone makes mistakes, I’ve made a few bad ones. I’m learning a lot from these podcasts on how to heal myself and rebuild relationships

[@kaduran68]

I was rooting for you and your family the whole time. My heart breaks for what happened, but I’m so thankful you’re healing and you’re willing to be so vulnerable and opening up about the process. This is so valuable in the body of Christ. Praying for you all 🙏🏼❤️

[@kellychristensen4059]

If you haven't had SA as a kid it is very hard to make sense of what it does to you. From 4yrs old up, of course I struggled with drugs/alcohol. I'm now in recovery, counseling and 4yrs sober. Closer than ever to Jesus!💕😘💕

[@duncelleperucho6682]

🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@anniec.9531]

I really respect them. That’s not easy to walk through, no matter who’s to blame. God can do the impossible.

[@yvonnelarkin9427]

Look at David a man after God's own heart, and I see that about you Carl Lentz. Such a blessing you and your wife are

[@danielkim672]

the odd thing is God was hardly mentioned in these first 2 episodes. Perhaps later on they will get to it.

[@constantineandreu9377]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂......serious!

[@constantineandreu9377]

​@@danielkim672Exactly! The only knew "CHURCH"

[@krystalbrown1306]

His own heart, like be for real he was playing in the world and not having no relationship with God.

[@constantineandreu9377]

@@krystalbrown1306 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂....exactly! God? He know church tho👌Got a PhD in that yo😁

[@wintakabod1582]

Pastor carl.....you have a blessed wife So happy seeing you together and on healing process More Grace for all family

[@ntombifuthishabangu]

Pastor Carl, we love you so much, Sir, and thank you so much for not giving up on yourself and your healing journey .

[@beckyhitchcock2607]

So thankful the Lord is redeeming both of your lives and you are willing to allow the Lord to heal your marriage and family! It saddens me that the mainstream church doesn’t teach about deliverance in the body of Christ. I pray you both can experience true biblical deliverance and continue to live in the freedom Christ died for all of us to live in!

[@dcnunez100]

Wowza, this podcast has been truly inspirational. Carl, your humility. Laura, your strength. May God continue healing and guiding you and your beautiful family ❤

[@gaycarberry8115]

You and your family are so brave!! To make yourselves so transparent on a public platform for the world to see in a step by step emotionally charged way is heroic, to say the least. So many will be encouraged to be brave, too, because of your courage. What can be said about this, but that you allowed God to be strong in your weakness. It's a beautiful thing!!

[@PassionDCGL11]

Wow.. thanks for such an honest open conversation. More Christians need to be having these kinds of brutally honest conversations! Everything needs to be brought to the light and exposed if the church is ever going to heal from all the decades of abuse. I commend you both for being so real and raw. Rooting for y’all! You don’t have to be a pastor or be in ministry to have a good impact on peoples lives. ❤ Y’all are doing it the right way, and it’s honestly so refreshing to see and gives me hope! 🫶🏼

[@ulyssesescobar5102]

One day at a time. Thankful for that saying. Carl and Laura, your story is inspiring. God is so faithful to walk with us through our mess.

[@marinavaldez7567]

So proud of you Laura for forgiving your husband; I went through the same thing when I was young and I never regretted to keep my family together; it took me about two years to recover and trust, but I don’t have the curse of divorce.❤blessed you 🙏

[@TheNobleMarriage]

REMINDS ME OF OUR STORY! Praise God for redemption, restoration, and your heart healing! Carl & Laura, May God continue to heal your hearts. Heal your marriage. And heal your family. I pray for Gods supernatural peace over all of your hearts and minds in Christ Jesus. I pray for Gods divine wisdom to continue to fill you with wisdom of your next steps . And for God to go before you and open the eyes and ears of those who hear you so that they also can get freedom! I pray all of this in the mighty name of Jesus. Amen. There are so many similarities in our stories! Wow! If and when you are ready, we would love to interview you on our KZbin and podcast. God bless you! Travis & Adelle Graham The Noble Marriage

[@RachelMaegrace]

This was so good. I was in tears the entire time, and I am just so happy for you guys and love you. It is so good to hear from Carl again.

[@mhjl214]

I hear a lot of accountability language and ideas coming from Lentz. Proud of him, you can tell he has done a lot of hard work. Well done brother, keep the faith, and keep going. Rebuild in Christ ❤

[@AndrewDenny-v1s]

What a joy to welcome back a brother who’d fallen away. Well done and thanks for the conversation.

[@lennyboyko]

when a church needs NDAs it's probably time to stop and think

[@charliDe]

From all the comments of support and praise, B-side likes this comment 😂. Ruthless

[@avershimainyang3578]

The Lord bless you and keep you, and be gracious to you and make his face shine upon you!!! I am just in awe of the demonstration of the grace of God upon you both. Jesus is indeed LORD. Thank you!

[@heatherbrewer1669]

We have walked this road. Thank you for sharing and thank you for bringing us along to learn and grow from your pain.

[@tlatchman]

I love hearing you two again. Thank you for sharing your story and everything that has worked for you. I was a host at Hillsong NYC. I got pregnant and I wasn’t married, we have now been married for nearly 11 years. I lost all of my friends. I stopped getting invited out. The texts stopped. Even had a host leader to tell me to leave the baby’s father so the baby and I could essentially stay saved lol. So interesting how the culture is. I’m never going to be part of a church again. They’re not with you through thick and thin.

[@jeremyhall424]

Thank you so much for obeying the Lord and doing this! You have no idea the impact on me and my family. Please keep doing Gods work!

[@JoyfullyFreeLacey]

Thank you so much for posting this and sharing your story transparently and gracefully. There has been so much noise, but I always value hearing directly from the source. Praying blessings on you and your family as you continue healing & moving forward!

[@117jettman]

i’ve got so much respect for you for this. Thanks for facing it and not just sweeping it under the rug.

[@debravan-aalst4723]

Well expressed Laura and Carl……. your honest conversation is a breath of fresh air 🙏

[@aixadelopez1933]

Definitely enjoyed this one better. Carl feels more relaxed which results in a deeper, less tense conversation. Loved it.

[@aaroncurwen-walker4157]

I'm praying for you guys... it would make me so happy to see Carl who I felt so let down by, redeemed, restored and with a new found purpose and awareness and appreciation that it is God that all things work to the glory of, and with that understanding, after this season of humility and having to rebuild your life and marriage and family - that one day he can step out and fulfil his calling to preach the gospel and never again take for granted the blessing that God has put on his life.

[@yvonnelarkin9427]

I know that the love of God is shed abroad in your hearts by the Holy Spirit. I admire both of your courage, I know this wasn't easy but you've gotten over most the hard part but you will overcome by the word of your testimony. Amen

[@samanthah2937]

I gotta say it,…I’m so glad to see you and your family back !! But I also understand first hand healing and it being a Grave experience. Where hope isn’t present ….except within. But I’ll say one thing is still the same, I used to listen to you before and God spoke. But, even today …the healing you went through is ever present in you and your families story. 🙏🏾God is definitely being glorified.

[@rickylopez2011]

just imagining talking to my younger self and encouraging him, really rocked me for some reason... sheeesh

[@marvintillis8136]

God is a God of mercy. He never gives up on us.

[@tl9193]

Happy for you both, your deeper love and appreciation for each other is evident. You don't owe critcs (like me) anything, you owe everything to your family (and God of course). I was reluctant to watch, but was glad I did, I've seen stories similar yours played out for over four decades, yours just happened to be on a grand scale. I think this might put the lid on some embers still smoldering.

[@timvassella9732]

Thanks so much for your honesty,. Just watched this with my wife both so challenged on our own communication.

[@Dorothyinez1]

Wow! I am so moved by your journey. You two are an example of the power of “Love” (God) and forgiveness. You are showing what’s possible when BOTH parties do the work to heal. Inner healing is NOT easy but it’s the greatest journey one can take with themselves. I loved what you said about the “comeback”… there is no comeback because the old me is gone. What a profound statement. Everybody’s always trying to have a comeback when what we really need is a come up. Thank you both for sharing your wisdom. I’ve been rooting for you since day one. I know firsthand how much a church can wound its wounded.

[@dolorescompean1507]

Thank you both for your transparency, I was a skeptic truth be told but after hearing your testimony I’m so proud of you for seeking help and receiving healing and grace for you , your wife and your children God grace is sufficient ❤ May God use your podcast to reach others who are struggling with addictions and find hope in Jesus

[@ayrikafletcher2066]

I am familiar with Hillsong Church, but not familiar with the Lentzes. As a subscriber of the B-Side, I appreciate your story, and your openness, I will pray that you two find Jesus and give Him the glory.

[@Carolfoasia]

Beautiful. I didn't know who you were before all the news broke, but when it did, I started praying for you. God is so good. I loved this podcast more than you will ever know.