We Entered our Lawn Mower Powered Sport Bike in a Motorcycle Show!

[@discingaround]

Just when Cars & Cameras is thought to have gone through all of their good ideas......there's this! Love how you guys mix it up so much. Keeps it entertaining.

[@seb2208]

Ya

[@ekinlan2717]

Can you change the sport bike engine to v twin engine... Maybe can get more power to move that bike.... I'm just so excited 😅... Hello from malaysia🤗

[@ianbuilds7712]

@@ekinlan2717 or a transmission...

[@ekinlan2717]

@@ianbuilds7712 yes convert with 4 speed motorcycle transmission

[@unknownunknown3323]

Torque transfer axle is collecting heat from motor. Try a shield to block the heat. Clutch got hot, chain got hot, causing the axle and sprockets to get hot after 100 mile. Nicholas labarre. Electric fan?

[@darrellnichter9894]

I say try the CVT... snowmobiles have used them forever. Also at constant speed it may last. Worth a try I say

[@meegstomtom]

It should last. Atv cvts can last thousands of miles as can snowmobile cvts.

[@johnmorgan1629]

John on attempted bribe, "He said either beer or a lot of money, so I don't have either right now." Ike "Dang."

[@garageofscrap]

It has flames on the exhaust heat shields. Of course it’s going to do well

[@jakeniewold3094]

Flamer

[@dandk258]

Flames make ot go faster

[@999benhonda]

I think they are comparing apples to oranges with regards to the CVT and clutch. They have worn out belts driving offroad. Mopeds and even big 400 and 600cc cruiser scooters run CVT's and the belts last a good long time...certainly longer than that clutch has lasted. With that gearing, the clutch is slipping for many seconds before it can lock up. I'd bet money that a 30 series would last longer on that bike on the street than it does on a mini bike on the dirt.

[@hunterdan2002]

I'm thinking the same thing, cvt that is properly lined up, will last a lot longer than that clutch did. What chews up the belts are dust, dirt and water. Look how many of the high hp atvs and sxs's are using them and they last forever.

[@nicholasgascoyne3144]

Thank you, someone that understands rather than just blabbing something they heard somewhere

[@Lucas12v]

Even some cars use cvt's now. I'm actually not a big cvt fan but this seems like a place where it would make sense.

[@hunterdan2002]

@@Lucas12v I'm not a fan of them in vehicles, but in lower hp/lightweight vehicles they work great.

[@avbangers1341]

That was super cool you guys actually entered in the contest, and just the whole experience was pretty unique I bet. Great work guys, keep it up 👍🏻

[@GoPowerSports]

Great job getting that Tilly Honda bike to the show and back!

[@sirhousecat3525]

'A lot of competion' Most everything there was a generic bagger or mostly a standard cruiser. You had the coolest bikes I saw there.

[@bustinyanutz4195]

BS brown noser

[@dr.auggie1109]

“We barley got it running yesterday and I think it’s time for a road trip” x,D

[@lokedog916]

Get with Chris from ratherbwelding and see if you guys could design a decent drivetrain for the 225. He might be able to make a 2 speed kit for it that you could shift on the fly

[@18wheeler77]

Yeah, I can hear him now, OKAY!!! Well that didn’t work! Not surprised!

[@lokedog916]

@@18wheeler77 haha yea right

[@user-kx6ol]

Just put a stage 1 performance kit on my Coleman ct200u it’s insane!! And thank you C & C for making these awesome videos!!! 🤟🤟

[@CMPLT_PLYZ]

also a full in depth tour of all of your builds ALL of them bring them ALL out to see! even if they are missing parts or entire engines it would still be cool to reminisce on all the OG builds yall still have

[@Leukay]

That thing is BEGGING for a two speed clutch setup like we saw on that old minibike at gopowersports!

[@nickbaddorf2673]

Yes! That would be awesome!!

[@CZ350tuner]

I have a moped with a 2 speed Dual Clutch Transmission that always beats CVT scooters off of the lights. It's that kick in the power when it changes up that nails them.

[@jif.6821]

I haven't said it yet but I just want to say the Charles is a welcome addition to channel fitting right in between John and Isaac. Rope has 3 cords to make it stronger, and adding Charles made your channels stronger in my opinion (no offense to "Mongo"). PS. I think a 670 v-twin would be da bomb in the 919 frame though not sure if worth the added expense.

[@GrooveyGrubworm]

I would like to see a 670 swap too

[@Cee64E]

Back in the day, motorcycles had separate engines and transmissions. Vintage HD's were kinda famous for this. There'd be a primary chain. or belt, from the engine to the transmission and clutch, then the chain or belt to the rear wheel. I've even seen them with one of the four gears replaced with reverse, for trikes and sidecar equipped bikes. Why hasn't someone made something like this for minibikes and go karts? Seems like that would be something would sell pretty good...

[@stevenbonnesen5988]

There's been individuals that have made their own transmissions...but to manufacture transmissions for mini bikes would be cost prohibitive... Mustang motorcycle company built transmission for their small bikes separate from the engine...you can purchase a 4 speed transmission for BSA Triumph or Norton with the clutch set up but there is the cost...and that's why you don't see transmissions manufactured for what's consider a child's toy...now what these guys could build and likely sell well would be the step thru Cushman scooter replica with modern technology and 250/400 cc engines/with trans and charging systems...

[@Cee64E]

@@stevenbonnesen5988, I hear you. But when I actually looked to see if there were any transmissions like the old ones made, what I saw was a lot of foreward/reverse gearboxes for go karts and such. So, *somebody* is making at least one type of transmission for small engine powered off road toys. Even a two-speed with a manual clutch would be an improvement.

[@stevenbonnesen5988]

@@Cee64E when I initially replied I meant to mention that I have seen unit motorcycle engines cut apart and the transmission area closed in with aluminum pieces welded together creating a cheap transmission... that'd be feasible...

[@skinny7347]

Charles is a great fit and addition!

[@keepitsimpleideaguy8676]

i agree 100% the cars and cameras brothers. kinda miss Taylor, haven't seen him in a while.

[@thedude7726]

Thing needs a tourqe converter set up bad. Ive got a coleman ct200exu with a cvt and ive put some serious back roads, and trail use on it with zero belt failures. Ive always heat cycled new belts on snowmobiles and side by sides and these need the same process to break in the belt.

[@brianbrissette9444]

Same here with my 89 pilot fl400 2 stroke and break-in a spare while you're at it 🧑‍🦽BB

[@itsteeskey]

Would've been cool to see the other bike you guys put a predator 670 in🤣

[@stoveboltlvr3798]

That was awesome of you three to make that road trip. I hope that bobtail bike at 10:20 won something, good lookin bike!

[@trevormiller1366]

The chain from the engine running at high rpm without constant lubrication must've just about been glowing red! A two speed v-belt slip pully might be better. Enjoyed the road trip adventure vid, a good fun day out, great viewing experience and entertaining. 😄👍

[@larrybreuer4495]

So let’s get this right…You guys took a JAPANESE bike with a CHINESE engine to a bike show at a HARLEY shop! Giant Titanium Cojones! GOTTA LOVE THAT!!! 👍👍❤️

[@keepitsimpleideaguy8676]

love this kinda vid! back to the adventure! I'd like to see the same ride done WITH the CVT. that's just good science. well done guys!!

[@southernredneck2428]

Charles always seems to add too the fun when y’all road trip.

[@FullThrottleMagazine]

Man...Lemme tell you...It was awesome to have you guys out at the bike show! Make sure yall come out to Mayhem In Midway October 15-16!

[@isaacitllbefine7231]

It was our pleasure

[@18wheeler77]

Considering that no one broke an arm, or one of you, the other arm, (Cough cough Isaac), I’d say it was a success! Good job! 👍🏼

[@coryhawkins967]

Glad to see everyone got to participate in the ride. Welcome back to the fun so fast Isaac, be safe man

[@Blaquer17]

Y'all have any way of weighing the 919? Really curious as to how much it has lost from the engine swap.

[@GrooveyGrubworm]

I suppose they could take it to a junk yard and ask to weigh it on their truck scale

[@christhut8140]

@@GrooveyGrubworm this^^

[@Lucas12v]

Not sure how much lighter it is but I'm pretty sure the power to weight didn't improve lol.

[@Blaquer17]

@@Lucas12v definitely not 😂

[@Ratkill9000]

The helmet mic's remind me a bit of NASCAR.

[@Rebar77_real]

Top ten is something but this was all about the cruise. And everyone made it there and back! gg.

[@noahshatzer3528]

"I don't think I blowed it up" with a picture of Charles's face as he says it - new cars and cameras t-shirt right there😂

[@DNSforge]

I second this

[@Rattus-Norvegicus]

Third

[@collinlaque964]

Maybe a 2 speed jackshaft in the future for this build, I remember seeing one on this channel at a swap meet a long time ago, that would be awesome

[@MegaMeaty]

Nah- a peerless 700 5 speed - with a 30hp motor should do 60+mph.

[@j-beatsimaginationstudio1987]

The road trip would have been half the fun at least lol. Thank you guys, be safe :)

[@gmcnelly2468]

Great work!! Have you ever thought about a personal airboat powered by a 2cylinder HF engine?? I believe you guys could expand your horizons and accomplish this.

[@MoondyneJoe]

Hi Guy's Here is a suggestion and a name to call your workshop when it is finished "PARADISE" so each time you go and work in it you can always say "Another Day In Paradise" and considering where you came from and what you have gone through to get to this point it truly is an achievement so you can say it definitely is paradise to be able to work in YOUR own specifically built workshop that has been earned with blood sweat and tears to be at this point in time. Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺

[@ditchplains1tavernier470]

I'm glad Ike is feeling better. You guys make me smile!

[@daniel202010]

Guys i literally watch every episode. Good job guys.

[@codyshoemaker497]

Next tee or sticker idea from Charles.."I dont think I blowed it up"

[@thedr309]

i think the best thing that you have done is add Charles to the team the chemistry with him and Ike is awesome. now I am waiting on a true build instead of the morphing one thing into another... take what you have learned from the trophy truck and the cross cart, and put it to use to build something from the ground up.

[@cjgames198]

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU GUYS SWAP OUT THE 225CC FOR A 420CC ON THE HONDA 919 SO IT WILL BE ALOT EAISER FOR HIGHWAY SPEEDS AND ALSO FOR LONG TRAVEL TRIPS AND BETTER HORSEPOWER JUST AN IDEA GUYS I REALLY ENJOY WATCHING YOUR ALLS CONTENT IVE BEEN WATCHING SINCE 2015!!!

[@Devdidthat]

Why are you yelling?

[@AmazingEtte]

Go 670 at that point

[@cortniesmith3138]

LOUD NOISES

[@cjgames198]

Not yelling just using all caps in hopes they will actually see my comment I've learned over the past 10 yrs alot of times if you want a response from the channel if you use all caps you have a better chance of them seeing it or liking it/commenting back lol

[@cjgames198]

@@AmazingEtte right I agree although they might have trouble fitting a 670 on there but I do agree they could probably put a 670 on there with a few modifications I didn't even think about the 670 that's a better idea than the 420 haha

[@Just-InTimeRepairs]

If you guys replace that clutch with a torque converter, it would drastically improve your bottom end torque and possibly double your top speed.

[@weenfain2321]

I agree. The difference the torque converter makes on my Trailmaster MB200 compared to my Storm without one is drastic.

[@Just-InTimeRepairs]

@Quirin M. You are probably correct, but it depends on how they decide to gear it, like if they keep the current configuration.

[@hunterdan2002]

Top speed will probably be about the same, but they could gear it down a little more, make getting off the line a lot faster and as the engine drops load, it'll drop rpm and maintain speed. Cvt is the best way to go in this situation.

[@derekmaxwell8164]

@@Just-InTimeRepairs clutch makes for slightly better top speed Cause its less parasitic loss. Cvt is better everywhere else though

[@Just-InTimeRepairs]

@@derekmaxwell8164 The clutch will top out at a lower speed compared to the torque converter. This is because the front pulley enlarges as rpms increase, and the rear pulley does the opposite, resulting in much higher gearing at high rpms. The clutch is fixed and can't do that which usually results in it being about half the top speed of a TC.

[@bradleygiesalhart1276]

Haven’t seen the whole vide but it’s gonna be amazing 👍

[@seb2208]

Ya

[@DirtTechTV]

Yessir

[@wheezer345]

I wonder if the reason you shredded so many belts with a torque converter was because of all the dirt from the trail getting in it. Love your channel.

[@musicauthority7828]

I would imagine that Charles felt the sensation to do the Flintstones thing more than several times. coming from an avid snowmobiler if a CVT system is set up properly, it would have no problem with well over one hundred and fifty journeys. I've done it quite a few times, however some snowmobiles have to carry additional fuel to run such distances. and a person should always carry a spare belt, most all snowmobiles have a provision for that under the hood a long with spare spark plugs. something else a CVT system requires is adequate ventilation. it would be even more necessary for a vehicle operated in summertime weather. they make kits for some snowmobiles to add extra ventilation to the hoods of some snowmobiles. because there is a lot friction involved with the operation of CVT systems, and they can get very hot.

[@GearHeadWW23]

You guys are brave for running that cell phone holder on the yellow bike. I'd recommend something with a safety strap. All it needs is a good gust of wind, and you loose a phone. Love u guys be safe

[@seb2208]

Haha

[@weenfain2321]

I have the same one on my Trailmaster and always thought it was pretty awesome how sturdy it was. One day I hit the main road got up to 45 and it flew over my head and smacked off the pavement lol Miraculously there was only a small scratch on the case but yeah, it’ll definitely go flying with a good burst of wind

[@Mikeofindy]

Love the content. I’ve seen it all. I do have a question, why do all of your projects break,leak,chains pop, off and you name it? Don’t you desire to make your vehicles dependable ?

[@JETHO321]

Cheap Gopowersports parts.

[@Rattus-Norvegicus]

You're kind of missing the point. It's not about making the best end product, it's about having fun with your friends.

[@robinward3003]

Hey, guys, I'm the old man with the Predator "death row" 212 kit stuffed into a mountain bike. I've watched about 100 or so vidios on how to delete the governor on all the Honda clone engines, 212s,420s,and so-on. I watched one where, leaving everything stock, except for the spring that is connected to the middle of 3 holes closest to the gov. arm pivot, and connects to the carb. throttle arm. Take a medium sizes tie-wrap and run it through the coils on the spring, cut the head off a 2nd. tie-wrap, slide it over the first one so that they prevent the spring from expanding. No more governor. Try it and let us know what you think. (don't forget to loosen throttle lever tension nut).

[@Bioruss]

C&C cleanliness fail, customization win, most fun epic win. Epic fun guys, thanks for sharing

[@Troy-f2h]

Had fun and it is a neat build😮😮😮

[@robertlee7559]

Awesome video...I watch all the time and you 3 are killing it. Love the content and the ventures with all your builds. Way to all make it back in one piece

[@BuildProne]

You need a normal enforcer clutch like I have on my 500CC vertical shaft mowercycle.

[@K_M_M_G]

With a cruiser maybe use the 3D Motorsports clutch? It locks 100%

[@GPMsEVproject]

Once again, great content guys, you got me wondering about the clutch issue vs Torque converter CVT setup, .. I think id agree with you if you either had a large friction plate ( like a car clutch) or a wet clutch like most motorcycles (multi-plate), however, the little centrifugal clutch you have is likely more of a loss than a CVT ... would love to see a similar length journey testing the theory!

[@DirtTechTV]

Love the vids y’all!!! Keep up the AMAZING work!!!!!! Thank you for all the great content!!!!!

[@paulteirney3587]

Hi guys just thinking of the clutch problem have you looked at the clutch that is used in the KT100 karts. They are run in oil as we used them in road racing on the track and we run them at 12000 rpm. You can adjust them to come in at what rpm you want.

[@jordonwentz1546]

I just got my collectible pin and it came with an awesome sticker thanks guys!!

[@brianbrissette9444]

Love your channel, as an owner of a 1989 fl400 Honda pilot 2 stroke my cvt belt takes 100 miles to properly break-in, then I immediately use that as a backup and perform break-in on my main belt 🧑‍🦽BB

[@Nunya_Bidnez]

Helmet Walkies are amazing. Great investment boys

[@inmyopinion6836]

Carbatator ! 0h yeah baby , some of us know "Mookspeak" . You gotta love her and her "Booger cam"

[@devivoman]

Very fun video guys! Hope the hot rod tour is going well! Will you guys have a stop in Du Quoin IL by chance? They have something called CarCraft every year and I dont know if that is maybe part of the tour.

[@55Ramius]

I went to the very first Car Craft Nationals way back in the early 70's. Acres of magazine show cars. Like one acre of Mustangs, one acre of 55, 57 Chevys, etc. Was super cool event .

[@djohnson1110]

Lawnmower racing. Me and my son built one for drag racing. 0-89mph in about 100 feet. Hang on because it’s one heck of a ride. Stock 16hp twin cylinder Briggs on a yard machine body. Cleaned out the grease in the rearend and installed bearings and 90W oil

[@zethloveless7238]

You ain’t doing 90mph in 100 feet 🤣 it might feel like it but cmon bro

[@djohnson1110]

@@zethloveless7238 it was done on an 1/8mile track in Macon GA. Racing against a 5.0 stock mustang. Racing heads up and beat the mustang. So before you call someone a liar maybe you should learn some manners

[@dellstudio10]

Always oil that brass bushing on those clutches. A few drops before each ride and it'll be fine. If it starts squeaking, squealing, grabbing or killing the engine at idle it's bone dry and needs to be oiled.

[@dizzystj]

The thing is you had fun and the show owners enjoyed your efforts.well done all around I’d say

[@richardbrowne1217]

Very adventerous day! Place 10th out of 24 bikes? Burned up the clutch when you got back home? Great video, Guys!

[@randall1959]

You guys are nuts. It's great. I just won a trophy at a local car show with my trike. I had the only "custom motorcycle" there but a win is a win....................

[@dipe277]

Charles is a great addition! Keep him.

[@MoondyneJoe]

I love it John, Ike and Charles What a hoot, it looks like you all had fun. Following the bikers saying, how can you tell if a biker had a good ride? By the bugs he collects in his teeth! My request for a build is a full fairing Honda Goldwing with either a diesel car engine or a v6 petrol engine licensed for the road. Tony from Western Australia 🇦🇺

[@BloodPlusPwn]

Man, this kind of video really makes me wanna try and do things too. I'm sure I'd fail horribly but hey, failure is what makes successes matter right?

[@73Bugman]

Overloading the clutch on that 225. Told ya so. Still cool. 420 + TC.

[@shaunvandenheever1034]

Hi guys. I love your videos. Keep up the good work. I have an idea on how to sort the clutch issues. Why not source a broken 2 stroke engine and use only the engine casings and the gearbox driven by the centrifugal clutch. That way you have either 5 or 6 gears and a auto engage clutch. Just a thaught ya know

[@Farmtractor]

You guys are amazing! THANK YOU SO MUCH! 👍👍

[@davidwalters4014]

How about a divorced gearbox, like a pre-unit Triumph and a mechanical dry clutch?

[@shakyhandpictures2185]

A three way build off of abandoned buggies would be cool, give you tons of content and give us a chance to see your competitive sides come out! Love the road trip videos, gotta enjoy your projects boys!

[@CMPLT_PLYZ]

yall should do more vids like this. just showing off your builds at meets and stuff.

[@lawrenceveinotte]

Some older lawn tractors have a stand alone trans, might be a good fit for the bike.

[@arthursmith5409]

A bigger two cylinder for torque and an external five speed transmission like an Harley set up will give you good road ability. Smooth trip.

[@derekmaxwell8164]

I think bikes and beards used the Harley trans on there 212

[@SuperBigdanno]

Cvt and their belts will last a long time if they are set up correctly!!!! Do you read the comments?? I have tried to explain this to you countless times! Snowmobiles and 4 wheelers have been using them for a very long time and get good milage out of a belt! My quad (arctic cat ) has 6000 miles on it original belt and clutches with no issues. I have seen the Snowmobiles run with worn belts run for many many miles. Get a book on cvt transmissions and learn it. Cheap china belts dont help but I bet Dayco would make a belt to fit your applications. By the way I have been dealing with Cvt driveline for over 40 years so I know they work and work well!

[@thepiedish903]

You guys are cool. Keep on Rollin.

[@dirtfootracing8788]

Torque Converter all the way....road use is nothing like off road racing

[@brianmcpeek651]

Maybe a clutch for a mini cup car would hold up better. Mini Cup car's weigh in at 700 lbs and push 25+ hp. Great video guys!!

[@evilbeetlekustomscreations4965]

There's no chicken strips on the sports bike tires!!! you can tell he was pushing the suspension and its tires to the limit of adhesion in the turns!!!😂

[@justinblanck5287]

Look up a dragon skin clutch, it's basic clutch that comes in a kit and you build it to engage at the RPM you want.

[@AlexTrain5249]

Nice to see Ike back on the road.

[@jtamsett]

Since the clutch didn't last, a spare belt would be easier.

[@foreverjim5240]

I think you should put a bully three disk clutch on it. Much better for taking the heat and will offer some slip at low rpm. Awesome video, and that's a great Harley shop!

[@Steelythestacker]

Hey guys just rewatching this vid and had a thought. If you ever revisit or revive, how about a standalone 4 or 5 speed transmission for the Honda 225? Just a thought, it may be price prohibitive, but I know I'd love to see it! Keep the amazing videos coming guys.

[@CJLeTeff]

You guys need to put a V twin with a Harley transmission on the 919! Better yet put a built Tillison!

[@jasonbirch1182]

You should try building a manual trans for predator (or whatever engine) use with the manual trans/bottom end of a Honda clone. Chain drive the crankshaft so it's separate like a Harley.

[@donaldwilson84]

I do not know how long it was, but the filming was great! may be the best one yet.

[@handyhusband113]

Seems like this would've gone been a good opportunity to revive the Honda Davidson.

[@PKMartin]

The 919-212, Honda-Davidson and one of those pit bike engined CT70s would make for a great road trip. One engine too small, one engine too big, one just right.

[@RattyFlyer]

It be cool if they had like an oddball category I'm sure that motorcycle would win that.

[@JacobGnarly]

I love the time of day you guys upload. Gets me inspired just before my work day is over.

[@danmorrison7112]

Hell yeah guys. Take that top ten and flaunt it!🤘🏻

[@Mustangguy9702]

Ike looks like Will Farrell from the movie "Night at the Roxbury"

[@jochendecaestecker5095]

a v belt that you can tension with a small pedal would be a great clutch for that bike

[@adamlarson5976]

You guys need to build a show quality mini bike !

[@hillbillybruno1981]

Love yalls channel!!! I'm presently working on shoehorning a 20hp B&S v-twin into a Manco interceptor.... have pictures but cannot upload on here...

[@sbxdd]

you guys really should try to do something with a scooter cvt, wide range of gear in small package.

[@TomsTurboGarage]

My wish came true!! Thanks fellas! 😁👍🏻👍🏻

[@andrewsingleton7616]

I wonder if a few drops of oil on the brass bushing of the clutch at every pit stop would have made a big difference with how much the clutch wore out🤔

[@dellstudio10]

I believe so. That thing must've been completely dry. I add a few drops of 40 weight oil to mine before each ride and never had a problem. That bushing just got ate up without any oil to reduce the friction and heat.

[@domenicregnante7671]

get the dry clutch setup with dics and a clutch handle would be perfect for the road.