The THOLIAN Problem | Star Trek Online Story Series E89 Prelude

[@ptonpc]

This is why we can't have nice things. Hale keeps breaking them.

[@TrensGemini]

Somewhere in 31 centuries inside Department of Temporal Investigations director's office. Agent: Sir, we have an incident in 2410 Director: Dispatch Temporal agent to investigate. Agent: We have reading that agent already present, but there is a problem. Director: What problem? Agent: Its Armiger. The director is turning red with anger, even artery begin to pulsate on his forehead. Director: SUMMON DANIELS HERE NOW! ......And add this to the "Armiger" file. If this will go on like this he will overtake James T. Kirk record of temporal violations in no time.

[@Injusticeman]

... But still not quite at Janeway levels of shenanigans, Right?

[@singletona082]

@@Injusticeman janeway caused SO many problems in a handful of incursions. Kirk at least tried to be discreet.

[@JoducusKwak]

@@Injusticeman nah Janeways chaningans only needet the intervention of 29th century starfleet, but he is anoying temporal agents from all of time and space

[@Injusticeman]

@@JoducusKwak Tell that to the agents who have to sort out the paperwork on just the year of hell. Even if no one intervened, I like to think someone was recording those events if for no other reason then to show other agents what NOT to do.

[@SuperGamefreak18]

@@Injusticeman year of hell happened twice making it worse lol

[@jedijam91]

One month! You can't go one month without breaking reality can you!

[@legacyoftheancientsC64c]

That energy ribbon inside the nebula looks very much like the entrance to the nexus from "Generations".

[@Reddotzebra]

Glad to know I'm not the only one that thinks so.

[@defies4626]

Oh, that's on its way back in~

[@vanillavoyage2243]

Why do I feel like I broke the universe AGAIN? - Admiral Hale, 2410

[@BNuts]

"But for me, it was a Tuesday."

[@WhitzWolf92]

Days since last incident: 0

[@goldenknight578]

Maybe this explains the server disconnects that seem to occur often. It's all Hale's fault! XD

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

11:38 ; Well, since nebulas are relative dense 'clouds' of hydrogen (and sometimes other elements) rather than a vacuum; There can be enough molecular density that it is possible for sound wave to form. As such the existence of sound inside nebulas is realistic and scientifically _sound_ .

[@neilsanghvi5229]

I like what you did there

[@foxxojones4757]

AAAAYYYYYYY a Greater Terran Union member!

[@OverkillDM]

Ehhhhh... Not to be ‘that guy who isn’t fun at parties’ but the density of nebulae is still many, many times less than our atmosphere. Probably wouldn’t be any sound substantial enough to be heard by the human ear.

[@HitodamaKyrie]

Hmm. Possibly but as I understand it aren't most real life nebula only dense by speed of light measurements? So if we compared them to clouds its like the thickness of a clear day.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

@@OverkillDM ; 1.) Depends on the particular nebula. The Azure could be abnormally dense. 2.) The ship's external electro-magnetic to audio conversion sensors mixed with any surrounding exhaust particles produced by the ship may increase the density and detectability of sound if the area immediately around the ship.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

8:20 ; Actually the "Don't touch the acid pools" optional objective is an in game bug for the TFO mission "Transdimensional Tactics" where a team of 5 player-captains go to kill the Tholian Project leader.

[@BNuts]

I can never get the Endeavour for killing the leader.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

@@BNuts ; Let me guess: The loading screen lags and you unable to access the TFO until after someone with a better connection activates the fight and you are stuck behind the shield. Happens to me roughly a third of the time.

[@BNuts]

@@occultatumquaestio5226 No, the TFO runs perfectly, and I help kill the Leader. But the Endeavour never completes for me. I haven't actually had an issue running the game since I started running it in Safe Mode, but I also have a more powerful computer now than I did when I started.

[@Windrose86]

I see Rick's videos: I watch. I like. That simple.

[@nobodyyouknow1065]

The Tholian Problem is the gosh dang kids always leaving the airlocks open. We’re not trying to heat the whole galaxy!

[@Lans32485]

Sing it with me everyone: LET'S DO THE TIME WARP AGAIN!!!

[@Gangerworld]

Ahhh I love this mission. I'm gonna enjoy seeing Hale's take on it.

[@generalobiwankenobi9327]

*"Hello there!"*

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

*"General Kenobi. You are a bold one"* Why can I not refuse the power of this meme?

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

Admiral Quinn

[@phantom6512]

Wrong place.

[@aiosquadron]

@@phantom6512 And time

[@NerdWorldEmpire]

This is not the universe that you are looking for

[@defies4626]

Oh snap! Time to do the way back time machine!

[@ISAF_Ace]

I think the tholians are the coolest star trek aliens. Like imagine if in DS9 the tholians joined the federation and had their ship flying alongside federation star ships and putting down webs to cut off areas of battle or joining the dominion like the breen did and prolonging the war. I just wish someone would do something interesting with the Tholians.

[@yurialexandre2037]

It was going to be a massacre on the Dominion side, but they don't care that much since they exist in all the universes almost with the same ethics

[@ISAF_Ace]

true the dominion is quite xenophobic, well at least the founders are

[@CRYOKnox]

Weird my smartphone just turned into an Nokia 3410... Did someone mess with the time again. Good thing i remember my windows xp password...

[@aiosquadron]

Oh.... The good times.

[@aodmank21]

Can genuinely see the time agents all slapping their foreheads in unison with long drawn out 'AGAIN??' haha looking forward to this chapter so much. Thanks guys

[@DeaconBlues117]

This one isn't Hale, though.

[@umadbroimatroll7918]

I'm so happy you went back to this line, or maybe they rearranged it... either way this is one of my favorite missions in the game!

[@Lans32485]

Rearranged. They moved Temporal Ambassador to the start of the Temporal front missions, though since it still gives the same rewards, you can still play it at commander level as it still unlocks about then I think.

[@cesargalan4641]

Oh Mr Hale, how many tines are you going to break reality this month?

[@michaelkenny7314]

That depends when he runs out of Mugato glue.

[@dixonium]

The Tholians are my favorite Star Trek aliens of all-time. It's wonderful that they're so well represented in Star Trek Online.

[@Kosh1516]

Good Job! More Tholians all the time please.

[@pjlusk7774]

Two things: -I think the “don’t jump in the acid pool” objective is for the associated TFO, where you do the raid on the ship. -Temporal Ambassador has been bugged on consoles for the last 2 months. Grrrrr

[@cytorakdemon]

It's been bugged for years apparently.

[@TomLocovare1]

Lol the ending! Can’t wait for the next episode

[@Sofus.]

I'm so glad the series continues 😊

[@dave_p560]

Love the firefly ending. Lol

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

Ah, after finishing playing Stellaris, a notification from my favourite KZbinr's upload of my another favourite game? It's a great day!

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

Stellaris, hmm. Taking a shot in the dark, but do you like playing as Driven Assimilators or taking the cybernetic ascension perk route?

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

@@occultatumquaestio5226 you are 100% correct. In fact, my Colossus weapon is also a nanobot diffuser.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

@@cmdrtianyilin8107 ; That's cool. I'm more of a Democratic Crusader myself with my preferred Colossus being the Global Pacifier. (Although I do enjoy playing a vast variety of civilizations with different ethics, and each of the colossuses have their neat tricks). To each there own.

[@cmdrtianyilin8107]

@@occultatumquaestio5226 I never tried shielding. To me, shielding is worse than neutron sweep. If I shield a planet, it will die starving. If I neutron sweep, everything will be over in a matter of seconds or minutes, perhaps.

[@occultatumquaestio5226]

@@cmdrtianyilin8107 , According to the ingame data on the Global Pacifier the people on a shielded planet still survive and can presumably even thrive as sunlight can still travel through, they just can't leave. If the pops are pre-FTL, nothing changes much. If they are post FTL, they most likely have the tech needed to adapt. Plus with wormholes being able to be created artificially and new tech being developed it is very much possible that post-game the shield can be managed to be breach. Unlike with Neutron sweep where death is assured. Also I tend to really only use it on the Capital/Home worlds of normal enemy Empires, and colony worlds of Fallen Empires. So the world most likely has the climate and resources to support the pops. I want to buy have not yet tried it on Contingency worlds though.

[@Sparky8472a]

Given the lack of clothing, where are the tholians storing those logs?

[@LordDarthHarry]

I'ts a cool little touch that the alternate timeline freighter keeps your ship's name but when I did this story my ship was called USS Bastion. That hardly seems like an appropriate name for a freighter XD.

[@CaptainRhodor]

Think how I felt with the USS Vindicator XD

[@maewynbow]

Finding and watching your stuff got me back into sto

[@antcow1239]

Why are the tholians so damn good at stealing entire starships!?

[@CalypsoRaven618]

See: "The Tholian Web" Star Trek episode 64 for a demonstration of their tried and true capture tactics.

[@antcow1239]

@@CalypsoRaven618 So long as the target sits still

[@CRYOKnox]

I guess they are from a parasitic parallel universe where they eveolved as shipeating thingies

[@antcow1239]

@@CRYOKnox Tholians can shapeshift now?

[@ThatNateGuy]

I love this series!

[@obilesk]

Your videos make me happy.

[@SFC3]

This is a great addition to the storyline! Makes so much sense after the Temporal arc was moved. Will you be doing Sunrise/Stormbound before Vorgon Conclusions? I think that makes sense storyline wise.

[@christophernemeth421]

Love these videos

[@MrMikellsof88]

I love how you get into the mindset when timelines just skip like that. Pretty great narrative skills. As a note: I stupidly picked up ALL the quests when I went to the Nukara zone. Didn't realise the "Kill 250 Tholians" area quest was recommended for GROUPS of players until I was almost finished and had died at least 15 times because I was level 60 rocking MK IV / MK VI gear. Was pretty fun, all up.

[@michaelsweet8397]

Greetings! Thank you for this out of this world entertainment! 🖖🖤

[@MeeMaw1971]

Do you think there is a mirror universe mark hale running around, And that the terran Odyssey is the terran armiger?? Probably not i dont think the terrans have a temporal agency... Still cool to think about.

[@beaumartinez8705]

Great job on breaking the universe! 👍

[@Peregrine57]

I did check out the Nukara Prime battlezone a few months back. I found it generally confusing. the objectives aren't always clear, and I ended up wandering around looking for the next thing I'm supposed to do, without any luck. I think one of them was to "defeat the Tholian commander", but I just couldn't find the guy. I eventually gave up, dropped the mission, and went back to the main story. I still have 3 phase stabilizer shut down codes taking up space in my bank, and no idea what to do with them.

[@pjlusk7774]

Peregrine57 “Defeat the Tholian Commander” is an objective for the Transdimensional Tactics TFO. You got confused because it’s presented in a supremely confusing way.

[@Peregrine57]

@@pjlusk7774 If that's the case, then; yes, listing a TFO objective in a battlezone would qualify as supremely confusing.

[@christopherg2347]

For once, it was the Tholians that broke the universe. Again.

[@golgarisoul]

Ummmm, what happened to the Mirror verse Iconians???? I'm now incredibly worried about what has been happening in the mirror verse since last we saw it in this game!

[@jasonskeans3327]

They might have been completely wiped out

[@Lans32485]

According to now Admiral Leeta's logs that you unlock by doing the Terran Taskforce rep, 31st century Terran Empire people gave the 2410 Empire tech to let them not only fight the Iconians in the present, but go back and do what the normal universe had originally planned: wipe them out in the past.

[@golgarisoul]

@@Lans32485 OH! That is perfectly symmetrical. I can accept that.

[@wrath2501]

Iconians: What the hell was that?

[@EnderMalcolm]

While there is no sound in space, it would make sense that the shield generators are constantly having to adjust in order to deflect all of these particles, along with the main deflector array. These adjustments could happen within audible range for most humanoid species, and be amplified by interior spaces of the ship, causing the "sound" to be transmitted. Like on a spacewalk, things that impact your suit will send vibrations through it, either into the air in your suit, or into you directly, which causes vibrations in your ear drums and thus you hear something.

[@JordonVirtue]

Nice to see some Templin Institute overlap in the comments here. PS, this channel was the reason I decided to give ST:O a try and really enjoyed it for a couple months.

[@SilverAranda]

An unestable nebula whit high chance of an anbush, suuuuure what can go wrong Almirant... at lease the AC never fails... wait.. what is this tingle feeling... is familiar.... oh for Spoks ears not again...

[@kingofmonsters14]

i feel like Mr. Incredible: "I just cleaned up this mess! can i keep in clean for, for 5 minutes!?!"

[@gallendugall8913]

technically gravity waves do create sound in space and by that token anything that interacts with shipboard gravity plates will also cause sound

[@BossVolt]

What is this Western-style Slide Guitar music he keeps using. It is amazing!!

[@salenstormwing]

Captain Mark Hale, the most Universe-Breaking Captain in all of Starfleet. And next... Ensign Boimler, the laziest Starfleet Ensign to ever wield a mop.

[@bartholemeowthefirst]

Boimler? Lazy?

[@salenstormwing]

@@bartholemeowthefirst It's a joke from "Temporal Edict". Go watch the episode.

[@bartholemeowthefirst]

@@salenstormwing I did, still don't think he's lazy.

[@salenstormwing]

@@bartholemeowthefirst That's the joke.

[@trekaddict]

OOOOH, I was waiting for this one...

[@alm7132]

Was hoping for some Risa summer action after the end of the iconian war. This is good too tho

[@richardarriaga6271]

Summer action for Tholians? Got it!

[@Kashi-K]

@3:23 no one is going to mention the guy who just killed himself?

[@jacobredfield1386]

eh they're just taking the quick way down is all...

[@yurialexandre2037]

Its possible to survive that jump

[@JoducusKwak]

i think that was me.......

[@dominiklehn2866]

"obligatory no sound in space" unless there is a medium for it to travel though... Like gases... Or particle clouds... Like a nebula... I don't know how strong this effect is, probably quite weak,but nonetheless could a dustcloud like a nebula improve auditorial detection possibilities (aka hearing)

[@japzone]

I mean, it's a massive ship traveling at a decent clip through matter. I'd expect the bulkheads to at least creak a little bit.

[@tba113]

A google search suggests a nebula's concentration of gases and particles is dense compared to the universe as a whole, with somewhere between 100-10,000 molecules per cubic centimeter. However, a slight breeze at Earth-normal air pressure barely enough to register on your skin would plow through the gas of a nebula like a depleted uranium tank shell through cotton candy, since air pressure near sea level is about 10^19 particles per cm^3. Or, to put it in long form, for a cubic centimeter, Gas density in a nebula: 10,000 particles Gas density at sea level: 10,000,000,000,000,000,000 particles

[@JoducusKwak]

lol i just did the mission at the end, but you should do it when you are at a much lower level

[@Lukos0036]

One of the graphics bugs in this upcoming mission is nightmare fuel. Watch your hands when standing at the replicator or crawling into the jefferies tubes.

[@michaelkenny7314]

What do you bet that the armiger is going to have a different configuration after this mess?

[@redemption2]

Hey Rick, quick random question. Why is it that Vulcans, who are canonically vegetarian, don't eat replicated meats? It was never alive in the first place.

[@GamerX51]

Because it's still meat; the fact that it was never alive is beside the point.

[@redemption2]

@@GamerX51 I mean it isn't. It's resequenced protiens, no part of it was ever meat to begin with.

[@enemixius]

Probably because it would mess with their digestion, just like for many humans who have been vegetarians for a long time. It's simply not worth the stomach aches.

[@HitodamaKyrie]

Ah I was hoping I'd get to see this mission again. It seems I had done somehow done this mission way before I ever even visited the delta quadrant. I recall finding it very interesting. I'm actually at a bit of a conundrum because I managed to catch up with where the series is but honestly I find watching your playthrough more entertaining than playing the game itself at points. I eagerly await further installments.

[@gallendugall8913]

Iconians lost a couple of dyson spheres and never noticed. That's how insignificant the Alliance is.

[@Timberwolf69]

I think it is more because of the amount of spheres they have.

[@HitodamaKyrie]

The question somewhat remains what does one need with multiple Dyson spheres? They clearly never had the population to even begin to pretend to fill just one.

[@williamburnett3660]

@@HitodamaKyrie Maybe each iconian get it's own Dyson's Sphere? Maybe some of them gets multiple.

[@Timberwolf69]

@@HitodamaKyrie Most of them were for their servitor races, I guess. On the other hand, do we really *know* how many of them were able to escape?

[@skywise001]

Its neat how your weaving abandoned content into a coherent story. :)

[@echos5823]

Hold on i am pretty sure tholians in nukara was before iconians. Like, they attack at the time as new romulus arc(and finding the gateeay)

[@seanwolslau-holdren6731]

Welcome back.

[@corbettknowles9942]

It's been extremely long time since I played Star trek online I don't know if my computer even come close to playing on it the last one I had when I was playing with the laptop and for some reason Star trek online did not like the laptop it used to make it overheat

[@kaktuskopf3214]

How do I get the nukara mission

[@aiosquadron]

How on earth are you gonna orders stuff on that bridge? Intercom? MEGAPHONE?

[@Janoha17]

The bonus objective is primarily for the Transdimensional Tactics TFO, where you fight a Tholian Project Leader in one of the acid fields.

[@JustPlainRex]

More poems please

[@edgarbrooks7695]

i still have this mission in my books, its sooo annoying

[@BlueSatoshi]

Transdimensional Tactics? It never goes away, even if you clear it.

[@edgarbrooks7695]

@@BlueSatoshi I know, I'm just saying that I never even finished the mission the first time

[@BoisegangGaming]

11:32 "It could be the Nine" My brain is trying to figure out if this is a destiny or obscure star trek beta canon reference...

[@HitodamaKyrie]

Nah, pretty sure he said benign.

[@dominiklehn2866]

@@HitodamaKyrie can second this,heard "benign" too

[@kfcroc18]

Did that guy just jump off? 3:25

[@shanenway3684]

Why are Online ship bridges so freaking large

[@JamieFHarbert]

when is STO going to make Tholians a playable faction

[@philly83]

You broke it again

[@hemaccabe4292]

If you're missing Star Trek, I invite Trekkers to enjoy a completely free novel. Just Google Star Trek Lost Destiny.

[@thewanderer9741]

Ugh not again every time someone breaks reality it feels like I've been on a week long Karkulian Whisky bender while snorting a line of Hapian Salt as a chaser trust me never a good idea not if one wants to stay in this existence for a while longer and the hangover makes one wish for their existence to end as well as crafting a new corporal form is a hassle for my kind I'm envious of the Q able to pop from one reality to the next 😒

[@andrewpreece6051]

Captain hale can you please stop breaking the universe? everytime you do I lose my keys.

[@IronWarhorsesFun]

YES BREAK THE UNIVERSE! LET THE STARS WEEP AND THE GALAXY BURN!! BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!

[@thatrealba]

Stop breaking the dang universe! Pick up some other hobby, dude.

[@michaelkenny7314]

most people when board. Make new friends read a book eat Ice Cream. Hale breaks the universe methinks he's a Q in diapers.

[@mittensfastpaw]

At least when you break the universe it is interesting. Unlike STD and Picard. Blehhhhh!

[@pearsegallagher106]

algorithm comment

[@Geth7777]

STOP BREAKINGTHE UNIVERSE!!

[@darthdragonborn1076]

I can't wait to put the tholians in theyre place,cuz they are getting far to annoying

[@thepcgameplayer5526]

I will admit this, I absolutely HATE the arc your in now, that arc is JUST SO GOD FUCKING DAMN ANNOYING worst part is the entire arc is unskippable so your FORCED to do it and the end of that mission you'll get a useless tier 4 or 3 (i forget) Ambassador cruiser which is squishy as fuck