Cessationists Lying about Church History | Responding to Cessationist Movie

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Daniel Kolenda

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@NavyVetE5
@NavyVetE5 5 ай бұрын
If the last 4 years has taught me anything it's taught me that so called "EXPERTS" are usually not... We need to do our own research! Ask Holy Spirit to give you the promise of the Father, the Baptism Luke 24:49, and the book of Acts. Find out for yourself! It's our inheritance! God bless.
@paulg988
@paulg988 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for calling out their silliness. Keep it up. How do they handle the fact that so many of their own missionaries today are baptized in the Holy Spirit, as a necessary component of living and ministering in difficult places while they sit in their ivory churches here in the US and Europe and tell everyone that it's not real?
@BestElisaKatunzi
@BestElisaKatunzi 5 ай бұрын
So what do you want him to call them if they are lying to us openly, even silly is a nice word, HYPOCRISY AT THE HIGHEST I would call it, ​@@AJTramberg
@matthewthomas3580
@matthewthomas3580 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Daniel so much. Appreciate your insights on this all too important issue. This is just absolute blatant fabrication. Early church leaders up until now have always believed in the miraculous gifts. Even examples of church leaders operating in the gifts. Cessationism was and continues to be a false doctrine. The Bible is miracle after miracle from beginning to end. They still continue to this day. They haven't ceased. Praise God. Our God is a miracle working God
@keith3362
@keith3362 5 ай бұрын
@@dogbackwardspodcast But they don’t believe that the gifts of the Spirit in use in the book of Acts continued, even though they don’t have one scripture to back up that they ceased.
@22aef
@22aef 5 ай бұрын
The cessasionists are a huge harvest field. Praying that the Holy Spirit leads them out of darkness into the truth 🙏. Praise God for people like Daniel Kolenda
@Vlabar
@Vlabar 5 ай бұрын
It always saddens me when cessationists have to bend over backwards to defend why God is not moving in their camp.
@moniquewrites9046
@moniquewrites9046 5 ай бұрын
and its not God its their unbelief
@cozyluvjo8104
@cozyluvjo8104 4 ай бұрын
PFFFFF
@gerard4870
@gerard4870 2 ай бұрын
It saddens me when the bag of snakes known as the charismatic church results in people like joni earickson being called unbelievers because they aren't healed. Miracles happen all the time, as the result of believers praying. Me praying. You mischaracterize your brothers in hatred.
@justincaseIspeak
@justincaseIspeak 5 ай бұрын
He even looks angry while he’s saying the gifts have ceased! There’s no joy in that false doctrine remember that!
@Reefahholic
@Reefahholic 4 ай бұрын
Exactly. Zero joy and a boring life. When you limit God and tie his hands, He doesn’t move.
@clevelandstreetpreachers
@clevelandstreetpreachers 5 ай бұрын
If the gift of healing was the ability to heal at will why don’t cessationists hold that same standard to the OT prophets? Surely they wouldn’t expect Isaiah or Jeremiah to prophecy at will as soon as they demand them to. So if they understand prophecy isn’t by man’s will but when God moves the prophet or speaks to the prophet, why do they then say this for healing? They’re dishonest. We shall now rename the cessationist camp, THE LACK OF FAITH MOVEMENT
@IamGodSon
@IamGodSon 5 ай бұрын
Even Apostle Paul couldn't heal at will. They know this and they're just been dishonest.
@AJTramberg
@AJTramberg 5 ай бұрын
Go turn on TBN for give minutes, and come back and talk to me about dishonesty. Swallow a camel much??
@aurelsocol5937
@aurelsocol5937 5 ай бұрын
I read somewhere that some cessationist missionaries went somewhere, I think it was Ethiopia, to evangelize some wild tribes, and after a few years they managed to translate the gospel according to John and Acts, after which a civil war started and they had to leave the country in great haste, before they could say that the times with miracles passed with the last Apostle. When they came back a few years later they were horrified because their disciples were casting out devils, healing the sick, cleansing the lepers, raising the dead, and when they were persecuted they were singing songs of praise. God bless you!
@arminius504
@arminius504 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for these videos and the response to this false teaching.
@livingformessiah586
@livingformessiah586 5 ай бұрын
I pray for my brothers and sisters who do not believe in the power of God today. Holy Spirit is my peace and comfort. I could not live this life without him. I pray that others come to know him as well.
@israelolorundare6140
@israelolorundare6140 5 ай бұрын
Amen .I join you in the prayer. It's sad because of the implications of Matthew 22:29, where Jesus replied, -"But Jesus answered them, “You are wrong, because you know neither the Scriptures nor the power of God."
@theblessedone8589
@theblessedone8589 5 ай бұрын
Listen to and read the works of cessationists to know what they believe. Anyone who thinks the cessationist argument is that God does not perform miracles today does not know what cessationists believe.
@xavierdelrio8641
@xavierdelrio8641 5 ай бұрын
Evangelist Kolenda i love your reaction to the nonsense being spewed 😅. Keep going bro- cant wait for the book! 😊
@clevelandstreetpreachers
@clevelandstreetpreachers 5 ай бұрын
Keep going Paastor Daniel!
@robertclark2240
@robertclark2240 5 ай бұрын
Even if they did cease, which they didn’t, it doesn’t follow that they should have. Additionally, if early church fathers held to cessation, they are guilty of the same calamity as modern offspring: unbelief.
@angelabaldwin4282
@angelabaldwin4282 5 ай бұрын
Bishop Kolenda, thank God for you always standing up for the truth!
@sandormiklosnagy
@sandormiklosnagy 3 ай бұрын
Good job Daniel, well done!
@ron_clifford
@ron_clifford 5 ай бұрын
I noticed none of the cessationists featured used the scriptures to confirm or deny their claims.
@kenigiri
@kenigiri 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing this. Very useful.
@nashfox7202
@nashfox7202 5 ай бұрын
Keep up the Good fight Daniel! Our God is alive!!
@TonyYoung-s6h
@TonyYoung-s6h 5 ай бұрын
I feel so sorry for the ceasasionists , may the Lord have mercy on them and give a heart of flesh.
@aprophetsreward
@aprophetsreward 5 ай бұрын
Brother you are spot on! I believe a great revival is coming to the Cessationist camp, come Holy Spirit🔥🔥🔥
@shaun88
@shaun88 5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for your ministry. It has blessed my life tremendously. Thank you for being led by the precious Holy Spirit and speaking truth. WOOOOOOO! And all these gentlemen need a touch of the Holy Spirit so bad. Their services must be so boring and no power or deliverance.
@jnthnwllc
@jnthnwllc 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, Daniel! Do you know that you are doing a similar work as Irenaeus of Lyon? He really did some passionate and detailed writing in "against the heresies". Reminds me of Jude 22. Blessings from Germany!
@moniquewrites9046
@moniquewrites9046 5 ай бұрын
a Christian made a documentary to shrine and worship his unbelief? That is insane!
@robertoliver9669
@robertoliver9669 5 ай бұрын
satan will do his best to use undiscerning and unsuspecting Christians to deceive.
@chaostube382
@chaostube382 5 ай бұрын
Very well Daniel, the Holy Spirit works among us with power with signs and wonders.
@BFM777
@BFM777 3 ай бұрын
Carnal worldly theologeons who spend their life idolizing "their" interpretation of the word, never seek the Holy Spirit to teach them they teach each other and pass down lies from generation to generation.
@bloodboughtbigphilr8266
@bloodboughtbigphilr8266 5 ай бұрын
A bit later on in church history, Martin Luther, John Knox, George Fox, Alexander Peden and the Scottish Covenanters along with the Wesley brothers to name but a few were not cessationist.
@jasonlewis5350
@jasonlewis5350 5 ай бұрын
Cessationism is fundamentally opposed to Jesus’ teachings on Him being with us always and the presence of Holy Spirit. Either that or Jesus can’t be trusted and Holy Spirit ran out of power or left us. Either way, it’s a dangerous and bankrupt theology that does not follow ancient Christianity.
@ImagoDeiCafe
@ImagoDeiCafe 5 ай бұрын
Cessessionists: You sound grumpy because you are touting a doctrine of demons. Fear and pride have not ceased apparently.
@badasserien8518
@badasserien8518 5 ай бұрын
Cessationists rather believe that mediums and new age can do miracles.
@danielross5447
@danielross5447 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for your EXCELLENT contending for continuationism. I hope when you are done with your series on it, that you will put it all in a book. - Dan in Michigan
@Alanvids
@Alanvids 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for videos. I'd considered doing this stuff, but I have a face for radio and a voice for the profoundly deaf. Anyhow, I posted this comment on a Justin Peters video - Hebrews 13:8 "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." That's cessation theology in the bin. There were miracles in the old testament. There were miracles in the new testament, there is evidence of miracles to this day. And why would Paul tell the Corinthians "Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy" if they were to cease upon his death? What's so special about him? He was a sinner saved by grace like anyone else. The apostles were chosen by pure grace. Their death, glorious as most of them suffered for Christ, was not the end of the Holy Spirit. If the early church needed gifts, why not the modern church?
@TonyYoung-s6h
@TonyYoung-s6h 5 ай бұрын
They have pick and choose because it takes more effort to support a faulty theology. Since the premise is wrong they'll continue to struggle to defend their position on the Holy SPIRIT ministry in our dispensation.
@Marv_1994
@Marv_1994 5 ай бұрын
Why be so against miracles??? I feel like there is more to gain when we believe God for miracles. But these theologians prefer otherwise.
@sammcnamara1763
@sammcnamara1763 5 ай бұрын
I can’t speak for the guy in the video, but it should be noted that generally the doctrine of cessationism is not the ceasing of miracles, as many mistakenly think, but the ceasing of the sign gifts (speaking in tongues, prophecy, gift of healing). There are many cessationists who have witnessed miracles in their lives and in the lives of others. And I am not a cessationist.
@Luiz__Silva
@Luiz__Silva 5 ай бұрын
Not against miracles but against people faking miracles and gifts. I am not a cessasionist but let's be honest, most charismatic leaders today are just lovers if money and liars. Most people in charismatic churches don't care much about the word of God and just run after the next empty promise or miracle that never changes their lives. Not to mention blatantly contradicting the Bible with their false revelations. I was part of a pentecostal church for a few years in my youth and in all congregations I have been, everyvody just faked gifts, made false prophecies, and made empty promises to people. It's all talk but when it gets to actually making a difference it adds up to nothing. It's the word of God that changes lives. And taking it seriously.
@moniquewrites9046
@moniquewrites9046 5 ай бұрын
We can't let bias inform our reality.
@dianebergsma7898
@dianebergsma7898 5 ай бұрын
Keep on speaking out! Make the truth known. Like the emojis.
@seanclue6420
@seanclue6420 5 ай бұрын
Daniel please publish the book. PLEASE!!!
@mickjames7962
@mickjames7962 5 ай бұрын
When you truly see how deceitful the whole world is, you come to really really appreciate anyone who makes a strident effort to objectively fairly and justly uncover the truth. This is what Jesus wants from us. Thank you for your research analysis and presentation. A voice of reason in a sea of madness. Edit: I had a series of four dreams where I went to heaven. In one dream I came up and visited Jesus in the throne room. He said to me a very specific thing with respect to the rapture (catching away) of the church to come, he said "94% of them will not make it". Most of the church are not walking in relationship to Jesus and seeking his return.
@brokenarrow3808
@brokenarrow3808 4 ай бұрын
For me, it was a 30 year journey to operating in the Supernatural. Some people, it's 8. The goal is to not give up, keep pushing beyond.
@fredrickneqo2317
@fredrickneqo2317 5 ай бұрын
The reason these cessationists are so against miracles is because they think that if God is going to perform miracles He is going to use them since they are the ones who are theological sound.
@sammcnamara1763
@sammcnamara1763 5 ай бұрын
I can’t speak for the guy in the video, but it should be noted that generally the doctrine of cessationism is not the ceasing of miracles, as many mistakenly think, but the ceasing of the sign gifts (speaking in tongues, prophecy, gift of healing). There are many cessationists who have witnessed miracles in their lives and in the lives of others. And I am not a cessationist.
@Luiz__Silva
@Luiz__Silva 5 ай бұрын
Not really. It's because virtually all charismatics are just faking it. I am not a cessasionist but all people I have known that claimed to have gifts was either faking it or just preaching heresies. In the pentecostal churches I attended, everyvody faked tongues. I won't even get started on the false prophecies. When charismatics at least follow minimum rules of accountability and things get less crazy on their side, perhaps dialogue can happen.
@Windowsndoors
@Windowsndoors 5 ай бұрын
@@sammcnamara1763 1 Corinthians 12:4-6 4 There are different kinds of gifts. But they are all given to believers by the same Spirit. 5 There are different ways to serve. But they all come from the same Lord. 6 There are different ways the Spirit works. But the same God is working in all these ways and in all people. Speaking in tongues is used to speak to God and to speak to men of another language as a sign to them from God. The gifts are not gone. They might seem gone because of circumstances like lacking faith but they are of the Holy Spirit to glorify His church just like the early church. Very early last year I was talking to a coworker who plows snow with me. It was the end of our routs and we were standing outside our trucks. I noticed His voice had been getting extremely raspy for a couple weeks. He hasn’t accepted the Lord but is interested. I started talking to him about Jesus Christ and His love for people and how He heals (I hadn’t brought up his throat). As we talked for about a half hour his voice started to clear up. After I left he called me to talk about something and ended up mentioning his throat and how it was feeling better while we spoke. It was the Spirit. Unfortunately I’ve been in a battle to believe the Lord loves me or would forgive me because Christians attacked me for the things I have experienced like the Lord or His angel speaking to me in my sleep or dreams of future events in the world or small family issues. It’s sad that men don’t simply read the Bible and accept that if a believer is obedient to the Lord he must love Him and if a miracle or many happen the devil isn’t trying to glorify places of obedience to God. In John 14:11 Jesus told men to at least believe Him for the miracles sake. I do not believe miracles randomly happen. I believe they happen around the gift on a person.
@russrhoden7009
@russrhoden7009 5 ай бұрын
Thank you Daniel ! Praying for you to keep going and highlight the lies of the enemy…
@sammcnamara1763
@sammcnamara1763 5 ай бұрын
I can’t speak for the guy in the video, but it should be noted that generally the doctrine of cessationism is not the ceasing of miracles, as many mistakenly think, but the ceasing of the sign gifts (speaking in tongues, prophecy, gift of healing). There are many cessationists who have witnessed miracles in their lives and in the lives of others. And I am not a cessationist. Nor am I disagreeing with you sir.
@stephent5963
@stephent5963 5 ай бұрын
Firstly, who cares what the 'church fathers' thought? Cherry picking from what? From a strawman argument? Paul said that as soon as he goes bad guys are going to come into the church. They did, and have been here for 2000 years. If you are going to consider the church fathers then you have to examine them as much as anyone else. Paul charges Christians with the task of making sure, those who we listen to in the present, of checking they don't bring a different gospel to him. People of a different time are now waiting for the judgement of God, they are no concern of ours, they are long gone, we do not need to consider their writings. Paul alone is the voice of authority. We check all that is taught against the scriptures he taught. We do not need to consider the writings of the 'church fathers'. This is why neither side can ever win when they try and unbiblically use the unanointed scriptures of the 'church fathers'. We have the bible, so just read the bible. If you read these guys, you have less time to consider the true gospel penned by Paul. The moment you look to history to support your argument you have already lost the argument. What you are doing in reality is I follow Paul, Apollos, Polycarp Et al.
@GENESIS-3
@GENESIS-3 4 ай бұрын
I trust what Moses wrote - rather than what Paul wrote. Only one of them can be right. Paul twisted what Moses wrote, by changing his texts. Please take some time to compare any reference done by Paul. Just checkup every instance and you’ll be chocked. 😮 This will guaranteed change your mind about Paul.
@stephent5963
@stephent5963 4 ай бұрын
@@GENESIS-3 If you understand Paul you will see that Paul does not lead people away from Moses. If you understand Jesus you will see that Jesus does not lead people away from Moses. I have yet to find a passage from Paul that disagrees with Jesus. However, I don't just look for doctrine, I look for a word that I can have (Greek 'echo') and that can have me. When I understand what the text is saying at its simplest level, I wait upon God for light and life. In my experience, as I wait I find as the word start to speak to me, or rather examine me, the old man in me starts to get very uncomfortable. From that moment on it is about submit to the Lordship of Christ and accepting how he dealt with the flesh is how the word will deal with the flesh in my as I abide in His word. As I abide I find I know the truth, as if I was Christ Himself, and I find a freedom from the nature of the old man in me.....
@thomasmathew9632
@thomasmathew9632 5 ай бұрын
God is moving in a mighty way today. He is the same.
@kiralynorbert8472
@kiralynorbert8472 11 күн бұрын
As long as the most scariest man on earth practice these gifts today, Kenneth Copeland, I'll pass. Don't want that! Thanks
@danielcornide4927
@danielcornide4927 5 ай бұрын
Supernatural God... Supernatural Power... Supernatural Healing... Supernatural Deliverance... Supernatural Ministry....
@Jewel084
@Jewel084 5 ай бұрын
I want the baptism of the Holy Spirit!!!!
@robertoliver9669
@robertoliver9669 5 ай бұрын
Why is it that people have a taste for unbelief?
@markscott4830
@markscott4830 5 ай бұрын
Show the man some love - he doesnt know what he believes is inaccurate that is not lying. He might be a wonderful powerless Christians man,
@Destiny_chikwanda
@Destiny_chikwanda 5 ай бұрын
Thank you for calling out this dangerous doctrine. When are you coming to Africa for crusades? Zambia precisely
@marclaclear6628
@marclaclear6628 5 ай бұрын
Wouldn't it be nice if cessationists would use the bible to make their points?
@Luiz__Silva
@Luiz__Silva 5 ай бұрын
If would be even nicer if charismatics would stop making false prophecies and lying about miracles and gifts, not to mention condemn the charismatic leaders that only care about taking money from the people.
@markmcginnis4737
@markmcginnis4737 5 ай бұрын
Our Heavenly Father does not ask for us to return gifts that He has freely given. Every good and perfect gift comes from above. Why would He not want the Body of Christ to be fully developed and functional. Lord, open our brothers in Christ, spiritual eyes.
@whatdoyoubelieve194
@whatdoyoubelieve194 5 ай бұрын
Totally forgot about this video after Brown and Kolenda rebutted it. But Brother Daniel is like, “Hold my diet Coke, I’m not done yet.” Such a great response. The scholars in the video should be embarrassed for describing church history as cessationist. And if they so quickly join in with the historic church for condemning Montanists they need to be consistent and affirm the dogmas of Rome and the Orthodox tradition that were affirmed in those councils and synods. Ah, but that would require them not to pick and choose- the very thing they falsely accuse Charismatic historians of doing.
@richhuzy6592
@richhuzy6592 5 ай бұрын
Apparently the gift of knowledge has cessed for this guy.
@JewandGreek
@JewandGreek 5 ай бұрын
"Tantamount to the charismatic movement"? Little is known about Montanism other than what their opponents wrote about them. All we really know that they had in common with all charismatics was their belief in prophesying. Their other supposed views are affirmed by some charismatics but not all. The charismatic movement runs the gamut from Neo Pentecostals to Bapticostals to signs & wonders adherents to charismatic Catholics. So how can you say that the Montanists were virtually the same as charismatics? What the second century church rejected was tantamount to extremism in the fringes of the charismatic movement.
@DanielKolenda
@DanielKolenda 5 ай бұрын
YES! Great point!
@BenWeldon1
@BenWeldon1 5 ай бұрын
i attend Grace Community church now, is there a godly Bible believing church that you would suggest I attend to Daniel Kolenda?
@DanielKolenda
@DanielKolenda 5 ай бұрын
What city are you in?
@BenWeldon1
@BenWeldon1 5 ай бұрын
@@DanielKolenda Los Angeles
@BenWeldon1
@BenWeldon1 5 ай бұрын
@@DanielKolenda I didn't think Grace church is wrong in the core beliefs but maybe wrong in secondary one in spiritual gifts being ceased
@dorinamary7863
@dorinamary7863 5 ай бұрын
@@BenWeldon1 Aren't they basically Calvinist?
@BenWeldon1
@BenWeldon1 5 ай бұрын
@@dorinamary7863 they are in deed
@nicknovello5589
@nicknovello5589 5 ай бұрын
The Academics have destroyed the church.
@frankmckinley1254
@frankmckinley1254 5 ай бұрын
Cessationism is tied to Calvinists and covenant theology.
@Luiz__Silva
@Luiz__Silva 5 ай бұрын
More precisely, the reformers made the biblical argument for that. It's not like there were any apostles, prophets or gifted Christians with gifts of healing in the middle ages. You know, just like today.
@davidjhess1966
@davidjhess1966 5 ай бұрын
If Cessationists read the 2nd Century fathers, they would abandon Cessationism. There is simply no debate. Sadly, they are connected to St. Augustine and adopt his accretions and/or his departures from Apostolic Christianity.
@frankmckinley1254
@frankmckinley1254 5 ай бұрын
Video short and to the point with evidence, good video. Thanks.👍
@WellnessCoachGuru
@WellnessCoachGuru 5 ай бұрын
Cessationist were people Jesus was speaking about When He said do not grief the Holy Spirit. These Cessationist should taken to Africa or brought here in India. One meeting they attend will be enough for them to give up their wrong beliefs when they see and experience the power of God and Holy Spirit move and people getting healed, demonic spirits are getting cast out - May we can cast out the demonic spirits in them. JUST ONE MEETING JOHN MCARTHUR OR JUSTIN PETERS needs to attend.
@Luiz__Silva
@Luiz__Silva 5 ай бұрын
Really? Because most people I know cake out from pentecostal and charismatic churches after getting tired of all the false prophecies and fake gifts.
@WellnessCoachGuru
@WellnessCoachGuru 5 ай бұрын
@@Luiz__Silva Yes people do leave the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches because of spiritual abuse and false prophecies and self glorification of it leaders. That is true. However my point was in India if you want to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ where there are witches and warlocks operating in demonic powers you need to rely on the power of the Holy Spirit to deliver these people and set them free from demons.
@SS-pk1cm
@SS-pk1cm 5 ай бұрын
I believe in Jesus Christ. I speak in tongues. And the more I read the word and i believe it, the Holy Spirit God can work in my heart. Jesus himself said you will do greater works because now Christ is in more than a million of us.
@TOROBAW1811
@TOROBAW1811 5 ай бұрын
Shalom Reverend Daniel Kolanda My name is: TOROZIDUHU BAWAMENEWI Indonesian country Province: North Sumatra District: Nias Please support your prayers, Mr. Pastor, I work at the Nias Regency Transportation Service, and my status in that job is only an HONORARY employee or (ordinary employee). I ask for your prayers, Mr. Pastor, so that I can be appointed as a government employee with a work agreement (PPPK) in 2024. at the Nias district transportation service, Mr. Pastor... So that I can provide for my family. Thank you Pastor... Lord Jesus bless you🙏
@41srn
@41srn 3 ай бұрын
At the end of the day, regardless of church history and their beliefs or practices, the word of God has not changed. Cessationism is an unbiblical doctrine
@JimiSurvivor
@JimiSurvivor 3 ай бұрын
The Cessationist in this video cannot be IGNORANT of what the Apostles or the Church Fathers said about miracles so I can only conclude he was being deliberately deceptive.
@charlesbozarth250
@charlesbozarth250 5 ай бұрын
Please write a book!
@JewandGreek
@JewandGreek 5 ай бұрын
He already is. These videos are based on the research he's doing for his book.
@charlesbozarth250
@charlesbozarth250 5 ай бұрын
@@JewandGreek ok thank you I've just recently found him so I've not watched much of his stuff yet
@jmo900
@jmo900 5 ай бұрын
Many churches have made their own Bible. Add a little there and take away a little there. Then they call it Christianity.
@tradertrader8838
@tradertrader8838 5 ай бұрын
Bravo!
@GENESIS-3
@GENESIS-3 4 ай бұрын
I can agree that many church fathers testified to exorcism of demons and healing miracles also happened in their congregations. But this does not necessarily mean that these signs came from God. So the fact that miracles have happened in church history is not the problem with the reasoning. Deuteronomy 12:32-13:1-4 specifically warns us against following a message from a prophet - just because he does a sign that causes people to stand in awe. In fact, although now Mark 16 says that "these signs shall follow them that believe" - ​​we have already been told in the Jewish Bible (the Christian OT) - that "we shall NOT follow a sign" (believe a message) - even when the sign actually occurs, - without discerning what it is that is being said about God. Any sign or miracle performed by a prophet - to convince that he speaks for God - does not automatically confirm that the miracle worker's message is indeed according to the Torah. * The point of the original Bible: If the message was not according to the Torah that Moses had taught the Jewish people - even when a "sign" was done by a prophet, then one should neither believe the prophet nor accept his sign. If what he says about God does not agree with what God has already revealed about Himself, or what God's people already know about Him, then he would be judged a false prophet (and we know what happened to them). * Another thing is that "the prophetic time" ended about 400 years already before our era. What this means to be able to trust what the NT authors wrote about Jesus and what the Christian church has said since then, you can probably figure out on your own. The supernatural signs and wonders performed by true prophets and described in the Tanach (both before and after Moses), also show that false prophets (in the wrong "image of God") often tried to convince others by using "confirming signs and wonders". Conclusion: Just because someone confirms their message with "accompanying signs" does not mean their message is correct. This means that even though "these signs and wonders" seem to be happening today (many of which are based on illusions and pain relief through suggestion) we should not automatically accept and believe the messenger's message just because he does a sign. The main thing is to test what a preacher says about who God is, and to only follow a message that describes the God of Moses - even if there is a "confirming sign". A word to the wise.
@3-5-9-61
@3-5-9-61 5 ай бұрын
Why defend God's miracles by arguing about it with people who will defend, "Knowledge (that only) puffs up?" Keep doing it and documenting it so there can be absolutely no doubt God is, "The same yesterday, today, and forever." All unbelievers see from this is a church arguing, which pushes them away. That is not evangelism. It is pride.
@dobberdop
@dobberdop 4 ай бұрын
That's why you need to check always sources. And to be honest. When you think the gifts are ceased, it is an empty faith. You dont need the Holy Spirit. Even not to understand the Scriptures, because for that, are only theologians who teach you what they think you need. The relationship with God is poor. The HS is actually only necessary to seal you. But not teach, comfort you at personal level. Even not to show or demonstrate the Love He got for others.
@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq
@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq 5 ай бұрын
Since I attend the Assembly of God denomination, I tend to believe that miracles still occur but are rare.
@Luiz__Silva
@Luiz__Silva 5 ай бұрын
Same experience here. Also, cessasionists do believe in miracles, just not that people have gifts to freely operate miracles like the apostles. I am not a cessasionist myself, but I can't honestly defend any of the pentecostal or charismatic churches I came to know over the years. People fake tongues, miracles and prophecies all the time. It's a lot of talk but it doesn't changes people lives. Not to mention when those prophecies or revelations clearly contradict the word of God. I am now a reformed Christian because that provides a far better interpretation of the Gospel, though I am also wary of those who deny its power and thinking being right about doctrine somehow saves.
@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq
@DavidRodriguez-hg6kq 5 ай бұрын
@@Luiz__Silva The Assemblies has changed through the year's on some major doctrines. In the 1980s I got a call from a brother at the church if I was interested in being a deacon. I said yes but he needed to ask me two questions if I qualified. First one was if I was divorced and I said no. The next question was do I speak in tongues. Because I said nope on that question, I didn't qualify. Now we have leadership that have divorced and remarried and an associate pastor and a deacon that do not speak in tongues. These two teachings were I feel major beliefs in this Pentecostal denomination.
@louflowers6861
@louflowers6861 5 ай бұрын
Much respect to you, Daniel, for not being afraid to challenge these clueless people.
@kennethschauer1801
@kennethschauer1801 3 ай бұрын
Rely on God only, men are preaching for money they have no idea who Jesus Christ is, 🙏you have to have a relationship with GOD
@stephent5963
@stephent5963 5 ай бұрын
Case in point. You use Augustine chapter in the City of God to prove he believed in miracles. This same Augustine who leaned on Greek philosophy to interpret scripture and coined the idea of a 'just' and 'holy' war? Give me a break. Seriously, stop looking to the past and just look to the scriptures. All scripture (that alone that is in the bible and alone is anointed) produces faith. Read the scriptures and you will have faith. Everything else is a 'methodeia' distraction. That comes from another camp, not the camp of God.
@nishantxavier2953
@nishantxavier2953 5 ай бұрын
Praying for you, Pastor Daniel. You are very close to the fullness of Truth. And that fullness of Truth is that Martin Luther was a False Prophet and the Reformation a terrible mistake. "All the waters of the Elbe would not yield me tears sufficient to weep for the miseries caused by the Reformation". Philip Melanchthon, the most enlightened of the "Reformers".
@ExcitingOnion
@ExcitingOnion 5 ай бұрын
Without Martin Luther we wouldn't be able to read the Bible. He was excommunicated for letting bibles be printed in German so that anyone could own and read, not just the priests who had it locked up away from anyone. He literally risked his life so that everyone could read scriptures whenever they want to.
@dorinamary7863
@dorinamary7863 5 ай бұрын
Taken out of context. We'd be in a horrible mess without the Reformation.
@DannyYt-y5h
@DannyYt-y5h 5 ай бұрын
I’ve think we need to abandon our Hellenistic religion, our Hellenistic God that we pray to and our Hellenistic faith in his son Jesus, and we need to return to the roots of the faith of the first century church that they lived even in the second century, and experienced the power of God in peoples lives. We need to return to Torah to fully understand God’s plan, not only for salvation before the end times and we need to learn how to endure in God’s word. remember the Way is narrow and so is the gate and the more you travel that road the narrower it gets, but your dependence upon Yeshua and Jehovah grow stronger and stronger.
@robertburke9920
@robertburke9920 5 ай бұрын
Really? Interesting. So then, read the masterpiece novel “Where Do We Go Now, LORD? - Burke.” Explains much. Very much. Enjoy!
@kennethschauer1801
@kennethschauer1801 3 ай бұрын
If you follow church doctrine then you are not a follower of Christ Jesus
@Supercre8ive1
@Supercre8ive1 5 ай бұрын
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@bowinghearts
@bowinghearts 5 ай бұрын
You really are a pain in the
@exTTVM
@exTTVM 5 ай бұрын
I could not text you out from my Gmail address. I doubted you sent me 1Myen, if so, I didn't receive it and I recommend to donate the same amount to your Boot Camp wages from Ms. Sasaki through Dr. R. Willis. Thank you!
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