CFMoto 450SS vs. Kawasaki Ninja 400 - Comprehensive Comparison

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[@aaronwestbrook8943]

Got the 450ss in May as my first bike. No complaints. I've put 3k miles on it. Plenty of power for size (and price). I topped it at 124mph. Nothing but compliments on the looks. It got stolen and I tracked and recovered it in 30 mins with the app the bike comes with. My opinion should come with a grain of salt because I'm new, but I feel like it was a great first bike option. I, of course, want a 1000cc to eventually be a proper squid; but I absolutely have no regrets. I'm gonna hang on to it and, pass it to my kid for his first bike. For sure would recommend.

[@thatzdavibe9547]

proper squid😂

[@josh_ari]

Sorry, I know it's an old post, but did you call the police or track down the motorcycle thieves yourself?

[@dikkie2913]

Stay safe

[@chaxs36]

@@josh_ari the bike has an app that you can track the bike yourself. yes, a built in tracker! looking at buying a 2024 for $7k out the door

[@alitoroganan2442]

Hows was the swing arm on these cfmoto?

[@ashraffrefinish1985]

Most major brand won't give you enough features and quality cause they know no matter what they do people already trust them. For China brand it's a different story. They're trying so hard on improving and giving us as much as they can give with lower price just to prove that they can do it too and this is something worth to be appreciate.

[@petep7401]

If the quality of CFMoto is not good enough and the price is not cheap enough in China, first of all, the Chinese will criticize it crazily. 1.4 billion people, it’s scary to think about it

[@Cnuggets]

My thoughts exactly, Chinese brands have a lot to prove that's why I think they will put in more on the R&D and quality of their bikes so they can be trusted as well.

[@unscr]

Chinese drop the prices to kill the competition.

[@peterwilson8039]

There is always the point that the Ninja is a known quantity - no unpleasant surprises down the road when it comes to parts and service availability, or long term durability. But it also sounds like CFMoto deserves credit for bringing a really good motorcycle to the North American market.

[@UNBIASEDCOMMENT]

parts of the ninja was like a keypad phone to cut cost. if a bike is intentionaly built to cut cost, that will be like fooling yourself of something cheap and trying hard to say good thing to sugar coat the poor ordinary parts with a high price because it has a kawasaki stickers on it. same as lying to yourself hahaha.

[@truss6282]

If kawasaki puts their sticker on it.. you can pretty much bet its gonna a good quality. If you purchase a bike because it's got led lights and a tablet..... good luck to ya.

[@UNBIASEDCOMMENT]

@@truss6282 i tried putting kawasaki sticker in a piece of rock, it aint turning to gold. wahahahaha. if a bike has cheap parts, even if you put kawasaki sticker on it it will still be cheap looking parts. wahahaha. cheap parts means to cut cost and your cheaply made parts will gonna make you look stupid wahahaha.

[@UNBIASEDCOMMENT]

what ingredient you put in the bike defines quality. even you pay in a world famous restaurant a high price yet they only give you soup intead of a steak you should be questioning.

[@tigerfist2864]

idk why some people undererstimate CFmoto ,the fact CFmoto brought ATVs and SXS to the US since 2002 and now has more than 300 dealerships

[@shadesXL1220]

So I'm no engineer or bike aficionado. I'm not even going to bug around with checking the comments to see if somebody is already commented. The CF Moto seems like a awesome steal and my assumption of the 50 extra CC's could simply be to keep the bike competitive with the Kawasaki because of the weight. I think that the CF Moto is a little bit more budget focused and that's where the weight is coming from. Kawasaki has had years and money to dedicate to r&d for lighter frames and don't need higher CC motors. With all that being said, I still would pick the CFMoto just for the intrigue and to support the new guys and keep things competitive in the motorcycle market. Competition drives innovation

[@OakOnboard]

Some say the plastics are not as nice but as they said in the vid, I was looking for something that had a bigger bike feel and that’s the what the CF Moto offers. 7500 miles and it’s been great. Just used the GPS tracking system to location the bike after it was stolen. My first season is over with repairs/wait time but I’m happy I did it on the CF.

[@CocoPeanut-sf9ul]

How was your bike stolen? I've been looking at the 450ss for a bit but idk if i can justify putting 1000 to 2000 dollars into a ninja 400 just to get it to match the 450ss features.

[@OakOnboard]

@@CocoPeanut-sf9ul maybe the 3rd time in 8 months that I didn’t put my caliper lock on my bike and the guy broke into my apartment garage and stole it.

[@MrPatosexyhot]

The plastics of the CFMOTO 450SR feel better than the Ninja

[@Dan-jy9fs]

Has the bike a gps tracking system?

[@juliojaime3117]

@@Dan-jy9fsit does!

[@SquireSCA]

CFMoto makes stuff for KTM, and now they will be making bikes for Yamaha for certain markets. Speaks volumes that these companies trust them with their logo...

[@peterwilson8039]

There's still a dealer chain to establish, I would imagine.

[@weylins]

​@peterwilson8039 local Indian dealership here in Lexington, KY (pop. 330k) carries CF Moto and has the staff to work on them. So CF moto is making the effort.

[@SquireSCA]

@@weylins Yeah, they are legit. There was a time when the products coming out of Japan were laughed at, and then they took over. China is about to do the same. They have become a real player, and they have the raw materials, the money and the tech to do it right...

[@weylins]

@@SquireSCA folks often also forget that we get cheap shit from China because that's what companies HERE in the states buy. Not because thats all they make. China is more than capable of making quality products. Lots of parts for Triumphs are made in China... and often like mine was, assembled in Thailand.

[@peterwilson8039]

@@weylins It just takes a bit of time to establish themselves.

[@Angeldelanote]

I went for the CF Moto! Although for months I was really saving to get a Ninja. But sitting on the two bikes over several weeks is what did it for me. Being a female rider leaning forward I had more space on the CF moto than the ninja SURPRISINGLY. I am not sure why but my hips and chest felt really weird when riding the ninja and on the CF I had more space to adjust and sit properly. I agree that the ninja is def an EPIC bike (almost got one) but I have to trust my body and what feels best for it :) Thank you for this video!

[@NoFair_Z]

Good choice, I think, maybe a little biased but have 2k miles on mine and glad I got it. Enjoy.

[@switcherlp780]

I would also buy the 450ss over the Ninja. I have owned ninja 250's and now have a CFMOTO 300nk and have over 3k miles on it. I have to say CF is gunning for what Kawasaki has in the low to mid bike segment, and is winning in my opinion. I will be getting a 700clx as my next bike I like mine so much. Also, if the Ninja was equipped identically to the 450ss, it would be 1500-2000 dollars more.

[@smolmuffin]

What's your inseam? I've been spilt on these two (hoping to grab something by fall 2024) and unsure. Ninja might be the better pick for me due to the lower weight and more relaxed position, yet the 450ss having more features and loving the look of the blue variant more is very tempting. I'm a very tiny guy (28" inseam here and maybe 120 lb tops) so finding a bike once I'm ready is going to be a interesting time...

[@yeoscore]

@@smolmuffinlook into the ktm rc390 as well, it’s feature packed and makes both the cbr500 and the ninja400 seem extremely dated while still being from a reputable brand

[@Angeldelanote]

@@smolmuffin I’m 28inches as well but weigh 245 lbs :)

[@Damons450ss]

@yammienoob Damon Here! After 10k miles on the CFMOTO after the review I love mine and haven’t had one single problem!!!

[@SirTyrone]

Would you consider making content? This would 100% help me making my decision!!

[@Darbymitch101]

Mine collects dust.. I hate it. I can make a video no prob.

[@reconbob2806]

@@Darbymitch101why? Broken or do you not ride it?

[@alitoroganan2442]

How's the swing arm on these cfmoto?

[@tommartz1909]

Good evening, I am a 74 year novelist. I am currently writing a spy mystery novel based on Motocross and sports bikes. I have never ridden a bike before but after doing the research on the sport I would loved to have started riding motocross as a young man. I was a college athlete in the 1960s and 70s and played some professionally for a few years. My reflexes were always super fast and still, to this day remain fast. My eyesight is good, though I wear bifocal glasses and i have great peripheral vision. Most people think I look at least 10 - 15 years younger than I am. I walk a little slower than i did in my youth. I am in great shape according to my physician. That is the back ground to my question of you. I plan to take the MSF course this coming spring with the hope that I can actually buy and ride a motorcycle. I have come down to the choice of either the Ninja 400 or the Ninja 650. However watching this video has added the CF Moto 450SS to the mix. My desire is to drive the local roads here New Hampshire . I don’t have to commute anywhere as other than writing I am retired. I will just be doing fun rides and I do not plan on riding much on the interstates…but would like to be safe on them should I need to use one. I am 6 foot tall and weigh 200 lbs even. What are your thoughts and suggestions for me? I am leaning to the 400 as I do not feel i will need the extra power of the 650 and your video indicates to me that the 400 and CF 450 are pretty similar other than weight. And for an old guy like me…weight might be a factor. At my age I want the bike that will fit me well. Since this will most likely be the one and only bike I will be purchasing your suggestions is very much appreciated. Thanks for your thoughts. Sincerely, Tom

[@davinwilliams3130]

Ninja 400 is my dream bike. I know it seems a little small but I don't see myself needing any more than that.

[@uncoiledfish2561]

That is crazy. You don’t want a zx6r?

[@tykell4010]

@@uncoiledfish2561for everyday riding ninja 400 is the move

[@brando3009]

personally im hoping to get an sv650, hopefully both of us get our dream bikes soon.

[@tykell4010]

@@brando3009 yeah I’m looking to get a zh2 by next season. Let lock in grind them overtime hours all winter. We got this lock In boys🔒

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

@@brando3009having ridden a Ninja 400, for every day riding it’s more then enough. And I have a 50 mile one way commute on mostly highway and interstate. Can still easily break the speed limit on one, even on the interstate. It’s also very cheap to own. I also had a GSXR 600 for a little over a week as a loaner bike, and while I definitely liked it more on the interstate, the baby Ninja is more then capable.

[@boostjunkie27]

I can't find any used ninja 400s for a decent price but I found a used 450ss for such a great price that I will go ahead and purchase it to learn on.

[@GrimAbstract]

Where’s the best place to buy used bikes? I can’t find any used cf motos 😭

[@dangerousdylan6262]

​@@GrimAbstracttake that as a good sign... if you can't find a used one for sale it means nobody is wanting to get rid of theirs... that being said Facebook Market Place typically has a lot of bikes or at least in my area

[@JoeSummers-c6y]

CFMoto needs to bring their 450 SR-S to the North American market. It has better brakes, weighs 50lbs lighter, includes adjustable suspension, single-sided swing arm, along with traction control.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

1. What better brakes? 2. why do you need traction control on a 450cc bike?

[@GillMaticH2O]

Where did you read that it is 50lbs lighter? Their site shows SR being 168kg and the SR-S being 179kg. The SS is 370lbs. If their website is correct, then the SR-S is about 25lbs heavier, not 50lbs lighter.

[@austinwinchester2954]

I have owned all three of the major brands. 2018 ninja 400, 2020 R3 X2, cfmoto 450ss. The 450 is the best BY FAR. It’s really not even close. I’d actually choose the R3 with a throttle tube mod over the ninja 400 as well. The seating position is very awkward on the ninja, the rear sets sit weird, and it constantly wants to throw your nuts against the tank. (Owners will know what I mean). I have no interest in cfmoto and owned multiple 600cc sportbikes as well. This little guy is a BEAST!

[@cameronlarbalestier4663]

I understand the nuts on tank for the 400! Recently got one and starting to think i need Nut Armour LOL

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

I rode a Ninja 400 in the mountains and didn’t have that issue. It was probably the most fun I’ve ever had a mountain road.

[@austinwinchester2954]

@@sleeper.simulant7327it depends on nut size. Tiny nuts most likely won’t encounter any issues

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

these small bikes are the best. I've been on a cb500f for 5 years now and I really don't want more power, just sound. Rode the cb650r the other day and the power on that down low is very similar to my 500, so I'm thinking about getting that. But I really don't know if I want a zx4r over the cbr650r thooo And yes, I don't want more power, I don't need it either.@@sleeper.simulant7327

[@dabears22]

yea my ninja throws me into the tank constantly

[@angelitogeronimo0805]

Nice review Mr. Yammie, I'm 100% agree with you Ninja 400 is still the king in his category, but the 450 NK is the new generation for the beginner bike. Hopefully you can also feature the z400, duke 390 and the 450nk. Best regards sir.

[@chickenchaser3213]

Would love to see a “400 class shootout” rc 390, ninja 400, r3, cf450ss, cbr 500r see who’s really the king of the class then when the aprilia drops see where it slots in 👌👍

[@peterwilson8039]

Don't forget Triumph/Bajaj has a new entry in this class, which I'm looking forward to getting a chance to look at.

[@chickenchaser3213]

@@peterwilson8039 I’m talking about the sport bike 400cc class

[@ZerRezMotoVlog]

aprilia's 457 price will be the deal breaker 😂

[@uros2909]

@@ZerRezMotoVlog Hopefully they won't make a mistake with their pricing, or else they'll kill the bike before it's first purchase.

[@peterwilson8039]

@@chickenchaser3213 Point taken.

[@lucascarracedo7421]

250 cc motorcycles, and even lower, are still the entry level motorcycles recommended for mostly anyone all around the world. What you see right there is a classic case of bigger is better American exaggerbation. Almost everyone, even the ones who say they haven't had any issues starting with a liter sports behemoth, would be in an even better place today if they had spent a season on a tiny bike they can just constantly drop during practice without any serious consequences.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Not to ignore that even a 125cc can kill you with no problem.

[@lucascarracedo7421]

@@Daniel-dj7fh yeah. Reminds me of when people say good gear isn't necessary for riding a scooter. Darwin wins.

[@reconbob2806]

If youve ridden dirtbikes at all,

[@Alen-DK]

Comparison CFmoto - faster , better brakes , better tech , more stable , sounds better , looks better , better lights , feels like bigger bike NINJA 400 - its light , its a kawasaki , feels like little bike

[@REVVEDup06]

Couldn't agree more. 😊

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

how does either bike feel bigger or smaller tho? they both have similar tires and dimensions?

[@Ray-mm1xg]

I’m looking forward to get a CLC450 from Cfmoto, they recently launched that bike and will most likely come to North America.

[@paulstack2431]

Great video guys ' I saw the 450 sr in my local bike shop' window and it got me enthusiastic about jumping back on a bike after a 30 year break ' i just put a deposit on it yesterday a day before this video haha' its their demo with 180kms on the clock with all the CF Moto accessories already fitted from smoked front screen ' clutch and brake levers billet rear sets' alxe sliders' seat ' rear cowl tale tidy and Verex slipon for not much more than a standard 450sr ' so i reckon i did ok 😀

[@Partnerthedog]

I've owned almost every beginner bike possible (r3, cb300f, ninja 400, drz400sm, 401 svartpilen and more!!) And yes, the ninja 400 is the best beginner bike money can buy! I currently have a 390 adventure, it's good for my lifestyle

[@Partnerthedog]

I've never tried a 450ss I'd love to though

[@Bubbley23]

I was comparing the CF 650ADV vs the Kawa 650 Versys. The CF felt very good, almost better than the Versys. But as it was said, the aftermarket and known platform is why I went to the Versys. I heard not too many good things about the CF/KTM engines and didn't wanna fuss about it over time.

[@juanguasp7782]

I got a 250 cc nk and it works lovely, but the problems at least in latam are the spare parts, they don't have transmission parts in the official representant.

[@BenrockyAA]

Ok after owning the CF Moto 450 SR for about three months now, i have zero regrets about buying it. The sound with a slip on is amazing, and it really adds to the overall experience. However imo, the Brembo brakes are overkill for this bike. It is way overspec for what it needs, and would rather have the cost savings into other components.

[@grizzlymac-tight]

But the abs is good right?

[@BenrockyAA]

@@grizzlymac-tight very very good

[@grizzlymac-tight]

@@BenrockyAA I wanna get the 450ss so bad

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

You can never overspecc brakes. Brakes and tires are two things you can never have enough of imo.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Plus the calliper looks dope as shit

[@viccotalondata4035]

CFMOTO and Yamaha have reached an agreement to establish a joint venture in Zhuzhou, China. The name of the new business will be ZHUZHOU CF YAMAHA MOTOR Co.

[@JosephStanek-jj3uo]

Yep, because of that my MT 09 will be my last Yamaha, back to Aprilia I guess.

[@novacounciloutsdrs4770]

Zhuzhou is the manufacturing capital of China so quality is a MAJOR concern. From someone who gets products manufactured from every corner of the world.

[@KingJerbear]

It looks to me like even if you're a motoGP rider, if you're out on the road with your buddy with either of these bikes you're gonna have a damn great time. Thanks for the review

[@nonbinaryqtip390]

My first bike was a ninja 400 and I can honestly say for a beginner who doesn’t wanna risk startin on a 600 it’s fantastic it’s very forgiving and has just enough power to keep u interested while u learn I didn’t go to a safety course or anything I just went to the dmv got my permit then went dealer got the bike had it dropped off at my house and then rode around my development for about 50 miles so I could learn how to shift and everything the only knock I have against it is the fuckin plastic seat is ass brakin so if ur going for longer rides that r like 30 minutes or more ur gunna feel it especially if u live in a smaller town where the roads r shit but other than that u really can’t go wrong with the Ninja 400 although I won’t lie that cf moto 450 looks stoopid clean and puttin a slip on exhaust makes that thing sound like a proper 600 shit sounds amazing

[@uncoiledfish2561]

Are you an American? Most over countries you can’t start on a 600. I have to wait a year before doing my full licence, then I can get a 600. I could buy one now but I’d get pulled over a ton. And they wouldn’t let me sit my test on one.

[@michaelholliday6216]

I appreciate your honest opinion! Thanks Yammie!

[@OilyNinja]

I’ve only ridden 4 motorcycles in my life and this is one. I went to a cf moto event and rode a few. I loved the 450ss I wish it was my beginner bike. I’m kinda thinking of getting one as a track bike.

[@dantolen3969]

A real comparison should be after 50k miles. Some of us ride our bikes every day for the long haul. The first 10k miles mean jack. That’s just breaking a bike in. How well do the internal parts work? How expensive are replacement parts? How available are replacement parts? I will give this bike a few years to see the longevity. Until then, I will keep wringing the neck off my Ninja 400.

[@bladeslayer]

they make engines for ktm and the other big japanese companys use parts from cfmoto. trust me, its quality

[@codysmith9813]

I was going with the Ninja but have changed my mind and going to buy the CFmoto450. I did sit on a 300ss at my local dealer it was nice.

[@ishan_13730]

The Cfmoto 450ss/sr is a really great bike and I'd say it's the best almost 500cc (mid-segment) bike on the market, with the power figures, the 270 crank and the overall design

[@cgsmotovlog6894]

I want 450SS so badly.

[@campdee7183]

Can't wait to see the 450 on track

[@believeingood5875]

The CF 450 SS is the best motorcycle in its class.

[@l3esme568]

I think the thing with the cf moto Ashwell is the distribution the ninja 400's weight is distributed so well that you really feel like you can throw it around so it feels a lot lighter than the actual weight difference. The ninja 400 isn't dethroned just yet I think

[@tranquilmeditationsessions]

cfmoto lied on paper.... ive gotten mine to 135 mph almost every time i ride. I also dust any ninja 400 or cbr500 off a dig and a roll.... by a few bike lengths. the cfmoto450 is an amazing beginner bike, and a great / capable bike for someone who just doesnt need a 600cc engine. also the aftermarket support is getting a lot better.... just got new fairings, a few oil filters, new mirrors, new winglets, new levers and clip ons.... not too bad

[@FunniestFlicks]

There is no way the cf got to 135 mph. The r7 barley reaches 135 bud.

[@tranquilmeditationsessions]

ill make sure to take a pic next time@@FunniestFlicks

[@richardchileshe9910]

@@FunniestFlicks sure will friend. I've seen the 450 nudge 195kph.

[@Im____ltm]

Can you share a link for the fairings you found please?

[@sleeper.simulant7327]

135 on your speedometer. GPS would probably put you in the mid 120’s. Every bike I’ve ridden the speedometer reads high, some by a little, some by a lot.

[@yohaan9]

I'll have to go with the CF Moto here (just a personal opinion since we don't have the N400 here, instead the N300)

[@BrunoEnrique]

I tried both and even had a deal with the Ninja 400, but changed my mind to the cfmoto and bought it instead. Seemed a bit punchier and faster, with overall a better package of pretty much everything in my opinion of course. Both great bikes. But I’m sold to Cfmoto 😂

[@rocinanteblues]

You can't argue with arguably the king. There's a politician on a bike

[@ΟρφεαςΣιγαλας]

cfmoto 450sr for me. As a not complete beginer that wants to take it step by step i like the big bike feel it has. Also in greece ninja 400 is 1k more expensive than the cfmoto.

[@bellatron7660]

Great video, been waiting for something like this.

[@accordingtoabe2211]

people arguing reliability like its even a viable point. the 450 JUST came out, lmao "WELL THE NINJA WINS BECAUSE OF THIS NON EQUITABLE ARGUING POINT CF CANT DO ANYTHING ABOUT CUZ IT LITERALLY HASNT EXISTED LONG ENOUGH YET!"😂😂😂 sound logic. lmao

[@mdfuells]

Along with other things. "cfmoto got everything but hey what a slightly light bike this is, this thing's better" They didnt even mention how ridiculously light the clutch lever is on the cfmoto, being way lot better for a beginner

[@NakiriX1]

for anyone wondering, theres a new one called the sr s. All these are things ive heard from ppl owning em so not personal, take it with a grain of salt. Transmission feels better, gets a quickshifter (idk if option or not but it sounds nice), belly exhaust like the rs660 and some other smaller stuff here and there. same price tho!

[@davidkuenzel]

Hello Yam I'm 28yo from SD CA started riding last Oct on a 2019 ninja 400 abs with 3k miles because of your advice so thank you for the help now I have rode everything from groms, yz450, zx6r, sportster and more BUT I LOVE THE NINJA 400! I also now have a 2017 drz400sm and 2020 grom so that's my 3 bike stable. PS Do more skateboard stuff for me that outro was the best I can tre flip easy you got this plus I ride every single day for yall who can't sorry for illiteracy😅✌️

[@johnluckett7119]

Why does every bike less than a super sport bike less than 900 cc's have to be a beginner bike. A toyota corolla is not a beginner car. Been riding 30 plus years and would enjoy riding most bikes.

[@Daniel-dj7fh]

Because it's what Americans call it. Moto3 is a whole ass Race Division, and they're riding 300's. I'd not consider those people beginners. I personally have vowed to never get a bike over 100hp (unless I have no other choices) because more power is unusable and wasted potential. I don't ride track, and the Autobahn is boring af. I want an i4 sportsbike, and there are only two options atm.

[@UNBIASEDCOMMENT]

the ninja was like buying a 2023 model keypad phone with ordinary lcd display to cut cost and still brag about it and trying hard to say good things out of what bad things we see to sugar coat an intentionally made to cut cost bike for a high price using kawasaki brand. It's not the brand, it is about what effort they put in that bike.

[@shree397]

I really don't know if you know China, but being burnt by CF Moto 650mt I will say stay away from Chinese motorcycles. The only saving Grace was the court decided in my favour. I immediately purchased a honda transalp 750 and 6000 miles in I think it was the best decision of my life after what I did to myself buying a Chinese motorcycle.

[@wolverine1854]

I would personally choose my dream bike Ninja 400❤..almost no video on KZbin that i haven't watched of Ninja 400 and have even putted Ninja 400 in WhatsApp dp profile pic and mobile wallpaper. My friend have offered me manytimes his Ninja 400 and I've reached 166 kmph on 4th gear on a short stretch❤🔥

[@Ghryst]

"whjat is the extra 50cc for?" okay, you asked multiple times so i'll tell ya.. the extra 50cc is so the bikes tune can be toned down, and you get extra reliability for little extra price ... ie: no need for expensive strengthened internal engine parts with a smaller engine that has basically the same power and torque.. the 400 gets the same power, at the cost of a more expensive production process.

[@audibleanimalkemp9200]

Idk I really like the sound and looks of the cf moto.

[@airdreams1]

I've just never been a Kawasaki guy, I've always been a Yamaha guy.... but if they start coming out with quite a bit of aftermarket support for the CF moto, then most likely I will buy one of those in a couple of years when that happens. And I'm willing to bet with a few minor modifications that the CF Moto can save a lot of that excess weight. Im positive that muffler is easley 15 lbs or more....

[@davidmendoza8747]

Hi guys im betwen a KTM RC490 and a CF 450SRS wich should I choose? :(

[@darth_birb6614]

I’m split between these bikes but I am leaning toward the ninja just because it’s a tried and tested platform. My plan is to get my first bike when I get out of college so maybe by then the cfmoto will be a more established bike. Also, the new ninja 500 (that’s technically a 450) is coming out and since it’s based on the 400’s chassis I hope it will be the perfect in between for me. I just hope and pray it’s not like the cbr500r

[@Chaals]

Sat on a CFMoto and I could feel the difference in quality. I went Ninja and I have zero regrets.

[@drewoke5046]

How ? What difference in quality did you find from just sitting ?

[@6amamoeba677]

​@drewoke5046 biggest thing I noticed personally on the cfmoto was a lot of creaky cheap feeling plastic and fairings where they'd use stickers instead of paint to get color

[@EpicSocksProductions]

@@drewoke5046I sat on a cf moto a few weeks after buying my ninja and the cf definitely felt worse, it was so creaky and the plastic all felt low quality in comparison.

[@austinwinchester2954]

These guys are all nuts. I’ve owned all three (2018 ninja 400, 2020 R3 x2, and the 450ss). The 450 is BY FAR the best it’s not even close. Followed by the R3 with a throttle tube mod. The seating position on the ninja is awful, constantly crushes your nuts against the tank.

[@callummills5575]

It’s Chinese. Reliability over the 0.5% performance any day

[@HerbtasticHerbdaddy]

Insurance on a CFMOTO 450SS is far more expensive than a Ninja 400. More expensive than a BMW 1250. I compared full coverage on progressive.

[@austinwinchester2954]

Voom has great rates. I used to have progressive but their rates were outrageous

[@Bold_as_a_Lion]

I want a CF 600 bad! I love the styling. I want a little more engine and a bigger back tire and I would buy it tomorrow.

[@retrothruster2539]

I want some of the 400 on mountain roads, I know my 450ss will pull it corner to corner, then the ergonomics, great brakes, stiff suspension will make it superior, stock to stock of course. Gearing ratios on the CF corner to corner are perfect, you think in the lower gears that the CF isn't that fast but banging gears 3-5, it mph's really well, that means fast btw... Old expert roadracer here, no better than anyone else but do know enough to be dangerous. Gonna put some super stickies on and take it to Deals soon, downhill sections, watch out:)

[@FirdausAmir]

13:06 you can get a lot after market race parts from Taobao, like wheels, rear set, suspension

[@dinisssousa]

💀

[@HelmutGaming]

Who uses Taobao?... 💀

[@joemangune]

Wow nice comparison video. These are the two bikes Im thinking of getting…..👍🧐

[@driftpanda9072]

The 450ss gives off max steel vibes

[@Alen-DK]

Cfmoto literally shits on the ninja , quiet embarrassing honestly

[@carlfreiermuth5424]

my question would be: is the cfmoto smoother over the bumps due to the heavier weight? if it's more comfortable, faster, 270 crank, plus more streetable powerband with lots of over rev.. well the cfmoto sounds pretty good.. but i really do prefer the appearance of the ninja 400 and the analog tachometer.. can't all bikes just be inline 4's.. i learned on a 600 yammy so these twins seem so cheaply made to me but i guess the economy is shot with all this inflation

[@Caveni1]

Girlfriend and I went to get her a beginner bike, although I wanted her to go with the ninja because I’ve had two when she sat on and saw the CF Moto she was hooked. Can’t deny they weren’t super flashy with the design.

[@ymxjack]

Im after your opinions guys. So I have a 300SR and had it for the past 5000kms with no problems whatsoever, which is why im looking at getting the 450SR as my next bike. With the 300SR it is more hunkered over with that sporty positioning. I have tried the Ninja 400 which is more forward and upright. Now looking at this video it feels like the 450SR also has that sporty positioning. All factors aside what will determine which bike I get is how I feel when riding it. Short distance rides, either bike would do but for long distance riding, would the 450SR be more painful on your neck and back than the 400? I am a shorter bloke 5'6 so I do feel the sporty positioning more than you tall guys out there.

[@hypedtarzan]

Honestly its weird cfmoto gave that as a loaner bike for advertising. CFMoto still has the 450 oil filter on back order. They need better stock before trying to sell more

[@byhsu6140]

I would get the ninja 500, it has a similar size engine to the cfmoto 450ss, but it's more powerful and lighter too

[@AdriannesWorld]

CFMoto 450ss is not available in SouthAfrica .I think i will get the ninja 400 but i really love the looks of that CFMoto

[@Bold_as_a_Lion]

The looks, the sound, the display, the engine, I don’t see why anyone would choose the ninja other than the fact that the ninja has more parts available. They really nailed the CF.

[@the_one_with_big_sad5582]

Hey Yammie! I've been watching ur videos for about 2 years now maybe 3 but I'm about to a motorcycle lmao. I was looking into the Honda cbr 650r and I was wonder what ur thoughts and stuff were on the bike?

[@chaseschubert6711]

I know yam does not like the cbr500r but I am not sure on his opinions of the 650 🤔

[@williamdavis4809]

He hates it as well

[@jacoschade9172]

Hey guys here in South africa we pay around $6300 for the Ninja and would suspect the CFMoto to be a bit cheaper. But sadly we don not yet have them here...

[@stardust-rd6mr]

Is it better than the R7?

[@MinhVu-in9iz]

Ninja 400, it’s got a bulletproof reliable history with tons of aftermarket support!!

[@djwille88]

Saw the cfmoto the other day in a store parking and talked to the owner. Bike looks better in person and sounds great! I’ve owned a 2016 rc390 20k miles, looking to pickup the cfmoto.

[@blueyed_gemini6420]

I am 42 bigger guy 250 buying my first bike. I've road quads, 4 wheelers and even 3 wheelers, I was looking at the 400, but came across the 450 one day. Keep going back and forth on which one. With me being a bigger heavier guy would the 450 be a better option. I had a sales man try to talk me into a 800 I walked away think that is WAY to much bike for me.

[@dizzy0187]

I weigh a bit more than you and the 450 is a blast. Does well in city and gets to highway speeds just fine

[@Mavis-s9l]

I love you not because who you are,but because who I am when I am with you.

[@hamoodrex]

Now we need a video where you guys talk about just regular bikes. I'm not the kind of guy that wants to go 200+ km/h on the road. But at the same time, im not looking for a budget 250 bike that cannot overtake for its sake. You keep mentioning 300-500 range as if it is something only for beginners. What if I just want to spend my entire life doing only this much power. it depends from person to person. But we need a battle of the bikes that can be used for lifetime. How long can a ninja 400 stay in my garage? will it work on city busy roads, day to day commutes? Can it stay in my garage till my kids grow up? etc... Can you please post more bike content about people that want to buy them just for commuting and getting across the city in a safe manner? I say this also as a 23 year old, in my country I am limited with a 125cc. Eventhough my bike gets me to my destination, when it comes to overtaking or going highway speeds, it does nothing. So, I want to focus my search on the more reliable, lasting, power bikes. I get that chance next year when I hit 24 wooo

[@zynsworld6981]

I love my 455SS

[@61193alexis]

I'm new to this and I'm still looking for a 1st bike. Idk if I want the N400, the Honda R500, or the CF450.

[@jeremyclarkson-69]

You meet the nicest people in a Honda

[@ajweimer5825]

I didn’t do research before getting the 450 5 months ago trust me they are giving a one sided opinion if you want a proven brand go Kawasaki if you want everything and anything else go cf moto. No debate

[@TrumpTwenty]

So u regret the 450ss?

[@PetesShow]

Cant wait for the vs rs457 comparisons.

[@chipcopp5286]

Is it a good beginner bike for a bigger guy who's new to bikes? 6'2 260 lbs?

[@benbrunner7730]

Gotta think the exhaust on that 450 is a lot heavier than that aftermarket one on the kawi

[@tifith]

I hate it when people say the 450 looks like the 400 because I think that's completely false, I think the 450 deserves more praise and actually resembles a ducati 950 a lot more than the ninja, and I will die on that mountain.

[@williamrose2506]

I'm not comfortable with calling these "Beginner" bikes. These are serious motorcycles and capable of rapid acceleration and high speeds. If one of my offspring were going to buy a motorcycle to learn on, I'd suggest a 125 or 250cc bike.

[@nameless4031]

If one bike starts early and is going 3 mph faster before the other bike begins to race, the first bike will continue to pull away at the rate of 3 MPH even if both bikes accelerate identically, so don't think that because the Kawi didn't reel the CF Moto back in that the Kawi is slower.

[@MacalusoWoodworking4777]

Really love to win a ninja, wanted one since I was a kid. New rider, goin for endorsement next yr

[@Beanerds]

As a CFMOTO rider for 6 years ( 650NK ) yammie , you have sold out ! Mine is 75hp , Ninja 650 ( same engine ) is 75hp due to a Ducati ECU that's ' Tuneable ' but mate !!! I still have and love my NK where all my mates have ,,, as you say have gone to the ' Big Bike ' carry on , yes they have hit 1400cc , 1300cc , 1000cc fast ' Big bikes ' as you and your Mate say ,, guess what ? 75% have given up bikes , got married and now drive Toyota's ..... Me Mate ? ,, 50,000 km , and my CFMOTO is still going strong , 50 miles to and from work every day . 5 days a week in horrendous traffic going home , but at 4am when I am riding to work ,,, sweet .sits well on 120-130kph . ps. there are a few ' Go Fast ' ,"OE's for CFMOTOS today ,, ask KTM ( built by CFMOTO ) .

[@dalecochran02]

I feel like the cf moto is restricted from the factory. I have no idea what I’m talkin about but I think if you flash it it’ll EAT a ninja 400

[@fireballyang7310]

Yes the engine output is limited. It has to do with the driveshaft which you can't much with it. Cfmoto does it on purpose. Unless someone makes aftermarket driveshaft

[@blakshivam]

maybe it is limited to prevent the engine parts from getting damaged. chinese brands are not known to use the best quality materials.

[@fireballyang7310]

Salty. Bearing and driveshaft are from well known brands same as KTM. Way batter parts compare to Japanese entry level bike. Do your study before you make salty comments.@@blakshivam

[@Black_Drako]

​@@fireballyang7310this aged well...

[@ToddyBaller21]

Ninja is sexy in those colours. Shame in New Zealand they’re pre much only neon green options

[@RTK171]

Ok i have a CF MOTO 450SR they red line at 10500 rpm i have vdo on KZbin of my vandemon exhaust sound check it out Pros: Great brakes Good torque Handles well Build quality is good. Price point good Cons : paint quality is so so Electrics are average especially blinker relays Bike is built back to front 👇 in some areas Throttle grip houseing is crazy odd and clipons retainer bolts are underneath And to remove the rear sets you have to remove the swing arm pivot spline The bike has huge potential if you spend some money and time on it

[@diggy-d8w]

NammieYoob is a world renown Sales Rep & CFMoto Spokesman calling it, "Inviting"....... you GO Boy & too much ain't enough! Interesting critique -n- comparison > >> > To be honest w/ you; You've sold me on both so just send the pair ~ peace man

[@gkrebs6636]

I call him Mr.Potato Head

[@diggy-d8w]

I just found him but watched him like 5-6 yrs ago. I thought he was funny but then he laid his bike down at night & hit his head or something plus something about a guardrail? Last I knew he was calling it quits & focused on his music stuff? IDKnow but here he is going all out BIKE's ......guess he healed but he's still mental = I like it. Mr Potato Head.... that's a term of endearment Yup. peace

[@michaelmcdonald1620]

you can appreciate the honesty when the CF was a loaner bike and they still gave the nod to the N400

[@tranquilmeditationsessions]

hm almost like its safe and they give one away every month

[@michaelmcdonald1620]

@@tranquilmeditationsessions I doubt they're getting free ninjas every month to give away lol

[@callumrdavis]

@@michaelmcdonald1620 they don’t get given them. Yammie just buys them and gives them away. Paid for by his store revenue I think. Seems to work for him or he’d stop doing it I guess.

[@michaelmcdonald1620]

@@callumrdavis that was my understanding as well.. it's an investment in his business.. the other gentleman in the comments seemed to indicate that kawi just sends yami give away bikes by his "safe" remark

[@Etinaver]

it's night and day. CFMoto is coming along nicely but its years away from any mainstream brand yet it terms of quality.

[@brandonpare2349]

Can you guys pls do an updated comparison between the 400 or 500 and the 2024 450SS?

[@JessicaSimonson1976]

The ninja isn't really a good choice not big on old school tech, on bikes made on 2023-2024. We have progressed in 2023. I think Kawasaki get complacent and thinks they have no worries. Yamah ma and KTM have taken notice of CF Moto and have both partnered with CF Moto with CF Moto owning majority shares of both partnerships.

[@keewoon2819]

YESS! THANK YOU @yammienoob ! LIKED THIS VIDEO EVEN BEFORE I WATCH IT!

[@rimreaper7488]

The 450ss sounds so much better

[@isaiahfurrow7414]

Is it an entire horsepower more, or a few ugga duggas less than 1hp? The extra 450cc must be to make the exhaust note just a bit extra throaty... Would the extra weight be a plus in any way, maybe highway traffic or wind or?

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

I’m holding out for the Aprillia rs 457

[@snoopycharlie8718]

Same bike, different fairings, no?

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

@@snoopycharlie8718 Was not aware of that. Documentation I've read does not indicate the Aprillia will be a rebadged CFMoto. If you heard that can you share your source?

[@snoopycharlie8718]

@@IDontKnow-bb6mt No source to link here but did see a couple videos stating similarity. Engine displacement is the exact same. Also has 270degree crank, dimensions and style are very similar. Seems to have come very suddenly. CF Moto also does KTM stuff and Yamaha partnership just signed. Wouldn't be surprised if shared platform etc. 😬

[@IDontKnow-bb6mt]

@@snoopycharlie8718 Just did a quick comparison of the pictures of both bikes. Not even close. Frame and swingarm are leagues different. They could share the engine because yes CF Moto does make engines for other MFG's.

[@Narong3430]

I called a few motorcycle shops here in the spring/Houston area and they all told me that they will not touch any Chinese bike. I kind of want one but most likely I won’t be purchasing one.

[@sathishrao7926]

CFMoto entered Indian market 5 years or so ago and their motorcycles were on display in some Malls, but I haven’t seen even a single CFMoto onroad in these 5 years !

[@TfromDaygo]

Maybe it just doesn’t appeal to the market over their yet .

[@hexadecimal1517]

To be fair, India's laws regarding vehicle sales makes it hard to market anything in India that isn't built there. If CFMoto opens a factory there in the future (given KTM already has one in India) their bikes may appeal more to your country.

[@sathishrao7926]

@@hexadecimal1517 Negative sentiments towards Chinese brands have also played a role here. Note that Bajaj that manufactures KTMs (and now baby Triumphs) owns close to 50% of KTM!