What If Harley Quinn Was In Batman 89?

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[@RomaroBrandon]

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[@jacobwilliams919]

Dude she was in the Batman 89 movie

[@randolphhicks8208]

What if Superman was in Batman Returns

[@keegansandlin]

Channel Awesome I Would Like To See Sweeney Todd On A Future FanScription!

[@Harri927]

What if Catwoman is blamed for the murder of the Ice Princess in Batman Returns when Batman uses a glue grenade on Catwoman's feet and Penguin accidentally frames Catwoman.

[@mrgreatbigmoose]

6:37 my jaw hit the floor. The impressions are spot on! Well done and gimme more!

[@seannanana84]

Lori Petty would have been a phenomenal Harley in the right era, she has those big blue eyes and she is believable as vunerable and pyschotic crazy

[@somerandolad]

She would've nailed the role!

[@SeasideDetective2]

Was she even on the radar in the late '80s, though? This might have been her big debut film, and it just seems to me that you wouldn't want your first major role to be behind clown makeup. Why not Julie Brown instead? Watch SHAKES THE CLOWN to see her both talking in a Harley-like "baby doll" voice AND dressed as a clown in one major scene! I doubt Burton would appreciate someone so non-Burtonish on his set, though.

[@shareefhaddad2377]

Well, Lori was in Tank Girl, and I can get how it’d remind Margot Robbie’s fans of her take on Harley.

[@MrGabeanator]

nice

[@ashleytuchin7693]

When I was a kid, I thought that Alicia was supposed to be Harley.

[@1406-u7q]

Me too, in fact she was gave inspiration for dc animated to create harley quinn

[@gaminganimators7000]

Same

[@thomasgoree7976]

Yep I always thought that Alicia was the inspiration for Harley Quinn in the animated series

[@nerdsquid9951]

As a kid I knew it wasn’t meant to be Harley but I always pretend like it was her kind of like how I always thought that one guy was Harvey Bullock just because my child brain always like to make a connection to everything

[@dancastro5869]

Same

[@alltheinnocence]

That Jack Nicholson impression is crazy

[@SerpentNight]

Fun fact: Tracey Walter (Bob) has been in nine movies with Jack Nicholson.

[@user-hf9hf6hw8j]

@The Duke I just want you to know, that for some reason this made me laugh for about 5 minutes. I'm not quite sure what I found so funny. But thank you for pointing this out.

[@brandonprater4613]

Another Fun Fact: Jack Nicholson told the producers he wouldn't be in the movie unless his friend, Tracey Walker, could have a role as well!

[@SerpentNight]

@Joshua Skaug Thanks.

[@Maniac536]

They must be good friends. Devito’s good friend the late Vincent S, was the monkey trainer in Batman Returns.

[@Wil_Dsense]

SO , he was shot by the Joker, but like a cat with 9 lives, appeared to be in 8 more movies with Jack, making 9 in total. Soyou could say the 'Bob' Cat, has 9 Lives

[@alexkeiser2943]

12:39 - 13:04 and 13:41 - 13:52 That is exactly what I'd imagine Her looking like in a Tim Burton Style.

[@expendableindigo9639]

Kinda how she looks in Batman: Dark Prince Charming.

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

Cast Arleen Sorken. She looked like Harley and was the voice.

[@berniedavis6676]

She's retired from acting. I know, I want her back too.

[@Volvagia1927]

​@@berniedavis6676 That's now, not 1989. But she probably couldn't at the time. It's hard enough to balance a weekly show and a film career. Arleen Sorkin, at the time this would have been shooting, was, somehow, balancing the weekly show Duet AND a role on Days of Our Lives. She was BOOKED.

[@berniedavis6676]

Very true. Michael j fox had a very hard time balancing his role for family ties and his role for back to the future, so I can see it could have been a bit conflicting for Arlene if that would have happened. But we'll never know who tim burton would have cast as Harley Quinn.

[@alexanderasher3461]

Arleen was the inspiration for Harley.

[@Loremastrful]

Would have been my choice too. But Burton definitely has a type and Sorkin doesn't fit that mold. Not for some with this kind of role.

[@TheLastBabyMan]

Burton: "Were trying to stay away from goofy Batman as far as possible." Also Burton: 16:10 *Joker pulls out a comically large gun*

[@srstriker6420]

TheLastBabyMan and with Prince music

[@SeasideDetective2]

In Tim's defense, he did not write that scene and did not approve of the Prince songs either, but BATMAN was a very "corporate" movie and Burton did not have the final say on what would be done (unlike on BATMAN RETURNS, where he was co-producer as well as director). Anyway, even if you want to make Batman non-goofy, that doesn't mean THE JOKER can't be goofy.

[@srstriker6420]

SeasideDetective2 that he should be more like Ledger or Phoenix?

[@SeasideDetective2]

@@srstriker6420 I always thought the best kind of Batman movie was one in which Batman was super-serious and the villain was goofy. It would make the villain all that much of an asshole, because Batman would be grim and tormented and the villain would be constantly mocking him.

[@srstriker6420]

SeasideDetective2 well that what I see in Batman

[@geardog24]

She would probably be killed by the Joker over something trivial.

[@dackdack8047]

Jojo reference

[@srstriker6420]

geardog24 ironic

[@kurisu7885]

Hasn't that happened in most media anyway?

[@srstriker6420]

kurisu7885 no but this could be the first time doing it

[@melissam597]

Story of her life!

[@RagamuffinBabyDoll]

Lori Petty as Harley Quinn would’ve been a good idea especially since that would’ve made her role as Livewire in Superman: the animated series a throwback to being a DC character before.

[@vincentmartinez8241]

I loved Lori Petty's take on Livewire in the Superman Animated Series. She kinda of reminded me of an evil Gwen Stefani!

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

She voiced Livewire?!?

[@vincentmartinez8241]

@@MrBlueSkyof1607 Yes and she was amazing!

[@mickael486]

We would have gotten a Harley Quinn spin off movie many many years ago.

[@seanbhoycfc4834]

I'm glad you did THIS Fanscription because I've often thought Jack Napier/Joker's weak spot for attractive Blondes and his treatment of them may have been an inspiration for Harley Quinn as TAS does carry over a few things from Burton's Batman. The theme, the original design of the penguin, keeping the name Jack Napier as the Joker's real name and more. Maybe I'm wrong but how the Joker makes Alicia "A living work of art" How he breaks her mentally and 1 piece of dialogue in particular to Vicky "It's as though we were made for each other" Beauty and the Beast" Of course if anyone else calls you beast I'll rip their lungs out" His manner towards the 2 of them in Batman '89 is very like how he treats Harley. They wanted to give the Joker a girlfriend and I think this movie could have given them some ideas as to what that relationship would be like.

[@srstriker6420]

Seanbhoy CFC how true

[@srstriker6420]

Seanbhoy CFC what if penguin didn’t die in Batman Returns?

[@seanbhoycfc4834]

@@srstriker6420 Interesting Thought :)

[@srstriker6420]

Seanbhoy CFC thank you

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

I always thought Joker's GF was a proto-Harley.

[@srstriker6420]

The Bronze Age of DC Comics so did I

[@kyriss12]

I actually thought she was Harley till I found out that she was an animated series original.

[@srstriker6420]

kyriss12 yeah and then there was Gaggy

[@SeasideDetective2]

For a while Warner Brothers WAS seriously considering introducing Harley in the (supposed) fifth Batman film, BATMAN TRIUMPHANT. The idea was going to be that Harley Quinn was either Alicia Hunt (who had survived somehow) or Jack Napier's daughter out to avenge her father's death. Madonna and Jenny McCarthy were both floated as possible castings. By that time, though, Internet message boards and chat rooms had become a major phenomenon, so the studio must have realized that it would take many years of brainstorming before they'd be able to fully please the fans, and that they might have to throw out the original continuity altogether.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

As a kid who watched Batman: TAS weekdays at 4:30 on Fox Kids and afterward Batman ‘66 on FX, I used to think that Queenie, the Joker’s gun moll from Batman ‘66 was supposed to be the same character as Harley Quinn. I thought _Quinn_ was supposed to be _Queen._ kzbin.info/www/bejne/fmLLkqiDaMuYaqs

[@indiecinemaster4699]

Seeing Alexander Knox in Crisis was one of my FAVORITE cameos.

[@TaliaIGhul]

I hope you're watching, big guy.

[@DemonicAlduin]

To watch crisis do you need to be up to date with the arrowverse shows as I am only on series 5 of Arrow, Series 3 of flash, series 2 of Supergirl. But I really want to watch it but i'm not sure I'll understand it.

[@indiecinemaster4699]

@@DemonicAlduin I don't watch much of Arrow, Batwoman, or Suprgirl. I just watch the crossovers on those shows & mostly watch Flash & Legends.

[@DemonicAlduin]

@@indiecinemaster4699 so simply put the answer is no to not needing to be caught up lol

[@indiecinemaster4699]

@@DemonicAlduin Not exactly, just watch the crossovers and a few specific episodes and that's it.

[@Oonagh72]

Lori Petty voiced Livewire. She was in an Batman episode with Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy. I think your retelling is excellent. You were able to balance smart and ditzy that I couldn’t honestly envision until now. I love the thought!

[@HALO20601]

Idea! Gotham City Sirens with Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman, Uma Thurman's Poison Ivy, and Laurie Petty's Harley Quinn.

[@kamenfann8880]

YES

[@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme]

Or Emma stone Anne Hathaway Margot robbie

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

I prefer Nicole Kidman as Ive.

[@proteus2103]

Y'all had me at "What if Harley"

[@proteus2103]

What if harley what?! lol

[@user-hf9hf6hw8j]

@@proteus2103 UH OH! It looks like we found the real clown! Replying to your own comments? For shame!!!

[@user-hf9hf6hw8j]

This guy above me seems to have a good point

[@gaminganimators7000]

@@proteus2103 you replied to your own comment.

[@proteus2103]

@@user-hf9hf6hw8j Quarantine hittin hard, huh?

[@TaliaIGhul]

I always thought Tank Girl looked like Harley....

[@seanstrange1192]

so does night bitch from kickass 2

[@cottontail1039]

@@seanstrange1192 I need to see those "Kickass" movies.

[@seanstrange1192]

@@cottontail1039 imo the first one is awesome . the 2nd one is just ok

[@mask_vids9834]

Talia al Ghul now Harley looks like tank girl.

[@MildMisanthropeMaybeMassive]

Sam Hamm admitted that Alicia from Batman ‘89 was based on the comic character of Circe, Black Mask’s supermodel fiancee who he disfigures. And the mask she wears is based on the same one from _Eyes Without a Face._

[@SeasideDetective2]

But, if I recall correctly, wasn't Circe actually an ugly hag under that mask?

[@jareththegoblinking3191]

Just gonna say it, Tara Strong voices nearly all the Quinn's She made a brief cameo on Arrow with her Harley voice and her blonde hair and says she's a trained therapist, defintely live action Harley she plays Just saying, Margot Robbie is okay, but Tara, she is da bomb and should always be Harley

[@cottontail1039]

Yeah, but her voice just isn't right to me.

[@melissam597]

I don’t like Tara

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@melissam597 I would rather have Hynden Walch as Harley. I respect Tara...but her Harley voice seems more focused on sounding utterly obnoxious.

[@expendableindigo9639]

@@mitchfletcher2386 I honestly thought Hynden's was a bit obnoxious too. Arleen and Tara are fine.

[@melissam597]

Mitch Fletcher completely agree

[@gavingwinn4277]

Ally Sheedy would’ve been so cool as a 90’s live action Harley Quinn.

[@anthonycerulli5524]

No. Demi moore would of been better

[@gavingwinn4277]

Anthony Cerulli I disagree. But we’ve all got different opinions. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@labbaby189]

Yeah, Ally Sheedy was the go to repressed crazy chick of the late 80s.

[@HelgaCavoli]

We'll never know.

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

Well, I thought Madonna would've been great. She actually almost played her for the fifth Batman that never happened.

[@CactusJackIV]

Would have been interesting to see how Harley Quinn was cast as. I do not believe they would have made the model "Joker/Jack" killed her.

[@SeasideDetective2]

If BATMAN had been a cartoon (and I would still really like to see an animated adaptation of it, by the way), the perfect choice would have been Mae Questel, the voice of Betty Boop (on whom Harley appears to have been partly modeled). She was nearly 80 years old when filming began on this movie, but she was still getting fairly major roles, such as in WHO FRAMED ROGER RABBIT and NATIONAL LAMPOON'S CHRISTMAS VACATION. Jean Hagen also portrayed a Harley-like character in SINGIN' IN THE RAIN, and was trained as a radio actress, so she (probably) could have done the voice if she hadn't died nearly a dozen years earlier. But when it comes to a live-action version, both would of course be ruled out. But Cyndi Lauper, Marisa Tomei, and certain others spring to my mind.

[@WarhawkBeyond2040]

Tim Burton's movies have always been crazy, very gothic and a bit wacky at times, so i believe the Harley Quinn character would have fit in very nicely into that world and would have made a great foil for The Joker. I know this choice in casting might be questionable to some people but i think Sharon Stone would have been amazing as Harley Quinn, aside from being very sexy especially at that time, she's a very versatile actress and i believe she would have done a wonderful job in the role. She would have been able to channel the craziness of Harley Quinn and the serious psychologist aspects of Dr Harleen Quinn as well as looking incredible in the black and red costume depending on if they were going to use that design. Either way i would have casted Sharon Stone.

[@SeasideDetective2]

What, so she should flash her white crotch and green bush during that Smylex commercial? ("Only your undertaker knows for sure!")

[@mitchfletcher2386]

@@SeasideDetective2 ...maybe.

[@countbitcoin1324]

Who would be a good Harley Quinn? I was like: That Girl who was Tank Girl would be perfect. Little did I know Lori Petty is who you picked

[@johnenigma8506]

What if Harley Quinn was in Joker 2019?

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

Harley works better to be introduced after Joker is an established villain.

[@srstriker6420]

Professor Nichols agree

[@johnenigma8506]

Knowing what we know now, what if the Joker imagined Harley Quinn?

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

@@johnenigma8506 Duuude

[@hufflepuffsith5465]

She probably wouldn't really exist

[@DareToBeDeviant]

I've always wanted to know what the Harley Quinn would be like for Heath Ledger's joker. Yes, he was free spirited but did take interest.

[@melissam597]

I think it would have been awesome, they could have made her really dark and disturbed - and I feel like they’d have been on more of an equal level than Joker and Harley usually are

[@titod.7012]

No girl would get within 50 feet of Heaths Joker willingly. His Joker was the ultimate loner.

[@titod.7012]

@Joshua Hodgson i never implied it wouldnt be the same.

[@moeg3518]

DareToBeDeviant Brittany Murphy

[@SeasideDetective2]

Her character simply would not have fit into THE DARK KNIGHT. That is a very hard-edged, serious movie...and what's more, even the female characters, with the exception of that sexy Russian ballerina, are not glamorous or cutesy. Nobody would ever have a pinup of Rachel Dawes or Ana Ramirez on their wall.

[@M.W.K6996]

FanScription: What If Jack Frost Became The Villain in "Rise of the Guardians"?

[@srstriker6420]

M .W. K what if princess Ahmanet wins by taking Nick as her husband?

[@meganshaw1949]

Why not get rid of both Bob and Alicia? That'd give Harley even more screen-time. However, she shouldn't die like Bob and Alicia's implied death. Harley deserves better.

[@rossdiamondthief6627]

That’s what they did here I feel like. They combined both Bob and Alicia to make Harley's character

[@tanzinitetheterrible4910]

Always Great to see these Types of Videos

[@ryiin]

The impressions are really good.

[@jacobnavarro2442]

Who would She be played by? That's my really question

[@yakunohayashi9653]

On the canceled sequel, she was gonna be played by Madonna

[@jaytender4949]

Yakuno Hayashi Wait what?? What cancelled sequel??

[@yakunohayashi9653]

@@jaytender4949 there was planned to make a sequel after Batman and Robin, but....you know how awfull it was

[@Guernicaman]

Helena Bonham Carter. She wasn't all that well known at the time, but a side character wouldn't have been cast by a well-known actor anyway & I can see Burton easily casting HBC as his vetsion of Harley Quinn.

[@noenya8047]

I picked Daryl Hannah

[@kdisley]

I would love to see Lori Petty in the role... purely because it would be so weird to play Dr Quinzell in the early scenes. Imagine someone like Petty playing a tight-assed, humourless psychiatrist to contrast her switch to Harley... We've seen her play all types of crazy, I think it'd be great to see her _underplay_ a role for once. I think that'd be creepier than anything else!

[@Thoralmir]

"PUDDIN'!' "At this point, he probably is."

[@treyjrawlins]

Fairuza Balk would’ve been perfect for 90’s Harley Quinn.

[@neoasura]

Definitely for a mid-late 90s Batman, but the 1989 one she would've been too young at 15. See her in Valmont that year.

[@brandonprater4613]

... I could see that.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Hasn't Harley always been a blue-eyed blonde, though? Balk has blue eyes, but otherwise doesn't fit the image. And I've noticed that brunettes who dye their hair blonde usually don't look quite right.

[@niashacoombs2419]

13:34 that scared the shit out of me

[@srstriker6420]

Niasha Coombs yeah

[@joshlostintime8689]

OMG... I LOVE this What If! The inclusion of new characters into old continuities! Keep it up, Channel Awesome!

[@SeasideDetective2]

They actually already did this in the BATMAN '66 comics series, which effectively retells the saga of the '60s TV Batman with more modern sensibilities. There we see a very familiar character in the form of "Holly Quinn," a psychiatrist who works with the Joker at the Arkham Institute (which is where the costumed villains are incarcerated in this version in place of the Gotham Penitentiary). It's very interesting to see a thoroughly professional and no-nonsense Harley, completely normal and without even a hint of her future madness (though "coincidentally" attired in a diamond-patterned full-skirted dress and pair of pointed spectacles that you could indeed imagine a "career woman" wearing in the workplace during the '60s); when Harley/Holly DOES eventually go crazy, it's all the more dramatic for that. There were plans to come out with a similar BATMAN '89 series that would revisit Tim Burton's interpretation, but sadly those plans fell through.

[@TheSameGoobyGuy]

*Harley:* trying to hit Vicki with a metal rod *Batman:* having a cup of tea with joker’s henchmen

[@FireLight_Zero]

Batman: *produces a satchel of cashews* "Wanna get nuts?"

[@Averagebasementman]

Thank god you didn’t replace Bob with Harley. He’s too important to this joker to be left out. Not to mention Jack Nicholson wanting Tracey Walter in the movie.

[@tj112286]

Damn! Brad Jones has that sexy voice. 😏

[@van8ryan]

She would've looked like CORPSE BRIDE or some very stitch-esque figure.

[@0g0dn0]

Great rewrite, an excellent character fusion and a perfect set of misfit lovers for a classic Burton story. I would have liked to see her introduction scene played out, I can only imagine how frightening it would be. For my own part, Alicia fascinated me. I was fresh off the Adam West show the first time I saw this, so I'd never seen anything like it in Batman lore before, not only was post-scarring Alicia beautiful and sad, her presence alone communicated so much unspoken horror about the Joker's character that I couldn't ignore her. Just being there, wearing that mask, shadowing him like a ghost, it spoke volumes in a few seconds of screentime. Her very presence said more about the Joker than any random throwaway line of dialogue or gratuitous scene of torture and murder could. That he could do that to someone who loved him was horrible, and yet it was exactly the kind of character he was. I had always thought of Alicia as the proto-Harley, or more accurately I thought of Harley as the Alicia character fully realized. The animated series was meant to follow the films in a loose way, and the Joker's abusive treatment of Harley seemed to echo Alicia's tragically understated fate. Of course, I also tend to think of Harley as the validation of Joker's thesis in the Killing Joke, that anyone can become like him after one bad day. As you said, Harley was a product of her time, and whether her creators intended it or not, her character took on a deeper meaning to me in the shadow of these essential Batman stories. The world of Gotham City was waiting for her, there was a Harley-shaped hole in the lore waiting to be filled, and this one throwaway henchwoman character filled it up but good, elevated to staggering heights by the meaning we assigned to her.

[@srstriker6420]

0g0dn0 or Echo from Gotham the tv series

[@SeasideDetective2]

Not really. The dynamic of Burtonian romance is usually "two lovers who can't be together because either one or both of them is/are crazy." When you have two crazy lovers who DO mesh well, that isn't Burtonian. That's more like BONNIE AND CLYDE or NATURAL BORN KILLERS.

[@allangibbs4300]

5 stars, 2 thumbs way up, 10 out of 10! This was a f******* awesome fan scription. Brad Jones for DC'S next Joker

[@srstriker6420]

Allan Gibbs now what if penguin didn’t die in batman returns and Tim Burton directing Batman 3 with Robin Williams as the Riddler

[@rdp16rulez]

Or Harley Quinn in The Dark Knight?

[@srstriker6420]

rdp16rulez a bit too much because you have to develop Two Face in the movie as well

[@alvarer1]

Harley Quinn in Batman 89 would’ve been a interesting idea and cool. This is the best. Next do What if Tim Burton directed Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.

[@srstriker6420]

Ruben Alvarez well Robin Williams would be the Riddler for one thing and what if penguin didn’t die in batman returns?

[@romansionis8238]

Joker: Tell me kid did you ever danced with the Devil in the pale Moonlight

[@Wilmeiser]

I knew it! The second I read that title I thought, "Lori Petty."

[@TheSameGoobyGuy]

16:47 joker actually looking at the gun was too perfect

[@galaxy-ninja-omega2394]

She'd have good costume design for one

[@srstriker6420]

Galaxy-Ninja -Omega yeah

[@Pidaanma]

0:57 Yes, she's purr-fect !^^

[@brycevo]

I sorta like the head canon that the blonde was Jack Napier's Harlequin

[@codeoptimizationware2803]

@Bryce McKenzie: Nah. Jack Napier's ladyfriend was a fashion-model (and [allegedly] threw herself from her high-rise apartment window), while Harley Quinn was a psychologist on the staff of Gotham City's Arkham Asylum.

[@brycevo]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 reread the comment

[@elementalcobalt1]

@@codeoptimizationware2803 Dude... the last I checked, the Joker was a mysterious figure with no name or origin story. It's called creative license. If Joker can be a mobster, why can't she be a fashion-model?

[@codeoptimizationware2803]

@@elementalcobalt1 : D00d, you didn't check very well. We weren't even talking about The Joker, we're talking about Dr. Harleen Frances Quinzel, AKA, "Harley Quinn" (why couldn't you so much as check that in the first place? ???), whom is not so mysterious, cats already out of the bag, so we all already know, so _NO_ , nub. Last you checked, you say, pfft! You plainly didn't check the first most reasonable, even no-brainer source before whatever else to check, didn't even bother to check "from the horse's mouth," or you would've read this already: www.dccomics.com/characters/harley-quinn and shut the hell up instead of bugging me like a lying, hostile, and undoubtedly lazy n00blet. Piss off me, bug, before I swat you yet again. Hey, I recognize you! You're one the "Catwoman's" henchmen! No wonder you knew nothing about "Harley Quinn"! kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnjVo4h7eKxoZ5I Hm, the "Catwoman" sure needs better intelligence/espionage agents in her ranks, wow, does she! Ooh, I am so very, very damned tired of having to flick your bug-like ilk off of me, I swear!

[@SeasideDetective2]

Interestingly, the very first "Joker girl" to appear on the screen, in Cesar Romero's first TV appearance as the Joker, was "Queenie," a character not unlike Harley Quinn. It's basically Nancy Kovack (from JASON AND THE ARGONAUTS) doing a spot-on Marilyn Monroe impression. Not as scatterbrained as Harley, but she got close. And then, Harley herself did a Marilyn imitation in the animated series episode "The Creeper" (while covered in yellow custard!).

[@creditcrazy597]

Is it just me or does snob sounds like he has the hots for everyone he is talking with.

[@anakinskywalker6666]

I'm not sure how Harley would fit in the 1989 batman movie if she had been around then but I like your version that'd be badass

[@kenchristiansen2080]

It is always amazing that a cartoon only character has become a comic book favorite.

[@Chaosfox04]

I love these FanScriptions. I keep imagining something for Tron Legacy. Like What if the younger Sam Flynn was with Kevin Flynn the day that CLU2 carried out his coup and was raised on the Grid? I like movies, but have a hard time thinking of any that could have a What If.

[@ADragonAmongRoses]

That is awesome! Loved the commission line. You guys are awesome at writing fanscription.

[@oldwarriorproductions8411]

“Ladies, please this is a church” haha love that line

[@SeasideDetective2]

I'm sort of disappointed that the Gotham City Cathedral (an inaccurate name, to be nitpicky, because Catholic churches are always named after people and not locations) didn't serve as a more thematic backdrop the way it did in other movies about evil, such as Arnold Schwarzenegger's END OF DAYS, or the funeral scene in THE DEVIL'S ADVOCATE. The screenwriters just wanted a "Gothic" backdrop for the final confrontation, but a lot more could have been done with it. I can see in my mind the Joker conducting a "Black Mass," tying Vicki to the altar and preparing to...well, "ravish" her in the belief that together they could conceive a baby who would grow up to be the Antichrist. Of course, realistically, I know that BATMAN was marketed as a family film and there was no way they could include a scene like that (though I know for sure they could get away with it in the official "Batman" comics), but you could still do something epic, such as having Batman begin hallucinating (which is something that actually happened in Craig Shaw Gardner's novelization) and seeing images of the Joker from the movie done "medieval style" in all the stained-glass windows. If this is ever remade as an animated film (why not?), that's something I would like to see, along with Prince's unused "Dance With the Devil" track.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Speaking of church, I'm always going to wonder what sort of "wedding" the Joker had planned for Vicki Vale. The cathedral was obviously just the site of the "bachelor party," and the helicopter would have taken them somewhere else for the real "ceremony." Of course, it makes perfect sense that the Axis chemical plant would be the Joker's "church," since that's where he was "baptized" in acid and "born again." So I can only imagine what sort of "black Mass" the Joker had planned, and how much creepier it would be now that the Axis building was a burned-out hulk. All I can say for sure is that, given Tim Burton's "Gothic" tendencies, we'd probably get something that would cause the movie to lose its PG-13 rating!

[@Darkdealer651]

cool idea and the design was nice too; almost looked like her eyes were stitched open

[@srstriker6420]

Darkdealer651 yeah and like the art design

[@VickStarkiller]

1. This is really ironic tbh cause when Batman: DarKnight was in development as a sequel to Batman & Robin, there was talk of using Harley Quinn as a villain but she would’ve been the The Joker’s daughter. 2. Lol @ 3:19 3. It would’ve been cool to see this Harley Quinn return with Burton’s Catwoman in that third Burton Batman film that never happened.

[@srstriker6420]

Victor Skywalker what if penguin didn’t die in Batman Returns?

[@SeasideDetective2]

So what would we have then? Tim Burton's version of THELMA & LOUISE? A "woke" feminist agenda injected into the Batman mythos? Didn't we already get that with the animated series' "Harley & Ivy" way back in the day? And would that even work? I don't really consider the BATMAN RETURNS portrayal of Selina Kyle to be feminist, because as Catwoman she hates pretty much everyone, not just men. And in Walter's version of the 1989 BATMAN, Harley isn't mistreated because she is a woman, but because a more attractive woman came along (and yeah, I guess there's a feminist subtext in that, but it's not obvious).

[@OfficialAnimeCitizen]

I love this "What If.." story. It could have worked if Harley was invented sooner.

[@srstriker6420]

The Official AnimeCitizen what if penguin didn’t die in Batman Returns?

[@OfficialAnimeCitizen]

@@srstriker6420 hmmmmm. Arrested and placed in Arkem Asylum. Introducing the area along with the preset character for Batman Forever, Harvey Dent.

[@srstriker6420]

The Official AnimeCitizen ah he doesn’t go to Arkham, he goes to Blackgate

[@clericofchaos1]

Better idea, what if she was in Batman *69* ;) Probably not the first to do that joke, but I had to be sure it was here.

[@ThePathStrider]

You should watch Batman Vs Two-Face.

[@rdp16rulez]

Maybe he means the movie from the 60s. Although that would be tough.

[@ThePathStrider]

@@rdp16rulez Yes, I was .. kind of. There have been two recent animated Batman movies which act as sequels to the sixties show, voiced by Adam West and Burt Ward in their respective roles. The one I mentioned was the second one, and Harley has a cameo in it. But yes, the joke did go over my head.

[@alexanderasher3461]

Harley would have taken Bob’s spot. But I don’t think Joker would have shot Har.

[@alexanderasher3461]

Joshua Hodgson Oh he’s an abuser for sure. But I never think he would kill her.

[@JKRavenBlood]

He wouldn't be succesfull killing her, but yes he reguraly takes potshots at her.

[@robinschicha4712]

"Ah Dear sweet Bob! Rest in Pieces!" You are right, they are in love in this Movie. Jokers First Crush (next to himself).

[@GregOrCreg]

Circa 1989, I think the obvious choices for Harley Quinn would be Madonna (who was suggested for the character prior to the cancellation of Batman Triumphant, which would have been the follow-up to Batman & Robin). Madonna had already played similar platinum blonde Brooklynesque characters in Desperately Seeking Susan and Who's That Girl, and although she was far more popular as a musician than she was as an actor, do remember that she ultimately appeared in the following year's big comic-strip adaptation, Dick Tracy. Rosanna Arquette, who had a knack for playing kooky, slightly unhinged blondes in films like After Hours and the aforementioned Desperately Seeking Susan, is another possibility, as is Melanie Griffith, who played a nutty, albeit benign, character in Something Wild, and a working-class New Yorker type in the previous year's Working Girl. Both were fairly popular circa 1989, and it's likely that Warner Bros would have wanted to cast a fairly big name. Going slightly younger, and thinking of someone that Burton would eventually work with in Ed Wood and Mars Attacks!, I can see Sarah Jessica Parker as Harley Quinn. Virginia Madsen is another then popular name I might consider, particularly if I was going for sex appeal. Plus she's a great actor and can display a dark side.

[@SeasideDetective2]

Yeah, I've noticed that during the late '80s and early '90s, a LOT of Hollywood actresses were getting typecast HARD, and often for the same types of movie roles. Kim Basinger was considered both for Breathless Mahoney in the aforementioned DICK TRACY and for Catherine Trammell (Sharon Stone's role) in BASIC INSTINCT; Michelle Pfeiffer was offered both roles too, I believe. Sean Young nearly got the role of Tess Trueheart in TRACY, and actually was Vicki Vale in this movie before she fell off a horse - and, of course, coveted Pfeiffer's role in BATMAN RETURNS. In fact, the thing I used to really love about movies from this era, and that I now despise when watching them (although the movies are still very good), is that they almost all seem to be clones of each other. (It was also true on MTV, where Prince was deliberately copying Michael Jackson, etc.) Everybody was trying to do the same thing, and movies were getting clichéd. Indeed, as I pointed out before, in the cathedral climax in the version related above makes Harley VERY similar to Breathless Mahoney's alter ego of "The Blank" in DICK TRACY - a female antihero who follows the hero, villain, and distressed damsel to the top of a tower and inserts herself into their battle. That twist ending was written by Jim Cash and Jack Epps, Jr., the same two guys who wrote TOP GUN; but given that Warren Skaaren, the associate producer of that movie, was one of the writers on THIS movie, it wouldn't be hard to imagine Cash and Epps swiping something from him and Sam Hamm.

[@GregOrCreg]

I saw Dick Tracy before Batman '89 (I was too young to see the latter at the cinema, since it was rated '12', whereas the following year's Dick Tracy was rated 'PG'), so when I finally saw Batman '89 in 1991 (and I loved that film so much, I watched in multiple times on a friend's video that summer, and made sure I caught it on Christmas Day when it premiered on BBC1) I was struck by how many scenes seemed to echo various scenes in Dick Tracy (of course, if anything was the 'rip-off' here, it would have been Dick Tracy). The scene in which the city's gangsters are gathered around a long table, whilst the main villain (i.e. The Joker in Batman, and Big Boy Caprice in Dick Tracy) demands their loyalty, followed by the murder of the token dissenter among the crime lords, particularly struck me in terms of similarity. Also, the use of music, in both cases utilising two of the most popular music stars of the era, Prince and Madonna respectively, seemed to be part of a (sadly) short-lived trend in comic-book movies (I say sadly because I am a huge fan of Prince and Madonna, particularly their 80s stuff, and loved the vibe their music brought to these films).

[@SeasideDetective2]

That's right, and Madonna also all but imitated Harley's accent for the song "Cry Baby" on her I'M BREATHLESS album, one of the three(!) soundtrack albums for DICK TRACY. It's really interesting to me how casting in movies has changed dramatically since the '90s, especially for superhero films. I remember that they wanted to make a "Wonder Woman" movie way back in the late '90s/early 2000s, and they were considering for the role of Diana a list of famous names that included professional wrestler Chyna, who was a mainstream figure at the time due to appearing nude in PLAYBOY. But then, two decades later, they ultimately chose Israeli actress Gal Gadot; I can't imagine them having done that back then. (Also, Wesley Snipes was originally supposed to be Prince T'Challa in BLACK PANTHER, but the project got put on hold for years and Snipes got too old to star in it, so they had to go with the much less well-known Chadwick Boseman.)

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

I see her as Harley as well.

[@BrandonCornwell]

Excuse me, you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight?

[@BrandonCornwell]

18:24

[@harsyakiarraathallah2222]

Fan Scription Always do More than what the Directors can ever did.

[@RoninRen]

alright DC comics little something I've been thinking about for a Harley Quinn retcon (don't worry it's mainly for the PG cartoon retcons) long story short as a what if... after falling in love with the Joker instead of becoming his sidekick, she decided to become a superhero instead & yes it is exactly the flip side of the manga Precarious Woman Executive Miss Black General,

[@MrAlman8]

Great fanscription take on the subject. The Venusian clown design would be perfect for Harley's debut & would probably be my favorite version of her. I feel like some of the scenes would be cut out &/or shortened for 1 reason or another. That said a lot of the stuff mentioned would be great to see.

[@SeasideDetective2]

I want to see an animated remake of this movie! THE KING AND I, THE WIZARD OF OZ, and WILLY WONKA AND THE CHOCOLATE FACTORY all got remakes of this type. They could even include all the parts Burton was forced to cut, and cut out all the Prince songs except for the unreleased "Dance With the Devil," which would be ideal for the early parts of the cathedral scene.

[@A113-p9e]

I’d honestly be interested in seeing this “Harley Quinn in the Tim Burton films” be explored more in a later “What If?”.

[@floatingf8783]

18:30 Harley: Oh no, you're not leaving me again. WE'RE A PACKAGE DEAL, PUDDIN'!

[@sumerapaleema610]

Aww. Thanks, Rob. ❤️

[@ItWILLbeWONDERFUL_THERE]

I like this new program!. Keep it going! Thanks Walter!

[@hufflepuffsith5465]

Holy shit, that's awesome. Would also be a decent way to introduce Ivy to the Burton universe. Also, holy fuck Rob and Doug sound almost identical.

[@srstriker6420]

Darth Ulfric what if penguin didn’t die in batman returns?

[@noenya8047]

Oh how about Daryl Hannah as Harley Quinn?!?

[@SeasideDetective2]

After watching KILL BILL, I honestly cannot imagine that.

[@MrKingvenom77]

Pretty interesting what if. I loved it.

[@srstriker6420]

Demetrius Houston what if penguin didn’t die in batman returns?

[@harsyakiarraathallah2222]

this Fan scription is so Good.

[@loudboy317]

"Her job is to be....pretty." No, Alicia's job is to play a key role in Jack Napier's transformation into the Joker. It was her affair with him that caused Carl Grissom to set him up to get busted at the Axis Chemical Factory by the police and to be thrown into a vat of chemicals by Batman. Alicia should've been Harley Quinn in this movie but as you pointed out, Harley didn't exist until Batman: The Animated Series first aired on TV in 1992.

[@captaineri.223]

Who else watch the Harley Quinn animated show? no cap / ima like beggar

[@adyingtribunal6034]

That Jack Nicholson impression 👌

[@talariswatts-el6174]

Great fun video. I love the casting of Laurie Petty as Harley. I agree with most of your ideas but I would make her more in the background like Jerry Hall's character. I would introduce her in the scene where Jack is watching TV and like you said she is a mob psychiatrist appointed by Grissom but they're sleeping together instead. But she's also married to Grissom so all of that easily works and plays out the same as in the movie just in addition she's giving therapy sessions to Jack. The change I would make is to make her a more active hench woman for Joker, have her go mad by Jack's abuse and she becomes Harley Quinn. I would just have her in the background hanging around Jack like Bob until he ultimately kills her. Also I would have her say the "love that Joker" line.

[@MaveriKat]

2:09 Oh but there IS! All you had to look up was "Batman '89 Comic" to get a look at a Tim Burton Harley Quinn. The staff that did "Batman '66" for DC Comics wanted to follow up with "Batman '89", continuing Tim Burton's vision from where he left off in Batman Returns. Such would have included likenesses of of Billy Dee Williams for Two-Face, Robin Williams for The Riddler, Damon Wayans for Robin, and even pencil tests for Harley Quinn, Poison Ivy, and Batgirl were sketched up... ...A Batgirl that reminded me A LOT of Lydia from Beetlejuice, might I add.

[@srstriker6420]

MaveriKat what if penguin didn’t die in batman returns?

[@MaveriKat]

@@srstriker6420 That would be a good What If. Ironically ALL the villains were slated to come back in the final movie. While the Arkham Knight game was the one to see it to fruition, Tim Burton had a similar idea to bring Jack Nicholson back as, "Nightmare Joker". A Howard Stern Scarecrow was to have gotten Batman with a fear Toxin and he would've been harassed by an imaginary Joker... which would have eventually lead up to an imaginary scene in a courtroom where all of Batman's past movie villains were the jury.

[@srstriker6420]

MaveriKat but I hope that Rob Walker gets this message

[@SeasideDetective2]

As far as I've seen, the only glimpse we get of Harley in BATMAN '89 is "Dr. Q," a TV-panel psychologist. She is as far from her crazed alter ego as she could get, reminding me of the similarly straightlaced "Dr. Holly Quinn" in BATMAN '66.

[@MrBlueSkyof1607]

Good news, it's coming back.

[@master-of-many-fandoms2020]

The cop who gives Grissom the photo of Jack and Harleen sounds a little like Jamie Reagan from Blue Bloods.

[@MaybeIMental]

I would put actual bats in the belltower that would be stirred as the fighting happened, then swarm the helicopter. Poetic justice & Batman doesn’t kill.

[@srstriker6420]

MaybeI'Mental oh so she did batman a favour then?

[@SeasideDetective2]

I admit I do like the idea of Harley (accidentally) killing him. That would be most appropriate, the Joker being dragged down to his death - and to hell - by one of his sins. But when I was watching this video, I couldn't help thinking how awkward it would have been if Harley had pulled his pants down when she slipped down. That would have REALLY killed the mood.

[@brandonspain12345]

Honestly after watching My Cousin Vinny, I think Marisa Tomei would be a phenomenal Harley Quinn. She dresses flashy yet punk-like fashion in the movie, has a lot of energy and has a Brooklyn accent that would easily fit with Harley Quinn. Also, this was before she was a superstar actress in the 80s.

[@nurse425]

Ten minutes in and it's already a BETTER version of Batman '89, LOL

[@DC-ms5ip]

a "psych" shout-out? RESPECT

[@Dim4323]

I never liked Margo robbie version Of Harley Quinn, i wish they got someone perfect like Tara strong or someone else. Also i heard they wanted her in batman and robin or batman forever.

[@maninthetrenchcoat5603]

I've heard her voice performance as Harley Quinn. I think in live action it would be really grating, it already is a little in animation.

[@srstriker6420]

Anthony Barratt no it was batman triumphant she meant to be in

[@Danbo22987]

Paul Dini, the creator of Harley, thinks Robbie is perfect and I agree. I’m not really sure why people dislike her portrayal. Probably negative association with the movie that hurts their perception of her

[@dcmarvelcomicfans9458]

@@Danbo22987 it also doesn't help that her jokes aren't funny and she's used for sex appeal plus since my Robbie is very gorgeous she's way too sexy as Harley Quinn but the biggest one of them all is they say that she's both crazier than Joker and a relationship with him is not abusive or manipulative at all but her personality is pretty accurate

[@melissam597]

I’m not a great fan of Tara’s Harley. To me Hynden Welch is the next big thing after Arleen Sorkin.

[@videovoidtv]

Good work guys. I really am enjoying these.

[@karenstarr]

Whomever is doing the voice of Jack is spot on. Sounds just like him. Personally I don't think Harley really fits in Burton's world.

[@srstriker6420]

saya dubre that I can agree on and especially he wanted Robin Williams as the Riddler and superman lives was meant to be in the same universe

[@danmenard6917]

That was the Cinema Snob voicing the Joker.

[@SeasideDetective2]

I agree. Harley is pretty much a 1930s New York stereotype transferred to the modern day. Burton's aesthetic is more post-WWII California, so you can't have anything that clashes too much with that in his films (well, except for all the "Victorian England" imagery).

[@DCMarvelMultiverse]

Great dialogue. Mirrors the other actual lines spoken throughout the film.

[@RedShirtRemyStarship]

Brad Jones as The Joker is strangely fitting. The Snob meets Joker. HA Ha Ha HA

[@deshawnedwards6412]

What if Scarecrow was in Batman 89?

[@dastvan8002]

That was supposed to be in the sequel to Batman & Robin

[@silverdropstudios7323]

Played by Malcolm McDowell

[@srstriker6420]

Silverdrop Studios no it was Nicolas Cage

[@srstriker6420]

Just Some Guy On KZbin yeah and I heard he was meant to be in the third movie

[@SeasideDetective2]

I remember watching BATMAN BEGINS in a theater in 2005 and missing the Burton films' design, characterizations, music - EVERYTHING. I kept waiting for something Burton-ish - or at least Schumacher-ish - to happen. I finally got my wish when the Scarecrow appeared on a horse to threaten Rachel on the street during the Arkham breakout and everyone sees him through the haze of his fear gas. Seeing his "phantom" horse snorting fire and hearing his demonic voice made me think, "This reminds me a lot of 'The Legend of Sleepy Hollow'!" The "Halloween" aspect of Batman was back! Sadly, it didn't last.

[@ronnycollins9125]

Walker, you should DEFINITELY do more of this shit!! Great job!

[@Reprodestruxion]

Jennifer Jason Leigh and ironically , Bridget Fonda

[@SeasideDetective2]

Why "ironically?"

[@Reprodestruxion]

Single white female

[@SeasideDetective2]

Alyssa Milano? She looks a LOT like Nicholson. Could have been his daughter in BATMAN TRIUMPHANT.

[@Reprodestruxion]

@@SeasideDetective2 And finally being married to Danny Elfman

[@DuelScreen]

Great rewrite. I can see this working really well. Good job!

[@theblackgoatofthewoods]

Anne Parillaud could have been a Harley Quinn.... Since she did La Femme Nikita the year after. Nikita are allready a pretty unstable character so she could play a girl who loses her sanity while hooking up with the clownprince of crime

[@rdp16rulez]

Or as someone else said, maybe Bridget Fonda.

[@theblackgoatofthewoods]

@@rdp16rulez true

[@srstriker6420]

The black goat of the woods Madonna

[@theblackgoatofthewoods]

@@srstriker6420 She cant act... She showed her lack of skills in Dick Tracy and A Leage of theirown

[@TheWorstThingEver]

This was actually really great. I'll watch future videos.

[@Imaxxacre1]

I loved Harley Quinn in Batman: The Animated Series, but something about Margot Robbie playing her in live-action makes me want to die.

[@Danbo22987]

Max The creators of Harley have said that Margot Robbie is a perfect live action portrayal, and I agree. Maybe seeing her in a better movie will change your mind

[@VinderHD]

Makes me wanna grab the lotion more like it

[@liamearly4883]

I think she's a good actor. But the material she works with is awful. And she comes off as cringey

[@victorm152]

@@Danbo22987 Here's to Birds of Prey

[@captainbeastwinger4940]

@Christian Tompkins but the version of Harley sucks

[@gingko19]

Nice. But now you will have to do the Nolan, Dark knigt version. Maybe beginning by a cameo as Scarecrow intern in Batman Begins ? On a side note, i would really like to see your version of Frozen 2 the Dark Sister. You put up a hell of cliffanger in this one.

[@christermyrberg3661]

This was pretty interesting take 🤔Could you do a continuation for this one?

[@srstriker6420]

Christer Myrberg yeah what if penguin didn’t die in batman returns

[@MrSinisterSandman]

I'd have assumed Harley Quinn would re-emerge in Alicia Silverstone's place in Batman and Robin, not becoming Batgirl or anything but turning up at the Batcave somehow to be 'rehabilitated', perhaps in a holding cell... and ultimately fighting Ivy off in a claim to fame. Villain versus villain.

[@srstriker6420]

MrSinisterSandman what?

[@MrSinisterSandman]

I meant if the 'Harley in Burton's Gotham' story continued. Edited.

[@srstriker6420]

MrSinisterSandman right but Harley and penguin team up might be interesting since they did that in Devinatart and what if penguin was spared in batman returns?

[@Boethion]

Fun to hear Brad playing himself in this one :D