Chappell Roan Hits Back.

[@MattLeach-o2z]

The fact that someone I knew as “the singer from The Darkness” has become such a sign of intelligence and empathy is such a treat. Love your content! You’re doing great work!

[@rachelalexander3502]

I think people are missing that stans are going to her sister's place of work and harassing her sister, they're creeping on her family, finding their homes. That is not okay. That is full on stalking behavior. Stan behavior and culture is not appropriate in any way shape or form. Chappell has every right to protect herself. Look at what happened to Christina Grimmie.

[@bartlebyscrivener2980]

Exactly. Stalkers are real and almost always disturbed. And Justin's mention of his long arms brings to mind, this is a 5'2" young woman we're talking about. Do NOT crowd her, do NOT make demands or even sound like you're making demands.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

@@rachelalexander3502 My only criticism is she probably made a tactical error in her delivery. It doesn’t really matter if she’s right or wrong. getting people on her side is the ultimate goal.

[@GreatCatsby_]

a dude was jailed for stalking a 16 year old billie eilish. he wrote her letters about why it's god's plan for her to die and campped across the street from her childhood home. a stalker killed himself in miranda cosgroves house and she was only like 20. it's insane what people will do to others.

[@AnthonyPi1999]

@@mikeydflyingtoasterExcellent point!

[@hearmymotoredheart]

Specifically, she seems to be addressing one admin from a fan account who has pretended to be a member of her "team" and made claims that Chappell was her TA, doxxed her family, and bullied/stalked other fans

[@Dandiesonthinice]

I can never understand why anyone thinks that people in the public domain are anything but sentient beings who suffer everyday issues. Good days, bad days and leave me alone days. We might relate to the music and maybe idolise the image portrayed but that’s just sheen. Be polite, and be respectful as it shapes everyone’s day.

[@heatherjane910]

I lived in Hollywood, CA and it was well known to treat famous people like normal people and respect their privacy. I did have Sade pull up in big red SUV while I was walking to work and ask for directions to a recording studio. She was so kind. ❤

[@shadyganley8877]

You're definitely a smooth operator

[@SuziQ.]

That is how we treated famous people. We had a lot of actors in our area, and it would have been rude to bug them.

[@thing_under_the_stairs]

I used to work in theatre and film in Toronto, and it was the same thing. I have apologised to Margaret Atwood when we bumped into each other on a crowded street because we were both distracted and walking fast without letting on I knew who she was. Ditto for the time that David Cronenberg asked me where I got a particular snarky tee with a Videodrome reference on it. We had nice, short chat about the shops in that part of town, and went on our ways. (I jumped up and down like a nerd when I got home.)

[@Cjinla777]

Yes, I live in LA too and I don’t think people online realize that it’s possible to see a celebrity they like and let them go about enjoying their day; in fact, this is what most well adjusted people do. This isn’t a meet and greet! If it’s a situation where they’re engaging with you and you tell them you love their work, etc. that’s one thing, but then so many people can also take it to this dark/heavy place, trauma dumping about the things this celebrity’s work got them through, etc., which is great that they were helped, but it’s just not fair to place all that upon someone who was just going about doing their daily tasks

[@alidemee8161]

Even MORE so in NYC. Its a big no no to approach celebrities as its like a safe haven for creatives and everyone is hustling anyway. You just pass them on the street as normal.

[@rob-c.]

Artists are essentially selling a service. I don’t expect to be brought a coffee by the barista in my local coffee shop if I see them in the local supermarket, I don’t expect the hotel staff from the Premier Inn down the road to make my bed at home because I once stayed a night, so I shouldn’t expect an artist to give me anything when they aren’t ‘at work’.

[@jevinday]

I can't say I agree with you, being a pop star is completely different than working at Starbucks. I think that famous people have a responsibility to know how to interact with their fans in public. That doesn't mean they're entitled to take a picture with you at the grocery store, but I would expect them to at least be friendly and say hello if you saw them in public.

[@rob-c.]

@@jevinday Not only is “knowing how to interact” completely different to “having a responsibility to interact with everyone”, but you and I both know that this conversation is about way more than a simple ‘hello’ 🤦‍♂️

[@420RittzBish]

@@jevinday They have exactly the same responsibility to act in public as you or I do. If you don't like that, then that's on you.

[@Chinni_C888]

It's like receiving work e-mails and calls outside of working hours. It's possible, it's normalized, but it doesn't make it okay. She is right to push back.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

@@Chinni_C888 Yeah, finding emails in your inbox that you’ve missed over the weekend is about the same as being stalked

[@hedlund]

@@mikeydflyingtoaster Obviously. I completely dismantle my firm's email servers before I go home every Friday, just to be sure. Only way I know to guarantee I won't have to suffer through the devastation, shock, and utter horror of receiving an email I'd have ignored until Monday regardless.

[@mikeydflyingtoaster]

@@hedlund Lol! Yeah, imagine the victim blamers saying stuff like "Well, did you turn on your out-of-office message? hmmm??"

[@HandmadeDarcy]

Excellent point, @Krissy_K888 The negative replies prove your point about the normalisation of employment imposing upon non-work time. In my 51 years of experience, a boss who sends out-of-hours emails addresses doesn't put up with being "ignored until Monday". If said bosses are fine with not addressing it till Monday, then why send the email when it will impose upon the employee's unpaid time, surely they haven't reached a management position without knowing how to schedule an email to send during paid hours? And why are they working out-of-hours, themselves? Are they just so disorganised, or is there more work to do than they can get done in their paid hours and, instead of standing up for themselves, they're just passing on the disrespect to their subordinates? Or perhaps they are at the top of the chain - the owner of the business - and are either taking too much "profit", or refusing to admit that the business is simply not making enough money to hire the staff needed to produce the good or service they offer and is fundamentally unviable. Whatever the reason, it's not the employee's problem when they're not being paid.

[@ZuzuTheLemon]

Beyond saying, 'Oh hello, I really like your art, have a lovely day!' I don't think I'd ever want to interact with a celebrity any further than that. It's still a stranger - I find it weird people want hugs. In fact, I would refuse to hug them, even if they asked me!

[@gefaehrlich]

I for one don't have a problem with hugs, high fives etc but not everyone is the same either so asking first would be a good start ^^

[@jcmartin961]

Say thanks, no hugging. If they’re jerks about you saying thanks, tell them to piss off.

[@InfraRed0]

I’m on the same page, and maybe would push it further… I would ignore most celebrities, as they are no more important to me than the next stranger. I love Justin’s attitude, and enjoy his content greatly, but if I saw him in person, any excitement would be contained in my head 😅.

[@ZuzuTheLemon]

@@InfraRed0 I suppose there's a very small chance I might run into Justin in Lidl, but in reality it's probably a hypothetical question anyway 😂

[@MLBPeacePlanet]

Glad you see Mr Tumble as the legend he is....While we nursed horrific hangovers from listening to people like you Hawkins...Tumble was there at the crack of dawn keeping our kids distracted while we lay on the sofa wondering when the pain would end. Mr Tumble kept us alive.....May the wheels on your bus always go round Mr Tumble.

[@nickbyrne3299]

I couldn’t agree more! He really is ‘something special’!

[@repletereplete8002]

Mr Tumble was the first thing my daughter watched and responded too and allowed me to doze off for a few vital minutes in the mornings after being up most of the night, every night dealing with her multiple wake ups. Bless him for his many soakings for our children's entertainment and may his red nose never dull.

[@madhokte]

You should definitely respond to her music. Casual and Red Wine Supernova are some of my favorites, but the whole album Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess is worth a listen

[@ginger8796]

Earlier this year whilst on holiday I saw Tré Cool of Green Day wondering around a town with his wife and son. Tré Cool was my drumming hero when I grew up and he inspired me to play drums, so I was desperate to go and tell him that. However, given he was clearly on holiday with his family, I decided to leave him be. Although I wrestled with whether I should have spoken to him for days later and was really disappointed I didn’t. Ultimately I decided it was probably the right thing to do though. The part of Chappel Roan’s message I don’t like is that it seems to suggest she doesn’t want anyone ever to approach her and say hello, which I think is a bit sad, given her music probably has inspired millions of people. But she has clearly had too many experiences where people have crossed the line and left her a bit rattled, so I can understand it

[@Illyriamars]

Yeah and I also think that everyone (even the problem actors) think they are the exception to the rule; by setting such strict boundaries she is telling those folks, yes, you too should not approach me. I am sure that on some level she will adjust to fame and become more open to polite and casual fan encounters, but I get her putting everyone in the same category for now.

[@xeaux]

There’s a time & a place for things. That people think it’s more important to tell someone else that their music had done xyz for them rather than respecting someone’s boundaries & privacy is wild. Wanting to disrupt someone’s vacation with their child bc you feel the need to tell them personal things that they really aren’t going to care about is so selfish.

[@paulhynes170]

you could have just walked past him and said 'hi' and said nothing else and left it at that at least you would have had some sort of interaction

[@VanielDeeform]

I understand why you felt conflicted and ultimately didn't... Still, I'm sure it would've been fine, to say: Hey tre! You inspired me to drum/you're my fave drummer! Or whatever. You wouldn't even have to stop or stop him just say in passing and smile :) Hard to get annoyed at hearing that if it's short and sweet.

[@tysonrinker5958]

Idk I mean dude if I see my hero’s I’m gonna tell em how much they mean to me . I won’t stalk them or some shit but I would show my love for them

[@kbusby4824]

She's absolutely right. You are allowed to say no to creepy behavior. She has learned the lesson of healthy boundaries at a young age. Good for her. Just discovered her this summer after watching a couple of clips from her festival performances and appearances on late night shows. She is talented. I'm not much into pop but can recognize talent when I see it. Like you, I am the fan of The Cult. Nice to see the pics with Ian and Billy.

[@Skibbidyboobop]

Comes with the territory, but I would absolutely fight back. I wouldn't get heavy about it. After all, she is lucky. She chose this shit.

[@neonwired4978]

it's ok to draw a line but I don't think she expressed it in the best way, it came across a little bit arrogant.

[@juliekring7574]

​@@neonwired4978yeah? Jimmy Page kidnapped a child bride. I think we can forgive her for a harsh tone.

[@duanenidia-foodtravelandfun]

You, Justin are a paragon! So glad to have found you here on KZbin a few years back. You thoughts on Chappell's rapid rise to her current success were heartfelt, thoughtful, and on-point. Thank you! I am an older lady, but still love new music and pop-culture as much as a did as a teen... lol!

[@sues6573]

Just found your channel yesterday. I really appreciate your thoughtfulness and empathy. Thanks for the great content!

[@leona-irl]

With the nature of social media these days it does feel like the public have become what the paparazzi once was. Its great to see people in the public eye starting to set boundaries, its definitely needed.

[@cherrybomb1386]

I would love to see your reaction to Chappell's tiny desk concert

[@discomfortzone]

Same. Only saw this for the first time today. Stunning!

[@tonyjohnson3752]

her entire "Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess" album is phenomenal. The hits are catchy and brilliantly executed pop but every track is a beautiful listen. Incredibly well produced. And I'm a rock and roll child of the 60s and 70s

[@duanenidia-foodtravelandfun]

Us too!

[@thomasfioriglio]

Another very thoughtful and respectful commentary by Justin. Thank you.

[@richc8936]

Huge fan of Chappell Roan but is it odd that I'm now also a huge fan of Justin Hawkins? (AGAIN??) Great response, sir, full of empathy and respect. If you ever feel like touring the Southeastern United States, I'll now be buying a ticket and reliving my Darkness days....

[@aquas9525]

Yeah the a cappella intro/outro just makes me happy. Honestly, it’s my favourite version. Also, you talk a lot of sense. ❤

[@beatle2064]

John Lennon is the prime example of the pitfalls with fame. A sick deranged fan took him from us. I don’t blame her for setting boundaries and as fans we should respect that.

[@annaine]

Chappell’s lyrics are so honest and upfront that I can understand how some fans might feel they know her through her music and videos. She also has the appeal of the girl next door from a small US town aside from her huge talent, which makes her relatable to so many. I am delighted that she feels that she can call out this creepy behaviour on the part of some people and not be fearful of damaging her career, which might have happened only a few years ago. She’s also of her generation, and as such will not tolerate abusive and inappropriate behaviour and comments.

[@GizzyDillespee]

Yes, you're in the public domain, not a "rando" anymore. However, fans aren't entitled to take advantage of that, just because they bought a ticket, or album, or patreon, or whatever. Context is important. If she's walking down Santa Monica Blvd screaming and waving her fists in the air, then yeah, I'd yell out the car window too. If she's walking down the street in conversation with someone, as if they're going to a dinner reservation... maybe smile and give a half-wave, and go about your business, as if you were in the West Village before it became a tourist trap. If you see them at an album signing or other in-store event... then yeah, mob them, ask for an autograph etc. Context is key.

[@RJVanEtten]

Absolutely I’d love to see the actual context and specifics of the events before I could have an opinion.

[@lindsaysorensen]

People who get angry at others for setting their boundaries have issues and are usually the type of person that need them the most I've found. And you should give Chappell Roan a listen! I'm forty-something and don't really keep abreast of modern pop music but her music is catchy af...Her Tiny Desk Concert is simply fab.

[@RJVanEtten]

I’m still confused. Is she mad that people ask for photos or is she mad that people are mad that she says no to photos/hugs? Of course the stalking is crazy and illegal.

[@Katt_Dubbs]

In today's cultural landscape, there's a growing sense of entitlement among fans that is deeply troubling. It's disconcerting to witness how some individuals have become so disconnected from reality that they believe they are owed something by the celebrities they admire. While it's perfectly natural to love and appreciate the work of a musician, for instance, crossing the line into obsessive behavior that blatantly disregards personal boundaries is nothing short of abhorrent. This shift from admiration to entitlement reflects a broader societal issue, where the distinction between appreciation and invasion of privacy is increasingly blurred. Like all individuals, celebrities deserve respect and the right to their own lives, free from unwarranted intrusion.

[@drfell9105]

Could you also say that there is a growing sense of entitlement with celebrities/influencers who want the fans, the adoration, the audience and the money but without any negatives? I agree that people should be respectful, but Chappell Roan new exactly what she was getting into and probably spent years dreaming about achieving her goals and it seems a bit much to complain when the inevitable happens.

[@SuziQ.]

I’ve never heard of her, but, if she’s putting that much into social media, she can’t expect privacy.

[@voodoovibez6742]

​@@drfell9105 that's like blaming John Lennon for getting killed by a fan. He knew what he was getting into. Or even: Christina Grimmie, Selena, George Harrison (attacked in his own house by a Beatles fan), Dimebag Darrell. Your comment was ignorant and fucking stupid. Being an artist doesn't mean you have to accept that weirdos come along as part of the baggage. Boundaries need setting in place, and it needs to become a norm and not frowned upon.

[@Katt_Dubbs]

​@@drfell9105 Eh, no. I don’t agree with this take. People have been stalking her family and putting them into dangerous situations. Hence why she's fed up.

[@artharrison9586]

If you’re putting yourself into the public domain there’s always going to be people who stomp all over any boundaries you try to set. It’s a real danger. Trying to keep up with current trends in social media promotion can put people in untenable positions if they need some degree of personal space.

[@FourEyedTiger]

A successful pop musician doesn’t owe you a photo or a hug. And they’re allowed to have a bad day.

[@charmlessman1]

In the mid 2000s I had a Perfect Celebrity Interaction™. I was walking along the Seattle piers and I saw Danny Bonaduce walking toward me. As we passed each other I made eye contact with him and gave him a quick up-nod of my head. He replied in kind. And then we walked on. Perfect. That's exactly what I wanted from Danny Bonaduce, and no one had to stop or waste any time. And I get to tell the story for the rest of my life.

[@Glawnerd664]

Love that!

[@louiseb3491]

You’re so articulate and kind with your observations. 👌

[@mcolville]

It reads like Chappell Roan is trying to explain things to the fans. I don't think that's going to work. She can't educate (or plead with, or otherwise negotiate with) the people because, almost by definition, the people who don't respect boundaries won't understand she's talking to them. They can't understand that. They think "oh she doesn't mean ME!" The only behavior she has control over, is her own.

[@juliehartley3652]

Good point. The dilemma of fame.

[@Afterflowers-v4k]

Yup. True of all of us. We can only control our own behaviors. But that doesn’t mean it isn’t worth stating our boundaries.

[@danielatherton1631]

She's in control of her behaviour. She's saying no to randomers wanting hugs, photos, etc. and this is her saying she don't give a crap that people don't like her behaviour. It doesn't matter if 'the people' don't understand.

[@Overworkt]

I believe you are right

[@gtoger]

I used to make a certain type of video for KZbin, and those videos became suddenly and strangely popular. People started just showing up at work, taking photos, posting the address on Reddit calling the office so they could talk to me... it was weird. And that was just for making some corny KZbin videos. It's hard for me to imagine being actually famous or talented or publicly admired and what that might entail.

[@Reid_Jorgensen]

Sounds like she needs better infrastructure and management around her to navigate and protect her privacy. Excellent talking points by the ageless JH.

[@drewtabori8447]

2024, and Justin Hawkins is the fucken Voice Of Reason we never knew we needed.

[@charliebakes2]

The end of this video is pure comedy gold! Love the photo

[@TheSouthernDarkling]

Justin took my glasses during one of his many concerts ive had the fortune of seeing. Well, i didnt see much after he took my glasses. But he sang Stuck In A Rut (my favorite TD song) and theyre my lifetime favorite band, so it was one of the most epic moments of my life......I JUST WISH I COULD HAVE SEEN IT BUT JUSTIN HAD MY GLASSES. Hilarity ensues....always.🤘😂🖤

[@ZebulaJams]

"I can't pretend a stranger is a long-awaited friend" -Neil Peart

[@rafaeltavares584]

When I was 18 I had the chance to work on two Sebastian Bach's (former skid row singer) concerts. He was my f-ing idol in terms of singing. I had started to take classical singing classes because I wanted to sing 18 and life and I remember you. So you can imagine how starstruck I was with the opportunity to meet him. So there I was doing my thing and the stage manager of the venue said Sebastian was coming for the sound check and I got really REALLY excited (I was 18!) and then the stage manager saw it and said "hey kid, let me tell you a secret about Sebastian... He poops!" And I was like "wtf? Why are you telling me this? I do it, everybody does, that's not a secret!" And he said "EXACTLY. Why are you nervous for meeting someone who poops everyday just like you do? Don't be a fanboy, approach him nicely and you'll have no problems." It seems weird, and it kinda is. But it helped. Turned out Sebastian is a GREAT guy, we had some very cool conversations during the days of those two concerts and we even ran into each other again years later and he remembered me and some stories from those concerts - probably because I treated him like a real human being who poops. So I guess that's the lesson this random lady was trying to deliver (though I think she pooped on her message at some points)

[@laurenh6668]

I loved your take! Especially the Mr Tumble situation 😂. One of her best qualities is that she is completely real.. We love it in her lyrics, we love it in her personality, so its only fitting that she made her boundaries clear in a video like that. I will add that there is an extra level to all of this as a female.. So many of us are attacked / k1lled that we have to be on high alert with people approaching us. And some awful things have happened to female singers. I completely respect her point. I could never even ask a celeb for a photo!.. A hug?? Hell no. Also YES you should react to her music!!

[@Drstrapps]

I saw Ken Jeong in Westminster Cathedral with his family a few years ago. I gave him the slightest nod, he gave the slightest nod back. He was with his family, he didn't need attention called to him and ruin his trip there.

[@januarysidra6166]

You're very empathetic, I like that about you.

[@ajasen]

This is just basic decency. It's in short supply on social media, but it's really not special... or shouldn't be. no shade on Justin, he's great. Just saying more creators should be like this.

[@sah-win]

The most I’ve done with someone outside of an official appearance was when I gave a head nod and a “hey Joey” to Joey Ramone. And even then I did it really low-key to keep from drawing attention to him. He returned both and we went about our business.

[@weronikazalewska2098]

He was quite hard to miss

[@vikingshark2634]

In the era of social media, people have started to become more disconnected from each other. We're long past the point where we once believed that social media could make us more connected, in fact it's having quite the opposite effect. People are treating each other like images on a screen and lines of text that they can react to, comment on, fabricate and lie about and nobody gets hurt because images on a screen and lines of text don't have feelings, lives, families. And you never in real life have to stand across from a complete stranger that you've just bullied, slandered, cursed at or called names from behind a shield of anonymity within the comfort of your own algorithmically-created thought bubble.

[@08mlascelles]

I had a comedian I really admire come into the bar I worked at. Nowhere near as famous (but well known in the UK), but he was clearly writing with some friends. When I went to collect the empty glasses, I just said I was a massive fan of his and left him to it. He was lovely, I ended up having nice a chat with him and then he offered to sign a beer mat. If I had barged up to him demanding a photo or autograph or whatever, I imagine he would have told me to f**k off, and rightly so!! Famous people are still people and manners cost you nothing.

[@felinetherapy4782]

It would be horrible. Good on her speaking out - very brave.

[@Spacepilot616]

Famous people are normal people too. I see it like this their job is there 9 to 5. Meaning if I see a singer at their concert or a festival that they’re performing at. I say it’s ok to ask them for a picture or if you see an athlete at the stadium you know whatever the case may be. But if I see them at an amusement park with their family or grocery shopping or at the DMV I’m not gonna bother them. I am especially not going to harass their family.

[@steverhenius6734]

Celebrity is weird - seen it from both sides and for the recipient it’s a strange, creepy feeling. Most people are polite/respectful . There are some in the spotlight who abuse and encourage their position then complain at the response. Most are gentle, tolerant souls who put up with the experience - we saw that in the Beatles - George had no time for it, Paul was mostly polite and understanding. I guess attitudes also change with the times.

[@TuzeTea]

I don't know who Chappel Roan is but I agree with her. I've been around 45 years and never understood people not giving celebrities their privacy or personal space, or at least just understanding being polite about it. Just because people are famous doesn't mean they stop having personal autonomy - you purchase their music or art or movies - not their body, time or personal space. Even that time another celebrity wanted to go up and hug seinfield and he was like no thank you and everyone got mad at him for some reason even though he was polite and he didn't even know her, some people don't like to be touched, there's still covid going around.

[@Nathan-yk2le]

I love her music, and I'm glad she's getting a discussion about celebrity boundaries out in the open. On the other hand, I have no idea how I would act if suddenly confronted with a star in the wild, and I'm afraid that I'd act the fool.

[@valeskacanas9187]

Zayn said similar things years ago wanting to be a normal 22-year-old and wanting to slow things down and be away from the limelight and the over work their management put them through. He was ridiculed by 1D management and by his 1D bandmates. 1D stans threw vitriol and hate towards him. Chapelle Roan is loved by music industry, celebrities, other musicians and general public has empathy towards her. No celebrities supported Zayn, general public called him ungrateful and lazy and music industry blacklisted him...plus he had the added racism, xenophobia and islamophobia to deal with. On James Corden, Noal Gallagher was condescending and made fun of Zayn for leaving the band. On Howard Stern, Harry Styles belittled Zayn's mental health and called Zayn "unprofessional" for leaving the band for his mental health and creative freedom. Can you imagine today Noal Gallagher and Harry Styles saying those things about Chapelle Roan!?! they'd be cancelled for their cruelty and unkindness!!!!

[@lubnazaidi3726]

Thank you for this discussion Justin, it's so important for everyone, famous or not !! Chapelle is just saying No means No!!

[@mazklassa9338]

I've only ever met three celebs and i always knew to be careful and attentive to the fact they might not be "in the mood". Or to come across as sort of desperate/worshipping them. You can appreciate them as an artist/model/actor and so on, but they still have normal emotions just like you and I.

[@ramuhchoramuhcho4591]

I’ve only just got into Chappell’s music in the past 2 weeks. Good luck babe is my favourite. To be honest, getting famous means she will face situations that will make her unhappy obviously. I don’t understand why the younger artists of these days have fans that go in a frenzy about them. Always saying stupid things like ‘mother’, ‘Queen’ irritates me. These obsessive fans need other hobbies and musical interests. I grew up at a time when you could try and meet your favourite artist after a show (without a paid meet n’ greet) and you weren’t called a weirdo as there were lots of fans that wanted an autograph and a picture. The last artist I met recently was a few months ago, an American band that’s been around for over 20 years. There were a few of us that waited patiently after the show. I had a lovely conversation with the artist who I shook hands with as I didn’t want to be rude by hugging him without asking. I got the setlist signed and took a photo with him. I don’t think this was crazy fan behaviour.

[@boop-9167]

I can't believe you met Mr Tumble. What a legend!

[@GiannasEscapades]

About 15 years ago I was dating and engaged to a pretty well known "celebrity" and the amount of times that people would come up to us when we were out was so scary and uncomfortable and they would expect so much out of him because of the way he acted on tv and in movies. No matter where we went what time of day someone would always come up to him It didn't matter if we were eating, on dates, out with family nobody ever respected boundaries. I totally can understand where she is coming from it very uncomfortable and scary.

[@StuartsPhotographyUK]

I have met lots of stars. I've never assumed I have the right to go beyond universally accepted boundaries. I thank them for their work and the joy they bring to my life. Indeed, Justin may have been such a recipient when we met in the press area at Download in 2011. Secondly, there are so many dangerous people around and who is the say the next one to break the boundaries sees the acceptance as an indication they can go further? On a slightly different note: Justin do you live on a hill?

[@timothyausten3390]

You, sir, have carved out a lovely space here on this channel. Sensibility abounds, imagine that. Your assessment of Twitter is spot on, and you definitely should listen to Chappell Roan. She's such a talented vocalist, her band is great, and I'm glad she has the courage to assert her boundaries.

[@andrewzenn1719]

The whole social media thing is to reach out to viewers to build that relationship that gets them to view the videos and the interviews and maybe come to concerts. The downside is that after someone sees you for a hundred hours, they think they know you. Same thing s for TV series after you binge watch it. Some people are good at Compartmentalization, some are not.

[@Dreyno]

Deep Fried Sunshine have just gained a fan.

[@JohnMiller-jf2mo]

Glad to see you back, I really appreciate your voice (perspective)

[@johnnyjohnsonmusic]

She could always quit, if the inconvenience of her fans wanting to get close to her is too much then she should probably quit. She definitely has the right to tell people to fuck off if she wants, but why does she feel the need to make a "poor me" tik tok video, just tell people who overstep to fuck right off, surely she had some idea of what world she was jumping into.

[@LizzieBridge]

I’m very mindful that people in the public eye are still just normal people too. I met Yungblud at the Leeds festival a few years ago in the guest area. We were respectful and asked if it was ok to have a photo. He was absolutely lovely, chatted to us and had photos. I titled the photo ‘when middleagedblud met Yungblud’ 😂😂

[@ChrisMcSweeney]

6:09 Recommend "Pink Pony Club" - great prechorus, she's got a real flair for melody. A Kate Bush type.

[@sea-ferring]

Thanks Justin - I've never been a huge fan of your music although I do think it's good music, just not my thing. I am however, a fan of the thoughtful and intelligent commentary of your industry. Thanks for supporting this artist (who I have no knowledge of either) - she has every right to set boundaries - being in the public eye means that you should be polite and available to your fan base, but your fan base does not have the right to personally objectify you. People can do whatever they want in the public sphere, but you are not allowed to invade the personal space of another person - it's a basic tenant of being a human.

[@keithjones5568]

First of all, thank you for this one Justin. I would highly recommend you check out her NPR Tiny Desk Concert if you want to get a bit of her art. I saw it after hearing a bit of one of her songs in the car and fell hard. Wonderful performer with a rock solid band behind her. As for the rest, I'm not famous. I've had some local notoriety when I was younger, and I can only imagine "that" being amplified by 50 million active listeners. I also grew up in the south of the US, it was made clear to me early that I should treat everyone with respect, and offer hospitality when able. So, the handful of times I have encountered some celebrity in the wild, it's gone basically like this: "Uh, hello sir or ma'am. I don't want to take up too much of your time, just wanted to say I really appreciated your work on such and such album or film. And if you'd let me, I'd be delighted to buy you a round." I don't expect anything, just want to let them know they're appreciated. And hopefully, it'll be a good memory for someone I admire.

[@christopherevans5816]

Justin 100 agree. I love going to see bands and occassionally have had merch signed or after gig interaction. I find it always awkward not only for the Artist but as a fan

[@I_Don_t_want_a_handle]

Never meet your heroes, keep them in that shiny box of imagination. If you take them out of it you may find they do not appreciate your love, just your money.

So trueeee!

[@BarbaraAntoinetteVeronica]

I'm watching this again because I am not a celebrity & this has happened to me. There has been video spying, phone lines tapped, I am followed, mail stolen, personal info taken, entry into my home while I am not there. I am not a criminal, but these invaders of my privacy are. I have filed numerous police reports & informed landlord Administration, some have been caught. I can certainly empathize how damaging this behavior is to peace of mind. It is abominable. It is not acceptable at all! Would you like it?

[@duanenidia-foodtravelandfun]

Hi Justin! Can you react to Chappell's music? Would love your take on the current pop landscape and specifically for Chappell. Thank you! Loved this video and your thoughtful discussion on this.

[@tarafurby1115]

Chappell Roan is her stage name and music is her job. I will never understand why we as a society think it’s perfectly acceptable that musicians, actors, or others in highly visible jobs should just meekly take this kind of behavior. It wouldn’t be ok if we did this to the baristas who make our coffees, the people who deliver our mail, or the thousands of others we come across in our lives. This is the kind of behavior that will get the police called on you and have protection orders served. We need to start making everyone accountable for their actions, letting them know that this kind of behavior will no longer stand.

[@PaulaHeartland]

I never ask for a photo. I have always felt it wasn't my right to interfere with a celebrity's time, unless an interaction develops naturally, like when Martin Sheen teased me about reading a magazine before checking out. Or recently Van Neistat repaired something for me. But I have noticed Matty Healy does take photos quite easily. We need to read the room and be respectful.

[@CloutierMusic]

I agreed with her completely.

[@CreativeMindsAudio]

First off i met her at a festival in 2021 where i volunteered as a sound tech. She was really awesome and kind, but one thing i recognized really fast was her amazing sense of boundaries! That continues today too! Consent is necessary and i think many people forget that when they’ve seen people a lot. I always ask for permission for things and even a hug. Hell even at that festival I thought she was amazing and asked for contact/where i could check her out and she pointed me to her instagram. This was way before she was famous. She’s an awesome person and i really respected her a lot for having those boundaries. The fact that people don’t respect that is really messed up. Also a huge reason why i never want to be famous, but sometimes fame finds you like in her case.

[@harryyarrow4110]

Justin Hawkins is a badass.So is Chappell Roan,(but, in a different way).💙💛💙Her lyrics are very funny,( and heartfelt,too).💜

[@ronkingston2833]

I usually seem to run into celebs at airports or on flights, gave Minnie Driver a light for her cigarette at Heathrow once and had a little chat, met Patti Smith at an airport, she was cool, there's a few more that were all pleasant, I don't ask for selfies anyway but the only weird encounter I had was Katherine Ryan, the comedian, I saw her on an internal flight in Canada and I just probably did a double take as I was boarding and she glared at me and shook her head, I mean I hadn't said a word, fine, she made herself clear but I wasn't going to even speak to her. Sinead o Connor was nice though.

[@mirtikaschultz3282]

I have several favorite musicians/artists, and I've only written a fan letter ONCE (at age 17 a looooong time ago), and other what the songs might relate about their private lives, I knew nothing. In fact, I normally knew near to nothing about my fave artitsts (even once I spent money to see live), because I pretty much don't care and am not driven to find out unless they do something so hideious and unforgivable it's on front pages. Or have some public tragedy that is everywhere and unavoidable (like Michael Jackson's trial or a death by overdose , etc). I think when I was young(er), we didn't have much access to private lives like we do with constant media/ (social and otherwise) today. It must be awful for any artist who values privacy to live with this invasiveness. No one should be stalked .

[@gaynorduncan9058]

I had a strict upbringing where my parents gave me warnings about absolutely everything,one was ‘ If you ever see a famous person on the street treat them the same as you would any other person on the street that you don’t know,and I’ve stuck to that if I ever see famous which is highly unlikely in this small village in the Scottish countryside.

[@Bexamina]

I saw an actor in the MOMA in New York. I had no idea who he was, I was just getting into a lift with him whilst this horde of screaming fans were chasing him. He kinda squeezed past me to get in with me. I looked at him & he looked familiar but I couldn't place him so I asked if he was an actor. He said yes. It turns out it was Desmond Harrington of the 00s teen horror films. We had a little chat in the lift & nothing more. He was desperately trying to avoid the screaming fan girls though. I felt a little sorry for him.

[@Tilly236]

It's a case of people needing more empathy and less entitlement. A lot of people don't see celebrities as actual people, they seem to think they own a piece of them and they owe them for being a fan. I'm as anonymous as can be, and I have days where I just don't have the bandwidth to interact with people. I can only imagine how draining it can be for celebrities.

[@freewheelsouth8834]

Chappell Roan is a genuine talent, a brilliant songwriter and an exciting performer. There’s a possibility everything positive she gives could be lost because of pressures like this. I hope she gets treated properly by people, both public and professional I want her to keep making great music.

[@Mialamorena1]

Justin you said it so well, AND you very much embody the advice you’ve given. Thank you over again for being such a gracious human being. I love this channel and I feel so lucky to have met you once😌😌😌 ❤ NYC Brown girl

[@halfindy]

2:22 I love you even more now, Mr. Hawkins! 🤘The Cult! PS: And on topic I should add that I obviously mean „love“ in the way you can „love“ a public persona from what they choose to put out in the open.

[@snakedoctor3319]

All fair points. However I have no fucking idea who she is.

[@JeremiahBurns]

Tom Ogden was 4 rows behind me at the theatre on Saturday night. I didn't say hello to him. For one thing, I'd've been too dumb and nervous. For another, and more importantly, I've always believed that if I *did* see a celebrity out and about (in my head I always imagined this scenario with Stephen Fry, for some reason) that I WOULDN'T bother them. It's uninvited. They're people. Just trying to live their lives. At most, I thought, if I caught their eye I might give a wave or a nod. I never assumed the opportunity would actually present itself.

[@ColleenSollars]

Love your hair!

[@OnlyUkeThatMatters]

Roan’s tiny desk concert really shows off her music in a cool setting!

[@sigma5054]

Daft Punk did well with it.Deadmaus too for a while.Anonymous celebs are rare these days.I had Celebs sit on the next table to me or walk past me in street and I left them alone.And I never ever got star struck by people I sound engineered for.But someone did ask me to show her my desk after the rest of the band went to the pub,which I found hilarious, much to her surprise,and the fact that anybody would be more interested in that rather than the band,made me realise that day that not everyone chased celebs. Again I felt it rare.I was always told take your art seriously but never yourself and have your feet firmly on the ground.Fame is an illusion,a very powerful one.

[@bw2273]

Well said Justin!

[@TheRubyTuesdays]

Sometimes I think you can just tell whether someone’s up for being approached or not, bumped into Serge from Kasabian at an airport recently didn’t ask for a picture but shook his hand and asked how their show was at the festival they’d just played and it was a really nice brief exchange of conversation which I think sometimes will be more appreciated by the recipient than having a camera shoved in your face

[@ianmason3040]

Nice one Justin, someone else this week bigged her up for standing her ground, I didn't know who she was so had to google it. But yes she's totally correct, following people home or to their sisters place of work is pretty obsessive - and if done more than once would be stalking and probably illegal. I guess these are young people trying to get selfies to raise their own social media profile - doesn't really seem fair does it.

[@sweigh72]

Justin I adore your humour thanks for always sharing your take on the music industry but also for making me smile sending love to you and yours from north west Uk ❤

[@mike18699-e]

I think this celebrity culture is damaging all round. It's not healthy to be harassed. It's not healthy to be idolised. It's not healthy to idolise others. Ideally big-name actors and musicians would just be regarded and treated as what they are - people doing a job at which they're talented. I can't see how we'll ever get there from here, though, because too much of the money depends upon the myth.

[@Maxx1066]

There's eejits everywhere. Good Fans are civilised I bought a guy a coffee talked about music for an hour. In Dublin after a concert in the Ambassador seen slayer had no phone no pen but got to shake hands with Kerry really good moment. Another guy said don't be creepy or cringe if I look like am having bad day avoid me at all costs. I do understand. I get days like that too lol. If Someone's with their family I won't bother them. Always be polite you never know who you might bump into. Hope everyone has a great weekend

[@SuziQ.]

Kerry King was a member of a gym I managed in the nineties. Everyone left him alone, but that’s the SoCal way.

[@alsosean]

I totally think it’s reasonable to be polite and say something. But they’re people / strangers going about their lives like the rest of us. They don’t ‘owe’ fans hugs, pictures, and chats just because they’re a performer. That said, I understand how this can get blurry when artists commodify their persona and as a result the person and the artist and the product are essentially (or mostly) the same thing. The piles and piles of social media that some artists create gives the impression / illusion that fans ‘know’ them. Some artists also share difficult experiences, vulnerabilities and personal struggles that fans might also strongly identify with and which also builds a strong sense of connection albeit through the medium of social media. I understand Chappell’s personal difficulty with fans’ behaviours and expectations and I think it’s fair for her to feel that way; however, its also partly a problem of her own making. The sense of personal connection she (and other artists) developed through social media has certainly contributed to her success and popularity. A doubled-edged sword for sure.

[@harrisonandrew]

The reaction to fans is obviously dependant on personality. I have generally tended to be happy just to see my heroes on stage and not try to get close to them, mainly because I would not know what the fuck to say to them. The interaction I remember most favourably is with Toby Jepson from Little Angels and Wayward Sons. Wayward Sons we’re supporting Steel Panther at The Manchester Apollo and during the break my daughter and I found him near the merch stand talking to fans. He noticed we were both wearing WS t-shirts and he came over to us. He was utterly charming, such a nice and warm person. But I guess he would be like that even if he wasn’t famous. He’s definitely a people person. Of course, I’m sure even a people person would not be so welcoming if their personal life was invaded. I do feel for anyone who is trying to cope with fame and I often wonder why on earth people would want to put themselves through that. Chappell is very young, which does make it harder. It’s right to call it out, but naive to be surprised by it.

[@coachjdc]

While it's probably your humor that I love the most, I also greatly appreciate your thoughtfulness.

[@janesexton7942]

I really like Justin so much. He is so honest.

[@juliehartley3652]

Dan on the drums! Such a happy song - I like it. 👍😎😊

[@bridder01]

Amen! Say this louder!

[@RoboCop-zn8bt]

Social media will destroy humanity faster than an asteroid.

[@jessicaque8020]

Word. As a fan, it's hard not to at least acknowledge someone you admire that's passing you on the street. However, it doesn't justify invading someone's personal space or life. Why would you want to chase away or dishearten someone who's art you love? I'd be absolutely pissed if fan behavior stops artists I enjoy from making music. Like what Hawkins said, there's a lot of things that make life hard for an entertainer. But fan behavior is something we all have control over.

[@charlyannekirby]

There's a charity called Drugfam, which supports families who have a member effected by drugs. My younger brother was a musician & died from a drug induced suicide. I met the mother of Amy Winehouse and I said to her that I felt that the music industry had contributed towards her death. SO this is a Very Big Subject. Not everyone gets this opportunity to be a famous singer. The relationship between fame & money & the fans is toxic. Because the public are trained by the entertainment industry & the media to see Famous People as Super Human. If you don't like attention from strangers then you are probably not going to work towards being a mainstream Artist. Because you're mental health will suffer. Not every singer is cut out to be like Taylor Swift. There are lots of big bands who have a supportive fan base like Depeche Mode. These guys are able to go into a local pub & not get hassle. But they are older now. This woman might need to get used to having a body guard and security if she earns enough money to pay for their wages. Because big celebrities feed off the paparazzi. If she stays low key then she will soon be out of the public's consciousness.

[@kalistyles4538]

This is why I leave musicians/artists/performers alone when I see them in public unless they are doing a meet and greet or explicitly state that it’s okay to approach them. At most I’ll do a quick nod to acknowledge them if I enjoy their work.