Charizard vs Typhlosion - Pokemon Crystal

Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
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-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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[@myggmastaren3365]

Hi everyone, and welcome back to another installment of "Both of these two pokemon can learn mud-slap, but Gligar can not!"

[@matthewcline5040]

*cries in gligar*

[@PascalHorn]

As well as earthquake.

[@BryanM86]

Gligar the worst bat pokemon

[@skeetermania3202]

Welcome to Jackass!

[@Mistblute]

Technically it can though through 100%ing stadium 2

[@TheMoogleKing93]

I'll never get tired of Lance's introduction, with the 3 Dragonite's just appearing like Hiya!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah, that’s my favourite intro! I had so much fun making it.

[@shadowtitanx3962]

3 inappropriately leveled Dragonites at that.

[@lucamayhem]

*Champion Lance won't stop talking.

[@austinsager912]

Your channel really sets itself apart from other Pokemon challenges by digging into every single detail of the run, the quirks of the region and your route. Always keeps me engaged, great work as always!

[@RaycrowX]

Absolutely. Scott’s attention to detail really shows. It’s very clear to me that he doesn’t just explore every possibility because he wants to do it, but because he HAS to do it.

[@Xeraser2]

The attention to detail and overall thoroughness are so refreshing when compared to something like jrose's hour-long infoless whine-a-tons.

[@zenitfan4life]

I didn't realize how much earlier Charizard gets access to Flamethrower than Typhlosion, though it may not be as crucial since both get access to Fire Punch early on. Typhlosion has an additional advantage of having access to Thunderpunch, and Charizard's flying type could prove to be a liability. I predict another Hidden Power Rock for both in the second playthrough (which is becoming my favorite hidden power, it's use case is so niche and unique!). Oh, and Gligar might be quietly crying in the corner again..

[@jameswhite2308]

Honestly I think it might have been better against the Gyarados in the run than HP Ice, and maybe the dragonite? Idk

[@qweschuning]

Gligar struggling w HP ground... 😢

[@NegaSyrus5000]

Funny enough, if he started out as their first form and evolved them charizard wouldn't even get flamethrower unless he used the move tutor

[@AchEdeJungeNeDu]

This brings back memories. When Gen2 first came out, a friend of mine got his copy of silver before i ever got a gen2 game. He didnt bother reading any of the text, didnt know what to do or where to go and got stuck right at the beginning before even the first rival fight.He thought "maybe i need to train more to continue". Blasting through the first few trainers and gyms with a lvl 37 Typhlosion certainly was an experience.

[@red-eyessolares1817]

It was a pretty close match, but I honestly can’t wait for Feraligatr vs Blastoise! I can’t wait to see you show the full power of them at least better than how the rivals used them.

[@JaharNarishma]

Water gun is so good.

[@qwesx]

The lack of physical/special split is a big advantage for Typhlosion in generation 2 since the elemental punches are still special-based. I think the same contest in generation 4 might turn out in favor of Charizard, albeit still being pretty close.

[@Shadowvanify]

I know it’s probably at least a year or two away, but I’m excited for when we start getting Gen 4 runs, seeing how the split affects strategies, move pools, and overall rankings of different Pokémon

[@snakeywakey3893]

Typhlosion will get Eruption in Gen IV which might help it hit really hard.

[@tabeebyeamin9986]

@@snakeywakey3893 Fire Blast + scope lens is a pretty good alternative that you can get pretty early in every gen 4 game

[@Evil_Befall]

and charizard has a double rock weakness to rock and got a electric weakness atop of the weakness it already has Compared to Typhlosion

[@TheMoogleKing93]

At Level 57, so not really.

[@libraryscholaralexis6581]

Glad that Typhlosion won. Typhlosion was my first pokemon ever so I have a special place in my heart for the Cyndaquil line in general. Glad that my all time favorite starter did such a good job in my first ever pokemon game. Access to Thunder Punch makes a big difference since that coverage for water types is so useful. This was a great watch and please keep up the great work. Can't wait to see Feraligatr and Blastoise having their showdown against each other.

[@anotherimpact8302]

Typhlosion didn't actually win,he just fcked up some things on his charizard playthrough

[@TJF588]

"And this is nice, because with my Rare Candies..." Good to hear a plan come together.

[@vincentgo5297]

35:24 You are doing less damage because you used the pinkbow in the first fight and the paracureberry in this fight. (Which you obviously know, just a tiny oversight)

[@BobtheExile]

3:47 In the game's canon (he says it at least once, maybe two or three times), Falkner got his Pidgey and Pidgeotto from his dad. However he got the lvl9 Pidgeotto, it was probably his dad that caught it. He even says after you defeat him "Darn, my dad's cherished bird pokemon"

[@perkypenguin1663]

I think it’s awesome seeing just how much better you’ve gotten at Crystal, especially how much of an impact it makes cutting out Sprout Tower and memorizing the dark areas without Flash. It’s very cool seeing you improve so much at routing. I will say though, while I don’t know if this would’ve been better, I’m surprised you didn’t make use of the Defense Curl + Rollout strategy with Typhlosion to beat Lance in the first solo. Obviously HP Ice is way better for the Dragonite in the second solo, but that caught me by surprise. (Also I think it’s really funny that Charizard learns Defense Curl, but not Rollout)

[@cadencenavigator958]

Aw, I like Flame Wheel. As someone who generally picks Cyndaquil, Flame Wheel is a really cool and fun move. Shame the elemental punch-out circuit is just better.

[@matthewhicks8203]

I waited so long for this video and I was not disappointed. You played both so well and it was incredibly neck and neck. I am beyond ecstatic that my boy Typhlosion won and made it into S tier. Thanks for all your hard work and can't wait for the next one. P.s. Would love to see all three Johto starters do a back port playthrough of yellow version to see how they do in Kanto.

[@Flatthew3333]

Typhlosion was my starter in my first game. The memories of my dear Volcano are coming back.

[@nozomi90]

I'm rooting for Typhlosion! despite it not really being super great, it's my favorite starter line. Silver was my fav game growing up and out of the many times I played most were starting with Cyndaquil.

[@anni321]

When I took over my brothers GameBoy Color, I also took over his pokémon games - red and silver. I always played the fire starters, always. This felt really nostalgic, thank you.!

[@ReederMG]

Happy to see my boy Typhlosion. I have fond memories of playing Crystal as a kid and steamrolling through the league with him. With Flame Wheel, Earthquake, and Thunder punch, nothing even slowed him down until Lance. He's still one of my favorite starters to date, even though he's way worse in HG/SS because of the Special split and not getting Thunder Punch. And Charizard struggled exactly where I expected, Lance with his Gyarados and Aerodactyl. Rock Slide on a fast Mon is just devastating for him, and he didn't have an electric move to easily take out Gyarados. Absolutely LOVED this video!

[@n64_kfp]

I thought Typhlosion would win, but didn't think it would be just this close. Really great runs by both! I am extra excited for the next video, though, as I'm partial to the water starters.

[@kevinsips3658]

Wow, I'm honestly surprised the winner won, but I'm glad because I like that pokemon! Very good video Scott, thank you!

[@JaharNarishma]

I really like the attitude to mistakes and optimisations that are pointed out in the comments. It sounds like "Yup, I made an oopsie." Nothing big, but it is adressed. Example, the Sprout Tower referenced repeatedly.

[@Rex133TV]

Impressive performance by my boy Typhlosion! The Cyndaquil line has always been my favourite fire starter, my only negative against it is that I've always liked Quilava's design more than Typhlosion, but it is what it is. Looking forward to a Cyndaquil run some day! As I got older and learned about the various mechanics of the Pokémon games, I was always surprised that fire was a special type and not a physical type, though I'm not sure why. Could argue either way really!

[@Submissive-Soul]

best poketuber on KZbin constantly pumping videos even tho he has less than 100k sub i really hope u get millions hopefully in 10 years youll be living in a mansion and have everything you need and want you deserve it buddy btw im out of hospital and im able to completely walk on my own can even do most stairs now gained 15 lbs was close to dying i wont forget the day of surgery i woke up and one of first things i did was watch one of your videos you just released

[@darkokat]

Hope you're doing better. As someone who had a major health issue I know how much it sucks. Be strong and keep watching good KZbin videos

[@PokeMaster22222]

As I said in the Meganum/Venusaur video, Charizard does get Flamethrower much earlier than Typhlosion, but doesn't get ThunderPunch, so the drake will melt through a lot of the game but will likely struggle with Water-types more. As for base stats being identical...y'know, if I could, I'd alter Charizard's stats to make him more physically-oriented - switch his Atk and Sp. Atk, at least in Gen 4 onwards. The Kanto starters are all primarily special attackers as it is, and Charizard's physical movepool in Gen 4+ is so much wider than his special movepool (not to mention Swords Dance, Dragon Dance, and Belly Drum), so I think turning Charizard into a physical beast is justified. Just like how I'd turn Sceptile into a physical attacker, too - the physical Leaf Blade being his signature move, along with most of his moves being physical as well, and his design, all scream for his Atk and Sp. Atk to be switched.

[@KainaX122]

It appears that the endgame demonstrated REALLY well the importance of move pools. That coverage from Thunderpunch seems to have given Typhlosion a HUGE advantage

[@OmniPoe2]

I'm only at the first playthrough with charizard, but wouldn't flamethrower do more damage in the sun than return

[@Hex17alv]

This is currently my favorite KZbin series! I'm so excited to keep watching your content❤🎉

[@Lucifers-Stepdad]

Very excited to watch this but still want to suggest that it might be better if the frontend of the overlay would reflect prospective damage ranges on secondary (and later) runs to remove human error when thinking about special vs physical. Lots of love.

[@JJ-qo7th]

Base stats are identical. Typhlosion may have trouble in the first gym. Charizard may have trouble in the...third? The one with the rolling cow. Lance's Aerodactyl needs to go down in one hit or the quadruple-effective Rock Slide is going to wreck Charizard. Poliwrath may give some trouble to Typhlosion, while Charizard may have Wing Attack by then. On balance I think Typhlosion barely takes it, but I'm rooting for Charizard. Pokemon Red was my first game in the franchise.

[@zenitfan4life]

I agree with your assessment and prediction. Small note, Typhlosion will have Thunderpunch for Poliwrath, and can also take advantage of it in Pryce's gym and potentially for Kingdra.

[@veghesther3204]

About that Milktank is a PITA to fight if you don't kill her in 1 hit using ANY Pokemon including your OWN Milktank if you were do a Milktank only run.

[@zenitfan4life]

@@veghesther3204 it can get out of control quickly, but not for the first two turns because it's not rock type and rpllput takes a while to build up. So aasumin you're outspeeding, a 3 hit should be fine.

[@veghesther3204]

Well in the Gen 2 games I could have Rollout 1 shot 6x LV 30 Pokemon instantly including Quilava itself if you don't beat it in 1 attack but in Crystal you actually would need to put it to sleep/Paralyze it twice due to its held item that cures that effect though Charizard/Typlosion don't really have a easy way to cause those effects to begin with. it also doesn't help that MOST Starters will be MALE and Milktank will use Attract IF possible.

[@Apfeljunge666]

I wonder if Charizard could utilize Hidden power electric or grass and Dragonbreath to get through some of the tougher fights.

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

Yeah same, at least with hidden power grass it will get a slight boost if he still uses sunny day to counter the rain dance.

[@jameswhite2308]

Grass moves don't get any buffs in sun

[@AlphaDal-if9vv]

@@jameswhite2308 nah? We’ll never mind then haha

[@kurry8837]

Holy I’ve been a sun since you had 1k subs happy to see you at 60k man you deserve it

[@evawhite1144]

Ah, I just wanted to leave some advise for the Feraligatr vs Blastoise run. For Fer more specifically: 1- Skip Sprout tower, and head directly to Falkner. Fer should be able to sweep with rage. If the Pidgey only hits with tackle at least 2 times, that should be enough to build up enough rage to one shot Pidgeotto. 2- rage strats are also the way to go vs Bugsy, especially against Scyther. If it hits you with fury cutter at least twice, that should be enough, in addition to all the previous damage accumulated from the two cocoons. 3- to beat the rival before Ilex forest, and especially his Bayleef, you might have to temporarily teach fury cutter to Feraligatr. You can get rid of it as soon as you enter Ilex forest for Headbutt or Ice punch in goldenrod, but fury cutter might be the best way to beat his grass starter at that point. You can't build up rage cause he starts with a gosht. 4- Don't forget dig in Goldenrod. Feraligatr can learn dig. Ofc, you can also beat Whitney with rage spam, especially if she locks herself into rollout, but dig might also be useful. 5- For Morty, his goshts obviously don't have levitate, cause there's no abilities in this gen. But dig should be enough to get one shots on all his goshts. That in addition to bite should be enough to get you through him. 6- Chuck's Primeape should be an easy one shot with Surf. And Poliwrath might just be Feraligatr's first obstacle, cause it has nothing to hit other water types with. That's why I advise you to try and get return before Chuck to hit the Poliwrath and any other water types. If you can't, I guess headbutt should be enough. 7- If you do Pryce 1st, then by then you should have return for his two water types: Seel and Dewgong. Should be easy one shots, and Piloswine goes down to Surf. 8- Jasmine might seem intimidating at 1st glance, but don't fret. Her magnemites go down to dig, and Steelix goes down to one Surf. 9- Claire should also be easy. Either return (which is preferable because Fer has a higher attack) or ice punch the Dragonairs, and return the Kingdra. If Meganium could get one shots on them with return, so should Fer. 10- Against Will, you'll also have to rely on return, and kinda bite if you want to. I don't remember if Fer gets Crunch in gen 2, but Ik for sure it gets bite. You'll have to rely on it and return to get one shots. 11- Koga should also be easy with a mix of Surf, Earthquake and return. 12- Bruno is always easy. Just use return and e-quake. 13- Karen is challenging. You'll have to insist with e-quake on Umbreon. Luckily after it goes down, all her other mons are easy. Vileplume goes down to return, Gengar to earthquake and so does Houndoom. Murkrow is a joke. 14- Fer should not struggle vs Lance. Surf and Ice beam should carry you. Use return on Gyarados. 15- For red you might want to set up with curse after beating Pikachu, and sweep with either Earthquake or return. If you outspeed Pikachu, then take it down with Earthquake, and then proceed to set up with curse on Snorlax and get one shots on the rest of his team with either return or earthquake. If you ask me, a good moveset for Feraligatr for the Red fight, would be: curse, return, earthquake, and rest. With that, Red should not be too hard. With that, Fer should sweep through the game, it's less than ideal sp. Attack not a problem.

[@shimauta1941]

If it's the same story as with the grass and fire starters Scott won't be able to apply any of your advice for the water starts video. The runs have already been played the video is just in the final stages of production now.

[@jmobraz]

Yesterday I was thinking while doing de dishes: "I miss Scotts content..." Hahaha. Maybe I should consume then slowly 😂. Just start watching and, off course, loving it. Thx Scott. U ar helping a community to sustain the love of pokemon game lovers

[@discgolfwes]

"roll the Whiney intro" I see what you did there

[@765craven4]

It's kind of wild that Charizard isn't compatible with Thunder Punch in Gen 2 but is in the remakes. He got it in Platinum and has been compatible with it since.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Maybe they realized how badly he needs it!

[@andreapareti324]

23:01 as a Feraligatr fan, hearing this makes me really happy 😁

[@tonysauruswrexu4623]

Typlosion was my Ace when I bought Gold back when it came out. I purchased the Japanese version from a local GameStop and used Flameboi exclusively through the game. I solo’d the game with him using Flamethrower and Flame Wheel because they did big damage through the entire game once I learned them. I could only memorize what potions and poke balls were from the store since I couldn’t read the Japanese. Lol beat the entire game, including Red, with 0 knockouts and no guide. I just grinded enough as I wandered around from area to area. I think I ended the game with him being level 83. Flamethrower, Flame Wheel, Quick Attack, and I think Thunder Punch. It was a really fun experience to beat the game in Japanese before I ever got it in English!

[@bigkirbyhj666]

Honestly these play throughs makes me wonder what it'd be like if you back porrted the starters and did a race with in gen 1 with something more like a gen two move set.

[@Spudmay]

These have been awesome man! Absolutely love getting to see pokemon in a new light.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

also, non-volatile status conditions persist when a pokemon switches out (unless the pokemon with it has natural cure, but that's only in later gens)

[@Lucky_B4stard]

ChaRIZard's back sprite looks so awesome in this game!

[@Hayateknight123]

I am pick Typhlosion basically because of thunder punch and lacking the flying type. Charizard has the same abysmal matchup vs Lance that Ho-oh had without the massive attack to help out. One has half of Lance’s team to worry about while the other has basically return for the entire team. Unless Typhlosion loses so much time elsewhere which I don’t really see I doubt Charizard in the first playthrough can pull it off.

[@timjones7009]

Agreed. Pretty sure everyone has beaten gen 2 with just typlosion and a water pokemon

[@kevinkurani93]

Happy for typhlosion's results. Good work.

[@parkermacinnis3977]

You're on fire with these videos!

[@masterfy24]

21:50 Edit: I finished, and I am ALSO excited Ferligatr and Blastioise. Unrelated, but I have a few versus suggestions/ideas. 1. I want to see a battle between Magmar, Jynx, and Electabuzz in gen 1 (maybe gen 2 as well?) 2. I now want to see who will win? Pikachu vs. Eevee in Crystal. 3. I also want to see which Kanto Eeveelution comes out on top in Crystal, and how they compare to your Umbreon and Espeon results.

[@darkshot4424]

Awesome video, i thought charizard would win but i was rooting for typlosion (cyndaquil is my favorite pokemon) so i was shocked and happy to see how close it is.

[@NativeGolfer10]

I love Scott’s foreshadowing that sometimes a secondary typing gives you an advantage that pushes you over certain battles and anchors you in others. That’s 100% the case with Charizard. Typholision being a mono fire type with a little coverage gives it a small enough advantage over Charizard which is probably why I favored it over its Gen 1 counterpart.

[@richardcarrillo4827]

Super excited, feraligator is gonna wreck it! I named mine Sakuretsu from the yugioh card sakuretsu armor.

[@shanoc5902]

Really fun video! I suspect that if you were to redo this race in Yellow version (with a back-ported Typhlosion) Charizard would win due to the prevalence of ground types and Earthquake, making the flying type a much stronger asset and without a Thunder punch TM Typhlosion wouldn't quite have the coverage advantage against Charizard. Still, it was very nice to see my favorite starter evolution line do well!

[@walkingcorpse1224]

Wow!!! This was so exciting to see! I absolutely loved it! Btw you should just put Ditto in the impossible section. 🤣 I don't think u can beat the game with Ditto at all, may as well just put that cute lil' pink blob right in there.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

We will find out on Sunday.

[@walkingcorpse1224]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Ohhhhh snaps!!! The Ditto challenge is happening OMG! I can't wait to see this!!! 🥹

[@KainaX122]

I was about to ask ‘Didn’t these two have the same stats?’ RIGHT as Scott started talking about it 😂

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

I always thought it weird that a Pokémon learns a move its weak against.. like seriously doesnt digging underground harm a capable fire Pokémon lol

[@giacomoalessandrodeluca]

Great video Scott. Can't wait for the water starters brawl

[@bateltheassistant]

The fire starters are my favourite,and in particular Typhlosion and Charizard,😊 which made me feel rooting for them both. These results were surprising me quite a lot, I thought that having a secondary type usually is better,but I guess that the last 2 videos were proving the point that not all secondary types are an advantage. But I think that charizard was dominating the early game because of its early access to flamethrower and to a flying move . But Typhlosion had the right coverage for each major battle . But if that match was held in gen 4 the results were really different.🤔 For now, I'm not sure if Feraligatr would win this one because it's more of a physical attacker , but blastoise has not so good moves in terms of level up . But I assume that these two will have similar results . One thing is for sure I'm really excited for this.😊

[@kingcygnus]

I feel like at the end we need to make an adjustment to the S Tier. It’s clear that there’s a ton of really good Pokémon now, but I always feel like tier lists should follow a normal distribution. Maybe

[@devinbuettgenbach2941]

I've always liked Charizard design wise but when Gen 2 was new Typhlosion blew me away which is pretty surprising since my favorite starters tend to be the water or grass types. I'm excited to see how these two titans match up with each other

[@hojo-was-right8175]

pretty close match up.Goes to show that even with same base stats, having a different type & movepool make a huge difference (in terms of effectiveness and time) looking forward to Krunch vs Ninja Turtle

[@MrVelyx]

"This is fine" -dog in burning room

[@ayayumi6111]

I am the absolute biggest Typhlosion fan, and I went into this video expecting the worst. Over the moon to see my little fire badger do so well against arguably the most popular fire starter. 🥰

[@shadowtitanx3962]

Overall, Fire type is much better in Johto (Gen 2) than in Kanto, since they do not have many struggles as they do in Kanto (Gen 1), like Lorelei's Lapras, Lance's Gyarados, Yellow Giovanni, Misty, and Champion's Sandslash and Cloyster, relying on STAB Fire Blast for those that learn Flamethrower late or cannot learn Flamethrower, like Arcanine and Moltres, having move puddles for some, like Flareon and even Moltres, and having very middling Special for most Fire types except for Ninetales, Flareon, and Moltres. In Johto, they resist Ice, have better Special Attack than in Gen 1 except for Ninetales (Nerf), Moltres (Same), Rapidash (Same), and Flareon (Nerf), have better access to Flamethrower at slightly earlier levels for some Fire types, and their weaknesses are not as problematic or exploitable as they were in Gen 1 other than Water types. There's not a lot of Earthquake or Rock Slide users in Gen 2 compare to later Gens, where teams have far better diverse movesets. The matchups in Johto are way better for Fire types than Grass types, since Fire hits at least neutral or Super Effective against everyone but Clair and Lance. As for the runs themselves, coverage is the name of the game for Typhlosion. Thunder Punch is the main thing it has over Charizard's Flying type. Thunder Punch really helps against Water types, allowing it to run Hidden Power Ice for Lance. And, there's no major trainer that uses a Water/Ground type until Gen 3, where Hidden Power Grass would be an option for Fire types. Charizard not having Thunder Punch hurts, since it would have to choose either HP Electric for the Water types or HP Ice for the Dragonites. Still, both of them have a very good time for Johto thanks to their overall matchups in Johto. I wonder how will the Water starters fare. Water is a consistently excellent type throughout the series.

[@wildresin6292]

Pre vid i vote for Typhlosion I LOVE YOU MATE im just going to sleep its my last vid before it and i got 3 amazing news... 1 Typhlosion > Charizard 2 Charizard > Venusaur 3 Venusaur demoted a rank!

[@JJ-qo7th]

I predict Feraligatr. Neither it nor Blastoise have good special attack, so they're bad at attacking within their element. Blastoise wastes a lot of points in special defense in a game where electric and grass don't have terrific representation. Feraligatr has 22 points more attack, equal defense and speed, and a little more hp. Same base stat totals, but Feraligatr is simply optimized better for this environment. It also starts with a better water move. Teachable moves, where they matter, are the same.

[@Dylan-xw3sl]

I recently did a playthrough of Crystal on my 3DS with a Typhlosion. I was super lucky to get a full power hidden power ice DV Typhlosion, which was absolutely amazing to play with! That is definitely the best combo for Typhlosion in Gen 2!

[@TripleShizzle]

Impressive that they were so close together! Great runs

[@arthurviana3957]

I'm excited for your 6th generation butterfly battle: butterfree vs beautifly vs vivillon coming soon several years from now.

[@JamesM1630]

Ah yes the battle between the ultimate life form and the dragon thats not a dragon thats gets every mechanic in the series

[@Salnax]

I have no particular comment to make, so here's some competitive GSC tidbits. Although the Fire type is still not that great in GSC OU, there are FIVE Fire types in the Borderline tier, including Charizard and Typhlosion along with Houndoom, Moltres, and Entei. Charizard's niche compared to other Fire types is interesting in that it is based around using Charizard's relatively weak Attack power. By breeding Charizard with Snorlax though, you can get a Charizard with Belly Drum, making it the fastest user of that move available. Just set up a Belly Drum and use Rock Slide and Earthquake to defeat everything... at least everything that isn't faster and capable of using super effective moves (Starmie, Raikou, Gengar, etc). Typhlosion's niche comes from not being a Flying type like Moltres and Charizard (thus taking less damage from Electric and Rock moves), being more Special-oriented than Entei, and having access to Thunder Punch. It can serve as a mixed attacker using Fire Blast, Thunder Punch, and/or Hidden Power Grass/Ice along with Dynamic Punch and/or Earthquake. That said, you might notice that there's not enough move slots available, and not all of these moves are amazing, so Typhlosion can be played around once its gimmick is figured out.

[@PureStealth]

When I was a kid I pronounced it Tie-Flow-See-On, the explosion part of the name went completely over my head lol

[@lamiaprincess6371]

Cannot wait for Feraligatr versus Blastoise. The return of the immensely powerful Gen II Rage will probably give Feraligatr an edge over Blastoise in the early game, but also its stats are just kind of...better. It's really, imo, the first example of a base stat spread that has been tuned up compared to the rest. Also, as an aside, Feraligatr is only the speedrun Pokemon of choice for a little while iirc, they use RNG manip to pivot to Entei later on because well, yeah a Level 40 legendary Fire-type you can catch before Morty would be pretty good. I don't really have anything to say about the results of the video though. I think I expected Typhlosion to win? There's just less difference between these two than Meganium and Venusaur, and I think Thunderpunch was always going to be the difference maker between the two. The really high times between these two and Ho-Oh do suggest to me that Fire-types are probably positioned pretty well in Gen II as a whole, but we don't really have the data for it like we do in Gen I.

[@yorecf9641]

I just checked and Feraligatr is still the top pick for speed running the entire game for both the English and Japanese records.

[@derekrobb2458]

Ampharos and typhlosion right next to eachother in the teir list makes me happy

[@xepikhybridx602]

I actually remember the only time ever having a legit Charizard on my old crystal card. It was traded to me by a friend for a ampharos. I trained it over and over as my favorite mon. First ever lvl 100 mon I ever had, and it was absolutely beastly. I used it to solo red up to the honor battle. My slash was too much.

[@windowofpane]

Probably somebody said this already, but blastoise is also the speed runners choice in the remakes of gen 1 (fire red and leaf green) So they are both speed champs in their own right, that run should be amazing!

[@riverturtle2855]

Before I watch I am going for fire badger 🦡 🔥 🤘🏽🤙🏽

[@JDFrank20Diaz]

Rare Candy 🍬 before Bruno With Charizard Having Pokemon Yellow Flashbacks of Arcane Losing twice to Bruno 😂

[@TangerineTux]

Rage is kind of fun against Whitney, when her Clefairy uses Double Slap and every single hit from it boosts Rage. Obviously not the most efficient when the alternative is to knock out Clefairy in one hit and Miltank in two, but fun.

[@oatsen1618]

My favorite part of gen 2 was when gamefreak decided ice types were too op and needed another weakness and for fire type to resist ice.

[@pizzahutkidman8806]

Access to Thunderpunch is what pushes Typlosion over the edge and, honestly, makes it one of the most powerful starters in the series. It's funny how it and Ferigator are just really fucking good, so Megainum looks that much worse in comparsion. (I wouldn't say it's as good as Swampert, or Prernima or Skeledirge but I would put it in top 10 of best starters for a single player adventure) But yeah, lack of it really hurts Charizard. Elemental punchs in gen 2, despite only having 70 base power, showcase just how powerful type coverage is.

[@V-Jes]

Not in Gen 4 and beyond tho when Thunder Punch became physical, making it pretty much useless if you aren't overleveled, while Gen 2 Feraligatr is not very good overall thanks to being a physical Water type...

[@Run2127]

The double punch Dig and Headbutt would be a decent moveset for Pokémon Stadium standards

[@kode-man23]

Dropping some knowledge on the different types of status conditions. I knew that confusion was different because it didn't persist outside of battle, but I didn't know what it was called in relation to the others.

[@mariogorgees3489]

after the Kanto vs Johto starters videos maybe you can eek out an extra video doing Bellossom vs Vileplume (another Kanto vs Johto but with Gloom Evolutions)

[@mistermr2147]

Awesome video again Scott! Have you ever had an Arepa?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

What is that?

[@niko-fr9of]

As soon as you said your were going to do a fire starter run i knew thunderpunch was gonna be massive

[@olavjorvik94]

Can’t wait for Spinarak and Ledyba😂 They should really be able to do the Johto side quite easily, but can they defeat Red? Not sure.

[@RenegadeGamer89]

I recently found out something interesting about Flame Wheel while playing Crystal Clear. If you use it while you're frozen the attack will go through and unfreeze you.

[@loudwhispre9406]

31:40 Use Thunder Punch?? Also, Feraligatr is the speedrunning Pokemon for Johto thanks to Rage. They have to use Totodile vs Falkner and Croconaw vs Bugsy, so they can't steamroll with a fully evolved Pokemon, and Rage is broken in Gen 2. Rage stacks in power going from 1x to 2x to 3x and so on until it's at 255x power whenever you click Rage, even if you miss. It's absolutely broken and you should remember it for Feraligatr if there are fights with multiple Pokemon he can't oneshot back to back, because by the 3rd or 4th Pokemon in that fight, Rage could likely OHKO everything that's left. Obviously max friendship Return outdamages Rage since Rage starts at 20 power and Return is 102 power, but Feraligatr *_starts_* with Rage.

[@5minprod]

I always figured level up evolutions are partly based on the trainer's experience, bug catchers and youngsters have over leveled pokemon because they are inexperienced, Falkner got his pokemon from his dad, an experienced trainer we can assume, who could likely get a Pidgey to evolve earlier than us, the average trainer

[@ChaosWindScar99]

My Prediction as I haven't watched very far into the video yet, Charizard will probably win, Even though Typhlosion has a much better move pool yet again, Charizard gets flamethrower 26 levels earlier which I feel will be a big difference maker but we will see... Edit: *Spoilers* I have finished the Video and I'm happy to say I was mistaken. Don't get me wrong I like Charizard, but Typhlosion is my favorite starter Pokémon. Not only that but Charizard is game freaks favorite child alongside Pikachu (two megas and a gmax form). I thought the flamethrower difference was huge but it didn't matter when it came to coverage, although I bet that was the reason they were so close. Looking forward to the next video. Also fun fact I accidentally misspelled Charizard while typing this comment and its actually an option on spell check and no I never added it to my dictionary.

[@trenter41]

I’m an all time water starter, and I LOVED Blastoise and Feraligatr, and I’m not sure what you’re gonna get for the out come of their face off, but as much as a love Blast, I feel like if you were to do this challenge in HGSS, Gatr would be an ABSOLUTE BEAST with the physical/special split

[@costby1105]

Even without it Normal + Water coverage hits everything in Gen 2 neutrally and Feraligatr has significant advantage over Blastoise in attack stat opposed to Blastoise only having a very slight advantage in Special Attack.

[@fangjustice]

My mon Typhlosion putting in work!

[@Robin93k]

Beware of it's "super effective" Spikes!

[@Dullstar2XQT]

My guess is that Charizard does better in this game but Typhlosion might do better in later gens, since Charizard gets immunity to ground, but that 4x weakness to rock can be brutal... in Gen 3+ where there's actually some threatening rock moves. Although rock is a more threatening type in Gen 2 than it is in Gen 1, at least, so that might help Typhlosion. Now to see what actually happens...

[@buddyfree1321]

Legends arcues made me like typhlosion a lot more. I love my baked ghost badger.

[@josephgarcia8209]

31:39 Thunderpunch the Crobat 35:25 Typhlosion had a Pink Bow initially, which is another factor why it could have done more damage at a lower level than at 58.

[@blakeschwab7518]

i was rooting for charizard although i like both. this vid was soooo good.

[@dragonexpert8323]

Interesting. I thought Charizard could learn Solarbeam in Crystal but according to your layout it cannot. That is going to make it an interesting video because Sunny Day, Solarbeam, Flamethrower can make a great set later on.

[@corbangonzalez4935]

I'm super happy Typhlosion won I knew thunderpunch would make a huge difference and my bets on feraligator to win the next race since it's great for speed runs with rage plus it evolves earlier

[@PenguinMafia336]

I honestly didn’t think Typhlosion would do so well. Love this video Scott!

[@alexkulis7295]

Do you think hidden power electric would have been a boon to charizard for opponents like gyarados and blastoise? I realize you give up some power with hp ice against dragon types, but it seems like the water types were slightly more problematic that I’m curious if hp electric would have smoothed that out.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

HP electric tanks the HP DV makes Clair and Lance less consistent and Blue’s Gyarados isn’t really a threat. It might help against Red’s Blastoise but I already had the sunny day strat for that, so I didn’t think it was a good choice.

[@alexkulis7295]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon thank you for the insight. Keep up the good work. I’ve been really enjoying your content.

[@UnknownVir]

I'm curious about designing a script for tier lists... where do you get the assets that you use for it?

[@Medabee8]

19:54 - Incorrect. You can buy and use a Pokedoll to escape the Red Gyarados. The game acts as if you defeated it.

[@tonpalacios2964]

I've soloed gen 2 silver and crystal version with typhlosion. Return, earthquake, flamethrower and thunderpunch with leftovers at level 64 is all you need