The Longest Con In Video Game History

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The Todd Rogers dragster saga is one of the juiciest stories in all of video game history. I was addicted to researching the dispute when it arose on Twin Galaxies and the entire story has never been portrayed properly. This only barely touches the tip of the iceberg of the corruption that went on between Rogers and Twin Galaxies.
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[@JMUDoc]

Todd: "I once rolled a D6 and got a seven." "That's not possible." Todd: "Were you there?"

[@omnipresentsnowflake4698]

Just because it's a D6, doesn't mean the highest value has to be 6~

[@FenrisRM]

HUMAN. ELEMENT.

[@2013Arcturus]

I was using a +1 Longsword, duh.

[@alexanderharrison7421]

Todd has an excuse here He could be working for the SCP foundation

[@johnathoneducated3181]

@@tylerpooley1453 jeeze calm down

[@Ponen77]

I think as punishment Todd Rogers must be forced to play raid shadow legends for the rest of his life.

[@scooble_]

A fate worse than death....

[@emrt8023]

He might end up becoming a raid shadow legends grandmaster. Is that a thing in raid shadow legends?

[@karnezar1404]

BREAKING NEWS: Todd Roger's now holds the record of beating Raid Shadow Legends in -1 seconds. Unfortunately no one was there to confirm it but he definitely did it

[@MrBubbly.]

E-R-T he might even become a grand administrator

[@papyrusongfuel4110]

Play raid shadow legends here... Im sorry i have failed everyone Todd 2021

[@Pwop_]

“What could I have to gain by fabricating a score” *Literally his whole life has been based on the fabrication of that score*

[@strangelf]

So nothing to gain lol

[@jondoe384]

Incredibly sad omg xD

[@realtalunkarku]

everything

[@DavoInMelbourne]

The world's 3rd saddest cunt. Donald Trump being #1 and Kari Lake being #2 obviously.

[@bmo14lax]

Look at that miami vice chest hair dude doesnt need any recognition hes a sex icon already

[@Nyg5618]

I went to school with Todd and let me tell you you’re wrong. He is an extremely impressive person. I remember I onece got a call 102% on a chemistry test. A perfect score and I got both bonus questions right. But when I told Todd that day at lunch, he informed me that he had score or 250% on the same test. Another time I was just getting to the golf course and Todd was just leaving. He informed us that he has just shot 18 on 18 holes. It took all the fun out of playing, knowing I could never be as good. So I left. I could go on on things he accomplished , but I think you all get the picture. My only regret is that I never personally witnessed any of his feats. Any tell you how often I “just missed it”. Like when I walked into the gym just I time to see him airball a 3 pointer. He let me know that it was the first he’d missed all day. Before that shot he had hit over 2000 in a row. I felt bad about potentially distracting him.

[@Billybhoy]

No bother bell end

[@Thomaas551]

I thought this was real and not a joke at first.

[@albailey2346]

Yeah it took me a while to realize lmao.

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

Got me in the first half

[@davelowets]

C'mon guys.... 😒

[@alkohallick2901]

Imagine that your entire life revolves around having the high score on Dragster.

[@aidenoleary7406]

Correct. How pathetic

[@PigeonMayne]

@Ricardo Ignacio is it more pathetic for the player or the youtubers tho? lmao

[@QuestionYourWorld]

High score in Dragster? I could only hope to be so accomplished by his age.

[@TheDoctorofOdoIsland]

It's like the main villain of the first Ace Ventura movie, whose entire existence revolved around one football game.

[@fabiii9954]

Imagine that your entire life revolves around LYING about having a highscore on Dragster.

[@nameofthegame9664]

I think Todd actually believes that he got 5.51 because he’s been keeping the lie for so long that it became reality to him.

[@nameofthegame9664]

KoivuTheHab Yeah was thinking the same exact thing. I bet Todd would pass a lie detector test without problem because he has reprogrammed his memory.

[@kabobawsome]

I know it's 3 months late, but it's entirely possibly that he remembers getting a 5.51, due to having repeated that over and over and constructing an entire story based around that.

[@danieldonerdieb7730]

The Cartman-syndrome

[@Gojira_uz]

Or maybe he just misread a 7 for a 1 and still believes that to this day.

[@getmeoutofsanfrancisco9917]

Thats what happens to a lot of people. Convincing ones self of whatever reality he or she wants to exist.

[@skylar5257]

That “you weren’t there” excuse just sounds like a Tod Todgers version of “you wouldn’t know her she goes to a different school.”

[@doctortimm3245]

TR : Hey! She's a transfer student from Canada, and she's super hot! - then take a picture with her and prove it. TR: Um, i can't, she's.... umm... allergic to cameras! Yeah, that's right!

[@PartnershipsForYou]

@doctortimm3245 dude she’s totally real I met her at bible camp we totally did it bro

[@doctortimm3245]

@@PartnershipsForYou TR: [puts a girl's sweater over nearby chair] Yeah, my super hot girlfriend is in the bathroom right now. You probably saw her around, smokin hot bro! Guy: Isn't that from the Brady Bunch? Or some old sitcom, Canadian girlfriend thing? TR: YOU WEREN'T THERE! Because everyone knows you can just make stuff up and by telling others they didn't witness it personally then it can't be disproven.

[@gaynebula6439]

Todgers is a fantastic name for him

[@MajorOctofuss]

Not me having a bf in a different town in middle school

[@theenderdefender8620]

Todd is that kid on the playground who keeps making up new rules on the spot so he doesnt lose

[@gavinopolis]

He's the kid who would block the entrance to the slide and ask for a "password", then change it when you get it right.

[@T-1001]

Some dude I've never heard of lied about a high score on game I've never heard of.... and yet I watched the entire thing.

[@Lucas.Blevins]

You know, normally I get a bit bummed out when people take the raid sponsor as it’s a pretty meh game, even when compared to some of the other mobile ads popping around. That said, because he qualified it with such good news/reasoning, I couldn’t help but smile when the ad really started. Funny thing, I came down to the comments to see what others thought of the plug, but your comment was the only one I could find! Such a great community this one is.

[@benji9045]

Same man, same

[@DLBBALL]

Same here...

[@cybergogeta0433]

Same here to lol

[@zecondplace]

Same and now I’m interested in speed running games I like but also not really cuz effort.

[@joshhodkinson9677]

Todd: “I once won a game of Connect 4 in only 3 moves.”

[@mumujibirb]

Technically, if you don't count the moves made by the other person, then only 2 moves by you are required. Of course, the other person would have to let you win...

[@sorrenblitz805]

I drop my second piece in to connect four, already in second gear

[@Coockiez-007]

I love big booty bitches -Abraham Lincoln

[@glemonsbhatkin514]

@@mumujibirb eh? You need to place 4 counters in a row...

[@mumujibirb]

@@glemonsbhatkin514 well, if the other person is colourblind, and you give them the same colour pieces...

[@Daniel-rq6lk]

I've watched this about 30 times. No joke. I keep coming back to it. The fact this man bases his entire life on a fake score of an Atari game no one cares about is fascinating.

[@troywright359]

But they did care, back then. Early 1980s high score game recognition is different from 2023's speedrunning community on twitch. If we don't understand what the recognition of the (false) high score enabled for Todd, then we miss the point of why he continues to protect the lie today.

[@CamelGarage]

You’re wrong, Todd todgers cares! lol 😂

[@budadi]

Wow, 30 times? I listned to it while drivning for 13 min. Sholdve just sit quiet. This was NOT interesting at all

[@TomMurray-pd5jj]

@budadi, wrong

[@lasskinn474]

@@troywright359 back then nobody cared that much either. thats what walter day had to do, to say that it wasn't super niche and convince the journalists that it wasn't really niche. the score enabled todd recognition in a fairly small circle. like 99.999% of gaming nerds were even unaware of him. it didn't give him an avenue to make a decent living or anything either, to be a twitch star or something. it did enable him to pose around in their weird twin galaxies subculture and that was enough I suppose. it was a really weird subculture though where everyone seemingly focused on this one thing that was special just for them for them to be like a superhero player of that one thing even when in reality there were already videogame competitions, quake clans competing, subspace teams with weekly practices and so forth and they were still in their little circle telling each other that they're the best videogame players there ever were watching some vhs tapes from each other while there were already people competing against each other for money elsewhere in far larger sub cultures than their little club.

[@gamingwithfaulty9508]

I submitted my fair share of console record scores to Twin Galaxies in the early 2000s. It was kinda complicated, you had to film yourself playing, from powering on your console to end of game with no interruptions, and then ship the VHS tape to TG. Even a blurry part in the vid or changing the angle could invalidate your record. I always said it couldn't be that hard for everyone, there's gotta be some "friends of TG" that had it easier. After 20 years, I rest my case.

[@Jrez]

I'm curious how much Walter Day knew about what was going on. I want to believe he's just a trusting person, even to the point of gullibility, but I can only assume the truth is a bit closer to the notion that he didn't _really_ care whether scores were all fair and true. Otherwise I don't see how he would have allowed judges to approve scores for friends, or treated anybody as a "trusted" player whom you could always expect true submissions.

[@JohnZombi88]

@@Jrez Watch The King of Kong and see exactly how corrupt they were. Steve was robbed.

[@ghagefuoco8373]

@@Jrez Pre-2014 Twin Galaxies was an investment scam. Walter Day is a former sketchy arcade owner from the Wild West of video games (pre-crash) that started Twin Galaxies cuz Billy Mitchell, his business partner, owes him a shitload of money for failed business ventures so they invented the Billy Mitchell is best gamer story out of whole cloth to make money off of business deals to pay off that debt. Everyone that wasn’t them were merely unwitting pawns in their decades-long scheme.

[@nick_sapsford]

In king of Kong you see that they believe they’re being objective but they’re actually giving different standards based on their perception of the character of the submitter. People they know get almost no question and can ignore rules, while anyone else is placed under a fine tooth comb

[@bobjoe1593]

@@oinkoinkoink That part sort of makes sense for a niche organization that was involved in remote competition, it's a place in the middle of the country for if you're considering the potential of hosting meets- people on either coast split the pain, and not really a conventionally 'prime' location so you can get a decent space cheap, and if you are a potential attraction and have plans on bringing in events, you might get some support (and a generally amicable relationship) from the local government and essentially free advertising from the media

[@Lh0000]

I love how Todd talks about the dragster in game, as if it functions like an actual dragster...

[@crocodilerock4662]

Oh my god that’s so true... “I engaged the clutch, revved the engine to give my dragster fuel, and when the countdown hit 0, I popped the clutched and shifted into second gear”

[@MaddyBlackbart]

@@crocodilerock4662 IT genuinely sounds like how a kid would describe a video especially if they were lying. They add more details to make it "believable".

[@Xanris]

@lh0000 - Can you blame him? LOOK AT the insanely realistic graphics!

[@FLEASPIRIT13]

lh0000 s

[@nachosNipples]

@@crocodilerock4662 dude i was just assuming game was that intricute somehow

[@ATLAoftheHill]

"His ultimate downfall was mathematics. " Just like my time in High School and college

[@mustafaamin9516]

I felt this one

[@caidynmorales6095]

[X] Same

[@eatmypanart]

I'm ashamed to say I had to change to another degree because of maths 😔 Saddest thing? I was really good at them until the year before going to university. Now I even had troubles adding easy numbers and I get scare and block myself, don't know what happened with my brain all of sudden

[@gaiusjuliuscaesar9902]

@@eatmypanart Lack of confidence, I would say.

[@recordkeepingandinformatio8206]

Dream...

[@bigstackD]

So sad…... He lied so much in his life that he actually believed it to be true🙄🤦🏻‍♂️

[@Austin_Soares]

@bigstackD Casting, I love your work!

[@kuokublaikhan]

And about something so incredibly trivial that he's possibly the only person who even cared in the first place.

[@MajorOctofuss]

Honestly I think this explains both him and billy mitchell, they’ve been living this lie for so long its hard to ever imagine anything else.

[@StoneTheCr0w]

No one asked.

[@heiselproductions_01]

Well, George Coztanza once said "It's not a lie if you believe it." Unless your name is Todd Rogers. Or Billy Mitchell.

[@themonsterunderyourbed9408]

"I reved my engine and gave fuel and popped the clutch on my video game dragster with a controller that has 1 button and a joystick."

[@willnestor6422]

He says it as if nobody else has ever tried it before or after.

[@TheBroski]

"The great thing about books is the fact that we can read them" - Karl Jobst, 2019

[@audiosurfarchive]

It really, really _REALLY_ do be like that, though. It do be like it is. *IT DO.* What's a book; that some Boomer shit or something?

[@TKUltra971]

He's right you know. After gaining this knowledge I've been reading audiobooks non stop.

[@MegamikazeMoriko]

books lie really often science should be all experiments and zero reading

[@audiosurfarchive]

@@MegamikazeMoriko science lies really often. It should be all mathematics and no citations/""""peer review""""/IRL fanfiction creation

[@TheJadeFist]

Truly a master wordsmith

[@ELPRES1DENTE45]

I love how he says he "really had nothing to gain" aside from the nearly FOUR DECADES of career/privilege that he's milked for every last measly, single, solitary drop from this one little lie.

[@Fran1189]

That's the problem isn't only one lie, he says that has another world records

[@Someguyhere111]

"What do I have to gain?" *lights and smokes dollar bill*

[@maxxdahl6062]

@@Logan_93 Pitying them would be okay, if they didn't screw others out of rightful achievements. If it were lying about something that didn't screw others over, sure.

[@nicosmind3]

Even people interviewing him to find out why he is a liar, is people paying attention to him and him getting attention. Something I bet he still likes

[@Caffeine_Addict_2020]

I really can’t think of a situation when I’ve been convinced by that statement - I’m going to start saying it for everything - “what do i have to gain by going to work?” “what do i have to gain by going to this movie?” “What do i have to gain by eating this bag of chips??”

[@MotivatedMan]

My Favourite Part is this is a video about lying, deceit and corruption and Billy Mitchell is just casually somehow in the background of this story

[@xoeleox2079]

The "if I hadn't really achieved this score, why would Activision hire me? Also, I had nothing to gain from fabricating the score" line still kills me.

[@KnakuanaRka]

Yeah, the “I had nothing to gain” thing is stupid enough because of how much he’s gained off the alleged record, but the fact that he *points this out* right before and *still* doesn’t realize it knocked me dead! x_x

[@329link]

Last time I checked, you can't be present for an event that never happened. So no todd, we weren't there. Neither were you.

[@imleohi192]

@ironmike southern you destroyed him

[@flow185]

We can do that but to answer that, we need to talk about P A R R A L E L L E U N I V E R S E S

[@cthrekgoru]

How do you explain events happened in neverland ?

[@merchantziro4285]

​@@flow185_YA-HOO!!!_

[@Fleshypie]

Got em

[@sebagopotato6200]

Parenting tip: if you mash the use key while changing the nappy you can skip the animation, shaving seconds off your run.

[@richardg8376]

Believe me when I say you DON'T want to use any skips when changing a baby's nappy or burping them after a feed. Usually it will result in a net 15 minute time loss as you have to then change the baby's clothes and bed sheets after they explode out of their nappy or burp all of their dinner back up. Further penalties may include a slap around the head from the wife.

[@sebagopotato6200]

@@richardg8376 XD man you topped my comment haha.

[@Ph0b0sAn0maly]

Both these comments are win! 😂

[@Ph0b0sAn0maly]

Karl thought that his diaper changing time of 2 minutes, 11 seconds couldn't be beaten until his wife achieved this run... [Video follows]

[@user-ml5ls4ld8b]

@@richardg8376 That's only for the "Glitchless" category, for Any% you want to mash that use key.

[@foop145]

The way he describes his dragster like an actual vehicle with an engine and fuel is so classic lmao

[@casperrabbit7254]

It's nice to know that no matter how boring I think I am, I'll never be the guy whose whole personality revolves around getting a good score on a near 40 year old Atari game :')

[@eriklarson9137]

There's the right attitude. It's fascinating watching these goofs act as if this stuff matters. It would be the exact same if you had the world record albino squirrel collection... Annnd who wold care about that? Exactly. The same number of people.

[@JohnZombi88]

And it's not even a good Atari game 🤣

[@John-Doe-Yo]

I was gonna say pretty much the same thing. I enjoy watching speedruns and such but I can’t understand how this goober got all this attention and rode that wave for so many years.

[@troywright359]

I don't know. If he actually had the record, I'd say that's something.

[@Abhorrence353]

"Tood Rogers is a man of low character," is the most polite way to call someone a "lying scumbag" I've heard.

[@dontatme1290]

AbhorrenceSA this comment is fantastic

[@LoneStarHawaii]

Lol that's cuz the video maker called him plenty of other names (like the 1st sentence of this video). He had to class up the insults at some point.

[@jamestor6700]

@Mazxj Stripes a competition he lied in and gained quite a lot such as being hired by activation and many different companies because he beat their perfect score, he also appeared on TV segments. Todd claimed he was trying to build a career from his fabricated speedrun. Todd gained money and recognition he didn't deserve and took it from someone else who did. This isn't just about the speedrun, did you even watch the video all this information is in it?

[@jamestor6700]

@Mazxj Stripes "No speed runner deserves recognition' why is that?

[@JustAnotherRandomPersonOnline]

@Mazxj Stripes Are you ok? At least your honest.

[@teutonic_crusader1175]

Honestly, his claimed record on dragster wasnt even the worse. His claimed score of 5.51 isnt that far away from the theoretically best time of 5.57 His claims on other games were much worse. For wabbit, a game in which a rabbit and a farmer fights over a farm, he claims a score of 1,698, even though the game literally ends once you reach 1,300; and the score only increases in increments of 5. This shows that he either never actually played the game or that he was so obsessed with his high scores that he literally made them up from scratch. Another example? centipede for the atati 5200. Todds claimed score is 65,000,000 (65 million points) The actual, certified high score? 58,078. These examples show far better how much of a liar he realy is.

[@pikariocraftf2802]

@The smore emperor - oh yeah I remember your name being written at the start of Lord of the Rings.

[@farhanatashiga3721]

@The smore emperor I love sarcasm

[@gianpaguiligan1358]

Ghdf I love playing on my “atati 5200”

[@smurfaccount7945]

Back then, computers shouldn't have been able to count to 65 million because the bitrate of numbering systems in that code wouldn't have been able to support it...

[@Snprwlf]

@@smurfaccount7945 this is not really correct. You of course could also display the number 100.000.000.000 since the invention of computers, theres no limit. All you have to do is string together several integers. Instead of 100.000.000.000 stored as one number, you simply have 4 number labels counting from 1-100 each.

[@superpowers04]

Imagine an alternative universe where someones Atari glitched and incorrectly returned a 5.51 instead of a 5.54 and there was no proper proof so it faded into obscurity

[@cat-le1hf]

If Todd was smart he would've claimed a solar flair bit-flipped!

[@0v_x0]

​@@cat-le1hfoh those pesky neutrinos

[@dmatthews7423]

Dude didn't want his record broken; made it literally impossible to break. Big brain move.

[@DrandelSheep]

I write a code to generate a number between 1 and 10. *Todd gets 11* Everyone: "That's impossible" Todd: "YOU WEREN'T THERE"

[@crockiller67]

If he did it in binary it would be possible :)

[@mr.troublemeyer1810]

Another individual erected this joke a month prior to you.

[@mr.troublemeyer1810]

@@seantaggart7382 I never stated it was. I only concluded that another biotic structure erected this joke. Comments are not of your ownership either.

[@mr.troublemeyer1810]

@@seantaggart7382 I also must conjure the statement that the reply "@Mr. Troublemeyer HEY on the internet comments arent your property" is admission, as it does not subject the comment to a manner of denial.

[@seantaggart7382]

@@mr.troublemeyer1810 just go

[@lunova6165]

'I was 16 and had nothing to gain by fabricating that score." Yep, besides the fame and fortune, getting invited to gaming events, recognizing your self, an being recongized as one of the world's best gamers, and arcade gamers.

[@DiamondDust132]

@@TheLexiconDevils you ride like TAS baby :)

[@bc_7644]

@@DiamondDust132 holy moly

[@15-Peter-20]

You're beautiful x

[@PhilomathBret]

Yes, and wtf does being 16 have to do with anything?

[@lashseve813]

Like Hitler propaganda advisor said "More times you repeat a lie people are more likely to believe that myth"

[@ZorotheGallade]

I'm binging the Rogers/Mitchell "saga" of Jobst these days, and I realize just how much time, money and efforts the frauds have expended in trying to cling to their titles. Because they literally have nothing else to live for, whereas the people with legit accomplishments they threw shade on just accepted the fact and moved on with their life. Being this spiteful and petty really is its own punishment.

[@retrohanska4441]

Just imagine what they could have done in that time if they spent it on improving themselves instead of on trying to convince everyone of their greatness. For one thing if their records are real, they could used all that time trying to replicate those records. Especially Billy could have by now most earned that score in honest way since it's at least physically possible. If they had over the decades proven themselves as talented, honest and humble people they could have maintained some credibility. But because both of them have shown themselves to be talentless, stupid, greedy and malicious, it's easy to believe their claims were fabricated. The two have done nothing but proven that they would be the exact kind of people to twist the facts for their own gain because that's all they've been doing in their lawsuits. And what a magnificent redemption story it could have been if they took the narrative to their own hands, admitted how easy it was to manipulate corrupted Twin Galaxies, apologized and then went to become actual pro gamers in some other way. But neither of them even attempted that because they don't have what it takes.

[@robinmattheussen2395]

Just as a little side-note: the field of artificial intelligence is WAY older than you think. It has through several "winters" throughout the past 70 years or so, often due to years of disappointing results, but it has been around for as long as general-purpose computers have been a thing (AKA, basically from the late 1950s). Research in this field was done when computers using vacuum tubes was still a thing. Various forms of techniques in the machine learning field go way back, and in the early 1980s there was already research on the use of neural networks for this purpose. Furthermore, Chess is a VASTLY more complex problem to solve than a very simple game like Dragster, you really can't compare the two. (I'm pointing this out just as a side-note, I also do not necessarily believe that Activision had this so-called simulation running.)

[@lasskinn474]

the programmer had probably just a pretty good guess. there's not that much going on in the game loop and the optimal play is pretty straightforward. the times being what they were he possibly just plotted out it on paper when sketching the assembly code and figuring out what were good limits to get the game times into the region he wanted. it's funny how todd and mitchell talk up the companies taking that stuff super serious, like they would dig into it that much. like how rodgers talks about this being his chance to get "recognition" when it was a way to send people advertising merch, like literal chrischan level thinking. todd just got the gig with activision due to making himself available and known to them, that's how you get that such gigs - he couldn't even put 1+1 together about that to get better employment or to learn something worthwhile out of the time there.

[@amwhik]

Karl: "everyone knows Todd Rogers is a liar and a cheat" Me: *being absolutely new in the speed running community * ah yes of course, the infamous one... 👀

[@win_ini]

He really is, and Billy Mitchell the other one actually is used shady buisness practices

[@ahriman935]

Aw, don't be ashamed of not knowing Todd Rogers previously, after all ...yOu WeReN't ThERe

[@PaulHofreiter]

@@win_ini yeah Billy Mitchell I knew as infamous but I hadn’t heard of this guy before. I don’t know much before Nintendo since it was before my time and I haven’t been interested enough to check it out, however this entire story is really fascinating.

[@lotus2647]

same here lmao

[@godweneedarebuild1664]

welcome

[@cheezemonkeyeater]

"Unfortunately, this takes a couple of minutes of research, which journalists today don't seem willing to do." Amen to that, brother.

[@diablofn]

@lelwutlol imagine thinking the mainstream media is leftist, when in America they can't even help themselves from trashing Bernie. typical ignorant, paranoid Republican.

[@diablofn]

such a cringy comment.

[@engineertechno5108]

And, in literally every journalist's eyes, a hard game = dark souls of X genre. Shit I have over 500 hours in dark souls, which depending on who you are, is alot, and all you have to do is learn from your mistakes, anyway I'm getting off topic, journalists < casuals

[@woffe8094]

@lelwut lol wut. Are you trolling?

[@diablofn]

@lelwut can you name one openly communist mainstream news source? and cite the source of their openness?

[@cgsweat]

Todd Rogers looks like a character from a made-for-TV movie, who resembles Ron Jeremy in appearance but still lives with his mother.

[@patrickwittman6214]

🤔 Maybe Todd could file for a new Guinness world record for... "The Longest Con in Video Game History".

[@Fembro]

Imagine being alive for 55 years and still acting like you’re 12 years old. That’s a world record on its own.

[@GoblinsOfFarmington]

No its easy to beat the oldest person acting like a 12 year old what you do is Get old be patient this could take a while When you are old slam your head against a wall/desk/door or any blunt object If you have a friend get them to use a bass ball bat on you this prevents you chickening out Then wait for brain damage Congratulations you did it A better method is be a football player or boxer the brain damage is naturally aquired through your profession

[@flipingboredcritic]

That record would go to Billy Mitchell lol

[@george5726]

At 39, I can't imagine wanting to spend any time discussing some videogame score of mine from decades ago. It's pathetic.

[@creeeamy7133]

If Chris Chan even makes it to that age, he'll smash the record.

[@junglejamesie]

@@george5726 Yeah. It's so unbelievable it's like a really bad Adam Sandler film. Oh, wait...

[@dtmcgmcgr9081]

So a famous speedrunner was proven a liar because of maths. That seems a lot like a dream I once had...

[@MrToddino]

Lol nice

[@joji7851]

Badum tsss

[@lotus2647]

AYOO

[@giosworkshop475]

PP

[@w4976.]

this seems like a comment I’ve already heard!

[@firstnameIastname]

15:36 "what the fuck do I know about playing dragster homie?" LMFAOOOO

[@JasonPeterPresents]

15:25 The stone cold delivery of that whole bit is priceless, I rewound so many times I was crying laughing. It really is preposterous to think that lady would have called to ask some fucking nerds about how they shift in their little game😂

[@Jrez]

Also that she would have accepted an explanation like that with such a clear lack of technical understanding. It's like he thinks it's a real drag race.

[@EdwardHowton]

"I have nothing to gain by lying", says man after life-long career built entirely on claims.

[@icankickflipok]

Seems like everything related to his name was what he had to gain.

[@milesedgeworth4845]

Ironic

[@Willam_J]

I remember beating the 6.0 seconds and receiving a certificate. My name is William, but I submitted my name as ‘Bill”. When I received my certificate, somebody spelled my name wrong and sent me a certificate that said “Bull J....” I was upset at the time, but looking back on it, I’m laughing about it, thinking that they should have sent a certificate to him, which said “BULL”.

[@SFtheWolf]

a LAN party place I went to as a kid held tournaments with trophies and the most desired and talked about ones were always the ones with typos. I was lucky enough to get "Duke #3-d" written like a serial number but not the coveted "Duke Luken"

[@Willam_J]

SFtheWolf - I hope that you still have that trophy. I threw my certificate out, years ago. Back then, I never even knew that I would ever want to see it again. Now that I’m thinking about it, I might still have it. When I got home from college, my parents had all my stuff packed up. (I think they *might* have wanted me to leave. LOL) My mom handed me two large boxes, containing every piece of paper, since the day I was born. I mean EVERYTHING. I have the invoice, from the hospital, for my birth. I was born in 1968 (USA). The entire bill, including three days in the hospital, was $279. Insurance paid $250 and my parents paid $29. It was hand-written, on an invoice, that looked like a restaurant check. This was at a large Chicago hospital, too. Twenty nine frickin’ dollars!!! I can’t even take my wife, to see a movie, for $29. I really need to go through those boxes again. It has to be in there.... 😆

[@ShiaLabeouf0]

@@Willam_J You're an absolute fucking legend mate, you deserve everything

[@truthseeka4673]

Weak ass statement

[@JSchaffer214]

@@truthseeka4673 And your's isn't? Hey pot, meet kettle!

[@MrSpooner1985]

“I have nothing to gain” (because of age being one reason) then you see an interview w/ him at that age and he all smiles to them, just beaming w/ enjoyment at not just being the center of something but also being on tv. Some people love the spotlight and hes getting it for his 15mins; some people have this notion that if its not something tangible, its not a gain.

[@tzvikrasner6073]

Todd's "records" all have two things in common: numerical inconsistency and "witness" testimony with no proof.

[@Q1307]

I don’t think Todd was ever born to be honest, simply because I wasn’t there

[@Neelo5000]

He definitely wasn't born to be honest

[@MinogFarted]

I think so too

[@typicwhisper6569]

He definitely wasn't born

[@8IGHTYY]

@@typicwhisper6569Were you there tho?

[@oldironsides4107]

Even honest people are liars. Last week insaid I saw the movie avatar for some reason at work.

[@Elite7555]

When your entire life and self esteem revolves around a fabricated score from 30 years ago...

[@xrayron9557]

40 years ago lol

[@haniffaris8917]

Hey, that entire life worth a lot of money...maybe.

[@lancekings3206]

@@haniffaris8917 probably fucking lmao im sure wtv cash cow he was milking drained pretty quick

[@tomothybahamothy]

@@haniffaris8917 that's such a messed up way of looking at things. Making money doesn't mean you are worth a shit

[@JackTheripper911]

@@haniffaris8917 No lol its not, and thats a desperately sad way to think of being a pathetic liar 🤣

[@evanpenn1]

And Dragster happens to be one of the only games in the history of video games that took almost no skill. A monkey could hit the button six times.

[@simonjones3863]

Peaking at 17 and trying to ride that little wave your whole life.

[@depalma13]

I once had the high score on Centipede at the local arcade. My three initials above all others. I was a freaking legend for 17 days.

[@clev7989]

Super late, but as someone that used to play a lot of doritos crash course, (and Rayman challenge levels, come to think of it) it felt amazing when I was better than the rest of my friends XD I wish more games had that type of competitive high score mode

[@fangier0]

I remember being #1 on Rayman Legends leaderboard about killing enemies (console version)

[@RealDucky]

@@clev7989 Dont Sub TO Me!!!!!!

[@Ghostguy693]

I once crushed the high score on a TMNT Turtles in Time Cabinet in an Oregon arcade on a family trip. I don't know if they wipe scores or not but I'd like to imagine it's still there.

[@olgagaming5544]

@@Ghostguy693 u gotta go there and check it out... xd

[@drhall343]

Todd looks like a real sleazy plumber who would just pour Draino down your pipes then spend the rest of the time stealing your food and tv. He's like the anti-Mario.

[@skeppio5402]

So what you're saying is Todd is a real-life Wario?

[@emmetstanevich2121]

@@chargedfanboy Yeah, at least Wario actually DOES things to make money, even if it's raiding pyramids, rather than just claiming he did something a fraction of a second faster than anyone else one time without any real proof. Now that I think of it, the only "evil" thing Wario did was steal Mario's castle (that was never alluded to before or referred to since) and to be fair, Mario was a bit of a d*ck to Wario when they were kids. Heck, even when Wario becomes an entrepeneur, at least he doesn't stoop to the levels of the likes of EA, who pad out their AAA games with microtransactions. In conclusion, what I'd like to say, is that Todd Rogers is a little sh*t who doesn't even deserve to be compared to Wario.

[@soursugar4867]

mario when he finds out trumps been in peach

[@LordWompage]

@@emmetstanevich2121 that was a very passionate and powerful speech about the truth of Wario, and I thank you for it.

[@jans452]

wario did something much more villainous than stealing mario's castle. in warioware gold, he planned to pay his friends in exposure for making microgames for him

[@Deadpool_64]

Just think, in an alternate universe, Billy Mitchell and Todd Rogers did achieve what they claimed and are well respected video game legends and are happy in their lives.

[@patrckhh20]

So he wants us to believe that an average gamer in the 70's produced a run that the top TAS runners of today can't replicate. Ok.

[@borkerman]

Todd Rodgers: I got 539 electoral votes Everyone: There are only 538 electoral votes. Todd Rodgers: Were you there?

[@seantaggart7382]

Me: You wanna taste a blade Todd? No? WELL BACK OFF

[@noobgamer-rel]

If I was there Me : your under arrest sure for fraud

[@TheBonkleFox]

When the countdown for the votes started he popped the clutch right as it hit 0 and got votes in second gear.

[@Trogdor390]

Todd: "STOP THE COUNT"

[@Someguyhere111]

This comment hits different now.

[@Ben_the_Rosafan]

Todd Rogers: I unlocked Luigi in SM64. Everyone: Luigi isn't in SM64. Todd: *YOU WEREN'T THERE!!*

[@Prototale1487]

Your at 69 likes

[@callinater6133]

He is in the DS version

[@ttaute]

@@callinater6133 He refers to the N64 version though, but I know that Luigi is in the Final DS Build.

[@GiuseppeGaetanoSabatelli]

Let's be honest. We all had that friend whose dad worked for Nintendo that knew you could shoot the cannon through the Peach portrait on the front of the castle, ride Yoshi, unlock Luigi, get Mew by pushing the pickup truck next to the SS Anne with strength, unlock Sonic in Super Smash Bros. Melee, and get the Triforce in Ocarina of Time.

[@RivaAchor]

aged poorly :p

[@ScrambledAndBenedict]

Jesus Christ. I put less effort into maintaining a loving marriage than this guy puts into maintaining a 40 year old high score on a children's game.

[@YanDoroshenko]

Have you divorced already?

[@seanmcclure]

Video game record drama is always unintentionally hilarious.

[@atarpc508]

Considering what Activision is like nowadays, I wouldn’t ever want the title “Mr. Activision.”

[@nikelinq2899]

Yeah, I kinda agree!

[@twilightparanormalresearch186]

It would at this point be me call of shitty games

[@focalpoint._]

*Call of Duty: Ultra Deluxe Modern Warfare Cold War Ultimate Black Ops Operation VI Hand Grenade Limited Edition*

[@ashorttag-8238]

@@focalpoint._ Hand Grenade?🤣

[@samueld8413]

@@focalpoint._ New Funky Mode

[@scooterjones303]

"I had nothing to gain from fabricating the score." .....later..... "It was the perfect opportunity to make a name for myself."

[@Seemsayin]

You watched the video too?

[@scooterjones303]

@@Seemsayin I believe so

[@DLBBALL]

scooterjones303 No way dude, I watched it too!! That must mean we’re cool. I think.

[@swishyb]

@@Seemsayin woah you read this comment and replied to it? and then i replied to ur kinda equally useless comment? dang dude that me must IM cool B)

[@Seemsayin]

@@swishyb What does your comment have to do with mine? Tell me this, genius... Do you even know what I was talking about? It's only useless to you because you're too fuckin stupid to understand its use. Did you really think your dumbass remark would somehow impress anyone you're seeking approval from? The truth is... YOU are fuckin useless, and desperate for attention. (Truth hurts. Doesn't it?)

[@absoluteauto4]

Todd is a Topper. Whatever you tell him that you did he's done it way better. I knew a guy just like this I used to work with and I would make up stories just to see if he would top them. He sure did.

[@jdlamb4212]

I actually knew 2 guys like that

[@darylchua2168]

​@@jdlamb4212That's nothing I know 4.

[@davidbanan.]

honestly I wouldn't be surprised if Tod has managed to gaslight himself

[@frogchip6484]

Maybe his parents shifted into second gear before the pregnancy even started,

[@Deo499]

@@nikelinq2899 It's not possible. I looked at the code.

[@nikelinq2899]

@salti I’m self aware. No need to remind me.

[@Deo499]

@@nikelinq2899let's just forget today ever happened

[@nikelinq2899]

@Deo Guyadin yes, and we should delete our replies.

[@mistalan]

That's pretty harsh

[@Carzey]

His sources were: *_"Bro, trust me"_*

[@DiamondDust132]

"It happened"

[@S_i_guess]

His source: "Were you there?"

[@greenamogus]

Source: Miami confirmed it to me

[@protostnl6369]

His source: "Take my word for it and if someone says something else, they're lying"

[@RainbowRoadCrashTest]

sounds like a lot of people

[@Hawk89gt]

Imagine being an adult in your 50's hanging on to a lie about a score you had on an 8 bit video game in 1982...

[@davidstaffen6783]

Dude looking back it is amazing how far you've come without feeling like youve chnaged that much. Its quite amazing. Good work man.

[@MurdocIsASaint]

Please for the love of god don’t name your child “Dam52”

[@supermaksas]

Or Firgate22

[@PowerRainbow]

Looper

[@SilentSputnik]

@@terribleusername oof

[@sixpooI]

@@terribleusername haha brilliant

[@shiny5053]

Dan 52

[@bookaufman9643]

I used to love playing pitfall. I had an old Atari set and would turn off the volume and play British New Wave records. Nowhere near getting any kind of high score. It got very hard as you went through the levels and I never even completed it.

[@CChissel]

I love the mass effect music in the BG, gives me nostalgia

[@ErnestoPresso]

The best confrontation is when some youtubers build a hardware TAS so he can't claim the spreasheet proof was false because of the emulator, then invited him on the show and proved him a liar.

[@pjf674]

Do you have a link for that?

[@TStef64]

@@pjf674 Look op the Ben Heck show and Todd Rogers. There are several parts.

[@ErnestoPresso]

@@pjf674 Sure: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnbcknVsm6Z6hK8 This is part1 where they build the machine, part 2 is where Todd appears

[@ErnestoPresso]

@@mjc0961 Sorry, I only watched this one thing from them long ago, so I've kinda forgotten their name

[@glasstuna]

But the TAS doesn't have the human element!

[@damiandassen7763]

17:50 he does deserve a Guinness world record. The record for holding a fake record for the longest time.

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

Uh...Not really. What about Billy Mitchel?

[@borkerman]

@@Goose-fafo kzbin.info/www/bejne/i2GZm5-dpbKnh9U

[@S_i_guess]

@@BrunodeSouzaLino Nah, he should have the record of "Most Absolutely Bullshit Lawsuits Filed Against Innocent People"

[@BrunodeSouzaLino]

@@S_i_guess Patent trolls would win by a large margin.

[@JJ-qo7th]

Thank you, Luke, whoever you are, for making this playlist.

[@Talking-Monkey]

2 years later and this video is still beyond awesome.

[@Talking-Monkey]

Yes 1 year younger me, I still agree!

[@rammbostein]

Todd Rogers did the Kessel run in less than 11 parsecs

[@AsianFlew]

I heard it was less than 5.51 parsecs.

[@jumpman8282]

Too bad no one was there to see it.

[@totophi]

*fewer than

[@lordnerdyguy]

“RAAAWRRRUGHHH.” “Not if you round down.”

[@TheRealAaronbrine]

Aren't parsecs a distance measurement? (Btw Family Guy Reference.)

[@moonandroid5290]

I here by request to the internet overlords, that his name be permanently changed to *Fraud Rogers"

[@AceofSpades-zi6zx]

Underated

[@araigumakiruno]

Todd ‘Fraud’ Rodgers

[@scooble_]

Damn, Roasted him so hard that he turned into a rotisserie.

[@wompastompa3692]

@@araigumakiruno Your comment sent me on a tangent that reminded me of Brian "Brian Kibler" Kibler of Brian Kibler Gaming.

[@azure1259]

I think Slob Rogers also works well.

[@FranciscoGarcia-ns4om]

He's that one kid from elementary that claimed to have gotten mew from under the truck but he could never bring his Gameboy... Even he brought it alot!

[@IHazRhythMIW]

I've watched this a few times now. The statement that "the great thing about books is the fact that we can read them" gets me every time. Great job as always Karl.

[@henrysokol3466]

"... so when someone makes a claim they were published in a book, it's theoretically possible to check to see if it's true." Yet another hilarious understatement made funnier by Jobst's unflappable delivery. And another tough break for Rodgers is that there are still A LOT of copies of the Guinness books from back then, aimlessly hanging around in attics yard sales and secondhand stores. The things are like a paperback equivalent to dust bunnies.

[@effyiew7318]

@@henrysokol3466 You're not joking. I moved recently and cleaned out my garage and found a moldy hardcover copy of the 1982 Guinness book. Back in the 80s those things were as ubiquitous as phone books.

[@henrysokol3466]

@@effyiew7318 And since although no one READS them anymore, everyone still knows they're crammed with cool trivia. So a lot of folks hesitate to throw them into the trash.

[@Perc1000]

Just saying the C Section glitch saves time when speedrunning child birth

[@mrtomfox]

a uterine wall clip

[@SometimesCreator]

Can't confirm, since my mom went the no-clip route 😅

[@Unorignality]

Only in NoCircumcision%

[@Coleanhydros]

Abortion can shave up to 9 months

[@corneelgoethals5175]

If you get up out of bed to go to school in the teen level at just the right angle you can clip through the floor skipping the bathroom section

[@exitmygamekid3007]

Man this is some serious research, well done 👏

[@RosieAnims]

Todd once drew all 5 pieces of Exodia and won despite only having 4 cards in his hand. Shame you weren’t there.

[@michaelmartin9022]

"The maxiumum score possible on this game is 753,555, what did you get?" "Uhhh 8 million" I said on another video that his "records" were the kind of thing a 7 year old invents in a playground arguement, baffling they were accepted for so long.

[@CAMZAB]

Uhhhh I actually said this on another video and to friend at activision a couple of months ago.

[@play-s-_______-osu]

For example in a game called wabbit he claimed to have a score of 1698. The game increases in increments of 5 and automatically kills you at 1300.

[@Graknorke]

They were accepted to Twin Galaxies because of his ties to TG, and people trusted TG because they thought it was an impartial and reliable judging body. It's not a matter of personal belief so much as it is a matter of trust.

[@Skelath]

"I was 16 years old at the time, I had nothing to gain by fabricating a score" meanwhile.. millions of teenagers to this day finding ways to cheat and hack in video games.

[@chrissawyer1484]

Well, he was the one putting them into the TG scoreboard, so there is that.

[@ASMRDoodlez]

"The great thing about books is the fact that we can read them." Put that on a poster and sell it to public libraries.

[@user-se5qr8zr8l]

The trick of a full text search is even deeper. It deserves a university being founded. The lost art of reason.

[@Splitlickity]

You say at one point that (18:48), “two people who *legitimately* got a 5.51 should have gotten the recognition they deserve”. Isn’t the whole point of Todd’s score being fake that 5.51 isn’t possible?…

[@jonjokke5365]

Love your videos 👍💪 got me into the realm of speedruning and now i really have and urge to start speedruning golden eye or doom. Major respect to you and and all the legends, I have been playing ctr for quite a while and I can understand (to some extent) the skill and dedication needed to achieve the times and scores of you and the other wr holders so to repeat myself : major, major respect and thanks for the vids and keep up the good work👍💪

[@ValensBellator]

The funny thing is his dragster “record” was among the least outlandish of those he claimed to hold. He wouldn’t even take a cursory glance at how some games are scored before just posting a claim of some impossibly high number.

[@kurusu1892]

Didn't he claim a score of, like, 1307 in a game that kills you at 1300 and only increases in 5-point increments?

[@ZachAttack6089]

What are some examples of his more outlandish "records"?

[@ckopen7192]

@@ZachAttack6089 he claimed to have a score of 1698 in a game thats score increases in increments of 5 and also automatically ends after a score of 1300

[@plazasta]

Zach Attack at 25:26 there's a whole list of them. By example: Donkey Kong Junior for the Atari 2600; Todd claims to have attained a score of 15 000 000. The second place's score is just 389 800

[@Ben_the_Rosafan]

@@kurusu1892 Yep. Wabbit.

[@Scaash]

I like how he talks about shifting different like the game was as intricate as a real dragster

[@I_am_Kamelot]

"The great thing about book is than we can read them." Damn, that hits.

[@KoOLe3pY]

Sir we only put 2 oranges in the box, how did you take 3 out? “You weren’t there” - Todd Rogers

[@dingusispingus5987]

Considering how this “pop the clutch at 0” thing is a glitch if it exists (which it doesn’t) and Twin Galaxies doesn’t like glitches in their speedruns, it’s a miracle it hadn’t been removed earlier on.

[@dafuqYT]

@Robert Anthony Sound like the recent Trackmania controversy

[@mornananchy495]

@@dafuqYT I know I'm late, but context?

[@dafuqYT]

@@mornananchy495 if im correct, 7 of the the top 10 on the all time leaderboard have cheated records with slowing the time down

[@ACECAL-cl4tb]

Highest scores recognized by twin galaxies don't stay recognized if they don't get $

[@trequor]

Not necessarily. It could just be an exploit.

[@BaconSenpai]

His centipede score is my absolute favorite, makes me burst out laughing when I think about what his mindset must have been when he made it up.

[@HieSpeed]

65mil

[@CaptainGibbons]

@ironmike southern ...Todd?

[@wompastompa3692]

My favorite is the Barnyard one. It's literally impossible even if you modify the game to remove all obstacles.

[@glimmer.glammer]

GRIFFFITHH!

[@HexagonThatReallyLikesVinegar]

People, "So Todd, how good are you at centipede?" Todd, thinking to himself, "Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, what do I do oh god no, uhhh....65 Millon sounds reasonable....I think?" Todd, talking to the other person, "YEAH I GOT 65 MIL"

[@hotwaff]

"His ultimate downfall was mathematics" - guidance counselor explaining to my parents why I had to go to summer school

[@justanotheryoutubechannel]

My theory about the computer run for dragster was that it wasn’t AI or a TAS, the creators just did the maths using the original files and worked out how to get the best possible time, but it’s clear that it was wrong anyway.

[@papaguac9288]

Congratulations Karl the kid is gonna be an absolute legend at speed running.

[@javelinXH992]

Remember, they will have to learn to Speed Crawl first.😃. Congrats to Karl and Mrs Karl!

[@guyrations9635]

The kid is already 45 and has two mortgages.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

Karl Jobst - Pregnancy Speedrun 100% Best Ending [WR]: 8.77 Months

[@Walter_]

tfw you can only play it in emulator 😢

[@barongerhardt]

Had a family member set a PR of 23 weeks, not recommended.

[@Graceksteam]

Or 5 seconds

[@DinnerForkTongue]

I hope not. Best if it's above 9.00. Can't speedrun this one and be safe simultaneously.

[@JomasterTheSecond]

you see if you urinate on the pregnancy test just right it causes a timer stack overflow and boosts you ahead, shaving a couple seconds off your run

[@bf3947]

I’m not much of a gamer and my knowledge of speed running is only that it exists, but I find this whole thing fascinating

[@Daniel-rq6lk]

Same here, Karl has a way of making Speedrunning interesting for outsiders. It's why he has so many views.

[@Elenrai]

I recommend watching pokemon yellow speedruns, relaxed, you get to revisit THE pikachu, and hey, you might learn something about pokémon! @@Daniel-rq6lk

[@Rl-tn1ys]

"Tell a man there is a billion stars in the universe and they'll believe it, tell them that the paint is dry on a bench and they'll have to touch it to believe it."

[@bobbyhillthuglife]

i like how neither of the guys who set the time before him bothered to dispute it, presumably because they had actual lives and had long since completely forgotten about the whole thing

[@troywright359]

They cared enough to submit their times, I'm sure if Activision had offered to make a big deal out of them, they would have taken it

[@JRPennyPacker]

@@troywright359I wonder how it is they both claimed the same impossible time though.

[@0v_x0]

​@@JRPennyPackerme too

[@nimblegoat]

@@JRPennyPacker KJ - said it could be they submitted polaroids of 5.57 and someone read them as 5.51 -some sevens can look like ones - suppose need to check Dragster

[@Brother_Piner]

@@nimblegoat Clear photos of the Dragster numbers show that they’re pretty distinct. A 1 has the bottom and top tail, and the 7 is curved so they’d hopefully not look to similar. Going back on various forums from back when recording video games was pretty shoddy, they blur enough that the top and bottom parts become completely blurred out due to being so thin, and the middle sections both turn into a straight line. So I guess it’s possible they misread a 7 as a 1, especially if the Polaroid was dogs***.

[@squierstrat9502]

I once sat in a car with todd Rogers and he almost blew up his engine by skipping first gear all the time.

[@Suzumi-kun]

he probably drives an automatic normally

[@yittmashups]

@uNnHkP8mza Were you there?

[@millabasset1710]

@@yittmashups "Highway to the DANGER ZONE!" I bet Todd imagined the song when he "shifted" into 2nd gear with his plastic controller.

[@XenomorphLV426]

Lmao blew the welds off the intake

[@KerythDraws]

@@Suzumi-kun Nah if your car has enough engine torque you can start moving at second gear. Its not what you want to do but its not gonna destroy the transmission.

[@simonpark843]

Excellent investigative work, and a brilliant video. We need to see that original Polaroid, of course. It's the only way to be sure. ☺

[@chudleyflusher7132]

It looks to me like the mustache is the real villain here. Todd was just along for the ride.

[@willyblondehair8070]

Todd: “i once out pizzad the hut” Us: “that’s impossible” Todd: “WERE YOU THERE?”

[@aarongreenfield9038]

May the Schwartz be with you.

[@onewingedakuma6835]

Lol

[@thesparxeffect9734]

Clever

[@kstxevolution9642]

he shifted the pizza into second gear

[@ChrisCrossRBLX]

@@kstxevolution9642 he made the pizza in 5.51 seconds

[@hoobaguy4311]

I didn't know Ron Jeremy was a video game record holder.

[@littleblackcat2273]

^ Me neither - I never knew him for having a "speed run"!

[@bigshagg3815]

Ahhhhhhh....the Headghog

[@superchickenlips1]

The sooner this comment reaches the top of the page, the better.

[@madscientist057]

Pretty sure that era, that was the look he was going for.

[@foreverdonefor]

I came here to say this lol