Choosing the Best Omega - Pro vs Planet Ocean vs 300

[@laynecook3042]

I think it is so cool that Omega has 3 seamaster models that are seemingly inspired by all 3 generations of diving Seamaster. What a way to stay in touch with your roots.

[@BobbyHahaOne]

It took me a long time to choose which Omega I wanted for my collection and I went with the 300 heritage model and i am very satisfied for what i use it for(everyday wearer)

[@jonathanwelke]

I've owned all 3... in black. The 300 heritage was the most wearable daily. The planet ocean hands down the best quality. And the 300m kinda gimmicky

[@vnay4915]

300 could be the only luxury watch for me. Timeless design of the sandwich dial with domed sapphire which contributes to that lovely distortion of numerals and hour markers under certain angles combined with sophisticated modern movement and absolutely spectacular lume architecture with two distinct colours and the vintage font of lumed numerals make it my favourite.

[@valjean3141]

What’s nice about Bruce’s comparison is that there is no wrong answer, in picking among these three. The “right” answer is going to be specific to each person. After thinking about an Omega for years, I got my Seamaster (the white dial, orange bezel PO) a few months ago. Love it, and have barely taken it off. I recognize that lots of people find the PO too big or too tall for comfort. But I find it very comfortable to wear, despite not being large-wristed. And I absolutely wouldn’t change the PO to make it any thinner than it currently is. But that’s because this is the right watch for me. And for equally personal reasons, the 300 or 300 pro will be the right watch for many others. Rock on, Omega!

[@Tyler-sl6vg]

Ya the 8900 PO definitely does not feel too thick. IMO the portions are perfect. It wears closer to 14mm than 16mm due to the domed crystal and the angle of the bezel. My Seiko MM300 is a 1mm thinner but feels a lot thicker (also fine, though).

[@CCWBarrister]

Thank you, Bruce, for your reasoned analysis, as always. I’ve had my 43mm Planet Ocean with black dial for 3 years. I fall in love with it every time I put it on my 7 1/8” wrist. The high-end finish is simply exquisite. The movement is unsurpassed. It ranks at the top of my large dive watch collection. Love your channel!

[@ianwoollard2063]

I’m getting the Planet Ocean for my birthday this year. It’s the most evolved design and is the best looking in my opinion. Big bold and beautiful

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Yup!

[@JosephMcGlynn]

The 300 Heritage is my choice. Sandwich dial, the most interesting lume, and the most comfortable bracelet of the 3. All great options, but I’ll take the 300 Heritage all day.

[@TheSuaveEntrepreneur]

Best bracelet in the diver category. Just needs to slim down the clasp

[@JosephMcGlynn]

@@TheSuaveEntrepreneur I can totally see that critique. I am glad it has the adjustment capability built-in. I personally find that a "must" at this price range.

[@rjblue42]

Same. I'm now wearing it on a blue NATO and it really rocks

[@NCF80M3]

I’m trying to source one as we type 😅

[@ae-ca602]

1st one from the left for me! Love the jumping our hand.

[@ameza357]

Blue wave hands down

[@Talon173]

Great video, been looking for this comparison for ages. To me combine the case of the 300m with the hands and bracelet from the planet ocean and you’d have perfection

[@timmanion7459]

As always, I bought the Omega Seamaster Specter before the new Seamaster 300 came out a couple years back , both with the lollypop second hand . Absolutely love those watches. Both in black . Good video Bruce . Haven't been able to watch and comment the last few months as I've been away working . Great to be home and watching your show again. I see your still doing great work . Keep it up . Thanx

[@BruceWilliams]

I appreciate that Tim

[@drnick40]

Agree 100% with your ranking Bruce. Love the Planet Ocean!

[@michelestephan1473]

Love my 300 heritage, and to have it run -5 sec/ month for the last 3 months is just so great. I’ve have it for 3 months and I just can’t stop staring at it daily in every angle… just love it, even more than my speed master

[@willsmeg1967]

Great video. I’ve the SMP 300 white dial, Seamaster 300 1957 trilogy, Speedy moon watch from 1985, and the Seamaster 300 Gmt 50th anniversary. Love them all and all get rotation. I’m now on the hunt for my next omega. 😊

[@Ae073001]

I agree with your ranking. I've had the pleasure of owning both the PO and 300P and find them both to great watches with much to offer to the consumer. I love the PO and plan to get another sometime in the future. It feels and looks very premium, and compared to others, even above its price point, the PO holds its own in many regards. The 300, although I appreciate it for what it has and for what it represents just never spoke to me. Another good video entry.

[@BruceWilliams]

Thank you!

[@slanealb]

PO is desperate for a refresh and diet, but there is a white dial/orange bezel reference that is a joy to behold. I really love the 300 heritage as I'm partial to no dates, but all three offer tremendous value in a market where most brands are launching models closer to 10K than to 4k. Another solid BW vid.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

I tried the white dial, orange bezel PO on wrist a few months ago and it brought a smile to my face. Prior to that, I had seen it on display but never bothered to try it on. It’s so important to try a watch on wrist.

[@MrHamiltonian1]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 right on. I keep looking at this...there is something that draws me to it. I'm stuck between that and the summer blue planet ocean. love both. Agree with the original post, so I'm waiting to see if they'll do a refresh for POs.

[@mrbud8524]

Great video. I love the Omega Seamaster 300 42m blue dail ❤

[@cheemomugdoo799]

The 300 in black will be my next watch. It is the best daily driver of the three for a number of reasons. The 300 pro looks cartoonish to me, like a watch a 10-year-old would draw. I am not a fan of the bracelet either, and the helium escape valve is a deal breaker. The planet ocean has better styling than the pro IMO, more subdued, but it's too much watch for a daily, and it has the wart. The 300 is the perfect size, nice classic styling, has AR coating on the inside, which is enough, as the outer coating will wear off over time. Also at 2:17 you showed the first modern iteration of the 300, not the actual vintage watch from 1957.

[@russellgooding7475]

I like all 3. I do greatly respect Omega. The 89** and 88** (my preference being the former), are just great. But when adding an Omega to my collection. I went with another Seamaster, the Aqua Terra. White/Silver dial on the deployant grey rubber strap. It's a go any where do anything watch of high quality. Water resistant to 150M. Seriously how many of us need even anything like that? Had it for nearly 18 months. Obtained with a discount, and it runs at almost bang on time. -1 still during the day, +1 resting dial up over night. Nothing to complain about,other than the resale value isnt great. But hey it is still probably a better all round watch than the equivalent one by "The Crown"..... :-)

[@Sirkelsag666]

I have the 300, there is no issues with legibillity in daily life. Awesome watch, buy it.

[@jeffreybateman7314]

300 bezel lume crushes the others. Also, no helium escape valve, superior bracelet, and the ARC is subjective. It's more period correct, and it won't scratch off. Looking forward to updates on the other two watches soon.

[@steves8322]

I actually like the heritage 300 best… the lume is ridiculous,,bracelet by far the most comfortable and you’re right the entire watch sits great on the wrist..I don’t mind the aged lume at all and the “non” anti reflective glass doesn’t bother me one bit…the light reflects great off the hands and the dial actually disappears like a vantablack at times…looks kind of cool

[@NomathembaNgoqo]

The design of the watches is so beautiful ❤ a perfect gift for someone 😊

[@rrs1234567]

Looking forward to watching the vid! I walked into their boutique this past weekend, completely remodeled, upscale, looked great. They kept mentioning how rare pieces were and a haughty attitude that wasn't there before. Could be a one-off experience, but I continue to be unable to buy into the brand.

[@BruceWilliams]

Well to be fair *some* of Omegas watches are rare or uncommon, but not most of the catalog. Perhaps they were trying a sales tactic that bombs on educated watch fans like you. That is too bad

[@rrs1234567]

@@BruceWilliams 100% fair, I think that's exactly right. Again, could be a one-off. I tried on the Speedmaster '57, gorgeous. Would be great to see you review it!

[@bobp63]

The Seamaster 300 was the hands down winner for me, love the classic style and wearability. Also think it carries the best movement of the bunch, love the no date dual barrel movement. As far as AR goes it has it on the inner surface but not the outer surface. Tudor did the very same thing with their 2022 Ranger release. In both cases it’s done to make the domed sapphire crystals appear closer to the vintage domed acrylic crystals of the original models while also providing all the advantages of sapphire. I own both watches for the very same reasons, they bring modern movements and materials to fabulous classic designs. Maybe it’s just because I’m older than most of the reviewers of these watches but the retro esthetic of these releases really speaks to me. They’re all great watches, but for me this reviewer definitely didn’t understand what this watch was all about.

[@yz8096]

Great video, Bruce. I concur with your assessment of these 3 watches.

[@gavinBsussex]

I bought the SMP300 last year on the bracelet and liked it but never really bonded with the watch overall. I just bought the steel mesh Omega bracelet and it has totally transformed the watch to now be one of my most favourite watches and easily the most comfortable watch to wear, so I guess the bracelet makes a big difference. If you have a SMP300 look at getting the mesh milanese bracelet if you can because it will change the wearing experience for the better.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

The Omega mesh bracelet is nice but man, it’s pricey.

[@gavinBsussex]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 can't argue with that and not everyone can justify sending £740 on the mesh strap, but if you can, then it is probably a good upgrade for the watch in my experience.

[@user-cm3wd5hk1p]

I’m really hoping we see a PO revision this year. Omega-Steel, thinner and I’d really like to see a matte ceramic dial option as well.

[@patrickr6297]

It’s coincidental that I’ve owned and sold all 3 of these models. I agree with your ranking! I had the 39.5 PO tho, and really enjoyed all but the heft.

[@stefanpersson240]

Agree with you. The PO for me (in black preferably). The movement and the bezel grip a deal-breaker for me over the SMP. I didn't get the design of the SM300 and it also lacks a date function.

[@ericmoss8344]

Love that Blue 300... and I love the vintage looking lume, w/the pop of modern. The Planet Ocean needs to slim down their case to below 13.5mm and it would be on my wrist right now!!

[@warrenrhinerson6373]

Diver 300 is my personal favorite but would love the heritage. The planet ocean is too think for me

[@TheBimmer74]

I chose the 300 pro due to wave dial and movement. PO would be my 2nd pick.

[@jackprick9797]

Thanks for putting these three together. I was wondering how these compare and to me, seeing them side by side, my pick would be the Pro with the skeleton hands.

[@laurentsantamaria2296]

Everyone need this 3 models !! Everyday watch the PO Then a Diver 300 End the 300 for the vintage soft days There are so cool , not hard to find and almost reasonable prices !! But the best PO ever is the « unlimited 42mm Quantum of solace » ❤ So beautiful

[@hugohernandez3651]

All are beautiful. My favorite is the Planet Ocean by far. The 300M has become too popular. Omega fanboys used to say everyone has a Submariner. Guess what? everyone has a 300M now...😅. No surprise...it is an amazing watch.

[@ericpignatore5317]

For me it's the Planet Ocean. I have it on my short list. I've tried it on and I love the way it looks. It's definitely not a small watch, but I have rather large wrists so it fits well for me. I am partial to the black bezel with the orange numbers.

[@SkilfulLeader1]

Yep me to, have the orange/white version. Fits like a glove for my 7 1/4” wrist. 👍

[@thomasdekleermaeker4978]

Excellent video, one of the few if not the only one comparing these 3 Omega dive watches. Aqua Terra is indeed a very good watch as well, but I suppose the idea was to compare 'Omega divers with a bezel'. I have a more technical question, curious to learn if you/anyone have/has the answer... Why does movement 8900 fit in the Aqua Terra (41 mm case) but not in the Diver 300 (42 mm case)? Other way around, why is the case of the Diver 300 ‘so big’, when the same 8800 movement fits in the Planet Ocean 39,5 mm ? Thanks, whatever happens with this question 😉

[@ryangochuico]

Pro for me. I have the black dial and love it. My personal ranking Pro > planet ocean > 300 Reason: I like the 6 o'clock date window, i like the ceramic wave dial, and i like the indexes on the pro.

[@choond]

Thanks exactly what I was looking for

[@anthonystevens8683]

It's great to hear your thoughts on these three Seamaster watches Bruce. I like the Heritage model but preferred the previous version personally. Some years ago at the AD I compared the 300M and the Planet Ocean and after what seemed like an age I went for the 300M white dial, I just loved the symmetry of the dial and it was just more comfortable and balanced on my wrist. I have to agree with the bezel action though, not that the 300M is bad it's just not as a refined feeling as some other options but works just fine. Thanks for sharing.

[@fromm78withlove61]

the 300 but the previous iteration with the ceramic bezel is my pick!

[@gtcih]

I recently purchased a Rolex Sea-Dweller. My Planet Ocean is more of an eye catcher. It has more wrist presence IMO.

[@whodeycinbengals]

The P.O. but in the smaller case size would be my choice, although I hate the helium valve on it and the 300m. I think the Heritage has the best bracelet though. Also, the new 60th Bond 300 m is pretty sweet and the mesh bracelet on that model is a definite upgrade over the standard 300m bracelets. And even though I don’t buy green watches, the green 300m is lovely

[@BenMwatches]

Love the seamaster 300 heritage Looking to add the blue to the collection atm Not to say the PO or 300M aren’t brilliant - but a little to flashy and tooly for my needs Side note - I have that covered with my Pelagos 39

[@mikesmusicden]

I have the Planet Ocean (43.5mm) in black and it is an awesome watch - I wear it nearly every day. It does not wear as big as it sounds 👍

[@phillipraymond3143]

Great comparison. Planet Ocean all the way!!

[@younusimam-thesalamproject6340]

Totally agree with you on all this! Great options but the bezel action needs to be improved on the SMP300

[@MegaBlackley]

You forgot the Seamaster Aqua Terra. That’s going to be my next watch (Not the small seconds, and white dial on rubber strap.)

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

I think Bruce was comparing just the divers.

[@jodysilvia2]

I made the mistake of buying my smp 300 pro from the AD at retail. Unfortunately, omega takes a massive hit on retention value, so I suggest you buy omega grey market.

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Agreed. I made the same mistake one year ago but the good thing is I love the watch. It was also nice to have the “boutique experience” but, yeah, no more LOL.

[@Mike-bw5om]

Prices are going up again

[@sagarkaul08]

Me too

[@RedwoodAggie]

I am right there with you on your thoughts on the Seamaster 300. If it had white lume, I might have ended up with that watch instead of the Explorer II 226570 (milestone birthday purchase). For some reason, the Planet Ocean has never been on my radar.

[@mwalle66]

Pro 300M with the 300 heritage bracelet please!

[@bajamedic]

I have the black 600m, it was my first real watch. I am ordering the green sea(weed)master and will be looking for the 300 in blue.

[@TommyRibs]

The 300 Heritage model is stunning. The 300 Professional, while kind of dated looking, is really cool in person.

[@markblain8438]

You are correct. Plus the arrow has to be on minute hand

[@gynechiatrist]

Well this is how I solved this. I wore my brother’s professional for a day. Then I wore my coworker’s Planet Ocean for a workday. And then I bought the Heritage in black. And I bought a 3 month old one from Japan via EBay with remaining Omega 5 year warranty for 4k, tax, title and caring charges included. And I wear it on a black Fkm tropic strap as I would otherwise beat the clasp and bracelet to death. But it’s perfect for my tropical climate (Mississippi). All are great watches. But it wears wonderfully.

[@MrBrift]

damn - just got to get all three.... maybe in different colours?

[@BrasilOO7]

300 m first: most beautiful bracelet, iconic dial and… “The James Bond” watch. 😊PO is too thick, Pro: no date, no go!

[@BFit25]

Kinda comes down to what you’ll use it for. If it’s for the office I’d say the heritage (polish). If it’s your weekend adventure watch I feel the Seamaster diver 300 is better with a rubber strap and more versatile. PO cool too but obviously a thicker watch.

[@scotttorrens1863]

If you are a desk diver I would go with the Heritage. I have it. It’s great. If I was going to use it as an everyday outdoors watch, I would go with the Proffesional.

[@Randy_G]

The 300 has been a grail watch for me for at least 30 years.

[@Koishishibaman]

Kind of like the planet ocean the best. Sharp looking diver. Heritage 2nd for me. Think I am a little biased. Just got a Po titanium from 2011. Stunning watch that fits so nicely.

[@johnrogers6616]

I always think the date window is too small. I looked at planet ocean sort of regret not getting it. I got an iwc aquatimer 200p in white

[@Thelimey]

I went with the speedmaster over seamaster, but the 300 is definitely the best out of the three on show here !

[@jeffrx]

I sold my Seamaster Pro. Just wasn’t feeling the bracelet and that He escape valve, which is useless for most of us. I do like the PO, although I do think it would be better without the extra crown.

[@gethinchristian]

Nice one Bruce.

[@kickstothehead3705]

Great vid but I’d flip the order I like the vintage look

[@CombatRat]

As I said in one of your previous videos, I'll go for a SMP in a smaller case and tapered bracelet. PO is too thick and I prefer the design of the other two more anyway. If they had a dateless, thinner version, it might be a different story. 300 Heritage is cool, but I'd go elsewhere for a vintage styled diver.

[@marc7983]

So none then. Got it

[@mickd4610]

The PO. I own the 39.5 and put a half link in the bracelet and it is perfect. Wears exceptionally well and is very classy. I previously had the 300m diver but it isn't in the same class and I hated the bezel. Amazing watch.

[@Mike-bw5om]

How often do you use a bezel on a watch 😂

[@mickd4610]

@@Mike-bw5om regularly

[@kevinp4305]

Great comparison Bruce. Do you think Omega will redesign the SMP 300 next year? It will be 6 years since the current version was released.

[@highnrising]

The SMP 300 is still relatively new. The current Planet Ocean is already 7 years old and most in need of a design upgrade.

[@kevinp4305]

@@highnrising The PO and SMP 300 are only a year apart. I think Omega may release an updated version of the Seamaster 300M next year for the 30 year anniversary.

[@carnipex99]

300 ftw ! Bracelets matter! I agree it would be better with white lume however

[@Daavi85]

All three of these are great watches but aesthetically/dimensionally I wouldn't trade my original 2201.50 42mm PO 2500, it's still one of the best looking modern Omega divers, they really executed the design well.

[@praetorian2450]

That Seamaster 300 professional dial though is probably the best. They way it reflects light is something else, you have to see it in person to appreciate it. Also it's the only one that can pass off as jewellery out of the three in my opinion. And lets be honest, watches nowadays should really be jewellery otherwise what's the point

[@Wildcatjames1]

All three look awesome in their own way. I have the blue 300m and love it, although I did want the PO, but it was just too thick as a daily wearer. The heritage 300 is so damn refined though, and looks so classy on wrist. Omega does blue incredibly well!

[@svfutbol20]

The Diver with the Planet Ocean bracelet and 300 bezel 😂

[@watchesgadgetsandstuff]

This is a Grail for me! Pretty much the best Omega (the 300) to date - at least in my opinion!

[@ats-3693]

I have the PO 600m 43.5mm with black ceramic dial and bezel, I love it and wear it everyday. The only thing that I think could be better is the bracelet/strap pins, as a professional deep sea divers watch I think that it should have heavy duty screw in pins that go in through holes on the outside of the lugs instead of regular spring pins, I've had spring pins pull out/break on watches in the past after catching the strap on something so I know from experience it can happen, it would mean having slightly ugly holes on the outside of lugs but would give peace of mind, I don't even wear mine swimming at the beach because I worry that I could snag the bracelet/strap on something while messing around in the water and unknowingly have the watch fall off my wrist 😳

[@highnrising]

The Planet Ocean is too big and clunky for most people, most of the time. Omega does not even provide the watch thicknesses on their web site, probably becasue they're a bit embarrassed. And the dial, with the 3 oversize Arabic numbers and the exaggerated arrow hands looks almost cartoonish. The SMP Diver 300 is a great, all-around casual watch. The heritage Seamaster 300 is more dressy and arty. I don't particlularly like the one you show here, but the "bronze gold" version with the black dial on a leather strap is pretty striking.

[@LarrySealeArcheryCoach]

The technical specs are on their website as big as Dallas. we get it - 😂you couldn't find a deal on the PO so you had to go with one of the other models. No reason to be simpish.

[@scottwexlin6456]

No bad choices here. Since I already own the 300, I’ll go for the PO, if I were buying another Omega diver.

[@markwertschnig8766]

This is where im stuck. I have 7 inch wrist, well maybe a tab larger and love the PO, but 16 mm is huge. Is the one you have in this video the 43 or 39mm

[@BruceWilliams]

It's 43mm in this video

[@jamier5639]

I'm partial to dates on my tool watches and if the Omega Seamaster 300 had one, I would snatch one up quickly.

[@stevefox8605]

I'm the proud owner of the previous heritage SM300 - really dislike the current model, the Panerai numbers look naff and don't resemble the original, unlike mine 😉 ( & lumed bezel? What were they thinking - looks like it belongs on a tacky microbrand imho) Do like the PO and was tempted, but just too chunky for me . The 300 pro doesn't appeal in the slightest, really dislike the indices and it's too flashy for my tastes..... Wish Omega would redo the 2254, I'm sure it'd sell better than any of them. Cheers 👍🏻

[@kevinr206]

Heritage is the best, because the only one with no date. I’m waiting for 165.024 reissue, but I’ll settle for diver professional in no date or thinner planet ocean no date if we can get upgrades

[@Hlbkomer]

They are all beautiful.

[@andychang7137]

Get them all is my choice~ Sm 300, James Bond 60th, PO 75 th anniversary Can’t be happier~

[@Mike-bw5om]

300m definitely a iconic watch

[@2K9s]

Thanks. Debating between a sea-master 300 and planet ocean… then there’s the color.

[@POLKOVNIK0]

*Who is best? Best is 600m/2000ft... because in my hand...* 😅😅

[@Libertà_sulla_vita]

The seamaster 300 1957 is the best imo but im a sucker for vintage omega and rolex.

[@rolandogonzalez3756]

Never understood the argument of the “90s” design on the 300pro bracelet. You could say that oyster o jubilee have “50s” design on them. All of them are classics, no matter when they where designed.

[@mannycalavera2335]

I like the 300 best for its vintage style looks and simplicity. I used to own the previous model. But ultimately, these are all just too big. I really tried to make it work but could not.

[@morgan97475]

This is why I have my rule of only one watch per brand. If I didn't, I'd have all three of these.

[@bobj8877]

I have the same rule. I own 3 Omegas and 2 Grand Seikos. Oops. I no longer have rules. 😅

[@morgan97475]

@@bobj8877 I pity your wallet.

[@bobj8877]

@@morgan97475 😂 that's only half the collection

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@bobj8877 😂😂😂

[@chareric]

The 300 is very legible. I find it to be the most legible of all 3. While I like the lumed bezel, in practical use, you can barely see the numbers unless you've just walked inside from the sun.

[@joshuajuarez3471]

I would be happy with any omega to be honest. But dang. $6500 for a watch. Is hard to justify a purchase in this world now. So many fantastic, work horse watches and dress for $1500-$3500. But man I love omega. I would have to figure out some impossible task to reward myself with one. And is actually a good idea to start on lol

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

Definitely not inexpensive. If I were you I’d try some Omegas if you have the opportunity. Then try them again at another AD (if possible). You’ll eventually know which is the Omega for you. Let it be your only pricey watch and go to the $1K to $3K price range later.

[@joshuajuarez3471]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 yes. Most def. That’s what I had in mind my friend. I was recently trying on and looking at some omegas. Man they are so nice just can’t decide on which one. Seamaster heritage or a 300. But still love the planets. Bad think I think my wrist size, sized me out of the planets, but I love them. The speedy 57. Beautiful. But. $10k. No sir. $6500. Yea. But that’s impossible

[@joshuajuarez3471]

@@eyeheartsushi2212 thanks

[@eyeheartsushi2212]

@@joshuajuarez3471 It really is hard to decide on the Omegas. I understand the issue with the PO. I also want one even if they are thick watches.

[@kokhui32liau88]

The 8900 series movement is technically slightly better than the 8800 movement. I own all 3, a SMP 300(8800) blue, Heritage 300(8400) black, And a PO(8500) all white. All wear very differently n all are a perfect into any collection. If u really only to get 1, I will recommend the (8900) PO.

[@deangundlach7164]

Seamaster 300 best watch I’ve ever owned. Better than my submariner better than my Brietling

[@antipartisan6921]

I wish PO would be thinner

[@bani_niba]

I like the 300/heritage and PO for their no-nonsensense functionality. The current SMP is too blingey for me and I don't like it's over-stylization that hurts functionality - scalloped bezel= hard to grip, skeletonized hands=less lume, unnecessary helium escape valve.

[@tomski6811]

The helium escape valve spoils them for me.