Prometheus EXPLAINED - Movie Review (SPOILERS)

[@nerdlord20]

Another thing: when David and Halloway are talking, David doesn't spike the drink until Halloway says he would be willing to do "anything and everything" to get his answers. I always thought it was David's way of getting permission first.

[@jimbobeire]

Yeah, presumably he had to somehow get around prohibitions on harming humans, so getting Holloway to utter a form of words that could be read as permission to experiment, is a way of doing that. Just like when he misleads or insults humans he does so in a vague manner that can be interpreted in more than one way, rather than straight up lying or insulting them.

[@johnunkerman]

it’s the old biblical archetype. sell your soul to eat from the tree of knowledge

[@JustAnotherPaddy]

nerdlord20 -that’s a really good point that I didn’t notice! I also think his dismissive attitude helped David’s decision along, too. He could just as easily infected one of the security goons. David didn’t like Holloway. Answering the question of creation as ‘because we could’ is dumb and a lie. We create in our image...and to serve us. Sound familiar? It only makes sense that David brings it full circle by doing some creating in this movie and the next of his own.

[@troubleinparadise2190]

@@JustAnotherPaddy sounds just like L***** saw a lot of biblical references just like when he took her necklace even tho he still gave it back at the end still just something to think about

[@haryadiwijaya3304]

there are a lot of micro expression that David actually already error in its way of thinking, especially when Weyland mentioned he doesn't have soul, also Holloway always hit David hurt button

[@jr_fishing9287]

I cant believe this movie came out 8 years ago

[@EpictasticJoshuaYT]

I know. It's a really good movie

[@HOTD108_]

I can.

[@RandolphTheWhite1]

I also can't believe this movie came out 8 years ago. I've accomplished virtually nothing, except my amazing ability to not be young.

[@sweetdannyandlisa6537]

@@RandolphTheWhite1 Damn I felt that

[@seangallagher9529]

I can't either. I first saw it in 2014 at age 17 when I did a deep dive into the Alien franchise. Surprisingly, upon viewing I believed Resurrection was the best Alien movie and was my favorite out of them all. I began rewatching it last night on HBO Max. I'll tell ya, opinions certainly change!

[@USERNAMEfieldempty]

Nobody, repeat, NOBODY who is capable of getting a job on a trillion-dollar space mission would take their helmet off 20 minutes after landing on a new planet with new lifeforms.

[@MinimalObzerver]

+USERNAMEfieldempty I agree, and a biologist wouldn't come into contact with an unknown alien lifeform before studying it thoroughly, I mean, it is the biggest exploratory cientific mission ever, where did Weyland hire those idiots?!

[@simonwatts8338]

You realise there is something well wrong with the mission when the geologist and Xenobiologist are a punk biker sociopath and Captain sarcastic. They could not have had a bigger arrow saying "They die first." Badly written, lazy direction.

[@valken666]

The original script is great. I wish I had read the script before watching the movie.

[@TheMcKenzieHaus]

Thank you. I agree. The incompetence of the character I keep seeing in the film franchise gets on my nerves.

[@iamjavademon]

Write and produce ur own movie lets see how well u will do.

[@ramboluib2752]

Just saw Alien Covenant. Then proceed to watch this. Made me appreciate Prometheus even more.

[@KRYPTIC05]

Why? I don’t understand (I know this is old) but I enjoyed that movie 🤷‍♂️

[@polynikes5631]

I thought the med pod was for the dying CEO. And that's why it wasn't calibrated for Vickers or women.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Yep.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

It was.. it was for the old man....derp

[@CaptainSpalding72]

Exactly right.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

@JeanClaude Clemenceau no it shouldn't have. You need to pay attention.

[@CaptainSpalding72]

@JeanClaude Clemenceau too late...

[@thant0s]

Always figured Vickers was a woman who *wanted* to perform like an android, so she could have the affection from her father figure that he reserves for his constructs.

[@vh-ali_n-teen]

The allusion of Vickers being an Android is due to her looks alike with Terminator 3 woman robot

[@Madferit91]

@@vh-ali_n-teen Vickers was absolutely irrelevant to the overall story. If she wasn't in the movie, it wouldn't affect it in any way. Doesn't matter if she's an android or not.

[@timramm1]

She proberbly needed Counselling

[@Gadget-Walkmen]

@@Madferit91 but she was cool tho

[@BarryHart-xo1oy]

That’s a very interesting idea.

[@mizzbelle97]

This movie was so gorgeous it really got to me

[@erichvonmolder9310]

Besides that, it wasn't good.

[@Thedudeabides803]

Golden Gainz name one of these holes? I think the lacking is in that of the viewer.

[@rhabdob3895]

Thedudeabides803 : No. absolutely not. This was a well photographed bedpan of a movie.

[@stixmanrules7791]

Thedudeabides803 nicely done sir 😂. That’s actually really funny.

[@tylergable2445]

Thedudeabides803 i agree with you. No1 is into the psychology behind the Artificial human and it possessing curiosity. Not too many plot-holes

[@thehat2243]

The first time I saw this I thought it was okay. The second time I watched it I concluded that I liked it. Now after several viewings it's one of my favorites

[@МаксимЩербань-т6ы]

Should have mentioned the infamous Prometheus school of running away from things

[@schwarzerritter5724]

Максим Щербань That is how people run away in real life.

[@Knalltüte6969]

Schwarzer Ritter he meant one-dimensional thinking. the ship was rolling at them and the fastest way to get out of it's path was by going left or right, but they tried to outrun it which was obviously stupid.

[@МаксимЩербань-т6ы]

Nick m Yep, that's exactly what I meant ;)

[@jimbobeire]

Максим Щербань so, if you were running, and something was rolling behind you, and there was burning debris falling and exploding to the left and right... you would automatically run left or right, even though the thing rolling behind you (and sheltering you from debris) is slowing down? Did you forget that shortly after it squashed Vickers it came to a stop? So, if she hadn't tripped, she would have outrun it and survived.

[@Knalltüte6969]

jimbobeire are you actually gonna defend something that most critics consider the biggest flaw of the movie, and something that's been a meme since the movie came out, because you at first didn't understand what it meant, and then use the most far-fetched argument you could've made? i think the risk of tripping and being crushed by the ship, or the ship outspeeding you, far outweighs the risk of a piece of debris, of which there werent that many to begin with, randomly falling exactly onto you... and it was going down-hill so how exactly was it slowing down? the ship stopped only because it hit a rock, something they could've never foreseen when they started running, because they weren't in sight of the rock. but hey, that's what we have natural selection for eh.

[@PennyORadical]

The reason the medical pod is tuned for a male, is because it is for Weiland, not Vickers.

[@JDHJDH1]

To address your point about unanswered questions, the key difference between Alien and Prometheus is what each film is. Alien is a thriller. Questions about the origins of the space jockey, facehuggers, and xenomorphs don't particularly matter because the movie is about a giant murderous alien stalking the crew of the Nostromo. Prometheus, on the other hand, makes it clear from the beginning that it's all about those big questions. Who are the engineers, why did they create us, why were they going to kill us? Those questions are the very reason why the voyage took place. For the film to not only not provide any answers to any of these questions, but to also introduce a living Engineer and make him nothing more than a big angry murder machine, wasn't a very good call.

[@helekin2000]

To be honest I liked the fact I knew as much as the movie's characters did. Made me connect more with them, instead of having an all knowing spot from which I just expected them to discover the truth. Maybe the weak point of the film is that the protagonist did not insist on finding the answers despite her love for science and the whole lore of creation? Not sure. Got to watch it again. On the other hand, I think most of us would just prioritize surviving such life threatening situations instead of sticking around for the truth. Self preservation is a b**tch

[@mr_red13]

That’s the biggest gripe I had. I loved most of the movie but I thought we would get more info out of the engineer.

[@jrapp1468]

Nailed it.

[@richhenry7540]

I loved Prometheus. I didnt expect it to be about Aliens. I was really interested about learning of the possible creators of the Aliens.

[@FrightF]

Yes! Alien Covenant was the disappointing one. It was so unsatisfactory.

[@tylergable2445]

Fright F0000 no way it’s toe-to-toe with this one i’d say

[@KZ-no4rk]

Me too

[@RyanJMills-lf3et]

Rich Henry Same

[@Jaythesparrow]

Prometheus was an extremely stupid and awful movie. Almost as bad as Alien: Covenant. Ridley Scott needs to step away from this franchise.

[@sulphurman]

I love how you called him "the guy who looks like Tom Hardy" hahaha

[@alfonsoflorio]

I confused him with tom hardy several times before...

[@jhammer7441]

That guy looks like Tom Hardy ? Guess we all look the same.

[@GreatJobTy]

Golden Gainz be more insecure dude, def not doing it enough already

[@mc_shulker]

He meant the Fifield (Sean Harris)

[@pitchingwedge7546]

I really wish we got to see Ridley Scott's original vision for the sequel (paradise). Covenant just felt like a reaction to tons of people saying "we want xenomorphs!"

[@THE.N1KO]

As how things are, with Disney's plans to make a TV series by Noah Hawley and a movie by Fede Álvarez... I'm pretty sure there won't be a third part directed by Scott. They are starting their own thing with the property... And to be honest, it's kinda sad. The world needs directors with their own ideas and Ridley Scott is one of them. He is 84 years old and soon he'll no longer be among us. Ideas like Prometheus are obviously too risky for Disney comfort zone-y way of approaching to movies... So. That's it, I guess. I'll watch Prometheus from time to time as the -in my opinion- brilliant companion to Alien until I fucking die. And I'll remember how bold Mr. Scott was. And also the producers who supported his vision.

[@trev.7598]

David is one of the most fascinating sci-fi characters ever imo

[@jellyfishrage33]

After giving it some thought, I've decided that no matter whether Vickers was a human or an android, Weyland was a terrible dad.

[@saqlainhussain007]

I don't know why this video showed up on my KZbin recommendations page, was just curious and watched the whole video. After watching this video I watched all the alien movies and Chris's reviews. Honestly best way to spend your quarantine. Keep up the good work.

[@leroilapue15]

hehe that's awesome...did you love Aliens as much as I do??

[@keybladesrus]

The first time I watched Prometheus, I seem to remember not liking it very much. It wasn't what I expected. Just yesterday, I re-watched Alien, Aliens, and Prometheus, and to my surprise, I found Prometheus the most interesting to me. After looking up explanations for the things I didn't notice or understand, my opinion of it has risen tremendously. Can't wait to see Covenant!

[@johnrankin7135]

Check out the assembly cut of 3 it's good

[@alejandrovillalba3143]

@Benny TheJet You might not like it and it's ok, but do you have to insult those who do like it?

[@sandragill9916]

I had to watch a couple of times

[@THE.N1KO]

What do you think about Prometheus and Covenant now?

[@GenjiPrime]

Why does this pop up in my recommendation list randomly, especially when the video is 7 years old is beyond me 😂

[@titusorelius9458]

Same. Just popped up in mine. I aint even mad.

[@PsychSimpleton]

Lol same

[@goatbacon2977]

Still better then watching the movie

[@kimjiro4591]

same, 2 month after yours

[@eddieheavy8380]

Credit in reemergence to the great conservative purge of 2019. It must have worked because not one Nazi has tried to radicalize me since then.

[@joeprado3614]

7:44 Can we just talk about how Davids thumbprint literally has the Weyland-Yutani logo on it!? Damn.

[@HOTD108_]

Well, David is a robot made by Weyland-Yutani. They branded him, the same way Apple brand the phones they make.

[@TheCbrown146]

This is the review not that we deserved, but the one we needed.

[@tnargtnarud]

You brought up such a great point towards the end. People are so willing to immediately judge and condemn the script when in fact, the original Alien was leaving viewers just as confused and curious towards everything that viewed. We have too many scholar wannabes twiddling their keyboards to explain how intelligent they are to criticizing movies that don't force feed you every single plot detail. Part of discovering sci fi plots is looking for them yourselves. I do think Prometheus in time will be regarded highly. People need to stop playing God themselves and realize just because you didn't like it, doesn't mean others have to agree.

[@genesisbustamante-durian]

+tnargtnarud keyboard warriors everywhere

[@antamchannel6290]

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[@cttc4132]

+tnargtnarud The huge difference between Alien and Prometheus is that Alien is not a pretentious movie. It is a simple sci-fi monster horror movie. IF Prometheus simply tried to be the same thing (since it is also a prequel) then fine. BUT Prometheus tries to be a philosophical movie about the origins of the human race and life etc... This is why Prometheus fails where Alien succeeds. If Ridley wanted to make a philosophical movie, he should have simply made that AND not tried to make a prequel to Alien. On the other hand, if he simply wanted to make an sci-fi monster horror movie prequel to Alien, then avoid all the pseudo-religious-philosophical crap.

[@tnargtnarud]

Ct Tc However Ridley wanted to make a prequel, so of course prequels are usually the foundations to the stories after it. So, in a way, the film had already shot itself in the foot. If this was a simple prequel, I'm sure people would be complaining just as much.

[@cttc4132]

tnargtnarud It's possible that "people would be complaining just as much". I wouldn't. As is often the case, prequels screw up because they say what the movie maker wants them to say and not what the original actually said. What I mean is that the movie making process is quite complex and when there is no one, single powerful entity involved there are a lot of compromises which contribute to the end result. When Alien was made Ridley Scott was not a God. Alien was not the result of his singular vision. Now, he wants to make a prequel and say what he really wanted to say in the first movie. Well, he's changed and the process has changed since he is now a movie making God. So the prequel does not jive with the original. Maybe he would have screwed up Alien if he made it now.

[@erideb3864]

I was mixed about it before, and after watching this so many times, i finally took interest in it. The idea of the creation of life and how the xenomorphs came to be what they are and how the space jockies as they were called before, now called the engineers, with a lot of depth and physiological character behind them

[@josephhoffman2992]

I use to hate Prometheus... Now it's one of my favorite films ever made; along with Alien and Blade Runner! Ridley Scott is the shit!!!

[@mrshumancar]

"Oh and, you suck at acting." XD

[@therealone086]

Johanna Anuar I can't make baby's, SEXX

[@mrshumancar]

IKR

[@Boomken76]

lol ya,

[@daniellasullivan6398]

I hope he meant to Tom Hardy lookalike. Michael Fassbender is a very talented and moving actor in my opinion.

[@daniellasullivan6398]

I hope he meant to Tom Hardy lookalike. Michael Fassbender is a very talented and moving actor in my opinion.

[@VultureXV]

Here's my take. Who said the original Engineer that made humanity received his kind's blessing for doing so? What if the creation of humans was never supposed to happen for fear of some form of psionic prophecy? We see the "Alien" image on the walls in one scene. The Engineers knew what this concept was and what was going on. Also, strangely as it sounds, what if the Black Ooze is the same within the cup from the beginning of the movie?

[@DARTHSTR1FE]

Thats an interesting point. when you think about it, if a human gets exposed to the black goo, horrible mutations occur creating a killer organism. same with the worms. If an engineer ingests the goo, this leads to the catalyst for all life on Earth. could this mean that they consider life on earth to be a horrible mutation that needs cleansing?

[@OMrkithO]

Woah! that's a very interesting way of thinking!

[@johnny05100]

These conversations are what make this movie so amazing. Can't wait for alien covenant

[@holamoco]

I always thought, and quite obvious, that the cup which the first Engineer drank was the Black Ooze.

[@DMDvideo10]

Except there is a deleted scene that shows several of the Engineers dropping off the one that ultimately sacrificing himself for the creation of life. Also, think about what we're saying. The Engineer drinks the goop and turns himself into millions of chains of DNA. Based on the evolutionary theory 4 billion years need to pass for single cell life organisms to evolve into today's human race. As smart as those aliens were there is no way they could predict the eventual evolution of humans.

[@adrianlopez3373]

I still think this movie was trying to be smarter than it actually was, but I respect what you had to say and it does make sense.

[@Haik0]

Love this style of reviews. Would listen this as podcast for hours .

[@RadeonX0X]

Thank you for this analysis. I feel exactly as you do regarding this piece. And I'm glad the mixed reviews didn't deter Ridley from expanding on it.

[@smittymanjensen4000]

This was an excellent analysis, i also enjoyed prometheus very much. that c-section scene had my jaw on the floor

[@laguy8181]

I personally loved this film the first time I saw it. I don't want everything explained to me or it takes away from the magic of film. Sometimes things are better left open to interpretation.

[@BlckJohnnyQuest]

Thank you

[@GaryWalshDublin]

It's beautiful to watch. I did feel that many questionable decisionss are made by all the characters which annoyed me

[@DelightLovesMovies]

The more I watch Prometheus the more I love it. Everything always looks so great and fresh when I re watch it. I think Viccars was a replicant. Which is not the same thing as a cyborg. That would easily explain her strength and something about her manner reminds me lot of Rachel from Blade Runner. I think Prometheus follows in the footsteps of 2001 and Blade Runner as far as its ambiguity is concerned. I really liked your vid. Thanks for sharing Mr Stuckman.

[@Necris986]

Please bring back these types of reviews/analysis.

[@skullgarden2417]

I remember seeing Prometheus in theaters and watching this video when it first came out 🤯

[@bigtravis6159]

“When it first came out” Gigitti

[@AP-Design]

Music from the classic days of ‘00s Toonami? Another reason why I like this guy.

[@viatoretvenus]

I simply love that this movie and review is more than 8 years old and people are still passionately discussing it and what might have been.

[@hotcoldman77]

Only happens with deep thought provoking movies

[@MrTARDIS]

"Is Vickers an android?" Is she is or isn't....who cares? Regardless of whether or not she's human it adds nothing to the story and none of the events change :S

[@Nimbus3690]

it might for a sequel

[@TKedOut]

Ivin3690 you're right, it would help for a sequel... if she wasn't dead already.

[@Nimbus3690]

TKedOut if she was an android, there's a possibility she might have survived, or if not, is still salvageable for reconstruction

[@gibbsdamam]

I don't think she's an android. Not really.

[@asendimchev1996]

She adds a lot thematically. She represents the negative traits of humans (fear, jealousy, coldness). It sounds dry when I put it that way, but prometheus is a sci fi about mankind and not just spaceships flying around. The biggest problem is that people compare it too much to Alien, and as an Alien film, Prometheus would've been shit(there aren't as many likable characters,horror or xenomorphs and those were the things most people liked about alien, not the space jockey sci-fi aspect of it).

[@xxthehuskycaboosexx]

How could it be the very first facehugger, when there already were murals of xenomorphs on lv223?

[@martinmartin5562]

xxthehuskycaboosexx That is what i want to know.

[@Geo-wc7jc]

Asking the real questions here

[@Kurasai56]

It’s theorized that the mural is actually of the deacon creature that is shown in this movie when the chest burster comes out of the engineer, whether that is true, who knows, but it would stand to reason that the engineers probably knew what would happen should they get infected by the black goo themselves , so they might of made that mural as a sort of warning to be utterly cautious around the weaponized black goo that was stored on the ship.

[@starwarsroo2448]

Because they Xenomorph were the engineers gods from old that they were trying to resurrect

[@ivanespinoza4506]

Holloway was already infected with the black goo when he got shaw pregnant. Then thats where the face hugger was born.

[@CMontgomeryBurns09]

I enjoyed the film, but I think comparing its ability to "raise questions" to Alien is a tad lofty. Alien did a good job subtly hinting at foreboding but extraneous events throughout its story without dwelling on them too much. Much of Alien's now famous lore was not central to the story. It was primarily a slasher movie, with an interesting diegesis. Conversely, Prometheus' entire plot has to do with the origins of humanity, how and why humans were created, and under what circumstances. About 1/2 way through, it switches gears and becomes a sort of monster thriller, seemingly forgetting about the importance of the previous questions it's characters spent considerable time asking.

[@johnr7279]

Totally agree on how this will be viewed differently in the future. To me, the BEST thing in this movie is the continual sense of mystery and tension. It makes you pay attention even more and look for any clue at all. It's okay that we just don't get ALL the answers. A little mystery is a good thing. The sense of this in this movie somewhat reminds me of what I feel when I watch 2001 which I'd guess served as an inspiration in some ways.

[@jimbobeire]

If you watch it again, pay attention to a few things that never seem to register in Shaw's mind. Note the dates of all the cave paintings she shows in the briefing, and compare that with her idea that these things planned to wipe us all out 2000 years ago. Then note that there is an airtight tunnel leading from the cargo bay of the ship to the chamber of urns in the Dome. The air is perfectly breathable for humans. Now note that the Engineer wasn't wearing a helmet when he crossed the surface of that moon to get from his crashed ship to reach the Lifeboat and confront Shaw. Then ask yourself. Was Shaw correct in her conclusions, or should we, the viewers see her as an unreliable narrator?

[@dyllanrodriguez2828]

I’m watching all the alien movies (the good ones) and its kinda crazy how everyone’s bigger issues with this movie kinda feel like they shouldn’t have been issues. The obvious ones 100% but to me a lot of the dumb character stuff kinda matches the overall arrogant themes that all parties had in the movie only to be heavily punished throughout the movie. I love the questions that are raised in the movie and I love that we kinda still don’t have any answers. Gonna watch covenant now actually to see how I feel bout it after all these years

[@kozmnavt5158]

I'm sure you already learned this by now but the trilobite and the deacon aren't the first ever Facehugger and Xenomorphs. In the room with the giant statue head there are multiple murals showing the alien egg with a xenomorphs holding it as well as the deacon mural in the crucifix pose shows engineers being facehugged on it. Also there's no way these creatures could be the first. Only 30 or so years have passed in between Prometheus and Alien that they couldn't evolve within that very short amount of time.

[@jime6688]

One thing I assumed was that Vickers is Weylands daughter. The similarity in look between her and David and the way Weyland treats them led me to believe Weyland wishes he had a son instead of a daughter, thus he constructed David.

[@skrrskrr6464]

I liked Prometheus, the lore behind the movie is very interesting, especially the reasons why the engineers suddenly became hostile to their creations. At the same time, I am deeply disappointed at Covenant and the way it treated Shaw. I wish I could see more of her... I wish they didn’t cut the dialogue between the Engineer and the humans, I also liked the scene where “God” almost touched his creation “Adam”. If they had greeted him with more respect and not outright demonstrate their violence towards Shaw, maybe the Engineer would’ve entertained them further... so many missed opportunities :(

[@dyllanrodriguez2828]

I agree about Shaw, I feel like that was a really poor decision and she could have legit been this new wave of Alien movie’s “Ridley”. Our main character in these movies, trying to stop David if need be or actually exploring the universe/galaxy looking for her answers that she was obsessed with. She had plenty of growth and plenty of directions to have.

[@Eckaaa22cr]

I LOVED this movie and it left me wanting more, not everything had to be answered using your imagination or doing a bit of research after watching is not a bad thing. To me it’s brilliant.

[@spineshivers]

I'm ashamed to say that when this came out I haven't even seen the Alien franchise. Seen it after and I absolutely loved every bit of it. Even so, I loved Prometheus when it came out not knowing that it was related. Never could understand the hate. It still is one of my favourite Sci Fis of the last few years.

[@iRushil]

We, Alien fans, hated it because Prometheus just rehashed Alien ideas. Which made it boring and totally predictable. The only point I felt tension was when the woman was performing surgery on herself. Otherwise, I always knew how every scene was going to end... Not seeing any Alien movie is the reason you loved Prometheus; because it was all new to you.

[@Farquad14]

Speak for yourself. As an alien fan since i was like 6 years old, I loved Prometheus. Thought it was a great film.

[@iRushil]

michael sterling You didn't find almost every scene predictable and thus devoid of any tension? And didn't those scientists' (who should be the world's best since they were selected to visit an exo-planet) stupidity when seeing an alien creature that looks like a cobra piss you off?

[@swanky_yuropean7514]

The biggest problem for me was that they send the dumbest scientist they could find on a trillion dollar mission. Just a few examples. They all take of their helmets after they found out the air is breathable, apparently not knowing that their could be deadly microbes in the air as well. The guy responsible for creating a map gets lost. The Biologist wants to cuddle with something that resembles a cobra and hisses at him. They are just so unlikable overall. That's just lazy writing tbh. They could have had the same effect with dialogs like: "Red shirt science officer number 1, please investigate that alien snake thing... Oh my god he got eaten, who would have guest that that dangerous looking creature is actually dangerous."

[@iRushil]

Nolynox Spot on. I feel that I face palmed every 10 minutes when I saw it at the London premiere. The prisoners in Alien 3 were way smarter than those characters in Prometheus.

[@calebrobinson6406]

I enjoyed watching Prometheus the first time I watched it, and I think it is a brilliant movie. Here is what I understand about the movie: it's called Prometheus, but what is the allegory of fire in the movie? Well from Weyland, we can expect the "fire" to be the key to being immortal. I also think the engineers were trying to become immortal as well. (Noomi's line: who made them?) the black goo was not intended to be a weapon. It was supposed to be an elixir of life. But in a twist of fate, instead of being a key to life, it is actual the key to death. (The opening scene of the engineer falling into the waterfall is actually a failed experiment, he wasn't supposed to die.). It is important to remember that the engineers are looking to be immortal, that is why they created humans, trying to rearrange their own DNA to make a more perfect version of themselves, but they failed.

[@calebrobinson6406]

Weyland saw the crew as expendable for him to be immortal. (Vicker's line: "that makes you employees" could have also added, "which makes you expendable." So the fire is immortality. The allegory of Prometheus instead of just being the name of the ship also refers to David. He plays with the goo, something that he doesn't understand and ends up destroying the mission. He had no idea it was poison, he was trying to see if it was the elixir to give to Weyland. The capsules in the room are the engineer equivalent to samples in test tubes. Which is why they kept them, but kept them sealed. We do the same with dangerous viruses on earth.

[@jimbobeire]

+Caleb Robinson I think Ridley Scott set a lot of traps in this movie to throw people off the scent. A lot of things can be interpreted in the simplest most obvious references, and using familiar myths, rather than looking for more subtle clues. There is another more recent, but also famous story that contains the name Prometheus, and it is hinted at visually in the movie, and throws an entirely different light on the events.

[@dargis49]

+Caleb Robinson Why was the UFO leaving as he was drinking the "elixer"?

[@fuckyou7037]

Hey Caleb. I think you got something wrong about Prometheus. The Engineer in the beginning is not killed by a failed self experiment. Nor is the black goo the elexir of life. The Engineers are like very high advanced beings, almost like gods. Genetically perfect or almost perfect. They all look the same, they are so highly evolved and probably have overcome the hate, hunger, unequiallity and other things that plague lesser evolved social beings, like humans. They represent the TITANS in the premetheus mith.The engineer in the beginning looks like a monk almost. He is performing a ritual. It's plausible to assume, that, since the engineers are so highly advanced, their conciousness is too. Their feelings as well. They no longer aim for "wordly" motiviations like competing in the survival of the fittest nature of the humans, reproduction, power, eating and shit. They aim for higher goals. SO... the Engineer in the beginning is SACRIFICING himself by drinking the black goo, to disintegrate himself and bring the very first pieces of biology or dna to this world (probably the earth). It is a scientific fact, that even today scientists don't know how biology started on earth. How did chemistry (atoms, elements) transformed to biology (dna, biological cells, bacteria, live) etc. SO... the first scene in Promtheus is an fictional explenation of how DNA or BIOLOGY made it's way on earth. You also asked about what the allegory to the FIRE is in Prometheus. It is the BLACK GOO. The black goo is something either the Engineers made or got ahold of by optaining it (maybe from an even higher form of BEINGS. Those might resemble the GIANT HEAD they seems to worship). Just image how powerful or goldlike such an entity or form of entitis must be if the Engineers worship it. But that's just speculation. FACT is the black goo is a very highly potent substance that messes with biology in a big way. It seems to be some sorf of DNA/evolution enhancer. Thats why the worm grows into a huge alien worm. Thats why when humans eat it they uncontrolably mutate and become kind of zombies. ITs a dangerous substance the engineers themselves tread with the utmost care. Probably the most powerful they have. Black goo can create, preserve life or kill it. It is a allegory to the FIRE in Prometheus, which in turn is an allegory to KNOWLEGE/SCIENCE for humans. Knowledge,Science can too be used to create, presever or to kill and therefore always poses a threat to humanity (for example atomic bombs, biological super weapons, DNA manipulation like cloning and shit). I hope what I wrote made sense to you. English is not my first language, haha.

[@MegaChickpeas]

I am glad I saw this! Upon my first viewing of Prometheus (during a stressful time in my life) I thought it was boring as f*ck. Then I saw it again at a time when I had time to think about it and I loved it. Glad to see somebody sharing my view.

[@cruella4341]

I appreciate how you didn’t go over the biggest scene in the movie where Vickers gets crushed because she didn’t run out of the way. That is the main nit pick of the movie and I’m glad you decided to go over some more hidden details than ranting on about the death, like so many critics do.

[@shizuwolf]

I actually liked the movie...until it turned into Alien. Idk I feel like there was more potential to it than just an add on for the Alien franchise.

[@wax2743]

So basically: The engineers created humans, humans created androids, and an android put a parasite created by the engineers in a human, which turns into a monster that kills an engineer and creates the xenomorphs.

[@justarandomtechpriest1578]

not xenomorph its a deacon

[@AdrianColley]

Space Alabama

[@dann5480]

David did not create the xenomorph. He only did experiments on them which resulted in the neomorph.

[@cliftonsargent1572]

When I saw the alien come out at the end I was blown away and really loved this movie... every one disagrees with me and hates it but I was shocked and loved it, your video on under the skin was really good so after watching this I gotta say you got your self a sub. I look forward to your other videos

[@kv9574]

You sound a lot like me when I watched this movie, so I might as well give you a movie suggestion. "The Empty Man" is a seriously underrated film, like Prometheus imo, and it was also reviewed on this channel. The only downside is it's 6 dollars or over to rent pretty much everywhere.

[@cliftonsargent1572]

@@kv9574 ok sounds good!

[@farazsayal3886]

12:58 "They're not stupid enough to make weapons of mass destruction on their own door step...it got out..it turned on'em....if you can't love the woman you're with love the woman you're with.....wee da de da dee da deee..."

[@LizardsLore]

I have a theory about David actually being very much in love with Shaw with not fully understanding what that means

[@limo4935]

Personally don't see the point of hating on this movie. I personally love having unanswered questions as it lets my imagination run wild. Good job Chris

[@hypnotoad8166]

No no no no. Building a reflection after seeing a movie is one thing (a good example is Blade Runner: we don't know at the end if Rick Deckard, the hero, is an human or a replicant), but don't understand the movie because there is a lack of information or some contradictions is an other thing. Prometheus is not necessarely a bad movie, but there is too many mistakes for saying it's a good movie. It could of been a great movie, but hey, it's not. (Sorry for my bad english)

[@limo4935]

Oh yeah it isn't perfect by any means but I'm talking about the people who just call it one of the worst movies ever made. It's normally because people seem to compare it to Alien. Also I thought your English was pretty good didn't even realise until you said at the end :D

[@hypnotoad8166]

Michael Andrews I think one of the reason why people hate so much this movie is the scene when Noomi Rapace and Charlize Theron try to avoid the ship and they run in the exact direction where it wheels. The blond one is crushed and the heroin is miraculously spared. That's a hell of an irrealistic scene. (Thanks :D)

[@limo4935]

Yeah I mean it has it's fair share of idiotic character's (hell the only good ones are Noomi Rapace, Michael Fassbender, Idris Elba and the other two pilot dudes). Charlize Theron was really wasted in this movie to be honest.

[@hypnotoad8166]

Michael Andrews Yep, wasted is the word. And I kinda like Fassbender (despite his unwritable name), but in this movie he just a flat version of the robot played by Jude Law in A.I.

[@filiusreticulum2926]

I loved the Prometheus movie! It was the best of the Alien franchise. I love the engineers. There is so much they can tell us in Alien:The covenant. Can't wait for 2017 we get Alien and Star Wars in one year!

[@francescomalagoli2467]

and then...

[@BigDaddy-gl7bl]

Thank you for the video Chris. I watched this movie in theater and enjoyed it, but so much of it left me confused. Listening to you explain some things and admit that we weren't supposed to understand everything helps. Good day sir and keep them coming.

[@sweetbabyboo5]

I love this movie! Definitely a classic in my eyes

[@Jamestng315]

1. I think Prometheus pretty much explained that xenomorphs are created by a complex evolution between 3 different cross species. I assume there was probably a civil war happening from the flashback sequence (or read my 2nd opinion below). The engineers made life on earth but it took too much hell of a time for human to get to where we are now. They decided to create bio-weapons like the parasitic life forms. (its just like how Weyland Corps. wanted Xenomorphs to serve under human). The Moon System in Alien 1 was a experimental colony and that engineer also have his chest busted open, let just say it was a queen, laid eggs on the site and bounced. The distress signal is presumably set up by the engineer. In a way it sacrificed itself to further continue the experiment in which it requires human genetic coding to create the perfect xenomorphs. The original one seen in Prometheus is no where near perfection i.e the tails and 2nd jaw are missing lethal characteristics. I think one of the biggest question left unanswered is that we don't exactly know how the xeno eggs are made. anyways these are my theories about this creative sci-fi film hats off to Ridley Scott. 2. i.m.o Predators could rape everyone asses in this movie. considering that they kill aliens for fun, training, and collecting trophies. I mean just watch Predators 2's ending. On the trophie cabinet wall, there is probably a Engineer's skull hung along with other alien fossils from Starship Trooper or some shit LOL. Their technology is much more advanced than anything. A interesting perspective of mine suggest that the Engineers are actually A. running away from the Predators galactic tribe, B. Perfecting evolution in bio-weapons a.k.a xenomorphs. The funniest shit would be that, the Engineers actually succeeded. A cross breed Predalien, which fucked up the entire crew and predator warship. (I assume the King fled away from a escape pod, he ain't stupid.) Sorry if this is hella long but i am smoking up while i am penning this down.

[@wabachi]

well, interesting things but it could be one more way, what if is a similar story as in starcraft (dont know if ur familiar with) the old ones (depicted as the engineers here) made both races, just like in starcraft one technologically evolved and one biological evolved, also a predalien was made in avp 2(?) when the facehugger hugged a predator

[@bagboy365]

Chris I’ve been watching your reviews for years - great to stumble on this early take on one of my favorites

[@luckyplvys]

they will never make me hate this film

[@hotcoldman77]

Best in the franchise for me along with the original 💯

[@kakadaf3]

I think the engeneers create life on diferent planets, then harvest the best lifeform to mash and twist in to a weapon. Then destroy the planet.

[@robertkruger411]

I looove this movie. It's cinematography is amazing and I love the complexity of the story, dialogs, and it's deeper meaning.

[@thescottishgeektwitch7125]

9 years later I still love this film and watch any KZbin video about it 👍 great video. Id love to see a round up video following the Alien and prequel films from you. Keep up the good work

[@seangallagher9529]

Great job Chris at doing impressions of David and Shaw, I laughed when you did Shaw.

[@Aaroncoop9162]

A serious that loves asking questions instead of answering them.. I love it.

[@zemimsky]

Congratulations! You actually genuinely convinced me to watch the movie!

[@gorgioarmanioso151]

Chris really good review ..several years later still the best review !!!

[@williammatthews693]

You're right about how this movie was always made to have a sequel, maybe even a trilogy, but what disturbs me is how Alien Covenant doesn't really answer any of the excellent questions posed by this film. We don't really get to learn more about the engineers and their motives, nor do we get a hint as to who made them. These questions don't NEED to be answered but I would really love to see a follow-through with that story line as opposed to finding out how the derelict came to be on the planet in the original Alien. It's also much more interesting to me than to see another Michael Fassbender one man show. Don't get me wrong... I love him, but Scott posed some great philosophical and theological questions in this film that he now doesn't seem too concerned to be answering.

[@williammatthews693]

@Benny TheJet Actually for a mainstream movie it touches upon some interesting philosophical and even theological ideas on mankind's creation and creation in general, but since you can neither hold a civil nor intelligent discussion without hurling insults like the pres-schoolers you mentioned I don't feel the need to discuss this with you further. Good day sir or madam.

[@Dyldayas24]

The best thing about this movie was the engineers aesthetic body

[@jamesgville]

It's a little known fact that what the engineer says when he wakes is "bro, do you even lift"

[@NextWorldVR]

David says to the Alien: "This is my employer. He has come here in the hopes that you will have the ability to extend his life." It's in the Bluray...

[@Devils_in_Stripes]

Please, PLEASE do a video like this for Covenant! Your analysis is sooo good and you explain it so well. Love you Chris!

[@WulfLovelace]

I know I am a little late to this conversation. But the surgical machine was not for Vikors, she said it was, but it was for Weyland.

[@merc9nine]

yeah. ita astonishing how people dont get it. That was w Weylands quarters. She was just using ot

[@Kurbbs]

+Jene Clyde "little" XD nahhhh right on time :D

[@user-rr3uu6ez7t]

Brandon 😁

[@markusbrownicus01]

"The only reason humans created AI is because they could." But that's not why AI is and these theoretical androids are created. There are practical applications for thinking machines and androids. Just as in Blade Runner, androids are used for all sorts of tasks from mining to soldiers. So to say that "we" developed AI and androids simply because we could is a cop-out. It's a way to explain why the engineers created humans (and all life on earth) without explaining it. And the medical pod was calibrated for males only because it was intended for Weyland, not Vickers. This was foreshadowing that Weyland was aboard the ship.

[@joncampbell5021]

I think that's just something, that guy said in passing. It almost makes you feel less sorry for him when you know hes getting infected. Not that it was a vengeful act.

[@12389h]

Although AI serves a purpose, we don't really need it. So if humans can survive without AI, then did we not make them, "because we could"?

[@markusbrownicus01]

***** We don't really need cell phones or computers. So if humans can survive without them, did we not make them "because we could"?

[@12389h]

Chairman Meow Exactly. I use cell phones and computers, because I can. But if somebody took them away from me tomorrow, I wouldn't have a problem surviving.

[@markusbrownicus01]

***** There's a difference between creating something simply "because we can" and creating it because it serves a purpose. Sure AI, computers and cell phones are not necessary to survival, but they weren't superfluously created out of arrogance. Even though certain tech is not essential to life, it is still developed for a reason, even if that reason isn't survival.

[@hypermecha223]

Bravo, Chris Stuckmann!

[@1c9n8k8]

your commentary is hilarious. my husband and i went to see alien covenant last night because of your review of it. keep up the good work.

[@LjubisaP]

I've just seen the film, and I have no memory of any Alien movies, and boy did I enjoy the hell out of this one. It has unanswered questions, sure, but it did answer alot and make me look forward to the sequel.

[@MsAnthropicGeek]

Look at the end and you'll see the reference then. The movie is definitely point blank, and I'm seen it maybe 6 times so

[@LjubisaP]

MsAnthropicGeek I did see it, my comment above was all but praise for the filmxD

[@MsAnthropicGeek]

It's referenced when the alien puts it's proboscis down the engineers throat, and legs an egg in his thorax. Then it burst out of his chest just like in Alien, and then it burst through his chest just like in Alien. Also the blood is acidic too. See it now? :-) I knew right away I have all of these movies and saw them 10's of times, LOL.

[@LjubisaP]

MsAnthropicGeek I know, that's the end credits scene, I've seen it. I think that it's like Chris said, an Alien in the early stages of development.

[@MsAnthropicGeek]

Ljubisa Petrovic That's exaxtly it. I tought you said you didn't see it, LOL. Sorry. I ended up watching it last night just because we were talking about ti :-) I loved it as much as I did when i saw it in the theater. I've seen it waaaaay too many times!

[@DomZ_2046]

Having revisited the movie only yesterday I totally agree with you on many points: I love the fact that the film asks so many questions, but only hints at possible answers, that it doesn't explain every plot point until every idiot gets it, but rather asks you to reflect on characters' motivations for yourself. As you show very well, most of the "grand" plot points people complain about do make sense if you think about them, pick up clues the movie gives and think a little for yourself. However, what almost ruins the film for me is the multitude of small, but glaringly obvious stupidities in the script. I can take one or two, but there are just too many here. Especially since most of them could have been easily avoided or "repaired" by going over the script once again and in some cases just changing a piece of dialogue. Why are there so many clearly inexperienced people making bad choices on a trillion dollar mission? Just change it to a lesser amount and let it seem more like the personal mission of an obsessed old rich man who is willing to even cling to flimsy evidence if it vaguely promises to extend his life. It's in there, but why not include one more scene with a young Weyland already worrying about dying of old age and planning a crazy mission to find the origin of mankind while all of his business peers laugh at his obsession? This would make the entire set up of the crew more believable. If done as a memory flashback viewed by Daniel it would also fit in nicely with him watching Elizabeth's childhood - a single flashback scene which now seems oddly out of place. There's more: the geologist mapping the entire structure with high tech gadgets who nonetheless gets lost? Just change the character, there are more than enough unused crew members who could get stranded in his place! Elizabeth performing surgery on herself, cutting her abdominal muscles, stapling them back together, but running and fighting like hell a few moments later? Just show the damn machine being able to heal the muscles instead of stapling them, this is a sci-fi movie after all! There are so, so many more of these small, but extremely off-putting idiocies in the film that they almost ruin the film. Even worse, they make the intentionally unanswered, grand questions also seem like plot holes, even if they aren't. I just find it so frustrating to see this, especially when fixing most of these problems should literally have been a matter of minutes...

[@serraphazel]

What a great review! I, too, am a HUGE Prometheus fan. This review's strong ending was delightful. I think I can take a crack at answering some questions raised in this review. 1. Why a male-only med pod? It was for Weyland. Vickers played the commanding officer, but the most important member of the crew was, without a doubt, Weyland. 2. The Holocaust Painting. They said that the bodies had exploded chests. I think this insinuates outbreak. The captain thought the same. The decapitated engineer racing to the sanctuary implies that maybe it was a safe room. This also would mean that Shaw's facehugger was not the first. The engineer's xenomorph was not the first as well. We can tell that it wasn't the first xenomorph from the crucified xenomorph mural in the vase room. It was an intended result of their tinkerings. 3. Now this one is just opinion, but I thought it would be awesome if Earth was only selected because of David's tampering of the flight navigation system. The engineer could then deduce where the threat came from (humans), and was going to head there to wipe them out. 4. Captain Janek knows it's a military installation due to his experience explained in a deleted scene. 5. You can also find out what David said to the engineer in a deleted scene. However, taking the mystery out of this one was a bummer for me. I liked not knowing much more. 6. Like you said, we don't need to know why. Could we even know why? These engineers are alien, and therefore have alien desires, alien emotions, and alien motivations. How could we even begin understanding their motives with our primitive meat brains?

[@horridCAM]

Damn Chris, just wanna say, your videoshave gotten SOOOOOO much better. Nothing is wrong with these older ones, but man, your quality has increased ALOT.

[@donkeybitchass5440]

watching this because of covenant

[@RichChanLikesTacos]

I would like a promethus 2 movie not a alien covenant movie

[@SavNout01]

That would possibly be Aliens (Prometheus II)

[@GordonHeaney]

The more I see this film, the more I like it and start to notice things I hadn't seen first time round

[@anime_cyko]

Man Chris. You’ve come a long way. Great review regardless.

[@freedomgaming9987]

Vickers could be a Replicant... Blade Runner exist in the Universe.

[@donda2111]

Wait what?! Blade Runner is in the same universe as Alien?! Thats nuts! :D

[@freedomgaming9987]

Indeed, I'm a big fan of the Alien Universe

[@reggielovato9525]

+Tara Sophia How is Blade Runner in the same universe as Alien?

[@freedomgaming9987]

Reggie Lovato Because Ridley Scott said so... Also google Peter Weyland letter to Dr. Tyrell.

[@reggielovato9525]

Tara Sophia That's pretty interesting.

[@coymangus]

I so agree with what you said at the last of the video. It's one of my favorite films and very intense.

[@Jamb13]

The 'facehugger' and alien in this film aren't the first of their kind, early on in the movie there's a picture of an alien and a facehugger on the wall inside the base, meaning they must have already existed, I think the huge tentacle things completely unrelated to the facehuggers we know, and the alien at the end was just shoehorned in there because people wanted to see it

[@Whydoweneedhandlesagain]

Facts

[@ruyc.t.8601]

+Jeam It could be a vision of what the final product would be. Before a queen to be created, there could be a drawing of her.

[@Jamb13]

+Ruy C. T. Idk I find it kind of hard to believe they'd know exactly what the aliens were going to look like before they even existed

[@Cheshire83]

+Jeam My first thought was that Engineers was on earth way earlier then our expedition (thats why our main characters found these marks and signs on the cave walls). They created humans as a breed for xenomorfs... thats why they knew how they look before our so called first xenmorf was seen by the end of a movie (the pictures inside the engineer's ship). They used these aliens as a weapon for they'r own good and needs. Thats why that ship was targeted to earth, to create another batch of xenomorf warriors. Pile of dead bodys might be, a contamination issue with the black goo so they kiled almost every one on the ship and piled them up (might be something with the agression after direct contact with the goo). Im not sure but i think there was a scene that the 2 lost technicians sad that dead bodys had theyr chests riped off... or i might be wrong.

[@ruyc.t.8601]

+Cheshire83 I agre with your good theory.

[@sgcog7]

Dude, awesome explanation. I'm on the same page as you in terms of how deep this movie is and not comparing it to any of the alien movies.

[@zakizak9670]

"she's not the droid you're looking for" waves the hand

[@paulchristopher6193]

I hated this film when I first saw it, after seeing it a few more times I now love it,

[@alexsc7187]

I hate the complaint about the Zenomorph looking different and that its not explained.The zenomorph looks different because the alien looks different depending on the host it breeds on. For example the alien in Alien, Aliens and Resurrection looks different to the one in Alien 3 because in Alien 3 the first host was a dog. This changed the Alien as it ran on all fours. S the alien in Prometheus looks different because it's host was an Engineer.

[@bigtravis1968]

Alien 3 had some of the cheesyest effects EVER

[@alexsc7187]

Wayne Rhodes yeah i will admit that the effects were pretty bad. The film was very disappointing really.

[@WildFungus]

Alex Sc honest to god I heard how bad it was so long I just never watched it, and then when I did I was surprised that Alien3 was my favourite.

[@alexsc7187]

WildFungus Your Favourite? Really? I mean really? I get it it's your opinion but really? Better than 1 and 2 and even resurrection? The ending was good and i liked the setting but the whole film was people running through doors for half the film to trap the alien, it was so boring... in my opinion. It's not an awful film it was just average and disappointing to me and a lot of people anyway. Oh well.....

[@HarryNinetyFour]

Same can be said for the first Alien in AvP Requiem, host was a Predator so Alien looked kinda like a predator.

[@davids736]

Chris - really interesting, thanks for that. You make a great point at about 18', regarding all of the questions asked in Alien and how in this internet age we seem to have lost that trait of a movie asking us the questions. Good stuff, thanks again mate ☺

[@justhellbound4206]

I actually really enjoyed this movie. I never understood why it was so hated

[@kanhaibhatt913]

Just watch Critical Drinkers review and you'll see why

[@ghosthunter7496]

@@kanhaibhatt913 Isn't that the same guy who only complains about the inclusion of different races or genders in movies?

[@kanhaibhatt913]

@@ghosthunter7496 No

[@conoro774]

@@kanhaibhatt913 yes he is. If you watch that loser, find someone to love

[@deonnelson9780]

@@ghosthunter7496 yep

[@drlaing699]

Actually there is a reason why humans created A.I, it was to make our lives easier, so we could do things we were too lazy to do

[@ballybally1]

can you please do one of these for Covenant!

[@junaidjaved9701]

those were the days my friends when chris use to analyze the shit out of movies and i loved every second of it i hope he does these type of videos again plus the background music is dope !

[@sulphuric_glue4468]

My theory is that the engineers had prepared a strategy for their creation if it ever got too powerful. When Humans discovered how to get into space, develop cryo-sleep technology to allow for extremely long distance travel, they would be destroyed. The Engineers made sure that Humans would contact them by planting those images of the dude pointing to the stars, and once Humans did actually reach them on LV-whateverthefuck, the Engineers would kill the Humans that were there and then send the black goo to Earth in order to let the xenomorph wipe out the species. The Engineers would then restart the whole process and make another intelligent species on Earth, killing it once it grew too powerful. However, some idiot let the goo loose on LV-somethingorother, wiping out all but one of the Engineers in the facility, which ultimately allowed Shaw to stop the genocide of all life on Earth.

[@zaidshaker371]

Really interesting

[@zombirai]

Why would they great humans just to destroy them and why do you think they would do that all over again, makes no sense.

[@sulphuric_glue4468]

zombirai Like the film says... because they could.

[@rdjrolly1196]

wrong...engineers plan to destroy humanity way back 2000years so no advanced technology that humanity possess in that time.

[@Shovi_]

I'm sorry but that's a stupid theory, the engineers would destroy used AFTER we learned how to travel into the universe? By that point we could be inhabiting several other planets, and many other ships would be in route to planets not yet colonized, so by then it would be too hard to kill us all. And what would be the point of creating a species only to kill it when it got too smart, and then make another species and do it again?

[@Garasky]

I loved this film until Alien Covenant came out... kinda ruined the whole setup for me

[@mrmnrkt]

"The purpose of a storyteller is not to tell you how to think, but to give you questions to think upon.” Brandon Sanderson - The Way of Kings

[@avanishdutta2658]

But the purpose of storyteller too is to provide answers for questions given. You know, every payoff for a setup should matter.

[@henrycosmo8414]

A very astute dissection Chris, especially the last few minutes. I really enjoyed your work on this.

[@josefloresz]

After watching and researching this movie 17 times I conclude David is a android. You are welcome.