Quran Corrections - Special Interview with Dr. Dan Brubaker

Al Fadi and Dr. Jay Smith interview Dr. Dan Brubaker on the impact of his work on the Qur'anic Corrections in this special episode.
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[@ritzritz4531]

God bless you all. Greetings from the Pakistan 🇵🇰

[@ADayWithoutYesterday]

Both Jay and Al Fadi are great interviewers and really direct the conversation to the key points we need to hear about. Well done guys.

[@RM-fs8ub]

Unable to see yesterday's livestream.....with Shamoun. Was it blocked or did it air?

[@aak1601]

Not well done. You know better than I, that you know nothing about Quranic manuscripts. But in good will and hopes, I type the rest. The topkapi manuscript is available online. It’s dated from the 90years after the prophet. It has 99% of the Quranic text. (Compared to NT which has its first manuscript 150 years after Jesus and that too a credit card size portion from John chapter 18). So back to the Quran, 99% of the Quranic text is in the topkapi. It is 99% matching with the 1920 Cairo print aka the print we have in use today. Jay smith says that dr Altikulec has pointed out 2700 plus differences between the print we have today and the topkapi, which is True, but when you read the report of dr Altikulec you see that these 2700 plus different is the addition of the letter “alif ” which only denotes an orthographic (alphabetic) representation, however the word is read the same. The 1% difference accounts in the Qiraat reading. More over, the Sana’a manuscript that Dan is working on is just one manuscript which has 20% of Quranic text. There are many others either older or contemporary to the Sana’a like BNF Arabe 328a which has 27% of the Quranic text and is 99.9% in line with our prints today with orthographic stylistic difference but the words are read the same. Example that word “with” was spelt as “wyth” in 1526 William Tyndales english Bible. This is not a error , this is the spelling convention of the time, same thing with the Quranic differences when I say orthography. In conclusion, we have many manuscripts either older or in contemporary to the Sana’a , so one off manuscript due to poor scribal quality cannot be used to determine or make these biased agenda driven conclusions, while you ignore all the others intact available Quranic manuscript. For checking the Quranic manuscripts on line , go to this non Muslims German research project works and do the verification for your self corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/1/vers/4 Or watch this video refuting all the lies and non sense out there, and this video has links in the description box to self verify the claims the video makes , just in case Christians start screaming “taqiyya” kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaHGlqGmo7KJjKc

[@majeedm689]

@@aak1601 90 years is more than enough time to make changes. Unless you can provide a manuscript from Muhammeds time all Qurans made after can be declared unoriginal. The fact that it compiled after he died and a complete copy only appears 100 after his death, is evidence enough that it was an after thought and the Arabs subsequently got to work to produce one.

[@aak1601]

Majeed M edited twice. let me first show you why your conclusion will not add up. 1) 90 years from the Prophets time is when The companions (Sahaba) who lived during the prophets time are still around. None of them are gonna change what was revealed due to knowing the implication of what that means (presuming we take the fact that the Quran was a book reveled during the prophets lifetime) 2) The Muslim world is in its might with the first 4 caliphs and the ummayads having governed it, leave no room for External corruption due to the position the Quran holds amongst the Muslims. 3) we have records from history mentioning the master copy of uthman being around until the 14th century CE. The above is just to show you that your theory is one that is formulated regarding a book from a time we have no access to. While for Islam and Quran, We have ample access to the Muslim world history from and after the time of the prophet and detailed recordings of the verses of the Quran and it’s chains have been logged in. (I can reference these books in the next post if you wish) The theory that Muslims came up with a Quran after the prophets time suggests that the prophet was never a prophet and a later community back projected such a narrative and concocted a book. History is against you in this regard. More over the Arabs never were people of writing in the extent they became so after the prophet, so to suggest a drastic change in the arab Muslim world is a big leap which required a lot of explanation. Of course I cannot detail down the whole history here, please read M M Aazmis works in this area. See below for more. None the less, if you don’t believe in history and you like to see tangible evidence: WE HAVE MANUSCRIPTS CARBON DATED TO WITHIN the life time of the Quran compilation under Uthman. These manuscript have pages and chapters but not the whole eg Arabe 328 and many more as shown above/ in Corpus Coranicum website. More over I only chose the Topkapi since it has nearly 100% of the text aka the full Quran. If you Don’t believe me, just Go to the German website I have linked above in the previous post and look for your self. Please study this field if you wish to make a criticism, whereas if you were only challenging it for sake of a reply, I am happy to respond. I suggest reading M M Aazmi HISTORY OF THE QURANIC TEXT. It’s available online as a pdf. If you need a link, I ll post it here in the next comment. Knowledge is key to truth, hope you pursue the first for the second.

[@abdulhadimersal4782]

the only thing that they did right is letting Dr.Brubaker show us how fool he is. Watch this and you will know what I am talking about. kzbin.info/www/bejne/g3nQYn94d8ebfsk

[@stardust6769]

I'm so love this. Been waiting for it for a long time

[@abi8428]

I've ordered my copy of the book.

[@ReasonedAnswers]

Sometimes it is hard to get through to Muslims with truth, but its REALLY hard to deny pictorial evidence of corruption. I have a strong feeling the "perfect preservation" myth will disappear within a generation and with it millions will be leaving Islam. Thank you Dan Brubaker for your important work in this area and thank you CIRA for doing this interview.

[@tigers14]

the moment teh vatican sets up a church in saudi, it will be the start of islams collapse ironically from within its birthplace.

[@ReasonedAnswers]

@Saeed P For those actually serious about salvation, I suggest starting by actually reading the Bible, something this clown obviously never did.

[@ReasonedAnswers]

@Saeed P How about you pick the "best" one and we'll start from there. let's see if you are serious about evidence or just want to believe anything some Muslim claims.

[@tigers14]

@@AnDailyTalk its happening. :)

[@ReasonedAnswers]

@Saeed P The Word (Jesus) has no beginning. The incarnation of the Word has a beginning. This is very similar to comparing the eternal Quran to a printed Quran. Next.

[@ADayWithoutYesterday]

This is an extremely important interview. I'm glad Dan Brubaker hasn't shied away from discussing the implications of his work.

[@pamuk7]

Br.Farid Response to Brubaker kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5e0Y5WhhJ2sbaM Response to Dr. Tayyar callingchristians.com/2014/11/26/release-a-critical-analysis-of-jay-smiths-mistakes-about-the-quran/ Response to Dan Brubaker callingchristians.com/2019/06/08/corrections-in-early-qur%ca%bean-manuscripts-twenty-examples-dan-brubaker/ Missionary Mishap, on Brubaker callingchristians.com/2019/06/09/missionary-mishap-brubakers-error/ Also: Evidence Christian apologists themselves like JaySmith an David Wood admitting to the Bible being changed kzbin.info/www/bejne/hXSql4yFbtCrjck

[@thewordrevealsgod.7744]

When is the arabic and spanisch version of this book coming out.

[@John-qo6fs]

I did purchase this book.

[@quirinehoogenboom9792]

When is the Dutch version of this book coming out, Dan?

[@steviedfromtheflyovercount4739]

Excellent video. Can you do an update? Or is it too soon?

[@rolandburchett]

I so much wish to have this book and 12 dollars was affordable but with the Tax and the shipping to India it is coming upto 30 dollars.....If there was a kindle version of this it would be very good...Jjust hope in the future that they will have a Kindle version...

[@kamarudinhj.dolmoin8578]

Islam and al-Qur'an are not afraid... because they are the truth! The truth is slowly but steadily prevailing.. What about the Bible and the trinity-christianity?

[@oneloveonehope1425]

God bless you Alfadi

[@John-qo6fs]

Very impatiently will wait for the full edition of this book.

[@telltruthfollowtruth6404]

For peace and love among mankind simple way is: bann islam globally and also so called 'preserved quran' for ever. Exmuslim.

[@gulshanaalani3261]

Ban Islam means ban Christianity, Bible and the Torah too. Sickening stories of the Bible too should be banned.

[@telltruthfollowtruth6404]

@@gulshanaalani3261 Why? They both too with jihadi @ London bridge to kill innocence youngs merciless??

[@RN1441]

This is a dangerous area to tread banning religions. Too often we've seen people in power decide that a piece of information is 'wrong' or 'dangerous' and ban it rather than allow it to be discussed and debated. How many times over the course of the current pandemic have we seen the alleged professionals have to correct themselves like when the WHO said there was no evidence of human to human transmission, that it wasn't a pandemic, and that restricting travel wasn't necessary. You tube itself might still be censoring videos that diverge from the official WHO guidelines despite them being just as likely to be wrong as anyone else on the matter and getting three very important things wrong in a month at the critical beginning. Censoring religion is the same stupid game as allowing religions to censor public discussion, whether that religion is a recognized one or the informal church of the state agency. It's far better to allow sunlight and open discussion to prevail as it eventually scrubs away falsehoods such as 'this virus isn't contagious' or 'this book has never changed', and a million others.

[@notomo2603]

Can ban all you want... YAHWEH has already given us His whole Word. Jesus will judge the whole world in righteousness. Islam is not a religion. Political psychopathy imho.

[@bellinikeat1074]

Hi can anyone tell me what is that book title is?

[@104littleal6]

“Corrections in Early Qur’an Manuscripts”

[@uzmacontractinggroupinc]

I was a Muslim and after watching this video I am still a Muslim 😊

[@sidprice6214]

great comment. it made me laugh.

[@uzmacontractinggroupinc]

if you dont pray and follo path of Islam and teachings of Quran. That laugh wont last long :) may Allah bless all and each and every one who is MUSLIM on planet earth@@sidprice6214

[@bmw635csi]

Great Interview Al Fadi , Dr Jay and amazing research and discovery by Dr Dan .

[@sandyssonstuhr7174]

Is it possible to determine when the corrections and erasure to the text were made?

[@sidprice6214]

Maybe you should first determine why these changes were made before trying to ascertain when they were made. Dr Brubaker deliberately used emotive words like "corrections" to stir up the readers knowing full well that his 20 or so physical changes were in fact just scribal mistakes. This is clearly demonstrated by Dr Altikulac in his book...hence Dr Brubaker's absence and no response.

[@sirplatov8462]

Hi I just bought the book from Dr. Brubaker, like he said it is on sale on Amazon, but with the shipping fee it is not exactly cheap, and I will receive it 17 of January, today it is 19.12.19 so in a month if all goes well. I think if you live in England or the US. It may be cheaper and faster. But by it anyway, this is really interesting news, I can’t wait to get my hands on it.

[@aaabrams1889]

Platove While you're at it, buying books, go buy the latest Version of the King James range of bible, the Queen James Bible for Gay with it's brightly colored cross on the cover. t is also on sale online www.amazon.com/Queen-James-Bible-God/dp/0615724531

[@steviedfromtheflyovercount4739]

Question ---are there any primary sources that have been lost, not commonly known?

[@mannyfabin9551]

Devastatingly good...and I mean devastating. Getting the book. Look forward to more interviews with Dan Brubaker.

[@cometosuccesscometosuccess2030]

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[@Alchemist523]

Lol this is your ohd dan brubaker kzbin.info/www/bejne/gKjQlXhoo9-AoJY

[@MuhammadAbdillah111]

Al-Quran 6 - 115 And the word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice. None can alter His words, and He is the Hearing, the Knowing

[@sunmeng8245]

I observed the difference call of writer and ministers. We need Holy Spirit in order to be heard. Let God bless our writer more..

[@tool1gt]

I may have missed it but if not, would also like to see summary of those changes which changes the meaning in the Quran.

[@tool1gt]

@Lilya Sh Lol😁✌

[@gjoninikollaj2217]

Well if "no" becomes "yes" I think is a big change 🤣🤣

[@rlund3]

I feel like this is an extremely important book.

[@jude3891]

It is. The qur'an is all Muslims have. It is Mohammed's only"miracle". The hadith are the only information on Muhammad and those are accepted or rejected solely on the whim of the Muslim reading them.

[@DerMelodist]

For anyone doing outreach to Muslims, it is an absolute bombshell that can undermine any of Islam’s claims concerning the Quran’s reliability.

[@commentfreely5443]

Petra has some cool rock carvings. Don't know why muslims prefer shitty new mecca over the real mecca. the new mecca is way out of the way of anything from the ancient world.

[@commentfreely5443]

breaking news: islamic scientist discovers fire breaking news: fire declared haram.

[@aak1601]

For all Christians who got excited ! Watch this! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5e0Y5WhhJ2sbaM

[@phillip0537]

All three of you are doing really important work and are really brave. May God bless and protect you all.

[@sidprice6214]

Pathetic.

[@alkisfragoulidis7441]

a greate book..!!

[@George-iv1hi]

So much for perfectly preserved quran. Islam is collapsing. Good work.

[@BobJones-dq9mx]

Do you think that Dr. B needs a body guard?

[@Reginamogapi9520]

Don't worry dear God will protect and bless him

[@sidprice6214]

From who ? Himself?

[@gedat5538]

The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness can never extinguish it. John.1:5

[@sidprice6214]

Who wrote this ? Apparently John never did.

[@marambahamayang107]

GBU , for Indonesia

[@prasadrao335]

Sir plz translation all your videos in Indian languages Hindi and other

[@hannahr77]

Al Fadi I love your outfit

[@Muhammad-pz1bp]

I have the same outfit lol

[@a.person_]

Off topic but Al Fadi dresses so nicely.

[@markhamze154]

Please show us the evidence!

[@peacock69mcp]

And......let there be light! ❤

[@Lepri11]

Islam will go down in epic fashion just like the Titanic! This is because we're in an age of enlightenment due to the earth's protective magnetosphere lessening and allowing more cosmic rays (light/information) to enter thus the "awakening" of man. It's beautiful to see us challenging every false narrative that our controllers have given us. Great work guys. Keep going and much love & light to you all.❤️❤️❤️

[@imishelica]

Islam..... you can compare with the rising sun...as its the fastest growing religion in the world...titanic sank the way your misconceptions will sink

[@Lepri11]

@Qui Creva Sp 💣💣💣💣💣💣💣 Flawless‼️I couldn't have said it any better 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@aloysiusfrancis4934]

@@imishelica Yes it is the fastest growing religion in Bangladesh, Pakistan and India as they are littering like rats and when this sex cult is collapsing all over the world fools in the subcontinent still follows this filth. BTW your argument is an ad populam logical fallacy!

[@Lepri11]

@Javabeserk Kiasu Are you on drugs b??? Clearly you've not watched any of the videos series on this channel nor David Wood, Apostate Prophet nor Christian Prince.... Dude Islam is as fake as a $3 dollar bill 🤦🏽‍♂️🤦🏽‍♂️I pray for you man...

[@aaabrams1889]

@@Lepri11 Are you that gullible to believe those Islamophobes? They are all liars and deceivers. HERE ARE THEIR TESTIMONIES AND THEY ARE EXPOSED. David wood: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGbIdJaImpKEn68 Jay smith: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fn2zd4mwf92CnpY CP the invisible pagan donkey: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kKXalHiYitCasLs Apostate profit: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYa9g6KsfM6ojK8

[@siddiquekatiya8696]

According to the prophetic saying the Qur'an was revealed in seven ahruf (dialects) which may allude to the seven Arab tribes namely Quraysh, Hudhayl, Thaqîf, Hawâzin, Kinânah, Tamîm and Yemen which made the recitation and memorization much easier for them. For example, the word 'alayhim (on them) was read by some 'alayhumoo and the word siraat (path, bridge) was read as ziraat and mu'min 0(believer) as moomin and so on.

[@rlund3]

Also you need to get a JOIN button lie D.W.

[@rlund3]

@Philip Gibbs A couple of days ago D.W. said that it does not show up for (insert joke here) some because they need to upgrade/update their search engine.

[@rlund3]

@Philip Gibbs Also, when it is there it is next to the subscribe button.

[@nadeemrehman5365]

A an academic review and refutation of Dan's conclusions: @t

[@stingray4980]

The changes are "contextual"!! 😅 😂 🤣

[@ravindramorey5433]

Even if you can't carbon date the ink,it is still possible to analyse the ink which can give idea of approximate age of ink and what kind of pen or instrument was used.i think you should allow the expert to examine the original manuscript.only problem is that manuscript in Muslim countries should allow that.but you can always try.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith the LETTERS OF PAUL are just MERE TAFSEER of the Old Testament and “other scriptures” (?). Tafseer means interpretation. If the letters of Paul are just mere tafseer, why is it they become the main core of the New Testament which comprised 90 percent of it. These should be written in a separate book. In the Islamic standard, no single tafseer is included in the Holy Qur’an. Hence, the letters of Paul must be written in a separate book. Jay Smith failed not elaborate as to what specific book or verse/s in the Old Testament that each letter is intended to for being a tafseer. He should have elaborated on the following letters of Paul: LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT CHURCHES: 1). Romans - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Hebrews - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Corinthians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). Galatians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). Colossians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Philippians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Ephesians - tafseer of what is it intended for? 8). Thessalonians - tafseer of what is it intended for? LETTERS OF PAUL TO THE DIFFERENT INDIVIDUALS: 1). Timothy - tafseer of what is it intended for? 2). Titus - tafseer of what is it intended for? 3). Philemon - tafseer of what is it intended for? 4). James - tafseer of what is it intended for? 5). John - tafseer of what is it intended for? 6). Jude - tafseer of what is it intended for? 7). Peter - tafseer of what is it intended for? -05-17-23

[@omniarabbit]

At 26:48, he says ad duri, and AZ zaini, who's AZ zaini? Did he just make that up?

[@dassretreat8547]

It seems Muslims will have to defend Quran restlessly, but the Bible can be restored with abounding manuscripts if destroyed.

[@samvensesh5438]

It is all about preservation of Truth

[@ayy9536]

Also Dan bruebaker says that not all of the mistakes are not scribal errors but has not proven otherwise.

[@davidsumithra3365]

Jesus (Messiah) is supreme and alive today and is coming back to judge the World. All Christian believers will be Kings and Priests in His Kingdom. All unbelievers are welcome to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour and enjoy royal life in the Kingdom of Jesus.

[@imishelica]

Exactly brother you are right Jesus (peace be upon him) is alive he never died as in surat nisa 157-158 Allah said that Allah raised him alive...and he will come back to defeat the anti Christ and bring peace in the world

[@jamesmc04]

How many of the scribal variants/scribal errors/editorial variants materially affect the sense of the Koranic text ? Evangelical apologetics tends to minimise the effect of these on the Biblical text - so it seems only fair to allow the same argument to be equally valid for the Koran. If it not valid for the Koran - maybe it is not valid for the Bible.

[@goodnight8169]

The difference is that islam claimed there are no changes even a single dot in quran, as it is the word of god directly through the prophet. In other hand christian never claimed that way, but its a book inspired by god written by human hands, and textual variants is a copy of a copy of a copy.... So error in copying process is possible, but we still can compare it with thousands other biblical manuscript

[@efab6712]

@@goodnight8169 Got there before me. Yep a big problem for Muslims who claim the Koran is handed down from Allah, unchanged and existed in all eternity. Serious textual criticism for the bible for centuries...as Christians we take it and say ok....slight digging into the Koran...Muslims start to lose the plot.

[@tool1gt]

@@goodnight8169 the essence, or the message in the Bible remains consistent, which is the coming of the Messiah and his rulership in God's kingdom.

[@akaijones1237]

@@goodnight8169 if there are any dots in the quran then its been altered, the diacritics didnt come until at least a century or more after the supposed uthmani quran

[@aaabrams1889]

@@akaijones1237 WOW - ANOTHER IDIOT!

[@jacketjackson3788]

How much was he paid?

[@jacketjackson3788]

@Swoosh Swish He is Israel agent

[@Chandransingham]

This is a very useful interview with the lead man himself. Dr Dan Brubaker is humble and cautious despite cross-examination by Dr Jay Smith and Al Fadi. It's early days. Until the entire Quranic manuscripts are properly examined, hold fire. It may be the Quran may take the route of the Bible books (66 Protestant or 73 Catholic) . This route should be easier as the Quran is only one book. Let's see what the original Quran really may have said if the Haq or Cairo text was a 'contrived or semi-contrived 'or deliberately standardised book. We will not know this for some years to come until the research by Dr Dan Brubaker is complete. The fact that were are more Qurans than just one Quran (Hatun Tash's research - 26 Qurans?) may suggest we have in the end like the 4 Gospels have x number of Qurans to form an 'Islamic Bible' ie a collated books of various 'Qurans' and traditions. Only time will reveal the full story of the real Quran. Already Dan Gibson is telling us about Petra and its civilisations and original Kaba. Mecca and Medina are later developments and the Quran is in two parts as Dr Jay Smith seem to suggest - 'Meccan Revelations' and 'Medinian Revelations' dedicated within the Haq or Cairo book of Quran. Al Fadi's research and PhD should also tell us more of the native Arabic Quran.

[@goodmuslim8243]

Dan Brubaker Refuted: Video link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHWUXpimh9WlfMU PDF link : (300 page refutation at academia.edu) www.academia.edu/44414539/The_Insignificance_of_Corrections_in_Early_Qur%C4%81n_Manuscripts_a_response_to_Daniel_Alan_Brubaker or alternate link for PDF: callingchristians.com/2020/11/02/the-insignificance-of-corrections-in-early-quran-manuscripts-a-response-to-daniel-alan-brubaker/

[@DEUS_VULT_CROATIA]

@@goodmuslim8243 you falling for that nonsense refutation.? just taquia at its finest

[@brendantannam499]

@@DEUS_VULT_CROATIA That's easy to say. Can you back it up?

[@brendantannam499]

@@goodmuslim8243 The other viewpoint is always necessary. Even Solomon of old was noted for listening to both sides of the issue.

[@JehudaEwert]

Minute35 "we are blowing your trumpet...you know what the term "rusty trumpet" stays for, don't you?

[@jamalkhan3708]

Great video, much love and respect for all three of you. God bless 😇❤️

[@defenderoftruth3212]

How I earnestly wish that there is now an original ARAMAIC GOSPEL because I am dying inside to read it. I hope there is a translation in English. It's hard to read it in its original form in Aramaic. I don't know that language. I think Aramaic is much harder to read than Arabic. I believe that this Gospel is a book of spiritual guidance from God. Unlike the 4 make-believe gospels, their contents are purely biographies of Prophet jESUs (pbuh) but with a huge hole in the accounts of his life covering the primetime of his age. From what museum or library can we find the original ARAMAIC GOSPEL? Is there any original manuscript for it? I am urging Jay Smith and his cohorts to produce that book as soon as possible so that Muslims and Christians alike will be enlightened. -05-14-23

[@siddiquekatiya8696]

Oral tradition/ verbatim, which is the principal source of Allah message, more than millions copies (memorizers) available today - It would you interesting to for Al Fadi to demonstrate that the message/meaning of Allah has been changed

[@sajjoexam8083]

Shalom Br Al Fadi, Dr, Jay Smith God Bless us, Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

[@aaabrams1889]

Their labor is lies and deception...MUST I SHOW YOU?

[@markpeter1968]

People are saying islam is finished because of this information. No way will islam go down easily or without a fight. there are lots of reasons, for example, Christians are not very united as one as we should be and secondly, there is a spiritual element to islam. Im sure there are heaps more reasons.

[@gladysodiawa9307]

But with prayer to God Almighty nothing impossible.

[@fragrancedeparadis1275]

Thank You JESUS for these men. May God protect you all and use you for His glory alone.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

According to Jay Smith is that he believed that there is really ONE ORIGINAL GOSPEL. Since he cannot find it, he assumed that the gospel of John is already that book. But his is only mere assumption. He failed to make any clear evidence to show that his assumption is correct. Hence, he has to show manuscripts in Aramaic as evidence for his assumption that the gospel of John is the already real Gospel of Pophet jESUs (pbuh). By his hasty assumption, he undoubtedly discarded the gospels of Mark, Matthew and Luke into useless books which have no more meaning to the whole Christendom, and hence not fit to be used as the basis of the religiosity of the Christians. -05-15-23

[@victorrodrigues5448]

The corruption is corrupted... :D

[@putragabriel2716]

🤣🤣🤣 double corupted

[@aaabrams1889]

Victor Are you talking about your bible? (Jeremiah 8:8)

[@victorrodrigues5448]

@@aaabrams1889, of course I'm talking about the Bible! And its corruptions, the worst of which is/are the quran(s). What else could I be talking about?

[@aaabrams1889]

@@victorrodrigues5448 So show me the WORST OF CORRUPTIONS in the Quran.

[@victorrodrigues5448]

@@aaabrams1889, show you??? Can you even see? Watch this, 10 times, if needed: kzbin.info/www/bejne/a6vSmGauhNeLetU

[@rockzalt]

It seems the Hafs text may turn out to be the Koranic version of the KJV only movement.

[@aak1601]

For all Christians who got excited ! Watch this! kzbin.info/www/bejne/j5e0Y5WhhJ2sbaM

[@TesseRact7228]

@@aak1601 Give that one-string guitar of yours a break mate.

[@khamissaleh921]

Just before going around Quran see the bible and see how many corrections were dine and still many Corrections are still ongoing!? The PROPAGANDA VIDEO WE HAVE ONE QURAN AND WE BELIEVE ON IT

[@aak1601]

Tesse Ract You know better than I, that you know nothing about Quranic manuscripts. But in good will and hopes, I type the rest. The topkapi manuscript is available online. It’s dated from the 90years after the prophet. It has 99% of the Quranic text. (Compared to NT which has its first manuscript 150 years after Jesus and that too a credit card size portion from John chapter 18). So back to the Quran, 99% of the Quranic text is in the topkapi. It is 99% matching with the 1920 Cairo print aka the print we have in use today. Jay smith says that dr Altikulec has pointed out 2700 plus differences between the print we have today and the topkapi, which is True, but when you read the report of dr Altikulec you see that these 2700 plus different is the addition of the letter “alif ” which only denotes an orthographic (alphabetic) representation, however the word is read the same. The 1% difference accounts in the Qiraat reading. More over, the Sana’a manuscript that Dan is working on is just one manuscript which has 20% of Quranic text. There are many others either older or contemporary to the Sana’a like BNF Arabe 328a which has 27% of the Quranic text and is 99.9% in line with our prints today with orthographic stylistic difference but the words are read the same. Example that word “with” was spelt as “wyth” in 1526 William Tyndales english Bible. This is not a error , this is the spelling convention of the time, same thing with the Quranic differences when I say orthography. In conclusion, we have many manuscripts either older or in contemporary to the Sana’a , so one off manuscript due to poor scribal quality cannot be used to determine or make these biased agenda driven conclusions, while you ignore all the others intact available Quranic manuscript. For checking the Quranic manuscripts on line , go to this non Muslims German research project works and do the verification for your self corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/1/vers/4 Or watch this video refuting all the lies and non sense out there, and this video has links in the description box to self verify the claims the video makes , just in case Christians start screaming “taqiyya” kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaHGlqGmo7KJjKc

[@aak1601]

Robbie Stones You know better than I, that you know nothing about Quranic manuscripts. But in good will and hopes, I type the rest. The topkapi manuscript is available online. It’s dated from the 90years after the prophet. It has 99% of the Quranic text. (Compared to NT which has its first manuscript 150 years after Jesus and that too a credit card size portion from John chapter 18). So back to the Quran, 99% of the Quranic text is in the topkapi. It is 99% matching with the 1920 Cairo print aka the print we have in use today. Jay smith says that dr Altikulec has pointed out 2700 plus differences between the print we have today and the topkapi, which is True, but when you read the report of dr Altikulec you see that these 2700 plus different is the addition of the letter “alif ” which only denotes an orthographic (alphabetic) representation, however the word is read the same. The 1% difference accounts in the Qiraat reading. More over, the Sana’a manuscript that Dan is working on is just one manuscript which has 20% of Quranic text. There are many others either older or contemporary to the Sana’a like BNF Arabe 328a which has 27% of the Quranic text and is 99.9% in line with our prints today with orthographic stylistic difference but the words are read the same. Example that word “with” was spelt as “wyth” in 1526 William Tyndales english Bible. This is not a error , this is the spelling convention of the time, same thing with the Quranic differences when I say orthography. In conclusion, we have many manuscripts either older or in contemporary to the Sana’a , so one off manuscript due to poor scribal quality cannot be used to determine or make these biased agenda driven conclusions, while you ignore all the others intact available Quranic manuscript. For checking the Quranic manuscripts on line , go to this non Muslims German research project works and do the verification for your self corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/1/vers/4 Or watch this video refuting all the lies and non sense out there, and this video has links in the description box to self verify the claims the video makes , just in case Christians start screaming “taqiyya” kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaHGlqGmo7KJjKc

[@mahmoodnoor4528]

Dr. BRUBAKER, has done his doctorate, but forget to mentioned in his book That in early Muslim period, one Quran writer has several student are writing Quran and as master he hS to go through with work of his students and correct their mistakes In writing Quran. In Quran there is a verse from Allah that " All words are from Allah and he is the one who will protect these words." His work is based on cancelling the fact of writing Quran and distribution of it to different part of the world.

[@royprb1573]

Dr, Brubaker fully understand the answer of all question, but he answered it tooo ... careful cos he doesn't want to be labeled as Islamophobic and also as Dr. Brubaker said in his speak at Westminister, he doesn't want to provocative the audience. Unfortunately if this interview held in the end of 2020 or 2021, Al Fadi and Jay should ask which quran of 36 qurans as Jay said, has this corrections.

[@khaderlander2429]

Conclusion: having read what different scholars have said about this issue, we could conclude that all scholars agree that the Qur’an was revealed in seven ahruf, and all of them agree that the seven were to facilitate the recitation and explanation, however they differ in the definition of seven and their meaning. Some scholars mention evidence to support their views, but other scholars do not. As we saw, some evidence are authentic and some evidence are weak. Now we can say that: any view, regardless its supporters, which has authentic and sound evidence is accepted on condition that the facilitation of recitation is available. According to this assumption, the view of al-Tabari, al-Ţahāwi, ibn 'Abd al-Barr and others, in which the seven ahruf denote seven ways of recitation (lahajāt), is reasonable more than the other. The view of ibn Qutaybah, al-Baqillani, Makki ibn Tālib, al-Rāzi is not wrong but the process of facilitation is not imaginable as it is in the view of at-Tabari. However ibn ‘Abd al-Barr ascribed this view to most scholars.It was temporary permission at the beginning of the different tries’ conversion to Islam. Most people were illiterate. Later on they became literate or many literate persons converted to Islam, the permission was abrogated, and all Muslims had to recite in according to the harf of Quraysh

[@user-hf8zv7qw4l]

Conclusion, quran is never preserved well.

[@khaderlander2429]

@@user-hf8zv7qw4l conclusion you are blowing hot smoke, what you just said has no substance and has no grounding on proof.

[@Asef_Afiffuddin]

@@user-hf8zv7qw4l learn more about Quran !!! If you dont know, just shut up !!!

[@Asef_Afiffuddin]

They only know very little aspect about Quran

[@khaderlander2429]

The Seven Ahruf 
By Safi al-Shehada ‏MA In Islamic Studies Introduction: It is well known that there are seven variant ahruf in which the Qur'an was revealed. All Muslim scholars maintain this issue except some of Shi‘ah. Shi‘ah scholars reject all the hadiths which say that the Qur’an was revealed in seven ahruf, they say: these hadiths were not narrated through the isnad of ál al-Bayt. So they refuse all views as long as there is no hadith narrated in according to the methodology of She‘ah in accepting hadiths or refusing them. Despite this, al-Khu’i mentions that he views al-Rafi‘i’s opinion as closest to the truth! Many hadiths support that the Qur'an was revealed in seven ahruf, but the scholars differ on the meaning of the seven ahruf. The word ahruf is the plural of harf. Linguistically: harf' in Arabic refers to many meanings: 1- The border or the edge of something. For example, Allah says: “And among mankind is he who worships Allah (as it were) upon a harf (i.e., upon the very edge or in doubt)" [22:11]. 2- A letter or a word, for example, means the letters of the alphabet. 3-To swerve from the truth, to distort. Allah says concerning the Jews
“…they have displaced (yuharifuna) words from their right places…” [4:46]. Religiously: none of scholars stated a specific definition of this issue. The reason is the great difference of opinion concerning the exact meaning of the seven ahruf. Al-Qurtubi tried to define the Ahruf saying: “Every variation of a word in the Qur’an is said to be a harf. So, for example, when we say the harf of ibn Mas‘úd, it means the way that ibn Mas‘úd used to recite that verse or word.” but this definition does not conclude all opinions which according to al-Suyuti have reached forty opinions: “The degree of difference of opinion (ikhtilaf) among the scholars is to the extent of forty sayings. Al-Suyuti has cited the forty different interpretations in his book Al-Itqan fi ‘Ulumi’l-Qur’an and after realizing their weakness has admitted in Tanwiru’l-Hawalik, a commentary on the Muwa>>a’ of Imam Malik, that this hadith should be regarded among the Mutashabihat (i.e. something whose meaning is not known): “To me the best opinion in this regard is that of the people who say that this Hadith is from among matters of Mutashabihat”. Ibn Sa‘dan declared that the true meaning of the ahruf was known only to Allah, and thus to attempt to investigate into this issue was futile! Muhammad ibn al-Jazari, perhaps the greatest scholar of the qira’át said: “I have sought to discover the meaning of these hadiths (about the ahruf), and have pondered over them, and contemplated this topic for over thirty years, until Allah opened my mind to that which is the correct answer in this matter”. That is why we cannot define al-ahruf al-sab‘ah by concluding all different meanings. However, some English authors had mistaken when they translated the Arabic word al-Ahruf al Sab‘ah as seven ‘modes' or ‘dialects’. In this essay, I preferred to mention the Arabic word ahruf or as a plural and harf as a singular which support all opinions.

[@HADarsh-gz7hz]

Actually muslims believe that this book has at least 7 accepted versions.....at the same time they cant tolerate having 2 different qurans.....but before that ...everyone should know that there is no known original manuscript ....they are just copies .....therefore Quran as we know now is just one version produced in Egypt 100 years ago....

[@sidprice6214]

Does this go for the original verbal version too?

[@abmanaf1181]

The Quranic verses is actually preserved by the way of memorising and recitations from the mouth of the prophet Muhammad saw (pbuh).

[@gjoninikollaj2217]

Well read the manoscript of sana

[@sidprice6214]

It does not matter how many times you say this they won't accept it.

[@kingsoneeze2230]

Can you tell me the verse for breast feeding for adults in your the Quran you have today? Otherwise shut up.

[@magistradox39]

Mohammeds followers got murdered, silenced bx the later Califes who created the Quran...

[@nathandurant2825]

How does You Tube come to the decision it's mostly Muslims watching this and post adverts about mosque building and Allah?

[@khaderlander2429]

‏The narrations of al-ahruf al-Sab‘ah: Many hadiths mention that the Qur’an was revealed in seven ahruf. All scholars of Hadith cited these hadiths, including, al-Bukhari, Muslim, al-Tirmithi, al-Nasa‘i and Abu dawūd narrate to name but a few. Some of these hadiths is Mutawátir. (A mutawátir hadith is one that is reported by a large number of narrators in every stage of the chain, so much so that they could not all be mistaken or agree upon a lie) Jalal al-Din al-Suyuti lists twenty-one companions who narrated that the Qur'an was revealed in seven ahruf. Some of these hadiths are below: ‏1-'Umar ibn al-Khattáb said: “I heard Hisham ibn Hakim reciting Surat Al-Furqan during the lifetime of the Allah’s Messenger, and I listened to his recitation and noticed that he recited in several different ways which Allah’s Messenger had not taught me. I was about to jump over him during his prayer, but I controlled my temper, and when he had completed his prayer, I put his upper garment around his neck and seized him by it and said: “Who taught you this Surat which I heard you reciting?” He replied: “Allah’s Messenger taught it to me”. I said: “You have told a lie; for Allah’s Messenger taught it to me in a different way from yours”. So I dragged him to the Messenger of Allah and said: “I heard this person reciting Surat al-Furqan in a way which you haven’t taught me!” Then the Messenger of Allah said: “Release him! Recite, O Hisham”. Then he recited in the same way as I heard him reciting. Then Allah’s Messenger said: “It was revealed in this way”. Then he said: Recite O ‘Umar. I then recited it as he had taught me. Allah’s Messenger said: “It was revealed in this way. This Qur’an has been revealed to be recited in seven different ways (ahruf), so recite of it whichever is easier for you.” ‏2-Ubayy ibn Ka‘ab narrates that once the Prophet (PBUH) met Jibrîl, and said: “O Jibrîl! I have been sent to an illiterate nation. Among them are old and young men and women, and those who have never read any writing!” Jibrîl answered him, “O Muhammad, the Qur'an has been revealed in seven ahruf!” ‏3- Ubayy ibn Ka‘ab also heard two people reciting the Qur'an in a manner different from what he had learnt. After some discussion, both parties went to the Prophet (PBUH) and recited the same portion to him. He (PBUH) approved of both parties’ recitations. At this point, Ubayy narrates: “…there occurred in my mind a sort of denial and doubt that did not exist even in the time of Jahiliyyah (pre-Islamic era)! When the Messenger (PBUH) saw how I was affected, he struck my chest, whereupon I started sweating, and felt as though I were looking at Allah in fear! Then the Prophet (PBUH) said: O Ubayy! A message was sent to me to recite the Qur'an in one harf, but I requested (Allah) to make things easy on my nation. A second message came that I should recite the Qur'an in two ahruf, but I again made the same request. I was then ordered to recite the Qur'an in seven ahruf. ‏4-Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet (PBUH) said: “Jibrîl recited the Qur'an to me in one harf, and I recited it back to him, but I requested him to increase (the number of ahruf) and he continued to increase it for me, until we stopped at seven ahruf.” ibn Shihab al-Zuhri , one of the narrators of the hadith, said: “It has reached me that these seven ahruf are essentially one (in meaning), they do not differ about what is permitted or forbidden.” ‏5-Ubayy ibn Ka'ab reported that the Prophet (PBUH) was once on the outskirts of Madinah (near the tribe of Banu Ghifar) when Jibrîl came to him and said: “Allah has commanded you recite the Qur'an to your people in one harf”. The Prophet (PBUH) replied: “I ask Allah's pardon and forgiveness! My people are not capable of doing this!” Jibrîl then came again and said: “Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in two ahruf.” The Prophet (PBUH) again replied” “I ask Allah's pardon and forgiveness! My people are not capable of doing this!" Jibrîl then came a third time and said: "Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in three ahruf." The Prophet (PBUH) replied for a third time: "I ask Allah's pardon and forgiveness! My people are not capable of doing this!" At last, Jibrîl came for the fourth time, and said: "Allah has commanded you to recite the Qur'an to your people in seven ahruf, and in whichever harf they recite, they would be right. .6- Abu Baqarah narrated that Jibrîl said to

[@khaderlander2429]

@Swoosh Swish we have prophetic traditions which are reliable and preserved rigorously through the ages much more than the new testament called (hadiths). The new testament will fail miserably if put through the standards used for hadiths requirements to pass as authentic and reliable.

[@khaderlander2429]

@Swoosh Swish if you have read my earlier explanation of what 7 ahruf is you would not have asked me a question that have already been answered. The Qur'an has been preserved and have been carbon dated to the earliest written Qur'an at the time of prophet Muhammad. The Qur'an have also been preseved into memory by so many a generation to this day so we have it both written and memories through the ages. Are hadith reliable kzbin.info/www/bejne/aIiUdnWbf5qebZo. Seven ahruf explained kzbin.info/www/bejne/bpnNaKhme5ise8k. How the Qur'an is preserved kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGObYo2vrtyspJY.

[@khaderlander2429]

@Swoosh Swish ahruf and qirat are explained here kzbin.info/www/bejne/jIKXqoqBfZyMe9E

[@khaderlander2429]

@Swoosh Swish I appreciate your questions and I'm studying this topic right now. With open mindedness I have not come across anything that made me question the authenticity of the Qur'an or Islam. I have seen people trying to regurgitate a polemic against Qur'an and Islam with unsubstantiated claims and false assertions. If you a student of knowledge this may help you understand the questions you raised kzbin.info/www/bejne/gWKUiZmFm7l5d7c.

[@Arietini]

Pity to jay smith who still kept with his lies even after series of debate have been made on his argument

[@ubiegom3832]

HMMMM, SOMETHING IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN

[@ayy9536]

There’s a difference when a scribe makes a mistake and is corrected by the same scribe or someone else correctes the mistakes..why would any Muslim have a problem with that.jay smith hyperbole time.

[@anirudracing1446]

Dan Brubaker doesn't even have Wikipedia profile 😎

[@TesterBoy]

I wonder why? Are they afraid of him?

[@hkvjgjvjfj7393]

Debate with CP....!!! He visit all Muslims hero to debate in the fact after debating 90% leave Islam

[@siddiquekatiya8696]

The whole argument you ‘r making because third-rated Muslims scholars and preachers such as Qadhi, Sabbir, Adnan or Abdulah Yousuf Ali have made inaccurate statements that “not a single letter has been changed “- these difference are already identified by the leading Muslims scholars and have concluded that message of the Quran no doubt is properly preserved. The difference in nouns, verbs, placement of diacritical marks, addition and deletion of words: precedence and succession in reading transposition manners of reading don't’ change is Allah’s message

[@gjoninikollaj2217]

Look my friend, every Muslim I now, says that no word have changed in the Quran. And if it changes then which is the real word of God??

[@gabrielmoses8505]

I am so happy to leave Islam1 year ago.. now I am Jesus follower, Amen

[@aaabrams1889]

HELLO - you were never Muslim to start with YOU LIAR.

[@svenknutsen8937]

@@aaabrams1889 How do you know he's a lier? Do you know him?

[@aaabrams1889]

@@svenknutsen8937 They all do that AND RUNS...as they don't know Islam other than what they heard.

[@svenknutsen8937]

@@aaabrams1889 ... and the islam that they heard isn't true islam? How do you know that?

[@aaabrams1889]

@@svenknutsen8937 As a Muslim and a scholar, we know what Islam is...Not to be bias, I normally give Non-Muslim a Non-Muslim about Islam - a educated Non-Muslim that learnt Islam at University level. Here is a Xtian Prof that preaches and teaches Islam in churches - Prof Mat Davis, learn from him instead of these Islamophobes in this video. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJmqn5qifpl-qsk

[@davidchase1439]

When will a textual edition of the Koran come out in sane way the Greek critical edition s such as TR and Nestle Aland,?

[@khaledahmed1313]

O Mankind, the Messenger has come to you with the truth from your Lord, so believe; it is better for you. But if you disbelieve - then indeed, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. And ever is Allah Knowing and Wise. 171 O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs. 172 Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. And whoever disdains His worship and is arrogant - He will gather them to Himself all together. 173 And as for those who believed and did righteous deeds, He will give them in full their rewards and grant them extra from His bounty. But as for those who disdained and were arrogant, He will punish them with a painful punishment, and they will not find for themselves besides Allah any protector or helper. Great Quran

[@John-qo6fs]

What a book!!! it helped me shut up Muslim friends we really needed it. Even though we knew Qur'an is mess but needed something to support our narratives.

[@deathkeper5]

LMAOOO daniel is clueless

[@BattleSymphony349]

Please Al Fadi, please make a short video of this , highlighting different topics

[@akolieba]

We do not serve the same God. Allah and Yahweh are not the same. To reject Christ as son of God to a Christian is for Muslim to reject prophet Muhammad as the prophet to Allah.

[@lionman5577]

You are wrong. The concept of trinity is polythiesm and completely alien to Bible creed. What you follow is not Yahweh but more like Greco-Roman polythiesm. What Islam creed is original beliefs of Adam and all other prophets weather they came to Israel or other parts of the world, very clear from Qur'an.

[@magistradox39]

You should get familiar with the Jewish ancient concept the two Powers in Heaven. Nobody ever in Judaism nor Christianity ever believed in different God's. God is one.

[@florinbtza4692]

So this scholar who have no knowledge of arabic language din't compare the text with another manuscript but he dint find corection..... sound silly

[@jameslevara8027]

A book was preserved in heaven??? what a joke...

[@smacvie]

The more Al bring these truth through many scholars and researchers i am loving and praying more for muslim community may their eyes be open and their heart be touch in Jesus Christ name Amen . Thank you Al, Dr J and Dr Dan👌👍

[@sidprice6214]

You should pray for yourself as your pagan ways will not hold with God when you meet Him. To think of God as a man is paganism.

[@aak1601]

You know better than I, that you know nothing about Quranic manuscripts. But in good will and hopes, I type the rest. The topkapi manuscript is available online. It’s dated from the 90years after the prophet. It has 99% of the Quranic text. (Compared to NT which has its first manuscript 150 years after Jesus and that too a credit card size portion from John chapter 18). So back to the Quran, 99% of the Quranic text is in the topkapi. It is 99% matching with the 1920 Cairo print aka the print we have in use today. Jay smith says that dr Altikulec has pointed out 2700 plus differences between the print we have today and the topkapi, which is True, but when you read the report of dr Altikulec you see that these 2700 plus different is the addition of the letter “alif ” which only denotes an orthographic (alphabetic) representation, however the word is read the same. The 1% difference accounts in the Qiraat reading. More over, the Sana’a manuscript that Dan is working on is just one manuscript which has 20% of Quranic text. There are many others either older or contemporary to the Sana’a like BNF Arabe 328a which has 27% of the Quranic text and is 99.9% in line with our prints today with orthographic stylistic difference but the words are read the same. Example that word “with” was spelt as “wyth” in 1526 William Tyndales english Bible. This is not a error , this is the spelling convention of the time, same thing with the Quranic differences when I say orthography. In conclusion, we have many manuscripts either older or in contemporary to the Sana’a , so one off manuscript due to poor scribal quality cannot be used to determine or make these biased agenda driven conclusions, while you ignore all the others intact available Quranic manuscript. For checking the Quranic manuscripts on line , go to this non Muslims German research project works and do the verification for your self corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/1/vers/4 Or watch this video refuting all the lies and non sense out there, and this video has links in the description box to self verify the claims the video makes , just in case Christians start screaming “taqiyya” kzbin.info/www/bejne/aaHGlqGmo7KJjKc

[@bernarddesilva5718]

Mad Man

[@sehrishbalouch7068]

Well done I suppose but this doesn’t prove Jesus is son of God. Also, God always sends prophets not sons, Abraham, Moses, Noah, Joseph, Jonah, ALL we’re prophets and messengers!

[@Cloud-er6yg]

These prophets send by God to prophesied the coming of Jesus.

[@khalidraja2281]

Allah guides whom he wills and misguides whom he wills, he misguides the transgressors

[@samsuddinsalleh1742]

The Glorious Quran was memorize by Prophet Muhammad follow by billions till now unbroken chain Alhamdulillah.

[@henktmmr]

And then you woke up .....

[@samsuddinsalleh1742]

And realized Islam is the only religion that place God Almighty to the highest without any shadow of a doubt and accepting all the prophets of God to the best. Alhamdulillah.

[@islanderws]

@@samsuddinsalleh1742 I agree, Mohammed was definitely the greatest pornstar prophet of ALL time, and the semen on his clothes was the Khatam an-Nabiyyin Seal of the Prophet😂

[@gjoninikollaj2217]

If you ask a Muslim 1+1=2 If a imam says 1+1=7 surely he will believe the imam 🤣🤣🤣

[@currnhyde3123]

By denying God's Word and rejecting Son as prophecied in Psalm 2?

[@jameslevara8027]

Our almighty..God has sent so many people who are engaged in this field to keep exposing this deceptive Islamic teaching....

[@aaabrams1889]

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR There are no corrections OF the Quran as Thee Creator is the author. Quran means Recital and this is what Muslims do, RECITING THE QURAN and those who knows it by heart from cover to cover (Hafiz) in a continues chain since Mohammad (saw) till now and to the end of time... To have the Quran in book form is a bonus and some corrections in the old manuscripts were made by SCRIBES...the Quran was also recorded in different dialects - these old manuscripts with those so called "corrections" do not alter the meaning and message.

[@swissapologetics]

😂 ignore the facts and believe whatever you want... Btw, how can Allah be the author of the funny Quran if the Book claim to be eternal? When did Allah create the uncreated Quran? Before Umar made Verses? Before Mohammed forgot verses? Before the goat ate verses?

[@aaabrams1889]

@@swissapologetics WHAT FACTS? You are just jealous of Islam..ha ha ha ..go read your corrupted bible with FILTH, PORN, INCEST, PEDOPHILIA, RAPE, ADULTERY, ABSURDITIES, ETC... (must i show you?) Your comment is baseless and constitutes hearsay from these Islomophobes...

[@swissapologetics]

@@aaabrams1889 Fact that the Quran was never *perfectly* memorized. Thats just what you *have to* believe. But there is 0 proof for it. In *fact* its the opposite. There were always ppl who memorized Quran, just like it always give ppl memorizing things, but *never perfectly!* Fact is, there are verses missing and no muslim memorize them. Fact is, ppl who memorize (some) quran, learn it from the books, and not by oral tradition. So your whole argument is already *done!* You try to claim that Quran was preserved in memory and only changed on paper/goatfood... but *fact* is, quran was never preserved. *Fact* is, its not written in quran, that only quran will be preserved, but all revelations, which includes, according to quran, the tora and the injeel. I could go on...

[@aaabrams1889]

@@swissapologetics How can the Quran be not PERFECTLY MEMORIZED as Muslims since Mohammad (saw) time till now have been RECITING THE QURAN FROM MEMORY (Hafiz) in their 5 x daily Salats PLUS additional Salats EVERYDAY? The Quran means RECITATION - You are just talking without knowing how Hafiz scholars, even as young as 5 years old learn and recites. Here is a 3 year old HAFIZ child reciting the Quran and he can't even read kzbin.info/www/bejne/maq5oIKZj79mmac Here is a child leading one of the 5 x daily Salats and if he makes a mistake, those behind him corrects him immediately kzbin.info/www/bejne/rJrVm4ttqZuffq8 Here is a oriental child reciting the Quran from memory as well kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIPLiKqposl9mdk The point is, this is an ongoing process from Mohammad (saw) time keeping the Quran pure, perfect till the end of time.

[@telltruthfollowtruth6404]

@AA ABRAHAMS Why? do you have shame when bring truth to an open platform by scholars from fraud quran?? Exmuslim.

[@drittenberry1]

Thank you

[@tolanicosta4777]

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[@joeyahoo4493]

Surah Fussilat 41 : 37 prohibiting muslim to worship sky objects (sun, moon, stars) is recited by Muhammad (because he's illiterate) 3-5 years (AD 613-615) after he proclaimed as a prophet of allah in AD 610. He copied the Jews' Tanak (Bible: the Old Testament) Exodus 20 : 4, Deuteronomy 4 : 19 & 17 : 3 that Yahweh, the God of Israel that's worshiped by Abraham, Ishaq & Yakub, forbids the Israelites to worship sky objects but Q 6 : 77 muslims used to worship the moon goddess 🌙 & Q 53 : 49 Sirius the brightest star used to be Allah. William Tisdall says in his book "The Original Sources of the Qur'an - Its Origin In Pagan Legends and Mythology" during that time Muhammad followed some of Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabian belief and practices. At that time he was still befriended wth them. He had access to Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabians (ancient people of Mesopotamia (nowadays Iraq until southern Syria) scriptures. He admitted the rightful Inhibitans of Israel in the Palestinian's land (Quran 5: 20-26), Jews & Christian are good friends. They'll go to heaven., but quran 5:82 to hate the Jews but Christians are the kindest to muslim, fight & slaughter the Jews (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6981 & 6985), quran 5:14 to hate Christians, quran 9:29 to fight theJews & Christias, 5 : 51, 1 : 7 the Christians & Jews are the cursed ones. Muhammad ordered muslims to pray 5x/ day to curse them, the Pact of Omar in AD 717, allah turned the Jews into pigs & monkeys Q 2 : 65 & 5 : 60, 7 : 163, rats are made from the Jews Sahih Al Bukhari, book 54, Hadith 524, cut the neck & fingers of the disbelievers Q 8 : 12 & 47 : 3 - 4, to kill the non muslims Sahih Al Bukhari Vo. I, p. 13, Q 9 : 14, to wipe out non muslims Q 6 : 44 - 45 & many more. Why there are many contradictions ??? The turning point is in AD 624. Muhammad wanted to be accepted as their new prophet (the Jew were waiting for their Masiah & the Christian were waiting for the coming of Christ for the 2nd time). When they rejected him he turned against them. Muhammad quarrelled with the Jews in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad chased, killed & expelled them out of the Arabian Peninsula.... W. Tidall, p. 39. In the same page says in the same year Muhammad performed his 1st 'Idu'l Adha. While the Jews slaughtered lambs Muhammad slaughtered 2 kids. One for his people & one for himself. Book of Dr. Daniel Alan Brubaker "Corrections in Early Qur'an Manuscripts". Dr. Dan says, "There are thousands seemingly endless deletions & insertions in the early quranic manuscripts (7th century)". Quran is just a man made book. Western & European historians are free from religious oppression, intimidation & collusion. Not like their fellow muslim historians in their muslim countries. Eventhough they don't live in muslim countries but they're still bound with their religion. By making a report which is contrary to the quran & islamic rules and agreements the muslim historian could still face death threat, eg. Salman Rushdie. Salman actually didn't make any report which is contrary with the quran. It's already there ! Q 22 : 52 (read the interpretation of the verse by Ibn Kathir, 1999 printing, vol 5, p. 441).

[@joeyahoo4493]

The turning point is in AD 624. It's explained near the end of this reply. We shouldn't rely on the quranic verses only but we've to know the time, history of Muhammad & the reason(s) why this/ that verses were written & when. Read book of William St. Tisdall. I've got one. Google who's he & his achievements. Western/ European historian can investigate any historical event free of religious oppression. The reports will be published & debated in the public. If the author is lying/ making up a story he/ she could be persecuted by the government for making false statements in attempt to gain personal's interest (eg. money by selling his/ her books or famous name but by deceiving people). They can't do it the democratic Western & European countries but they can do it muslim countries after collaborating with their imams (censorship, dos & dons). Surah Fussilat 41 : 37 prohibiting muslim to worship sky objects (sun, moon, stars) is recited by Muhammad (because he's illiterate) 3-5 years (AD 613-615) after he proclaimed as a prophet of allah in AD 610. He copied the Jews' Tanak (Bible: the Old Testament) Exodus 20 : 4, Deuteronomy 4 : 19 & 17 : 3 that Yahweh, the God of Israel that's worshiped by Abraham, Ishaq & Yakub, forbids the Israelites to worship sky objects but Q 6 : 77 muslims used to worship the moon goddess 🌙 & Q 53 : 49 Sirius the brightest star used to be Allah. William Tisdall says in his book "The Original Sources of the Qur'an - Its Origin In Pagan Legends and Mythology" during that time Muhammad followed some of Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabian belief and practices. At that time he was still befriended wth them. He had access to Jewish's, Christian's & the Sabians (ancient people of Mesopotamia (nowadays Iraq until Southern Syria) scriptures. Quran has many contradictions, eg. Muhammad admitted the rightful Inhibitans of Israel in the Palestinian's land (Quran 5: 20-26), Jews & Christian are good friends. They'll go to heaven but quran 5:82 to hate the Jews & the Christians are the kindest to muslim, fight & slaughter the Jews (Sahih Muslim, Book 41, Hadith 6981 & 6985), quran 5:14 to hate Christians, quran 9:29 to fight theJews & Christian, 5 : 51, 1 : 7 the Christians & Jews are the cursed ones. Muhammad ordered muslims to pray 5x/ day to curse them, the Pact of Omar in AD 717, allah turned the Jews into pigs & monkeys Q 2 : 65 & 5 : 60, 7 : 163, rats are made from the Jews Sahih Al Bukhari, book 54, Hadith 524, cut the neck & fingers of the disbelievers Q 8 : 12 & 47 : 3 - 4, to kill the non muslims Sahih Al Bukhari Vo. I, p. 13, Q 9 : 14, to wipe out non muslims Q 6 : 44 - 45 & many more. The turning point is in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad wanted to be accepted as their new prophet (the Jew were waiting for their Masiah & the Christian were waiting for the coming of Christ for the 2nd time). When they rejected him he turned against them with sword. Muhammad quarrelled with the Jews in AD 624 in Medina. Muhammad chased, killed & expelled them out of the Arabian Peninsula.... W. Tidall, p. 39. In the same page says in the same year Muhammad performed his 1st 'Idu'l Adha. While the Jews slaughtered lambs Muhammad slaughtered 2 kids. One for his people & one for himself.

[@cpthekufarbuster8605]

So Jesus was worshipping himself for the 33 years he lived on earth? Before his alleged crucifixion, the bible says that he prayed until his sweat looked like blood - Matthew 26:36-44, Luke 22:39-46. Was he merely acting? Whom was he praying to? Before he started praying, he told Peter, John and James (Luke 22:43-44) to keep vigil, just in case the Roman soldiers were coming for him. You want to tell me that your God is not everywhere, and can't see/tell what is happening a few miles away - Matthew 26:40? On the cross, Jesus cried, "my God! my God! Why are you forsaking me - Matthew 27:46?". Who was this "God" who was forsaking "another lesser God"? Don't tell me that all these were drama?

[@magistradox39]

He prayed to God the Father. Before the creation of this Universe God, Holy Spirit, JHWH made up this plan that Jesus will come down to earth, to make himself to one of us, to relate to us, strip himself for a time from all his power and glory (mostly). Sad that you hate it. "My God, my God why have you forsaken me" relates to Psalm 22. Read it and you understand what Jesus was saying and referring too. It continues in Psalm 23, a Psalm Demons hate very much...

[@SEKreiver]

Mr. Brubaker is a brave and erudite man.

[@sidprice6214]

For his troubles he went from "Mr" to "Dr". As for "brave" - his book shows he is biased and prejudiced. As for "erudite" - Dr Altikulac's book put paid to that.

[@aak1601]

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[@jeremyspal78]

If the foundation of Pagan Islam is a mixture of many religion and pagan beliefs from the qureysh..then this pagan islam wont stand even to my 4 year old kid who knows his scriptures..

[@aaabrams1889]

SHOW ME how Islam is pagan and I'll show you that Xtianity is pagan.

[@umms29]

It is overwhelmingly evident of the current customs and practices by Muslims were directly incorporated from the pre-Islamic Arab pagan tribes into the new religion of Islam. The Great Pilgrimage and the Occult Umrah, Circumambulation, Stoning of the Pillars, Commemoration of Safa and Marwa priest & priestess of the Kaaba shrine, Animal sacrifice & blood-letting, the Annual Lunar Feast (a distorted event to what we know now as Ramadhan) and of course the baetyl worship of the Black Stone and the Kaaba Shrine. In reality, the whole ritualisation is utterly pagan in origin and a classic example of Baetylism, no different to the druids & priestesses worshipping at Stonehenge 😂😂😂

[@aaabrams1889]

@@umms29 What you fail to understand is, that Adam, the First modern man built the Kaaba, pinpointed by a Stone from Paradise that came as a "meteor" to show the location right under the Throne of God. Adam worshiped the ONE GOD the only way he knew by imitation the Angels who circles the Throne of God in heaven, the Tawaf (circling of the Kaaba). After the flood of Noah, Abraham, Hagar & Ismael rebuilt the Kaaba on the original foundations of Adam. Pagan Arabs started to settle there because of the Zam-Zam well founded by Hagar & Ismael when Hagar ran between Safa & Marwa. God commanded Abraham to sacrifice Ismael and the Devil whispered to them that they should not and that's why the "Stoning of the Pillars" are done because Abraham, Hagar & Ismael stones the Devil where those "pillars" Jamarats are. The entire Holy Pilgrimage is based on Adam & Eve, when Allah forgave them on Mount Arafat, Abraham, Hagar & Ismael building the Kaaba - Abraham's foot print us still there, the Marqami Ebrahim, etc... Even Moses were at the Kaaba as hid father-in law Jethro was the High-priest of the Kaaba - the exodus was via Makkah and they settled in that desert... Your Ignorance is from the EVIL missionaries that lies and deceives....GET YOURSELF EDUCATED FROM THE CORRECT SOURCES.

[@mhamedkhattabi5863]

the fact of the matter is we had throughout the history 100k of people knew koran by heart so anything that you guys are trying to prove and reach is worthless