The REAL COST of Titanium!!!

[@CJRaceCars]

Let’s talk titanium!!! Merch: cjracecars.com

[@traitorhatergetarope3163]

Whatever happened to the 2j car? Never got to see it finished. Saw it at FL2K a couple years ago and was super impressed with the quality of the craftsmanship. Want to see it make passes.

[@CDeese39]

I wish you guys would dip just a toe into dirt oval track late models that would be badass to see your detail into one of them cars.

[@doinitwrong1133]

Went to order a shirt but can't ship to fpo, ae (overseas military), dang! Love the content my man!

[@CJRaceCars]

@@traitorhatergetarope3163 it’s made some passes. It’s been 5.80s at 250mph

[@CJRaceCars]

@@doinitwrong1133 send us an email and we can accommodate shipping.

[@brianmoore2508]

I have 4 titanium rods in my back, 2 in my arm. I don’t know what the rebuild kits cost but installation was hundreds of thousands of dollars 😂😂

[@2873lonewolf]

Winning comment for laughter!! Too funny man...

[@CJRaceCars]

😅

[@Atodaso-pg9kq]

Does that mean your chassis is SFI certified? 😂

[@danmyers9372]

Yeah, I had titanium rods and screws put into my back 2 months ago. Glad they used titanium, I don’t any extra lbs! Actually they use titanium in orthopedic surgery because it is light and strong but mostly because it binds to bone better than other metals.

[@gafrers]

Top comment. Laughed way too hard. Thank You

[@fredbawden1468]

It's so refreshing to see a channel so willing to talk detailed technicalities with materials and methods, rather than sidestep questions or give incomplete information. Love it.

[@ornymac]

I love that you don’t gatekeep any information.

[@jok3yjesu339]

Don't really need to, it's really hard to work with titanium without experience that goes for more than just welding. That's for notching, bending, correct sizing, material choice, as well as if it works well with other materials in the chassis etc. It takes skill to work with it not many shops have that capability

[@Gwape_Jam]

@@jok3yjesu339”don’t really need to” yeah no shit, yet almost everyone does. Dumb ah comment

[@jok3yjesu339]

@@Gwape_Jam who

[@slappomatthew]

in the industry it doesn't matter as there are SO FEW shops worth a shit enough to actually use this info and actually get a car out the door that there is more than enough work for the handful of shops actually moving this level of product.

[@brian2ize]

Companies like that is ones worth giving ur money too.

[@Southernboyrhec]

I seriously like how you take the time to explain what you’re doing as far as titanium on Cletus eagle and that’s so awesome to learn from you and experience the process and thank you 🙏

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for watching. Hope we can keep it going 🙏🏻💪🏻

[@SteveMacdaddy]

Really glad Cletus turned us on to you guys. Learning alot about top tier building. Nice work guys.

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for following along

[@scottvaughan473]

Naw Man Justin did first lol. I didn’t know Camron was responsible for Leroy

[@josephking4461]

Look up Justin swanstrom.

[@josephking4461]

@@scottvaughan473was thinking the same

[@JeffJohnson-wv1vo]

Fast isn't cheap. With today's technologies, it's endless.

[@CJRaceCars]

Absolutely

[@BassManBobBassCovers]

Especially with our president :)

[@petert3355]

How fast can you go? As fast as your bank balance will let you.

[@killerminion7057]

Fast, Cheap, Reliable, you can only have 2 of them.

[@WowCreativeUsername]

@@BassManBobBassCovers bait

[@taw5218]

The attention to detail is amazing. You've built one hell of a crew.

[@CJRaceCars]

Lucky to have the team we have for sure!

[@taw5218]

@@CJRaceCars When you do things the right way and with a sense of pride it is easy to build a great crew. The ones that share your values will migrate towards you.

[@dietbr00ksy]

One unsolicited audio/sound tip, I feel this may be beneficial to the channel. The audio volume in the videos is very dyanmic. Without using any more jargon, your speaking sections are "low" volume and the drag strip clips are very loud in comparison. I believe reducing the volume of the drag clips by 10-15% to start with would be a welcomed change. Really enjoying the content, you're killing it. Hell yeah brother.

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for the advice. We are working on that each time learning as we go lol

[@janockosgarage]

It's a youtube video. It's not that serious.

[@speeddemon2008]

@@janockosgarage It kinda is. The first few videos, the intro was jarring, but the rest was fine.

[@L1Z1O]

Seems every person Cleetus works with has a large video production cost in their future. Videos are day and night different quality from the beginning. ​@@CJRaceCars

[@Blackpillinduced]

Sound didn't have that drastic of a difference for me personally.

[@bradleyduncan8224]

Im proud to see you guys posting videos like this. So many people dont get how the cost of these cars is so high but to be at the top level it takes detail and the materials to make top level cars arent cheap. Keep up the killer work guys!

[@tyleravery44]

Very interesting, so if the driver was to loose 15 lbs before race season, that would relate to thousands saved in titanium.

[@chucksherron]

Good point but that weight savings is all in the cockpit. You can choose where to save weight with lighter material.

[@GW71093]

Or you do both and you’re even lighter

[@mcb0b1]

These are drag racers we are talking about. They would rather spend 10’s of thousands of dollars to cut 15lbs, rather than saving money and losing 15lbs by not eating fast food😂

[@Edizzle15]

@@mcb0b1cough* Dean and duckstrom

[@NonTypicalRacing]

Justin Swanstrom, did you hear that?

[@montikore]

Loving the channel since I came from the Cleetus reveal. I appreciate you sharing some of your knowledge with us and I can't wait to see this badass unit run some 5s

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for coming over and following along! 💪🏻

[@aaronhawkins5951]

ever since cleet braught me here ive watched every video i really love all the knowledge in your videos!

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for watching 🙏🏻💪🏻

[@aSinisterKiid]

Pushing the boundaries with metal fabrication is a great way to set yourself apart from the other performance shops and it's great that you've decided to stick with that plan. Specializing in titanium and leading the way with new techniques and things people haven't tried before is key to innovation. It's great that you are willing to have such faith in your detail oriented workers and you don't make them sacrifice those details. That's the way my brain works too and there are too many shops that try to push you to "get it done now" at the cost of that craftsmanship and that never sits right with me. Keep up the great work.

[@CJRaceCars]

I am very particular and love what we do. We all take a lot of pride in building the nicest cars we can build 💪🏻

[@aSinisterKiid]

@@CJRaceCars I appreciate your mindset of quality and detail. It's been great to see a shop that insists on such quality craftsmanship.

[@BryanR83]

I love that you're sharing all this stuff, this rules - great work. I could listen to the technical side of this stuff all day.

[@Michael666CA]

Here originally from John Doc, have been watching him build his race car (Collection) 🤣 for a few years. Cool seeing you guys building the Eagle and putting out some content.

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for coming over 💪🏻

[@dtw322]

You're killing it. These videos are awesome! Thank you for taking time to craft excellent content!

[@bluewater82]

10:00 I've never built a race car but I can appreciate this. I build high-power fiberglass rockets that are up to 7ft long and 4in in diameter that can reach supersonic speeds and climb miles into the sky and I can attest to the added weight from a few coats of paint having a significant impact on performance. Edited to add a link to one of my flights, for anyone interested. kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIqXmJuuma-Upsksi=40btOrxko8LmxOs4 And the recovery: kzbin.info/www/bejne/e2HKgaCwiMiEjsUsi=WxUOCmvCgWVFQ6mg

[@absolut7769]

Cameron I just started watching your channel and man you are one of the most professional people ive seen on KZbin. You dont just say things, you show and prove what you say. 👍👍👍

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for watching 🙏🏻

[@mrbotucker]

Make no apologies for your work, it’s awesome and all the time and materials cost.

[@picklesontheroad]

Watching y'all build this car and others, it really brings me back to what I wanted to do as a teen in the early 80's. While I was able to go to school for automotive engineering and design, there really were no schools available to me for this type of chassis design and fabrication. Since I really never got to follow my dreams of building cars like this, I built a few of my own cars parts but I spent my working life as a mechanic. It bought me 3 houses, fed 5 kids, 2 wives and even got me enough money to play with cars... Now I'm retired, so no complaints. Happy you are able to follow your dreams!

[@alansmith3959]

Back a long time ago we where making throttle pedals for F1, welding was difficult as the big cups and gas lenses that are available now didn't exist, we even built a chamber to weld in. Great video's and the best quality work 👍

[@davidg3944]

Cool, which teams did you work for?

[@alansmith3959]

@@davidg3944 Brabham, BT56, I was tool making.

[@davidg3944]

@@alansmith3959 Very nice! So you've met Gordon Murray? [edit, I just checked and his involvement with Brabham ended with the BT55, so perhaps not]

[@alansmith3959]

@@davidg3944 BT56 was after Gordon Murray last of the BMW turbo cars, so no I didn't meet him.

[@CJRaceCars]

That’s pretty cool. Yeah the big cups definitely help the process.

[@naufalkusumah2192]

I believe titanium has higher tensile strength per weight than steel does, but has lower fatigue and impact strength than steel

[@toxicatedknight]

steel will bend before it snaps titanium with snap before it bends for sure.

[@janockosgarage]

TI has better fatigue resistance.

[@davidg3944]

@@janockosgarage That's not correct - steels have better fatigue resistance, and are less prone to damage due to welding atmosphere control failure (i.e. having oxygen or nitrogen get to the hot (over 700C or so) metal, which can further embrittle the metal in the HAS and make it more prone to cracking. It takes real care to weld Ti successfully.

[@NonTypicalRacing]

​@@toxicatedknightlike magnesium vs. aluminum.

[@janockosgarage]

@@davidg3944 I'm sure you mean HAZ. And I wasn't talking anything about the weldment, I was generally talking about the material itself.

[@MastaT_150]

I’m curious, Murder Nova had Titanium zoomies built for NPK this season, how do you think they will hold up long term?

[@CJRaceCars]

Not sure. So far seem to be ok.

[@jamesatlka]

The way Shawn said it was basically even if they only last one season the cost is worth it for the weight savings he got out of it

[@monkeywrench0265]

Awesome video, love all the technical details, keep it up

[@willmarotta4525]

Honda bought titanium scrap from machine shops. They used this scrap for the rods in the NSX. Porsche used titanium for springs in the 917. I use titanium nuts and bolts when ever I can.

[@SteveMelissaMcAdams]

Good thing about Titanium is not only is it's strength but it will under load it will return to it's shape

[@manuelurrutia3228]

This guy... it's like he is good at real stuff doing, like that engine guy that is really good at doing stuff. You know the guy. These videos are great man, please don't feel discouraged at all because we eat this content for breakfast and ask for second helpings if you got any. B-Roll, that stuff is gold and we watch it so let us have it. Lol have a great day and thank you for making humans safer at what we do.

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for watching we are definitely working to keep the content going 💪🏻

[@thomasphilyaw8593]

Cleetus fan here joining your team. Anyone he trusts his life with is worth following. Cars looking really good too. Can't wait for the finished product.

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for joining 🙏🏻💪🏻

[@ricknoah9184]

Titanium is my favorite metal to weld. Something about puddle control.... It can both penetrate and look good. Not all metals do that quite as well, except maybe nickel, but that's almost always as an overlay. It's also kinda pretty...

[@MrAnviljenkins]

I worked at a company that made medical implants, in our stock rack we had a length of aprox 1.5" TI round stock. It was useless because there were no material certs for it and nearly every use for TI you need material certs. But handling that bar was kinda spooky...if you have lifted steel and alumimum bars you know it is "different" when you handle it. The weight of course but to a degree you can actually "feel" the modulus of elasticity to some degree :-).

[@SirPoisoned]

These videos give me old school youtube vibes, purely passionate info. Keep it up

[@pilbaraman1755]

Good morning from Australia, my first video to get my day started .. your doing an awsome job on the updates, I am excited for this build... cant wait ti the The Eagle to do its first hit ... oh, the engine, Himi twin turbo ... at a guess

[@TheGinger1]

I'm sure I'm like a lot of people and I'm here because of Cleatus but this is the kind of video that would keep me coming back once Eagle is built and gone. More content like this please.

[@CJRaceCars]

🙏🏻💪🏻

[@machaus99]

Where titanium meets chromoly (like in a bolt together or sleeved connection) does it create any kind of galvanic reaction?

[@janockosgarage]

The chromoloy would be coated with paint or powder coat. The dissimilar materials wouldn't even be directly touching

[@CJRaceCars]

No because of powder coating

[@DavidMiller-yc5ol]

Hey bro just a little piece of advice- instead of press fitting the way you described, you may want to put the outer tube in an oven for a little while and the inner fitting put in a freezer or better yet some liquid nitrogen for a short while. This way they will fit together easily without having to use heavy press pressure thus you avoid introducing stress lines into the material. Outside of that you guys are awesome.

[@CJRaceCars]

Very minimal pressure needed to press. Biggest thing is zero slop or room for movement.

[@janockosgarage]

That's called a thermal interference fit. This press fit is only a couple thousands of an inch to be snug when assembled. No ovens or freezers are necessary

[@shotgun_chef3265]

CJRC, take a look at some of the other steel materials on the market. SSAB, people who make DOCOL R8(which is really DP800) make a tube from DP980 which is like 20% stronger than the R8. There are also Boron steel grades that after heat treat can be insanely strong. Not sure if you can buy either as a commodity product but they are used in the OEM auto world (I used to focus on developing tubing applications for advance materials in OEM programs). I think I heard you say you didn’t like the R8 material before, it really does not like to be fusion welded without pressure on the joint, but a cool thing about it is that it is easily mig weldable. I know you are not a production shop, but if you were to ever want to do more production type chassis work it is worth taking another look at.

[@Cam-t7e]

Love your detail to your craft and all the hard work your team does!!!

[@keithknowles2014]

Love to see master crafters at work - engineering as an art!! Beautiful stuff guys - RESPECT!

[@Frostyeveryday]

Awesome information! Glad I subscribed! I can’t wait to see more of you guys builds and end results at the tracks!

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for the sub 💪🏻

[@ShaggyDA1]

Elite shop you have. Unreal level of detail and craftsmanship.

[@adamaylesworth4152]

not sure how much background you have in media or if you are enjoying this with the passion of fab, glad your publishing these. I enjoy the technical just as much as the results. keep up the good work.

[@CJRaceCars]

No background in media but I do love sharing this stuff with other people that also enjoy what we do. We will get better at the media side 😅

[@adamaylesworth4152]

@CJRaceCars not a bad at all, I know from my mechanical mind I would have a hard time doing the media stuff. Yall are doing good. Truly hope yall can continue to show off your(shops) skills on this platform for a while

[@medisin90]

Do not stop making these videos! Now is the time brother! Love it!!!!

[@CJRaceCars]

We are trying to keep them going for sure 💪🏻

[@frankfrosolonejr7010]

My dad used to run titanium valves and axles in his drag bike I believe he was amra national champion in his class for 94,95,96 years raced a supercharged harley I think it was super modified class

[@Motoko5000]

I got a comment for you what all the safty stuff do u make and use to protect the driver and what brakes and what is the bigest engine u ever built

[@michaellafleur2077]

Dude you guys do excellent work and the craftsmanship is out of this world. Thanks for explaining the difference in cost, racing is not for the cheap when it comes to safety and winning. Thanks for the videos.

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for watching. More coming!

[@randr10]

I remember my old GT Performer freestyle bike in 4130 chromoly was insanely light. I had a regular old steel mongoose bmx frame from the early '80s before that and it felt like there was nothing under me doing bunny hops with the GT frame, and it actually held up better. Cracked the mongoose frame at the seat post. To hear that you're able to get the strength you need and still lose that much weight using titanium bars blows me away. Last I looked at titanium it didn't have the toughness and fatigue resistance you can get out of a good alloy steel but maybe if you use it in the right spots like you showed you can get away with it? Very cool to get a glimpse into your shop though. Seems like you're on the bleeding edge of drag racing chassis material use.

[@CJRaceCars]

Can definitely get away with it in some applications no problem.

[@EARTHROMR]

Excellent video, Thanks for all the explanations

[@reeljamescooper]

I think a lot of the failures in the past was due to not following the very precise weld procedure that titanium mandates. Also, from my own experience, if you get the right trailing rig, you can do more than 3/4 of an inch at a time. I got mine from Furick.

[@CJRaceCars]

On small diameter tubing even with good trailing we don’t go to far but you are right. The welding process is a big reason some ti welds have failed.

[@alexpirie9947]

Love the content. I'm glad clettus introduced me to your channel. Beautiful work as a certified welder yall are definitely a different league from anyone else

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for coming over to check it out.

[@1-Six-dee]

You have gotten so much better on camera then you were a couple of years ago when I first seen u from swans channel

[@randywl8925]

Wowza. Your knowledge and confidence level is out of the park. I can see why Cleetus chose you to build his car. Without the engine and drivetrain or sheet metal....... Whats the weight difference in Cleetuses car as built, compared to being all chrome moly?

[@CJRaceCars]

60-70lbs

[@TristianWrites]

I love the knowledge you give on these videos. As well as the ball park of how much it cost. I know I can’t afford it but it puts into perspective how much it cost to go as fast as these guys are going.

[@starfleetau]

The thing with people going 'Titanium isn't any good' forget that as you said it depends a lot on the material and the manufacturing, titanium alloy is one of the strongest materials known to man, weight to tensile strength, but like any material if it's not prepared properly or spec'd right it won't hold. But there is a reason that the F-14's wing box for example was made from Titanium alloy, it needed a strong, light material. There's a reason it's used in most modern aircraft since. It's just engineering like everything.

[@cleric670]

Now THIS is the kind of video I want to see more of, real nitty-gritty type of stuff. Excellent stuff and I with I could give it a second thumbs-up.

[@myrx2]

We use titanium bolt kits on our sprintcar and a few other components but like they its not cheap to go fast!!

[@9rjharper]

Beautiful stuff. That Scion is bonkers. I’m sure you’ve done the quick math, but I wonder how long a ti tube needs to be to offset the weight of the sleeves/sockets and hardware. Obviously it varies depending on the diameter and wall of the tubes and sockets.

[@jdufkis]

Really love the information you guys put out, thank you!

[@GeoffInfield]

My question was "can it be welded to anything else"? Google says yes but tricky - gas tungsten arc welding to ally and friction welding to other metals tho its high melting point makes it hard. Cool.

[@CJRaceCars]

We don’t weld it to anything else. It may be possible but probably not very structural.

[@carcrazysammy]

I had no idea how much went into these cars. Much respect Sir!! A wonderful business.

[@paulschlaht405]

Great Video... Let's talk Carbon Fiber!!! I don't know the working parameters of either. Is carbon fiber bars NOT a thing? How does it compare to Titanium? You and your shop are impressive!👍

[@MarkEichelberger-cw6cb]

Great mindset to push safety and innovation... and thanks for doing what most don't do... explain the cost and weight and price options... super cool

[@Balvanix]

I wonder what kind of gas are you using for titanium welding? I remember reading it is supposed to be more pure Argon then for stainless.

[@mchristr]

Aircraft manufacturers use titanium everywhere, including the largest parts of the brake trucks and landing gear linkage. So yes, it's durable.

[@kennethsonier1766]

Good morning from Cape Cod ⛵ I just subscribed by recommendation of Cleetus. Your team builds are absolutely amazing. At 60 I know nothing of race cars but I'm about to learn. Keep up the great work ✌️🇺🇲

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for coming over to check it out 🙏🏻💪🏻

[@nonyabiz2777]

Dedication to the craft is sweet perfection. Nice work.

[@marcus_velo_9970]

looks great; the real innovation in terms of strength to weight ratio will be carbon fibre. also working in the cycling industry we 'don't' use titanium on front forks, could be something to think about on the steering components.

[@CJRaceCars]

Absolutely could be big slso

[@Adclif]

This looks super awesome.

[@customautomarine]

That Scion you guys did is an absolute work of art.

[@2000freefuel]

Have you looked into starting a hydroformed sheet metal stamping program? where you create stampings that get plug/spot welded together to create assembles.

[@CJRaceCars]

No never have

[@2000freefuel]

@@CJRaceCars Should you already be using FEA and other advanced software tools in your shop to model designs, you might want to look into hydro forming sheet stock. you know as a preferred method to cut weight.

[@madmikescustoms]

Can we possibly see a video on the Fox body please 🙏. Y'all do some amazing work. Thank you for explaining everything. Beautiful craftsmanship y'all are doing. American pride right here in this shop. God bless y'all's

[@CJRaceCars]

Yes I think we can throw it in there!

[@mrbotucker]

You’re a pro obviously, not sure why we have to go over costs each time. Let’s go!

[@THEFERMANATOR]

After snapping a titanium rod in my hip, I stay away from it. It has to be machined just right and watch the stress risers, I know that for certain as that is why the rod snapped in my hip was a stress riser in the machining.

[@tincanracing7289]

Would you guys consider a how to on welding titanium tubes together? I know purging is huge on Titanium so do you pre plan where to drill holes for oxygen to escape and so on. I think it could be a cool video.

[@CJRaceCars]

Yeah definitely

[@NorthernHDrider]

Cool stuff. Been a welder pushing 20 years, done alot and still love my job. Awesome knowledge my way with cromoly to titanium. Always wonder about them types of material. Curious on being ductile? Do they bend easily, or twist easy? Gotta say too, spoiled the beans on the motor for having the power plant a secret. Whatever.

[@CJRaceCars]

We will show more detail when we build some titanium parts for Eagle

[@NICKGAR7]

What GRADE Ti are you using for various common components and do you do any form of post-treatment ? Interesting video. Thanks CJ !

[@ProCharged377LX]

This is by far one of your best videos !! Totally enjoyed the knowledge you shared!! The numbers you threw out there on prices to get this done I honestly feel sorry for Cleetus! Beautiful craftsmanship BUT not worth $500,000!!

[@CJRaceCars]

Everyone can race at any level. Unfortunately at this level that’s what it takes.

[@chalky4997]

From memory, I thought Ti and moly have very similar strength (uts, yts, ss) at two thirds the weight for the same given size and thickness? If so whats the concern with the strength of Ti in some areas of a high torque chassis, other than cost?

[@silver_bullet682]

Great video, super interesting and really good information, thanks.

[@sierrahp]

Cletus brought me here. Your incredible content kept me here.❤

[@CJRaceCars]

Thanks for coming over 💪🏻

[@Lakenplaysgames]

New vid of Cletus , the car is looking incredible

[@anthonylimjoco5958]

The thing about Ti, it acts like an anode / cathode with the other metals it's touching. Ti becomes a sacrificial metal. Over time....

[@HarleyBeChoppin]

sounds like Cleets possibly using the same setup as mullet...if so its good to have it that way for spare parts etc.

[@Michael666CA]

I'm guessing PRO LINES HEMI since it is rated @ 5200 at the hubs. And the SMX is Rated 4500+ , and they keep saying 5,000 horsepower.

[@CJRaceCars]

🤔

[@Kenneth65]

@@Michael666CA Tom Bailey has went 5.77 @ 259 with a SMX, so Cleets car shouldn't have no problems running the 5's he wants.

[@Michael666CA]

​@@Kenneth65Then what's the big secret then. Figured that man he was going with someone else.

[@Kenneth65]

@@Michael666CA While I'm not 100% sure he's running a SMX, Cleet knows how to keep people intrested (watching).

[@sabbath4130ify]

I always wondered the cost difference in free hand welding titanium with the larger cups cups that require 25+ cfm or a purge chamber since it seems most of your regular titanium parts are relatively small. Have you tried one before?

[@CJRaceCars]

We haven’t tried it. It’s hard with how small some of the parts are

[@billdgen116]

If you want to go fast an safe buy the good stuff. Thanks for sharing. Thank you to all are fallen heros if it wasn't for you we could not do this. 🙏🇺🇸

[@CJRaceCars]

🙏🏻🇺🇸

[@rawcan]

Great video Cameron. Enjoy the technical stuff you are sharing. Beautiful work!

[@CJRaceCars]

Thank you!

[@Transparencies-EST.1787]

Titanium tubes are great to use it, its the ninth most abundant element in the earth's crust and the seventh most abundant metal. Its low density, slightly over half that of steel, and its high strength combination is the reason for the metals growing preference in both military and commercial aircraft.

[@CJRaceCars]

That’s cool I didn’t know that.

[@cplhicks2179]

Heard Titanium is not good for where it would get very hot like in an exhaust and have a lot of heat/cold cycles as it can get brittle compared to stainless steel. Is this true?

[@Dave-gf3kd]

Same..ended up here because of the Cletus car, but I’ll stay because it’s educational, and no BS

[@TheKanglor]

Man I remember that Scion build, that thing was mint! I always wanted to see it being raced, and maybe I've just never checked the right channels, but never seen it since it left your shop.

[@CJRaceCars]

It’s raced a few times. It has been 5.80s at 250mph.

[@vehdynam]

Straight forward information ; much appreciated.

[@l8tapex]

I need fro my SCCA Stang structure...... but. How to encapsulate to weld... I would love to see that.TKS for the content

[@montestu5502]

Titanium was a big thing in bicycling 40+ years ago when I was a kid.

[@CJRaceCars]

Some of these guys building titanium bikes now are insane at it. Super nice.

[@thesquirrelchroniclesakare7808]

I personally have 0 doubts about your program and the titanium ! You build some of the best shit out there if not the best and Cleeter wouldn’t be there if you didn’t ! Nice job Cameron

[@CJRaceCars]

🙏🏻💪🏻

[@kh40yr]

The cost is machining it. You have to crank your CNC or ?? up to top speed and use the sharpest cutter you have, and drive the cutter into the material at a ungodly feed rate. If you don't, it will instantly work harden the titanium with a slow cut and just immediately wipe out the cutter. Machining is the cost.

[@brad5085]

Hey Cameron, Idk if you remember or not, but hammer concepts make a chassis with carbon fiber tubes for the frame. Would that be less cost-effective and weigh less compared to titanium. I know that carbon fiber tubes habmt been tested but just wondering

[@Notasheepleandneverwillbe]

I had a titanium mountain bike frame at one point , it was featherlite even compared to aluminum .

[@CJRaceCars]

The bike frames are really cool.

[@mastersonbat8633]

Awesome engineering and you are amazing at explaining the key details

[@ryanlovins1607]

What are the car/bodies that you guys usually build?

[@GRPABT1]

Titanium has been used in mountain bikes for years, along with just about every other material. The problems I've seen with Ti is fatigue cracks. It's extremely strong but if it flexes, eventually it will crack.

[@CJRaceCars]

Yes absolutely that’s why it can only be used in certain applications on the cars

[@GRPABT1]

@@CJRaceCars which makes sense to me. Honestly I don't understand why they use the stuff for mountain bike frames when they're always going to flex 🤷🏻‍♂️