The Truth Behind The Update That "Killed" RuneScape

[@ColonelloRS]

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[@paigesowell8651]

Stop promoting finasteride to people. Research your sponsors bruh. That shit causes Erectile Dysfunction in young men - and is the ONLY compound included that is proven to reverse hair loss. The rest is full blown gimmick. You’re HURTING your viewers.

[@spiritofnex]

@@paigesowell8651 What's the name of the compound, and what's the percentage of people who get ED from said compound?

[@ColonelloRS]

@Nope Nope Hey thanks for the comment! Sorry to hear you dislike the sponsor but I did quite a bit of research before taking the sponsorship. As with all medications there can be side effects. From what I remember the FDA said that it’s very rare with finasteride. I’ve used their products before and have never had any issues. I watched unbiased reviews, looked in to what the FDA said, and watched sponsorships from other much larger creators like H3 and Phillip DeFranco. I would never want to mislead my community or put their health at risk. :)

[@brandonmunsen6035]

I personally think its a little scummy to advertise this. 1 It doesn't work. 2 Youre preying on ppl who are potentially desperate. Noone wants to lose their hair but noone wants false hope that can harm either.

[@ColonelloRS]

@John Hancock I appreciate the concern but from what I’ve seen this stuff works for most people. It doesn’t work for everyone, and isn’t meant to reverse baldness, just keep what you already have. I watched and read plenty of unbiased, unpaid for reviews about it.

[@Shuruto]

Lmao, you know the 13 year old players back in the day have aged when the ads are now about hair loss.

[@gapsta]

If only I saw this ad a few years ago, F

[@daleHarrison93]

well its pretty obvious theyve aged lol

[@robaldrich7399]

Odablock viewers lol

[@MmeHyraelle]

Was lancome makeup here. Edit : oh this ad.

[@DrsJacksonn]

Give it another decade and a half and all the OSRS players will have simply embraced their hair loss.

[@spiritofnex]

Honestly, if Jagex would have been up front with us about this, more people would have stayed. This is what happens when you get someone who doesn't understand the product becoming ceo.

[@RED89P13]

How’d u get a phat emoji in ur name lol

[@spiritofnex]

@@RED89P13 KZbin member thing.

[@RED89P13]

@@spiritofnex ah who’s channel

[@spiritofnex]

@@RED89P13 Colonello's

[@RED89P13]

@@spiritofnex weird I don’t have a join option for his channel

[@ErnisTheFirst]

It was such a downfall. They should have looked for other more simple ways to prevent bot accounts from purchasing membership. For example, email verification, max one account creation per day/week, quest point or total level requirement for new players who want to subscribe with certain payment methods.

[@ignskeletons]

It's stuff like this that has slowly eroded player's trust in Jagex over the years. It another cataclysmic update was to happen to RuneScape, I have serious doubts that Jagex would be upfront and honest with the players. I still feel that they sacrifice fun for profits when I see things like unnecessarily grindy or tedious Yak Trak challenges, weekly TH promotions, and an overall feeling that microtransaction content gets more dev time than actual gameplay in the main game.

[@poro3246]

considering the 'main game' has less active players than OSRS, I don't think you should call it that. But yeah, it feels like the passionate jmods switched to OSRS and the money grabbers/graph guys sticked to rs3.

[@Vulcano7965]

Funnily enough, I started playing just in 2009. So I never experienced the wildernes as it was and is now. But nevertheless it wasn't boring for me. There were regular, self-organized revenant hunts that started in the GE and were a ton of fun as a f2p account. The clan-wars and safe pvp was also still pretty frequently visited. Only after ~2010 these features were rarely used anymore and abandoned, alongside minigames such as fist of guthix. And even more so after the wildernes came back and all of these things were literaly hid in a dirt cave near falador.

[@partycakeboy92]

Meanwhile I never PK'd ever so I didn't care and just happily kept training slayer and questing. EoC ruined it for me though.

[@SamkoKalajdzini]

They fixed runescape 3 so much even "A friend" and many other osrs players love it now

[@belstar1128]

Yea the eoc was crazy one of the biggest mistakes a mmo can make is changing the combat system even if the combat system is "better" it turn's the game into a different game causing most players to quit.

[@spellswap]

Rs had 3 game killing updates. Biggest being removal of wilderness, then mtx then eoc.

[@SamkoKalajdzini]

@Ruok you prolly quit as soon eoc came and nevet gave it a 2nd try smh just pure hate

[@j3en534]

@@SamkoKalajdzini EOC completely changes combat and makes it both diverse and interesting

[@AngelFlores-in9vw]

Oda block clicked the link in the description real fast

[@TankedPk]

fast i said fast

[@ColonelloRS]

LMAO

[@paigesowell8651]

FINASTERIDE, the key compound used by Keeps and Hims, causes erectile dysfunction in young men.

[@flex2125]

are most rs players bald??? is that why you start off bald in tutorial island ?? LMAOOOOOOO

[@jerichojones2722]

@@paigesowell8651 ive noticed a trend in anti-balding supplements seem to cause some sort of problems for male sex drive. Its like the ultimate ultimatum. Do you want hair so u can get laid easier but not want to fuck. Or be bald, not get laid as much but still enjoy it.

[@razer0072073]

The nostalgia of those old runescape clips i can't man those were the best times 😭

[@teddricksmith3699]

Still are the best times

[@GradualHigh]

Yeah it was great having to spend an hour trying to trade 3 items to players

[@Litepaw]

@@GradualHigh It wasn't about the game, it was about the good times. Careless days.

[@GradualHigh]

@@Litepaw it's osrs, it's all careless.

[@galadriel9473]

@@GradualHigh ahh ye ur not an OG player u joined the game after g.e lolz

[@cancereverywhereigo]

I actually said fuck it after the whole “anti bottling” update and started botting myself. Not for money or anything, I really just didn’t enjoy the game outside of PVP and I didn’t want to grind stats myself to go participate in the gang war that was BH where I’d loose more than I gained. I quit soon after and got into private servers. Now days I don’t bot anymore, when they brought back free trade and Wildy it was well worth it again to play the actual game.

[@mmww_]

Same here. I ended up catching a 48 hour ban just before the release of rs3 then never botted again

[@MrFoxALot]

grinding is part of game, you're just a fucking pussy for trying to justify your botting.

[@sparkoceanic]

I've never botted myself, but if i ever get wrongfully banned, or jagex pull this sort of thing again i'm going to learn how to bot until i get back every single gp that's lost. It sucks having the feeling in the back of your mind playing a game ran by a developer with an incredibly shady past, and somewhat shady present. Osrs is a great game despite the company though

[@cancereverywhereigo]

@@sparkoceanic I think you might just have to let it go and give it a break or just not play at that point bro. You’ll just get banned again.

[@diosmios186]

I don't really have a problem if someone is just botting skilling skills and not farming gold or bosses. This is like my 3rd or 4th main I've had to restart so excuse me if I don't wanna put 1000 hours back into shit I've done already. Like I maxed strength 100% on my own again this time but then I said fuck it and auto clicked 99 mining(took about a month) and 90 mining on a pure/alt soon to be 99 too.

[@Bigj-bf4mn]

So the credit card companies got mad with chargebacks, sent in a shadow ceo to try and make $$$ ruined the game and failed and dipped out after 2 years....what dummies they got billions of dollars worth of think tanks and unlimited resources and had to drop their dumpster fire on to some random guy

[@trumpet12345]

When you can't collect, but got a cousin like spongebob's - the chum bucket just thought they got a gift. Only idiots seem like mastermind's of disaster.

[@bigbrisk8423]

Credit refunds? Naw back then we just "called home" from the school phone and got a mobile charge membership charged to the school

[@xlilnetx]

@@bigbrisk8423 lol that's awesome did that really work

[@rezzbuilds8343]

@@bigbrisk8423 sounds like a good way to get in a shit storm of trouble lol. I already had enough trouble at school

[@fluffypanda8287]

Wow, the part about the revenants popping up in the wild on a timer brought me down memory lane. I remember being a noob in the wildy and those things absolutely wrecking me.

[@blackghostcat]

That and the chaos elemental. Shit was horrifying

[@Itsbobbykyle]

December 2007 . Was the month they killed RuneScape . Here I am watching videos 14 years later

[@motaaaa]

The peak player count was sometime between 2009 and 2011 lmao

[@Itsbobbykyle]

May of been peak but the OGs remember the 05-07 era , I still remember on a school trip talking about you can build houses soon , coming out next week ! …. Good times

[@redchief94]

@motaaa player count during that time was mostly bots. Not players.

[@Isaac1995]

Runescape never truly recovered from this. Not 100%

[@hughmungus19]

Runescape has more players now than they did then lmao what do you mean

[@77794471]

@@hughmungus19 don't quote me but wasn't Runescape in like 2007 hitting 200k+ players online consitently. I remember a shit load of worlds would be maxed out at 2k players. Even now combined Runescapes only hit like 160kish at the absolute peak.

[@joshwright1938]

@@hughmungus19 not even close lol

[@rileysteele1311]

@@hughmungus19 👎

[@kevinschultz4518]

@@77794471 The numbers may have been around there. but probably half of that was bots

[@SubwayTutorials]

I miss old revs. Such a good idea if they actually did patrol the wilderness and not spawn in next to you, would be so fun to see nowadays in osrs

[@lifevest1]

remember my first run in with them. Sniping me from outside of my vision no matter how far I ran. My character stood no chance!

[@gapsta]

As a pker that played from 2003-now these updates were brutal, we made the most of BH but it was shit, when they announced the return of wilderness and free trade the scenes on teamspeak were immense we all celebrated like we had won the lottery lol I still have the recording its cringe af but very nostalgic.

[@Ttassin]

Dude thats insane what you said about the CEO from 07-09. I remember the entire start of the game being turned into a corny ass dragon mini quest instead of tutorial island and the entire time it would pop up ads to pay for membership it was so bad. I got sad even thinking about that shitty 2 year transition from 08-2010ish. BUT members content was probably at its peak for me besides no wilderness and the newer graphics sucked

[@RemcoBravenboer]

i remember this lol, that tutorial was so trash

[@connormcwilliams9161]

Woahhhh completely forgot about that! That was hot trash LOL

[@eliptats]

"he had never played the game and thought pvp was griefing" bruh .............................................

[@robinfrost767]

Meanwhile I'm thinking this video was going to be a out the EOC.

[@wavebuster61]

Truthfully if eoc/rs3 released in the state it is now instead of what it was it probably would have done a lot better. No revolution/legacy mode just made combat a chore no matter what

[@belstar1128]

Yea eoc really killed runescape the game was way more popular before eoc they where forced to make osrs because if they did not they would be bankrupt by now almost nobody played rs3.

[@mattparkin7224]

This was really the beginning of that period of change

[@leoni7649]

No one wanted EOC and they messed up releasing EOC in a very bad state. Not only they forced something nobody wanted, but they didn't even delivered a good content. Nowadays EOC works extremely well and I like it

[@Jacob-df5hr]

Bizarre they didn't just come clean about the cards. Credit card fraud and a building legal issue is a lot more understandable than how they actually spun it.

[@mcdonkey500]

Childhood is hating the free trade & wilderness removal. Adulthood is realizing it made the game better because there were no more beggars, scammers or bots. EoC was a worse update for the game

[@brosettastone7520]

You have a solid point

[@DustyTheDog]

6:10 I actually enjoyed "Rev Hunting" quite a bit. It was when you would intentionally run around with the goal of encountering one of these randomly wandering revs. I made quite a bit of money from the good drops, since not many were doing it.

[@Vulcano7965]

oh hey did the same! Never actually got a drop but the group effort was always worth it.

[@jamesray741]

2005-2007 was the GOLDEN AGE of RuneScape.

[@Ex-P.F.C_Wintergreen]

And that golden age was literally ended by the removal of wilderness pvp

[@jamesray741]

@@Ex-P.F.C_Wintergreen yep

[@s1ight]

It's interesting that Mod Ash created clan wars. I actually really enjoyed playing it back in the day.

[@Ex-P.F.C_Wintergreen]

I remember being 12 and walking into the Wilderness and a stupid new ghost symbol being on the screen. I called my friend to tell him wilderness pvp had been taken away and he didnt believe me until he logged in and checked himself

[@areyoulit4209]

One time I called one of my friends and asked them to call that number you used to be able to call to get a runescape membership charged to your phone provider. They was like 9 and had no clue what it all meant. I was 10 at the time. I imagine many other people used to call the number and charge their parents phone providers too. It's honestly the company's fault for making fraud so easy.

[@Chrissmills]

I remember this update, I was pking in edgeville on my 42 def range voider. Logged out and back in to this insanity. Instantly logged back out and returned a few months later to play castle wars, after that diet out I was gone. Came back in 2014 and have been playing on and off since

[@interwebspirate]

I love that Colonello gives us real content with evidence and facts instead of just schilling for Jagex like Pugger.

[@AnonNebula]

I'm loving the frequent uploads. Good Job Dude.

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you! :D

[@AnonNebula]

@@ColonelloRS thanks for checking out this comment, I've recently got back into runescape because of your videos

[@Bloodreign137]

Man trade limits were the absolute worst. I had been playing for a few years when that update released but it came out just a few days after I got hacked and lost everything. I had a good friend with a blue phat, 3a and the works who wanted to help out but was so limited. The limit was based on your QP so he was basically like “hey dude use it as a reason to start questing more. Every time we can trade again and are both online I’ll give you your max gp” so I started questing my ass off. Every 15-30 minutes a few times a day I’d meet them at the ge and they’d give me 15-30k whatever the limit was. It was such a pain but if it wasn’t for that dude I probably would have stopped playing after losing everything at such a young age.

[@rezarfar]

Before this update, think of Runescape as a healthy person with all their limbs and fully functioning organs. This update was the metaphorical equivalent to getting hit by a truck, surviving with no legs and having to endure 3 years of rehabilitation, then when you can finally walk, albeit with prosthetic legs, a company called EOC makes electronic legs for you that end up running you in front of another truck. Before this, the company was a family run business, then after this it wasn't run by the same family anymore.

[@squirrelm3195]

With the trade restrictions, didn’t they have item lending too? I miss that feature of the time period tbh

[@cancereverywhereigo]

That was a cool feature. I remember my buddy got an SS and let me use it like that when he tried to get me to return from RSPS to boss with him haha.

[@matthewmccoy7437]

item lending was dope. i remember someone lent me d claws and i felt like the coolest kid ever clawing people out in castle wars lmao

[@comyuse9103]

@@matthewmccoy7437 apparently lending dragon gear to noobs in castle wars was just a past time in runescape, same thing happened to me!

[@nadloes6343]

2:06 you just put footage of someone editing a rsps lmfao

[@ColonelloRS]

I was hoping nobody would notice LOL

[@ilikedota5]

@@ColonelloRS too late.

[@FustFPV]

This is the mandella effect for me. I swear back when they removed the wildy we all knew it was to try stop the stolen credit cards because the credit card companies complaining? It was all anyone would talk about

[@DeVoid1]

They did mention it, but not as much as the bots/RWT.

[@rezzbuilds8343]

I don't remember that part, just rwt

[@francisbalfour1243]

I remember when this went live, neither me or my friends read news posts etc, we found out about updates when they were here, anyway i was borrowing a sgs for a slayer task when this hit, fair to say my friend was livid

[@Regan995]

alot of people forget what removal of free trade brought to bossing with lootshare and coinshare you could boss with anyone and not worry about some scumbag running away with the loot

[@ianmurphy6903]

"Riots in Falador" I actually lol'd

[@RRJOfficial]

Don't you remember them?

[@ACGTime1]

Actually happened

[@sergiog8524]

I remember the first time I heard of them too I laughed so hard 😂😂😂 I legit thought they were joking and I went to check it out and they actually were hahahaha so I joined in on it, didn't even know what we were rioting about either lol just spamming "wave1:flash2:@@@@@" hahahaha NGL was kinda fun but I left not too long after, had some bank standing to do 😂

[@ACGTime1]

Don't forget the cannons!

[@TX_LoveGame]

My problem with BH was that it kinda took away the spirit of what made the Wildy fun to begin with, since it was this tiny little cramped crater instead of a massive expanse of the map. I missed the element of surprise, going through the wildy with clanmates and the panic of seeing white dots show up. Revs were a joke too; they hit way above what their CB level should be even if you had BIS gear and once you had a few mil to your name their drops were laughable. That other comment I saw is true; RS never fully recovered from this. I still have a vivid memory of my nearly-full friend list all being offline just a month or two after this update. IMO this felt like such a half-assed solution to bots at the time considering detection software was a thing even back in 07.

[@HelloImNoob2323]

Lol i think the most surprising thing is that this video isn't about EOC. Jagex did it twice.

[@MrPerson61]

Oh I thought this was gonna be about the EoC update that drove all the old players away and why RS3 still isn't as popular as OSRS. This makes sense too though.

[@C4_Anon]

I believe it took them roughly 4 years to revert changes that destroyed the game for kids, those 4 years most of us wouldn't have had to play past that because we wouldv'e been done given we'd already put in 3 years when the update came out.. think about the timeline, its like 5-7 years to complete this game, yet its been out and released again twice over 15 years... so everyone has had to, at year 7, restart, with rares being worthless, and being 4 years older, not having as much passion for the game, and then play another 8 years to complete the game...

[@C4_Anon]

but like, by the time you restarted the "new OSRS", you would have already been onto another game.. a double marketting scam, hey, lets restart it all again, run the game for another 7+ years, a third re-run of this fuckin pixelated scam in disguise

[@josiahbecker553]

Pretty sure the update that “killed the game” was EOC in 2012 haha

[@FABIOof119]

Not at all, they released osrs and there was a new runescape game for people that wanted it, exact opposite of killing the game

[@MyPupTobi]

@@FABIOof119 they didn’t release OSRS because they wanted to implement EOC; they released OSRS because the backlash from releasing EOC was so great. If 2007scape had not fallen into their laps, RS would mostly be dead in comparison. 30% of the population is on RS3; 70% is OSRS.

[@nomadiccanuck3165]

I'd be still playing today if I didn't have to ditch my 04 account to play on the true RS game. Just saying

[@Rooxie973]

@@FABIOof119 it was eoc that killed runescape

[@itzturtlexd1721]

@@FABIOof119 yeah MyPupTobi is right! I remember the time period in between the two. I was so sad to see what they had done to rs3. I had so many high level acc and didn’t want to quit but I hated this new version of the game. For some reason I can’t remember his name but a big KZbinr at the time (works for jagex now) proposed the idea of a old school rs and the community basically said, we will come back if you make an older version of rs. So nearly a year later, they released OSRS.

[@RunescapeGod]

These videos are like declassified CIA files, love the reporting dude

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you so much!! :D

[@TheBucketSkill]

They really are, jagex was always so fucking secretive and like just someone you couldn't reach.

[@adambentham4000]

The recent nerfs and ignorance of bots and the problems of duel arena will see a decline in playerbase soon imo

[@nox_chan]

yes

[@GopnikOSRS]

Let's hope history will not repeat itself on OSRS

[@ColonelloRS]

Agreed!

[@zezizarjaars]

Too late, GE is already there, just like all the monsters that are created mainly for bots. It's way more easy to receive ores or essence by beïng a fighter, then by beïng a miner, which is obviously completely ridiculous.

[@pyrobasplas]

You never know with Jagex tho

[@fica1137]

@@zezizarjaars there is no "miner"

[@h0lytorttu]

@@zezizarjaars osrs would be dead already without ge and those monsters.. And that ore thing is false

[@adam7802]

If none of you have listened to this, I recommend you go listen to the full interview. There is another one with the (former mod) Matt K which is REALLY interesting.

[@MrLinuxFreak]

I wish jagex would made a memorial day in osrs where the wilderness goes to safe area for one day and players would do a community event like there was in ice mountain if anyone remembers it.

[@wistrad]

Quality research, it shows and I appreciate it greatly. If you put effort in your videos like that and up it every time (always better than the previous video), you will dominate the viewership for those kind of niche videos.

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you so much! That truly means a lot :) I’ve been trying to improve production quality with each one so I’m glad that’s being noticed :D

[@osrsbeatrs3249]

“If there's one thing I could change going back now, it'd be that decision in 2007 when we decided to get rid of the real world trading" - Andrew Gower, 52:15 mark of the RS documentary “Now that was something that looking back on I think was the wrong decision to make, because the reason for it didn’t make sense.” - Mod Mat K, on the December 2007 removal of wilderness, 28:45 mark of January 2020 interview with Mod Shauny

[@F4rva]

Its so strange hearing this. At that time i was around 17 just playing the game without a clue that was happening behind the scenes.

[@juancastellon1637]

Damn I remember people gathering around the chaos alter in the wilderness to kill revenants. It was a weird time

[@daniel69]

Watching my colonello ello ello ay ay ay

[@guitarbass22]

Didn’t EOC happen around 2008 as well? Or 2009? That’s 2 game killing updates within 2-3 years of each other. Honestly, coming out with OSRS and adding more content to it is what saved Jagex from bankruptcy, imo. It’s funny/ironic how players were “bored” of early osrs, and gave Jagex so many opportunities to shut down the game, citing “lack of player interest” as the main reason...but that may have been their first step towards the UK version of filing chapter 11 (bankruptcy), and I think it was people like Ash who called them out on this and actually helped push content development forward.

[@StealJoe69420]

eoc was released in 2012

[@belstar1128]

No that was way later in 2012.

[@GoHardMang]

Mod Mark was just crushing big macs left and right while he forced EoC on all of us. Yelling at his peons to enforce the update while gathering him more food to eat. So much shame.

[@itr8247]

Lol you could get muted for saying markdonalds.

[@Blizo123no]

I joined during clan wars era. Best times i had. Glad i didn't know what i missed with of wildy

[@al-obaidli2105]

who else thought the video would be about EOC?

[@ColonelloRS]

I’ll probably make a big video about that one day as well :)

[@belstar1128]

I did it was the true rs killer.

[@warlockengineer]

Imagine going from CEO of PayPal to CEO of Jamflex OMEGALUL

[@CaptainJackedPickle]

That's what CEOs do they hop around every 5 - 10 years, the more experience they get, the more they get paid.

[@Shallaan]

Always awesome to see how much effort you put in your videos and it shows in the quality, much love brother

[@ColonelloRS]

Thank you! Really glad to hear that :) I’ve been trying to increase the quality the past few months, so I’m glad it’s paying off

[@Jasongy827]

Man, it’s so interesting. Definitely, If that’s the case, then we have to tackle bots, lures, scammers etc.

[@iFizzel]

It killed it for a couple years. Eventually most the ppl that quit came back. Including me. The real RuneScape killer was EoC. EVOLUTION OF COMBAT Or as some would say: Evolution of Cox

[@dimitriblaiddyd1845]

That guy with the boom Mic really loves his job 😂

[@dthwestcoastify]

worst bit is that if they had said what the real reason was a hell of a lot more people would understand the decision

[@PaddyRoon7]

Despite all the grief Jagex gets I gsnuinely love their design philosophy and dedication to the playerbase. Every single game dev has to deal with clueless upper management, I don't hold it against them.

[@mimosa27]

Is this a thing with game companies that are not independent? - That clueless upper management generally runs their own product into the ground? How can I not seethe with hate for them (upper management)?

[@PaddyRoon7]

@@mimosa27 Pretty much. Everyone hates upper management in video game companies, they're usually responsible for most of the idiotic things big devs do. Blizzard is run by their chinese overlords, EA is run by suits, etc.

[@comyuse9103]

@@mimosa27 you should seethe with hate for them, middle management and above in every industry only serves to hurt both the company at large and the individual employees. it is more obvious with games because they are an artistic medium and not just a product to sell.

[@AwHellNahhh]

6:52 Wait, is that a clip from Team Avolition?

[@thatoneguyfromthatoneplace9515]

The first update that "ruined" runescape

[@ursusmagnum]

The this time period is why I ended up leaving, I had been working and going to a trade school at the time after finishing highschool and barely had time to play. Well apperantly my couputer had gotten numerous pieces of malware on it, I hadn't played in 6 months because I was so busy but never dropped my membership and found out when I went to log in during chirtmas break that my account had gotten stolen and was permantly banned for macroing. Unfortinalty at the time they had no options for customer support other emails forum posts and mods kn Twitter, well the emails went unanswered the forum posts were deleted by mods and Twitter ghosted me too, so years of hard work and 99s were just flushed. I have picked up here and there for nostalgia but always end up walking away again, I have never gotten the sour taste of the customer service experience (or lack there of) out of my mouth.

[@CODzyzz]

dropped runescape in 2008-09 for prime cod years, only to drop cod as it got washed in 2013 to come back to prime runescape

[@ColonelloRS]

Good timessss, BO and MW2 were so perfect, then Ghosts came out and I went back to RS :P

[@KFC_Manager]

Based

[@belstar1128]

I hate cod but i wish i was playing wow in that time period.

[@rvaugh230]

I remember dying to those damn revs because I couldn't eat while frozen. It felt more like jagex was acting like a mafia boss telling us to stay out of the wild or else.

[@NL-hw4kg]

Best update imo. We all had a healthy bank no staking no fxking gambling and we were all happy and actually enjoying the game.

[@kevplescia4397]

PKn and free trade is part of the game. I agree DA and gambling rings are bad but pkn what got me in this game and free trade is nice when you got actual friends that are trustworthy

[@NL-hw4kg]

@@kevplescia4397 there can be pking without free trade. We got free trade now and there is not much of pking. Most ppl are too scared to risk anything because it holds real value.

[@kevplescia4397]

@@NL-hw4kg lol that is what is wrong with todays gamers. It is a game, yes you worked for the pixels but it is just that, pixels. I would argue more that pkn just gotten stale since it is who can get the better rng. I couldn't care about losing some gp bc I am having fun while doing so (just like everything else in life with actual money like going to the movies). The game is for entertainment, not for a living. I find the DA entertaining too but the problem is it does feed gambling addictions and young people don't need that addiction to start at a early age. Only reason I am against the DA.

[@ryanvarney159]

I think this is first time I've heard the pronunciation of your name. Thank you

[@FartShartly]

Colon man good.

[@TheInspire96]

6:55 who's that guy on the left of Mod Ash again? Does he still have a youtube and work at jagex?

[@TheInspire96]

I remember him being super popular in the rs community on youtube years and years ago and i think i can still remember the theme song from his videos if he's the one i'm thinking about with the catchy tune playing while he describes what's going on in each clip

[@TheInspire96]

plz correct me if i have the wrong person

[@ColonelloRS]

That’s Mod Archie, his KZbin channel is Chris Archie :)

[@ilikedota5]

This is new? I thought the chargebacks thing was fairly well known?

[@AuddityHipHop]

And then they broke the economy anyway with squeel of fortune and never looked back since. RIP runescape

[@JohnDoe-hg9pj]

I find it strange that advertising company's advertise products for balding middle aged men on runescape videos

[@justinwalton1017]

What people need to u understand, and I get it economics is tricky asf, but as a company, coming out and saying “credit card companies are threatening to no longer do business with us”, even hinting at that, could have literally started a chain reaction that could have tanked jagex as a company. It would make them vulnerable to other hostal takeovers, stock prices could fall, investors would be more hesitant to support the company likewise for advertisers. So yeah they lied about it but they kind of had too

[@BelovedNL]

Sorry, the title (and premise) of your video is false. I was playing Runescape at the time and it was in fact communicated that the stolen credit card issue was the main reason. Throughout the whole video I was thinking: “but what about the stolen credit cards?”, how could I have known that other than from the time I was still playing Runescape?

[@Winterreise189]

Man that office is disgusting, I would hate to work so closely to other people lol. I'm glad my work setup is not like that

[@Piraja27]

wow, a video not saying eoc killed rs what is this sorcery!?

[@Blittsplitt5]

Don't worry he'll make one saying that..

[@Piraja27]

@@Blittsplitt5 he has done so before, I was just memeing

[@jp-sx2zi]

EOC killed rs2. I actually enjoyed bh alot especially in f2p.

[@zachb1706]

Imagine RS3 but with OSRS combat and no MTX

[@EliteEchelon338]

What about in 2012 with the update that really did kill RuneScape until in 2013 when 2007scape would release. I think that was truly the worst thing Jagex did, and the later result would be giving the players almost full control of what gets added to the newer old school game.

[@Whorror47]

I don’t know if it’s worth making a video on but does anyone remember when jagex graphically updated the gnome scarf and everyone lost their minds? Instead of the back sticking out it was flat (video on my channel) from memory they blamed it on a glitch and changed it back? I want to know why they couldn’t just say sorry we will change it back instead of blaming an item model somehow glitching to perfectly sit on your back lol.

[@Whorror47]

After looking around besides a few comments on the wiki I think I am the only one with any sort of footage of the flat gnome scarf

[@dandavidson4717]

@@Whorror47 See if you can get it added to the Wiki. I’ve been looking for a screenshot of the old Ghostspeak amulet, but haven’t been able to find one. Preserving history, even game history, is always worthwhile :)

[@OldSchoolDudeGaming]

Something people like to forget is the longer you knew someone, the more you could trade. So saying you couldn't trade anymore is very misleading. as a skiller, i was super happy about botters going away and thus skilling worth much more.

[@comyuse9103]

@@guusgeluk3693 yup, which is a really good system in theory, but in practice the limit should have gone away after a point. like, if you get the quest point equivalent of completing all the free quests it should be at least in the millions if not gone completely.

[@WebcasterProductions]

Says real word trade is an issue Literally trades money for treasure hunter keys presented by Jagex

[@Iwatchtoomuchutube]

Bounty hunter caves had clans the multi hotspot was in the middle

[@Hot_SaucyXD]

I feel like that hair ad was for Oda XD

[@serge263]

Mod Shauny, easily one of the favorite JMods for RS3. He was very beloved and we still miss him.

[@XDMAMODX]

i'd argue eoc killed runescape, at least after this runescape was still playable.

[@CoffeeSuccubus]

EOC didn't kill RS. MTX did.

[@belstar1128]

Eoc was so much worse than this update from 2007.

[@Tm-oe8ch]

Eoc was an update that changed runescape on how its being played.(a revamp) Removing wilderniss and trading was an update in an existing runescape that people liked.

[@dandavidson4717]

Maybe for you, but for a lot of us this is what made RuneScape unplayable.

[@ugabulldogs2790]

Being a player that has played off and on since 2002 I’ve been on the roller coaster ride. Removing pvp killed it for sure. I don’t play rs3 because it’s straight trash. I like osrs. Removing rev caves was a hit to pvp.

[@TheOisannNetwork]

I remember blaming MMG for all of this, but in practice he was probably just doing damage control. I was also just getting old enough to pay attention to these things as a non-native English speaker, so I am sure that didn't help his picture much.

[@TheBucketSkill]

Everyone hated MMG back in the day, don't worry about it.

[@Dplusithicus]

The thing is, Iddison isn't as much of a villain as Mod Mark had painted him to be. Mod Mark seemed to have done exactly what he had accused Iddison of in RS3: Pushing the F2P players to buy membership in one way or another, in whatever ways possible. Don't believe me? Iddison resigned in 2009, Mark took over right after him and left Jagex in Dec of 2014. The Squeal of Fortune was released in 2012. The Solomon's Store was also released in 2012. Squeal of Fortune was renamed to "Treasure hunter" in Feb, 2014. During Mark's reign; the most hated updates came out. The very introduction of these MicroTransaction systems were projects led by Mark Gerhard. In the professional development scene, we have this theory that seems to work in practice: If you **cked up, blame the guy above/below you. Take the blame, and you lose your job. Most of the things you hear circulating the web are, by definition, hearsay. Here are Iddison's actual words: "It’s not the game, the game is going to come and go....The infrastructure is the thing that can scale. Runescape has 10 years of good growth - but the infrastructure is infinitely scalable.” -Michael French on 18/06/2008 published on MCV/Develop. Mark's a PoS, and I'll forever stand by that statement.

[@kingjaries]

Before I watch it I'm guessing EOC

[@brandonmunsen6035]

I feel like osrs would have gone under if it wasn't for bots. I swear bots are buying more membership then actually players

[@austintruly]

congrats! you figured out the real reason they dont put any actual effort into killing bots and rwt!

[@damientreveton1568]

It was the EOC update that ruined runescape and the reason i quit, at least before that BH was packed, bandos rushers everywhere that you could kill with the korasi and still 300,000 players playing all the time.... Once eoc came out the game was destroyed because if we wanted to play WOW we would of played wow

[@advancegryphon5277]

guess I was the only one who was super happy about the wilderness removal back then.

[@plague180]

I was crazy happy with its removal

[@MadaRook]

the audio on your video seems really low, had to raise my volume louder than I'd like to hear things, and had to rewind many times. love your content :)

[@grimreaper686]

It's a shame they couldn't just put on the sale thing "No refunds" because of them pesky banks. It was like 8 dollars or something and they could have just changed all their info but I get it nobody wants a penny taken from them. Only ever done 2 chargebacks on my card and they were my fault for accidentally purchasing something expensive twice in a row, the one time ive had my bank account compromised it was only like 30$ so i didnt really want to go through a huge process and i just changed my info.

[@osrsbeatrs3249]

I'll never understand why some people want roaming revenants back. They were poorly implemented and not at all an adequate replacement / imitation of PKers.

[@Camelotsmoon]

I remember shitting on Mod MMG back in the day, I feel bad for it nowadays seeing how much he tried to improve the game for so long... as a player you really had no idea what was going on back then though, jagex was awful for telling us what was going on, and then they'd just do shit seemingly at random.

[@asiyaheibhlin]

"Quit and never return" Hah. They are just on a loooooooooooooooooooooooooong break. Once a player, always a player. I am still waiting for my old rs bf and rs mom that I had when I was 10 yeara old to return. Miss you Alinoma and Cwebb." 😂😂😂

[@midwest6126]

Idk u but we watch the same vids, thumbs up lol

[@gamewithadam7235]

They need to let revenants roam the wilderness again. I loved the thrill of running into a group and taking them all on.

[@dukenintendo]

And then dying cause it's a 50v1

[@gamewithadam7235]

@@dukenintendo Think the max was 8 at once.

[@rezzbuilds8343]

Yeah right you got your ass kicked