Combat is Finally Balanced in RuneScape 3 | 2024

[@Turpitud3]

I hope we get something to fill out 99-120 Necromancy now, looks as barren as 99-120 Invention was on release.

[@michelhickey5765]

that is for the elder elder wars

[@LeQPlay]

Ahh i am just wondering when Jagex will release last Conjures?? Cuz we currently have only 3 Active not 4..

[@thechinesevirus9628]

Yea fourth conjure would be nice im 120 am pretty pissed cuz now there wasn't really a point in going that far

[@1992Kingofyoutubable]

To really make it balance… just make the other combats the same as old necro… bringing everything to 120 with the 75 crit chance…. Man rs3 would have been doppeeeeee. Honestly they could have buffed the combat and defenses… like seriously. My opinion tho but I was ready for some real change but this feels… meh.

[@iFluffex]

Pretty dumb that they nerf the 120 skill because of their refusal to increase the level caps of original combat styles

[@Arcdemon44]

Having some extra crit damage was the only reason to get necromancy to 120, Jagex really does not know what they are doing. If the skill is going to stay a 120, the extra crit damage made sense, if not what was the effing point to begin with. I am trying to give Jagex the benefit of the doubt here, but they just seem to not have a clue what is going on in their own game.

[@matttamal8332]

Not too hard when you think about it. They removed it for balancing. Once the other cb styles can get to 120, the scaling from leveling will be reintroduced

[@Arcdemon44]

@matttamal8332 Necro is a combat 120, it would make sense for it to have a bit more power than other skills which are 99s.

[@matttamal8332]

@@Arcdemon44 In someways yes, but I would argue that necro doing so much for how easy it is to play is already enough to outbalance the og 3 styles. Anymore, and the meta will stay Necro everywhere

[@khrishp]

You take would make sense but only if you literally ignore it. Every other thing that happened in the combat update. Then again, I guess it does make sense for an internet comment to have a take that is completely ignoring every other piece of context other than the one thing they don't like, lol.

[@matttamal8332]

@@khrishp Okay :)

[@Nyx__]

"All combat styles are so balanced" *magic crying in the corner having to use hybrid armour, only to fall short compared to the others*

[@FNigslol]

This didn't age well. I guess that's ehat happened when people are so desperate to complain for no reason

[@xAzrael_]

@@FNigslolwell necromancy is still the best style by far but true

[@ownedclearly]

i dont know i dont see them doing 120 all styles anymore since they nerfed necros 99+ benefits i think they did this to save themselfs having to do it with all other styles making for a long and tedious way to find the sweet spots with all of them

[@ImReallyLazy.]

Theres no point since other styles compete so well now. Necro being 120 skill is quite useless now too.

[@ownedclearly]

yes but thats the problem releasing the first combat 120 to revert it to 99

[@L0rdskullz]

Or, now hear me out. They realized it was a mistake to give 120 benefits to ONE combat stat. They very well could have just removed it until they push an update to get all combat stats to 120. If they never do that, well it never made sense to have a single combat style scale to 120 from a balance standpoint point anyways

[@MegaChickenfish]

So many little things that hugely improve how the combat *feels* like the channel bar so I can see when I'm screwing up channels early as well as removing that delay after some that was gutting my revo dps without me even knowing about it, and hitsplats and such better lining up with tick rates and animations. *Genuinely the best combat update since revolution.*

[@SilencedRS]

They definitely added a lot of nice quality of life updates and it now feels like the evolution of combat is finally finished (at least for now).

[@wolfrig2000]

​@@SilencedRS it feels like it's destroyed, cope harder.

[@Silentwarzone]

Still wish that defensive abilities were excluded from global cool down due to their reactive nature during combat otherwise still feels clunky.

[@eyybabyj1397]

Necromancy will be the easiest to learn. Very forgiving and not too many buttons to press. Ranged will have the best dps. Meele best burst damage but most difficult with switchscape and mage is mage

[@esaunders492]

Honestly barely have noticed the difference with necro nerf did about 150 Ras kills I’m 120 necro with t95 armor and weapons reavers and jas book, biting 4 etc

[@bart5093]

its only a small percentage nerf for necro.

[@thechinesevirus9628]

Have you tried the grimoire since this update

[@Mysticmanaged]

Same, still pretty consistently getting my Seriyu 1 phases and I haven't noticed it at all.

[@DoubtsToo]

some stuff I agree with but no combat is very far from balanced, im guessing you don't use magic. At least from groups i've been in i was told they might nurf range from being too strong, we lost 25% crit from necromancy which was before the only actual reason 120 necromancy was worth getting besides 152 combat ( I also heard they added something to make up for it, but i don't know what it is). Melee is super strong which is good . But magic is not in a good spot lets be for real. Like it's useable but you be trolling to not use something else.

[@simptrix007]

I wonder how "T97" items are changed with hit chance changes.

[@IScreamedWolf]

I don’t think it’s fair that necro is a true 120 yet has the same critical strike chance as 99 for other styles

[@qprs]

Great overview of the update! I'm curious how methods will evolve as we use the new system more

[@Tobiasgram]

agree great overview, i think we will see more people doing necro hybrid/switching maybe.

[@jlayman89]

As far as I'm aware, when they are used optimal or close to it with bis or near bis, ranged is the best with melee following close, then necromancy, then magic. With ranged and melee taking considerably more effort to achieve those levels. As soon as you deviate from bis or optimal use, necromancy quickly becomes king again. It's easier to get close to optimal, and bis or near bis is much more attainable. I think full bis necro costs less than 1 bolg unless prices are way off what I think. Which this can be ok... only magic is a little shafted because it's perhaps as tanky as necromancy, but it's barrier to entry is a lot higher and it doesn't come with any real upside over necromancy. There's always going to be some imbalance between them and thats fine. Also melee should be king atm. It has all its t95s. So ranged being better is a bit problematic for future ranged content. Magic can be brought in line with theirs, so that's good. Also, IMHO, with all gear being equal, melee should still be the best damage at dummies. In the field, Melee has to be MD, and it takes considerably higher damage. These are downsides that need an upside. Melee can burst on demand, but that's hardly enough considering bosses are scripted, so burst on demand is kind of irrelevant.

[@ShockwavesFTW]

As someone who only has BIS necro, this comment is helpful. Melee and ranged immediately felt stronger, so it’s nice to know necro isn’t king anymore.

[@jlayman89]

@ShockwavesFTW I've already beat some of my PRs set with necro using melee. Feels good. Feels weird to be doing so much, but Feels good to not be using necromancy and not feel like I'm wasting time.

[@Highupp]

I recently started to play again after not playing for a while. I quit when torva gear was introduced. What’s some good gear to use now? I see so much

[@soloco]

Am I understanding this right - this completely ruins the purpose of the Double Surge?

[@StaticReed]

No, it means you can use surge while your currently using another ability. It still has a cooldown, double surge will still be very useful.

[@soloco]

@@StaticReed ahh okay! That makes sense! Thank you for clarifying!

[@StaticReed]

​@@solocoNo problem, it was pretty confusing for me until I saw somebody show it during the beta.

[@matheusfajardo729]

No it doesnt interfere with the utility of the double surge. DOuble surge allows you to use surge two times during that ability cool down time (which is about 20seconds). After this update, you can surge once (or twice if double surge is unlocked) in the same time spam, the difference is that you can do it while casting another ability, and not requiring the ability cast global cooldown (which accounts all abilities you use) to be ready for it,as it used to be.

[@jy5422]

Thank you. Just 1 question what use is double surge and escape?

[@khrishp]

50% increase in mobility and 1 extra chance to dodge movement related boss attacks.

[@Aupexx]

How do the hit chance changes affect the weapons like blades of avryss/shadow glaives? are they just t90s now?

[@jacobwright1279]

Honestly, I think it would of been a better idea to just double the strength of melee, ranged, and magic to make it match with how necro was when it came out. Even though we don’t have splashes anymore, and more consistent hits, I feel with 99’s+ overloads, T90 armor, weapons, perks etc we should be able to consistently hit higher than we are able to or at least me anyways. It’s constant 2-5ks, maybe 6 with a good crit, and 7-8k with an ult. I know I can be hitting more.

[@heavyiron3572]

Why did you say "Drama" like " Dramma" ? @3:20

[@SilencedRS]

Uh… I’m not sure… I thought about editing out but decided to leave it tbh

[@-FrenchToast]

but why put in 4x the effort and gp playing ranged or melee for +5% dps when you can just play necro?

[@fuckyoutubrforchangingthis]

I sold all my gear lmao, now I'm training necro with 3b in the bank lol

[@Calameaty]

Necro breaks the mold. It used to be high input=high dmg. Necro is easy for a lot of us and unrewarding/feels like cheating with a cheap unrewarding progression path. Also everyone has their own favorite style.

[@LGBINX14]

Melee, Ranged, and Mage are genuinely fun to use and you get some pretty busted combos when you pair them with weapon special attacks. Necro is just sorta a breath of fresh air and more accessible to players who are newer to the game or aren't comfortable with weapon/gear switching in rotations yet and that's totally okay. It was totally busted compared to the main triangle until this update however

[@reillybecker9855]

Necro needs the nerf but needs more variety in abilities and weapons. The developers even said it was their “beta test combat style” but they need to actually develop it now

[@GRIMHOOD99]

The thing is this is just statistical improvement and increased hitcap but necro still has much better quality of use and generally much more streamlined and even easier itemization. This update fixed the most pressing issue (which probably should have been adressed before necro release let's be real) with the combat but it still doesn't make three og styles more appealing to anyone who didn't liked them before. People who liked combat before necro will be happy for sure and for people who didn't it doesn't change a thing except non-necro pvm content might be worth doing again.

[@ulquiorra7446]

Agreed, basically what happened with this update is that switchscape is here to stay for the previous 3 styles (which i dont mind but switchscape becomes not fun when you have to switch at the higher levels for tedious things for example like ring, necklace, ammo, armor switching). I know you dont have to switchscape but when you are maximizing your dps and playing optimal there will be some switching involved. Your point about necro is exactly why everyone likes it. Necro is chill and doesnt feel clunky. For me personally the channel bar and the improved combat system of letting melee players move during channeled abilites around an enemy in a 1-tile radius without cancelling the ability was a great improvement even though that shouldve been released ages ago. Really simple things they fixed makes the combat more appealing like the revamped action bars, icon displays being more vibrant, better cooldown timer visuals on abilities, fixing some ability animations and hitsplats. They also made the animations much more vibrant for some of the abilties for all the styles where some of the previous abilities were soo bland. When you get any any new game the first thing a person always looks at are the visuals and rs3 looks good till you get into the combat. Like you said, this update is not going to just make everyone go back to the previous 3 styles but the devs did take a good step foward on improvement.

[@williewonka3574]

Combat styles will never be balanced until Revolution is equal to full manual. Revolution is part of combat. Make it equal or remove it and suffer the consequences.

[@ambiguoususername2966]

I hope you're trolling

[@RitzStarr]

Jagex nerfing Necromancy post 99 was the dumbest thing they've done in a while. Hurdur instead of buffing the original trinity to 120 they REMOVE content from the new skill. What a dumpsterfire team lmao.

[@ShockwavesFTW]

Yeah I don’t agree, anyone with an IQ over 30 knew Necro was WAY too OP. You can’t snap your fingers and release 120 combat skills across the board, that’s not how game development works. They did the right thing by fixing the problem and then making other combat skills better.

[@BKBK-yo1zz]

Do you have any idea how daunting 120 combats for everything would be from a new player perspective???? They definitely made the right call

[@saikuros9438]

I can't understand you say finally balance except that doesn't stop you from going to farm Razial or Zuk in an optimized way or even completely break down? Now my question is like necromency is no longer cracking would you be able to redo Rasial est zuk without bursting? I find it very hypocritical when we took advantage of it

[@Kyzar90]

Which combat style between melee, range and mage has the least switching weapons?

[@matthiusatomfist1168]

You don't have to switch anything on any style. You only do that when you want to put in effort to do increased damage. Weapon camping damage is fine. You can do all content. Just don't expect time as fast as people who put in effort

[@WigneyR]

So there’s 0 point in levelling necro past 99 now? Devs can’t balance shit if their life depended on it

[@ronaldkapralov3156]

Necro made it so 3 skills were obsolete. I for one am glad for the nerf not only was it harder to get geared in the other skills necro was at the top and the balance was too uneven. Not only was it great in pvm and pvp it was also the easiest to gear.

[@dtaggartofRTD]

I could see the critical strike stuff being readded if they decide to take the other styles to 120. As it stands that critical difference was making the other styles entirely obsolete. I was surprised they put stuff up there on release. I'm in the camp that Necro probably should have capped at 99 on release.

[@matheusfajardo729]

Great update and great video showcasing it =) Even for necro users, some quality of life changes made it even better to use, despite the crit nerf ^^ at least in my testings on vorkath

[@redfinite27]

I like to use necromancy but I am not upset that necromancy got bit of a nerf, it made sense

[@benjaminhoeree7572]

Nerfing the bolg, making it so that channeled abilities get canceled by loading in another ability, range not reaching the 30k hit ever? U call all this an upgrade??

[@rekkitrustic2491]

Don't use ranged then.

[@anrs3153]

I thought I was the only person not hitting 30k ! I have maxed gear and still yet to see 30k hit . I dunno what’s going on but it’s RARE I hit 20k+, switch back to necro, hitting 30k- 20k+ and 17k constant …

[@victorrenato835]

Wheres da rotations guide 😢😅

[@vorago4855]

Necromancy is just a half baked barely usable skill which is likely why they allowed it to be released so incredibly broken, sucks seeing rs3 so dead knowing they genuinely thought Necro would bring a bunch back in it's current state.

[@joelmulligan8213]

They need to fix the 99-120 issue otherwise there is literally no reason to level this skill past 99

[@Spaghettiest]

necromancy is confusing af to me i never feel like i can tell if im doing something right or not. I hate it. I just came back to rs3 and im rushing 120 necro then never touching it again

[@jamestydawg101]

This came out the day I bought t95 necro gear lolololol

[@SilencedRS]

Necro is still amazing and arguably the best combat style still

[@jamestydawg101]

@@SilencedRS still hurts my soul. 😂

[@Flipaholics]

Very nice video man!

[@mathangel1]

Well bosses getting 1 hit isn't fun. Let me know when bosses are balanced with those tremendous buff and I may come back

[@mikewazowski9953]

I don't understand why they ruined necro let's Introduce a new skill then ruin it 3-4 months later making it dead content after this combat nerf I've left rs3 for osrs the mods and idiots in rs3 ruined the game for pvm th fact your justifying it shows your jagex lil puppy aka their lap dog

[@Aupexx]

Ruby bolts being nerfed into virtual uselessness kinda blows

[@jensv874]

sad but they need to fix more before i come back

[@bobbobinator192]

combats finally balanced, meanwhile, osrs is on year 11.

[@whynotp2p]

Where the game has 3 items ruling the game

[@01wolvesman]

So they fucked Range over?

[@SilencedRS]

Ranged was overall buffed and is starting to be seen as the strongest combat style IF you have all BiS gear and know how to use the BOLG. Ranged's rotation is much more difficult and complicated than necromancy but the DPS can be really good. Necromancy will still be the easiest to use and to obtain T90 and BiS gear making it likely the more popular choice

[@01wolvesman]

@@SilencedRS I haven't play in a few months, but I'll definitely check it out today that I have a free day.

[@Neji1984]

Range feels strong to me

[@Geo-Media]

Range is super strong out of the 3 original styles. Mage is meh, that one needs to be looked at again

[@raddog1478]

ofc someone was complaining and had to ruin it for all of us.

[@XJ9LoL]

Runescape is finally balanced! Ranged is still the best, but even more so!

[@thomaskeyton7771]

I personally hate necromancy i prefer range magic my necro is almost 99 i just dont care for the skill same with duengoneering skill its literally a dead skill compared to any other skill the only reason construction was revived was the fort building they added.

[@boxingking7]

Saw no difference

[@gabrielbernardes9808]

necro nerf wasn't this big, tho

[@anrs3153]

Shouldn’t even be a nerf when it’s a true 120 skill …. Making 120 the same crit as 99 makes 0 sense

[@ChrisHavok]

Was thinking about coming back, but hard pass for me. They nerfed the best skill in the game

[@SilencedRS]

Necro is still really powerful and the best combat style for most people

[@SplashAttackTCG]

this is runescape? I thought it was WoW.

[@911stud6]

This is BS tbh i just got back into the game and found my account was hacked. I grinded 99 necro over the dxp event and got the t90 gear and now its like wtf i should have just grinded range gear

[@khrishp]

This is the dumbest comment joining the hate train. You would literally not be affected by the crit change. And ranged gear is literally 100 times the price so you wouldn't have been able to grind it out anyways? If you were going to try to make something up you should have just said that I just grinded to 120 so that you would match everyone else.

[@911stud6]

@@khrishp not making up anything c**t look me up 911stud i def have 99 (now 100) also jagex gave me 1.1B back so blow me

[@wolfrig2000]

It's absolutely not balanced. For someone who made RuneScape their job you sure don't understand anything about it.

[@mattburland7939]

Is that Skyrim remix music?? Lol

[@DvdV1337]

Balanced? Necro still best. Melee 2nd, ranged 3rd mage 4th. Something like that.

[@xbant0895]

Yeah "balanced" meanwhile ranged and melee can hit multiples 30k in 10 secs

[@anrs3153]

Where have you seen 30k being hit ? I’ve been using it all evening and haven’t hit 1. A few 20ks but rarely. Necro hits them a lot more than range believe me

[@xbant0895]

@@anrs3153 look at rs guy shorts and the video about the update

[@xbant0895]

@@anrs3153 ranged can hit 5 times 15k while necro only hit like 4k 5 times, maybe 2 of those 5 hits get a crit and is 8k, the only time when necro hits 30k is using weap spec and it consumes 12 stacks

[@anrs3153]

@@xbant0895 you can finger of death twice, have death skulls going and do an eof / t95 spec also and in that time jaz can proc, it hits a ton of damage in the right rotation. I’ve not hit 15k 5x, I know the rs guy showed this, but I’m still yet to hit that. I think I got close to 14/13k x5, but I thought you could hit 30k flat with bolg spec, but I’m no where close to nearly hitting that in 1 hit like some people have. Unless there’s set rotations to make the bolg spec / sgb proc big crits, I’m yet to find out Mele out of all of them seems ridiculous, rs guy did 400k damage in a few seconds at kera …

[@xbant0895]

@@anrs3153 yeah thats insane damage, thats why the lengs are selling for 1.2b

[@My_Lacrimosa]

Ranged is still king, they balanced nothing, take this video down

[@anthonyaisbitt9667]

Combat ruined

[@ThemTwoGamerGuys]

Who cares still not going to play a game with zero content coming out

[@TFDowned]

Good for you bud!

[@Kyzar90]

Yet you felt the need to comment? You must live a sad life

[@typerightseesight]

I am bowing out of runescape 3 forever without even giving it a go I think. Hit chance is where food mattered and potions were necessary. I don't see any of that working out at all. I just don't.

[@hercules5546]

What do you mean? It is working great as far as I tested

[@LGBINX14]

Indeed, this is a hot take and I’m interested what you mean by this because the changes to the main combat triangle feel great thus far

[@lancebasco6938]

What's the purpose of end game player if you're still struggling to fight bosses? As a matter of fact, you should be using less food in combat the more high level you are not struggle even when you're end game high level character. Cope more lol

[@jlayman89]

Hit chance is still as effective as before though? Only now you don't miss a vital stun for a mechanic, etc. Food is literally as important as before. Potions still add similar effectiveness, just dialed back some. I think you're just confused about how some of this works. Because almost objectively speaking, you're not right about most of this. Don't play if you don't want, that's fine, but being confused about something and quitting due to that seems worth trying to sort it out.

[@typerightseesight]

The idea of food and herblore came with the original runescape classic that came with hit chances. It was something to do inbetween hits. Now its pure action they need to just remove eating for health and only give you something like in halo the first person shooter where if you go so long without being hit you heal. The way it is now they need to blend health with agility. the run drain. @@lancebasco6938

[@sabotagefate69]

Eh, i wouldnt say balanced. Half balanced at best. Range is still broken with no foreseeable fix in sight

[@hercules5546]

Maybe in the endgame. Me as a beginner / intermediate pvmer i would still say necro is a lot stronger then range or easier to use. I was able to beat nex with t90 range after the update, but with t90 necro, I can do it way more consistently and faster

[@PrincessAshley12]

with my full pernix and decimation with zuk cape and reckless aura, i am still hitting under 1k most of the time. If range is OP i don't see it, for me nothing changed, other than meele which is significally better but can't hit anywhere close to 30k even with tier 90 gear and weapons. Am i doing something wrong?

[@masengutormson2078]

@@PrincessAshley12 Yeah, I’m not sure what it is but I’ve been just trying out melee for fun. Got perked masterwork normal, abby scourge, and drygore mace. I hit 20+k easily and in a burst damage (that’s all melee is good for) I can hit 200k in 25 seconds or so

[@PrincessAshley12]

@@masengutormson2078 Thats crazy. My meele weapon is drygore maces, norm masterwork, berkserker aura, with zuk cape and i still only hit max 8k. Theres something i'm not doing right because I don't think I need a tier 92 weapon to hit 22k right? when I have tier 90's.

[@ninesehyper]

@@PrincessAshley12how are you hitting less than 1k most of the time with that gear? 😭