Console for Crossover || Adding Subs with No System Processor

[@DaveBode]

There are proper Butterworth and Linkwitz-Riley (LR) filters up to 24dB/oct in the X32. That's likely work a lot better than the 6dB/oct low and high pass filters. kzbin.info/www/bejne/aGKZlHqkat2fapI

[@AttawayAudio]

Great tip! Thanks for pointing that out!

[@jaimealves3742]

Amazing! I love these "problem solving" videos for non-sound-guys that gives us cover when we need

[@djjazzyjeff1232]

Switching to this method and getting rid of our hardware crossover makes me kick myself for not doing it sooner. It’s so much more simple. What an X32 is capable of for the price point never ceases to amaze me.

[@ajomoleoladayo9821]

Thanks for always sharing. You have been so helpful. Please can you make a video on cardiod sub setup.

[@justinfarrar4019]

THIS ISSSSS GOLD JUST PURE GOLD

[@dosbrosphotos.]

I love low end! Wish I could smash that like button like 1000xs

[@joshu3392]

Wisdom for living😊😊😊😊😊

[@carlstewart365]

I've been using this technique for many years, and I generally work without a system processor on relatively small setups. However, I avoid sending anything to the subs that doesn't natively produce low frequencies, which means I never send a matrix to the subs. On the M/X 32, I like using the M/C bus because it tracks with the L/R bus, and I assign only those instruments to it that I want in the subs (usually bass, kick drum, and keyboards.)

[@keks197474]

good afternoon colleague, your work on your videos is very high quality, merry christmas, and I would like to ask you to shoot a video lesson on the topic of compression and limiter of the bus master in live sounds and EQ room correction. Thank you very much for your efforts dear friend, this really helps many novice young guys))

[@omegaudio]

Another way this can be done is use the LR+Center In the Setup set the Mixer Panning Mode to LR+Mono and the M/C depends on MAIN LR Then on the M/C channel in the EQ add a High Cut say at 100 Hz In the Main LR add a Low Cut at say 100 Hz Assign the Sub Groups for Bass, Drums, Piano, Guitars to the M/C by pressing the Mono/Center button. Then as you raise or lower the Main LR the M/C volume will follow. And you have not sent your vocals to the subs. I have used this in our main sanctuary and it works well.

[@bjbaldridge]

This is how I do it also. Seems to work great! Makes it easy to control what is going where by using the m/c rather than a separate matrix.

[@johnalmaraz39]

This another way of doing it. But I think this only works if you are not using the matrices or if the matrices do not need a full range signal from Main LR

[@omegaudio]

@@bjbaldridge one of the things I like in this, is if you do not want something going to the subs, you have complete control.

[@joefickry]

hye.. if u use low in my syste.. how?? my main LR use mid high (FOH).. and the matrix use for low.. and the subs use at AUx.. its can?? i use SQ5 mixer....

[@bjbaldridge]

@@omegaudio agree! Makes it super simple to choose and control the amount.

[@MichaelVickery1]

Yet another solid video. Thanks. I am curious about what processor it was that failed on you, and if you have any preference towards a certain manufacturer? I have had to send 2 back to the manufacturer for repairs this year and re-work the USB driver on another one so that I could access it. Edit for typo

[@AttawayAudio]

It was a DBX driverack (model unsure right now), but it may have been a case of someone's knee inadvertently bumping buttons to put it into a different mode. I couldn't diagnose that over the phone on the highway, so we did what we did.

[@izzymyguitars22]

tell my best friend Jordan Peters i say Hi!! love your channel!

[@AttawayAudio]

Will do! Thanks Israel!

[@johnkasonga6634]

Thanks for the video. Is there a way to do this subwoofer setup on a Yamaha M7CL 48 digital console?

[@AttawayAudio]

Yes, it's pretty much the same. On the output channel EQ, there's an option to use HPF and LPF on the top and bottom bands.

[@johnkasonga6634]

I appreciate it very much

[@CEGryphon]

Like Chris Wakeman said, there's a better way to do this with the M/C bus. It gives you direct control over how much an individual channel gets sent to the 'mono bus'. Can I ask why you have a matrix for your mains instead of using the main stereo bus?

[@johnalmaraz39]

Hi Cale, I think part of the reason to use the matrix for the main LR outputs is to be able to do exactly what he is doing now (high cut & low cut filters) without compromising the Main bus. That way if he needed to setup another matrix for an overflow room, lobby speakers, etc, he would be sending the unaltered full range Main bus signal to those matrices and manipulating any frequencies he needs too in the matrix for those speakers to sound good.

[@CEGryphon]

@@johnalmaraz39 You can set matrices to be pre-eq I believe

[@AttawayAudio]

@Cale Griffin In another video I walk through the room a bit more - we have mismatched FOH speakers because one died, so I have an EQ inserted to compensate for one that's brighter than the other.

[@RevJorgeDiaz]

This is such a simple question, I'm afraid to ask, but here goes... In your venue James, the subs are connected to 13/14 on your console. We only have 8 XLR outputs on our X32 Compact. We do have an S32 stagebox with 16 outputs that we use for in-ears (4 stereo sets) and the main LR. (15/16). As such could we connect our subs to Output 13? If so, how would we route this on the console? Thank you for indulging my question and thank you for helping so well!

[@AttawayAudio]

Yes, you'll have to find it on the AES50 output page.

[@reyfrancistapugay3484]

Hi, im planning to get one of soundcraft ui24. Do I need a crossover for this? Thanks

[@dustinwilliams5399]

Hey I use my UI24 with this exact method he decribes and it works flawlessly, beautiful separation and lowend. Just make sure your matrix send is pre processing

[@74djrichard]

How about using the M/C fader instead of using a Matrix? Does it also applies since that M/C channel can be filtered also via EQ. And configured to as SUBGROUP (Automatic Post Fader)

[@AttawayAudio]

Yeah that can work too!

[@enriquerivera4241]

So you just connect your subs to your regular L and R and bridge them to your speakers?

[@AttawayAudio]

Preferred method is to have a system processor between console and speakers. Some speakers have that functionality built-in. If not, use this method and take an output to the subs and an output to the mains with the two matrix sends.

[@samueldelacruz3478]

Hi sir i all ready use x-over point in DSP.. is it ok allso to make a x-over point in a mixing console..? Thank you

[@AttawayAudio]

No just do it once

[@NhlaMac]

I can't send main LR to a matrix on a presonus series iii. I'd like to have the benefit of having the LR bus processing on the subs and mains

[@AttawayAudio]

I'm not sure why you can't send your main to a matrix on the studiolive series iii. When I go to mix select on a matrix, it shows the aux sends first, and then the subgroups and the Main fader "M1" on fader #21. Make sure it's up and unmuted. Though there are no LPF on the console to speak of, so you won't be able to do your speaker processing on the console.

[@LarryTheBassplayer]

Is there any reason one(guy who set up our board years ago) would route the subs through the Monitor Level Knob? It confuses me to no end.

[@AttawayAudio]

because he wanted to be able to twist one knob and kick it into overdrive

[@LarryTheBassplayer]

@@AttawayAudio CLUB BASS COMIN' RIGHT UP!

[@edmondmix3505]

Please I want you make a video how to do crossover one presonus studiolive Please

[@AttawayAudio]

You can't, unfortunately. No LPF on the board (aside from inside the effects units, which you don't want to use)

[@doublempro583]

Can you make a video on how to do this on the studiolive 32?

[@AttawayAudio]

I would if there was a HPF or LPF on the console's output EQs. Unfortunately there's not, so you have to approximate one with the parametric EQ. I haven't tested it to see if it works, but I can make the EQ screen LOOK kinda like a LPF 😬...

[@doublempro583]

So the question is if it works?

[@doublempro583]

And would you make a video on how to solo a channel with the send fx on the studiolive 32s?

[@YoshiaBarabha]

two channels on a single bus mix bypassing the main LR channels to a single monitor speaker only

[@blessedson69]

It's all about the low end

[@DavinPetersen]

When you get that right, everything falls into place!

[@kingsleyigwe952]

please make this video with presonus studiolive

[@AttawayAudio]

No LPF on the studiolive unfortunately

[@kingsleyigwe952]

@@AttawayAudio what of yahafa tf5??

[@titov7823]

This concept doesn’t work on the A&H QU32 😞

[@paolodelmundo4641]

Really? I have qu 24 . Can you explain why? I am planning to buy subs for our church and I want to know why this setup did not work.

[@AttawayAudio]

In the manual in section 9.2 it doesn't say there's HPF or LPF on the Matrix EQ.

[@DbiPro]

What Goes INTO subs.

[@AttawayAudio]

You can send your entire mix and use the crossover to separate it, and use HPFs on the input channels to help things not go the subs that you don't want. Or you can do subs on an aux>matrix. Send kick, bass, low tom, maybe pads, walk-in music, whatever you want to thump

[@davidhillsebimojohnson3066]

Good but I don't like subs in matrix. There's better method.

[@AttawayAudio]

I agree, but sometimes you've gotta roll with what's functioning at the time.