Consulate Class (Full Breakdown/Analysis)

[@jaydabbs118]

Fits like a glove, well done barry!!

[@sagesheahan6732]

Barry? Yes. All of the yes. Well done, sir! YOU HAD ONE JOB, AND YOU NAILED IT. 👍👌

[@MrPingn]

A classy and clever little work horse. I wouldn't mind being in command of such a ship.

[@GBRyker61]

Okay, I like this design. Seems like the next evolutionary design of the Miranda Class. Heck, it could even replace the Miranda Class entierly.

[@90lancaster]

There isn't as much of an issue of not seeing things as some people seem to think there is - there is plenty of on-screen info that outright explains quite a lot of it. For example the Fleet assignment in DS9 we just see one Fleet that consisted of a modest number of classes but not all of them - some are missing. Those can be suggested to be attached to one of the other fleets. This makes sense to me - they have their own logistics trail for spare parts and their own home bases and such so clustering them by that makes sense. if you don't see much of something there is likely a simple explanation. They don't all to have been destroyed or never existed in volume - they can simply be assigned elsewhere. Take the Norway Class - it's not like they all disappeared in Universe - they were just not used on DS9 - where as Sabers & Akira were. (I think Steamrunner too - but not much). There was likely a lot of the older ships killed by the Borg off screen and in the Dominion War but if they did eventually pretty much get rid of the Miranda by the 2370's That doesn't mean that all those Ambassadors and some of the other Wolf 359 types might still be around - but something like the Freedom Class just isn't suitable for some mission roles. The reason we don't see things much is due to the pretensions of story telling an availability of assets. We don't see other Conselations because she's seen as Picard's old ship - and also she is seen perhaps as unsuited for outright war roles - but that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of them doing cargo hauling and border duty and minor security work - they are even suited to both those roles with large cargo holds and excellent sensor suits. Likewise the Centaur class - not so much the cargo - but as an interdiction or security craft it's ideal. Oh and speaking of Planetary landing i'd suggest that the Norway Class can land on a planet too - from the shape alone.

[@Lennis01]

While it is clearly of the Miranda Class lineage, it is more than twice the size, with, presumably, twice the crew. Logistics would be a factor in replacing one class with another. There are also benefits to having a larger number of smaller ships over fewer big ones, depending on Starfleet's needs. Obviously, the Mirandas were kept in service over fifty years after this ship would have been introduced, so I don't think replacement even entered Starfleet's calculus.

[@alberttetley]

good looking ship good concept good idea

[@ImpracticalVFX]

Another great set of animations for this episode! I'll also second how refreshing/realistic/interesting it is to hear a fan-designed ship that isn't the best, fastest, most amazing ship ever created. Great work.

[@nadelius1]

This kind of thing makes me wonder why CBS/Paramount doesn't utilize the fanbase as a creative source.

[@Tech2188]

@Lady Wanderer they would not have to. just give credit. that would be enough for some people.

[@nadelius1]

Even so, legally all they need to do is to provide a freedom of use clause in their copyright license; kind of like GPL, but for derivative content. The logic would be that since you (the creator) derived it from their (the copyright owner) content, they are free to use derivative content... as well as allowing for fan fiction without restrictions.

[@nadelius1]

Also, they could have a wealth of content, that they could produce at a higher level of quality, flooding the fanbase with quality, money-making screentime, while reducing per-hour production costs. We win, and the owners win.

[@axiomss]

@@nadelius1 but ur dreaming tho, that's only in a normal world, the true owner & creator died so the owners now are just strange weirdos who have a particular religion ( satanism ) and political social philosophy ( liberals & democrats ) and are pretty much just trying to brainwash or influence us wit their weird politics or philosophies, They are doing it to every pop culture icon, comic books star wars practically everything on TV, especially the shows made for blacks lol, all u see now are black dudes making out tongue kissing and transvestites trying to become rappers lol

[@josephmassaro]

The same reason they slapped down the fan films. They don't want any misconceptions of who holds the keys to the IP and who is the authority when it comes to content creation. It's very bad form to have fans creating content that the fan-base likes more than the content created by the IP holders.

[@tempusedaxrerum3087]

Love the design Barry, nice work!

[@justinmurphy2227]

Quite simply what makes this ship looks so good is the thought put behind the looks! When something looks a certain way for a reason, it looks better! I don't know why but it does. Maybe it's because we have a definitive answer whether we like it or not. I definitely love hearing about its faults that way there's an explanation of why we don't see it or haven't seen it. I don't know why but for some reason this is the most believable ship in the Star Trek universe to me. Great job!

[@mariusmule]

What a cool design and a fun versatile ship. Thank you for the great descriptions guys.

[@tylerrea2529]

Practical and Impressive, Thank you - Another great video Gentlemen, Make it so.

[@TheSuperSnake313]

Great reimagining of the Miranda. Once again proves an old fav can be upgraded beautifully

[@MichaelSmith-pj6de]

Great episode guys! Kudos to Barry for a fantastic ship design!!

[@TBK5451]

This is a beautiful ship! I love the design and it fits the era perfectly

[@MaximumWarp2099]

Always loved the Miranda class, and I’m totally digging this one. Great design.

[@SkyStarNova]

Now this is more like it! The return of Trekyards to True Trek! Love that ship! Great design, awesome work.

[@SGUDistantHope]

We have lots of shows like this coming up! They just took a long time to get filmed and edited as they each have animations etc!

[@SkyStarNova]

Did you make the ship? @@SGUDistantHope

[@SGUDistantHope]

@@SkyStarNova Nope i'm Commander Cockings so i made the images and 3 of the Animations, Barry Chapman made the ship and is the guest on this show!

[@SkyStarNova]

LOL! Oh ok. Check your fbpm.@@SGUDistantHope

[@gyozakeynsianism]

Very cool, and I like the innovation around the deflector technology. Great design. I particularly like the unique underside view.

[@Jack_Stafford]

Barry is the MAN! Always enjoy his creations!

[@Gorandius1256]

I remember that contest on BCC. You all did great work on them

[@gethammed]

Wow, nice work Barry! I love how you thought outside of the box and moved the deflector. It makes sense the deflector could be moved, although I do wish you kept it red, the deflector is still my favorite part. Btw, you managed to make some significant changes to your ship, while keeping in looking and feeling CANON, something others (who I won't shame name), struggle to do! The only thing more serious business then you, is this ship, I love it!!!

[@captainronphillips]

That is a cool ship. Would love to see more lost era ships. Great job.

[@ionion2417]

I like fan designed ships as they fill the gaps in the fleet of ships.Also there is more thought put into designing them.I like this ship.Interesting concept.Sick animations.Well done.

[@aurorasozmara7260]

Beautiful ship!!! Barry, you did great!! And- much to my delight- it's one of the few ships which still looks amazing from the side while upside down- I love when that works out!

[@gregoryfloriolli9031]

I like this a lot. The Miranda Class is one of my favorite ships and this is a good update to that design.

[@MrKeech666]

THIS is why I sub'd to Trekyards! Keep up the good work boys!

[@thompuckett9547]

Looks like a well thought out ship. I like it.

[@seanoneill9606]

That's a very well thought out ship.

[@travelswithsi8932]

What a superb looking ship, Nice work, one of my faves from the Ent C era. I see it as an intermediate design between the miranda and the nebula.

[@marcushall6821]

That's a pretty damn good ship. I absolutely love the "missing link" idea to connect the TOS era to the TNG era. Well thought out process. Excellent job💪🏼💯

[@hughsmith7504]

This is one of the better fan made ships shown on the channel so far!

[@EugenioAngueira]

Love the design! Very well done and a worthy replacement for the Miranda class.

[@jamesmagill5433]

Nice design for Enterprise C era. Love the backstory behind this starship.

[@JohnDiMarco]

*clamoring* We want more Barry! Great ship design.

[@90lancaster]

Some of the Wolf 359 Ships were invented far enough in the past as to have been zipping around with the Ambassador. But there is a Teeny problem with them ; which is they tend to use Enterprise D style nacelles which makes the D's Engine template date back to at least the 2340's. Also I would say that the Stargazer is a Lost Era ship too (as might the Centaur be depending on who you listen too) - they certainly look similar era wise with the hull decoration being very similar. Oh and nice job on this it does well of bridging the gap between Miranda and Nebula. It's also a convenient size of ship for roles that the Excelsior class is to small for. If one pushed it back in time even earlier to just after the B was launched on could speculate on Niagra Class Saucers being a basis of a similar ship or other ships with less hull anyway. Same with the Stargazer it seems quite likely that a version of the Constellation exists with only 2 Nacelles or perhaps 3 Nacelles. One can easily image how the ship progression would lay out in a fictional expanded universe with the ones closer to Kirk's era using the A style nacelles and Saucer as a starting point then Niagra style then Ambassador style and then Galaxy precursors into the 2340's that used oval saucers and similar nacelles. I'm fairly comfortable with the idea that the Nebula started development around the same time as the Galaxy but sped ahead and was prototyped earlier. Though I also think the design stage was way longer than the ludicrously short one given for the Galaxy Class, a short time only makes sense if one recontextualises the Galaxy as a kit bash of the ships of the 2340s and of the Nebula - which isn't ideal for a hero ship to be someone taking tech they'd already invented and slapping a secondary hull on it. But if it was bodged together that would explain why the D never worked right and they didn't make many of them - instead of the pride of the fleet she becomes a noble failure.

[@jamiegray6931]

With the D style nacelle template it could just be that the nacelles are refit.

[@Riceball01]

I'm not sure that the Stargazer could be considers a Lost Era ship based on its nacelles. Maybe an early, early Lost Era ship but definitely not from around the same time period as the Ambassador. Both the nacelles and primary hull are very TMP in style, as are its impulse engines. I'd say that the Stargazer was a ship designed late in the TMP era, possibly one of the last ships of the period but still serving decades later.

[@90lancaster]

@@Riceball01 Yeah she's Lost Era - perhaps the keel was laid down closer to Excelsiors time but you have me wondering now - what was Picard doing immediately prior to the Enterprise D - as it's not like he stepped off the Stargazer and onto the D as They say Wesley was still quite young when his dad died and they imply that that situation was close to or even the end of the mission - so Picard seems to have some missing time. If One guesses that was say 11 years ago then that would put her end of service point somewhere between 2347 & 2353 so she was still operational years after the C disappeared and Ambassadors and Excelsiors are still in service in the 2370s (just). I expect every single Miranda got red-shirted in the Dominion War. So in the 2390's-turn of the Century - you'd likely have very few Excelsiors and Ambassadors left and their roles would be being filled by battle of Sector Zero Zero One ships instead.

[@m514r]

Great looking ship, it looks like it could fit in both the lost years or in disco .

[@Cyberwolfman]

Nice looking ship, even the name fits!

[@matthewmoss1589]

Good tea. Nice ship.

[@Tounushi]

She is beautiful. But the landing is impractical. Those struts would be supporting the entire mass of the ship and I've always had the picture that the nacelles are one of the more fragile parts of a starship.

[@robertcook5233]

Yea thats the only thing i do not like about her she needs beefier struts at lease by a 1\3

[@Tounushi]

@@robertcook5233 I'd have Intrepid-class-style variable geometry struts. They'd fold up when landing and have the landing legs in the hull itself. And at least six of them. Either that or abandon the whole landing business entirely.

[@robertcook5233]

@@Tounushi the variable struts seem like a good idea but abandon the idea due to the fact Starfleet didnt really have much experience in the tech due to the intrepid class being the only class with variable struts

[@bryanmcfarland967]

Hi Guys!!! Forget using structs. How about placing two beefed-up rings near each end of the nacelles, joined together with a little infrastructure, and allowing the ship to sit down on those rings.

[@robertcook5233]

@@bryanmcfarland967 them damned vulcan logic designs 😆

[@beejcarson]

Nice looking ship!

[@Wexizon]

I would love this as a model sitting on my shelf!

[@GeorgeNoX]

very cool looking ship and it seems like it would fit really well into ST universe

This ship would be an amazing centerpiece for a Trek show about civilian life and exploration of the federation and beyond. There are so many Trek stories rooted in military conflicts to last. How about the story of a protagonist that wants to see the galaxy but not serve in Starfleet. You'll need a good ship that's going places especially one that keeps the infrastructure of the colonies and federated planets flowing. You'll meet everybody and anybody on a trip like that and they could take you places the federation couldn't venture. Just bring plenty of latinum and a phaser. You could complete your heroes journey by coming back home in your own ship or die in the belly of a psychic pitcher nebula... thing. Take my money!

[@Isteak80]

Nice design and has a good "heft" to it; seems solid

[@bcluett1697]

I like all these Miranda style ships pretty much and this is quite good. I initially questioned why the flanking nacelles opposed to tucked under, but the landing features and terraforming function makes it sensible to have them out of the way. Lovely machine. Always appreciate nacelles with family lineage showing. I actually prefer the specialized look of the AWAC Phoenix pod. I think the wide nacelles help the balancing of that pod moreso than the Nebula.

[@jamescrawford8232]

Love the design, great work. Would love to see this ship in Star Trek Online.

[@cahlash]

very cool! great work barry!

[@kevindonno5663]

Nice ship and good episode i think i would like to see a upgrade on the defiant class

[@alancarter3142]

Nice looking ship

[@briankesterson4365]

The design is great and I think that she is a beauty. I just wonder if there could be a battle variant where the ship is inverted as that would place the nacelles on top. Possibly just roll the ship over to accomplish this and reset the bridge. Either way, I honestly like the overall design and I think that Barry did a fantastic job! I would like to see more of his offerings. Thanks again Cap and Commander for bringing Barry on the show!

[@isfj1009]

Pretty cool ship design. :)

[@TheMultiGunMan]

I like it. It's a very cool design.

[@richied238]

Barry, please do another lost era ship in between this and the Ambassador class size with a secondary hull

[@stevenmcgrath5114]

Love it a worthy successor to the Miranda class ! ! !

[@brentjohnson6654]

Great video. Love these

[@berthayling1032]

Just riffing on Stuart's point re: the length of the primary hull -- having a bit more of the general Miranda hull outline would also move the visual CG back further between the nacelles, so she wouldn't seem as likely to fall forward onto her "chin" when touching down. ;)

[@Golden_Spike]

I'd love to find the mesh for this class. I could have a lot of fun with it.

[@Thereal111t]

This is a cool looking ship. What are your favorite resources for lost era and tng era support for the fasa starship combat simulator?

[@tmseh]

Very cool design.

[@ROBBEAUDOIN66]

I like it. I imagine it is a platform that could have all kinds of extra kit bolted to it.......

[@ShaneAcree]

Loved this design. I always wondered what the Ambassador era Miranda like ship would look like. It was hard for me to believe only the TMP era version was around for 100 years.

[@chrisgurney2467]

Sweet little Ship

[@jodecideion]

Very cool Next Gen Miranda looking Starship! Would buy a model of her!

[@davidfigueira8648]

I've been a fan of the Reliant class and some of the variants shown both in the shows and films, and I can say in all honesty, that this is a great design. I wish Eaglemoss would take notice, and make this design a model reality.

[@MetallicaFan1442]

great ship design, id love a series of books, comics,videogame or show that explored the lost era in more detail.

[@SteinerArts]

Le 56% Ambassador Miranda 😉

[@kennieminski7080]

It's damn cool. Are there full ortho's of this somewhere?

[@kennieminski7080]

P.S. how many decks total?

[@KaosDX]

I wonder if there is a sovereign "miranda" version out there.

[@barryc1701]

Daniel Mays I had started a sov style miranda a few years ago but never finished it.

[@KaosDX]

@@barryc1701 well if you ever finish it I hope to see it on the channel some day.

[@TwistedSisterHaratiofales]

Awesome Design good sir

[@longtimber]

Fantastic Design 👍

[@xheralt]

In addition to the obvious Miranda influence, I feel that the combination of split rollbar and underside detailing also imply FASA's Chandley-class as well, but more compact (which is to say, not as wonky-looking)

[@HawkShark]

Does Barry take commissions for ship designs?

[@vason80]

I like to believe the reason that we didn't see the Ambassador Generation of ships that was built from 2320 to 2350 in the Dominion War was because Starfleet's shipyards were overwhelmed with reactivating the Refit Generation ships of 2270-2290 and the Excelsior Generation ships of 2290-2320 from the inactive reserve or "mothball" fleet, as well as upgrading the Galaxy Generation ships of 2350-2370 to be more combat effective, and finally with the mass production of the Sovereign Generation of ships of the 2370s, that there just wasn't any available capacity to also upgrade the Ambassador generation ships. So after deeming them unsuitable for combat with the Dominion, they were sent to protect the other borders of the Federation, which even without a major refit, would still provide a credible deterrence for the other opportunistic powers like the Jarada, Sheliak, Tholian, Gorn, Talarian, T'zenkethi, Ferengi, or even Romulan that might wish to take advantage of Starfleet's distraction with the Dominion War. This is my reason why ships of the Ambassador Generation of ships were not seen on the front lines.

[@QuantumShow2022]

Great ship! I've always loved the Miranda -esque designs. Is there a 3D printable model out there of this ship?

[@shinjofox]

Great design. Fits in perfectly. The only part that doesn't make sense is to pass it off to the civilian fleet when starfleet is still flying excelsiors and mirandas around. I realize you are inventing a reason why we haven't seen it on screen.

[@aels224]

Amazing work, continue like that. 😉

[@joshuafarrow9581]

How many crew members dose it carry

[@gyozakeynsianism]

I would have loved to see a comparison between this, the Miranda and the Nebula. Any plans along those lines? Maybe even Consulate, Miranda, Nebula, Akira ...

[@Matthew_Raymond]

We need a version of this based on the Narendra class.

[@FLAME4564]

no wonder Nebula ship designers were inspired by this Consulate Class design :3 and I can see the reason why they were. Since this ship is quite impressive with a Nebula style sensor/weapons pod on the rollbar.

[@mikep1592]

I love this ship as I love most ships with the nacelles below the saucer Section. But this ship is a brilliant and beautiful design especially for the time period that it is placed in. The folks involved with producing Star Trek could take some of these fan made starships and really up the ante. But that is just my opinion. As always, please continue making it so 🖖

[@Ostermond]

She's a pretty ship! And if it isn't Barry Chapman himself!

[@davidschroeder839]

Hey Barry build some more ships. Love this design!

[@stevedergamer5322]

Well done Captain, Commander and. Lt. Cmdr. 😉

[@l.t.6632]

Love this ship very nice

[@PsychoStreak]

Nice ship. Would like to see an Excelsior version of this (not the Centaur!) The bussards seem a little pointy compared to the Ambassador, but otherwise fine.

[@tzor]

Great ship.

[@Thbdtrj]

I want a model of this!!

[@jean-sebastiencarle9257]

Hello gang! Thanks for the show. @Barry Great work! Love the ship. Ever thought if making it's post Voyager siblings? Something tells me it could be very kewl...

[@DaisukeTrekFan]

Damn it Barry, good design, now go design more. Run Barry Run! Run to make more designs. :P

[@SGUDistantHope]

Runnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn Barry RUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@bishoppax9995]

Nice, well done. I think it would look better if the nacelles folded up at the hull, don't like the idea of landing on nacelles. Nice design

[@Uchilsson]

Great ship! I take one :D

[@simonkerr1899]

Is there a sovereign class variant?? Coni-Miranda, Galaxy-Nebula. That would be cool.

[@MrJcn89]

I really like this design! I would like to see a lost Era lshort range scout/warship. Kind of like a federation B'rel class. I'm thinking defiant esc role. But as a more traditional shape

[@MINKIN2]

That's a pretty ship.

[@dotmatrix7383]

Nice design. Looks almost like the fan designed Apollo-class

[@cowboyborn]

One thing bothers me about the story behind this ship. This ship was from the timeline between TOS and TNG yet this class of ship is retired off and turned into freighters and the older, less advanced, and less powerful Excelsior classes are still used by top Starfleet captains. That would be like the U.S. Navy retiring a Nimitz class aircraft carrier and still using a Pre WWII class Aircraft Carrier. As Spock would say, that is not logical. As well as the cheaper throw away design, that is not logical. The Ambassador was not cheap and even had an Enterprise amoung her after the retirement of the Excelsior Enterprise. This ship is a compact version (Miranda to Constitution) of the Ambassador. I see the Miranda, Nebula, and this ship as not cheap but stronger and easier to build of the designs because of the compactness. Love the design though. Awesome!!

[@Riceball01]

The producers definitely made a mistake in reusing so many TMP era ships on TNG, I can understand that during the first season of the show but as the show went on they really should have created more original designs. The funny thing is that for all of the ships from the TMP era we see throughout TNG & DS9, we seldomly see a Connie, not close up at least. The only times we see a Connie is during big battle scenes and even then only in the far off background.

[@jocax188723]

Miranda -> Connie Refit Consulate -> Ambassador Nebula -> Galaxy Parliament -> Sovereign Makes sense to me!

[@jayaldridge9520]

More Barry, More Barry, More Barry, More Barry.

[@Lennis01]

Very nice! Let's have Cryptic put it into STO.

[@steveorn5244]

I love this design. I always thought the Miranda class was the best looking ship in Starfleet,,, till today, I loved how the Miranda looked like a cut down aggressive ready for battle version of the Constitution class, I thought it got short shrift in the movies, Love this cut down battle ready lookin version of an Ambassador class ship. It looks even better than the Miranda did, Now here is where I lose half the room, all the pacifists are gonna get their panties in a bunch now. So if you are a socialist spaceman type, look away now. I always thought that Star Fleet would have a dedicated "war" or at least "defence" ship. Would we really as a race set out into space without actual dedicated combat ships? Especially after "ALL" the aggressive races we encountered in the Star Trek universe. Never mind the atmospheric ability and terra forming, cargo re-mod nonsense, And only 85 of them? If the Ambassador Class filled the need for exploration/diplomacy etc. Then this ship with those big cargo bays and tonnes of bunk space could be used to transport troops, used for rescue and evac missions and the like. So it can carry way more torpedoes, so why not a few more forward facing tubes? The phaser strip and super phaser top pylon, imagine a squadron of 3 of these showing on scene with only a small compliment for a crew needed to employ it, a company of marines and 4 small combat ships somewhere between a runabout and Defiant class ship. 3 of these show up and fire 4 small ships out the back that can join in the battle, talk about a force multiplier, if a Klingon warbird can do some much damage, imagine what that combo of federation tech could do to an enemy force? Anyway, that will never happen in any iteration of Trek as all the plot lines revolve around some kinda future world were everyone in the human race is shocked when other races want to do us harm....over and over and over, That all said, love the Consulate class presented here, warts and all. She's a beauty. (Are we still allowed to call ships she?)

[@gusty9053]

I always though that something similar could be done with the Akira components / look. Like a "modern" Miranda. The Akira never looked quite right for me. To bad i cant draw to save my life :).