Canceling | ContraPoints

[@ContraPoints]

ContraPoints is now a drama channel.

[@piepotatosandturtle2]

Love you queen

[@Xariks]

Exactly what I came here for

[@jacksonellis5865]

(drinks martini) good for her

[@karlo125]

The queen is back im happy with this even if im piece of shit im happy you are back

[@edunery]

You are beautiful. Você é linda

[@tsattolo]

When a series gets cancelled and comes back as a movie

[@ultralurker7579]

Cancellers: knows about contrapoints "I wonder if this incredibly abusive behaviour will become a contrapoints video... Not like she hasn't openly told her channel about the literal tidal waves of abuse she openly confronted for the good of all of us. This time she will kneel to us and in no way profit from discussing our insane behaviour" -uncorks gasoline and pours it onto twitter- New year's day. Cancellers :pika -pikaaaa

[@dudeman5303]

@@ultralurker7579 lmao

[@TheActualCathal]

Nailed it

[@legendofshaunesquire3014]

Cotrapoints is Firefly!

[@alexredfield1943]

Breaking Bad

[@PixelPlasm]

I don't have a Twitter account, so everytime I go on it says "Join the fun". It doesn't look like fun over there.

[@tommylakindasorta3068]

I'm pretty sure Sen. Joe McCarthy never recruited anyone into the anti-Communist witch hunt frenzy by saying, "Join the fun." Twitter: Worse than the Red Scare!

[@LasPhoenix777]

Same

[@Little_Kerbs]

It’s literally awful lol.

[@leahsander5490]

I read that line like those creepy propaganda lines in dystopian movies, you know? Like, a citizen of Oceania boots up their computer and it greets them with this haunting "Join the fun, citizen!"

[@johnbrownsahero315]

social media is anti social

[@smjaiteh]

How to Beat the System as ContraPoints: 1. Draft a KZbin video essay 2. Buy a month’s supply of liquor 3. Film yourself drinking from every bottle 4. Edit and release the video 5. Write off booze as work expenses on your taxes 6. Slay

[@okayauco]

oh yeah, a "month's" supply, exactly...

[@IchisePoland]

damn I gotta start up a youtube career

[@MCAndyT]

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[@terri8372]

So how does one get in on that strategy? Asking for a friend.

[@engraverarnold9416]

you win best comment.

[@KOLN555]

Broke: Die Hard is a Christmas movie Woke: In Bruges is a Christmas movie Bespoke: Contrapoints's 2019 feature length video on cancelling is a Christmas movie

[@coaxill4059]

I do always manage to find it in January. I wonder how many others there are like us.

[@DeadCanuck]

@@coaxill4059Weird, same😂

[@pallavibhardwaj9754]

@@DeadCanuck oh wow seemingly more than just me

[@Asdfgh-xr6qw]

@@coaxill4059 Interesting.

[@Vickyeverythingelsewastaken]

The ringing bells and plucked strings that she put to her Twitter reading at the 1 hour mark really make this a Christmas movie.

[@hambone4984]

"the people who cheer at your execution are the same people who cheered at your coronation. People just love a show." Can't remember who said that, but I feel like it sums up 'cancelling'

[@davidr5445]

@R H E A not OP but damn, I should really give those books a try.

[@gummywormjim]

I like to think of it like a daytime drama. It's only cancelled until they go back to the writers room and come up with a better message. This is the difference between cancelled and exiled although I think some don't understand the distinction.

[@LoveLearnShareGrow]

Terry Pratchett from Going Postal. "Always remember that the crowd that applauds your coronation is the same crowd that will applaud your beheading. People like a show."

[@lodgin]

It's a little like when Jeremy Kyle got very bad press because one of their recent guest's death, suddenly it was like everybody hated the show, and it was almost expected to denounce it in some way. It was one of the more highly rated and watched shows on daytime tv and will likely be again if and when it returns. People don't care about the death... if they did then they'd care at least somewhat about the people dying on the streets in their own neighbourhood, or literally anything similar, but they don't... the difference here is that they get to feign caring to get their anger fix, they're basically getting off.

[@TheEtherny]

Actually, I'm convinced the people who jump into canceling barely even know about the receiver, I had no intention of looking more into JC's cancellation because I didn't like him in the first place, I liked seeing that little shit get a taste of the real world, BUT I'd get a hard time "canceling" someone I like because I saw them grow and know them and probably understand their decisions, had I watched JC maybe I'd be like "Come on! He's young and he's always struggling to find a bf! Don't judge him for flirting with a bicurious guy!" But nope, I didn't know that nor cared, like most people who jumped into cancelling him.

[@pythonjava6228]

Twitter: you are dead to us! Contrapoints: news of my death has been greatly exaggerated

[@Solanuma]

sometimes i can still hear her call us gorge

[@catrinaisahuman820]

The name python java hurts my soul

[@HiopX]

Contra: I got better

[@alyxmathews5469]

HiopX I spit my whole coffee out reading your comment

[@Apostate_ofmind]

scholars remain divided

[@Dumpknoedel]

I hate this. I want Contrapoints to explain to me what socrates thinks about top surgery or whatever but y'all broke her. Look at her. She's not even wearing a cut crease. How am I supposed to understand philosophy when I can see her natural eyelids. Ruined a perfectly good philosopher is what y'all did.

[@user-qv2qf1jk5o]

“what Socrates thinks about top surgery” - at this point, Contrapoints should be cancelled simply for not having already making a video about that, or at the very least, what Kant would say about HRT

[@athomassen3980]

My exact thoughts lmao

[@elisamac8227]

RT

[@RockZombieIAm]

"Look at her. She's not even wearing a cut crease" 😭💀

[@half-bakedthot]

PERIOD

[@Spooglecraft]

on dualism and essentialism: it's curious how a single "bad" action can make a "good" person "bad", but a single "good" action cannot make a "bad" person "good".

[@snekdood]

real

[@helenalovelock1030]

That’s so true

[@zizzy832]

yea its almost like people aren't allowed to have flaws and make mistakes as it feels like cancell culture jas turned into just "cancelling" anyone who slips up or isnt perfect rather than trying to cancel someone who has a pattern of bad behavior and shouldn't have a platform

[@j.o3014]

it's especially when people associate being "good" with things that agree with a certain viewpoint. i, myself, am a sensitive snowflake leftist but a lot of these kids on twitter definitely have not experienced enough life to determine that not knowing what to say and even what to believe will not make any "good" person become "bad." it almost calls for being safe in how we express ourselves and not saying exactly how we feel so that no one ever gets offended and/or invalidated. i do feel for them though. most of them likely find their validation from the online community so (especially someone like Contra who they likely look up to) expressing an opinion that can be in any way understood as invalidating will lead them to spiral. we definitely need a group therapy session after this lol

[@klockenberg2299]

I agree with how a single "good" action can't make a "bad" person "good", but what's true is that indeed, a single "bad" action don't make a "good" person "bad", after all it means their good far outweigh the bad, and it's unknown if the bad is just a fake/accusement made by those who dislike them to vilify them if they rub them the wrong way.

[@imogenduffy]

“I intend to live as long as possible out of pure spite” now THERE’S a 2020 mood

[@carlholm7867]

I'm doing that too! But to spite myself.

[@sarah3796]

Haha I loved that

[@1savage714]

She literally is a lifesaver...

[@bananamanchester4156]

Like honestly spite is the only thing that gets me out of bed in the morning- well, that and the urge to pee

[@missus2416]

fuckin RIGHT

[@GaryArkham]

We treat minor transgressions from our allies more harshly than open hostility from our enemies. We have to do and be better about this.

[@DobrieNIN]

Because we know who are enemies are and to oppose them. Betrayal requires more vigorous response to protect our community

[@Cecilia-iz6jt]

Amen. Whenever I see in-fighting like this, it leaves me feeling cold and sick. Trump got 63 mil votes and is the president, for fucks sake. Trans people and their active allies are in reality a depressingly small minority. We have such a huge fight ahead of us just to live in a society that even begrudgingly accepts us, but instead of organizing and marshaling the troops, we're mutinying, cannibalizing, and excommunicating each other? It crushes that thing with feather that perches in my soul to a bloody little pulp.

[@RustBot42]

@@DobrieNIN You actually sound like an Ordo Hereticus agent, and I don't mean that in a cool way.

[@nataliaalfonso2662]

It’s called splitting. It’s supremely toxic and abusive to the self and to those that love you.

[@StarryGordon]

-- There's an old joke that goes, 'When the Left want to form a firing squad, they stand in a circle.' It's not a joke, however, in that it gives our serious enemies yet another tool to use against us.

[@eduardodominguesfenner6277]

The fact that Abigail was trans all along yet was being accused of being transphobic for not cancelling another trans woman puts all of this in perspective.

[@emilydana5021]

Yeah I was just thinking this. It seems so much more ridiculous now as well

[@rennnnnnnnnnnnn]

@@yashthosar me too. i need context

[@rennnnnnnnnnnnn]

@@FriskyDingo36 ermmmm i literally have no idea how to even start looking for that sorry. there are 32k comments on this video

[@FriskyDingo36]

@@rennnnnnnnnnnnn it’s right above my original comment lol

[@rennnnnnnnnnnnn]

@@FriskyDingo36 thats not how youtube comments work anymore. whenever a different person loads a video, comments are loaded based on how they interact with youtube (ie the algorithm sorts everything). so the comments are not arranged the same way for me as they are for you. so the comment you are talking about has been buried at this point and im not going to be able to find it. could you just re-explain who abigail is if you know?

[@carlom3565]

Was it FDR who said, "The only thing we should Cancel, is Canceling itself, gorge!"

[@samuelbott6104]

yes, I do believe that it was

[@Taxrenn93]

you forgot the end of the quote "Hey how are you?"

[@albertgore7435]

“No one thinks I’m cute” You’re allowed to be wrong, queen.

[@blubistheword]

Truth 💜

[@THRAKORZOD]

💜

[@itsMe_TheHerpes]

correction - "drag queen"

[@Omeomeom]

@@itsMe_TheHerpes no?

[@laradominguez2376]

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[@QSReed]

I’m non-binary and I was a $25 a month donor. I want you to know I didn’t stop because of anything you said, but because I was and am broke AF. ❤️

[@junedanieltamor9071]

well that was transphobic...

[@thisphoneisbusted]

the jdlt wait why??

[@CatHasOpinions734]

A few months ago I stopped supporting several people (mostly the ones who had larger followings, including Nat, seriously considering going back now), and explaining that "No, really, you're amazing and I don't hate you, I'm just broke" is so painful.

[@QSReed]

idontwannabealoneanymore it’s a joke

[@QSReed]

Lost they’re joking

[@afish4086]

Back in 2015, I had a fairly popular blog. I wrote stupid porn scenarios and poetry and for SOME god awful reason this caused teens to reach out to me about their problems. And the issue was that I cared. I cared a LOT about protecting these kids. If anyone came to me in crisis, I would give them steps to make a burner skype account and try to help - sometimes this involved teaching them how to find local health resources, work through scary social issues, or just talk about whatever they wanted until 6am and they safely got through the night - then I'd immediately head out to work at my shitty cafe job directly afterwards. I like to think I saved a lot of kids. I can't count how many times one of these kids would reach out later and say something like "it's been six months since we talked. I'm still here." Or "things DID get better. I almost didn't get to see it." I only ever "lost" one kid. She was a stranger from scottland who reached out to me on my personal skype. She was the first kid to ask for a video call, and I obliged. The way she was typing made me nervous. She was already overdosed and dying in front of me. I stayed calm and talked with her while my boyfriend furiously researched in the background how we contact poison control in Scotland - hell, how we could even send help to the right place. She didn't cooperate. She was committed. The last thing she said was "I'm glad I don't have to die alone. I'm glad you were nice." It damn-near broke me. So now, DRAMA. This one lady (she was twenty six, I was twenty one. Idk) was pretty vocal about her disdain for my "self-righteous goody-two-shoes fakeness" or whatever. She heard from someone about my literal, current truama of watching a child die and then .. used it. She started a rumor that I purposely talked that girl into committing suicide. That rumor spread into this concept that I'd done this MANY times. People who I previously helped were now going "oh my god that could have been me I was one of the lucky ones" Once the DOXing and death threats started, I deleted everything. Just went totally nuclear. Maybe that looks like an admission of guilt, but at the time I feared that maybe what I was doing was well and truly dangerous to these kids, and it was the only responsible thing to do. Haven't really done anything online since. Best decision of my life to delete my blog and all my social media, though. Massive detox I tell yeah

[@Mage_Chartreux]

Ever hear the story of the girl and the starfish? The right thing to do is often grueling, pointless, thankless, and endless, but hey, it still matters. A lot of people are better off because of what you did, and even if they want to vilify you and lie about you, you still did the right thing. They might condemn you, but the truth is between you and the universe, and words and hate can never stand between that relationship.

[@stirpiano]

that's so messed up... you're a good person

[@ho-sette]

that must have been really difficult to go through I'm so sorry it ended up that way :(

[@chibifma]

You are a lovely person

[@sweenstaruploads-go1ml]

I’m really sorry you went through all that. I know I’m just a stranger, but I wish I could give you a hug lol I’m glad it never escalated for you even beyond how bad it got (i.e. “you engage with teens at all in life whilst you also happen to be a grown adult that - gasp - talks about sex ever!11?? p3d0!!!”), bc that’s fully where I expected your story to go :[ too many ppl out there like that 26 y/o these days. Sometimes it’s warranted, but I’m finding increasingly (online and irl) that people just really want a “justified” human punching bag. I get reacting badly to genuinely shitty behaviour, but if it’s just a matter of not liking someone, ppl just need to learn to be an adult and block them.

[@jackinbox9705]

I have to say that "Tati Westbrook" sounds pretty much like one of ContraPoints alter ego characters.

[@kaaydan9306]

Jackinbox9 definitely 😂

[@bobrolander4344]

And now they are trying to cancel Bernie Sanders for being semi-endorsed by Joe Rogan...

[@Sawdustinthemakeup]

Tiffany tumbles who? Fritz who?

[@mathieuleader8601]

a hoarder that collects tat

[@KelniusTV]

Bratty Breastbrook

[@johngleason1776]

Me after seeing the title and the length of this video: oh shit, we’re going there. Buckle up kiddies

[@do_care919]

Hahaha you said buck. Cancelled

[@Vztahovacna]

"Oh yeah, no way this is going to cause yet another overinflated shitstorm!"

[@mymathmind]

Gonzalo Cabrejas Moya You said he who shall not be named as well. Cancelled!

[@elephant3109]

what the hell? shaun released their longest video, now contra? oh yes!

[@tenormartin277]

Just saw that too. Better get comfy kids.

[@Tb40556]

Can we start calling this the “ContraPoints Christmas Special?” Like time to start a new holiday tradition

[@mortiferamorphasmus]

I was just thinking this!!! I am totally on board with this plan

[@LinkChow8150]

Yes

[@sphericaltime]

Awww, and the Christmas Special is even brought by a magical holiday Twink. ;-)

[@genericname1745]

Guys....bring out the eggnog

[@quills947]

This needs more upvotes.

[@eldritchbutter44]

As a almost boomer. You have shined. You have taught me about trans individuals. Fuck the haters. You are killing it lady. Keep up the good work.

[@niconine268]

True that bro. She is killing it. Natalie ROCKS !!

[@sierradelta07]

I have no dog in this fight. I'm a v. late 50s cis gender black male who tries to accept all people because I want all people to accept me, my brothers and my sisters. All that to say I learn a lot from your channel but suspect the people who need most to see this won't. All you can do is keep on keepin' on. Natalie for the Wynn. (Yes I am proud of that. Thank you hon.)

[@emma_maze]

@@sierradelta07 Excellent pun ^^ I'm happy you're here

[@FIRING_BLIND]

​@@sierradelta07 I am very proud of you for that joke 😂 that was a good one.

[@mailam8846]

just say genx, almost boomer sounds sad

[@SuperJuliemango]

This is honestly the most rewarding parasocial relationship I have ever been in

[@methodbriar]

could not agree more hahaha

[@hemantkarasala5767]

SAME! XD

[@slowbro596]

I have never cheersed/chugged my drink in a parasocial relationship until the end of this video

[@jellybean_91]

Oh, amen to that!

[@katk925]

This

[@leeleemerk7344]

Jeffree Starr calling James Charles a ‘danger to society’ was the funniest moment of 2019 without a doubt

[@FrickenDweeb]

I loOoOove how Jefferee Star accused James Charles of CRIME, then acted like a hero for "refusing to continue the drama by showing receipts," as though crime is just drama? And then he and Shane Dawson went on to use clickbait regarding the James Charles Cancellation to get people to watch a 2 hour makeup ad? And that shit sold out? Shane Dawson is friends with Blaire White by the way.

[@annacibiniak2268]

@@FrickenDweeb I understand where you are coming from but it's a little like what Natalie is talking about in the video, cancellation by association, we can't assume what another person thinks because of their connection with someone

[@stealthis]

@@annacibiniak2268 It is like the video, but it's not just 1 association.

[@annacibiniak2268]

@@stealthis I understand, my initial reaction to him being friends with Blaire white would be "oh no" but this video has taught me that relationships are often more nuanced and you can have criticisms with a person but still like them for who they are, maybe Shane hasn't been friends with her for a while, maybe he is friends with her without supporting her views? We don't fully understand and I don't think we need to lash out immediately because that's what people did to Natalie and look at the pain it caused her

[@claireteaspeaks461]

Minty Genius the video they did together is very genuine, she talks about being raped/her dads death, it’s really emotional and has nothing to do with politics

[@sammieq6728]

The next time you get cancelled & you’re feeling low, just remember- For every person at your digital door with a pitchfork, there are 10 people who don’t have Twitter or tumblr and don’t participate in the mob mentality, but they eagerly count the days until you gift us with your next work of art. Your videos sincerely bring me joy. Thank you for making them!

[@lovelypacific]

i'd say 200, not 10!

[@ashm2338]

Yes. I share Natalie with all of my friends because she talks about hard shit everyone can learn about. There are so many of us who support you Natalie, love you♥️♥️

[@Liquidplasticable]

That's true! I felt so bad for you because that entire time I knew that your comments were being taken out of context and given the most bad faith interpretations. I kept thinking to myself "Wow, why we do we cancel people who go out of their way to think thoughtfully, and talk about activism over relatively small mistakes? Meanwhile there are content creators who do not participate in progressive spaces and get a free pass for doing/saying things that are demonstratively worse, or actively promote bigotry." To me it seemed like cancel culture is on some level holding marginalized communities to a higher moral standard than it does for those with more privilege.

[@Gertrude-Intrudes]

I am one of those people. You are spot on, good point.

[@pandemisis3017]

26 year old boomer here. Can't figure out how twitter works, so second this comment.

[@naomilawson2752]

It’s scary how similar cancelling is to bullying. I was bullied and ostracised a lot in school because I was on the spectrum (although no one knew at the time), and a lot of what you said in this video hit home to me. I’d be fairly well-liked, then I’d make a slip-up and immediately be seen as the enemy. I was then seen as an evil pyschopath, and any attempt at apology, niceness or learning whatever social rule I’d broken got twisted into evidence of my manipulativeness. It’s a viscious cycle, that in my earnest attempts to rectify whatever wrongdoings I had supposedly done ended with my mental health being so badly damaged I became the sterotypical “I’m sorry you probably hate me” suicidal person - i.e the poster child for “evil manipulative people”. Nobody wins. All I ever wanted was someone to take me aside and gently explain where I went wrong.

[@MrsBlack88]

This hit painfully hard

[@kyrus4989]

I am also a neuroatypical person, and I actually had to turn off this video the first time I watched it because I was, at the time, being bullied on a whole new level. What Natalie said spoke to me so much it brought back a flood of terrible words that had been said to me. I really related to when she talked about trying to explain yourself only for it to escalate further. When you are bullied (or cancelled), nobody is going to give you the benefit of the doubt. Even your most innocuous statement will be vilified. I'm glad I am in a stronger place and could finish the video. It was quite therapeutic to know even people I admire go through it. I hope you are also doing better, and I know what it's like to be bullied and not capable of "reading the room", but it's important to remember that the people who bullied you weren't criticizing you because they had no concern for your well-being, and they didn't want to help you. They wanted to hurt you, so try not to let the things they said or did destroy you going forward.

[@morgantrias3103]

So correct. Hope you're in a better social circle now.

[@fruitylaura]

Ugh, yes. I’ve had this happen in romantic relationships a lot. I’m lately starting to understand that I’m probably undiagnosed autistic and honestly a lot of things makes so much sense now. Every time I dated a woman and expressed any sort of frustration, displeasure or hurt by something she said or did or even if I just voiced my insecurities and fears, it was always seen as me being manipulative. My genuine feelings and behaviours were always twisted into “Oh you’re trying to make me feel bad.” which quickly escalated into “You’re a manipulator.” and I never understood where it was coming from and for several years I even believed that I’m manipulative, because surely I have to be - basically all women I’ve been with said so.

[@user-kk2pc7ik7t]

I believe it boils down to: Rationalizing abuse. In ancient Greece people used to be put on a desert Island if they broke the rules. In group - mentality and group think can def become toxic.

[@amandareynolds-gregg5962]

Its super frustrating that there are people on Twitter already commenting how they refuse to watch this video in its entirety.

[@nelsonth]

Don't mind them. They are only exposing themselves as the true intransigents they claim Natalie to be.

[@FataliTensei]

Why should be required to watch almost two hours of someone literally trippling down?

[@xsouleaterx10]

@@FataliTensei my guy i hope you find it in your heart to listen to what someone else has to say before passing judgement. i know you can do it.

[@mikelmontoya2965]

@@FataliTensei they are not required to, but anyone who says they are informed enough to continue posting tweet after tweet about this issue for weeks even if they haven't watched this video on its entirety, is fucking lying.

[@allchannelsstarttiny]

FataliTensei 1:37:01

[@auloniad]

Alternate title: Twitter Was A Mistake | ContraPoints

[@MrBobopsp]

Why i dont have a twitter

[@johanjarvinen]

All of the internet has been increasingly becoming a mistake over the past 20 years. Baffling really.

[@legendaryboss54]

Johan Järvinen funny because it was mistake from the beginning

[@R3GARnator]

It's nothing but gossip, no message is enhanced by being forcibly shortened.

[@smjaiteh]

Anyone who thought any good ideas could be spread in an environment where millions of people can only talk to each other with only 140 characters has never had a good idea.

[@paranoid090]

"This is not really the most feminine moment for me" *chugging alcohol alone while wearing a sweater in front of a pile of trash* I dunno, seems pretty feminine to me, yo.

[@Sableagle]

"Chugging alcohol alone while wearing a sweater in front of a pile of trash" also sounds strangely like a work Christmas party.

[@antoninasavinova5633]

Full on Bridget Jones :)

[@af2313]

Awww look at the losers attempting to troll, off you fuck, losers 💅🏻

[@kalebh3419]

@@alexanderdempsey9424 weeaak, y'all gotta find a new creative way to troll, this is so tried and unbelievable these days lol

[@willowashe]

I call this “Tuesday”.

[@pianist1413]

The fact that both James Charles and Buck Angel got worse after this date and the video still holds up this well is remarkable.

[@jadenjerries2094]

oh, did they? can you give me some tea?

[@SolasLupum]

Buck Angel was one of several trans men who released a document about how they had a valid medical condition whereas other trans men and all trans women are just fetishistic perverts. So overall not a good look, basically the caricature Natalie has used Tiffany Tumbles for. So Buck is not a great dude for the wider trans community but as th original commenter points out, Natalie’s commentary still rings true despite the accusations against Buck becoming retroactively more valid

[@MarLuSpeaks]

@@SolasLupum Yes, and apparently James Charles sent some suggestive messages to minors. The video still holds up well though.

[@scream_kinh614]

​@@jadenjerries2094 James charles was outed as an actual pedophile with images and video proof of him sending sexual messages to many 15-17 yr old dudes in his mid 20s. Yuck.

[@dirtysocks12]

cos the video isn't about defending shitty people it's about how shitty people can be portrayed as a different or worse kind of shitty falsely via cancel culture and that it's important to view these things critically lest you end up turning against people who may not deserve it or become the victim of such simplistic thinking yourself.

[@ThePandaOwl]

I can't believe Natalie just canceled cancel culture, truly transconic

[@Oriontrollsftw2]

So does that mean we should cancel her for engaging in cancel culture?

[@Ttoby89]

@@Oriontrollsftw2 ow

[@magtak]

Such metatransness

[@Marqkus]

@PrettyNeckslashes Wow apparently it takes rocket science (I'm assuming that's not your specialty) to understand *simple wordplay.*

[@Deborah5000]

Transcendence achieved

[@hankschannel]

I'm sorry this has been such a shitty time for you. Thank you for doing all of the good things you do.

[@ramywiles]

It's really cool to see you supporting Natalie -- worlds colliding :) You both do incredibly important work, serving as voices of reason in what feels like an increasingly chaotic landscape. Thank you!

[@queenthinng4822]

Thanks Hank

[@HypnoLuna]

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[@cassesque]

*cancel voice* who the eff is Hank??

[@jamiel2387]

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[@jamesmclane6036]

“But I don’t think it feels like abuse to the people who are doing it”. If you find yourself confused about which side to take, just think about how hard Natalie is working to understand people who would never give her the same consideration. Beneath all the flash and glamour is a genuinely kind and thoughtful person who has time after time shown a saintly patience towards the wrong headed and misinformed and has demonstrated a stunning and humbling willingness to put herself in painful or vulnerable positions to help us all understand one another better. We are, all of us richer for her being here.

[@noricoco4695]

She's doing a lot more for progress than people bitching on twitter.

[@firstnamelastname-gq4qj]

@@noricoco4695 for real, i've learned more from natalie than all of the content ever posted on twitter combined by a long shot.

[@guest_informant]

Beautifully put

[@appletree6898]

So true. 💗

[@GrrMania]

Well said, James!

[@augustp7543]

I know this is 2 yrs old so you prob will never see it, but I'm a bit drunk so I'll say your "transtrenders" video genuinely helped me break out of some very bad mindsets i had about trans people. I was going through my "problematic internalized homophobia" phase (I wasn't fully out to everyone yet). I'd had some bad influences and tried to separate myself from queer culture as a part of some weird defense mechanism, and that video helped me work through those ideas and see why i was being hurtful and I'm thankful for that experience.

[@helens-u6606]

I’m just watching it now 😊

[@kcryrine5056]

same here :)

[@blush3790]

that video finally lifted whatever bs barriers I had in my mind and made me realise that I really am (gender)queer, that it’s valid to be so. I started crying. Baltimore stared into my soul and called me out for not being able to be as sed-assured in their identity as them. I’m genuinely at a loss as to why people see it as enbyphobic when I’m far from the only one w this exact story. It finally armed me with the arguments to stand up for myself and people like me, stuff I knew emotionally but I could never articulate as well as the script. Smh

[@danill5955]

I relate to this a lot , thanks for sharing your journey/exprience

[@wellbutrinwarlock]

Her videos 100% helped me understand Trans people so much more, and helped me remove all of the stigmas and stereotypes from my head. When my ex partner came out to me as trans, I immediately directed them to Contrapoints and it helped them immensely. Natalie is a national treasure.

[@GreatCanadianGuy]

Can we take a second to appreciate the incredible PACING of this video? That did not feel like a feature-length film.

[@gpapenburg1737]

It felt like a rollercoaster.

[@neckpeck2738]

honestly, so many long-form youtube essayists are so damn good at pacing and structuring that it puts many, many feature length films to shame.

[@NorthernStar27]

Yeah, what the Canadian guy said.

[@revangerang]

anxious dog she did say she had more she needed to talk about and would be making a part 2

[@Sprite_525]

I thought it was 20minutes, I had no idea!

[@ulisesguerrero1822]

Local woman literally too angry to die

[@flytrapYTP]

You mean *biological* woman, right? You forgot that important detail. Natalie is a fab biological woman.

[@scoreunder]

@PrettyNeckslashes get out of this comment section

[@elisamac8227]

Lol

[@Skelloween]

@PrettyNeckslashes a degree in science doesn't tell us anything about what you know. Your degree could be in dentistry of biomechanics for all we know. Even in bio, as I'm im, I don't know everything because having a degree is about having a basis for which to aquire new knowledge. It's shameful to see people using a certificate instead of an argument. Your words tell us that you have not researched this at all.

[@Marqkus]

@PrettyNeckslashes Do you have scientific backing for that claim? Because I have scientific backing that it's wrong and you're ignorant. Oh, and side note: science in general and the science of biological sex and transgenderism aren't the same thing. You can't pull an "I have a background in science" card, because it only makes you look not only ignorant but purposefully and biasedly so.

[@rickydrizzle9150]

2016: Quick 15 min breakdown of a nazi propaganda 2020: Contrapoints: Cancelling - The Motion Picture

[@Guppyg53]

2020 off to a start. What a strange timeline we're in

[@OriginLinear]

Colorized.

[@cool_sword]

2016: Politics 20something: abandonment of secondary, personal 2020: I am going to give my personal problems an academic gloss please watch my vlog haha this is important because it's happening online to me haha look a Spinoza quote this is theory I promise Breadtube is such trash I'm gonna go read

[@ZVlog1120]

@@cool_sword bad take

[@TheMadwomen]

Historical Music and Anthems-Remastered! Ooh! A very spicy bad take to boot! Let's see if it pays off...

[@DJarry394]

As a “generation Jones” boomer, I had to deal with 2nd wave feminism. I joined a feminist art group, because I felt I belonged, until I heard them trashing their mothers for working as secretaries. This was in the late 70s, and women still didn;’t have much of a choice career-wise. I finally realized that feminism as it was at that time benefitted primarily middle to upper class white women. I stood up to them and their cluelessness, and was shunned by most. As an artist, it did affect the support I received from the feminist art community. The difference was that I was trashed in the analog world. But I think it consistently affects my ability to exhibit, when I call out the TERFs in the art community. Oh fucking well

[@pampakes3340]

It was really unnerving when someone in a friend group of mine started a statement with "I know we're not supposed to like contrapoints anymore...", like, you don't have to like someone because someone else told you you couldn't

[@Cal6009]

I've said things like that ironically to engender conversation, I wouldn't say it seriously though.

[@penandpapercliche]

@@Cal6009 You better not misgender the conversation tho that'll be a problem XD

[@priestpilot]

Sounds like something out of Mean Girls.

[@alexrodia553]

Cult behavior, basically.

[@Zombiemahboye]

That’s surprising to literally no one. It’s obvious the people who watch this drivel don’t think for themselves.

[@alexisartfeild2807]

Natalie has thus proved she has more integrity, wisdom and courage than her detractors could hope for.

[@edmund-osborne]

@Anti-Federalist 1776 silence terf

[@deaniebeanie7974]

"Despite how I look I am not a LITERALLY goddess". Abstractionism: Contrapoints lied. Essentialism: Contrapoints is a liar. Livid.

[@TheTurbomotte]

How dare she betray us like that! 😂

[@rjill7000]

You deserve all the likes the internet has to offer.

[@wusashicat1]

Between this and Lindsay Ellis' video it seems super hard to be female online while also being on the forefront of Twitter. Love this channel!

[@KellyJoule]

"Ignorance is not the same thing as hatred. Not understanding someone is not the same thing as wanting them dead." That, I believe, is one of the main issues with the severity of online cancel culture and is not NEARLY addressed enough. Thank you for this whole video Natalie. As a nonbinary person, I wish you the best of luck.

[@otoyana]

Natalie made a very good job addressing psychological process of how cancel culture builds around a certain person. Nobody made the job better, than her. Most of the people are only whining about it or denies it's existence.

[@leahsander5490]

Thank you for noticing that! It's very important to draw that distinction! I have a non-binary sibling. I love them to death! But I've given them a lot of grief over a period of months because I did not understand for the life of me why my amazing younger sister suddenly wasn't my sister anymore, why I had to change the way I addressed them and why they suddenly presented in a very different way. It's just tough for people who aren't familiar with all the intricacies of "the movement" to understand a lot of these things. They're not yet part of mainstream society! Luckily, my sibling was able to handle my ignorance, we talked it out (multiple times) and I'm finally in a place where I can accept them as they are. Non-binary. To equate my ignorance on the topic with hatred is not only ridiculous, but could have actually ruined our relationship had my sibling done that.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

Or to phrase it in the manner of those of us who are PhilosophyTube fans: Some people are Arsonists, some are just Yer Dad. Be careful not to confuse the later with the former. Some of the stuff that's needed with the former are counterproductive when talking to the later.

[@leahsander5490]

@@ScorpionViper1001 Just because you made the same typo twice, I feel obligated to point out that it's "latter", not "later". I'll see myself out now.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

@@leahsander5490 Whoops, my brain must be damaged from the booze too. :D

[@arnoldkotlyarevsky383]

"Sometimes, just talking to someone with some patience and understanding is all it takes" - Natalie This sentiment is what brought me to your channel in the first place, why I have been coming back for years, why you have made such a difference in my understanding of so many subjects, and why I recommend you to all of my friends and partners.

[@KicsiFloo]

I was basically excommunicated from the neurodiversity community for saying the same thing. "How about we don't outright attack those who we don't agree with?" "Is this some tone-policing bs?!" "Seriously? I refuse to cater to our oppressors." (Not direct quotes, the comments were deleted.) I wish more people in these leftist communities were like Natalie, because I really need the support from those with the same mental health issues, but they're incredibly aggressive and close-minded when it comes to activism.

[@SaltySparrow]

same here.

[@ajaraks]

Natalie does a great job at this. I come to these videos to be challenged to think new thoughts and am never disappointed.

[@moonsaves]

100%. I knew nothing about the trans community, other than how hostile a lot of it is towards me if I were to ask. Nat's videos are informative and entertaining. It's almost like if people interact with each other like human beings then there's a net gain in knowledge and happiness.

[@KicsiFloo]

@@moonsaves *gasp* REVOLUTIONARY

[@felixn.burgos2340]

She opened the bottle using the lesbian solution. Foreshadowing

[@Vooblebooble]

Eeeeeeeyy

[@birdinacan]

Brooooo, how

[@wohdinhel]

SHAME

[@sicc9893]

Shame

[@kevinrose6277]

Social Media and Reality are two different things. Facts

[@cthulhucult3230]

I can’t believe I used to be friends with people who were actually like this in real life. Someone literally called me an “abuse apologist” for saying that a 16 year old having normal conversations with a 12 year old isn’t grooming.

[@GuiSmith]

As someone who had both older and younger friends in my teens, with similar age gaps and such, that’s utterly fucked up.

[@cthulhucult3230]

@@GuiSmith yeah they ended up pressuring two 12 year olds into fully making false accusations and then made me clean up after them.

[@namithacd5650]

@@cthulhucult3230BRB never talking to my 13-year old sister ever again coz I'm 19.

[@R-H-B]

I’ve been called a rape apologist because when my friend made a joke about liking Prince Andrew I told people to stop harassing my friend. I’ve also been called a neo-nazi because I listen to Kanye West

[@betty-gf2ns]

Same, I had ex-friends call me a rape apologist because I said that ASKING to kiss someone isn't sexual assault, when I am a rape victim!

[@sjcmoss5717]

"if I was a persuasive genius, maybe I could talk myself out of being cancelled" - natalie, talking herself out of being cancelled

[@no-body-nobody]

CONTRAception

[@thomase13]

@@no-body-nobody Amazin! XD

[@mathildavere8966]

As an 18-year-old boomer, I appreciate Natalie explaining internet culture to me.

[@aturtlethatisred]

Mathilda Vere that’s a delightful turn of phrase. Enjoyed! Thnx

[@Sorrelhas]

Ok This is epic

[@dafe480]

X2 I don't even have Twitter and I was like what?😂

[@odangoatama98]

Mathilda Vere my brother’s an 18yo boomer!

[@margothutton]

This comment validated me so much.

[@lousielouise8716]

Natalie doesn’t sell bathwater: she gives away the whole goddamn tub

[@Rissa_1322]

Oh THAT was the joke? Ngl it was pretty fucking hilarious before i got it too

[@danielshiao1853]

;

[@danranone]

Damn dope

[@ogsnoop2126]

Oh so that is what it is called...

[@danielstearns426]

Our bath water

[@issymf]

I've watched this a few times and it's so bizarre that these are Natalie's 'gotcha-secret-terrible-person' tweets. Like maybe they're tonally blunt or not worded with the care of someone defusing a bomb, but to find anything problematic in pretty much all of them you have to apply the most unhinged bad faith interpretations possible.

[@anneo8393]

No one excels at unhinged, bad faith arguments like the chronically online. Especially twitter

[@celisewillis]

That's how I landed on this video too, a few years back. I kept seeing people only on queer subreddits use "contrapoints" disparagingly, usually to many downvotes. I got curious and searched. Found this video and became a fan!

[@minni_sung9437]

I think this is another case of people needing to work in customer service for a year cus their standards will PLUMMET on what a bad person is.

[@narratornavigatorstoryteller]

@@minni_sung9437 honestly I think some of these people just need to live in the midwest. or even just visit for a week or two. like sometimes i see something people online get mad at and remember that i grew up in a small town in indiana where someone like buck angel is your only option for a public trans community. like sorry man some of us didn't grow up in Super Leftist Land. my mom is literally a nonbinary feminist and i'm sure you could find messages from me that look worse than these.

[@OncleClara]

@@celisewillishonestly I think so many of us found Natalie that way. I had a friend who went down the TERF route when she was having a really serious mental breakdown and her horrifically abusive ex became friends with a trans woman. (Not an excuse but unfortunately a lot of really shitty ideologies seek out people who are super vulnerable and suck them in, like a cult.) This was years ago and I was trying to learn more, saw some terfs disparaging Natalie, and some leftists criticising her. I watched her videos and just fell in love with her channel. I’m no longer friends with that person because she decided that me not being a terf wasn’t something she could deal with but I stayed a huge contrapoints fan.

[@elishasummers9517]

I love how you included the Queen of Hearts sweater as a nod to the impulsive, emotionally-oriented "off with her head," mentality of cancel culture.

[@adelef9984]

I interpreted it as an allusion to The Scarlet Letter, with a red Q instead of an A

[@kayhutto5065]

Why not both?

[@MrJesusisreal]

that was some good deep lore analysis

[@thetumans1394]

I thought it was just to say that Natalie is the "Queen of Hearts" (which she is).

[@monkyyy0]

.... is it not that she is a queen?

[@PeggyKoneko]

Rewatching this as a black woman, I find myself so disappointed in what the term cancelling has come to mean. I was so in support of this movement way back when we were calling for justice for the victims of Kelly and Cosby. Now all I see are Twitter mobs starting witch hunts.

[@willkersey7340]

I mean, yes and no. I'm not on Twitter, but I feel like the movement's initial potential still exists, especially on more, um, measured, platforms like KZbin. There's no reason we can't use the powerful public platform of social media to continue calling out abuses of power.

[@juneguts]

@@willkersey7340 Unfortunately, now even this usage of cancel culture (the one Contra uses) is weird to me. Because right-wing politicians and comedians are even further coopting it to mean "criticism". It's possible that the term itself is too far gone to come back. Even the usage in this video might be out of fashion EDIT: Well, you are right in that we can still "do" canceling, we can still have metoo moments etc. the term itself is what im talking about

[@beentherelovedit9150]

Exactly... can we all start a counter cancel movement already? Whenever we see unnecessary cancelling attempts, we support the person whose being witch hunted.

[@JohnSmith-ms4xd]

"Now all I see are Twitter mobs starting witch hunts." It was never anything else in spirit, only in target.

[@psychepeteschannel5500]

Oh well, that is the trap so many people in history have fallen for... That is why a lot of people warn against this. There is no "righteous lynching", there is no "reasonable mob", there is no "just ONE exception to due process". To do it once, for any reason at all, is to unleash a force, that noone can tame. It is only a matter of time, before it devours whoever unleashed it. Its making a deal with the devil for a good cause... There is no cause good enough to justify a deal with the devil...

[@MarikTheGentleDemon]

I truly love the line: "I won't give them the satisfaction of comitting suicide. I will survive out of sheer spite!" This might save my life someday, because the only thing that's stronger than my selfloathing and selfdoubt is my hatred towards idiots and my burning urge of revenge. Might be a dark way of thinking but darkness is an old friend. Thank you very much, Natalie.

[@RustBot42]

You're not alone in that, friend. I largely survived on spite alone during the hardest times I'd faced. Sure, it's not healthy, but when you're in the deepest rut, it might become necessary.

[@MrKoyama2004]

It's good that you can find the constructive in hard circumstances, but I do wish down the line you find more positive things to build on. Big hug and happy new year.

[@soaribb32]

Darkness is an old friend lol I love you Hey, how are you?

[@circleoffinnishjerks4982]

I feel this too. Spite and not wanting to hurt my loved ones are major motivations for not becoming (more) self-destructive. That and a sense of responsibility for my rescue cats and other pets. They are my babies and we need each other.

[@lordtugboat]

I feel this too. Dostoevsky (Notes From Underground) is one of my best friends. ❤️

[@maelstronando169]

"contrapoints more like disappoints" kills me every time.

[@mugwump9131]

“I honestly think that most of the James charles is a sexual predator crowd just wanted to bring him down a peg” cut to Shane Dawson saying James needed a slice of humble pie. The foreshadowing

[@useroffline9999]

Between that and the comments about the 2020 election, I think it’s safe to say natalie can see into the future

[@marshalinehamismother]

She also said that it was “organized from the top” lmaoo it literally was Jeffrey star got threatened and that’s why all of this happened

[@benjaminjackson9449]

KE Clarke I think we all knew this. It’s just that most of us were too clouded to acknowledge it.

[@thewhisper4269]

Now they cancel the cancelers

[@willisthrilled]

THE SIZE OF THE EMPIRE STATE BUILDING

[@robertblank5206]

So no idea if you read this or whatever, but you've been a bridge for me to even understand what's going on in modern progressive culture (because in internet dog years as a 40-something year old guy I'm somewhere around galapagos tortoise/redwood tree old). I've looked forward to your videos releasing and had been bummed out not to have seen one for a while. I had no idea the abuse you'd been suffering. I feel awful. I'm glad to have found your video, which the algorithm was apparently hiding from me. Anyway if you're looking for affirmation and people liking you. Well we like the heck out of you. My wife likes you. My 16 year old daughter likes you. You've done a ton to shape our worldview. You're important. You're smart. You're funny. This too shall pass. Hopefully this helps.

[@Kweerdaddy]

This literally teared my eyes up. Sounds to me like you have a wonderful family filled with love and acceptance and I hope you meet nothing but blessings together.

[@robertblank5206]

What was yours? I was curious but it was gone before I got to read it.

[@robertblank5206]

I'm not sure I track the logic. All of us are big fans of Natalie. We like her. She's good people and an entertaining creative. Certainly my daughter has embraced her own fashion sense and is having a lot of fun with it, but her life is filled with a buzz of activity from doing musical performances in sign language, to robotics competitions, to running lights on her school play to running an awesome D&D game. I'm proud of her and also, I'm pretty proud of Natalie too.

[@birdinacan]

This made me kinda teary eyed

[@birdinacan]

Your comment is nice and your comment section is wacko

[@BrunoSantos-sb6vh]

"Not really my 2020 vibe" What could possibly be MORE 2020 than binging alone on alcohol, surrounded by piles of garbage?

[@sofiavelardez2441]

underrated comment

[@TheAndreasf85]

We were all so innocent then

[@mattl1962]

Bingeing on the garbage AND alcohol

[@OEpistimon]

@@mattl1962 Nevermind that, let the garbage ferment on its own so you have even MORE alcohol.

[@Akumasama]

Nat was just seeing the future again.

[@juniperbough7533]

Non-binary checking in from 2024 - I honestly avoided your content for awhile after this all went down. I hadn’t seen anything of yours before and it’s not that I believe everything on the internet, on the contrary - I just tend to avoid things that elicits that sort of drama. When I did come across your KZbin, I think I *vaguely* remembered that something happened but couldn’t even tell you what it was. Google doesn’t even turn up much anymore. I went in with a little skepticism just to make sure we were on the same wavelength as far as values and didn’t see a single thing of concern. I actually really love your perspectives on things, and think you hit the nail on the head with this vid 🙂

[@excellentcloud]

🎉

[@pkbutter]

Guys, gals, and theys, we got another one

[@srensrensen7878]

next time on contrapoints: Natalie appologizes to Denmark after a month of angry tweets in a language nobody understands.

[@Lauraphoid]

Vi er sårede, nedslåede og uforstående

[@iwiffitthitotonacc4673]

håle gøl mandelhørm detersker ællesild

[@Yaratoma]

Hei sier du at vi nordmenn ikke forstår dansk? Hva har du å si for deg selv!!?!

[@egg5687]

Hun bliver for alvor "canceled" denne gang. Lad os fylde hendes Twitter-side med billeder af dannebrog, stegt flæsk og wienerbrød.

[@ahmadnoor2466]

Förlåt men Sverige är bäst

[@maximilianovazquez9988]

"Nobody thinks Im cute." That´s a filthy lie and you know it.

[@treysmith1551]

Maximiliano Vazquez I think I’m bi but Natalie makes me think I’m pan ngl

[@ratfuk789]

@@treysmith1551 how does she make you pan?

[@nootnoot630]

@@ratfuk789 exactly, like is it because shes trans? trans women are still women, not freaks of nature

[@highverbaliq1785]

Nobody normal does

[@ilyaaaaaaaaaaaas]

@@treysmith1551 Yikes

[@JAMINZADA]

“Created by Natalie Wynn and no one else” She didn’t drop the mic, she spiked it through the floor.

[@louisemerian3073]

I am not even a content creator, but I am beginning to wonder if the social anxiety I experience, actually relates to seeing people getting canceled like this. I am doing the essentialism thing to myself - if I make a mistake I have come to believe that I am a flawed and bad person because of it. Because that is how I see other people react on mistakes made by celebrities. I think it is important that we reconsider what effect cancelling has on the psyche of ordinary people as well, and that doesn't mean that we should stop holding anyone accountable, but perhaps we need to figure out a better and healthier way, not just for celebrities sake but for our own sake as well.

[@fightvale57]

The way people behave,the way it can happen to anyone, almost regardless of intent definitely effects the way that I move. There has been the creation of a panopticon and literally no one is safe from it. We're policing one another and anyone can be deemed terminally guilty. I realized this when I saw someone dogpiling a person who was a passenger in an uber.The uber driver made a video about something that the passenger was talking about on the phone in their car. This conversation wasn't in the video. The driver was hearing a one sided conversation and the video was just their version of the conversation as they heard it with a photo of the passenger. Soon enough they had found this passenger and were trying to get them fired. For a second hand version of a one sided conversation (which wasnt even that descriptive or damning).At that point I had to really step back and think 'if I decide to be apart of this,it is only a matter of time before its me'

[@CatHelicopter]

Real, I've never had social anxiety or a large internet following and ive had actual NIGHTMARES about being cancelled which usually end in me committing suicide in the dream. Genuinely such a terrifying modern phenomenon.

[@anneo8393]

@@CatHelicopterI've been having the same problem, except not as nightmares. Just thought spirals every day about every little mistake I've made and what would happen if I got canceled over it and how every single one would end with me totally isolating, losing any semblance of a normal life, or unaliving myself.

[@pippip4911]

I heard more than one person on my daily life say "i hope x person does something bad so they get cancelled" because they didnt like them. This times are getting scary.

[@AvgJane19]

Call them out when they say shit like that! If it's safe obvi

[@sleepingdogpro]

Been scary for a few years, I think - there have been quite a few hate-mob "cancel" examples, Natalie didn't really touch a lot of them. I've watched dozens of businesses get raided on Yelp based on a single Reddit post, and I've seen several "regular" people driven to suicide because of it, not just the one Natalie lists. Alec Holowka is a recent example that really hit home for me because he was the creator of my favorite game. The mob drove him to kill himself, too, and that was months ago and barely made the news. One anonymous person make one single post in a high-traffic place. That's al it takes. Make a post that makes it seem like someone else is an awful human being, and it won't matter if that person is actually an awful human being, because the mob is just bored and looking for something to break and set on fire.

[@noricoco4695]

It's especially sad when cancel culture starts eating their own (the marginalized people they allegedly care about).

[@sub-harmonik]

@@sleepingdogpro I think in the case of Holowka, it was justified for Zoe Quinn to tell her story. From what I've heard Alec had big mental health issues and the claims she made were verified by many close to him. That doesn't mean that it was justified for the mob to go after someone with mental health issues that went to therapy and apologized for his abuse. However, at some point there are degrees to which people are responsible for the mob when they make an allegation of abuse (just as people are responsible in degrees to which they make transphobic statements that end up resulting in violence towards trans people). How much responsibility should individuals have for other people using their speech/ideas as justification for violence/harassment? At any rate, people shouldn't be responsible for a mob when they make an allegation of abuse imo, so I think there being a "cancel" mob actually prevents calls for an individual's accountability at some level and can make the victim more hesitant to make a public claim of abuse..

[@ScorpionViper1001]

Certain leftists and "leftists" that spend more time online than with human beings in the real world need to realize a lot of things, most especially that not everything they hate is "problematic" and people are allowed to like things they hate. I have a lot of things I don't like and don't want to partake in: most sports, gambling, smoking, man on man sex, religion, celibacy, country music, songs about Jesus, etc. but I understand that people are allowed to enjoy things I really dislike.

[@tomlangford1999]

Natalie is the only person powerful enough to un-cancel herself. Watching Twitter desperately try to defend their bullshit after this video came out was so vindicating.

[@thingthang2904]

I’m not on Twitter. Can you give some examples please? (Unless it’s too complicated of an ask obviously)

[@BIadelores]

@Mookayla I really only follow twitter because that's where artists I like are and I like following their art for it, plus some funny stuff. But one of these days I may seriously have to consider just like looking for the patreon or deviantart or whatever all the artists I really like and just follow their stuff there, I constantly get roped in to useless twitter bullshit and I swear I've grown 5 years older this year alone for that. I wish there was a good alternative for that stuff since Tumblr ruined everything.

[@michaela_elise]

@@BIadelores it is a weird new thing. God damn tool of tha devil I tell you :D

[@user-xb5bz4fu9o]

@@BIadelores and now Tumblrs just kind of chilling lol, how the tables turn

[@thingthang2904]

@Mookayla I only have facebook as it's useful for communicating (but not that active outside of chat). No twitter, no instagram.

[@benhastings5749]

As a non-binary person, I’ve been watching your videos for nearly two years and haven’t once felt like you had bad intentions. Everyone is entitled to their share of bad tweets and rash statements, so long as they recognize that and grow from it. Your content is some of the best on this platform (and really across the internet, for that matter) and I can’t express how happy I am that you exist. Thank you for making this video, and I hope you’re doing well. 💛🤍💜🖤

[@mil_enrama]

Same. I'm nonbinary, and I've been watching for a year now, and I never, ever perceived any bad intentions towards folks like me. It was always clear that I could trust Natalie to support me.

[@Gooong]

The right is strong because they are willing to work together even thought their ideas are contradictory. A right wing true capitalist wants to welcome everyone as a customer. They are willing to go along with the racist shit in order to get those government regulations lifted so they can make more money. The left attacks itself with more gusto then attacking the right. As much as I hate to say it, the right are playing a game, the left are getting triggered.

[@antlerman7644]

Bro what even is non binary. I am a straight dude who genuinely doesn't understand. Not in a rude way, I just don't understand.

[@dondean517]

@@antlerman7644 a person who identifies as non-binary view themselves as something other than a man or a woman.

[@ladycaticorn2950]

@@Gooong I agree with this wholeheartedly. The left is more concerned about a purity of morals to the point that it is constantly dividing itself as a community and wasting energy attacking its members. We on the left are not united and it's hurting the issues we are fighting for.

[@EmyrianMusic]

As a non-binary person, I am grateful for your content.

[@SheWhoWalksWithLucifer]

Side note: I don't think I've ever seen someone look so glamorous drinking a 40 in a pile of garbage.

[@chownful]

cuz she's white? ok

[@Alan-wj5zc]

@@chownful ???

[@jamesblack2654]

Good point!

[@chownful]

@emotional It doesn't have to be stated when it's the accepted societal norm.

[@carolebeni30]

root You’re the reason the right was able to brainwash a whole generation. Piss off

[@charlie2.048]

I'm nonbinary, I've been watching this channel for years and every time I see someone on Twitter try and pull a "ContraPoints hates nonbinary people" claim I just assume they have never actually watched anything you have made or if they did, they either a) did it after smoking crack, or b) are 10 years old and can't figure out how costumes and characters work.

[@amandacs400]

Hahahahahahah

[@sammoseley9113]

Hello there, I am wondering why you identify as non-binary. I understand you liked don’t feel you conform to gender roles or stereotypes but i am pretty ignorant on the topic so if you have the time to reply, I would be grateful.

[@user-ky8cx2tj7q]

@@sammoseley9113 It's a little weird and a lot of work to tell your whole gender journey to an internet stranger, so I'm not expecting this person to reply. If you're interested in hearing about what it means or feels like to be non-binary, I'd recommend watching KZbin videos made by nonbinary creators. I think Shonalika, Luxander, Ash Hardell, CopsHateMoe, and Milo Stewart have all made videos about their nonbinary experiences, and I'm sure there are plenty of others. Thanks for being interested in learning 👍

[@sunny-qk3uk]

@@sammoseley9113 hi! im nb (non binary) and while i dont speak for every nb person I can say while it is a bit of not fitting into gender roles but the act of being perceived as a certain gender. For example, many people's genders match their gender presentation (whether they dress femininely or masculinely) but for nb people wanting to be perceived as neither or both is the ideal. Of course, clothes are clothes and nb don't have to dress androgynously. Again, I don't speak for all nb people and this is just my experience! :)

[@jeanmichellelaurent]

And they do not stop, I can’t go on contrapoints fucking twitter without some angry twitter occultist yelling at her for some silly reason “burn thy heretic”

[@charlieflowers8032]

"can't uncancel myself, i must cancel the act of cancelling itself" you're a genius natalie

[@monicagalbraith2119]

four years later and this video still brings me so much... comfort? relief? validation? i've been cancelled (albeit on a much smaller scale) myself a few times, and one of them resulted in a suicide attempt. but natalie lists out exactly what i experienced and breaks it down in a way that brings me to tears. like, YES! that's it, that's what it is! i'm very grateful that, even in her own pain, natalie created this analysis of this phenomenon.

[@mil_enrama]

I don't know you but I'm glad you're still here

[@russellwest8767]

“The snowflake doesn’t feel responsible for the avalanche” is such a fantastic quote in more ways than one

[@sunisea6438]

For every nasty tweet, there’s a hundred people who support and admire you and yet say nothing at all, either because they don’t use social media, they don’t want to get caught up in online slapfights, they’re busy dealing with their own problems in the real world etc. I’m one of those people. I’m commenting now because I want to help drive the KZbin algorithm to this video so it can be seen by as many people as possible. I also wanted to be the voice of the silent majority. We love you, Natalie. The videos you make are so important; you say so much with your platform that we cannot and by doing so you are helping to shape the future into something better. We’re sorry we don’t repay the debt, especially by failing to show our support online when you most needed it - but I hope you know we’re here anyway, standing beside you, like ghosts. Thank you for being you.

[@kesh9001]

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[@dynamicworlds1]

I refuse to use Twitter or Facebook because they are intrinsically toxic.

[@notfedersic8492]

[@xempire103]

Couldn't of said it better myself

[@KateGolson]

Twitter: “Can everyone finally agree contrapoints belongs directly inside a garbage can” Contrapoints: “here I am sweetie” Best thing I have heard all day 😂 contrapoints is amazing

[@KateGolson]

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[@ijustquitmyjob]

thank you. my friend laura was the victim of a bullying campaign and killed herself. it really opened my eyes on the messed up things that can happen in big facebook groups, etc.

[@Motuochez]

Wow, the modern cancel culture literally feels like an incarnation of the old-school "BURN THE WITCH" insanity after a random woman would literally do anything that could be interpreted as problematic. Your videos are very important and I'm sure we all understand how huge mental toll it is to talk about these sensitive topics. Stay strong, Natalie!!

[@zacg_]

To be fair, Natalie did turn me into a newt. But I got better.

[@aturtlethatisred]

Zac G hahaha

[@miamazingness]

Mob rule is shit.

[@attailavie5645]

Reminds me a bit of Olly's video on witch hunting, feminism and Marxism. Also, to the person who made the Monty Python reference, thank you, you just made my day

[@taliab.7329]

literally what are u talking about ,,,,,

[@aarishowton8037]

The most ironic thing about that ‘line in the sand’ tweet is that a line in the sand IS A MEANINGLESS AND EASILY COMPROMISED DIVISION

[@99bskr]

Aaris Howton, love that, gorge

[@janguvpes7518]

I don't know where the phrase ultimately came from, but I suppose one interpretation is that precisely because such a line is easily broken, it matters all the more (the abstract line, this is, not the one that commenter was drawing in their tweet!). It's also then not meaningless, but a line whose meaning almost entirely consists in its being conventionally upheld and subscribed to. And that's sort of the point with a a firm stance, right? It's hard to take a firm stance because it's easier to be unprincipled for various reasons.

[@salenebrom6476]

Aaris Howton 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@anneo8393]

Sand is notoriously easy to manipulate

[@BlertaPupu]

The user who wrote the comment also misgendered her. It's not a good look to use pronouns conditionally.

[@siriussnow3100]

How to trick straight men into thinking theyre gay? Meth and tigers

[@vwertix1662]

$20

[@enzodasilvazani9969]

@Special Agent Krycek It's a reference to Tiger King fucko.

[@enzodasilvazani9969]

@Special Agent Krycek Christ, don't you have anything better to do than post homophobic cringe on youtube comment sections? Actually don't bother answering that, i'm muting you.

[@siriussnow3100]

@Special Agent Krycek it was a tiger king reference and you are an idiot

[@max-dy1iv]

@Special Agent Krycek lmao dumbass its a reference

[@travisjamesmajor]

This video has aged extremely well. Fuck the haters Natalie. You’re the most creative, thoughtful (and yes, hilarious) content creator I’ve ever subscribed to, and I hope you keep going forever.

[@gastllyxo]

Quarantine = binging contra vids

[@mikelmontoya2965]

YASS we are in an official national lockdown here in Spain for at very least the next two weeks, forbidden to leave our houses except to buy food, so I'll for sure binge the shit out of ContraPoints.

[@ariellavanluyn99]

Binging contra vids in self quarantine in Australia. Best decision ever

[@dorkenspache8353]

That is exactly what I have been doing. I only ever saw her on the Blaire White debate and didn't really like her. Then I saw one of her videos and I can honestly say she extremely entertaining. I like how she is somehow able to relate to both left-leaning and right-leaning people without attacking one or the other very harshly.

[@shnpio]

Only found her yesterday all I’ve done since is binge her

[@gastllyxo]

I’ve watched this vid like four times since lockdown lmao

[@DavidChiappini]

Broke: selling bath water Woke: selling the bathtub

[@miamazingness]

*Giving away* bathtub

[@amoralsupport672]

@@miamazingness is that some good ass praxis i smell?

[@mathieuleader8601]

I wonder if Grover Cleveland did that

[@ambiguoussarcasm]

Bespoke: selling the bathtub full of bath water

[@orangetoes223]

You’ve got that backwards

[@chrisyhuang]

it is so CATHARTIC to hear someone talk about cancel culture so eloquently. I could never completely understand my guilt at refusing to participate in online witch hunts and cancellations. I felt like I was supporting abusers with my silence, but I also felt adamantly that standing back was the right thing to do. It’s very confusing. So I thank you for bringing insight to my experiences.

[@noricoco4695]

"How one tweet can ruin your life" is good too - not as in-depth, eloquent, and meaningful as this, but still another perspective on the problem of cancel culture. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXKsgWmcfpWBd6s

[@Zasi24]

Really well put!

[@CalycoCat]

Just rewatched this four years later, and @ContraPoints I just want to say I love you. Never stop loving yourself because you are amazing and incredibly talented, and beautiful inside and out. I think your ability to give all sides a fair go and deep dive into the psychology of the issue all while entertaining and staying your beautiful, hilarious and unique self is inspiring. The things I have learnt about myself and the world through your video essays has helped me grow and I hope be a better person. Thank you.

[@uiop60]

I think twitter’s propensity to W O R S H I P any public figure that Hasn’t Fucked Up Yet (though it’s always a matter of time) is a big part of what amplifies folks’ outrage when things do get even remotely complicated. Natalie has frequently expressed discomfort with being treated by her fans like the end-all arbiter of social commentary, but well-meaning people put her on a pedestal anyway, contrary to that discomfort. The pedestal narrows and heightens, and no one has perfect balance.

[@mayasanguinis8788]

Hero worship and people pedastaling is a recipe for disaster Twitter peeps never seem to learn the lesson of. Everyone is flawed. *Everyone.* It's only a matter of time as to when that person slips up and says something 🌟☄️uncouth☄️🌟 and suddenly it's time to #CancelSoAndSo but noooow you lick the ground this new, not-problematic person or creator walks on and it's "aw shit, here we go again" ad nauseum.

[@mikelmontoya2965]

This might be my parasocial love for Natalie talking, but I truly think she's one of the most important and articulated social commentators of our times. I mean, I know she's not literally flawless, no one is, but I still think she's one of the bests. Even the tweets she apologized for... I understand why she did apologize for tweeting them, but I still don't think they were BAD TWEETS, they just weren't as carefully drafted and thought out as her videos are (which is understandable, they were just tweets goddammit). And I'm saying this being a nonbinary person who hasn't transitioned in any way (I present 100% as my assigned gender and use my assigned gender's pronouns) myself.

[@quillpen815]

Every time someone posts 'We stan an unproblematic queen/prince/whathaveyou' i cringe inwardly because seems like another way to say that they can only admire or respect this person until they make a mistake, which will happen eventually. Can we just treat people as human beings please?

[@settheray2jerry1]

yeah, I find that people either absolutely love or hate other figures as well, for example Elon Musk, people either say he's an evil billionaire or the savior of the world, when in reality he's just a smart dude who's doing some good in the world alongside some questionable decisions and businesses practices.

[@persaiospan8293]

The “created by Natalie Wynn and no one else” after such a long and laborious video hit me very damn hard

[@edmundolee]

This is university-level KZbin, and I’m here for it.

[@ssayuriss]

Edmundo Lee good analogy

[@alozzzy1213]

I had similar thoughts :)

[@lorax8172]

That's why I watch. It is performance philosophy

[@jazwhoaskedforthis]

YES

[@archibaldtuttle8481]

Here, here! Exactly right and I would recommend these ContraPoints vids to all who are not brain dead.

[@highclass_lady]

Keep in mind that at the time Natalie agreed to cast him she had no idea what his present-day views would become; & it sounds like she didn't really know what his views at the time were, much less the extent of them. It's important to remember that her choice to have him quote a 10-sec voiceover in a 48-min video was made in the context of what she knew back then not on what we all know now. AND Natalie's opinion has since changed once she knew more. During this video Natalie was trying her best based on what she knew at the time & she didn't want to be the one leading the pitchforks at someone else after what she'd just been through. As described in this video, it sounds like the casting choice was suggested by a work colleague she trusted & didn't think to further research his opinions before approving the decision, since she was probably focused on all the other tasks that needed to be coordinated in order for her video Opulence to happen. But again, after she learned more because he made more of his opinions known publicly &/or his opinions changed after the video, she changed both her position & her opinions of her past actions & mistakes based on what she knew at the time. Think of the Maya Angelou quote: "Do the best you can until you know better. Then when you know better, do better." I think Natalie always thought she was doing the best thing to handle the situation at the time based on what she knew at the time. I really respect that Natalie is willing to change her mind & learn from her mistakes.

[@LycheeFoxpup]

It is so surreal watching this now with the knowledge that PhilosophyTube's now Abigail Thorne is trans and out, and that she was probably in the midst of working out her identity while people were throwing anti-trans accusations at her. What a world.

[@aproxamillionwasps474]

I’m the first one to admit that I don’t always consider how other people are feeling, but that is something else...

[@mothgoth0]

literally, people are so inconsiderate when cancelling... Just like rn people are complaining how James Charles was suicidal bc he got death threats and they're blaming everyone but the mass that was cancelling him.

[@iokastichristaphi1198]

Absolutely crazy. I am so sorry for the people caut in this worthless drama

[@pariah_carey]

eventually the Hatemob will realize that two wrongs don't make a right and that cancellation is not the way to go about getting people to change their ways, and it does much more harm than good, to them, to their target, and to society as a whole. hopefully... i won't be holding my breath though.

[@arigadatred5395]

​@Melody Ackerman The shit-smeared carrion manufacturer known as "Twitter" owes the _world_ an apology for its detestable existence. I wish corporations were people, because then they could be in prison where they belong.

[@jenshertog1702]

Turns out drinking liquor straight from the bottle WAS the 2020 vibe

[@ryanotte6737]

Yeah... only 2020 though. I have moved on from that... *swig*.

[@omega52390]

@@ryanotte6737 You're right definitely more of a purple drank kind of year.

[@Davidzarco12]

I mean its malt liquor. Its beer basically. Thats how you drink a 40 oz of beer. Bringthing this up brought me no joy

[@jenshertog1702]

@@Davidzarco12 yeah. More s*x and violence next time

[@ashsummermakaio4756]

@@ryanotte6737 Yeah, I moved from drinking directly from the bottle to injecting in my blood stream.

[@Gingerm0nster]

Natalie drinking a 40 in a bathtub is VERY 2020 in hindsight

[@marinaradcliff3376]

2020 in hindsight is such a lovely phrase.

[@aryandeoskar173]

@@marinaradcliff3376 You guys are all so fucking cool. I wanna be friends with all of you

[@KarishmaChanglani]

@@marinaradcliff3376 I know right. It implied 2020 is over. And that sounds nice.

[@pseudonamed]

so ahead of her time

[@inkheart01]

769 likes

[@AmbroseFluff]

I'm nonbinary and you HELPED ME GET HERE!!! I was so worried like "What if I transition to nonbinary and then REALISE I'M ACTUALLY BINARY TRANS" Total, TOTAL disaster, I told everyone the wrong pronouns, I dressed the wrong way, I made a total fool of myself!!! Travesty. And then I watched a video by TheHealthyGamerGG in which you told Dr K about your transition process of thinking you were nonbinary on the way to realising you are a woman. And this totally fucking calmed me down. You helped me realise that I could just... change things later if I did them wrong. There's no pressure. My trans journey is mine and it's nobody else's fucking business. And stubborn cis people may hate on me for it. And stubborn trans people may also say that I "think that nonbinary is just a phase on the way to becoming binary trans!!!" But I'll know otherwise. I can deal with the hate. I don't owe any of those people anything. And in turn, that idea led to me realising that I don't owe anyone androgyny either, or femininity, or using the "correct pronouns", even that the only type of "correctness" associated with pronouns is whether they help expressing oneself in the way one wishes to express oneself. In other words, Natalie, coming across your content for the first time was pivotal in my questioning and helped lead me to being the bad bitch nonbinary they/she SJW I am today! (I don't do a lot of activism yet and I am definitely not a bad bitch - I am working on both of these tho lol, also on becoming one of Ryan's transgender furry anarchist friends in antifa ;3) And in the year since then that I have been slowly eating my way through your past videos, I have never felt like you hold any judgement or contempt against nonbinary people. I have always felt accepted and understood. I love you ContraPoints. Seriously. These people should actually watch your videos before making snap judgements about you.

[@abbyroselew9971]

I hope you are living your best life as your most authentic self 💕 finding ourselves takes time, take pride in your journey ❤

[@AmbroseFluff]

@@abbyroselew9971 Thank you, I am and I will nwn I have to say, being nonbinary and having basically no gendered expectations (except maybe androgyny but who cares???). Is so liberating. Really does feel like I can unabashedly express myself however feels right for the first time. And that feels very gender~

[@dmvmeu7140]

I think you're a bad bitch for bein outspoken abt your journey!

[@willowrowlands4571]

I've never left a comment on anything in my entire internet using life, but i want you to know that when twitter implodes, i'll still be tracking your amazing transition from content producer to film maker. From the mouthfeel to the inherent eroticism of the sea, you're a poet and a don and the art world loves ya baby.

[@AvgJane19]

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[@dean1641]

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[@ianwallace4127]

Yayaya!

[@ariannawright7586]

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[@AdamNeely]

Incredible video! Glad you made it and glad you have people you can rely on offline. I was in the Opulence video too, and saw exactly zero harassment on Twitter or anywhere else. I’m kind of amazed by that, especially by the games of cancel telephone I saw go on

[@Biskmut]

I was actually wondering about that because I remember your name being in the credits! Great work, the video turned out amazing!

[@fafafafafafafa]

Ooooh, Adam's here. It's always nice to see multiple swell people come together. :)

[@Nalhek]

THE LICK IS OFFICIALLY CANCELED!

[@miaumiau679]

Well you didnt pay attention to the video then. In order to get cancelled you need to belong to the same group doing the cancelling. Natalie is a leftist being cancelled by other leftists. You cant really get cancelled by leftists because your content is not really lefitist, its about music theory, right??

[@torrent8446]

@@miaumiau679 he plays the lick in a secret time signature that allows him to turn people into leftists

[@live4twilight4ever]

I saw a post on tumblr a while ago that basically said, "when the bar is so low for calling someone a predator, it makes it really easy for actual predators to fly under the radar." So many people get "canceled" so often and for such minor things that terms like "predator" and "transphobe" and suchlike are watered down to the point of being practically meaningless, at least in social media discourse. And nobody has the time or energy to look into every accusation, so you end up with a lot of people who hear that someone is problematic and just think, "oh, I wonder what stupid thing people are mad about this time" instead of "oh, I should avoid that person's content in the future" or whatever. So cancel culture basically creates a broader culture where accusations aren't taken seriously, which is, incidentally, the exact problem that cancel culture was originally a response to.

[@ScorpionViper1001]

Speaking of trivializing things, I always rolled my eyes at people who tried to equate the lizard people in "What's Wrong With Capitalism?" with Anti-Semitic tropes of Jews. As a guy with matralineal Jewish ancestry, I can't imagine any Jewish person would get offended by it. She was very clear with what that metaphor was about and I'm like, "If you really care about Anti-Semitism, vote every single Republican out of office, donate to gofundmes when our graves get desecrated, etc. Don't smear Contrapoints with nonsense and pretend you're doing anything to help Jewish people."

[@bloomj31]

That's one of the risks of throwing charged language around haphazardly. Eventually the terms start to lose their charge.

[@thegallivantinggamers4904]

JBloom31 In an effect called semantic bleaching.

[@Overquoted]

@I AM SOMEBODY - They don't need to be anti-Semitic themselves to be dangerous to Jewish and non-white people. The Republican Party, as a whole, currently uses white grievance and white supremacy as fuel for elections. So, even if an individual Republican isn't anti-Semitic themselves, they are part of a party that not only allows such views to flourish but actively encourages them. How often have you seen a "conservative" talking about George Soros? More importantly, when their particular leader can't be bothered to denounce the people chanting "Jews will not replace us," and the party members themselves don't immediately demand his resignation... Do you really think any of them have any kind of moral ground to stand on? And keep in mind, this is the same party that is currently opposing his impeachment, despite federal crimes. Like, if the whole Charlottesville thing had really bothered any of them but they felt it wasn't enough grounds for calling for his removal, they now have plenty of ammunition. Simply put, they don't give a shit that he helps fuel anti-Semitic and other white supremacist terrorism. (Charlottesville isn't even the only incident, just the most heinous when it comes to Jewish people, iirc.)

[@Overquoted]

@Jeffrey Canzani - You do know why the GOP has traditionally "supported" Israel, right? It has nothing to do with support for Jewish people and everything to do with the belief that in order for Jesus to return to Earth, Israel has to be a Jewish state. Of course, once he does return, any Jews that fail to convert to Christianity are condemned to an eternity in hell. Also, being a supporter of Israel is not the same thing as being an ally of Jewish people in your own nation. Apocalyptic Christian ideas notwithstanding.

[@jamesbest9038]

you have done more to educate the cis community about trans and gender issues than any single person I can think of.

[@elliel.5915]

I just want to give her a hug. This video broke my heart a little bit. You deserve a hug, Natalie.

[@everyotter9331]

+100 hugs

[@ajarofnutella]

god same, i just wanna give her the biggest loving hug.

[@1TW1-m5i]

Same

[@ericpaul698]

She does, poor Natalie. Those of us with some kind of sense love you

[@thesupreme950]

Yeah same :/

[@alexanderguthrie6744]

"Hey, what are your favourite feature films of all time?" "Oh you know, The Shining, Parasite, the Truman Show, Canceling..."

[@spence98]

legit me friday night movie: hmmm what should it be OH, i know, cancelling for the 17th time

[@sofiamachado790]

what are feature films? sorry, english isnt my first language

[@alexanderguthrie6744]

​@@sofiamachado790 Just any full-length movie :)

[@spence98]

@@sofiamachado790 its basically a movie that is long enough to be considered a stand alone entity; so like 90ish minutes + whereas like a tv show is episodic so most individual episodes are much shorter.

[@sofiamachado790]

@@spence98 thanks!

[@LynxChan]

It took me 30 minutes to dig this up, but I finally found the term; second-order punishment. This can be added as another fundamental property of cancel culture. In second-order punishment, not only is a perceived norm violator punished, but *anyone who fails to punish the accused is also punished*. This massively reinforces the punishment behavior, as people are highly motivated to engage in whatever punishment is normative (in this case cancellation) for fear of their own punishment.

[@whereammy]

Literally cult-like behavior, christ

[@crazykenna]

Thanks for the terminology, much appreciated!

[@MCAndyT]

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[@hyouka1896]

Hey, Contrapoints! I know this video has its years but I want to tell you thank you, thank you a lot for making a video about this issue. I was cancelled by a small online community that I kinda used as a support to get on with things in my life. It was a really scarring experience, and while I know that my understanding of today's world issues was a little insensitive at the time, I felt the punishment for my actions was way too harsh. I feel validated, respected and learned a lot by watching this video after spending years on a limbo reflecting over everything. You have helped in my healing journey. You are a gem!

[@jakepup5794]

I publicly associate myself with Contrapoints.

[@Nalhek]

First of all; how dare you Second; same

[@amalnasser4118]

Same, and I’m not ashamed

[@magolor7856]

I bought and am currently wearing her merch so...

[@nonfickshun]

"How do you trick straight men into thinking they're gay?" Thank you for saying this out loud. This has always baffled me since I first heard about it.

[@anilin6353]

It is called grooming

[@Tcrror]

@@anilin6353 If all it takes is a little consistent flirting, then the guy that's being groomed wasn't really straight in the first place.

[@cman4740]

The same way ContraPoints makes me feel big gay. Just ContraPoints has stronger powers. But only JK Rowling can make people absolutely gay.

[@marcinraczkowski3267]

@@Tcrror If all it takes is little consistent flirting, she really wanted it right? Let me be clear, it's not the same, but similar.

[@natsuzhi]

Its called Jojo's Bizzare Adventure

[@caelanstafford1870]

I am a nonbinary person, and I found out two years ago, about a few months after I started watching your videos. I have spent the past year and a half talking to professionals (who agree that I am in fact nonbinary), have came out multiple times (to the exact same people), have spent hours upon hours trying explain why I can't "just be a masculine woman," why I want "to mutilate my own body," etc, and even now no one believes or accepts it. Watching your videos on nonbinary people helped me figure out my own identity, and I feel hurt that you are being dragged "for the sake of nonbinary people" when for me personally, your videos helped me so much in learning to accept my own nonbinary identity. I look forward to your videos every month, and hope that this stuff doesn't get you too down!

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[@alicewonder259]

Hearding Abigail's deadname, and you refer to her as cis hit me like a truck in this. The beauty of time ✨ Thank you for your incredible nuance as always, great video