CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC!, SQUARE GROUND CHAIN , GULLET, OR NOT

Get the Gullet , round filing , absolutely , square ground chain ? . no thanks . test cuts on both chains

[@shaneparrow9545]

Hey Buckin’, My name is Shane and I am a 19 year old Welder/Fabricator from Oregon. Ive been struggling a bit lately with some personal things that have been mostly out of my control and I just want to tell you that you and your videos have helped me more than you know. Ive been splitting wood and falling trees like its going out of style in my free time and ive never been happier. You have helped me build a better and healthier lifestyle and attitude and Im definitely in your debt for that. Thanks again buckin’ and if anyone deserves 50 bucks, its a guy like you. and remember, you got to get the gullet!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

Brother the most important thing ,,to me in this comment is that you are feeling better . you are right where you are suppose to be , we always are , and we can always change things . so it seems to me ,you grabbed the most primitive tool in the world and started swingin' it around and just felt good , its because yer Spirit is calling. and you listened . brother this is a very important thing to listen to . i remember , vividly at 18 years old staring at my Baby hands lookin out the window wondering who i was goin to be and what i was goin to do with these hands. . you are on yer way, the reasons I know this? Two things , Humility , you acknowledged something wasnt right, and did something about it, remember if nothin' changes ... nothin' changes . you also spoke about it which relaxes the wall . honesty always brings freedom. super proud to have you on this page and inu this community

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

thank you young man

[@richardfuerst5286]

As a retired STIHL tech, I've seen many customers chains with broken cutters because of the gullet being filed out. I love your videos Buckin. Keep up the great work!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

cheers

[@cheapsmoke4096]

Just bad operators haha

[@richardfuerst5286]

@@cheapsmoke4096 well I can't argue that

[@cheapsmoke4096]

@@richardfuerst5286 haha all love around here 🤙

[@tomtheplummer7322]

I ran Husqvarna distributor van in the mid 70’s as kid in upper Minnesota to Canada before borders. I was a kid 18 and drank in all the bars too. Old timers were fun to learn from. Then if ya can you teach them a lesson 🤣💪👍🏻

[@cody7548]

For me the real gold of Buckin's videos is in the little things he observes about life and the different ways to live it, I believe the fact that he does about the best job anyone could do of making videos which explain and demonstrate the many aspects of cutting wood is simply a byproduct him living these observations which he makes and shares for anyone with the ears to hear and the mind to appreciate. It's not a job, it's not a paycheck, it's not a path that he follows, it's a ethos that he has created and I'm very grateful for him living it to the fullest and sharing it with the world. Great job Buckin! Your a professional human being in my book.

[@joshuajohnson4396]

Amen

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

very nice words

[@szaboendre9368]

Living life through examples. Intent is far more superior than words. Because the internet is the drive and guider of words just like the raker in the chain. Tanks Buckin,'

[@erickrosin97]

Good afternoon Mr. Ray. Always a pleasure to see you also.

[@kowski9477]

I'm just a typical weekend worrier with a basic saw but did infact assume my chains were done and would go buy new ones *until" I learned about filing down the rakers... Haven't bought a chain for a long time because I went back with Abit of dentistry to the old chains now they cut like new. It works for me anyways. Thanks Mr BRB!

[@johnarnettsways.8758]

Appreciate the simplicity of filling. Thank you sr. Great video brother. ❤️🌲❤️🌲❤️🌲

[@richardmiller4104]

I am a stihl tech and do chainsaw nights to help people learn to sharpen. I avoid the counting strokes. If you don't sharpen your tooth you cannot cut. Simple as that. Within reason if you want to prolong your chain life keep an eye on tooth length but it has to be Sharpe or its simply going to cut croked. I go through with a guide for wrackers because it's dangerous to much off and pointless sharpening if you don't maintain them too. Love your videos you answered my thoughts on the ground chain gullet.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

Kool

[@ashleysipe470]

Thank you once again for the never ending information when it comes down to filing chain. As an ELECTRICIAN heating my home with wood you have been a god sent on bar and chain maintenance. I thought I was a seasoned pro on that subject, not. Once again thanks buckin!🙏

[@thebradleysoncatbirdhill6849]

"Edutainment" + " Theracational" = Mr. BBR!!!! Just a wonderful video all around! Love you all...❤️❤️❤️ Lieutenant Bradley

[@ggcutter4098]

i like a full skip chain 0n 32inch bar and longer i use a round grinder to take them out its up to you

[@thesmallwoodlot433]

There is knowledge, then there is experience… either one is useless with out the other, when you have experienced knowledge then you have wisdom!

[@brettblack7049]

I call wisdom the application of knowledge. Have a great day.

[@thesmallwoodlot433]

@@brettblack7049 that works too

[@tazman-kennyfuller]

We are so fortunate to have you in our lives Buckin. So much experience shared. Love the comparison of gullet in gullet gone for sure grind. Thank you. Love ya brother. 🌲❤️🌲👊🪓

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

thx

[@JesseJames-23]

Great point in the first part there buckin.

[@HRWWW]

Have been watching for a year now, and lovin the content and energy, thanks for the content!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

Kyle , thx friend , appreciate you

[@martyrutter3630]

Good to take some time with the family especially on a beautiful day 👍👍♥️♥️

[@kevinreilly4990]

Thanks for your energy. I really needed it today. You positivity makes such a difference. The saw stuff, and wood cutting are interesting, and I am in to these things as well, but your mindset, world view, and love are what impact me. Thank you Buckin'.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

yoy bet brother

[@jaysonparis7355]

Thanks Buckin', made a huge difference for me.

[@jjc7350]

I would like to say something to everyone that watches this channel. This man works harder than any other KZbin creator that I know of. On top of that, he does it with good intentions. He isn’t trying to get rich. He is trying to help people, and make the world a better place. I know this to be true because he hasn’t sold out to a bunch of sponsors. I don’t think that there is anything wrong with accepting sponsorships at all, as long as they are companies that have good products and integrity. Buckin is so serious about this that he has passed up many opportunities just to make sure that his love and integrity remains unquestionable. I respect that a lot… We receive so much from his work, and he doesn’t even charge us for it… After watching him for 6 or 7 years now, I am certain that he is deserving of way more than he is getting. I would like for us to get together and start paying the man. It’s only right. All of us chipping in through donating on his website, or super thanks on KZbin, would change his life. I fully believe that we owe this man for his work…. I don’t know how this will go over, but I don’t care. I want to see Buckin and his family get all that they deserve…. It’s the least I can do. Thank you all in advance! I know that I am writing this to a bunch of great people!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

Josh , I dont even no what to say , so , I will say Thank you .

[@jjc7350]

@@BuckinBillyRaySmith You’re welcome buddy. I know that you would never ask anyone for anything, and that is exactly my point. You’re very welcome. I’m going to post this comment a few more times and hope that it helps people to look at the situation in a way that they might not have otherwise. I imagine that there are many people that just haven’t considered the situation in this way. Thx for all of the free entertainment and instruction man!

[@Kyleshaw7624]

Great, helpful video as always billy, cheers!

[@rkj4107]

I'm with ya. I subscribe to the KISS method with most things. Keep it simple and I don't have many problems. I always let the feel of the file in my hand tell me when it's done.

[@jjc7350]

Couldn’t sleep tonight. Thx for always posting these videos. It’s appreciated man!

[@johnmorse5617]

Vary good Billy ,I appreciate you so much you explain really good simple language . Filling is a learned art . Be safe Billy . Please remember Adirondack double bit . Love wins

[@brianheintz9912]

Agreed on the learned art

[@johnhudson6469]

Since I’ve been watching and learning how to file chain on this channel,,,,it’s now something I look forward to! My back doesn’t but I do! Get the gullet or not😁

[@ronsilva516]

Well well the final nail in the coffin on the subject well done billy well done love it 👍👍👍👍👍

[@MrEabell09]

You are one cool dude billy, as a 30 year old guy I love the knowledge you share

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

thx pal

[@hdhhc5555]

I file my own chains. I take the rakers down a little more so it still cuts if the chain hits dirt in the tree and the top plate gets danged up.. Seems to work for me . As far as the gullet I don't bother with it. Lol the Rackers are still way above the gullet

[@EricaMTB]

Round file the gullet, square file the upper section.

[@justinweaver8787]

Love that 266se buckin an hope to see more of that 920 i think ima get 1 to om about to get my 1st 390xp. Its a 2021 model newest saw ive ever owend lol.

[@pahuntingandfishing7367]

I would like to see a vid of you explaining how to use the sights on the saw you great

[@Bass2010]

Hey Mr Buckin there a guy that cutting wood and he is having trouble with sharpening his chains I was telling him to get in touch with you that you could help him I don’t know if he has but his website is life’s apprentice so if he does please help I told him that your a very good man that helps anyone that will asks for help Thank you

[@Boomer_in_the_Trees]

You inspire me Billy, you mighty man of God.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

Glad yer here

[@ryanarthur3641]

Just bought a pro mac 800! Cant wait to feel like buckin out there bucking wood with my old yellow!

[@cornelius6304]

I’m still learning what the gullet is. I’m no master on how to file, do t know right file sizes to chains.

[@mikahakkinen5651]

a did having trouble with my filing,it did allways cutting in angle. but then a realy start consentrate with my filing and now a get it.ofcourse help with buckins videos.

[@Matt-rs4kq]

Wow this is great lol , always wondered if the size of the tooth had to be the same or not , now i know . Great video 👍

[@hillbilly4christ638]

I am watching your video with my SkullBucket on.

[@davewilson7565]

Thanks

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

David ol' boy ,, good man thank you . love to you and yours,.

[@CaliforniaCarpenter7]

This is why we love ya buddy. Those of us from small towns are especially familiar with the old school wisdom that sometimes is super accurate and other times completely bunk. You’ve gotta test things or you’ll end up making second-hand blunders! Only chisel chain I use is brand new, and only chisel until it dulls and I round file it 😃. Some day I’ll buy a grinder! Cheers buddy!

[@jirusjirus9322]

As i have read thousands of comments on this channel over the past 2 years and have learned more from Buckin than i could've ever imagined, i do enter this community with green horns 🤘 with limited experience and with great desire to learn more, be entertained and educated about interesting things. I've always have taken my little dulled chains to the local shop to get sharpened, very cheap/easy access/close by. I do not have a grinding setup but have aquired numerous small round files to hand file chains. I realize now that all cutting is different, pruning/limbing/falling (felling)/bucking etc. And all trees and woods are different, hardwood/softwood/greenwood/deadwood etc. It seems that there are options depending on your time constraints and your personal perspectives on details. It has been my belief that 90% of the tree workers here have way more experience than me. So it is easy for me to learn more than i need. Stay true, don't be blue Do what's best for you Go out and work Go out and play To be outside Is a glorious day 🌱🌲💚🕊️

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

good man

[@307j.o.a.t9]

Thanks!

[@antoniomorgado5304]

Nice content!

[@tomtheplummer7322]

Was waiting for you to cut a 3:19😏

[@ToddAdams1234]

And not all raker gauges are the same. “I” believe that you should be using a progressive style, not a static style. Progressive is like the Husqvarna. Static is like the Stihl. I like both saw types, so that is not what I’m referring to. Raker gauges are. BBR has covered this before. If you look closely at how a saw chain actually WORKS then you know it takes “chips” out and not a steady ribbon (unless you’re noodling). And with a static style you’re effectively lowering your raker more as the cutter gets sharpened more and more. That’s not how it worries with progressive (dynamic) gauges. With progressive you’ll hit a point where you’ll not ever even be able to tell ANY difference between a hardwood setting vs a softwood setting. It’s about 2/3 of the way back. Try it and you’ll see. Just MY experience. 👍 Have your self a great day BBRS.

[@brettblack7049]

I think you may have mis-wrote that, may want to check it for errors. Have a great week.

[@darrenearley4575]

Looking good Billy Ray! Happy Axe Day!

[@metsamikko]

I dont flip bars since ive learned filing,bar last longer when using it at same side all time. Bar oil is important, if it is not inough the bar gone bad.

[@bucketheadrox]

I might get rid of the gullet if I chsnge my stone to have a taller side plate. I end up with sharp pointy gullets and you can see it on the stump when I cut.

[@jirusjirus9322]

Good to see another Buckethead fan...🎶

[@johnkenny2210]

Buckin Johno very interesting show keep them coming 👍

[@stevenparson0]

Back at The Wood Yard again I can tell that chain isn't the same one side different than the other good video

[@wolfcommander6009]

Great info on this one thanks Buckin👍

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

you bet

[@snowman6678]

Welcome to the family new subscribers!

[@joshuajohnson4396]

Yep Buckin. You shouldn't pull your suspenders too much no matter how much experience you have or you'll get a wedgie. Thanks again Buckin. Nice work

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

got that right friend

[@bradbaker5726]

That was fun and interesting😎

[@josephmcclure9203]

Great Video!

[@stephencrisci2905]

I am deeply sorry buckin if you were talkin about me with the suspenders my oppologys again i meant no disrespect n sure didnt mean to come accross like that..iam 55 n i can do those things n worked hard to but didnt know i was seeming or being like that..difficult for me now um on a mntn mostly alone n juss trying to cope n connect on here..making me lil 180 out somedays wont happen again freind its uplifting to me to watch in learn...i would like to continue to with out things besides splitten n cuttin ..i do wear suspenders but their not gona be for that ...much appreiciation n respect...for you

[@martyrutter3630]

Nice cutting your saws and chains are always it top shape 🪵👍👍

[@elizabethreed2945]

This was a good one. 👍

[@wendelhopkins4684]

Love the video’s thanks

[@joeyrector934]

I've noticed that from the very first video that I watched of yours that you have been cutting for a long time

[@timothybyrom5560]

If I keep your rakers even, and you sharpen at uniform angles .You will cut straight.

[@ajpsawmill4314]

I don't have time for all that, I just take it out of the box, drop trees all day, throw them on the bench sharpener and do it all over. Enjoy your videos brother

[@d.ahwooomazenkas8075]

Ahwoooo get one 👍

[@tomtheplummer7322]

I’m a bit longer in the tooth. That’s the term for olde. I would cut with what we called chisel tip. Is that what you call square?

[@leonardvirtue5753]

Cheers mate teacher nice 😊 💪💪👍👀😁

[@williamdeberry3232]

Hi Windy.

[@tomnielsen6439]

If you listen closely, you will understand and learn something from this video. I did. Thanks Buckin.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

welcome tom

[@davidfrette7721]

Where do I get a Who Cut One sign??? Love it

[@dantone1952]

Buckin Billy Rays pronoun - HAPPY CREATURE - Whats next rainbow hair?

[@edmarguilherme3705]

Essa maneira de amolar a corrente fica show. Você usa uma lima chata comun?

[@stihlnz]

It's your filling ... you can't beat Billy's lifetime of cutting trees and sharpening saws .. no one can beat that ... Get a Simington 451C and a roll of oregon square ground chain ... some vallorbe files and get on with it. However if you only cut your own firewood, stay round file and get a cheap drop saw type chaingrinder to go with your stihl hand file.

[@blackrx1turbo]

I Can’t find vallorbe files like buckin Uses any where in Canada Model number would be great

[@BenSawyer72]

Nice video friend

[@ericstone8812]

Ya idk why your gettin yourself all worked up at 20:30 mark, it’s just your standard ground round set up. We used to have a Ground Round restaurant out here in Wista Massa-2-Sh1tz and one came with every burger you’d order. They were the only thing worse than the food. 😂

[@moretmolina274]

The importance of new files the importance of cheap files in the importance of quality files round file square files all different size files this reminds me of cat in the hat be well buckin

[@serifklnc9722]

Alt yazı türce seçeneği ekleseydiniz güzel olurdu 👍

[@Gideon_Judges6]

Buckin' ever though about offering the Stand Up And Buck sweater or T-shirt on the store but ALREADY converted to sleeveless?

[@darktimber117]

How can a fella expect you to cut down trees if you can't even cut your own sleeves off?? Lol just messing with you is all

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

we are lookin at some stlyes of shirts sleeves friend thx

[@Gideon_Judges6]

@@darktimber117 that's a good point but I figure they could save on material if it just didn't have the sleeves at the start. Plus they could be hemmed nicely at the arm holes and not frayed, ready to rip. Cheers!

[@brucemanley7593]

No tooken...taken..lol

[@eliasandreasson3548]

Your surosed to file to the point where you feel that you like it and it cuts good and that right?

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

the tooth has to be sharp

[@troytreeguy]

A question for you Buckin where the depth gauges on both sides of the chain set to be the same because I’m curious how one tooth grind can take more wood if the depth gauge is what sets how much would the tooth takes just keep in the discussion going well

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

i dont understand the question , I use a raker gauge thats it . thats what they do , its their job , am i missing something?, thx pal

[@85ZERO17]

WHY DO YOU HOLD THE PULL CORD OUT AS YOU SHUT IT DOWN?

[@joejackson9142]

Hey I have been watching your videos for a while and it interest me into getting into logging do you know of anyone or anyplace I could get started

[@darcyletourneau5493]

266 for the test saw?

[@ductileiron98]

There's more than one way to skin a cat.......

[@thejackel1844]

As long as the rakers are the same depth on both sides, you will be fine, end of story !...

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

not if one side is sharper . as you just saw. ground chain cuts faster than round chain

[@thejackel1844]

@@BuckinBillyRaySmith Yes, you are right, should have used an asterisk after I made that comment ...

[@brettblack7049]

@@harryharry3193 no, that machine only does round ground chain. The only square grinder I'm aware of you can buy new these days is the simington 451c. Have a great week.

[@allenhenry1113]

I bet with the square file will stay sharper longer?

[@230e4]

Whatever file or grind you use, keeping your chain out of the dirt is key. I can consistently fall twice as many trees on a square filed chain before needing to sharpen versus round and do it faster. You will especially notice the difference between square and round when cutting a notch in hardwoods at 70-90 degrees and bore cutting. The other very important factor is what chain you are running, you will find Carton and Husqvarna x-cut chains stay sharp noticeably longer than the Oregon chains in hardwoods. Full house chain equals twice as much time spent sharpening and thus less time cutting vs. full-skip chain. So for me square filed full skip Carlton chain depth gauges set with a depth gauge that measures each tooth has proven to be the most productive chain I have run so far. I cut 5 hrs a day on average some days longer if I'm not skidding. Oh, If you square file you will find it very beneficial for both your filing and your file to file the gullet out as you file. Always look up!

[@leonardobatistarocha7956]

Caipira Chico Lobo Composição: Chico Lobo viola quando a noite desce se vem lua cheia traz cantoria vadia estrela menina fonte de amor e de alegria por isso eu sou cantador violeiro no sertão canto as tristezas da terra mas também a força desse chão depois de enxada no campo é viola na mão sou caboclo que ao romper do dia vai pro roçado na hora da lida mulher cuida do café e de rosinha a mais pequenininha por isso eu sou plantador colho os frutos do meu chão em troca ofereço suor mas recebo com juros o pão depois de enxada no campo é viola na mão sob o sol sou matuto da roça sob a lua eu canto de viola foi assim que me fiz caipira sobre as bençãos de nossa senhora sob o sol sou matuto da roça sob a lua eu canto de viola foi assim que me fiz caipira sobre as bençãos de nossa senhora e depois de enxada no campo é chegado a hora da minha viola

[@johnvelas70]

Kind of off topic, but I know a 14 year old girl who was paralyzed. Her hobbies include telling me & anyone around me I'm a dork. But she knows I do logging, and you do logging. She wants me to do a reverse grip pull up contest with you. If I win, she'll make me a batch of peanut butter fudge, if you win, I have to make her red raspberry jam (good for her digestion). No need to film it since I have no means to film mine, but are you up for it?

[@sun9912]

Yee yee

[@justinjones5288]

Whats your opinion on Amsoil Saber mixed at 100:1.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

i dont have one friend

[@farmerjackson709]

I wouldn’t go less than 50:1 myself I run anywhere between 40:1 to 45:1. More oil is better to a point. If you run too much oil and run yours saw too rich they will carbon up and you can wreck a top end just as well and too lean and not enough oil. It’s all about the the happy medium

[@justinjones5288]

@@farmerjackson709 i know they’ve been selling it since the 70’s and ive been running it in my trimmers and saws without any problems so far. Just curious if any builders on here have taken apart a saw that runs it.

[@farmerjackson709]

@@justinjones5288 hey man if it works it work. I like more oil especially because I run the same gas in both my new saws and the ones I have from the 1950’s. those ol gals where originally 16-1 withe sae 30w oil lol

[@justinjones5288]

@@farmerjackson709 absolutely insane back in the day with the oil.

[@warrenporter302]

18:22 takes off his glasses to make a cut. A true professional! Why don't you make a video on why its so important NOT to wear safety equipment such as eye protection. I love your absolute knowledge of and skill with a chain saw, and life for that matter... but cringe every time you make a cut

[@williamwalters3796]

🤷‍♂️

[@brettblack7049]

He's talked about it in prior videos. I can't remember which one, so you'll need to watch them all lol😆

[@kodeebarber]

Never noticed a difference in the cut taking the gullet out. It does make a difference when Limbing. It's much slower in the limbs if you don't take the gullet out. But that only matters in the production cutting world. I don't believe a little gullet will matter if you're just firewood cutting. This is just speaking from my experience, 4th generation timber faller.

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

its a fine dance bringing all cuttin' scenarios together in a chain... square is the stuff , I remember the switch from round to square , what an education , a few hungry chains later. started to catch on . thx fir yer words

[@kodeebarber]

@@BuckinBillyRaySmith appreciate the reply. I suppose I was spoiled from the start, my dad showed my square ground first lol didn't learn to round file till years later. Well actually it was mostly from watching your videos I started to get the round filing down, so thanks for that. Not sure if you'll even see this reply it have time to read it but I very much enjoy your videos and so does my son. There was a good chunk of time that we had to watch your videos in order for him to fall asleep at night. You've also inspired me to upload more videos to KZbin because my son lives chainsaws so much, it brings me a lot of joy to be able to share that with him! If you do end up reading this sorry it's so long but thanks for the good entertainment and keep up the good work! Maybe one day we can make it to a buckin stock so my son can meet you!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

@@kodeebarber that wood be great , these are some of my favorite comments , when father and son or families watch and comment . hope to meet you and yer boy one day

[@gumboot65]

You can REALLY notice a big shelf gullet when putting in a nice big humboldt face cut. Also , a big gullet that hasn't been got rid of really gets in the way when making a big buck in soft conifers like bucking the root wad off a big red cedar. Cutting red cedar with 3/8 chain sucks. But not taking the gullets out makes it Worse ! Your chain in the vid has had half the gullet gone already. It isn't a real good test. Also, heading some of your cutters shorter than others , doesn't lead to satisfactory cutting. Count your strokes, keep everything the same and your depth guages accurate. . Keep your gullet out and your chain will be a good money maker.

[@kevinobrien5120]

Thanks

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

kevin , thank you friend, nice ta see you tonight

[@hdhhc5555]

Thanks!

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

darrin davis thank you friend , appreciate you

[@hdhhc5555]

@@BuckinBillyRaySmith I appreciate you !! Love the videos and all the advice you have. You are a great man!!

[@handycrowd]

Thanks

[@BuckinBillyRaySmith]

what a great guy , thx so much for yer support

[@handycrowd]

@@BuckinBillyRaySmith Never saw that button before till you mentioned it, so I thought it needed testing lol! Stay well Billy Ray, you're more help to us than you'll ever realise :-)