Core i9-13900K P-cores Overclocked to 6500 MHz With EK Delta² TEC & Z790 APEX | SkatterBencher #52

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[@p.b.7603]

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[@cjceeez9897]

excellent video. thank you for sharing with us!

[@HeroS_DionysuS]

So all and all... I'm running a 13900k on Asus z790. What's the most stable 6+ ghz here? Option 3? Manuel OC?

[@crispyone2564]

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[@SkatterBencher]

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[@Subaru_God]

Absolutely Mindblowing

[@norkris8729]

happy new OC year :D

[@allaneskildsen1994]

I finally got the TEC and installed together with a i9 13900, however, I have a feeling that something is wrong. I have been very careful during the install and followed the instruction to the letter. When idling in Cryo-mode the avg. temp. is 15-19 deg. I have 2x 360x30mm rad one with Phanteks T30(3000 rpm) and one with Noctus NF-A12x25(2000 rpm) and a D5 pump from EKWB. One note is that I used Thermal Grizzly's Cryonaut Extreme instead of the factory provided. The TEC is fastened all the way down and not spring loaded as the should be - If I loosen the bolts the temp will rise, which indicates that there may be some issues with the connection between TEC and IHS. Another note is that I'm using Thermal Grizzly's contact frame. Mobo: ASUS rog strix z790-e with 2x16 GB Corsair Dominator 7.000 MT/s BIOS is set to enforce all limits and NO overclock is done, beside XMP1. The question is really - what idle-temps can I expect from the different modes? When playing Warzone(ULTRA all settings) the CPU/package is 95-100 deg??? This can't be happening! I have a ASUS rog strix RTX 4090 OC 24GB

[@SkatterBencher]

What is the CPU Package power usage during warzone? If it's 253W or higher, then 90-100C sounds correct because that's the limit of the TEC

[@trackero.o4745]

I am having the exact same problem but in my case I have the springs in place. And if I am cinsero with my other normal aguara block it had better temperatures than with this TEC Delta2. I think it is a bad contact also with the IHS. In my opinion, I am not satisfied with the results.

[@dvr1337]

I guess chilled water is even better in that case ?

[@runebdrim6733]

i bet yes

[@Djreversal]

Just curious.. I’m about to purchase components for a new build tomorrow. Is the Ks worth it over the 13900k? I see 6ghz happening on the regular K and just curious which way i should go. Not really worried about the cost difference. Thanks in advance!

[@SkatterBencher]

If you don't worry about the cost, then KS will give you better odds for getting a "good bin" that may have higher headroom

[@kineticninja7989]

what would be the best values to use when trying to overclock P-cores and E-cores with a lian li 360mm AIO?

[@larryhickman1202]

EK now supports Delta2 TEC for Intel 14th gen CPU.

[@SkatterBencher]

Right on time! :)

[@larryhickman1202]

@@SkatterBencher Are you planning on benching the 14th gen with the Delta2 TEC?

[@SkatterBencher]

Yes

[@shiil0h14]

Is this still viable and safe given the state of 13th and 14th gen?

[@4gbmeans4gb61]

Delta TEC is not designed for ALL CORE MAX frequency under heavy load, but it's intended for a lighter load like gaming and ONE CORE MAX boost. The TEC is not suitable for benchmarking with software like Prime95 which heavily loads all cores on the CPU.

[@Deltatwo3]

Ah I see you found out how to copy and paste! Nice! 🤙🏼

[@allaneskildsen1994]

So if you want a plug'n'play solution, where you get good and stable performance - you would go with OC #2?

[@SkatterBencher]

Yes, AI Overclocking is remarkably good these days!

[@myjameel88]

How was the process removing the vrm heatsings? Are they glue on, do I need special tools?

[@SkatterBencher]

No, just remove the screws and the thermal pads. No glue.

[@p.b.7603]

Hi, did you have any compatibility issues placing the peltier in Z790 apex? I plan to use that board for the next build so would be interested if any modding is needed. Kind regards

[@SkatterBencher]

I used the Z790 Apex without the VRM thermal for my test, so I didn't have the compatibility issues. For the ICC'23 livestream (kzbin.info/www/bejne/raSyiZZqgKqkgac), the EK Attila made the necessary modifications to the rubber gasket to make it fit. I didn't look into the exact modification, but seems like modification is necessary.

[@p.b.7603]

@@SkatterBencher Thank you very much for your reply. Much appreciated.

[@allaneskildsen1994]

How is the TEC controlled and which parameters? I know it is connected via fans and pump, but does the TEC software regulate on those. Furthermore, would a temp probe connected on the MOBO not be a good idea. I’m sure that I’ve read somewhere in the source material that the fans should run fixed rpm? Does cooling loops benefit from running full load on the pump all the time?

[@SkatterBencher]

TEC is controlled by the hardware controller included in the EK Delta2 TEC package and the Intel Cryo Cooling software. For more information on the specifics on the function, I'd refer you to their respective website

[@norkris8729]

hi, yey a asus 13900k oc! :D when i use Asus AI OC, i get very random max core vid for every boot, somtimes under 1,5v somtimes over 1,540v. do you know how to fix this?

[@runebdrim6733]

but i wonder if TEC can perform better with a delidded and lapped cpu, that's what i want to know, and liquid metal

[@SkatterBencher]

Lapped and liquid metal, probably. A delidded CPU would require a different cooling engine to optimize thermal performance.

[@Private-tsu]

I want to try this so bad with my 139000k, 4090, z790 rog strix F, and evga 3x360 I/O cooler lol. But i also dont want to mess up this expensive setup

[@noone5014]

Hi, did you use the rubber gasket? I can't fit mine to the Z790 board and it doesn't make contact with the IHS. I am contemplating using it without the rubber gasket but it's risky for condensation.

[@SkatterBencher]

For this guide, I used the board without VRM thermal solution, so the gasket fitted nicely. However, I did see other people with similar issues on the Apex board. On my 6.7G 13900K Apex board I had the VRM thermal, but Attila from EKWB helped modify the gasket so it would fit. Have you tried reaching out to him?

[@noone5014]

@@SkatterBencher Thank you for the reply. I emailed EK's customer service and all they said was to just return the product and have it refunded. Can you please make a video on how you modified the gasket? If not then it's ok, I understand you're a busy person. Thank you again.

[@StuartBoyer]

I thought the EK-Quantum Delta² TEC was not working right now for teh 1300 series and giving issues? That's the only reason I haven't got one yet.

[@SkatterBencher]

Issues in what way? The new software with 13th gen support released a couple of weeks ago, so since then it has worked fine.

[@StuartBoyer]

@@SkatterBencher I was unaware they finally released it. EKWB did not make any mention of it that I had seen and still only lsit it as working with 12th gen. Thanks for letting me know, now I can get one. By the way on the install my fans run on icue. Is installing the fans to the Delta as it instructs needed?

[@myjameel88]

How much do you think I can push my 13900ks with the delta 2 tec. I’ve got a 106 sp. but ambient temps can be as low as 18°C

[@SkatterBencher]

Hard to say as you'll only know when you actually try. But I think the overclock from this video should be ballpark what you can expect.

[@TheLiddokun]

100C at only 230w. $500 cooler literally worse then an air cooler with delid.

[@TonELowq]

Is the EK Delta² TEC compatible with 13900K? On the website its states that its only compatible with 12900k. Please clarify. Thx

[@SkatterBencher]

Yes it's compatible 👍

[@TonELowq]

@@SkatterBencher Great. Thx!

[@ameerkhan3257]

what happens when package power goes above 280W? Is it still more effective then a normal waterblock?

[@SkatterBencher]

Over 280W the CPU will thermal throttle down to a manageable frequency. Regular high-performance water blocks will perform better than TEC at extreme power, but TEC will perform better at medium to high power

[@ameerkhan3257]

@@SkatterBencher so if overclocking for all core performace, direct die cooling would still be better then the TEC? I mean at that point, wouldn't you be able to get a higher normal use oc with either direct die cooling, or a standard water block? Sure the temps would be higher in mid to high power loads, but not to the point of throttling.

[@SkatterBencher]

Correct

[@allaneskildsen1994]

@@SkatterBencher which conventional waterblok/system would you choose for i9 13900?

[@SkatterBencher]

I haven't tested any other water cooling than EK, so I'm the wrong person to ask for a recommendation I think :)

[@ArkenShromAbuser]

Can you do a Ryzen 5500 overclock video? 😄😄

[@Veptis]

So sadly, Intel didn't show any new Desktop CPUs today. And MTL doesn't seem to be high performance orientated or even allow overclocking... but I still hope you get to such an excessive tutorial for the 14th gen parts once they are out.

[@SkatterBencher]

I will definitely put out a bunch of 14th gen guides :)

[@Veptis]

@@SkatterBencher Intel just confirmed that 14th gen will not be supported by current TEC products and they shelved the whole project -.-

[@neoexm14]

Can you do a overclock guide with the ryzen 9 7950x with the rog crosshair x670e hero mobo pls 🙏

[@captainlooney4356]

Lol nice God-Tier 13900K, 122 P-Core and 98 E-Core with an 85 MC… I’m sitting here with a 110 P-Core, 80 E-Core and 73 MC SP… 😅

[@GoFasterHD]

6.5ghz thats crazy.

[@videocardzrule354]

He has a SP114 overall rated 13900K. LOL. That’s probably SP123+ P-Cores and SP100+ E-Cores. I have a SP110 overall 13900K my chip has SP121 P-Cores, with how good my CPU is, I imagine his is even better!

[@Martin_danko9207]

Nowhere in the video he actually shows he achieved 6.5GHz

[@SkatterBencher]

I show 6.5 GHz about 6 seconds into the video kzbin.info/www/bejne/rGW5aH-EaZ2godU

[@Martin_danko9207]

Haha, my bad, I guess I skipped the intro, sorry for that

[@SkatterBencher]

No worries, thanks for watching the rest of the video! :)

[@nedzed]

Technically it's still 8 core processor, rest of kinda mobile.

[@ramair325]

Thanks for sharing. I guess congrats on making a boosted benchmarking machine? that probably wont set any records and is really not very useful other than to say hey look at this pretty neat. and it is neat. its just way over complex to achieve desired results for what is effectively a non usable system for many if not all people. i guess for light web browsing the 6.5ghz might be nice? But testing stability on something like this is a nightmare and would take way to long and even then its only a guess as if its stable or not. i guess you could stabilize with reducing temps at each boost lvl to ensure stability but that could have negative effects on clocks. also the cpu is so limited by its cache/latency in many things this extra clock speed has very little real world uses like gaming or even video editing. put simply its all show with out the go. why? well because for starters almost anytime the ring is active its going to be talking to more than just 2 cores and boost will likely very rarely see any 6.5ghz boosting time. same with e cores enabled if the OS decides to use them it will lower the ring. The whole idea of e cores is just a waste of silicon other than marketing to help sell while saving a buck while ensuring customers dont get too much usable performance so they still have to upgrade sooner than later. I went with the 12900k on release because amd was no were close to releasing the 5800x3d. and i feel that was the right call. but make no mistake by the time the 5800x3d was release it was already reaching EOL. as the new 7000 series was just months away. the whole thing just stinks like rotten eggs in a manner of speaking lol. I love the idea of using a peltier for more performance but maybe a all p core or even all p + e core results would have been more interesting than the dynamic boost setup for regular use cases. But i guess thats pretty much a nothing burger too since scaling pretty much is non existent over 5.3ghz.