CORVETTE ZR1 VS MUSTANG GTD - NURBURGRING POLL RESULTS

[@jeffgough7712]

I don't know which will put down a faster lap time but the ZR1 is the way better looking car.

[@z50com]

Racecar drivers could care less how it looks, it's all about getting the checkered flag & trophy!

[@Tranceport913]

​@@z50comwhich Team Corvette Racing has been doing with great success since 1999 in the C5.R

[@Tranceport913]

​@@z50comthese are street legal road cars also btw so 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@slowazbmwkilla3073]

Ford is doing what bmw is doing trying to punch out of it weight leagues . It’s dumb how people actually tries to justify such a comparison. Ford are like bmw they punching in the dark

[@burgerbandit3646]

​@@slowazbmwkilla3073 Punching in the dark? You do realize how much of a monster this car is? The whole reason people are even comparing them are because they're closer than what most might expect. Don't forget Ford was the one who rivaled the brand Chevy was modeling the C8 after...

[@thomaskirk9341]

I'm a big fan of both, I've owned 4 Mustangs, including a Fox body Saleen and an S-351 Saleen, currently own a "not stock" C7 ZO6 manual and I'm currently on the E-Ray list after dropping off the C8 ZO6 list. I may be a bit off here, but for a 'Ring hot lap, I'm going with the Mustang GTD, even with its HP deficit. I've seen both cars in person, and I'm impressed with both, but the GTD is basically a race car you can bolt plates on, while even with the 1000+ HP the ZR1 is more towards the hypercar, street driver. I'd say if the ZR1 were to beat the GTD around the 'Ring, it will make up the time in the straights, while the GTD will lock down the sweepers and braking. That being said, I'm guessing that both cars will be well below the 7 minute mark. I will be nice to see some American cars kicking ass in Germany.

[@DaD-xx7vr]

K&N is still stock. Oh wait, you might have a cat back. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@happyness5293]

Me like u, with the Mustangs and Vettes.. I have a 2025 Z06..had a gt350 and a gt500.. The GTD has better weight distribution and suspension than a Gt 500..but I would bet the ZR1 takes it.. my Z06 way out handles my GT 500, and puts the power to the ground way better.. which I guess the ZR1 will have issues with, making over 1k hp.. we will see.. I just like seeing American cars kick butt on Euro Trash, and the attitude that goes with it.😊

[@blackberrythorns]

@@happyness5293 from the official press release: "Designed and engineered as a collaboration between Ford and Multimatic**, which developed the Mustang GT3, Mustang GT4, and Le Mans-winning Ford GT, the Mustang GTD represents the culmination of decades of engineering advancement borne from continuous learning through racing." multimatic is canadian.

[@Luke-cb3ly]

Both are amazing cars, in the fight between ZR1 and GTD the one who wins is the enthusiasts. GTD is more exclusive, basically a race car with license plates, ZR1 is an impressive Supercar that will still bother many European rivals. I can't wait to see the content you make with these two

[@RandyLamka]

GTD = Daytona 500 oval track race car ZR1 = LeMans style race car

[@mustang43058]

@@RandyLamka 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 tell us you have no idea what you are talking about without telling us...

[@63Imp283]

The GTD has to be way ahead of the Zr1 before the long straight, or it's all over for the Mustang

[@mustang43058]

@@63Imp283 nope... ZR1 has fixed aero while the mustang has active to reduce drag on the high speed straights. Then consider that the ZR1 weighs over 600lbs more than the GTD. The ZR1's power to weight advantage isn't very big.

[@nicklovely6431]

The zr1 is a hyper car. Top speed 233 was achieved with two people in the car. It's going to out perform the GTD and anything the Europeans throw at it outside of million dollar 1 offs. There is no competition for the Zr1. Price, daily drivable, comfortable it has no equal.

[@angel925100]

I’m a corvette person, but I think it’s going to be closer than we think.

[@bruceb44]

The Hennessey venom f5 has 1817 horsepower way more than the Corvette. However it’s Nuremberg time is 7:31. However the the Porsche GT3 RS has 518 horsepower and has a Nuremberg lap time is 6:56. The GTD is built to be a race car where as the corvette is a street car and that is the difference.

[@WindyCity1992]

The F5 never touched the Ring.

[@samholcombe3129]

The Venom is also a stretched Lotus Elise with the engine swap from hell, with top speed being its sole focus, not ‘Ring or any other road course times.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@bruceb44 - Very well spoken!

[@Tranceport913]

​@@Loulovesspeedyep.."Nuremberg" lol

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@Tranceport913 I never said Nuremberg - that was @bruceb44!

[@foranaffairs]

I think the GT3rs is a pretty good testament for what you’re saying. HP isn’t always king on lap times

[@WindyCity1992]

Can't compare Porsche times to those done by a factory showroom car in a few months time. Porsche spends extensive time their and also uses manthey parts in there ring record cars often times

[@bigjdm5460]

@@WindyCity1992😑

[@russparker1647]

The most interesting thing is how you, as hopefully owner of both vehicles , compares them. With your track creeds and unbiased opinion, I REALLY look forward to that.

[@whiskeytangohotel6624]

Ford: “we have the fastest Nurburgring lap time”. Chevy: “hold my beer”. Porsche “time for 992 GT2 RS”

[@nicklovely6431]

Z06 is already all over the gt2 and gt3rs. So I'd have to think the zr1 will beat anything stock Porsche, then we have the Zora still coming which will be all wheel drive but a bit heavier with 1200+ hp. What a time to be alive

[@ProcyonZED]

What was the best lap time on the ring for a Vett? Oh yeah 7 min 11 seconds, that is a lot of time to make up.

[@rglce25]

I can feel your passion and love thru the video and I'm here for it. I can always count on you for the newest news, numbers and specs of the hottest cars out. Thanks Austin. Keep up the hard work.

[@noahnajor2408]

ZR1 is no joke! Love the Mustang, got a fast one, but it's no ZR1 that we have today.

[@BruceDragon-sf1tr]

Because the Mustang is a muscle car bro, but the Mustang is on another level because it has stepped into the super sport cars world, the Corvette actually looks weak now. 🤷

[@TheWolfMatt]

I have 233 reasons as to why the ZR1 will beat out the GTD.

[@slowazbmwkilla3073]

@@TheWolfMatt cuz ford sucks, and theyr like bmw spend a whole lifetime to prove that they was never a competitor

[@slowazbmwkilla3073]

@@TheWolfMatt ford can’t answer Chevys calls . They just end calls immediately

[@HICMBALLS]

I have not yet seen this video. But I promise you the ZR1 is a game changer. And it's made for the track. 100 bucks on the ZR1. Any takers. Only if you haven't seen it

[@DannyMack100]

Good question. The ZR 1 has an insane top speed. I read that they actually gave it a softer ride. I know how a Z06 drives but know nothing about the GTD. i will give the Corvette the advantage but never count Ford out. Many made that mistake when they heard that Ford put the Echo Boost V 6 in the GT. I would still love to see a GT with a V8 wouldn't you? LOL Just because LOL

[@justincharles6585]

I bet Koenigsegg or Cosworth could fit a v8 in the GT

[@sandasturner9529]

Bro, I would love for Ford to put the 4.6 V8 into the Ford GT; either supercharged or twin turbo charged.

[@BruceDragon-sf1tr]

​@justincharles6585 but the problem is the engine will make everything to expensive to repair. Ford did it right bro

[@seanc6754]

I would absolutely love to see that but not "just bc".. I would want to see that bc that's what the original gt 40 had..the 05-06 Ford gt had one.. and who likes the sound of a v6 over a V8? The car lost part of it soul in my opinion

[@BruceDragon-sf1tr]

@seanc6754 Ford could also throw a straight 6 barro engine in it, Ford discontinued that engine but that engine was a beast. Or Ford could build a 4.2 eco boost engine and drop that in the GT *that might be too much for the competition though 🤣

[@terryshrk]

The issue with the Mustang ( as incredible a car as it is) is that it runs into the same ultimate limitations as the prior Corvette C7 did. Being a Front Engined Rear Wheel drive car introduces some serious limitations with traction on launch as well as total balance on tighter road courses. Sure,..front engined Ferrari's along with pre C8 Corvettes and Mustang and Camaros and lots of other front engined cars tried to compensate by placing the engine as far behind the front wheels as they possibly could within the frames of their cars,.but at the end of the day,.its the Lamborghini Miura and other cars which placed the motor behind the driver and over the rear wheels that showed what ultimate performance looked like. Having some type of active aero certainly helps but even under the best conditions its not going to cancel out both mid-engine architecture AND a 200 hp deficit,.LoL! Will the Mustang be FAST!?? Off course. Will the Ford be a brutal car thats fun to drive and experience? most certainly. Will it consistently have faster track times around tight road courses compared to the higher end Vettes?? Only if I am the one driving the Chevy,..LoL

[@Sean_Farmer]

My biggest concern with the GTD is its weight. If it's at least 400 lbs lighter than the GT500 is I would have full confidence in it being a sub 6:50 car. It looks like Ford is really confident in its abilities so I wouldn't be surprised if it were in that league.

[@BEBNC1]

It will weigh close to 4000lb. My early estimates were +3800lbs. It’s going to be heavy.

[@bigjdm5460]

That’s the number I’ve been waiting for. The curb weight, without that I’m not excited

[@bishrob345]

I am going with the Legend in the Making Ford GTD being the 1st American Car to break the 7:00 barrier at the Nordschleife

[@HaloJumpmaster]

Not matched up against a ZR1. Not in any reality.

[@mustang43058]

@@HaloJumpmaster may want to double check the specs outside of just horsepower...

[@blackberrythorns]

it's more canadian than american but whatever, lol.

[@uselessoutrage3301]

@@mustang43058 thats what im saying they think horsepower is king , not around a track it isnt

[@juanmontoya5331]

​@@uselessoutrage3301 is the gtd better on corners than the ZR1?

[@OCRay1]

The ZR1 will take it only if it has the high downforce package. It will be close though I believe

[@joddaley6510]

It needs the suspension too

[@HellcatDreaminJosh]

Speed Phenom Great Video I definitely agree that most of the people that voted on that Poll probably know little to nothing about racing and that weight might not be the determining factor

[@fancycavegaming620]

I would rather have a used gt500 than a $300,000 GTD. Of course I would daily the car, and go to the track like maybe once. I think the zr1 looks amazing, I wish they would put that hood and wing on the z06 or even a new wide body Grand Sport model with the base engine.

[@Loulovesspeed]

The Corvette has the HP advantage while the Mustang clearly has the suspension (handling) advantage. I'd love to see these two go at it at the 'Ring!

[@BEBNC1]

Incorrect. The C8 has an absolute superior chassis, weight distribution and weight transfer. It doesn’t have 700lbs in engine and heat exchangers up front. Ferrari and Porsche specifically target a 40/60 distribution. The s650 pales in comparison to the stiffness of the C8’s hydroformed chassis. It will take every single trick thrown at the GTD’s front-mid unibody to make it as compliant as the C8.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@BEBNC1 Sounds like you need some serious educating on the Mustang GTD! While The engine is front mid mounted, the trans axle rear diff. offsets it to a nearly perfect 50/50 dist. The ZR1 is a bit ass heavy at 39/61 dist. The GTD's mid pushrod actuated rear suspension, as part of a race proven tubular sub frame, and adaptive spool valve dampers, semi-active suspension setup at all 4 corners is far, far ahead of what the Corvette features! Multimatic has taken care of stiffening the chassis to handle the power and maximize handling characteristics of this race car built for the road. Actually, the GTD features enhancements that make it prohibited for sanctioned road racing standards! It is the most advanced suspension system ever put in an American car and 99% of Euro cars! READ ABOUT IT!! By the way, Multimatic Engineers built the race chassis for the Porsche 963 and their credentials are exceptional!

[@Grimmlocke]

​@Loulovesspeed I don't think you understood what he said. The ideal balance for a vehicle is not 50/50 it's closer to 40/60 maybe even 30/70. Many have said 42/58, others said as far as 30/70, but never 50/50. You don't know much about cars at full tilt, or through experience. Porches are a peach, and they sit between the aforementioned numbers. Their range toppers sit between 30/70 and 40/60. GT3rs is at 30/70.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@Grimmlocke I shouldn't have used the adjective "perfect", but for a fairly heavy front engine, rear drive car, 50/50 is far better than many front engine cars. It is helped by the mass of engine being located closer to the middle of the vehicle too. The GTD is technically not front engine as the engine sits behind the front axles making it front-mid engine and the trans axle in the rear. No, it's not a rear engine Porsche platform but it should out perform the GT3 around the Nurburgring. Let's wait and see!

[@tonepoem4438]

Full lap (Wikipedia) A full lap of the Nordschleiife, bypassing the modern GP track, is 20,832 m (12.944 mi) long. Most laps are completed 200 metres (656 ft) shorter for safety reasons. Full interrupted flying laps can only be done in closed sessions and race events like Castro-Haugg-Cup. Bridge to gantry (Wikipedia) During tourist driving sessions, the full main straight cannot be driven at speed due to the exit/entrance.These laps are usually timed “bridge to gantry”, which is only 19.1 km (11.9 mi). The lap goes from the “bridge” at Antoniusbuche to the “gantry”.

[@AB-coyote]

As a current C7 and S550 owner I’m rooting for the GTD. Mustangs are underestimated by a lot of people.

[@Tranceport913]

Well the hundreds of cars and coffee burnouts into crowds, curbs & trees don't help lol. All kidding aside as a Corvette fan and owner, the GTD looks to be a serious track weapon, and I applaud Ford/Mutimatic for producing it, respect.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@Tranceport913 Corvette is way more dangerous than Mustang, starting at behaviour at the limit and finishing with degenerate setup of electronic systems, that are trying to kill you. Though obv Corvette is different league and is faster (excluding GTD that will be the fastest)

[@302Mustang13]

​@@Tranceport913that joke super old dude. Lousy and overconfident drivers are who crash Mustangs, as well as plenty of Challengers, Chargers, Vipers, Camaros, Corvettes, Supras, and even Miatas.

[@Tranceport913]

Guess you Mustang guys missed the "all kidding aside part". Was a joke. Don't get your panties in a bunch. I'm a car enthusiast not a blind brand loyal fanboy. I have respect for Mustangs, GT350R, GT500's, GTD etc. I have Z06's, an R35 GTR etc. I like cars.

[@richardmodglin3900]

@AB-coyote Yes especially wirh the 2020 GT500 from the 2012-13 model. Many simply using the older model and assuming no difference but the hundred more hp. It was comical reading the comments after it was released.

[@BenjySparky]

Austin, you rock! Peace

[@jeremyhuglin8210]

You and Misha should have a pod cast talking more about since he has alot of experience in the ring

[@Newguy56]

I'm certain the ZR1 will out perform.

[@pdn0018]

Ford GT was laughed at because it was soo expensive with a EcoBoost v6.. yet top speed and maximum horsepower was not what ford was going for. Same for GTD.

[@JeffBronstein]

It wasn't built to make you happy, it had to be homologated to run in the class it raced - limited displacement. It OVER achieved its goal, winning La Mans - nobody is laughing now.

[@jeoffbenzos4959]

I'm confident the GTD will post a faster time. It has a much more sophisticated suspension, braking, and aerodynamics. It's also got a perfect 50-50 weight distribution (like the AMG GT Black) which is better than 40-60 in the ZR1. The GTD is a bit heavier and less powerful, but superior suspension, aero, braking and weight distribution makes up for it and much more.

[@mikedelape6609]

i dont see it, the ZR1 will probably break 6.50

[@samholcombe3129]

I just don’t see putting Multimatic suspension in a Mustang being that much better than GMs Magnetic system in a C8, 50/50 weight distribution is really great for a front engine vehicle, mid rear engine is a totally different animal that doesn’t benefit from 50/50 like that.

[@Loulovesspeed]

@@samholcombe3129 That's OK, you're not an Engineer like the Multimatic guys who built it!

[@bruceb44]

@@samholcombe3129magna ride is a off the shelf system that’s found in multiple cars and trucks. It’s good for a sports car but is nothing compared to a suspension specially built by race engineers. The coil-over-shock units that reside above the transaxle in the GTD is usually something found in a GT3 racing group or hyper car. Magna ride is typically found in a GMC Yukon.

[@samholcombe3129]

@@bruceb44 yep it’s the exact same suspension from a Yukon to a ZR1, I’m sorry if you’re feeling insecure about your favorite car going up against your enemy car. They will both be fast, just most people think the ZR1 will be faster.

[@blackberrythorns]

the gtd is engineered and built by multimatic, they also partly manufacture and fully assemble the amg one. they make the porsche 963 chassis. they do engineering on the aston martin valkyrie pro. they engineered and built the gt that won le mans and all versions of the road and track only cars. they build the gt4/gt3 race cars.

[@HaloJumpmaster]

So what. Multimatic also made the suspension for my car as well as verious other vehicles for Chevrolet. Pratt and Miller make the rear wing on my car, but that doesn't mean they 'built the car'. Just because Multimatic made DSSV spool valve dampers doesn't mean they manufacturered the whole car.

[@blackberrythorns]

@@HaloJumpmaster maybe you should look into it. they're an engineering and manufacturing company first, they have operations on 3 continents. there's a reason ford partners with them and a lot of other manufacturers work with them. the gtd is built in markham, ontario. the chassis (which gets modified), engine block and doors are sent to them...

[@JeffBronstein]

@@HaloJumpmaster so what? LOL! Dude, one is a race car the other is NOT! Since you already know which one I'm talking about .... there's your answer.

[@HaloJumpmaster]

​@JeffBronstein the GTD is an overpriced turd with a cheap plastic interior. Just like every Mustang ever made. To insinuate that the GTD is worth the 300K base price is an insult to every road racers intelligence.

[@CaseyCollier]

@@HaloJumpmaster You're making a lot of assumptions without any real evidence to back up your claim. Perhaps you should do some more research on the GTD before you suggest that it isn't built by Multimatic (it is, by the way).

[@MrStlvette]

The results will be very interesting, do you think the GTD would beat your 750S on a racetrack?

[@esordol]

power to weight is the measurement we need, not just horsepower and downforce (drag). both will probably be in the 7 min club which is good enough for any normal human

[@iramiyahira8301]

Both will have the rest of the world fall 2 notches down the Rings Pecking Order!!!😂❤😂😮❤😅❤

[@twissted1277]

The Corvette has a better weight for track use. Corvette already did what the Mustang is doing with the transmission in the rear of the car. C5, C6 and C7 are like this. They moved on to get more from the car.

[@cantbsdave]

The GTD is lighter

[@blackberrythorns]

@@cantbsdave i doubt that, the gtd will be about 3900 lbs.

[@JeffBronstein]

@@blackberrythorns inside info says it's 38 points heavier than the GT3-RS. Except for the doors and subframe the entire car is C/F.

[@blackberrythorns]

@@JeffBronstein i've never heard that it's basically the same weight as the gt3 rs. larry holt said it would be close to the weight of the gt500. it has carbon fibre body panels and some lightweight parts but it also has beefier parts, aero, a hydraulic suspension, bigger cooling systems, etc. they take weight out in some ways and put it back in other ways. it's not a light chassis.

[@CaseyCollier]

I don't think any of us really know that for sure, though. Ford hasn't released the weight of the GTD yet, so we're only really guessing at what it'll be. As far as the ZR1 is concerned, it's unquestionably heavier than the Z06, which is the more track oriented of the two Vettes. GM has specifically said that the ZR1 will have softer suspension than the Z06, which makes sense if what they're trying to do is make a better road car.

[@EGamer05]

I can’t determine which one is the best. Both cars performance are excellent.

[@samholcombe3129]

Sportauto ran it in 6:54.9 in a C8 ZO6/ZO7, the C7 ZR1 was over 10 seconds faster than C7 ZO6 with only 105 more HP and a little more wing, C8 ZR1 will be at least 10 seconds faster than the ZO6, but probably more like 15-20.

[@atomicstig2458]

Sport auto hasnt released the time yet

[@salty107]

I believe both will easily achieve sub 7 times.Thinking the zr1 will beat the gtd, but not by much.

[@z50com]

When will the 2 actually race against each other?

[@vulcantuminello1127]

As an avid sim racer (Fanatec DD1) Kunos recently added a Mustang GT3 to ACC based on the same chassis and its really difficult to drive, its extemely tail happy, and I main BMW's M4. Its literally undriveable.

[@londsler454]

Tadge said they did not need aktive aero.

[@nicholashall8498]

Handle is very important when going fast around corner I believe the ford gtd will have the best time horsepower don't matter if the tire can not turn well.

[@joddaley6510]

Albeit that vette will half to brake alot sooner so when the gtd catches up it maybe through a corner and into some twisted the vette can't handle as well. Unless they fit it with full carbon brakes too

[@samduran5180]

It would be nice to see the 2023 ZL1 stacks up against the GTD.

[@CoyoteAUS]

Still would love to have seen a Mustang supercar version with similar shape to a current stang but lower roofline slightly shorter from end and a twin turbo predator in the back with say a full weight of no more than 3400 pounds then it truly would annihilate every thing out there.

[@billyhndrsn4542]

That should be the Ford GT, the Ken Miles Edition. Ready to give everyone a punch in the nose.

[@CoyoteAUS]

@@billyhndrsn4542 yep but with a predator twin turbo in the back, wow what a machine that would be!

[@blackberrythorns]

@@CoyoteAUS ford may as well go all the way and build a mid-engine hypercar then. the gt mkiv already exists but it's track only. they could go lmdh racing and build a street version hypercar, i seriously doubt that happens though.

[@The-fs5wn]

Of course the ZR1 has a big advantage in terms of power, but as you have said and as I am about to say, is the ZR1 made for that power? Does it have outrageous amounts of downforce (1000 lbs or more at 150) to counteract the spin-out tendencies of such massive torque? No, it only gets over 1000 at around 200. Does it have advanced suspension geometry (SLA, pushrod, pullrod) to increase grip? No, it runs on the same struts as the base Corvette. Does it have DRS and ground effect to generate more efficient downforce and decrease turbulence? No, it has fixed aero and a flat bottom that generates almost no downforce. The GTD has all of the above, meaning it will come out of a corner faster and handle the exit better. Not to mention that braking as a front engine vehicle with much larger front tires will likely be better than the ZR1. The Dark Horse is already on par with or better than it in that regard, now imagine that but with stickier tires and a larger contact patch and more consistency. This means it will also come into a corner faster and brake later. GTD for the win. We'll have to see how it's engineering advantages affect lap times in the real world though.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

SLA is not advanced suspension geometry, it's basic suspension setup for a proper sportcars. Corvette been running SLA on all 4 corners for decades. It never used struts. Agreed with all other stuff, imo ZR1 would be highway pulls car.

[@gbmack10]

One thing GM has said is it's tested a lot of aero options and they said active aero wasn't any advantage over fixed aero. They stated active aero was only for aesthetics.

[@Tranceport913]

​@@gbmack10that's interesting as 1200lbs of downforce is alot. DRS/active aero would definitely let air flow more giving it more speed on the straights. 233mph for the low downforce ZR1.

[@johnnyrock852]

The ZR1 won't hit 230 with the track aero. It will probably hit near 210... so I think the HP difference may not be as a big advantage as one would think. I know the GTD looked more stable on the ring. It will be interesting.

[@tiersofemotion222]

I feel like the Gtd will have it on cornering. But, I feel that the zr1 will have better acceleration. It's not always about power when it comes to the Nurburgring.

[@BGmethod]

I don’t know anything so don’t jump on my neck but isn’t that C8 derived from a dominant race car? I think it will be close. The GTD was built for this tho. I think GM is waiting to release their time and don’t forget that they are working on one more version of the C8, that Zora may be track focused if they feel the need to put something down. I would keep it in mind. For my money, give me the Vette. I don’t even need a ZR1, not sophisticated enough as a driver to drive it or the GTD

[@lamareflanagan4001]

It would be a great battle, but when racing on the Nurburgring it’s about balance, with that massive wing and active aero might tip the scales towards ford

[@andrewwaxman2724]

GTDs nearly 50/50 weight distribution. Also the GTD had the Porsche GT3RS in it's sights not the Vette. The Vette is looking at the Ferrari and Lambo market. GTD is looking at the GT3 Series GT Car racing. Wayyy different proposition. It would be interesting to see the same driver in both cars in back to back hot laps

[@bbyevo8u]

Not even close... zr1

[@chrism869]

the gtd is more biult for the track

[@toomanyunlearned1]

More than what? Stock mustangs? It’s not more built for track use than a proven mid engine vette

[@JeffBronstein]

@@toomanyunlearned1 one is a race car, the other is a fast looking road car. It's NOT a Mustang.

[@CaseyCollier]

@@toomanyunlearned1 Eh, not really. The ZR1 is fundamentally built to be a road car and has softer suspension than the Z06. The GTD is built by Multimatic, the same people who built the latest generation Ford GT and GT3 race cars for endurance racing. If I had to pick which car I think would be faster around a track, I'd probably put my money on the GTD. Yeah, it's down on power from the Vette, but it has a far more refined chassis, suspension, and aerodynamic setup. I mean... the thing has DRS, so even though it'll probably be slower on the straights, I don't think it'll be by as much as some people are thinking.

[@metinakpinar9724]

Ford are commited to making it faster so I hope it holds true. Only time will tell. More power does not always equate to faster car

[@godsaveamerica2611]

The ZR1 should do a better lap time with more hp and being lighter. Which I would choose, it would be the Mustang because a corvette cockpit is not comfortable to drive in compared to a Mustang.

[@norwegianblue2017]

I think GM has been honing their engineering for a peak Nurburgring run much longer than Ford. The ZR1 is going to have a monster time, possibly close to the Porsche GT2 RS time. Hopefully they use a professional driver for a change.

[@markdupre4854]

I enjoy your videos, You do great research and have a lot of common sense. BTW, I would bet on the ZR1 being faster at the Nürburgring, but not by a lot, or Chevrolet would have released that info already. Its fun to watch the posturing of the manufacturers,....

[@hagantransport8977]

GTD definitely a better track car. ZR1 for drag obviously lol

[@HaloJumpmaster]

Bullshit. ZR1 is a track car. As in road racing. with over 200+ HP.

[@CER9]

not a drag car at all

[@hagantransport8977]

I’m not saying it is. I’m saying, if they were to drag race, the ZR1 would be better lol

[@scottschneider5866]

I watch misha a lot and so far the gtd hasn’t broken the 7 minute mark yet, but they’ve been trying , I’m kind of disappointed that they never released a c8 z06 lap time 🤦‍♂️, I own an 2018 z06 and I know it’s best time was 7:14 with Christian gebhardt driving, I drove my friends c8 z06 and it is heavier than my car but it does seem to handle unbelievably, I wish they would have posted a Nurburgring time with it, they will both be excellent cars, very hard to get, I do think the zr1 looks better though😂

[@Aacula]

Zr1 is cool but all its got going for it is insane power and top speed. Its sort of like buying a konigsegg, lots of road presense and power but not a great track car. I think the GTD is a much more serious and respectable car all around. More refined and more tech

[@Christo_1373]

So when has a zr1 not been track focused

[@jagers4xford471]

Not sure why GM thinks that sharp angular lines are better looking than smooth, elegant lines. The Camaro failed largely due to the fact you couldn't see out of it and it looked like a kids transformer. Hands down, the Mustang GTD. Beside the Vet looks old-school.

[@JackFox-n1o]

Corvette ZR1 not only has more horsepower plus it has the most advanced magni-ride suspension.

[@leofhr2966]

That's not saying much considering what the GTD has, did you do your research anyway ?

[@BluEyeDevil1]

Do you think dodge will bring back the Viper?

[@realtalk4689]

The problem with ford has been that they build to compete with what’s out at that moment and possibly win short term whereas others (in this case Chevrolet) build to win against what they project the competition will be putting out in the future. Example GTD versus ZR1, GT350R versus Camaro ZL1 1LE. The competition has a fast car that Ford eventually can compete with while that same competition is building something in anticipation of Fords build and beats it the moment it’s released by Ford. Ford builds to compete with now and not dominate with what’s to come.

[@sasquatchwithinternetacces2940]

Zr1 is a high performance tourer the gtd is a street legal race car. Two different goals

[@colecash4204]

I thought the corvette was crank horse power 1000+ and the mustang was 800+ at the wheels. They might be closer in hp than people think.

[@healeybob1]

I would add the Camaro ZL1 1LE in this mix as well. I am sure it would hold its own against these two.

[@realtalk4689]

Aero and power will allow the ZR1 to accelerate out of corners much faster leaving the GTD to constantly play catchup. On the straights that ZR1 will begin to widen that gap. Just watch the Mustang GT4 (or gt3) struggle to compete against Lexus and Porsche in the actual races. It needs more power and less weight.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

GT classes are all BoP regulated, it's irrelevant for an example ZR1 would absolutely be way slower out of corners and would have a hard time playing catchup on the straights, you got it backwards.

[@vulcantuminello1127]

And traction, engine is over the rear wheels.

[@vulcantuminello1127]

​@maximborodyuk3773 ZR1 with engine over the rear wheels will be slower than a Mustang? Yeah man, Mustang totally accelerate like rockets coming out of Cars and Coffee, KZbin is full of videos of the superior performance front engine RWD affords.

[@maximborodyuk3773]

@@vulcantuminello1127 it's not 0-60, buddy, GTD has way more downforce and pure mechanical grip. Engine placement is not that important up until certain point; downforce and mechanical grip is. KZbin is full of videos of people lifting off in any car. Naturally, there are more videos with one of the most popular sportcar than with say Ferrari - but still, there are many of them. You would yield even worse result lifting of after rear steps out in a mid engine car, but you never touched grass to know that, lmao. Stick to watching dragstrips, as you're obviously never been on a racetrack and probably don't even own a car.

[@trspratlen]

I read the GTD should weigh around 3300. Makes sense considering its all carbon fiber. No vette has ever run a sub 7 min time. If you are only looking at hp. You are making a mistake. 200 more hp is not a lot. Porsche proves that every day.

[@bridgetekcommunications332]

I don’t care what anyone says, the GTD is HIDEOUS looking. And nothing sounds better than a high reving twin turbo v8, except a high reving v10 or v12.

[@francisdrelling4060]

I'm thinking the ZR1 but that GTD is going to say otherwise.

[@905insane]

No, not really cause if you don’t handle it, don’t matter about the horsepower

[@voodoodiecast]

GTD lap time won’t be out until next year. Just hope Chevy doesn’t sneak in to the ring some time this year and attempt a lap time😅

[@arkhsm]

Just how much of the 'ring can over 800hp be used on anyhow !!

[@FutureGameLight]

the german race car driver of the zr1 on the ring said on his instagram that they will publsih the times in a month or so

[@fasttime823]

That was not the ZR1, he drove the C8 Z06 to set a timed lap for the Magazine SportAuto which should be published around the end of November.

[@sleeeper88]

I'd be curious about people making comments on if they have a z06 or have driven one on a track? I have tracked my gt500, a gt350, and my c8 z06 and the c8 is an absolute track monster, it is so good it makes you a better driver. The gtd will be world class for sure but it will really be hurt by the horsepower. Coming out of the turns hooked up you need all the hp you can get and this is when the zr1 is going to be mind bending. I'm getting the allocation at my dealership if they get the allocation and I'm sure they will so I'm a bit excited

[@blackberrythorns]

are gm doing an allocation process? i don't think so.

[@RonnieLeeDuck]

But what about the advantages of the GTD being supercharged. The GTD powertrain is based off of the GT500. It has been noted in the GT500 that the pull from 60-150MPH is crazy. I think that is all about the super charger, is it not? So I see GTD outperforming the ZR1 through the corners and then coming out of the corners. For the Nürburgring, that is mostly what it is all about. But that is just me theorizing on the numbers and observing the videos of both the corvettes and GTD on the Nürburgring. I have absolutely zero experience with these level of vehicles. But based on my eyeballs. the GTD looks almost freakish to me in the way it takes corners. It is as if the video is sped up.

[@richardmodglin3900]

What about entering corners? What about consistent momentum? What about the tendency to end up over braking from excess speed? More hp and speed requires more work for the driver but if the car is set up well and Driver knows how to best utilize the power advantage that's another story.

[@RonnieLeeDuck]

@@richardmodglin3900 Well, Any good driver is going to maximize the advantages a vehicle gives them. So that all the more makes my point. I think the GTD has the ZR1 beat in sustaining momentum through the corners. It's not to say the ZR1 isn't the better overall car. Especially for the price. But we are talking about the Nurburgring. I think there is a reason Ford specifically made a great Nurburgring time the center point of their marketing campaign for the GTD. This GTD looks custom built to have a great lap time on the ring. I'm doubtful the ZR1 is even going to try to maximize a fast lap time there.

[@nicklovely6431]

@RonnieLeeDuck NA in my opinion is always greater than a Supercharged engine especially if you live in the south.

[@905insane]

Chevrolet Corvette you lost your mind that’s like back in the day when I try to compare 50 to Nissan Z and it couldn’t be a disease so don’t worry about the Corvette right now

[@MrNufzed]

Down to Jockey. 99% of the rest of us can't get close to eithercars capability. And only real professionals can run sub 7 min lap times.

[@justinerickson282]

Zr1 even if it somehow loses to the mustang is 1/3 of the cost of the mustang for something that would be comparable. So ZR1 wins no matter what

[@nathanzavala6470]

The usual pricing excuse. The ZR1 will be mass produced while the GTD will not. That is the ONLY reason the GTD will cost so much more. So no, if the ZR1 loses, it’s just a straight loss. It’ll be slower and less valuable than the GTD. Now, that’s not to say that the ZR1 doesn’t have a good shot. I think they can be close, but don’t use fanboy logic. For either car, a loss will be a loss.

[@arj24z06]

Top speed should be the determining factor, so I would think ZR1 all day!

[@chrism869]

There's a lot more than just top speed

[@ericship8383]

@@chrism869nah there isn’t that’s why the gt black series is faster than the gt3 rs because it has 200 more horsepower and a better top speed than a Porsche gt3 rs

[@CaseyCollier]

@@ericship8383 I think you're forgetting something. The 911 GT2 RS MR is quicker than the GT Black Series around the Nürburgring and it has twenty less horsepower than the Mercedes. If horsepower is everything, then why is that the case?

[@chrism869]

@ericship8383 top speed is useless on a track cause you'll never reach the absolute top speed of the car on a track even on the nordschlife longest straight. Remember the hagerty vid the gt3rs was the least powerfull yet it still had the fastest time on track against the c8 z06 with more power. Horsepower isn't always everything

[@pole-star2118]

Easily the GTD will win. Way more downforce. More turns than straights on the nurb.

[@petrospago3515]

the GTD will obliterate the ZR1 in terms of lap times lets not kid ourselves the zr1 has more power but thats only gonna be useful in a drag strip not the track

[@raulsanchezjr4048]

The C8 ZR1 will destroy the GTD! Facts!!!

[@TheRealMcCoy88]

As a corvette z06 owner i will say that power is irrelevant when racing in any fashion other than a straight line. The GTD has every advantage over the ZR1 except for power. The GT3 Rs only has 518hp yet ran a sub 7 minute time so if power is your only measuring metric then theoretically the ZR1 should absolutely decimate the GT3 RS. To be honest whatever car ends up being faster, i doubt the time gap between them will be that drastic. At the end of the day neither car will come close to beating the AMG One's time 😂

[@vulcantuminello1127]

Having the engine over the rear wheels is a disadvantage? As a former C5 Z06 owner I concur, a powerful V8 in the front and RWD is superior......for doing donuts.

[@mrlh61]

Comparing apples to oranges. The question would be who has the fastest front engine versus rear engine RWD auto? Because coming would be AWD EV and so on. Slicks or street tire

[@bradleyfurer7847]

I wouldn’t necessarily want a car honed on the Nurburgring

[@mikeb9223]

I would say the vette being mid engine, balance

[@bobshowup2501]

The ZR1 platform is designed and built as a race car with features to make it road legal. The GTD is designed and built as a street car with race car features plus only car's designed with OUT back seats can be considered supercars which the GTD is not.

[@leofhr2966]

Your comment is all kinds of backwards chief, the GTD started off as a race car turned into a street car, the ZR1 is a street car turned into a race car. Also the GTD has no backseats, did you even bother doing any research at all ?

[@yamsbeans]

Me when the koenigsegg gemera isn't a super car since it's had 4 seats 😱

[@luasmartinez1262]

This is a silly topic. Corvette is a sports car, Mustang is NOT a sports car. If I have to explain the previous statement ANY deeper than that, then the person asking for the explanation is clueless.

[@MarcoJordan-v1b]

C8 corvette zr1

[@danielclark5170]

Any Ford vehicle that cost over 100k is beyond ridiculous, not even the ford gt40 is worth more than 100k.

[@Crooked_Clown]

The Corvette any day of the week. Mustangs don't put the power down efficiently. The front engine set up is too inefficient

[@sr90infinity96]

Guess you havent seen the zo6 new kap time😂😂😂 BEAT can beat that time in ECO mode 😂😂

[@sleeeper88]

This is almost a little funny, as cool as the gtd is it's not even in the same league as the zr1. Mustang just don't have the power. This is coming from a guy with a 1100hp gt500. When I drive my c8 z06 I can't imagine what that car will feel like with 400 more hp.

[@chrism869]

I feel like the gtd can put up a fight , even with less hp it should do well in the corners given the crazy areo it has

[@hagantransport8977]

You do realize the GT2 RS only has 700hp right? lol and it’s quicker than all but 2 cars at the ring 😂 power isn’t everything

[@JamesSpencer-f7u]

@@chrism869 The ZR1 with ZTK track-packing also has crazy aero. (1200+ lbs of down force at the rear)

[@DWH300]

You have it wrong. The GT500 is an excellent mustang but not even close to the GTD. Your problem is you only judge cars by horsepower ratings. The GTD is in a league of its own that's set up where the horsepower is matched for track use to the GTDs performance components like it's areo and Suspension. Not just quarter mile passes. the GT500 is a multipl purpose mustang but most decide to use them at the dragstrip instead of road courses. The ZR1 makes one or more passes to obtain a top speed of 230+ mph which is obvious fast. But no GT racetracks have straightaways where cars reach that speed. How many passes can the ZR1 handle that usage. I'll wait until the ZR1 is being used by owners. (Many will be kept in garages for investments) to see the ZRl used as a daily driver, in the drag strip and road courses. An example for my reason is the Demon 170 and its performance numbers obtained by Dodge being quit different than actual owners.

[@blackberrythorns]

americans can't think in any other terms than hp and straight lines, it's quite hilarious.

[@redtesta]

The mustang GTD says it will have more downforce than the porsche gt3rs which has a total downforce of 860 kilograms. The 2025 zr1 is claimed to have 1200 kilograms of total downforce. Ford has been vague in so many ways with the GTD. So saying it has more downforce than the zr1 , not knowing what it is yet the current gt3rs has a total of 860 kilograms , the GTD better have substantially better numbers than the porsche to get to the zr1's 1200 kilograms. Just watching the videos on both the zr1 and the gtd in the same sections on the RIng, the vette is faster and straight away long runs, the vette is going to pull it pretty hard. Also mix in the mustang's weight. They throwing around numbers but basically its heavier than the zr1 on top of it all.

[@brainwashed1542]

The ZR1 will handle just as good or better and Murder the GTD on the straights. The End.

[@CaseyCollier]

Eh, that's debatable. The ZR1 is supposed to have softer suspension than the more track oriented Z06. It will also have less downforce than the GTD, as well as not having active aero or DRS.

[@brainwashed1542]

@@CaseyCollier well well we’ll see on race day….

[@brainwashed1542]

@@CaseyCollier the C7 ZR1 had a softer suspension than the C7 ZO6 and it was still faster than the ZO6 around the ring… And?

[@65coupestang]

I JUST HOPE AND PRAY THAT THE GTD COMES OUT THE WINNER..THAT IS😁😂👍👍HMM..!!??

[@rovidbouski4022]

Aero, power and brakes gotta go ZR1

[@thekolt533]

The Mustang would have its hands full beating the Z06, the ZR1 will send Ford home crying questioning their existance!!!!

[@polishnightmare]

voice young bobcat goldthwait

[@joeyfunk4327]

theres a 0% chance that mustang could win on the nurburgring or in a straight line

[@WesWilliams95]

The mustang does weigh about 500 lbs less than the vette

[@WilliamOrtscheid-t5u]

Plus mustang rear wheel drive

[@308sniper3]

If they don’t tell the times it;’s because they didn’t reach the Hype level.

[@reggitrades2050]

Yea lowk but there’s no way they don’t

[@mikerodriguez556]

I like the looks of the GTD better

[@DaD-xx7vr]

Funny how people think the zr1 is so super powerful. My Foxbody sitting at 500 hp, without the Procharger, will blow a zr1s doors off. Watch Evan Smith in his project stocker. Let's see the zr1 do that. Corvettes, always overrated.

[@JeffBronstein]

Going to be a ton of butt-hurt Chevy owners... count on it.

[@mikedelape6609]

lol no way

[@JeffBronstein]

@@mikedelape6609 too late…. Lol!