Creator of Multiverse Rymus & Zeno’s relation explained | DAIMA New Lore analysis

[@Lordkeese_]

Remember when everyone thought the grand Kai was the top of the food chain? Pepperidge farms remembers

[@Yung.jamal_]

I thought the same thing until they made super 😂

[@hydroking619]

Pepperidge farms lmfao

[@justinb7740]

Lmao I remember when we thought king yema and king kai were top of the food chain 2 lmao. Much simpler times

[@Chespin_Master]

Remember when Kami was the top of the food chain?

[@Yung.jamal_]

@@Chespin_Master 🐐

[@thewackdoctor1993]

5:50 no because as we've seen with toppo you can become a god of destruction and not be born one so there has to be a different way

[@Eduardo-ll7eg]

Heck this isn’t even the only case considering how many times beerus suggests Goku or vegeta replace him so he can retire.

[@silverthunder639]

imagine a flashback of zeno and rymus argue about something since that era, and zeno decided to takeoff his anger on wiping out 6 universes. Whis vaguely told goku and vegeta about zeno doing that, but not all.

[@Vorianvallo02]

Nah I didn’t think daima was finna set the stage, this is too perfect for it all coming together. ITS CRAZY bc we wanted more fights but toriyama wanted more story before it got crazy, this is was we needed and didn’t know RIP THE HOAT

[@F7Coast]

I’m pretty sure that gods of destructions are just mortals chosen as gods not from a separate realms as they all look different.

[@NovaViper-x7m]

Yep, the clown GOD was from the pride troopers originally and knew jirens master before ascension.

[@pocketzade7191]

The grand priest turns them into gods

[@ralphtime]

It doesn’t explain on why they become connected to grand priest of their universe tho.

[@Authenticnerd123]

There is only one grand preist across 12 universes ​@@ralphtime

[@Solesteam]

​@@Authenticnerd123 They meant Supreme Kai.

[@utkarshsrivastava4101]

Akira San ensured toyotaro has enough content for the next 50 years by expanding the universe while he was around. Thank You Legend. RIP

[@silverthunder639]

6:06 it's likely shin didn't know about the destroyers in the battle of gods arc/movie was still fused with kibito and was the first time he meets beerus like with zeno. Also forgot to include here, the only one who knew about beerus and the destroyers, like the other kais and kaioshins, was the old man from 15 generations. The old kaioshin to make it simple since beerus sealed him in the z sword during that time.

[@MrEcko09]

Beerus was the one who sealed him?

[@silverthunder639]

@@MrEcko09 yeah, he mention it in the battle of gods arc

[@kurtwong8222]

Angel's vs Demon's War in the future sounds like one very good idea!

[@JOJOSPARKING15]

Your videos just reached 1k

[@brandonvasser5902]

Demon realm invades mortal realm. Angel realm comes in and tries to bring balance but also might destroy everything. Creation and mortals exist as some nephilim offspring of the angels and demons. It sounds alot like the Diablo franchise lore.

[@YEthanT-N]

I think destroyers are chosen

[@ASH-ut1vp]

Duh

[@JushSam]

Les go cosmic lore and hierarchy expanded

[@hagnat]

5:50 _"so far there is no word of a realm where the gods of destruction come from"_ arent them their own universes ? When Vegeta asked Vhis to train him, Vhis only accepted if the prince would try to become the next Destroyer. On top of that, Toppo veers to be the next Destroyer for Universe 11.

[@dwightnorton3398]

Great episode

[@RogerKabir]

What's funny is for years now. I've been saying that zeno was a god of destruction, and Grand Priest is his angel. I was wondering who the supreme kai of the multiverse was. I literally called this years ago when they introduced zeno. I love it when I'm right.

[@xrafaelarcade4473]

I'm surprise shin knowns about the creator but when it came to Zeno he did not even know who he was in the anime whe Zeno is first introduced shim asked elder Kia who he was

[@ransmerperez3102]

yah when zeno first appeared after the match of u6 and u7, old kai, beerus and whis are the ones knew zeno

[@4xuro]

shin didnt know zeno since daima is before the events of super

[@firionkaiser8291]

​@4xuro Yeah but the point is that he knows a being who's is debatably higher or on the same level as Zeno. It's still weird.

[@k1ng2fresh]

@@firionkaiser8291its weird he was taught his peoples history? Zeno doesn’t really play a part in anything unless you get the job of a god

[@firionkaiser8291]

@k1ng2fresh Supreme Kai is a God of Creation, so he is a god. Given every other Supreme Kai knew about Zeno, it's still weird. Again he knows a being who presumably precedes Zeno and is most likely linked to Zeno in some way.

[@FireQueenMyra]

Gotta love DBS HYPE

[@Donatas-rp5yf]

Amazing😊😊

[@ganoloth1929]

When you think about it, Zeno and rymus are like ying and yang like. By order, demons are supposed to be the destroyer but instead become the creator and gods that supposed to be the creator becomes the destroyers.

[@jovaughnlaing7171]

I'm waiting to see how the glinds became connected to the god of destruction and is Zalama also in one of the demon realms?

[@WillofDivine]

I like to think that Rymus is Zeno. Rymus being the mature elder persona that then transforms into a more childish version that is Zeno, which then could transform into a baby or a cacoon which has no interaction with the universes which allows for potential chaos in which Grand Priest may be tied up with taking care of the (Now 2) infant/cocoon versions of Zeno/Rymus until it Transforms back into Rymus to re-establish order. They have practically the same color scheme as well so I thought that they could just be the same being in different stages. Basically a backwards aging kind of thing.

[@BlackWarlock10]

It must even be taken in consideration that while Rymus and Zeno share same pattern colours, Rymus has pointy ears while Zeno has round ears. If they gave us a lore about species with pointy ears like namekians and glinds (and many others) coming from the demon realm they could even give a lore about species characters with round ears like Frieza, King Cold, Hit, Jiren, Bibidi, Babidi and even Zeno. Also, Bibidi and Babidi have some connections to demon realm due to having a reputation and being notorious even though they have round ears and only species with pointy ears inhabitating the demon realm. It could be interesting if they will explain the connections between round ears characters like Bibidi and Babidi and pointy ears characters like Abura, Dabura, Marba, Arinsu, Degesu and Gomah and even between Rymus (pointy ears) and Zeno (round ears)

[@randomperson3119]

Yeah I just noticed that Bibidi and Babidi have round ears, so they can't be from the Demon Realm

[@chibuezeokorie1749]

This probably means there's more universe than 18, but can't really believe that unless next episode explains who rymus more, and mayber zalama (hoping yumoshi lore)

[@MasterRitsta8664]

Just to be clear, destroyers are mortals that are chosen to be gods, and shin didn't even know Beerus

[@abdulsamadfaisal306]

My question is what's the role of zalama in Dragon ball universe

[@xvleonel]

Maybe the first namekian

[@hameedafarheen1437]

Kalama created the super dragon balls

[@hameedafarheen1437]

Zalama created the super dragon ball

[@nOT_sURE08]

Aren't gods of destruction originally mortals that were trained by angels? Whis considers Vegeta a candidate, and then there's Toppo's situation.

[@aaronrodgers9202]

Correct

[@Myticalcattnip]

The new lore that grand kaioshin was higher than an actual grand GoD, that mean gohan power was indeed so powerful because he tap in his power from creation directly

[@arnavkumarsinha]

And people say DAIMA is like a filler series 🗿☕

[@pokegameryt8756]

They are just haters. Ignore them

[@bangtanarmy1185]

It couldn't be filler as Akira toriyama created it himself Those people are just haters

[@marca8368]

Ironically, Super is now the filler series Trolliyama attacked once again

[@Mystic_Magirano]

Nah bro, the moment we got the Kaiōshin relation to the demon realm, we were in for a good series with some interesting lore and insight

[@anubisgravatate7544]

Why would that be they are clearly disrespecting Akira toriyama

[@mlpkillers6293]

Zeno, is the brother of Rhus! Now it makes sense to me.😁

[@anonymous-tg3rr]

That makes no sense. You can clearly see Zeno and Rhymus each belong to different races. Zeno has round ears and Rhymus has pointy ears.

[@disturbed157]

This is a separate continuity until we're told otherwise as far as I'm concerned.

[@keplerr]

Yeah this makes total sense, also Gomah is the leader is the Pride Troopers. If you look Gomah wears the same outfit as the Pride Troopers in episode 15 we’ll see how he created the Pride Troopers

[@keplerr]

Btw I’m trolling 😭

[@marca8368]

Comparing with Yugioh, Zeno is Nitemare and Rymus is Zorc. One came before, by the author and the studio. But then the author made "alone" his version and that's what became canon. Super is now the "beta version" for the lore of Daima

[@Piccolo_167]

Nice vid bro

[@Babatunde_69420]

Didnt even watch it clown

[@Propangolin9491]

W man❤

[@sumireokamura]

I think Rymus and Great Priest from Zeno 2 wonders where their Zeno go.

[@burkettnathan822]

Bruh, the big bang being decicted as the cosmic accident.

[@Kanerudo]

I think they'll sooner or later find a new Glind Tree to save their species

[@01Danni10]

6:04 Or maybe Shin doesn't wanna spoil Goku and the others about the God of Destruction cause it might break Super's Continuity!? 😂

[@savedbygrace4535]

Actor: Can I cry now?!👍🏾 Director: Go ahead but Its coming out of your cut,...I've got film to roll!😅 I really thought I was the only one who cared about such things..🕵 now I don't know whether to pee or cry but either way some fluid is comin out! "Say it don't spray it".. Cuz we all know when there's a fight involving vegeta, you might just holler..😂 I've been sniffin around it like a hound since learning hierarchy(beerus,zenny)😅 and I noticed everyone has foes but the angels, and zeno has no real background story soo hey ho..! I gotta admit dragonball is, once again, giving their fans a very merry season..😅👏🏾

[@phoenixj1299]

This sounds very similar to the myth if Asuras and Devas from Dharmik traditions. Where Asuras and Devas coexisted peacefully but overtime Ausras got corrupted and they did bad things. They were termed as demons later.

[@DaFonse-l6o]

Some parts of this don’t make sense-for example, a demon lord “ordering” a God? That seems off, especially when you consider how everyone treats Zeno. However, things start to make more sense when you factor in a piece of information from an interview with Toriyama’s pupil. He discussed the storyline during the episodes where Lord Zeno erased Trunks’ timeline. The pupil explained that when he spoke to Toriyama to better understand the story, Toriyama stated that Zeno is absolute-there is no one above him. Additionally, Toriyama mentioned that when Goku returned to pick up Zeno, Zeno had been contemplating how to rebuild everything he had erased. This means that, according to Toriyama, Lord Zeno is not only the most powerful being in the Dragon Ball universe but also has the ability to create and erase entire universes. Unfortunately, this implies that Goku unknowingly interrupted Zeno from reconstructing the erased universes. When you consider the possibility that Rymus could have been Zeno’s father, it aligns with what Toriyama shared with his pupil. However, there’s still a mystery to unravel: Trunks’ Zeno and Goku’s Zeno are not the same. One is right-handed, and the other is left-handed. This raises the question of whether there are timelines with alternate versions of Lord Zeno and how will this affect the lore.

[@gkedits12-r]

its greatooo

[@Officialyellowpikmin]

Nice vid

[@Babatunde_69420]

U aint even watched it bot

[@mralir.s3711]

Remember what Beerus said that before creation comes destruction

[@PikachuODST]

Crazy the angels support destruction and the demons aid creation.

[@deionpehowdy]

Could This Mean Zeno is part Majin?

[@pokegameryt8756]

Maybe

[@draebenjii3057]

Could be, the term majin pertains to a lot of different races in the Deamon realm only those with pointy ears are considered to be demons everyone else is just considered majin

[@THELIGHTKNIGHT_2025]

Cool video bro I get it Majin Raimus is basically Zeno's Dad

[@One_disorted_individual]

That hasn’t been confirmed

[@TheLaron2006]

​@@One_disorted_individual it will eventually

[@One_disorted_individual]

@@TheLaron2006 Raimus will most likely turn out to be some false information given to the supreme Kai because in super he didn’t even know who zen oh or even the gods of destruction were

[@MrEcko09]

It's obvious to me Gods of Desatruction are selected from mortals in a universe and trained by Angel to become one, as seen with Top.

[@v.PANDA.v]

It make sense if Rymus is the dad of Zeno bc Zeno its like a Kid and kids love destroy toys 😅

[@arsh3938]

Biggest question What about angles I think there is another realm named angle realm from where meerus came

[@randomperson3119]

Well yeah, that's what the video said

[@haruhisuzumiya6650]

Secondly that The multiverse is essentially Midgard Secondly we knew about the existence of Frost demons via Frieza but theres something that is unknown is Frieza an denizen of the demon realm? And zeno being an chaotic child explains a lot though angels in the realm above realms leaves further questions

[@WiiFan-1300]

5:39 IS THAT BIRD THE SAME BIRD IN DAIMA’S OPENING 👀

[@Foreignmogul]

Agree with most of this. The only exception is this idea of demons vs angels. It’s been proven both divine groups are good (with the demon world having a few “bad” actors). I also think Gods of destruction of chosen not assigned from a specific specie or realm. So what if it turns out Zeno was chosen from rymus’ Mahon clan? One other question I have is what this new lore means for the grand Kai and his direct reports. Also dikaioshin? How was shin selected to be supreme Kai when he himself had a boss (Daikaioshin)

[@marumarukira]

NO. The reason why Shin didn't mention the " God of destruction " is because it will mess up the initial narrative introduction of beerus! How is it that BIG YT missed this part every single time!??

[@fatdurk7934]

Um no its cause shin doesn’t know of beerus existence until he wakes up in bog. Old kai literally had to give him a history lesson on who beerus is.

[@marumarukira]

@fatdurk7934 yes. You are right and this proves more point why GOD of destruction cannot be mentioned in Daima around Z fighters. Otherwise it will loose it's narrative structure. Having Goma and arinsus party discussing this would make more sense and hopefully insert Moro in there.

[@solomonogbe-d9x]

Problem is Shin told Goku and co about the multiverse, that alone contradicts dbs in a big way

[@marumarukira]

@@solomonogbe-d9x Exactly. I wished they had kept these conversation outside of Z fighters. This way we get more screen time from the villains. Arinsu, Marba, Goma and Neva would be the perfect narrator for this.

[@killjoy362]

They messed up sonce introduction beerus goku waa suprised kai splitted from his helper. The fact they unfused now already retconned

[@Ma1n033]

What if the Angels are aspects of Rymus split into different beings watching Zeno? Just a thought

[@Gibb1997]

Actually you guys!!! Why Shin didn't mention about the Gods of destruction and angels is that he literally has no idea about the gods and angels. As you can see in the beginning of the dragon ball super only the old supreme kai knew about Beerus but not Shin. And also in the universe 6 and 7 tournament saga as you can see when Zeno appeared in front of them, Shin didn't know who Zeno was. You better revise the episodes!!!

[@arsh3938]

Bro I have a theory like zalama was also a namekian and he made super shenron who recreated 7 universes what if zalama made super shenron with combining or taking powers from Rymus

[@PikachuODST]

Weird the angels support destruction and the demons aid creation.

[@ygdon3077]

A demon isn't always bad in Abrahamic religions all demons are bad but in Chinese and Japanese culture a demon is basically a supernatural being that can be bad or good

[@anonymous-tg3rr]

I don't think there's a race for Gods of Destruction. If you look carefully, the Angels is a race and the Supreme Kais. But the Gods of Destruction are made up of different races because anyone can become a God of Destruction. Jiren's partner Toppo that fought Vegeta was a candidate for God of Destruction. I figure that Zeno pertains to his race but earned or was appointed the position of God of Destruction. Not that his race is God of Destruction. Other than that it makes sense for Rhymus to be the Supreme Kai of the Multiverse....

[@Mazzarin9]

perhaps the grand priest was prepared for such war and trained zeno as a weapon against the demons

[@gilzineto]

what I dont think makes much sense is how, Rymus was the creator of the multiverse, the top deity... and yet he was ordered by the Demon King of the time?! This would have been way more impactful if they didn't make the average demon as week as they had back in the Buu, with Dabura being at the same level as perfect cell... Whos in charge then? The demon kings are in charge of Rymus, or is Rymus in charge? Is he bellow Zeno? None of it make sense!

[@Zacian34]

It is very simple rymus is a majin which means that he/she comes from the demon realm and the demon king at the time was a good person so if that demon King told rymus to create the multiverse in order to expand the demon realm, rymus would obviously do so since it would benefit the demon realm that he or she comes from, plus the demon king was good and did not have bad intentions, so rymus would have no reason to refuse, it's not about being ordered and it's more about rymus trying to improve the home he or she came from.

[@aaronrodgers9202]

What I'm curious about is what happened to the future zenos grand priest? He just erases the future time-line and moves to the current time line presumably leaving behind his grand priest angel rofl

[@aaronrodgers9202]

It also leaves too many other issues for example if the future Zeno just left his post so to speak then what happened to all the other universes he was supposed to be watching over? He erased future trunks universe but there should be many more so are they just a bunch of universes now without a Zeno? What about his attendants? All the other angels, destroyers, Kai etc. That's the only real hole that bothers me with the future Zeno thing

[@fadhlurrakhman7210]

So, is zeno also a super majin?

[@12305814]

Theory time. Remember how namekians can fuse into one? What if that's how they escaped the demon realm? Think about it. There seems to be an issue with space when it comes to demon "planes." Hard to imagine a plane big enough to ship an entire race. The Glinds aren't very numerous. In fact, we've only seen a handful in U7 alone (most of which were killed off by Majin Buu). But Namekians are quite numerous. So numerous that they're spread across the entire Multiverse even though we've only seen U6 and U7 namekians. So picture this, all the Namekians fused into one, in order to escape the demon realm, with the exception of Neva, of course, since they had to oversee the demon realm dragon balls. We'll probably see Neva explain more in the episodes to come. Or not, lol. Anyways, this being that emerged from all the remaining Namekians fusing could possibly be the Dragon God, Zamala, the creator of the super dragon balls....maybe. Again, it's a theory. Love to hear feedbacks.

[@TKing-ql8vn]

Why Y'all confused ? Rymus created Multiverses only inside a Demon realm not in the realm where the Lord omni King Zeno Resides 😂😂

[@randomperson3119]

The Multiverse is outside of the Demon Realm

[@ritorapid]

Aren't Hakkaishins appointed from mortals who have ascended to God Status???

[@pressurefrmtheraw1072]

That would make sense. Let his son rule all his creation

[@ykSphinx0_999]

And yet people say DB has no story/bad writing compared to other anime’s 😂

[@FN10-x6f]

I think Dragon ball super will give us information about the angels as goku unlocked the angelic power of ultra instinct I think in Diama Goku is going to unlock a power more connected to the demons in Diama

[@norapper6182]

Zeno is at the top the food chain that not even the top the food chain knows he is

[@MarekPlacek-be3lp]

Remember that in DB children are stronger than their parents

[@yummyhydra0047]

I know he doesn't have pointy ears but is maji kayo (blue gooy guy from the ToP) a majin?? He reminded me of buu

[@mardrikusavant7675]

Very good and also there's demonic angels as well so it would make since to have demonic destroyers so I believe they have they own universe or timeline which they exist they don't exist In the Nirmal demon relms as we seen so far so the demon king is not the strongest by far

[@electrobob992]

Rymus is most likely the Creation God to Zeno's Destruction God status. Of course people in the multiverse of Dragon Ball would refer to Zeno as the higher body, they FEAR him. Get him mad and he'd just erase you, Goku was the only one to not directly fear him.

[@randomperson3119]

Same like Beerus vs Shin (or the old Kai). Beerus is more feared than Shin. Thus, he's put in a higher pedestal by Universe 7

[@Makirow_Vibe]

My below theory about the complete God hierarchy and the multiverse creation is worth the view. Please read to the end. I suggest that Zeno, and the Angels, demons and Rhimus existed long way before the creation of the universe. I strongly believe that In the beginning, before the creation, of the 18 universe, they exited 2 major realm, the Angelic realm and the Demon realm. Both realm were contrary and opposite to each other. And in Each Race, There exist a king, giving an account to a supreme being. In the demon realm, the king was the demon Lord, giving account to his supreme being Rhimus, meanwhile in the Angelic realm, the king the angels realm was Daisginkan, giving accounts to his own supreme being Zeno. Then the demon king then purpose to his supreme being Rhimus to create the multiverse so as to extend their territory, which he did. This led to the multiverse in Total control by the demons. As a result of this, the multiverse was in chaos, until came the Race of Angels, a composed and discipline race. Looking the way the demon realm control the multiverse wanted to take it away from them and create a better world. then came the Angel Race, being a disciplined and well behaved, did not like the way the multiverse was controlled by the demons and as a result wanted to take control of the multiverse. This act by the Angels resulted to a conflict between both beings, but the Angel Race where more powerful than the Demon race.as a result the demon had to submit to the Angels ruling strategy. Both decided to come together and agree, with the more deciding race being the Angel due to their immerse power. I'm 100% sure Zeno the supreme being of the Angel, and that Daishinkan their king, submitte to, was playing the role of destruction, that explains why the Angels were composed and well disciplined due to the destructive nature of their supreme being who will immediately erases or destroy any being in this case angel that doesn't behave, holding Diashinkan responsible for their actions. Also I'm 100% sure Rhimus the supreme being to whom the king of the demon realm answered to, played the role of the creator. That explains why the demon realm has many areas, almost like another multiverse or universe, dispite their harsh and rough ways of life. They never seem to run out of planets despite their cruel ways of living. Seeing this, the Angel then decided to create and assign a god of destruction for each universe to play the role of their supreme being zeno, hoping to bring about the same discipline Zeno had shown them, that why they also assigned an Angel to each god of destruction to guide them to prevent them from misusing their powers and for performing the role Zeno performed on them while he was their supreme being. The demon also suggested that a being from the demons realm will having the power of creation just like their own supreme being Rhimus should be assigned to each universe, to play the role of rhimus. These being are call Kais. After each race contributing their ideas, ZENO who was the supreme ruler of the Angels realm, nor become the Ruler of all 12 multiverses with Diashinkan the king of the Angels answering to him only. From my theory, this suggests the following 1) Why the Angel realm and demon realm are not in part of the multiverse created by Rhimus 2) Why although Diashinkan although seems to be stronger than Zeno, only answers to him and carryout his orders. 3) this also explained why angels were spared from the universe erasure as they are not original part of the multiverse 4) that's also explains why some angels exist in the Angel realm and where Angel return too if they had no God of destruction to supervise 4) it also explains why each universe compromises of an angel, a god of destruction and God of creation inorder to play the main role Zeno played in the angelic realm and Rhimus played in the demon realm. What do you guys have to say about my story.

[@WiiFan-1300]

Zarama still has to be higher. Higher than the whole god/angel balancing order.

[@theadventure3046]

Frieza race is originated in demon realm his race called frost demon frieza base form has a horns.

[@gwilikerzzz]

Zeno brought back all the universes he took out. So he obviously can create

[@Ricky_DaGoat]

Bro super Shenron did that

[@scythesworld]

I was hoping that we would get answers about zalama creating the universe but with a different db lore we'll prob know nothing about him

[@raphael8463]

Zalama is the creator of the super dragon balls not the universe

[@PlaygroundMafia]

Did rymus become the golden dragon?

[@solomonogbe-d9x]

Basically Just SDBH then,

[@riponkarim3181]

I think zenio is the strongest among them all because he is omnipresent, omnipotent and omniscient

[@randomperson3119]

He's not everywhere at all times. He's only seen destroying things, not creation. Lastly, he's not all-knowing. So, no

[@majinrebornx2220]

Would Super Majin Rymus not be the first Kai? Similar to how the Grand Priest is the first Angel?

[@sushamakhatavkar-mule253]

Abura is scared of first super saiyan God maybe?

[@Shiwam707]

According to dargon ball z kai and super and mangas it clearly showen that demon realm fighters are too weaker than angel realm

[@lynxlive555]

mr popo prob related to supereme demon king

[@mlpkillers6293]

Good Sepreme Demon King. There is nothing wrong with that... besides a demon and good in the semtece.😂😂

[@ygdon3077]

Demons in different cultures can be good or evil Abrahamic religions have messed alot of things up

[@animhaxx]

Creators and destroyers are different

[@lordnecrotis5517]

This is why I hate it when a spin-off series takes place between existing timelines. They’re learning about the multiverse and everything here, yet in Super everyone is surprised when it’s introduced. OMG, there are other universes?!!

[@mlpkillers6293]

Excatly. This can't be allowed to be cannon.😊

[@fatdurk7934]

No one was surprised that there are multiverses. There surprised there’s stronger people in those universes

[@solomonogbe-d9x]

@@fatdurk7934 in dbs they where supprised

[@chi-townkakarot6582]

so Daima is cannon?

[@marlo4363]

I thought anybody could become a GOD OF destruction if they meet the qualifications and are selected ? for example toppo he’s not some godly being but he’s a candidate to become a G.O.D even though he’s a mortal Also beerus is always asking if goku or vegeta or trying to take his spot I’m not sure how it works guessill wait for the explanation

[@Gabrielmichael19]

the guards are the attendents not grandpriest thats why they travel with zeno not

[@bryantbrown107]

⚠️Supreme Kai is the counterpart of Lord Beerus⚠️ 🤔Old Kai’s counterpart is who ??????????

[@naniarjun906]

Makes sense, even super shenron and big planet sized dragon balls could be creation of some namekian leader from demon realm 🤔🤔

[@jeroenvdw]

My guess is that the old Namekian his real name is Zalama, the creator of the super dragon balls. I mean he's really old and very powerful...

[@mlpkillers6293]

And Zalama isn't probably from the demon realm. 😂 Not everything is... maybe I don't know heaven!?😂

[@jeroenvdw]

@@mlpkillers6293 from my understanding everything was created by a deity from the demon realm, including heaven 😂

[@x-waseem-xw-x6478]

You are wrong Gods of destruction came from normal creates like toppo And some mortals stronger than god of destruction But angels not clear from where they came yet And no evidence that demo realm not first realm

[@JayDuuubb]

And yet he was "ordered" by the demon King to do the creating. So is he just a tool?

[@darkfall0209]

We have never seen Zeno creating and universe but destroying. And super dragon balls are undo the acts of Zeno that's makes super dragon ball more stronger than Zeno and ultimately makes the creator of the super dragon ball stronger than Zeno so may be rymus was the one to create the super dragon balls

[@childishhipster52]

Can the demon realm be destroyed?

[@norapper6182]

No hell no lol

[@datualiomar3333]

Daima and super have different story Just like Gt and super

[@GetRekted45]

Thought Rymus is zeno's father