Drinker's Chasers - Doctor Who Ratings Failure: Loses 250K Viewers

[@clumsyturtle8544]

Remember the Van gogh episode where the actor cast looked as close as to real life. Good times.

[@thelittlehobbit4698]

It was like looking at Van Gogh himself

[@leewhite2195]

I remembered that fella from being in This Life.

[@stevemccann4166]

He would be black now but still only have one ear to fit the disability criteria.

[@biggusdickus5986]

​@@stevemccann4166probly the opposite he would have 3 ears so people could be sympathetic for a diverse persons disabilty. Ear Ear Ear.. I says. 😂

[@DragonZord979]

That was such a good episode. It had me crying by the end. What a fall from grace since then

[@garysmith9823]

Dr. Who was started as a way teach history to kids. The people who created the show must be rolling in their graves.

[@erloriel]

Pretty sure the creators of this silliness would be happy about it. Remember that they are also very happy about statues being torn down and streets renamed. The history that happened, is unacceptable, therefor it must be changed.

[@6581punk]

Now it's about rewriting history to reinforce left-wing identity politics.

[@AVIARYCOURT]

​@DorisDay-lw4xsSydney Newman,Waris Hussein.

[@Whalewraith]

Rolling like a drill bit.

[@clangerbasher]

Remember the BBC televised Horrible Histories which is revisionist woke shit.

[@rodpanhard]

Have you noticed that "colour blind casting" only ever goes one way.

[@Iam-still-noone]

🤔 u mean Fusi Yamamoto got no shot in his auditions 2 play Shaka Zulu

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Remember the shit storm when Emma Stone played that Hawaiian chick in whatever that movie was?

[@DerekGoveDesign]

The only time I can think it went the other way was when Colonel Tigh in Galactica was played by Michael Hogan in the reboot.

[@Gloops01]

I remember when Joseph Fiennes was cast as Michael Jackson, and there was so much wailing that Sky pulled the episode and it never aired.

[@sigmacademy]

@@darkhighwayman1757 I don't know which one is funnier - the fact that nobody knows the movie you are talking about, or the fact that even you can't remember what the movie's name was.

[@RetroRespawn]

Given that originally Dr. Who was intended to be an educational adventure show, in which The Doctor met people from Earth's past so that viewers learned about it, this revisionism is particularly sinister.

[@Old_Scot]

Also RTD stated last year that "Doctor Who was always Queer", when we all know it was a children's show and the Doctor was essentially asexual. That why everyone could project what they wanted onto him! It was RTD himself who created the relationship between Rose and the 10th Doctor. The Doctor's relationship with his companions was essentially paternal or avuncular; in the case of the First Doctor he was literally a grandfather!

[@hope-cat4894]

​@Old_Scot And asexuals are still part of the LGBT community, so RTD is the one who erased a character's sexuality, not the fans.

[@Old_Scot]

@@hope-cat4894 I wasn't thinking of asexual as an identity - to be honest, I didn't know it was. I was more thinking of the Doctor as a non-sexual being that children would feel safe with.

[@Durwood71]

@@Old_Scot In "The Aztecs", the First Doctor playfully flirted with an attractive Aztec woman and accidentally became engaged to her when he served her hot chocolate, which was apparently an obscure Aztec courtship ritual. There was a certain unstated attraction between the Third Doctor and Jo Grant. Her last episode, "The Green Death", made it clear that he thought of her as more than just a friend. There was a romantic undertone between the Fourth Doctor and Romana II, which was most likely the real life romance between Tom Baker and Lala Ward coming through in their characters. So even in the classic series, while the Doctor was largely disinterested in the fairer sex, he was not wholly disinterested, and not once did he show even a passing romantic interest in a person of the same sex. So contrary to Davies' proclamation, the Doctor was never queer.

[@barongerhardt]

@@Durwood71 Your examples are correct and IIRC the granddaughter was left to find love with a human after a cyberman invasion. Personally, I prefer the position that the doctor may look human to us, but is not even close to it. Asexual in the human sense of not being interested in sex isn't right. It is more of a not even the same species (man looking at a chimp) or the great age (looking on a small child). One could observe behaviors, and mimic them for influence or blending in but engaging further is disinterest to repulsive.

[@loosecannon6852]

My son grew up watching Dr Who. on DVD/Netflix. He used to dress up as the 4th, 10th and 11th Doctor when he was 6, 7, 8, 9 etc. He loved it. He did not like the 13th Doctor. Never finished the first season. He watched this new special with Tennant hoping for a reprieve. He was PISSED. He's only 15. I kept my mouth shut prior, having heard it was awful. I let him make up his own mind. His reaction was unambiguous.

[@mosespray4510]

I think your son's generation is going to save us. My son is 13, and he feels the same way.

[@Peter-ex9ve]

A young man of Culture and Disernment. I wish him well. As for Dr What, the new show is nothing to me, plenty of good old episodes to watch.

[@twisted_nether373]

@@mosespray4510 That's 2 people out of many millions. Talk about parental bias lol.

[@michaelhansen8959]

The young generation see this bs too. TG I've gain a little hope today. This has to stop

[@kennybeard4654]

Why do they RUIN EVERYTHING!!??

[@kdog3908]

Because they don't truly know how to create anything.

[@mistydolphin2524]

Because they can't create anything worth while, so they feel the need to ruin everything popular to try and make themselves better by default. SPOILER ALERT! IT DOESN'T WORK!

[@eddiebruv]

To stick it to YOU.

[@GigglingStoners]

Not to go to grim on you, but it's because they hate the western civilization and white people.

[@keithmcdonnell3082]

They are sick people.

[@volrag]

Was I the only one who was surprised to find out Doctor Who still had 250k viewers left to lose?

[@rammy3879]

They are averaging about 4 million viewers per episode this year loool

[@jonbaxter2254]

Less than Coventry...

[@ShatteredGlassUnicron]

​@DorisDay-lw4xsFrom what I hear, that's what the first episode got.

[@endangeredspecies8441]

@@rammy3879really ? I’m surprised it’s that high.

[@solomani5959]

Shocked! Shocked in say 🧐

[@taudvore259]

So much for the BBC’s mission to entertain and educate. The first is always subjective, but the second isn’t. History is objective truth, it doesn’t change depending on who views it.

[@narniaphuket]

Subjective*

[@maddlarkin]

Apparently the BBC's mandate is now to re-educate us from wrong think and who decides what's wrong think... they do!

[@bigduphusaj162]

​@@maddlarkinThe Pea Dough file racket BBCs mandate is to grab another tenner per year from an old person struggling to heat there house as they are frightened by the letters they send them. BTW an easy way to stop them sending letters is to send them back with your fecies on them. They stop right away trust me

[@sigmacademy]

"History doesn't change depending on who views it." Yes, it does. The fact that you have people who FLAT OUT believe that white people were even the FIRST (or ONLY) colonizers is so bizarre, because anyone who has studied history, knows how common invasions and occupations into other countries were, is proof of that. You also have the issue that in any war, the person who wins and the person who loses have VASTLY different versions of the same events.

[@whenpigsfly8178]

The BBC is now like the Taliban x 1984 by George Orwell. They blow up cultural artifacts, seeking to create a new Eternal Now, where the Party is always right. There's barely a hairs-breadth between the two main parties in the UK, making them the Party by default.

[@wraithx7]

I'm black/African American and I will tell you that historical figures SHOULD NOT be racebent/race swapped.

[@indiajohnson]

Ditto.

[@kentoncrosby6796]

I'm black as well and I feel the same. People would be pissed if they swapped Harriet Tubman for a white actress so why race swap white characters for black ones. If you're not gonna tell black stories fine don't. Don't give black people a historically white character to make them "feel better".

[@themadmattster9647]

I complained about it ten years ago with films like Exodus Gods and Kings, and complain about it now. I also complained about reboots/remakes well before they went "woke". If something is shitty, it should be complained about, regardless of the politics or what's involved. it's all still ran mostly by old white cis males anyway, and in many cases, they're pandering or virtue signalling in a PATRONIZING way. This Doctor Who thing makes me sick,

[@veganconservative1109]

It's all part of The Agenda: destroy the knowledge of history. One of the reasons for the destruction of monuments and statues. These days, I would not trust a digital history book. You want actual history, you'll need to go back preferably last century and find an accredited author. Or watch Forbidden History. Great history channel. Gives no f*'s to The Agenda.

[@andrewclayterman6230]

@@kentoncrosby6796 I'm waiting for a remake of shaft staring the guy from Napoleon Dynamite

[@undrcovrmallard1463]

"We remember history how we WISH it was" Is so fucking dystopian holy shit.

[@sigmacademy]

It's even more funnier because it's being done by the same people who were saying "my culture isn't your costume" just a couple of years ago.

[@Hiraghm]

it's not just dystopian; it's narcissistic. It presumes that they are superior to those who came before, with no more proof of it than shinier toys built with the tools discovered/created by those previous generations.

[@michaelhansen8959]

​@@Hiraghmyes and that's the message of this woke filmmaking. Pretty scary to me

[@intuitivealchemist]

To quote the doctor himself, from Classic Doctor Who, when the writing was actually quality "You can't rewrite history! Not one line!"

[@AVIARYCOURT]

By Terrance Dicks and Robert Holmes for instance!

[@intuitivealchemist]

@@WTFViewer A great moment! But we heard it from the First Doctor here at 1:03: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qYGyf2V5f7uIbpY - it's an awesome callback because shows how unstable 10 was when he did that.

[@Kip450]

@@WTFViewer William Hartnell’s Doctor said in the serial “The Aztecs.” The context is that one of the first companions, Barbara Wright, tried and failed to get the Aztecs to abandon the practice of human sacrifice. Incidentally, this serial had the Doctor accidentally get engaged for the first time.

[@DJ-LD]

The show, after that point for more than 50 years: *rewrites history.*

[@StarWarsomania]

@@DJ-LD Oh, just shut up. No, it didn’t. The Doctor literally was shown that he *can’t* change history. First in Pompeii, then on Mars. Just go back to your little gremlin hole and seethe

[@Hollyclown]

Imagine your taxes going towards running a franchise on life support.

[@kinggg376]

its about programming the cattle

[@taterboob]

They're being subsidized by Disney now too.

[@MisterFluffyBags]

Imagine paying TV licence because of the BBC in the first place when there's nothing on the BBC worth watching.

[@blatherskite3009]

You'd need to imagine it, because the BBC is not funded by taxes.

[@crazyralph6386]

Canadian here. Our tax dollars went into producing Robyn Hood 😂

[@05Rudey]

I bet Jack the Ripper and Hitler will always remain White if depicted in these shows.

[@ptonpc]

Of course.

[@Specter-Mr1]

So will Tarzan

[@Snake-ms7sj]

Yep, villains that are white never get race swapped.

[@1969Risky]

Jack the Ripper and Hitler will most likely be humanitarians in these shows

[@squatchfromearth4076]

​@@Specter-Mr1I wanna see a black Tarzan just for the meltdowns

[@ohsweetmystery]

"Every record has been destroyed or falsified, every book rewritten, every picture has been repainted, every statue and street building has been renamed, every date has been altered. And the process is continuing day by day and minute by minute. History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right.”

[@thisisnotachannel]

1984

[@Langley_Ackerman19]

That's dangerous. We are bound to repeat history when we don't know it. Already happening If I dare say. Not looking forward to civil wars/global wars but at this point it's inevitable.

[@richardhockey8442]

the contemporary Ministry of Truth/BBC hard at work in support of the diverse Orthodoxy

[@jakeisthedoctor2308]

Good passage from 1984

[@svenjonsson9]

A disturbingly cogent quote.... : (

[@StarWarsomania]

I remember being SO hyped for the 50th anniversary special. I watched it live on simulcast despite the fact I had to basically plan my whole day around the weird hour it aired for me. David Tennant would be back, we hadn’t seen him for 4 years! I didn’t even know this special would be airing until a few days before, and when I found out 10 would be back I had about 5 seconds of hype before asking myself “how will they Ruin him now?” and it killed any interest in watching. I can’t imagine what I would have told 2013-me to convince myself that my interest in watching any new episodes or movies in ANY of my franchises is completely dead.

[@andrewshaw1571]

Think the 50th anniversary got double the 60th's viewing figures on the night, not counting that the 50th episode was released in cinemas alongside the tv release.

[@DJ-LD]

Nothing, because your past self was apparently better.

[@StarWarsomania]

@@DJ-LD No honey, my franchises just weren’t being taken over by woke activists and terrible writers yet. Mind you, Star Trek had already been eaten in 2009, but I thought that was an outlier. I had no idea how bad THAT franchise would get, either.

[@DJ-LD]

@StarWarsomania hey other people are going on woke alert. no need to be one of the people doing the alertness.

[@andrewshaw1571]

@@DJ-LD With respect sir, there's no need to be one of the people spreading toxicity either. People have opinions, its clear you don't respect his given you aren't addressing it, only trying to imply he should stop saying it but there's no need for you to do any of this. He gave his opinion, you entered the conversation by saying he's become a worse person, he tries to defend his opinion, not hurling insults back and you simply dismiss his opinion and act as if he's in the wrong for saying it when your only contribution to the discussion at that point was to simply insult him. It's quite clear on the face of it which of you is using his time unproductively.

[@tylergoodman3560]

For all the Dr. Who fans who have to watch their show fall apart like this, you have my condolences. 🎉

[@clogs4956]

I have my Tom Baker Dr. Who DVDs, but thanks for the condolences.

[@richardjones7984]

I stopped watching it when they made him trans. Woke crap.

[@itzaclownworldnow696]

Watched the first one with my pa growing up , watched the new run up to capildi with my wife and really frustrated that my son won't being watching much further

[@ozgerm]

The decline already started slowly in the Matt Smith era. Was very gradual but then accelerated at warp speed. Very sad.

[@MrX-zz2vk]

You DON'T "have to watch" it. You don't have to watch anything.

[@sethkaicer319]

It's not about money it's about sending a message, everything Burns 🥵

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

God this movie really predicted a lot

[@lostsock9852]

2:25 Children in the USSR were taught that Soviets invented or discovered everything from penicillin to TV. Come the opening of Glasnost/Perestroika, they began to learn how much of what they thought they knew was built on lies. Some handled it better than others.

[@sigmacademy]

Weren't they also taught that capitalists were the source of all evil (and Soviet people's hardships and problems) in the world?

[@DJ-LD]

How the fuck are they talking about Russia of all things in a supposed rant on doctor who?

[@kingcosworth2643]

@@DJ-LD It's pretty obvious, the act of lying to the masses to further an ideology... Both communists and the BBC are really big on producing propaganda. Surely you can see this if you just squint a little.

[@elone3997]

@@DJ-LD The point was about propaganda. If you get to hammer a message home early enough, it tends to stick around until you (hopefully) see things for what they really are.

[@LeonidSaykin]

Well, from a certain point of view, Soviet inventors reinvented and introduced the technology into the Soviet Union. We didn't care about Western patterns.

[@dritzzdarkwood4727]

BBC: "We're showing history as we wish it was instead of how it actually was" Joseph Goebbels: "I like your way of thinking!"

[@Avenuewriter]

I'm reminded of Rich Evans' quote: "How does it feel to have lived long enough to see all your favorite franchises go down in flames?" It feels great...

[@CaptainTitforce]

There's not much in this world that doesn't remind me of that quote anymore.

[@KorriTimigan]

I can't figure it out, how do they have the clarity of mind to realise that the show had tanked so they needed to bring back the writer and actors who represent the show's peak, but then resolve to keep the writing exactly the same? It boggles the mind.

[@YouTubecanbitemyhairybanger]

Listen to what RTD has always said. He always wanted it to be this but thankfully the BBC put the brakes on it. Now Disney are financing it the gloves are off with "the message"

[@bigduphusaj162]

the left are willing to drive everything into the ground. They are in complete denial. Also i want to see the stats on child abuse and the abusers political leanings. Seems to be 99% leftists funnily enough

[@dlewis9760]

Bait and switch. They draw you in with the familiar.

[@thecaptainseye]

To be perfectly honest, last week’s episode Wild Blue Yonder is an episode brilliantly written and excellently acted. The infamous Newton scene and gay Doctor implication still don’t ruin it, like they did in the Star Beast. However, the more conservative KZbinrs aren’t entirely wrong -aspects of the show have become so preachy and heavy-handed that it hurts the immersion and feels distracting

[@DJ-LD]

​@@thecaptainseye I'm going to guess your comment might get deleted just for being positive about something the channel runner doesn't watch and just reads about just to hate on it.

[@skurge101]

RTD is keen to make it less 'Doctor Who' and more 'inDoctrination Who'!

[@Armoured.Goomba]

Yeah got to groom and brainwash them kids somehow.

[@skurge101]

@Jamie_Pritchard be my guest lol

[@mattnar3865]

I already wasn't watching Doctor Who but now I'm gonna not watch it even harder

[@DJ-LD]

Sums up this this whole channel and comments pretty well.

[@maddlarkin]

Okay lets put RTD's return to Doctor Who in a little context, episode 1 got 5.08 million, epsidoe 2 was down to 4.83 million. These figures are pathetic, this was Russel T. Davis's return to the series, he got the most popular doctor with his most popular companion, it's the 60th Aninniversary, he loaded the deck as much as possible in his favour and he cant match the previous specials. This was the return of Tenant for pities sake! And he didn't miss by small margins, End of Time, flat 10 million, Waters of Mars 9 million, Planet of the Dead, 8.4 million, The Snowmen 7.6 million (all figures were the non-consolidated). I guess it doesnt really matter what message RTD was looking to spread becuase at this rate no ones going to be listening to it

[@Old_Scot]

To be honest, it was the pre-show publicity that put me off watching it. And I watched it as a child in the 1960s and 1970s, then stopped at the 6th Doctor, then picked up again in 2005 and watched it right through, even when it annoyed me.

[@TheZodiacz]

@Jamie_Pritchard yes, down to 4.62 million- in a Regeneration (sort of) episode!

[@thepenguinpalpatine4887]

Each episode had about 7 million viewers when including the iplayer, viewing patterns have very much changed! Blindly comparing it to 2005-2009 figures when the TV landscape was so different is a flawed method of looking at it. Also when considering audience share it is in line with 2005-2009 and the figure of 7 million is well above many episodes even in season 4. The three specials, while definitely flawed have brought the show back to life and work as a pathway to a soft reboot for ncuti which i Honestly cant wait for.

[@maddlarkin]

@thepenguinpalpatine4887 Well, I took the unconsolidated figures as those were all that was out for the most recent episode, if you want to take the consolidated into account then up the figures above go up to between 10 and 13 million so at 7 it's still well short of where a show in it's position should be (and there is the issue Nerdrotic menrioned with those figures that a 1 minute view on iplayer still counts) I do agree it's no an ideal method, but the figures taken are for on the day views in both cases, situations are comparable to the first Doctor Who special as the show had been away on hiatus for a period of time, honestly following the not great 1996 movie the situations are very comparable, if anything this is more favourable with retuning favourite cast and a shorter break. As for the change in viewing habits, that needs citation, Iplayers existed since 2007 and although KZbin has risen as a primary competitor TV as has streaming, people will make the effort to specificallt tune in for a show IF they are intrested. The Major change between 2009 and now really is On demand recording and +1 viewing, with things like Sky which honestly I assumed was included in those figures. General viewing trends should be less of an issue with these sorts of Specials, if you want to see something you'll make time or record it (I can only speak personally but I avoid Iplayer where I can as it's a pain in the ass to use so would Ondemand record a show I wanted to see but couldn't watch at the time) but even the 7 million figure is down on even the low end of the day 1 figures of precious specials and far below there consolidated, thats far more indicative of a apathetic, unintrested audience who dont value of the IP enough to make time to watch it than any particular change in viewing habits.

[@thepenguinpalpatine4887]

@@maddlarkin all well said, what I would also have to bring up is that its quite unfair to compare these specials to past xmas specials and season 4. Of course the show was never going to go back to its popularity in season 4 and the oncoming specials, I doubt it ever will. Excluding that peak of popularity, most seasons were in the range of 7-8 million viewers, with capaldi going below this in two of his series. With this context, the specials come across as far more of a success. With all 3 maintaining about 7-8 million overall viewers, the viewing figures are all relatively similar to seasons 1-3 and 6-10, which imo should be considered. The absolute outliers are the xmas specials, wether they were good or bad, generally because viewing figures on all channels tend to be at a peak around that time, It will definitely be interesting to see how ncutis xmas special pans out. Generally as well casual TV audiences are just no longer in a lot of these figures due to the sheer amount of choice and the coming of streaming and various other platforms. Going back to RTD1 many viewers would simply be flicking around channels is a way to put it i guess. Less choice inevitably means youll have a greater share of general audiences. Sure the same can be said for strictly come dancing which is what dr who is being compared to which regularly had 10-14 million viewers, something that is unheard of now. I would consider the new specials to be a success because although ive seen many people in these comments in particular, probably just due to having similar takes to those in the video which of course they are perfectly entitled to, the general fandom seems to be satisfied with how the specials panned out, even though the star beast was a rocky but still fun start, which is what needed to happen and it achieved it. Its laid the groundwork for the show to become more relevant again. Even now, its the most ive seen the show being discussed since Matt Smith ended so in that regard it has to be considered successful. I apologise for being slightly incoherent at times here I can definitely see that, I havent gone back to edit most of this, but the figures are used were researched. I dont know how I became so invested in this aha, who dosent love a wee bit of online debating at the end of the day

[@gregsmith7949]

The Doctor should be like Sean Connery in "Highlander" where he cautions Connor against getting romantically involved with anyone, because everyone you form a relationship with, even platonic, will grow old and die while you live on. This was touched upon and very poignantly in "School Reunion" were the Doctor reunites with Sarah Jane and she gets so emotional because she's gotten old but he has continued to regenerate into younger versions of himself.

[@Hiraghm]

That's pretty much the only modern Dr Who I've watched. I never knew about the Sarah Jane Adventures (being American, I guess), so when I flipped channels and saw... oh, new Dr Who?... and then I saw my Sarah Jane... I nearly burst into tears. In that instant I loved her as much as I ever had in the original. Yes, the new doctor was very different from Baker (the last Doctor I watched). Nothing against the 5th Doctor; I just always saw him as Tristan from "All Creatures Great and Small" (The actor who played Peter in the Narnia movies reminded me a lot of him, actually).

[@freeport48]

I'm so happy that we can still watch the original Doctor Who, which is what I'm doing right now. From the beginning. Dr. Who pretty much ends with Peter Capaldi and that's pushing it. Considering that's where the fall began.

[@RedWaveGraphics]

I liked Capaldi but yes, Dr. Who died when he left.

[@dlewis9760]

@@RedWaveGraphics Died during his tenure. The stories were horrible.

[@FonceFalooda2]

@@dlewis9760 I'll defend "Heaven Sent" forever. Recently voted the best episode of Who ever, full stop. Do NOT skip it. :)

[@FonceFalooda2]

There are only 13 Doctors, including the War Doctor. All the rest is a "Jacob's Ladder" Fever Dream. 13 and done. Like the Prophecy foretold. ;)

[@thecommentor2619]

The fall started with Smith and moffat. Capaldi was a good enough actor to make the fall stylish, then it died. Now it's undead.

[@wolfranga8477]

I hope someone makes a movie about martin luther king and cast Mark Wahlberg for this role.

[@mistydolphin2524]

I'd turn it into a slapstick comedy purely out of spite for these assholes.

[@joshwillis2879]

Or one where Ryan Gosling plays Barack Obama!

[@shawnmcdaniel435]

I was thinking that Margaret Cho is a better casting choice.

[@svetlanaandrasova6086]

Worst part is reading people on Twitter praising all of this as if it was Tolkien quality writing

[@Thetravelproject]

Agreed

[@bigduphusaj162]

Even Elon wants them off his website😂 No joke he wants these leftist echoers out of dodge

[@OUTTA-TYME88]

Of course it's Twitter. Twitter and tik tok isn't the rest of the world. It's not the flex they think it is

[@andrewmclachlan4242]

They know the show has degenerated in a steaming pile of woke crap! it's called "Copium!"😂😂😂

[@leonais1]

Three part series: first part ok dramatically but very woke, second part good dramatically but a bit woke, third part is such nonsense it's not even worth a critique.

[@PhialSubstance]

"If you misrepresent history you can't learn from it". I rather think that's the point.

[@British_Rogue]

It rewrote one of Douglas Adams' episodes for the Fourth Doctor. The Fourth Doctor sat in the tree above Isaac Newton and threw apples at him. Upon successfully hitting him, the Doctor jumped out of the tree and explained gravity to him.

[@RealityCheck6969]

And they ridiculed Newton's experience with the apples. The spaceship caused tens of apples to fall on him and hitting him instead of one apple giving him an inspirational thought. It's blatant disrespect and ridiculing.

[@stevewhite3424]

There is very real discussion whether or not Newton was the smartest person who has ever live. Tto see him ridiculed by such childish and small intellects is ......disturbing

[@richardjones7984]

In reality it is a racist hate crime against whites.

[@Adorni]

The guy went to a different planet, built an empire, lived for a billion years with life-expanding tech, created a giant fate-altering machine, and then watched that planet’s armies start butchering each other alongside a Japanese high school girl while her boyfriend rode dragon armor to a giant crystal and blew everything up. So yeah, I’d say he’s pretty darn smart.

[@StarWarsomania]

@@Adorni wut?

[@xxthevampirate]

Honestly I expected Newton to be a white guy that got pelted with apples and a black guy really came up with gravity and newton just stole it.

[@dacatindahat8275]

Haven't watched dr who since Capaldi left. He was an ace.

[@KorriTimigan]

For me the last episode was Heaven Sent. The Doctor's companion is dead, he escapes captivity after billions of years, and he finds Gallifrey, thus fully closing the Time War arc which started in 2005. What an awesome cliffhanger to end on.

[@thecircleoft.e.d2121]

He deserved better material to work with, I know that much.

[@DJ-LD]

It's at least getting back on track or a groove.

[@dacatindahat8275]

@@KorriTimigan Yes! That was an amazing episode!

[@TheThinkingPhilosopher]

It’s incredibly saddening to see such an impactful and long running show go down in flames like this… I still remember that Van Gogh episode. That’s how you represent historical figures.

[@Valarien777]

A classic episode played by talented actor.

[@danieljames500]

i was thinking about that episode when they mentioned isaac newton being "different" and was thinking dang they used to be so good at this

[@MattExzy]

It's really the only way to these types of episodes. This type of 'changing history' makes the suspension of disbelief nigh on impossible and easily takes you out of the show.

[@sarahb.7175]

I don't even watch Dr. Who and I saw the scene where they take him to the museum to see his work and I'm like 🥹.

[@jamescarr1265]

Vincent and The Doctor was a devastating episode. I cried myself to sleep after watching that brilliant episode.

[@EvilDoresh]

History is about _learning_ , not about _feeling better about yourself_

[@livefree6455]

The real Black Panther was really white. My grandmother told me that it was absolutely true. I'm totally looking forward to the white Martin Luther King docudrama.

[@SylverWWA]

If you think race swapped Sir Isaac Newton was baaaad, wait until you see the latest episode of the " " " 60th anniversary trilogy " " "... the lore of Doctor Who is now broken beyond repair.

[@ptonpc]

I refuse to torture myself that much. Thank you for taking one for the team.

[@YouTubeCensors]

Spill the beans, I'm never watching the show ever again anyways

[@DJ-LD]

What bullshit you spouting now?

[@InReserveProductions]

​@@reverse7503No, he had his time fifteen years ago, we're past that. People just want good writing in the show again like when Tennant was the Doctor not him specifically.

@@reverse7503 Only hared core fan girls wanted him forever, the rest of us wanted good story telling and good characters. None of which woke writers and so called "creatives" can provide. This is bad fan fiction level crap and I should know as someone who spent years reading fanfics online and spent more time searching for quality than some trashy self insert crap fest that makes even the infamous My Immortal look good by comparison.

[@ThatDarnRedKhezu]

They dag up the Doctor's corpse and violate it in front of us calling it 'art'. Let the show rest in peace!

Yeah this crap is like that South Park episode where the boys go to watch Indian Jones, and sadly it keeps happening to multiple heroes for so many.

[@wayneharding6594]

Surely the decendents of Newton should be able to launch a law suit with the BBC for misrepresenting their famous ancestor. The whole thing just stinks and I am glad I stopped paying my TV license years ago!

[@LawfulBased]

We know that these *VERMIN* who we call the Woke'sters, do not do this for inclusion or "representation" or anything. They do this out of their pathetic, lowly hatred for white people. So this should be regarded as a hate crime henceforth and those people should be thrown in jail for 1 year at least.

[@Shakor77]

He lived 500 years ago. I doubt people know who his descendants was.

[@dlxmarks]

Newton never married and had no children. Also claiming current damages for a public figure born over 380 years ago wouldn't even make it to court.

[@benitocamela174]

I'm pretty sure newton never had kids and was celibate

[@ComradeSulomon]

​@@Shakor77It's not hard to track, but he didn't have kids

[@Orieni]

As a former history teacher, the reason you used to focus on US and European history is because it is the owner’s manual for the US government, which was designed by people who were products of the Enlightenment. Diverting away from that dilutes the intended lessons, in favor of making some feel good and some feel worse. Knowledge should be valued more highly than feelings, in education.

[@sailor_gaia]

Very well said!

[@Jiub_SN]

Exactly. Modern schools focus on world history albeit less so, and there's only so much you can teach in history classes so you want it to be relevant, and the history of your country or your country's predecessors is the most relevant you can get. Also, in the US at least, you CAN take AP history courses in most high schools now that do focus on European, African, Asian, etc history. I understand the issue but this is not the solution

[@seekertosecrets]

Must be very hard to be a Dr. Who fan right now. You all have my sympathies.

[@DJ-LD]

Sympathy for what?

[@funkydiscogod]

@@DJ-LD For losing WW2.

[@MFFL674]

i'm too busy watching disney destroy marvel and star wars to have any sympathy for dr who fans.

[@jbkerns]

As a fan of 40 years, there is always the DVDs, I do not speak of the new Doctors

[@nal4883]

It's pretty easy actually, I've adored all three of the 60th anniversary specials

[@johncrafton8319]

That's how many they lost outright. They lost more potential viewers along with that. For one, I haven't been a Doctor Who viewer for over a decade. I wanted to give them a try again, but they kept that from happening. So not only are they losing existing viewers, but they're not adding any new viewers to replace them.

[@bigduphusaj162]

yeah thats the left for you in a nutshell. Theres not one thing theyve ever taken charge of that becomes popular. Its about time they realised that

[@DJ-LD]

Why are you claiming that yet show up and comment on videos that cling to tiny things just to push the narrative that others are pushing a narrative?

Also then there is the potential viewers lost as geeks and nerds who are old enough to have a family (unlike many woke who have only themselves and a partner and refuse to ever have children beyond a bunch of cats or dogs) will not watch the modern crap with their kids. I got into Doctor Who as a child because my mother and father loved Classic Who, when the show came back, we watched it as a family, like we had Babylon 5, Stargate Sg-1 and many other shows. I was a kid when watching B5 and still rewatch it often, same with SG-1 and I introduced my then GF and eventual wife to NuWho and that led to my kids viewing it with us too, as a family. A lot of geekdom tends to be passed down from parent to child.

[@darthgamer9861]

@@DJ-LDwhy in the seven circles of hell are you even here?

[@michaelmcdonnell5998]

Sir Laurence Olivier must now be recognised as the best Othello.

[@Hiraghm]

At least Othello was a fictional character. Also, ironically, he was portrayed in blackface, when in Shakespeare's story he was Moorish.

[@tomnorton4277]

He probably WAS the best Othello. Olivier was arguably the greatest actor of his generation.

[@jamesturner6979]

Any time they talk about diversity in Dr Who, I just think back to the Sea Devils episode with Jodie and how every Chinese character in Imperial China was portrayed by an Asian actor. Funny how it only seems to go one way... 🤔

[@sigmacademy]

You couldn't possibly expect any kind of CONSISTENCY from someone who is trying to gaslight you, right?

[@Comicsluvr]

When you change history, for any reason, it's no longer history...it's called fiction. RIP one of the greatest shows of all time.

[@christallaktorides6904]

In Australia we would watch DW on our ABC - equivalent to the BBC. For 60 years it was on the ABC for free. Now the fans have to pay to watch DW on Disney- a huge audience has refused to pay to watch because it is no longer worthy. It is very sad

[@meatpuppet5036]

Calling that potato playing Newton "hot" was one of the greater stretches too.

[@marychocolatefairy]

Yeah, I'd seen him in something before and it never once to occurred to me that he was "hot".

[@meatpuppet5036]

@@marychocolatefairy Its "rose" all over again. They have to state these uggos are hot for wokie points.

[@CLARKE176]

What would William Hartnell, Patrick Troughton, Jon Pertwee etc along with all the others who have passed away over the years think of the series now?! Started watching the classic series again and loving it!

[@Old_Scot]

Yes, I have them all on DVD, and that's what I'm planning to do. Anyway, they don't want old gits like me watching it - they're looking to the future!

[@michaeldreibelbis9529]

They did Hartnell dirty with that special with Capaldi… had to tear down the man… and then they pulled that “Timeless Child” BS… Garbage.

[@christopherquinn5899]

Watching the first four Doctors is an antidote.

[@thisisnotachannel]

Wait... fuck me. Oh... I misread that as saying "Sean" Pertwee... Assuming Jon is his dad? Either way, rest in peace to these fine actors.

[@Old_Scot]

@@thisisnotachannel Yes, Jon Pertwee was his dad. They are part of a long line of actors. Bill Pertwee (the warden in Dad's Army) is also a relative.

[@JD_JustDoing]

"We're showing history as we wish it was." Just like Big Brother in 1984. Good to see the Brits continuing to let themselves be led by the ears to their own doom.

[@Nyet-Zdyes]

They think that 1984 was an instruction manual...

[@Pepespizzeria1]

You have no idea how pathetic the country and people are 😂

[@Jabber-ig3iw]

Got the idea from woketards in the US

[@Ruddline]

To be fair their ruling class is ruthless they will never listen to common folk, just whatever they say they want the commoner will be intentionally words twisted, cleverly given monkeys paws, or just ignored. Its not in the white mans nature to destroy your own cities and monuments, they know that.

[@B-A-L]

And the Yanks aren't? Where do you think Woke started?

[@JoeMercersWay]

"It's to show children there's no limits to what they can become" Yet all we show them is they can be a knock-off recast of someone/something better. They cannot come up with, or become, something new of their own creation. So in effect, they reinforce the ancient and historical stereotypes more by demonstrating they are incapable of being anything other than a caricature of them.

[@sigmacademy]

Also, you have to appreciate how badly the optics look of having a minority guy being hit by a bunch of apples and looking all confused ACTUALLY is. It's the kind of thing you would expect from a minority depiction back in the(19)30s or 40s.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

It does not suprise me they lost 250k viewers. It astounds me they had 250k to lose.

[@haku8135]

It's actually established very clearly in Dr Who that you CANNOT jump to ALTERNATE timelines, like DC or Marvel do, there ARE other timelines, like how there's a timeline where Superman landed in Russia and became communist Superman. That kinda thing IS in Dr Who. But, the Doctor CANNOT go there. They end up in another timeline through some very exceptional circumstances and the Doctor is VERY concerned because that should NOT happen and it's a major struggle to get back. So they're just saying Newton was black magically in just regular history. They don't just casually hop to another timeline.

[@Tevi_L7151]

the only thing that can justify it is that the Doctor's universe may be similar to ours, but it is still different and has been rewritten many times in the past. because for some reason none of you have any problems that Doctor's Churchill had a robot advisor

[@ptonpc]

@@Tevi_L7151 The Doctor knew something was screwed up at that time, I seem to recall, but the Daleks threw him, he ended up obsessing over that.

[@Tevi_L7151]

@@solarydays And who is delulu here? We have long since crossed the threshold that our universe does not coincide with the universe of the Doctor and his things in it. It is ours but not ours. This is fiction

[@DJ-LD]

Ah, yes. The time tracks.

[@McSquizzy962]

@@Tevi_L7151you mean the human bomb… that the daleks built… to kill them all ??? Bro did you watch that episode?

[@cleanerben9636]

and the Doctor woke up and realized it was all the work of the Dream Lord.

[@alejandroangel998]

If it were only that simple 😅

[@sfall616]

​@alejandroangel998 I believe it is... *whatever the fans want to be Canon, is.*

[@LivingInTheKaliYogurt]

Freddy Krueger?

[@scarlett19b]

@@LivingInTheKaliYogurt *"Father Time!?"*

[@AndragonLea]

They just can't effing help themselves. They bring him back as a cameo for the explicit purpose of trying to curry favour with the disgruntled fanbase but just couldn't resist the temptation of firing some parting shots. They're the living embodiment of that meme of the kid putting a branch into the wheel of their own bike, face-planting and then asking the world how it could let this tragedy happen. I wholeheartedly believe that they'd rather burn the franchise down in flames and seek another job than give the fans what they want.

[@DJ-LD]

Just say fuck.

That meme is a good one, but I think an updated one for geek fandoms of the feminist shoveling crap over a wall and smirking then reeeing when crap gets flung back, would be good too.

[@Basedme944]

Extremely true! BBC NEVER learns, they just dictate from "on high", that attitude drives even newer viewers away.

[@oldhatAN]

The funniest bit is all of the people asking why people are upset that they race-swapped a fictional character. Yeah, they think Sir Isaac Newton is a fictional character.

[@zerotodona1495]

It’s why Hamilton should be shamed for black washing as well. It’s not fictional.

[@stevencorrea8032]

Can you imagine me turning into a chatter man😂 cheddar cheese man😂😂😂😂

[@jaysonraphaelmurdock8812]

It's really looking like Christopher Eccleston was extremely prophetic when he left the series after only one season.

[@mrtrent100]

The Doctor , the entity of the Doctor has always been attracted to females ,He married a woman ,and had kids, He was in love with rose and left part of himself with her , He loved Clara so much he killed a man ,he never gave Captain Jack a look even as Jack was trying .Even when HE was a woman HE was attracted to JAZ . He is Male and Likes Females .Period !

[@Designsecrets]

Your dealing with a show runner now that thinks people in wheel chairs can't be evil......so that's where we are......watch Dr Who fail before it's even started

[@ellesse3862]

I prefare a Doctor Who show that isnt sexualised, no obsession with romance.

[@Tevi_L7151]

dude, does it really bother you that the doctor is bisexual?

[@DarthB1ggles]

@@Tevi_L7151 No. He's bothered that they are forcing bisexuality on a character that *never was*. That's what the content of the entire comment entails. It's like you didn't read it. Is it really that hard to understand that, or are you deliberately looking for an argument?

[@craigcarroll3303]

They have once again fundamentally altered the Dr Who character to suit their own f'ing warped ideology. I don't want any part of it.

[@edgarplummer6750]

Don't forget David Tennant read these scripts and took the role to destroy his Doctor - he don't get no pass in all this.

[@dlewis9760]

One has to realize that professionals work to get paid. It's a job. Ideally they work with people they get along with, but it's just a payday. Harrison Ford doesn't care about any legacy. He doesn't need the money, but was more than willing to get paid and didn't care about characters associated with him and him only got destroyed. Everything I've seen of Tennant's work post Dr. Who is cringy. Maybe he's happy with it, but I think he's an empty suit when it comes to acting.

[@edgarplummer6750]

@@dlewis9760 Still don't excuse them pissing on the fans.

[@hayleylongster4698]

@@dlewis9760 Even skint actors have self respect. Tennant clearly has no self respect any more.

[@martindixon54]

@@hayleylongster4698 Well he's been toeing the "progressive" line for a long time, so him willingly being involved in this pigswill isn't surprising.

[@DJ-LD]

Really dragging tennet through the mood are we here. I mean, you guys, not the show.

[@camotophat]

Saw the preview for the black doctor. First thing you see is him twirling in a pink skirt. This show can't crash and burn fast enough.

[@XXXX-yc6wv]

BBC head stating a preference to "present history the way we wish it was rather than how it actually was"? Quite a revealing thing to say about what the BBC thinks its obligation to objective truth is as a state-funded media organization.

Pretty much them telling the white populace they want them replaced.

[@jces7070]

ITs sad. In america people are banning books, rewriting history, or continueing to outright lie and deny about it. I was lied to my whole childhood in school, and we are still doing it in the 21st C. At 53 I got my BA. I studied horrible times of history, colonialism, war, the history of witch hunts, etc etc. It was sad to see so many examples of humans inhumanity to one another. But, like many DW stories that dealt with sad themes like this, it deepens your compassion and empathy for one another. In america people are too scared to admit our historical failings of yesterday and today and teach it to our kids. So we are doomed to repeat them. And our democracy could be just another failed experiment.

[@ptonpc]

13 million views in a smaller population (approx 61,320,000 in 2007). Voyage of the Damned was probably seen in almost every single household in the UK. Midnight pulled in about 8.05m views from a population of around 61,824,000 Peter Capaldi's debut 9 years ago pulled in 7.3m views. The population is estimated to have been about 64,597,000 For me Doctor Who died when Capaldi regenerated into "Ahmm Joodaayy. I'm Da Docter. Dis is ma fam" (Yes I did give it a chance, I did watch some episodes.)

[@DrgnLdyLizzie2001]

So did I. I tried, I really did, but I couldn't get passed the first 3 episodes.

[@ptonpc]

@@DrgnLdyLizzie2001 You lasted longer than me I think.

[@hanniffydinn6019]

“Upgrade” 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@marcrodriguez5007]

​@@DrgnLdyLizzie2001I lasted 2 ..... after that I just wasn't interested.

[@Gloops01]

I haven't watched Dr Who since Tom Baker was manning the Tardis, but as I recall it could go anywhere in space and time, and often did. From what I've seen of recent Who, it looks more like Bill and Ted's phone box, mostly confined to Earth's history. Obviously it's easier on the budget, but even 60s Star Trek could find the cash for polystyrene alien landscapes.

[@McSquizzy962]

Respectfully, the Doctor blew up Gallifrey and then saved it in the time that you’ve been away. You missed even the good bits of modern who. They’ve been back to Skaro, Dalek crucible, dalek asylum, Demons Run, midnight, the library, Gallifrey, the very end of the universe… make that comment when you’ve actually watched it

[@InReserveProductions]

​@@McSquizzy962A few things there. First five of those stories were Dalek. Second most of the episodes are still based on Earth. Most Doctor Who episodes are, even the one about the alien planet where the alien characters were literally people with cat ears from the local costume shop. It's bad when you can go back to classic Doctor Who and they managed to use their shoestring budget better than what we're currently getting.

@@McSquizzy962 Top be fair the end of the universe was the same quarry captain jack came back to life in starkers, not exactly a huge deal on budget or effects. A bit like stargate sg-1, while I love the show damn a lot of alien worlds tended to be covered in Canadian forests. Its not like it is restricted to just Who. Either it is on a set or on location and a lot of Sci Fi tend to have a love affair with quarries and local woods.

[@erroneous6947]

Excellent point.

[@smorris12]

There was a "gay who" fan movement, 20/25 years ago and lots of gay slash fiction was generated. I never really understood the desire to insert sex into DW, it just didn't sit right with me. It's not as if i have anything against either aspect, it just seemed a pointless thing to put in an adventure program. And now.... I give up

[@ballyastrocade5672]

Gay slash fiction seems to be a fixture in just about *all* fandoms. Fanfic writers were shipping Kirk and Spock in the 70s, and probably earlier than that. Hell, even the "My Little Pony" fandom is full of gay and (mostly) lesbian slash fiction. I'm convinced that part of it, aside from the fact that a lot of these fanfic-ers have "issues", is just sheer laziness. They lack the creativity to come up with a credible and well-developed OC (original character) who could serve as one of the canon characters' love interest, so they fall back on taking two canon characters and mangling them to fit their story instead of writing a story that fits the established characters.

[@zerotodona1495]

It’s literally why saint and Osiris was turned gay in destiny 2. They literally called each other brother and speaker father before some gay fanfic writer join the writing team. It’s disgusting.

[@gandalf0292]

So not only did they race swap Isaac Newton, but they also retconned some who lore again... The fourth doctor literally says he dropped the apple on Isaac to "give him a push". But I guess that didn't happen

[@Geoff31818]

As a fan who left after Jodie season one. I saw the promo stuff for this and the line that “old fans won’t like it” and went okay fine I won’t bother

[@scottmcfadyen293]

I love what Az called it : Progressive Blackface. Damn Right !

[@raymathews1474]

To me, doctor who ceased to be a regeneration ago. I've cut off the moldy part and gone back to the beginning. Original Who runs 24/7 on Pluto TV.

[@blackwoodrichmore4531]

History as I wish it was... There were no world wars. My health was better than it is. Pineapple & Vegemite tasted great together. Moffat & Chibnall were never showrunners on Dr Who. Que Sera, Sera.... 🙁

[@SheldonAdama17]

David Tennant and Donna Noble were my favorite Doctor -companion duo. The fact that I have zero interest in this series speaks volumes.

[@stephenshelton4267]

Does no one care that he was supposedly sitting under an apple tree with apples growing on it? I had apple trees in my yard growing up as as the trees developed apples the branches drooped from the weight making it difficult to sit under, but the big issue was that the apples attracted hornets and yellow jackets by the hundreds. Birds would peck holes in the apples, this would expose their sweet interiors, and stinging insects were drawn like magnets

[@Old_Scot]

Newton made the story up when he was trying to explain his discovery to his biographer. It's now considered unlikely he had a "Eureka" moment like that.

[@sigmata0]

I wonder if it's like The Nothing in The Neverending Story. The reason they want to destroy people's stories is because they are easier to control. Protect the stories that mean something to you, they tell you more about what is important than you realise.

[@akmason74]

Very funny guys! They stopped making Doctor Who years ago. Just like Star Wars...

[@AVIARYCOURT]

And Marvel films.

[@barrybend7189]

I'm thankful noone in the BBC ever thought about doing a modern reboot of Blake's 7.

[@rogercroft3218]

Please don’t suggest it to them. Can’t imagine what they’d do to Avon.

[@barrybend7189]

@@rogercroft3218 or any of the crew. Especially Roj Blake.

[@markwoodhouse4284]

They all got shot just as the end titles of the last episode rolled iirc, these types of writers don't have the wit to write their way out of that..,... hopefully.

[@andrewmclachlan4242]

@@rogercroft3218 Jenna & Cally would be Trans!😂

[@B-A-L]

The funny thing about Blake 7 is nobody cared they had a black female character in it.

[@Robaylesbury]

I was initially looking back to DT returning. I dared to hope. This was a mistake. I cannot even bring myself to watch this.

[@maculatus67]

I grew up in Apartheid South Africa where the 1976 Equity Ban ensured we did not get British TV shows like Dr Who. I was nevertheless a massive Dr Who fan by means of the Novelisations which we had in our Primary School Library. The Fourth Doctor was my favourite. Only when I emigrated to the UK in 2000 did I see the TV series for the first time and realised how much richer the Dr Who universe was when it existed entirely in my imagination.

[@reval1989]

My favourite part of the arguments for Indian Netwon is that they're all suddenly "It's not real, it's a show" Weird cause where was that attitude back when they were covering Jim Crow?

[@DJ-LD]

Same place? Less obvious?

[@funkydiscogod]

You have to understand it from their point of view: white people are now, and have always been history's villains.

Funny how it is "just a show" but when it is "just a movie" about Egyptian Gods played by white folk, woke fools lost their minds.

[@B0mber44]

It’s over-representation now. Huge over-corrections with the intention of connecting to specific people. As if they never watched these shows before.

[@Hiraghm]

There was nothing to correct, to begin with.

[@StoneWT]

It will fail. They will continue to lose traditional Dr Who fans and fail to attract new ones based on self-described wokeness. It's like people that criticized McDonalds for have too big soda cups or not enough healthy options. How many new McDonalds fans did they gain due to the "healthy" changes versus ones they lost? The people wailing against the criticism of the show won't start watching similar to the US women soccer silliness.

[@springheeledjackofthegurdi2117]

At this point I'm certain there making it so bad on purpose so Witiker's won't have the lowest ratings in the franchise's history anymore.

[@henrymach]

And to think that the 50th anniversary special was so good, only 10 years ago

[@symon3304]

There's lots Dr Who writers could have done with Isaac Newton, he was a scientist but also into alchemy, astrology and supposedly created the Freemasons. He could have been a batshit crazy foil to the Dr.

[@peterkrochmalni673]

To top it off it was Tom Baker’s Doctor that established that he and Old Issac were friends. And that it was the Doctor who climbed up the tree and dropped the apple on Issac Newton’s head.

[@ajax201000]

I have a theory that they only put this scene into the the beginning of the episode because this story only features 5 other Characters outside of Newton (those being the Doctor, Donna, Wilfred and the 2 entities that look like The Doctor and Donna) that are all white so there is no diversity in the episode and they needed a black character. Becaue of this they shoe-horned this scene in to the begining so they could insert a diverse character in order to meet their quotas.

[@Tevi_L7151]

you forgot about dead female reptile captain

[@ajax201000]

@@Tevi_L7151 a corpse is not a person,

[@IfUfindthisURlost]

Yes, and the other reason this first scene was included, was so that they could later have the Dr agree he was hot, therefore foreshadowing the next Dr's personality. Trying to sugar coat it in advance, to make it more palatable to fans.

[@ajax201000]

@@IfUfindthisURlost true

[@dbsommers1]

The Doctor ended with Smith. 12th regeneration which is all you get. What came out of the light was a thing on a Doctor skinsuit which is increasingly ill fitting.

[@Tevi_L7151]

Capaldi was good

[@lacko623]

​@@Tevi_L7151 Right, even if the majority of his stories were underwhelming, he was still the Doctor, and a brilliant one at that.

[@sh-spectrum409]

@@Tevi_L7151 Wrong, Capaldi was *phenomenal.*

[@CinematicMaj]

No, Capaldi was great he just didn’t fit the fan girl appeal which is why the show was successful in the first place with the revival

[@sh-spectrum409]

@@CinematicMaj It's ironic really, not everybody was keen on watching an older actor portray The Doctor but by the end of Capaldi's run *nobody* wanted him to go.

[@jimluebke3869]

"Why do you think Western history is the most important kind of history" See: the British Empire. See: The Industrial Revolution. See: modern science, technology, etc. And the most successful non-Westerners were the ones to adopt the most Western ideas, see: The Meiji Restoration, The Iwakura Mission, etc.

[@Old_Scot]

There's an entire history of science and mathematics that you're ignoring with that statement.

[@jimluebke3869]

@@Old_Scot I'm aware of the advances made in India in mathematics and rocketry, for example. They pale in comparison to Western Civilization, and you are either ignorant or deliberately obtuse.

[@Lemon_Inspector]

do you realize what the point of that question was though

[@Old_Scot]

@@Lemon_Inspector No, I don't.

[@zerotodona1495]

@@Old_Scotjust cause they “created” it, doesn’t mean they did anything important with it.

[@Mate397]

Doing a good thing by showing history as they WISH it was? That is just evil without any hint of shame. Something like this would make a great villain concept in Doctor Who, but sadly it is reality not fiction.

[@Capo01]

My childhood has been shattered. I grew up in the early 2000's and the Ecclestone, Tennant, Smith era was what I grew up with

[@sarasunshinemt4444]

Like a famous man once said "Everything woke turns to shit"

[@DJ-LD]

I have no idea who you're talking about.

[@Snake-ms7sj]

@@DJ-LD Donald J Trump, that's who said it.

[@AngryPug76]

Boys, Invincible, Gen V, Game of Thrones (the early seasons) were woke by most standards and very good. It’s not the message in the entertainment that makes it bad but that these hacks think the message is enough to entertain. Leftists hate this crap too because it’s crap.

[@marychocolatefairy]

I belatedly recognized the Isaac Newton actor- he has the distinction of being in one of the worst shows of last year, Witcher Blood Origin. He played Eredin's random boyfriend- so that's twice now his character has caused a previously non-gay character to be gay, lol. (Also, for someone that's supposed to be SO hot, they should've gotten a better looking actor, just saying). Re "showing history as we wish it was"- one would think that could entail giving a spotlight to previously neglected Indian or black scientists rather than a raceswap- but I guess not, heh.

[@Donttreadonme2024]

Peter Capaldi was one of my favorite new era Doctors. He was great, and did the absolute best with the shit he was given

[@jamescarr1265]

I honestly liked his era, the stories were sometimes shitty but the characters were great and the seasons had fun finales and arcs. I loved his chemistry with Missy and Clara

[@connorferris3755]

Wild Blue Yonder despite having historical inaccuracy at the start, it was one of the best Dr Who episodes in a long time but of course you’ll not mention that part and focus on 1 minute of it. Cheers mate, clearly not biased.

[@guilherme5094]

They've already made it very clear that the goal is to piss off as many people as possible, that's all they have now, the only way to win is to let the show die.

[@Rew101]

Can’t wait for the race swapped Martin Luther King movie! 😂

[@wolfbane7497]

That will never happen

[@mistydolphin2524]

I want to see an mlk movie with him played by Jackie Chan. Or mike Tyson played by a Japanese school girl. Just to see the looks on their faces.

[@taterboob]

I unironically think that someone needs to do that, just to make a point. Maybe Daily Wire is game.

[@MrMacavity]

The Dr Who anniversary special reminds me of that Simpsons meme (grandpa and Bart) where you first get pulled in from seeing a familiar face, enter the door. See the crap going on still, turn around and leave as soon as possible.

[@awsomestuff583]

It’s crazy because doctor who has always been one of the most lgbtq friendly mainstream properties as well as had the most lgbtq fans from what I could observe.

[@crazyralph6386]

Yeah well, give them an inch…..

@@crazyralph6386 They take all of time and space.

[@sharrowkin1360]

Just rewatched Voyage of the Damned. Knowing what we do now, "The Message" can be seen all through it. It's not as overt as it is now, but like that growth next to Christian Bale's right eye - once you see it, you can't unsee it.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

I love the people who say "This is just a silly little show, it's not supposed to be reality". Conveniently, forgetting that the original point of "Doctor Who" was to teach kids history and science. That is why the first two companions were a history teacher and a science teacher and why the serials were, one time historical and the next science fiction with a base of actual science (like the first Dalek serial where they talk about how they move around like dodge cars and use that knowledge to escape their cell).

[@wewhofly]

I don't know. I never watched Doctor Who for its 'history' or its 'science'. I just wanted adventure. If I wanted science, I read encyclopedias and watched documentaries or Blue Peter etc. If I wanted history, I watched movies. Don't over sell it. Dr Who was monsters and the fun of being scared with a strong father-like figure (the Doctor) there to make everything right in the end. If anything, that would be the biggest criticism. Dr Who has lost touch with the brief to simply entertain - children most especially, and has chosen instead to be politically propagandist.

[@LibraGamesUnlimited]

@@wewhofly Well, it DID get away from that but that was the original intent. Even when they stopped doing 'pure historicals' and stopping being about teaching history they attempted to be accurate (as much as possible) when presenting the past and they certainly would never have gone out of their way to cast an actor who was nothing like a historical figure to play that figure. That is just dumb.

[@Starwarslegorob]

Why does EVERYTHING SUCK ?!?!

[@Thetravelproject]

It doesn’t. The world is more than this media go and travel or go away and see the beauty in the world.

[@Starwarslegorob]

@@Thetravelproject Dude seriously? We’re here talking about movies !

[@dimebag505]

When you insult the fans and 5hit all over the property, what did they expect?

[@CavemanSynthesizer]

What's wild is that the casual misandry and the shitty progressive politics were there from the beginning of the Tennet era - maybe even as far back as the Eccleston year - but it's just gotten so bad that we completely ignore that it's been trending this way practically from the beginning.

[@Korschtal]

And it's odd how Feminists aren't calling out the misandry; after all wasn't feminism about equality of men and women?

[@Norvik_-ug3ge]

Spot on. The first episode with Eccleston was offensive tosh throughout socially, but good in terms of taking Doctor Who seriously, casting, fx, production values et cetera. RTD is a gay man who is not immune to having prejudices of his own. We all do. The difference is he cannot stop himself 'righting those wrongs' or lecturing the audience and it is far less subtle now than in 2005.

[@Norvik_-ug3ge]

@@Korschtal Never about that. Women up, men down.

[@dorugoramon0518]

"Equality" has only ever been cover for supremacy ever since the French Revolution. Be wary of those who claim they desire Equality their their betters, because they are almost all sons of Envy.@@Korschtal

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

Doctor who stared its fall when they introduced the idea that timelords could change genders

[@Hodaris_Darlin]

Bingo! The Master becoming female was just a stepping stone to the Doctor becoming female which was something they talked about doing for DECADES. They were testing the water & because it was reasonably well-received, mostly due to the MiChElLe GoMeZ wAs AmAzInG zombies accepting anything thrown at them, The Doctor becoming female was given the green light. I REALLY don't understand how nobody realised & STILL don't realise this. DW started becoming a woke mess during Capaldi's era, not after it, which is a shame because I had been quite looking forward to The Doctor being older than me once more. I swore 30 odd years ago that if The Doctor were to ever become female I'd quit watching it, but I ended up tuning out before then because I could SEE it coming after The Master had a sex change.

[@B-A-L]

More like when they introduced the idea that he could regenerate as many times instead of the original 12. Thats why we now have degeneration instead of regeneration!

[@user-us5dr2qi2r]

@B-A-L well, technically, that was introduced with the 4th doctor. It wasn't an unlimited number it was a recharge of his regeneration limit. The idea of unlimited regeneration was the timeless child. The gender BS was introduced much earlier. Tho I do agree with your last bit, it has become degeneration...

[@Wadiv]

After 60 years we finally meet the Doctor's match The only villain the Doctor did not survive: The Message

[@gsleo2396]

#DefundtheBBC

[@crazyralph6386]

And CBC

[@somechinesedude5466]

​you mean defund the british?