TBC Classic Guide - Warlock T4 Pre-Raid BiS **Includes Classic Gear, Gems, Enchants & Consumes**

[@lolpaladins]

Great guide: Anyone can read a spreadsheet, but your commentary on WHY you choose one item over another and other options is what puts it over the top.

[@RickeyLee48]

WoW! Outstanding video. Probably the most informative I have watched for my Warlock. Thank you.

[@joels5150]

Correction: Dark Storm Gauntlets are a drop from C'Thun, they do not drop in Naxx Also Band of the Inevitable Ring from Naxx is almost as good as Ring of the Fallen God

[@CrixGuides]

Yeah, mistake on the Gloves. Found out when it was too late to fix it. And you're right, I should've listed Inevitable. It's behind many others, but only 1 SP off from FG. Thanks Brother.

[@rolandheinze7182]

@@CrixGuides not 1 hit, 1 sp and some int/stam

[@jimmy_iKoN]

Crushing it bro!

[@luke_9648]

Crix, you're my TBC Jesus now. Awesome guide!

[@Keygo]

This guide is where it's at! Thanks for all the warlock content.. Can't wait for TBC!!!

[@hackmiyer4234]

this guide is so fuckin helpful. keep coming back. "the difference is minimal and sweaty"

[@ryanmiller4765]

Crix truly a god amongst men, keep it up!

[@David-hs1bu]

good guide, we can see that you main the class and know it in depth, Some realistic points : unless you are drowning in gold there's no way you are going to put Spellpower enchant on blue pre raid bracers, that enchant is worth a few hundreds of gold easily, you'd most likely go with 12 intel enchant. I think you skipped the Mana-Etched set, the 2p bonus gives a massive 35 spell hit, glove shoulder and chest are viable, yes its heroics and shoulder drops from quag which gives you the eye at the same time, but with Epic tailoring and exalted rep you will run heroics well before those so its important to know which to prioritize. the problem with the classic gear for tbc "guides" is that its not realistic or doable by any mean, its not like you are going to watch this then hop into classic get to 60, find a guild spot, farm raids, save points and have the items magicaly drop and get them, I know a lot of guides mention classic AQ/Naxx gear fopr tbc but that is totaly useless, and is like telling people to buy mage boosts with gold or roll on items that are upgrades for them in raids.

[@joshuatucker2521]

Amen. No one is going back to Classic raids to get one or two BIS pre-raid items that can probably be replaced by quest blues in TBC without losing much.

[@silentriver8488]

This a clutch goat guide right here. You are the man bro. Take it e z. Gonna spend some of my slave wages to join you on twitch. Miss your vibes. Peace to you and yours.

[@TheGreatDazod]

Just a heads up - Subtlety to cloak is actually already in classic and it drops in AQ40. Looks like the change in 2.1 was that they added it to the hellfire vendors and changed it to use TBC enchanting materials. For gloves: Dark storm gauntlets come out of AQ40 as well not Naxx. For Boots: plagueheart boots are a pretty good early option since they have 14 crit rating and 34 spellpower

[@CrixGuides]

Yo! Thanks. Actually didn't know that about Sub Enchant.

[@TheGreatDazod]

@@CrixGuides yeah and I hope the tbc one doesn’t over write the AQ one since those mats are way better than having to get primal shadows

[@egoish6762]

Sublety is in the game now, drops in aq, thx for the guide!

[@CrixGuides]

OKay dope. Thank you!

[@AbendscheinLGN]

Yeah, TBC made it a default enchant with the itemization patch back in the day.

[@CrixGuides]

@@AbendscheinLGN You guys are amazing.

[@zerglin]

Isn't Mana-Etched Crown and Shoulders for 2p bonus, now bis when we know chaotic meta gem is in the game?

[@darrenmiller6897]

When would I replace Atiesh? Also, I recommend if you have wand of fates from patchwerk in naxx, another great option for you to carry across to TBC. Great vid, keep it up!

[@TheGreatDazod]

Replacing Atiesh depends on if you parse greedy or want to raise raiders dps. Atiesh is effectively a 28crit rating and 315 spellpower weapon before enchant so based on that you don’t replace it until Zhar’doom from Black Temple. If you only care about personal dps and parse then you will replace it on t4 with dagger from Prince and badge off hand. (Just don’t be greedy imo)

[@darrenmiller6897]

@@TheGreatDazod thanks for the feedback. I intend to support my fellow guildies as much as possible by keeping it equipped as long as possible. I would however like to do a parse run once a month or something for a bit of fun which I'm sure is a reasonable request.

[@TheGreatDazod]

@@darrenmiller6897 you will definitely still be able to parse with it equipped 100% as in a parse run you are cheesing so many other things (chain PI’s, BoP to stop pulling threat, Bloodlust rotations etc) that your weapon having like ~50 less spell power will not be the make or break from that 99 or 100 parse. Especially if your guild has multiple Atiesh on warlocks since the auras stack that once you get like 3+ in raid and group the difference between atiesh and the other weapons become negligible.

[@ciscoguy22]

The more important question is to ask how many Atiesh will you be bringing into TBC. My guild for example, myself and 2 warlocks have it. Keeping us in the same group for raid gives us an extra 90 spellpower (+30sp each aura) since the auras stack. The only thing we could replace it with at that point would be Tempest of Chaos + OH.

[@TheGreatDazod]

@@ciscoguy22 regardless of stacking or not each Atiesh should not be replaced until Zhar’doom in BT. The impact each Atiesh has on the raid is static. The only benefit of stacking them is you see that benefit more clearly on the wielders personal parse instead of on the raid dps as a whole.

[@RazanaArcclaw]

what blue/green/purple gems should we use pre-t6? you only show a red and 2 oranges, what about blue slots?

[@PaleMist]

Thank you Crix, but if I may share a story: When it was Karazhan raiding time, I had always simply used my t5 PVP gear and I did fine. And yes, I know: There is a difference between PVP and PVE gear, but it still worked. Thanks again!

[@CrixGuides]

Ohh if course! We pump in everything.

[@GamerPhilosophy]

Im always glad to see colleague gaming youtuber , to see how my fellow gaming youtubers make their videos of games , great video , i subscribed , keep up good work mate. 😊

[@CrixGuides]

Thanks Man. Cheers are your Grind. Followed you back.

[@chadowen6632]

was the Design: Chaotic Skyfire Diamond put out ? I cant find any info 1 way or the other.

[@3fl1ppp]

No mention of nethrazim mindblade, ring of recurrence or the wand from karazan?

[@harluz1107]

Hey not sure if you are still commenting back to people for the video but i was wondering how viable things like Atiesh and Wand of Fates are into t4?

[@CrixGuides]

I stream Tuesday-Saturday all day, all Warlock gameplay. Probably streaming right now! Feel free to check it out - www.twitch.tv/crixgaming_ TBC Warlock Discord - discord.gg/8mrt6DE

[@TheNebulose]

TBC had fresh servers at launch. Part of the way through TBC they made it so AQ was automatically open to prevent transferring for Scarab Lord.

[@brandroidx]

Can’t wait for tbc Man! Great vid!

[@Bergbergen]

Is there an equivalent to you but for shadow priests?

[@CrixGuides]

@@Bergbergen Sadly not.

[@stspickleball]

did you say in here what spec? isnt affliction best until T5? is this for destro? im confused

[@stspickleball]

Do you have information anywhere about what spec is highest DPS in kara pre kara gear and into Kara gear and into t5 etc etc??

[@andrewross5454]

CRIX can you tell us about spell haste? Blade of Wizardry, spell haste metagem and quag's eye? Is the sword off Gruuls still bis compared to BOW?

[@nameoflove2352]

I was wondering if I can make the frozen shadowweave boots and then switching to spellfire tailoring for the spellstrike set, can you still wear the boots?

[@winkyhc]

this video changed my life

[@CrixGuides]

YOU. Changed my Life.

[@IILegend]

You’re content is amazing man, thank you! Currently re leveling as a orc even tho my undead warlock is decked out 😅

[@CrixGuides]

I am too! Well I need to lol

[@Pitbul2186]

Any reason why Band of Inevitable wasnt listed in rings?

[@bernhardschmitt2890]

what about Shiffar's Nexus-Horn, is it any good compared to the others?

[@connorsmith2059]

Hey crix thanks for the content. I really enjoy fire. Is shadow always better tho trying to balance between min maxing and playing a fun spec. Would u ever go fire?

[@somasview3591]

any chance of a felguard spec guide? No one seems to have a detailed one.

[@peter486]

this is your best video

[@CrixGuides]

Thanks Man.

[@DavidM-hz6rd]

How do we know whether to go fire or shadow destro? Is one objectively better than the other, in certain tiers? Does picking one mean you just gear differently or is the spec different as well? How do we choose?

[@xdude7300]

on the chest segment 12:39 you dont mention plagueheart robe, are those still a good option before and/or compared to the shadoweave and spellfire robes? they have good stats along with crit, hit and 51 spellpower, so id think they would hold up, especially if you are just running them and getting t4 as soon as possible. Am i wrong here?

[@xdude7300]

you also didnt mention the Wand of Fates, is that because its just not worth keeping into TBC with the scaling that happens at 70?

[@CrixGuides]

@@xdude7300 Wand of Fates is 1hit lower than Nether Core's, so I just left it off. It's for sure worth tho if you have it. Also the T3 is not worth either. Lacking the Gem slots

[@xdude7300]

@@CrixGuides how well does it compare if you use it while waiting on your tailoring items?

[@CrixGuides]

@@xdude7300 Ohh yeah of course you can wear it until then.! It's not horrible.

[@xdude7300]

@@CrixGuides gotcha, just looking at how useful naxx gear is, coming into tbc

[@LameMule]

That subscribe plug right into the head section fuckin lol'd - nice guide my dude.

[@brianwilliams4458]

Are you planning a Raid BiS video? Would be amazing!

[@JohnSmith-tk7nt]

I'm super torn between scryers and aldor, want to PvP primarily but also raid in-between. Is the scryers bloodgem a must have if I don't have any of the level 60 trinkets already? I was already set on Aldor for the shoulder enchant but that trinket looks really necessary

[@CrixGuides]

I think you'll be fine without it. It's just a nice boost for when/if you're stuck outside of the Ele group.

[@hampusandersson9375]

What’s your views on having your raidgroup run an affli lock as a complementary class? Does the benefits of CoE, 5% less damage and blood pact outweigh the lack of damage output?

[@Rogus27]

Shadow Embrace + Malediction is more than enough utility to justify an Aff lock in every raid team..

[@CrixGuides]

We dont ever run an Aff Lock. Even on overtuned Pservers. So I won't be running one unless it's the fights where we have 5-6 Locks in. That being said. There is nothing wrong wrong running one as they bring good utility

[@landinbencaz]

Why not Mana-Etched pieces?

[@havosch761]

Yo Crix thank you for this Video, this helped me A LOT with my TBC preperation. I would just like to know your opinion about Atiesh (yes I'm the lucky one in the guild ;) ) I think due to the spelldamage buff, it is not only pre raid bis but also T4 content bis. Yes for me personaly, there is better gear, but the additional spelldmg given to my group is even better or not? For Wands you didnt mention the Wand of Fates out of Naxx, it has nearly same stats as the Nether Core's Control Rod and this is the wand I will go for in TBC.

[@CrixGuides]

You are 100% correct. Atiesh is BiS for that exact reason. You actually should expect to use it until T6 IMO. That's when I'd swap it out finally. Plus with how long the phases will be, you'll be able to pick up a Mindblade off Prince, or have time to get the PvP Weap. So you really don't lose out on anything. And.... You get the amazing Port.

[@CrixGuides]

Also, I didn't mention it because you're bound to end up with Nether Core's regardless while doing your Grind.

[@havosch761]

@@CrixGuides Yeah true, in P5 you probably want the offhand from Netherspite (the one with Hit) and a 1h or the staff from curator just for tanking Leo etc. to have more hit rate. But sadly there is no single 1h with hit on it, except the one from World Boss Kazzak (which is very good, but probably not available for a lot of guilds).

[@L233233]

Dark Storm Gauntlets are from AQ40, not Naxx, and you always seem to ignore Wand of Fates from Patchwerk when discussing wands. Other than that, great video, as always.

[@CrixGuides]

Fates is 1 Hit lower. Altho I should've added it since so many people mention it.

[@L233233]

@@CrixGuides Yeah, the point is: it's good enough that you don't need to worry about the other pre-Raid alternatives. Anyway, keep up the good work.

[@marct138]

What about the engineering googles, will they be better then spellstrike hood?

[@BREAKocean]

would bracers of arcane accuracy be ok for hit bracers?

[@ThePlatinumx]

first of all, great video, appreciate it about the agi/crit dmg meta. im not sure its worth on affli over the spellpower meta? and there is a flametonque seal offhand for fire destro with 17crit 49fire spellpower for badges. but i dont know if its there in p1 or if you forgot about it :)

[@Xizek]

Doesn't hit start scaling down on gear once you surpass level 60?

[@wtbskilllololo]

I more or less will have a dung group to play with and im going to play lock for destro should i start as affliction before t4?

[@mel27853]

Are these pre raid bis items the same for affliction?

[@TheMabus3]

lovely guide , so my question is still there , what spec should i use in Kara ? that confuse me , thanks a lot

[@brianpeterson7139]

I have Atiesh, would you still use that or try and replace?

[@Ceddo1990]

What about the Patchwerk-wand with hit? Not worth mentoring or did u just forgot? :)

[@CrixGuides]

Very Good wand. I believe it's 1 Hit lower.

[@zachsrealestate1]

if i intend to play afliction does crit really helps? do dots crit or just go for plus dmg

[@CrixGuides]

DoT's do not Crit, but you still Sbolt alot and those can.

[@zachsrealestate1]

@@CrixGuides also how much hit rating do u need for pvp on sl/sl lock

[@rAnDoMcHaNnEl593]

btw, Sparking Arcanite Ring is from Heroic.

[@rAnDoMcHaNnEl593]

Brooch of Heightened Potential is also from Heroic. (Both of these are stated from Heroic via Seventy Upgrades)

[@CrixGuides]

@@rAnDoMcHaNnEl593 You are right about the ring, however Brooch is from Normal. I've got it a milion times from Normal. Seventy Upgrades is actually incorrect. It's not 100% correct. Like the EP Values and alot of gear is actually wrongly located. I'm shocked that they wouldn't research it more to make sure it's right.

[@HirachieOfSociety]

You think Gem of Trapped Innocents is just as good for pre-raid BIS? Never got luck with veks neck.

[@Machman1123]

Seems like he is prioritizing hit>spell power>cirt. So i would assume the other options listed will perform better.

[@SpiralstaticXX]

Could we get an updated vid with the new information we know post release? Like chaotic skyfire, demo being top t4 gear raid spec, etc etc

[@CrixGuides]

Yup! Working on it now!

[@SpiralstaticXX]

@@CrixGuides you’re the man! Thank you for all that you do for the wow classic warlock community.

[@JU-we7to]

shdow desto lock vs fire destro lock... are the talent specs different?

[@zeratulcleaver4097]

yes BiS is as well

[@savagepatty]

What if I have atiesh?

[@Ringx2]

Is the Nathrezim Mindblade off Prince Malch in Kara not out on launch?

[@lolz643]

Just preraid bis in this video. No raid pieces.

[@Ringx2]

@@lolz643 good call, wasnt using my brain xD

[@Anaomilfairbanks]

Came back to this video to scheme some extra disenchant shards >:)

[@tigerwoodz86]

I think subtlety to cloak enchant will be out at launch because it comes from AQ40.

[@bulrr317]

like before watching!

[@jamescosgrove7503]

I am going to go fire lock so which T4 piece would you recommend using with the shoulders, Chest or gloves?

[@CrixGuides]

Spellfire Chest is the most expensive one. If you've got thr gold, I'd craft it. If you're tight on gold then just go T4

[@jamescosgrove7503]

@@CrixGuides gold isn't an option. Pure dps.

[@CrixGuides]

@@jamescosgrove7503 PUMPPPPPP

[@jamescosgrove7503]

@@CrixGuides So to clarify, Craft chest and belt, and use T4 shoulders and gloves?

[@shroud4269]

My man, its people like you that deserve to be a part of the Black Harvest. You have my sub ALL 👏 DAY 👏 LONG 👏 💯

[@CrixGuides]

Thanks!

[@KoMaHu3aM]

keeping those algorithms happy..

[@bmonteirolima]

Where does Atiesh fall on this list btw?

[@CrixGuides]

Atiesh is BiS IMO. Simply for the SP you're giving out to your Party. You actually should expect to use it until T6 IMO. That's when I'd swap it out finally. Plus with how long the phases will be, you'll be able to pick up a Mindblade off Prince, or have time to get the PvP Weap. So you really don't lose out on anything. Plus, you get that port.

[@thanatos8412]

How long do Warlocks keep Atiesh equipped?

[@CrixGuides]

I'd suggest until Zhar'doom off Illidan.

[@bkayt1992]

Where you been man? Haven't seen a new video from you in over 3 weeks!

[@mcflynnsreturn]

That subscribe reminder lol

[@CrixGuides]

[@kleion5797]

Think it should say AQ40 above Dark Storm Gauntlets ^^

[@nfa45]

Sneaking in manaspsark gloves with no direction ftw

[@kimpa1234]

Whens the Atiesh vid coming mate!

[@ownageDan]

forgot to mention the engineering goggles. good alternative if you're an engineer instead of tailor. bonus for seeing rogues from a mile away with your felhunter out :V

[@CrixGuides]

Yeah but you should never in your life go Eng over Tailoring for PvE IMO. That's why I left them out.

[@YueWu0917]

What about staff?

[@CrixGuides]

Atiesh.?

[@victoriajohnson6510]

subscribes only for the kisses xD

[@CrixGuides]

[@Matt-km1ek]

h e l l y e a h b r o t h e r

[@d077Z]

Not sweaty enough. Need to farm more heroic mechanar for shinning fire opal.

[@jbweldon84]

WTT soul for TBC Beta key. Dx

[@CrixGuides]

I wish I had them to give out.!

[@anadavis6754]

Stack crack you heard it from his truly.

[@ryancriswell8216]

Comment for the algorithm 👍

[@OldSchoolMinded]

Yo man did you get banned on twitch?!

[@CrixGuides]

Yeah for 48 Hours last week.

[@PerfectsLoL]

A bit of a shame that you are completely negleting Mana-Etched shoulders + Gloves combo for pre-raid BiS - Assuming no FSW.

[@Scallers813]

Dark storm gauntlets are off Cthun not naxx 😎

[@CrixGuides]

Ohh shit! Thank you.!

[@joshuatucker2521]

Gotta find that balance between ads and viewers my guy. This was good video but probably get more engagement if you maximized the ads a bit less... I almost stopped watching it after the 10th ad..

[@CrixGuides]

I don't run adds. There must be somethin wrong on their end. I literally don't use adds. Hate them for that reason. Thank you for telling me and i'll go double check now

[@joshuatucker2521]

@@CrixGuides no prob, this video honestly deserves more views.

[@simmot5213]

Hunter when?😁

[@CrixGuides]

Soon.!

[@ziarre5797]

OHF ring is Heroic

[@CrixGuides]

Dope. Thanks!

[@GalloPhilips]

Occult-ist not Oculus :)

[@rAnDoMcHaNnEl593]

what i told u!

[@CrixGuides]

You were first lol. You right. Hope you like it.!

[@rAnDoMcHaNnEl593]

@@CrixGuides i have a question about bracers, the bracers from BWL have 11 more int but only 7 less SP than Rockfury. can it be a choice in TBC?

[@bgizze01]

Bis asf 😂😂 i like that

[@brandonwiese7696]

Sub to cloak is in classic

[@_Molecule]

nice head

[@StraightEdgeRO]

You forgot to mention the staff from Sethekk Halls. you lil cheater:P don t cheat us.

[@MrBlitzballer]

Please put your "please subscribe" section either at the front or at the end of the video. Having it happen in the middle of your presentation just makes me want to skip it to go back to the information.

[@Rogus27]

It was in the first 5minutes of a 35min vid nowhere near the middle and essentially before all the actual gear info, it was also literally 10seconds just subscribe and go back to the video precious.

[@CrixGuides]

Usually everyone's first 1-2 min is them thanking people and asking for Subs. I thought a quick little 10sec cut in would be less annoying for you guys.

[@MrBlitzballer]

@@Rogus27 I'll agree that middle was a poor choice of words but the point was that having it interrupt the flow of information is less than ideal imo and I'm saying that as someone who is already subscribed and your condescending tone does nothing to help discussion.

[@MrBlitzballer]

@@CrixGuides The purpose of my comment was to express my impressions of the video and submit feedback on what could potentially be improved imo. You are under no obligation to bend to my whims and design future content specifically to my standards and I would never expect you to but I do genuinely enjoy your content so I wanted to give feedback that I thought might improve it even slightly. As I said in my response to Chris the word middle was a poorly chosen one but the criticism was that having it interrupt the flow of information was what bothered me. (Not massively or anything just enough to notice.) Again I do enjoy your content and was already a subscriber before this so I'm glad to be able to have any level of discussion about this kind of thing and I'm glad that you responded instead of just ignoring me outright. Looking forward to more quality content from you.

[@CrixGuides]

@@MrBlitzballer Thank you!

[@codyx8273]

a simple bit of advice....do not just read off the slide. we can read. if this is what you want to read, then dont post it up there word for word. it makes the video really boring to watch.

[@MrKnight1337]

will the honor hold or thrallmar exalted, sword be faster to get? or do these reps both up simultaniously, i dont remember shit to be honest :D

[@CrixGuides]

They'll be the same. Honor Hold is just if you're Alliance, and Thrallmar if you're HOrde.