Cruelty | Charles Joseph | EP 223

This episode was recorded on November 10th, 2021.
Charles Joseph is a Kwakwaka’wakw artist known for his masks, totem poles, and canoes. His work can be found in homes and businesses worldwide, including mine. His “Residential School Totem” stands before the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts for “all Canadians, not just residential school survivors.” It represents Charles’ “reconciliation” and his “story is on the pole.”
Charles’ carving homepage
charlesnativeart.ca
Facebook page
/ charlesjosephnativeart
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Timestamps
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[00:00] Intro
[02:21] Charles’ background
[03:36] Backstory: Jordan’s first non-native friend
[09:59] Tough times at residential school; finding enough to eat
[12:35] Being locked in as punishment
[14:14] Isolation and treatment by so-called Christians; rejecting religion
[16:35] Unmarked graves at Canadian residential schools
[19:29] Jordan asks what could motivate such cruelty towards innocent children
[22:08] Leaving & coming of age
[22:19] Blaming the world
[30:08] Charles describes more of what happened to him at residential school
[34:24] Looking in the mirror
[36:11] His grandparents’ influence
[41:26] Creative process & dreams
[47:08] The spiritual effect of art & culture
[48:03] Carving as a personal church
[49:38] History and cultural significance of specific elements in Charles’ art
[54:36] The 55-foot totem pole sculpture
[01:04:07] Seeking out the meaningful and positive
[01:09:07] The Residential School Totem at the Montreal Museum of Fine Arts
[01:11:11] Reconciliation
[01:17:26] Accused of racism and welcomed into a new family in 24 hours
[01:20:15] Wrapping up
#ResidentialSchool #Art #Native #Carving #Canada
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[@briannashaughnessy714]

I am a Kwakwaka'wakw woman. This is my uncle Charles and I am filled with undescribable emotions watching this. I am from the smallest band of the Kwakwaka'wakw called the Gwawaenukw. My ahda and dada (grandma and grandpa) went to the same residential school Charles Joseph went to (Saint Michael's). I've been educating myself to the best of my possibilities, despite the severe abuse I suffered from as a child that I believe was/is the intergenerational trauma. The way I view the world has opened vastly since I started watching Jordan Peterson's videos, they have influenced me in ways hard to explain, definitely in a good way. I couldn't believe my eyes seeing that he has done a podcast with my uncle Charles Joseph. I am filled with so many emotions watching this as I feel so tongue twisted on how to talk about my experiences as a child, this definitely gives me the courage to speak up more. Thank you once again Jordan, this video is so important for all Canadians to watch

[@Broxine]

Thanks for sharing Brianna. Much love from Germany

[@briannashaughnessy714]

@@Broxine Thanks for the acknowledgement Broxine From Canada

[@mankypancakes]

Happy that you can receive this knowledge and carry it for the next generation, painful as this history is. Blessings to you and yours.

[@briannashaughnessy714]

@@mankypancakes Yes you are so right, blessings to you and yours as well

[@ImSuitsMe]

God bless you sister! Cling to God He's our comforter. He will give you the strength and the words to speak out. 👑

[@LuisaPlantierMartins]

Dear Charles, to have suffered as you did as a child, and to then grow up to become a loving man, and celebrated artist, is a testament to your amazing resilient Spirit. Thank you for sharing your intense pain with us, the empathy here is flowing for you and all the wee ones of the horrific residential schools. Sending you profound love. ---- Thank you Jordan, you are a very special man, I am so thankful for your presence in this world.

[@multivariateperspective5137]

Its not just a testament to Charles, but also of Jordan, because only genuine value can pull someone out of something this deep.

[@GoldQuestMontana]

I couldn’t have said it better myself. 🙏🏼

[@TaylorPonder]

@@multivariateperspective5137 I completely agree

[@jenniferliotta2108]

AmenX1000000000000000000

[@OscarLimaMike]

Yes.... very well said. Our government is evil and always was. I have similar experiences but not to this extent.

[@esvedium]

Man's inhumanity towards man is a terrible thing, as clearly shown by Charles' story, but the clear, deep bond that you two have made together is what's best in man. This podcast was a rollercoaster of emotion, for both of you, and for anyone listening. Thank you, both Charles and Jordan, for sharing this with the world.

[@shirleycathcart5502]

Yes the things done in the school were from Satan. It is what Satan wants for all humanity. To suffer & preferably to die without Jesus. Satan is real & so are his lies& works. He is the author of ALL evil. His demons are too & can take over people in their behaviors. I know. Have seen it.

[@martinnielsen5851]

The government whom governs the least governs the best! AnCap 4ever!!!

[@invin7215]

This interview has completely changed the way I see this issue. The media, politics, and activists drove me away from this issue by being authoritarian, accusatory, and heaping shame upon me for things that happened before I was born. This interview was a much more effective way of communicating the issue to me.

[@SuperSantogold]

What did you think about the issue before this interview? Something endemic as this.

[@juliettailor1616]

Strangely counterproductive isn't it, how the media tells us to feel about oppressed people. Instead of portraying us all, from ethnic minorities to women and white men, all of us, as victims both throughout history and today, instead groups are pittted against one another.

[@goodtoGoNow1956]

Guilt-tripping people who had nothing to do with it is counterproductive and harmful to improving things.

[@sukijay4990]

That’s exactly how I feel.

[@ByVirtueAlone]

Sorry people blame you for things you didn't do. This is why I think it's destructive and borderline racist to call people "colonizers".

[@MrBaconis]

Well, this interview has done more to communicate the reality of residential schools than years of CBC coverage. Thank you,

[@klarson9639]

CBC is 100% corrupt.

[@samlsd9711]

CBC only talk about what is politically bias. Some of them told me that they were letting kids dig for other kids's graves because they were slightly older.... My patient's uncle said never recovered from it, he died with the pain of alcohol and drug he used to cope with his pain..

[@catrionanicthamhais]

Absolutely. No virtue signalling here, i'll tell ya.

[@hexum7]

Just because you never knew about something doesn’t indicate that most of the rest of the world didn’t know about it. The information is easily accessible for anyone interested in the topic. You just were not interested . Hope this leads to your woking up. We do discriminate badly against other races. Not deeply in the past, but against living people who are currently suffering permanent PTSD because of how bad they were treated merely for having the wrong racial hertitage.

[@MrBaconis]

@@hexum7 sir, this is a Wendy's

[@demetriuscooksey7147]

It took an unbelievable amount of courage to talk about all of this, especially on such a large scale. What a brave, humble, talented and good man.

[@angelblueeyes2339]

❤

[@muddywitch9016]

🙏💕🙏💕

[@Hotwheelian]

The unimaginable past scares me for the future

[@richardcooke7909]

It also speaks volumes that he trusts JBP enough to have this conversation. Truly amazing.

[@demetriuscooksey7147]

@@richardcooke7909 yes

[@xMartyZz]

It was amazing to see Charles' eyes light up when the conversation moved on from his terrifying childhood to his art. Thank you for this conversation, Dr. Peterson.

[@rmcd823]

Maybe Jordan can help more when he lodos his license. Then he won’t be afraid and “elegant” all the time. What a waist. We need true heroes. They just wait the leader / that is not Peterson. He likes theories and statistics that are worthless.

[@Whooopwhhoooop]

It's so awesome to see the sadness disappear when he talked about his dreams and his art. Beautiful man 🦋

[@Rosieblue111]

Stood crying in my kitchen listening to this. His pain was palpable. It put my suffering into perspective. God bless this man, I wish him love and hope he continues to heal.

[@charlesmartelhammerco9483]

Spirituality, art, and love has healed this Man. Even NOT being a Christian as I try to be, spirituality in his tradition still acknowledges the importance of the Creator and Ancestors.

[@shmerelize]

I was crying through most of this. Hearing his relationship with his grandparents reminded me of my grandparents, all four of which passed away in a span of 10 years.

[@artyteatwaffle7536]

​@@shmerelize I too was misty eyed over the sins against this man. I love Jordan, he's so wise and compassionate, a great man of our times. It inspired me to buy tickets to see him with my son in Boston. If you have a chance to see him, don't pass it up, he's a great man... don't be someone who, in the future, regrets passing up the opportunity to see him live.

[@roberjohnsmith]

@@charlesmartelhammerco9483 God is smiling on this man, knowing the rewards he will have one day. And God is wrath, against those that hurt him in the name of Jesus. Jesus said many will come in my name, and they will commit atrocities in my name. He warned us of these people

[@cloudninetherapeutics7787]

I felt that too. He's remarkable, a treasure.

[@williamturner01]

As a survivor of childhood abuses, what this man say's about not looking in mirror or not keeping up on personal grooming is true. I did the same for 36 years. Thank you for your bravery, and thank you doctor for putting this up. Be well gentlemen.

[@angelblueeyes2339]

❤

[@sushiegirl]

Wow I’m so sorry that happened to you 🙏🏼

[@Jettgirl77]

Look at all the agreements with you, but we are not saying anything else. Hugs.

[@WatcherOfShadows]

Yea. I can say this is true too. Sorry you had to do deal with that too.

[@TradBarbie]

I don't understand... I seemed barely bothered by my abuse. How did you know you were abused before you were an adult? I thought starving and being homeless and being beat for hours was normal. I was told how horrible I was almost every day, never told I was pretty or good at anything. I was absolutely positive that I was hideous to others, but I found my face to be pleasing to myself. I didn't have great hygiene until I was a teen, but as a teen I started being the best dressed person I knew. Then people started falling over my looks and it made me realize I must not be as ugly as I thought.

[@martinfilippe527]

“I think reconciliation will be done on an individual level.” Jordan, how damn right you are!!

[@Shatter84]

JP is so anti-collective that he has a blind spot with a maxim like that. Life ain't perfect but healing began in NZ because of the treaty of Waitangi informing the collective. Not a bunch of individuals making up their mind. Obviously most people here don't understand the New Zealand experience but to bring it home, do you think the repair of the sins of the Catholic Church would be possible with individual healing? Of course not, it takes institutional responsibility. Of course, JP will tell you this is marxist-socialist ideology or white guilt or an attack on Christian schooling instiutions or some such nonsense but tbh, I don't care about ideology.just whatever heals.

[@martinfilippe527]

@@Shatter84 fair point! Yet think about the Catholic Church, you can’t seek confession as a group, it is always on a personal level, between you and God through the priest. That’s how I understood what he said - of course treaties and so on are good but the reality, the practical effects you can cause to make the world a better place will always be on an individual level, from person to person. At least that is my experience!

[@neighbourmusic]

@@Shatter84 I think the comment refers to how regardless of institutional apologies, each victim will eventually find themselves reconciling with their past in their own way. Good job getting a few jabs in at JP that are again, completely detached from reality.

[@ramonaritz8210]

We did this with the African American/ white relations in school in the 70's and made huge progress in our relationships! Now the woke has ruined all that! However there are many of us still do not see color!

[@gazitjewelry2834]

@@ramonaritz8210 From your perspective, In what manners do you see the ruining by the woke movement manifest?

[@escher9622]

This poor man. He's survived hell as an innocent child. Nothing breaks my heart more than knowing this goes on in the world. May God bless him. Thank you both for sharing this.

[@rabbithole8592]

Last residential school closed in 96-97. The wounds are fresh. Only began to heal. I can't talk about my past without breaking down crying. My Native Brother, this man, is a lot stronger than most people. I'm Mohawk 6 Nations. Brantford 6 Nations & Bay of Quinte. Ground Zero!

[@escher9622]

@@rabbithole8592 I'm so sorry to know you're suffering each time you look into the past. I hope you find a way to gain strength from it and heal. You've survived... remember that. There's possibilities and perhaps you have a purpose in surviving, a destiny. My heart breaks for you and many others. I wish so badly that I could heal you and protect all children from these evils.

[@annajbanana2132]

I am the same age as this man. It breaks my heart to know that while I was being loved and read to and put into my bed safely every night by my Mother, this beautiful creative person was being abused and tormented by people he didn't know. Thank you for telling your story. It is a story the world needs to hear. Burying these stories only makes it possible for them to happen again to other children somewhere.

[@thetruthhurts599]

And they are happening. In some cases, the abuse is happening by the kids parents or a family member.

[@gerardknijnenburg1726]

Heartbreaking, the part that really got me is that when he was in hospital the only human being that showed him love and empathy was another small child that made a stack of books to climb up and give him one of his toys. God bless the children of the world and shame on humanity on how they are treated sometimes!

[@JH-ji6cj]

The level of ignorance in your comment is both astonishing and appalling. If that toy would have killed the child he was while in the incubator, you wouldn't have even known his story. Would that child that gave him the toy become the new evil villain for your narrative? Because you sure feel the ignorance to have one in your story. The dude was in an incubator for a reason, how you have the audacity to construct that in your mind as being for evil reasons is beyond me. Let me guess, you maybe have pets and/or children, but don't see how you are the evil bastard for rules and behaviors that you think might be both for education and protection eh?? The incompetence of this comment and the amount of likes SMDH....

[@AdamMCrawford]

@@JH-ji6cj You are either an epic troll or seriously have a warped brain. I feel sorry for you either way.

[@kathymachado3652]

How painful of a story this man lives with. 😢 And I'm only halfway through his story 😥

[@JH-ji6cj]

@Adam Crawford the brain warpage is the inability you have with wanting to assign evil to an experience where there was none (at least in the case of his hospital care). How dumb and emo blinded can you be not to recognize within the context of his own story how that he was not allowed to have blankets due to the possibility of harm they would cause. To not have enough brain to realize the caution and extreme care procedures they had to take to necessitate such measures. Couple that with the fact that, after it was obviously shown that toy caused no harm, that he "had that toy for the rest of his hospice care"...which implies they deemed it ok for him to have it. Being Woke should mean aware that multiple realities can exist concurrently, but yall are too sanctified in your own emotions to be able to hold 2 views at the same time. Go back to your Disney movie where EITHER the Cat or Mouse is the source of evil. Idiots.

[@roberjohnsmith]

@@JH-ji6cj your brain has a seriously odd way of working. Wow

[@geohiker9196]

Such an amazing interaction: All I can say is..."True Friends" and it is good to have that. Thank you for sharing this with all of us.

[@ByDesign333]

No fork tongue with Charles, that's for sure.

[@Mr05Chuck]

I just gave my testimony at Celebrate Recovery last Friday. I spent most of my life being terminally unique. Hearing other people’s stories help me to realize pain of the young is not unusual. Charlie’s story is way beyond the stuff I used to justify my drinking. God Bless Him.

[@jbauman1111]

There was more sincerity and depth in that 1.5 hours than the last 2+ years of the majority of all broadcast media combined. Thank you for sharing your story, Mr. Joseph. Wishing you and your family many blessings still to come and continued fulfillment in your work!

[@811MainPage]

Because this type of platform and interview structure allows for a person to act and speak as a person naturally would. Not bombarded with questions that don't flow with the dialogue like on network television which finds sustenance and direction only in ratings. He is in his own environment, in his own clothes, no studio makeup or lighting. Just friends sharing raw pain and the stuff of life that we either like to tuck away or sensationalize. It is so hard to watch television after the level of true to life independent content out there on KZbin. It had truly revolutionized what we have access to. What an honor and blessing to be allowed into this courageous man's life in this way. May God bless him and Jordan 🙏

[@leemartin9579]

As a Christian who found Jesus after a very hard life it breaks my heart knowing those horrible people not only hurt him, but also ruined his view of what saved me. Jesus is the only reason I am alive today, and have been healed of all the bad things that brought me down. My father who is native also had a childhood much like Charles, so I am glad he is on talking about these serious issues of our past.

[@Zulanderr]

Not only were these people evil, they sully the name of Christianity. I really dont know what can be done with such people

[@mcdanielsslaughterground7920]

Death is easy, it removes all the possibility of suffering ever again or ever hurting anyone ever again it also takes away all possible joy whatever the reason I think torturing people (children) immediate death might be the right thing, and I don’t mean to solve the problems people now hold onto, those people will have the problems weather or not those perpetrators live or die. Just to simply guarantee it stops right then.

[@ilirsvenfrancous9011]

The church has to take responsibility for itself. Publicly punish criminals and wicked people in their ranks, not hide them in the dark. Until then people will continue to see problems

[@nigelwray7647]

There's a time for Christians to turn the other cheek, and there are times when Christians need an eye for and eye and a tooth for a tooth. I've heard that these predators are still alive...they need to be brought to justice.

[@sstritmatter2158]

Matthew 5:6 "Blessed are they who hunger and thirst fir righteousness, for they will have their fill." Woe to Charles abusers. As for Charles, while I pray for conversion, I think God understands and if someone like Charles follows the natural law he will be okay.

[@angcat3419]

Thank you Jordan and Charles for showing us what reconciliation looks like. Weeping together. Hearing each other. Building relationship. Caring for one another.

[@ferguswatt2884]

“Reconciliation is hard and we don’t know how to do it”-JBP…. Thanks for acting out and showing us an example of how to do it

[@DrBill-zv5dx]

This is one of the most emotional videos I’ve ever painfully watched . My heart breaks for all those who’ve endured so much evil . . ❤️

[@davidcollins2648]

It should break if we are human but perseverance will always show how we can take those negatives and turn them to good purpose. It's the paradox of life and especially of artists, it becomes their place of vision and power.

[@evolvingerinb]

I am an enrolled American Indian. Grew up on a northern Minnesota reservation. Your friend and I are close in age. We have stories that are being ignored and forgotten. Hardly any one cares about us or the stories. This is in our lifetime! Let that sink in. Thank you for being his friend and giving him a voice.

[@ijustagirl74]

Since learning what happened to so many children across the world it hurts my soul literally..Its time humanity stood up as its still happening and humanity is traumatized by these monsters..

[@evolvingerinb]

@@ijustagirl74 sadly 😥 you are correct. When there is no consequences it will continue. We all have to demand better. Hold them all accountable!

[@deborahwillard3495]

These stories of abuse run right through British care systems too. These current and historical child child abuse cases - only boys were protected by law and girls never had any protection until 2004, when the law in Britain decided that girls abused since then GOT protected - in theory - at least.

[@TheNightBadger]

@@deborahwillard3495 _"These current and historical child child abuse cases - only boys were protected by law and girls never had any protection until 2004, when the law in Britain decided that girls abused since then GOT protected - in theory - at least."_ - No offence, but as someone in Britain, I've never heard of any law which protects exclusively boys and doesn't protect girls. Can you link me to further info on this story?

[@austindenotter19]

I know what happened. I didnt do it nor do I support the do gooders that did that in the past nor do I support or trust the do gooders working in your tribal center.

[@auroraborealisknives4019]

Jordan Peterson is a real humanist. No topic is taboo

[@gabethedizzle]

Unless your name is Faith Goldy or you are trying to whistleblow child sex trafficking and asking for help.

[@thetutorialslayer1809]

@@gabethedizzle can you elaborate it sounds interesting

[@craigstacey6536]

@@gabethedizzle ?

[@beheadedteddy5327]

It is rather ironic considering his fervent stance regarding the existence of god and, well, the historical premise of humanism itself

[@junior.von.claire]

He values highly transcendence from suffering. An individual who moves from weak to strong becomes less of a liability and more of an asset, more capable of helping the self and others. I think he appreciates redemption and promotes sacrifice, which also explains, in part, his distain for the far left who value condemnation and dependency.

[@thelilypondhouse]

OMG! This poor guy. I thought my childhood was bad wanting to just not wake up every morning but wasn’t as bad as this. Love you man and thanks for staying strong.

[@cameronbridges9316]

Dr. Peterson, you have the best podcast on the internet imo... Each guest and conversation seems to be better than the last. Great conversations!... You are asking the real questions and presenting yourself with supreme honor.. I hope you relax more and more into your greatness.... Warm love from a true fan

[@reallythere]

His life story is terribly heartbreaking. To think he had a loving family and a healing community waiting for his return 🙏 that's what saved him along with his amazing resilience and no doubt his loving wife❤️

[@svenadicci1982]

I’ve never loved another human being that I’ve never met, as much as I do Jordan Peterson. Thank you so much for absolutely everything that you are doing. Sincerely, thank you.

[@gabrielabsouza4497]

That's amazing of you to recognize that. I love him too, and I believe he loves us as well.

[@martinkent333]

@@gabrielabsouza4497 Your ignorance is boundless and you are dazzled by charismatic hustlers - like Jordan, Rube?

[@robertgelley6454]

@@martinkent333 It's unfortunate that you speak this way. Who has hurt you so much that you speak so hurtful?

[@martinkent333]

@@robertgelley6454 Truth is hard for you? Hustlers own you? R U A Brainwashed Rube? Do you do Holy Water enemas, Cupcake?

[@Ayeayeron05]

@@martinkent333 what's your angle here? I'm curious about the short term feedback loop you must be gaining from, to act this way unprovoked. Clearly you are overexpressing your emotional response to something specific that has triggered your pain. I get all that. It's so hilariously clear that I can almost taste it. Anyway... just wondering what you gain from this? (Hypothetically of course, I promise you that you actually gain nothing eventually. Unless you consider negative currency to be a gain. ) what is it that you consciously enjoy about intentionally causing hurt? Is it just that you like the attention you get from it? You must be extremely lonely. Anyway. I don't pity you. You are creating your own hell to live in. And if you think you are just being ironic and playing around at being evil...kidding around to provoke... I assure you. This is actuallyy who you really are. Be careful with that man. There's better goals. Good luck.

[@jamespelkey9609]

I just felt like I should say thank you to Charles, for telling us his story, and for being the person that he is. This was very emotional and just special. I listen to alot of your work Jordan and I always get something positive from you. I've heard you talk about being an honorary member of a 1st Nations family before, and it was really great to meet this man I've heard you talk about. Thank you both for sharing this.

[@MoKuzi]

Wow, this is exceptionally heart-wrenching. What evil people did to Charles and others is how low we can get when our hearts harden to evil and allow ourselves to be off the hook. Extremely touching. I thank Dr. Peterson for arranging this interview.

[@indianagirl500]

This is the truths of the world

[@Muppet_Master]

Such warped ideology to have allowed them to do so much evil whilst professing to be seekers of ultimate good

[@drew6088]

For sure. It's sad how people treat others. We all have our flaws and struggles but to willingly torture someone physically and or mentally is beyond evil. The heart is desperately wicked, who can know it. Jesus sees all and their will be judgement.

[@ericjsmoczynski4374]

Raped by a nun? I’m skeptical, to say the least. The Kamloops school burials and implied abuse is now a proven woke hoax. It’s not just another hoax after 26 burned-to-the-ground churches. It’s an outrage.

[@armandovillarreal6182]

What is more tragic is the reality of how “this evil” lies inside of all of us. . .

[@tmdsls]

When you hear a voice like Joseph’s, you know he is a weathered soul. Older people like himself are like gold for the young to stay close to, and learn from.

[@lahaza6515]

If you think about it, he's not even "old" in age, but I know what you mean about weathered soul. If anything he's still relatively young, only 62.

[@mystre3550]

That day is long gone my friend. Western way of life is to throw your elders in homes and forget about them. Kids are to busy playing video games and being indoctrinated to be wealthy and successful in a system that is inherently evil. Evil in the sense of extreme wrong, not the Christian sense of evil.

[@virginiatierney408]

Please try to catch or expose one person that hurt him. GIVE Him justice not just sympathy. Certainly there are records and photographs or were the white Christians so evil that they organized a cover up of these crimes like the catholic church covered for the crimes of the Nazis?

[@shereendasilva888]

OMG who cannot love and respect Jordan 🙂 Moving hearts and opening eyes Storytelling and sharing is so important Thank You 🙏🏻

[@ruthmarshall1879]

I just want to give this man a hug ! What a terrible experience. We all hear sorties but listening to him tell it is heart wrenching! This should be shown and taught in our schools to help with understanding. I recently read the book ‘ It Didn’t Start with You’. about inherited trauma. It takes 3 generations to shed this trauma. Our government needs to understand that throwing money at this problem is NOT going to help heal the trauma.

[@fidenemini111]

Jordan Peterson is a man of great compassion and simply a great man.

[@y_magaming9798]

As a Hopi my kwa'ah"Grandpa" always told me about what the generation before him went through. And how he was lucky to have avoided the residential schools. He was born and raised traditionally. He married my grandmother who's Navajo and wasn't so lucky. She was sent away on to slat lake city to live with a Mormon family who luckily loved her as one of their own. But that still didn't make her miss her home and own parents any less. It's crazy to hear this man describe the hate he had for his father and grandparent's Because I had heard the same thing almost ver batum from my grandmother many times growing up. My grandmother one time even snapped on my great grandparents as we as a family took care of them when they were too old to take care of themselves. My great grandfather was distraught. My great grandmother who had lost her battle to dementia was calm and I believe this was one the last coherent episodes she had of her life. She told my grandmother she wanted her to see something other than the reservation. That she wanted her to experience what she couldn't have here so that she might have an idea of she would want later. My great grandmother even apologized. I dunno why I typed this. This story brought a lot out of me I hadn't thought of in a long time. I'll keep you all in my prayers and I'll be praying and smoking and singing for Joseph. I hope all of you work hard for the sake of yourselves. That's what our people believe is that we were put here to work and care for the land. I hope you all work your little plot of land as best you can. And I hope all your work pays off.

[@thenourway]

🫂

[@ChrysanthsMum]

With such a sad, heartfelt memory comes my hopes that life has brought you happiness. Thank you for sharing.

[@jeremyaltom1303]

Did this happen in the U.S. also?

[@KateBates22zabu]

@@jeremyaltom1303 yes & in Ireland too

[@simonbarry6582]

Thank you for sharing.

[@bobmoe9221]

What an amazing conversation. To think of all of the pain this man has experienced, yet you can see compassion in his eyes when Dr Peterson begins to show distress. He is a good man.

[@rubymannila6519]

I am so proud of my cousin for speaking his truth; as hard as it was to hear his story, it was and is necessary. Thank you, cousin, for helping me understand the pain my mother must have endured to attend that same school. Although my heart aches for all my relatives and the children forced into these schools. I understand why she was the way she was and the pain she must have suffered at the hands of the evil people who kept her there. My soul cried for her, you and the many others who were lost at the hands of people we will never know. When I stopped by chance to visit auntie Wata the day you all were blessing this pole, I knew who it was going to and where it was going, but I did not get to hear the whole story of why you carved it the way that you did. Everything was a rush and whirlwind that day preparing the pole for its journey to its new home. Your stories of dancing really make me feel more connected to my culture. I will be entering the big house soon to have uncle Giya'ka name my grandchild, children, and relatives and pass on his names to me. I will think of you, and the description you gave of the dancing rings true to the connection that is felt in that sacred space. The Big House has a magical power that is indescribable and uplifting. In true auntie Wata fashion, I will be praying for your continued healing and continued strength in doing the work you do. To bring the spirit of our ancestors to enrich the lives of extraordinary people like Jordan Peterson and many others who can connect to that spirit we all feel while we are in the ceremonies. Gilakas'la

[@angelcandelaria6728]

This is synchronous. We need more Native American coverage. We need to connect our selves to them to complete the circle. Let us respect and uplift our brothers. I urge everyone to connect and learn history from different perspectives. Thank you Jordan

[@ddoll128]

I absolutely agree!!! We cannot ignore this...we need to hear this, share, and help.

[@Sakattack2023]

Why?

[@carollane8694]

Smoke less pot

[@rubymorris44]

@@thenarrator1984 dont throw "them?" Into the mix, I meant well and yes THEM, THOSE BEAUTIFUL NATIVE PEOPLE.

[@Yuki-bk2my]

@@thenarrator1984 yes that's usually a word used to refer to a group of people you yourself don't belong to. What's your point?

[@ROBIN_SAGE]

You can really see Dr. Peterson’s “bedside manner” , and the love he has for his brother Charles. The story physically pains him. I’m glad he could help him heal and regain some of his humanity.

[@nigelgroves9851]

Having watched , and listened too , a great deal of your output on KZbin this is the first time that I've been moved to make a comment. I would like to thank you so very much for broadcasting this conversation with Charles, he is an inspiration to all people who have been subject to abuse as a child, including myself. You should be proud of the help that you've been able to offer him in his quest for self knowledge and inner peace. I also have no doubt that he has enhanced your life, and that of your family, simply by the very strength of his ability to survive such an existence. I know from experience how childhood abuse can shape your whole life and leave you wondering who you may have been. I made myself large,strong and capable of violence to intimidate anyone that I didn't want to " let in". Now in my sixties, and still a little dangerous, my lovely wife has helped me to be more calm whilst I pursue my own inner knowledge. My fondest regards to yourself and Charles, we are all on a journey I feel. Nigel. In the U.K.

[@claireybears8439]

What a man of grace, I was so touched by the way he spoke of his great grandparents, especially when his grandmother wanted to die and how much he valued her and begged her to stay because he had so much to learn from her still. I wish people would value their elderly ones, they may not be physically or mentally what they used to be but we have so much to learn from them. Even if they have dementia or a stroke or anything that impairs their ability to communicate, we learn so much by being involved in their care or visit regularly. The capacity to learn about ourselves and about our elderly loved ones is priceless. Charles yours is an example to emulate.

[@scottpulver]

It's not easy to witness the cruelty that this man endured. It made me feel very sad for him. At the same time, he seemed like such a good man that I also felt strangely fortunate to hear how he was dealt with his terrible past - just so I could learn from him. I felt some joy to see the obvious friendship these two men have. There is hope for humanity after all !!!

[@douglasgillespie317]

YES

[@angeg100]

Yes. It's a beautiful friendship. That Jordan Peterson😊

[@thomasrebelo2189]

Well said

[@onlyvvv]

This has done more for me than any politician in Canada. Thank you for giving the world access to such a great man.

[@YellaP]

What a beautiful soul and strong, kind man. Charles, thank you for sharing the story with everyone. It hurt my soul listening to your words and feeling your suffering transpire through your voice. May all the blessings in the world find you in good health and bring you all the joy you deserve. May the healing continue for you, your family and your future generation. I am ashamed of what these people were capable of doing to you and other children, I am revolted that I cannot revoke your pain and suffering. I am sorry. Much love and light to you, Charles. Dr. Peterson, keep being the light. You are loved and respected by many, from the bottom of our hearts thank you for everything you do.

[@paulysa1969]

This is an interesting and incredible interview. Such a brave person. Reminds me of the writing of Viktor Frankl about the Holocaust. As a South African where similar atrocities happened I think JBP has an approach to solving the results of such attrocities by encouraging meaningful communication and debating of controversial occurances.

[@JenAniston69]

Listening to Charles’ story is both heartbreaking and eye opening. I can’t even imagine the pain and anger this man felt and garnered most of his life, let alone understand it. I am very sorry that good souls like Charles get hardened up by evil things done to them by pathetic excuses of a humans. I regret to hear that none of those monsters got caught and punished for what they did to him and his friends that marked their lives for the worst… Grateful to be able to hear your story, Charles. And it is because while it is much part of you and who you are today, it has never defeated your soul. You are a very strong person and I should hope that one day I will grow up and be just like you! I admire your strength and courage to come out into the world and share your life with us, a bunch of strangers. I learned something from your life’s story and that is never to give up hope, always move forward and never give up on yourself no matter what! Thank you Charles and thank you JP ❤️

[@matthewp5472]

boils my blood to think people got away with this. Hope they're rotting in hell now

[@janimalius]

Atrocities like this happen all over the world. What is disgusting is the inability and lack of attention that fellow Canadians gave when people like Charles tried to speak up. Even when bodies were found, the attention was on racism, while the problem is much more specific. The society forced care over children to institutions, taking it away from families. One stat I just saw was that a significant % of society now believes that parents who refuse to vaccinate their children should have their children taken away from them. It seems that this kind of thinking is alive and well today.

[@JenAniston69]

@@janimalius very true! Russian, Romanian orphanages are filled with stories of children abused in so many ways, some of them were barely functional by the time they got out of there. Most of them took their own lives right after… these ppl you talk about who want to take children away from families that refuse to vaccinate them are evil marxists that want to be able to control future societies with their agendas. One way they can absolutely do this is by taking our kids and indoctrinating them to build up their own world. Standing up to these monsters is the least we can do! Fight for our children’s future!!

[@roberjohnsmith]

@@matthewp5472 oh they are. They sure are. God is good and God is just and God is holy. And I believe Charles will be let up with God because God knows his heart and God knows why Charles doesn't believe. But he will believe and Charles will be let through the gates. I truly feel this to be the case. This man is incredible

[@marcturmel924]

God, that'S one heck of an interview. Glad that this gentleman's voice is heard...

[@jerimow8400]

I know of no words that can express the wonder of this conversation. Thank you both for sharing yourselves, warts and all, with those of us who care enough to grow from your words and experiences. 🎁❤️

[@zeds.6783]

Jordan, this was heartbreaking to hear. It's filled with so much evidence of humanity's broken-ness that even the happy developments are sad for the fact they were necessary to begin with. Thank you for bringing this account to light, and thank you for befriending this man. He needed a friend like you, and I thank God and you for your shared friendship. God bless you, Charles and both of your families.

[@joanflaherty1980]

I am touched beyond words. Thank you both for your vulnerability in sharing such painful realities. Blessings on you both.

[@BrentGoble]

While this was, as Jordan initially proclaimed, difficult to watch, it was incredibly beautiful in its pain and vulnerability. Rarely you see such transparency in someone's story and it's a gift to witness it. Charles is unbelievably brave in sharing his past. Thank you both for making the world a better place.

[@timw8649]

Thank you Brent for finding the words I could not, and constructing them in this great comment.

[@kurtweese7478]

This could be one of the most important interviews I’ve watched in a long time. I never knew my native heritage because my grandfather was so ashamed of it, because he was conditioned to believe that it was wrong. This broke me down

[@ehnanimoose2092]

They dug up the "mass graves" and found NOT A SINGLE BODY, only apple orchard root balls. How do you and your grandfather explain the FACTUAL LACK OF BODIES in these supposed "MASS GRAVES"?

[@bellezavudd]

@@ehnanimoose2092 Oh look we found the dimwited sad boy ☝️.

[@BenWeeks]

@@ehnanimoose2092 The NDP made that claim when local band chiefs statements emphasized the remains detected by ground sonar appeared to be buried separately. There are also different sites, some had bodies where markers had worn away. There may be another that is as you describe. I haven't heard of such a thing before.

[@bellezavudd]

@@BenWeeks Hes just running with his own pitiful narrative. Unfortunately, plenty of remains have been found at numerous schoolgrounds. People like Nanimoose dont care about reality, only how things affect his agenda. So if a single reporter makes a mistake, which many do, hes ready and waiting to scream about his agenda.

[@ehnanimoose2092]

@@BenWeeks The site I speak of is the one you are talking about with the ground penetrating radar. It was dug up in the last few months and proved beyond any shadow of a doubt there are NO BODIES and NO MASS GRAVE, it is an old apple orchard next to the on-site cemetery and what GPR picked up was root balls from the old trees. No bodies. That is exactly what I am talking about. Did you know Singh is a terrorist and war criminal who cannot go back to his home India, in addition to being banned from other allied countries for being a war criminal? NDP has not been worth anything since Jack Layton (Rest his soul) was taken by cancer. I have actually been telling people to be careful what they wish for with this wonderful freedom convoy, because if we lose Justin and get Singh, it will be like losing Lenin and gaining Stalin. The man is a terrorist and war criminal, and he openly wants to exterminate white anglo and francophone people in Canada and isn't ashamed of it. So... Maybe don't trust the NDP and actually do some research for yourself. All of these lies about genocide and mass graves are mostly started by one man, Kevin Annett, a liar and fraud. When you go looking for evidence you find there is not only 'no evidence' for the claims, but CONTRARY evidence.

[@k9hays]

Riveting testimony! Has to be one of the best JBP interviews I’ve seen! Thank you Jordan!

[@graymancini4733]

Thank you Jordan for asking questions and listening to Charles tell his story. Thank you for posting this incredible hour and twenty minutes of knowledge wisdom to KZbin. I haven’t cried in a while and I feel much better for doing so. I should thank Charles even more for showing me bravery in the act of conveying his life’s hardships to all of us. My life has not been as torturous as Charles’, but I connected deeply with his visible trauma and the difficulty he showed in divulging his past. I truly felt love for this man that I’ve never met.

[@MacAnAirchinnighJM]

“Only laughing ‘cuz it hurts.” I felt that. Amazing episode Jordan, thank you Charles for your openness and honesty.

[@williamjthompsonjr]

Hit me hard too

[@kathleenturley1561]

His story needs to be told EVERYWHERE. Write his story Jordan and give all proceeds to his people to educate them that this should NEVER happen again. How tragic!

[@bswihart1]

Yes, let's pray this doesn't happen again. Humans can be very nonhuman.

[@carsonhunt4642]

Well, luckily perhaps, with natives being made nearly extinct .. we don’t gotta worry about doing it again .. I’ve always found it strange how no one cares at all what we did to the natives… you’d think if anyone deserves to whine about being victims it would be them, not the other group that does it.

[@joomlaserviceprovide]

@@carsonhunt4642 This happened to many thousands of aboriginal children in Canada.

[@ahmarcamacho8404]

@@bswihart1 Ironically, we say that "inhuman". But that same behavior is all too human as well

[@alungriffiths8611]

What a moving and incredible interview I must confess I had tears in my eyes listening to this moving tale of overcoming such horrific trauma. Joe is an amazing resilient human being. and I have the upmost love and respect for this man and all people globally who have suffered at the hands of such evil people. Joseph you don’t know how much strength your sharing will give others who have suffered from similar experiences. God bless you both for such a inspirational sharing. I know how difficult it was for you both! All humanity will be the better for this sharing in the future! God bless you both 🙏💖🙏

[@jenniraisovna5698]

Oh this interview reminded me so much of my interaction with native people. First of all thank you so much Jordan, as usual, for bringing amazing people who are brave and courageous to share their experiences with the public. It's not easy, many of these things you want to keep private so sharing sometimes is like walking naked without knowing who will support or blame you for showing all the vulnerability and trauma that occurred throughout life. To continue on my exposure to native culture, being a Muslim myself coming from Central Asia all the way to Wyoming for education, I had an amazing experience where I learned not only a lot about and from Christians but also about and from indigenous people there. Little did I know about this terrible past of North America toward various tribes because in our schools we don't go in great detail about it except Columbus "opening" Americas. I learned a great deal from my fellow Arapahoe and Shoshone tribes as well as Crow closer to Montana borders about their internal conflicts as well as their resistance against European Conquest (there is even a Buffalo bill museum not too far from Japanese interment camp in case interested). We connected so much on a spiritual level and I even had deep metaphysical conversations with them to understand what we find comforting in our faith traditions. I attended many pow wows myself and had interfaith and intercultural engagement whether through talks or even hosting each other by sharing our foods. Despite how much Wyoming was viewed as a redneck republican state I truly enjoyed my presence there including my interactions with Christians where few attempts of peaceful conversion occurred 😄 Although later I lived in a blue state (Connecticut) the political topics were charged to the point of intolerance and in contrast I always miss my time in Wyoming as people were more communal there and cared on a different level even though our ideologies and religions differed on a superficial level. Unity of humanity was felt there more than in an "inclusive, multicultural, belonging" and all the other buzzword type of places in a seemingly "open" state. I am very grateful though to have experienced both dynamics to understand a bigger picture how the states operate and how much they all differ internally. No historical books could cover the depth of the culture had I not lived there myself to experience it some if not all. Thank you again for bringing my good memories back even though heartbreaking story of Charles made me sad. You all are in my prayers🤲 may Allah protect us against evil doers and keep us all sane, reasonable and content in our hearts 💕 Peace be with you all my dear fellow humans🙏🏻

[@SpaceDr00ze]

Holy fuck man. This is so heavy. "I'm only laughing because it hurts" Basically been in tears this whole podcast. Kudos and love to both of you.

[@leilanikraushaar1111]

As an Squamish Nation member, inter generational trauma hurts and sucks. The pain is palpable. I am considered successful, but my trauma is a challenge. Thank you for this moment, blessings.

[@loveme77527]

💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞💞

[@KayKay114]

Yes it is. I'm apart of the generation after residential schools, grew up in the city, know little of my culture, but I see the cycles everywhere. My kids will be apart of the first generation to not be sexually, physically, or emotionally abused.

[@ablake2934]

God Bless You for being Strong- I see your pain-powerful PTSD - Makes me cry thinking of my residential school abuse-used alcohol for 30 years to hide my pain- stay strong your special ❤️ for being able to tell the world Great Spirit Blesses you 👏 🙌 🙌 🙏🙏 Blessings to you both for this post

[@foxdeer]

My heart goes out to you Charles Joseph and all indigenous people who have suffered these atrocities. Thank you for your courage to tell your story. You are an amazing person. I have been aware of this treatment of children because I grew up close to the Blackfeet and Flathead in Montana and it hurts my heart that people would treat others this way. If I could give you a big hug I would. Thank you Jordan for giving Charles a forum to share his experience. ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Huge respect for Jordan being humble, not acting like he has all the answers. 👍 Even in situations in which he actually might. The world needs more such people.

[@jadonpossinger7953]

I lived though a hell as a child. Then as a teen I contributed to hell. I am now better and working to make things better for me and those around me. thank you for sharing this story. And your message.

[@LawnCareLady]

God bless you and keep you. I pray you feel God's tremendous power to heal. I'm so sorry for whatever you endured.

[@finflwr]

Hurt people hurt people. this is the key to why compassion and forgiveness is so important and heals the cycle of pain.

[@I_Lemaire]

Hang on, Jadon. If you were abused, talk about it with someone you trust. God loves you.

[@marindacoetzee6760]

You are rewriting your life's story in a beautiful way despite the past...that takes a LOT of courage! God bless you on your journey ahead!

[@shawnie2027]

What an awesome video, thank you both for going so deep and being so transparent with your raw emotions. The world needs more of this in order to heal from our ugly history. So many people are open to healing these wounds but don’t know just how to step into the circle so to speak. So here’s to hoping more content like this can be produced an start to Re-program the masses. God is still in the business of healing ❤️‍🩹… your friendship is proof of this fact. Thank you again an may God bless you both and your families and loved ones.🙏❤️🥰

[@karenflowers9711]

These conversations need to happen , Thank you for sharing. I grew up with brutal violence within my own family. My fantasy was that my real family was American Indian. I would dream of sleeping outside in a tent and hear the sound of horses and good men protecting the tribe. It helped me to feel safe. That I was stolen by mean people and my real parents would come for me. The white man carries eons of undigested Trauma that he or she then irresponsibly blows through others who are innocent and unable to protect themselves. The devastation is beyond the telling.. They are cowards I have nothing to do with that family now. I still dream of healing with indigenous people who know the sacred, what I knew as a child when the forest opened her arms to me. It saved my life, That and a dog. The indomitable spirit rises better when we connect in these ways. Really beautiful to witness this. I have spent my adult life learning how to help myself and others heal and there is really good work which accesses the universal intelligence of the body which is wired to heal and connect. we are in a paradigm shift from a mechanistic model to one of support to what is already there in connection with our earth mother, father sky and each other - all sentient beings.

[@sandrapicton6349]

Thank you for your beautiful post.

[@evinnra2779]

" I can't tell the story before I start carving, and then I dream. The story, then, is revealed." - Charles Joseph. Thank you so much for the inspiration.

[@geraldinehorton1410]

I remember well the pain, loss and confusion of finding myself in boarding school at the age of 5. Add to that the horrors of what Charles experienced and my heart aches with sorrow for little Charles and awe at the impressive, skilled and altogether lovely person Charles has become. Great respect to you Charles. As a Christian it pains me deeply to hear how Charles naturally feels about the Bible and Jesus and the God of the Bible. To liken the predators that Charles was victimised by to Ravens is too kind. These people were never Christians. They are the most dangerous of ravening wolves - those that cloak themselves in '' sheep's clothing''. When you strip off the disguise, you don't find a bad sheep (or a bad Christian), you find a wolf. A predator. You find that which the Bible warns about. The term' wolf in sheep's clothing' is from the Bible after all. Excellent and very enlightening interview, Jordan.

[@KayKay114]

Don't use wolves to describe them. Wolves are to be respected in almost all indigenous peoples cultures.

[@reborso4911]

A jackal is more like it than a wolf. Charles is himself a work of art made for Jesus Christ to redeem and restore and bring recompense to his life and go into a Glorious Eternity. I believe God will encounter him for his redemption to go into THAT GLORIOUS ETERNITY WITH JESUS THE SAVIOR! Be Blessed Charles.

[@traptrawnyboppflopp8284]

@@graemecreegan6749 Well said.

[@susannemoves-susannewaller5240]

I agree.

[@Janine11155]

@@graemecreegan6749 don't forget, Jesus likened them to "ravenous wolves" among sheep

[@miriam3730]

Absolutely heart-wrenching story. Thanks Jordan Peterson for giving a voice to people like Charles.

[@josedm3]

Thank you Jordan using your platform to share humanity! A student and a scholar, thank you for giving a soul a chance to share! I am more educated today then yesterday!

[@jonipleau9284]

Jose Morales Yes me too. I am now aware of another painful side of the tragedy at the hands our government 😢 I was not expecting Mr Peterson's experience from his childhood memories to surface on this interview but I'm grateful for both of these great men to share this with us! It's not totally clear to me what Mr Peterson's expressing. I'd love for him to express his thoughts more. Or if someone could elaborate I'd appreciate it. I can't leave this comment without saying how amazing Mr Joseph is. He survived the most horrific times that I was so fortunate to enjoy with warmth, love and happy memories of family. I'm at a loss for words due to tears. I'm so very sorry our government did this to you. Stay strong Mr Joseph and Mr Peterson. We need leaders like you to help teach us what's right and wrong. ❤

[@alexanderkutsik9140]

It's a peculiar thing; I could never truly be immersed in one's pain, but this man relayed it so magically and mysteriously that I just had this bizarre feeling of sorrow and immersion. An extremely strange effect for sure. I pray that this man could derive whatever pleasure he can from life given his immense pain and suffering. I am sincerely grateful for this very insightful conversation. God bless Charles Joseph and Dr. Peterson.

[@JACKSPARROW-iy7rw]

If you are a parent, imagine having this happen to your children. Not knowing where they are or whats happening to them. I can only imagine how his family must have felt

[@emanueltrudeau4754]

no wonder why they turned on alcool and drugs

[@jacquelineradai6860]

It’s happening every day in the United States. Family court and guardianship courts sending children to “reunification camps”

[@smudger304]

I can't physically comprehend the pain they all must have been going through, and to then find out what he went through you would only feel like you had truly failed him. Heartbreaking all round.

[@petejoness1]

Nobody should go through such abuse for so long as a child or a adult. Absolutely terrible. Charles thank you for holding on. there isn't many that could. It shows your strength as a person. And I'm so sorry this happened to you and others. Much love and respect.

[@kailashbedi3404]

How I LOVE this! “Thank you” to both of you for sharing all of this with us. 🌸🙏🌸

[@leannek8132]

People who did that to the children should ABSOLUTELY still be held accountable. Horrifying.

[@Alex462047]

Too late for that, most, if not all of them, will be dead by now. They'll face God's justice for misrepresenting Him. It is written that, for those hurt God's little ones, it would be better that a millstone were hung around their neck and that they were cast into the sea. I wouldn't like to be in their position.

[@theancientsam]

We need to change the system in practice today, let's assume it's not any better today than when Charles was there.

[@zandiviljoen146]

@@Alex462047 Amen🙌🏽good reminder thanks for putting it here. For all have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. Child-molesters and normal everyday kinda people. We all need to be saved.

[@multivariateperspective5137]

Held accountable is not the right way to put that...its too nice. They are parasites in human bodies, and any that lurk among us should be made to fear living out their darkness.

[@whitelion1284]

I watched this video about an hour ago and this comment stuck with me. I'd like to say something as an adult survivor of child abuse. Firstly: I agree with you. Accountability is essential. I would, however, like to also point out that it is likely that the perpetrators of that abuse were, themselves, victimized at some point. This does not excuse their behavior by any means. There are many children and people who are harmed by others who do not turn around to harm others. I'm simply saying that vengeance is not the answer. In the course of my own life and my own psychological and spiritual recovery I've come to see humanity as less an ocean of individual entities and more as a single entity with 7.5 billion cells / network nodes, with each of us being one of those nodes. With that said we certainly want to address the cancer cells so that the psychological poison contained within them doesn't spread but doing so with hate / vengeance or even the delusion of holding the moral high-ground is not conducive to the... let's call it the mental health of our society. So yes, they need to be held accountable. Behavior like that must not be tolerated. But we must also not allow ourselves to be poisoned or deluded by our own outrage. Make no mistake: we are all capable of harming those smaller and weaker than ourselves when we indulge in our own narratives of victimhood, resentment and "righteous" vengeance. With that said, cheers and carry on.

[@Zematus737]

That last moment there. You come to realize the family ceremony was not just an event to honor you. Charles was joining the soul of his family to yours. Now you share the joy and the pain. That is deeper than a blood brother pact.

[@rachelsredpill6151]

I am only at 22 mins and I need to take a pause and say a few prayers for this man. I FEEL this man in every fiber of my being. Thank you sir for talking with us. Jordan is right, this story needs to be told. 🙏🏼

[@DylanHousego]

This man is a gem of human kind. The strength. The genius. The caring. Fills you with awe.

[@steadyeddie7]

I am a 67 year old survivor. Thank you Jordan and Christ for bringing this beautiful, wonderful humble soul to us. Truth doe's and always will prevail. Courage, Strength, Truth and Justice. Archangel St Michael.

[@Thomasfboyle]

Peace be with you

[@YoureSoCreezy]

Im glad we still live in a time where these survivors of residential schools are still alive to share their stories

[@Adawnsable]

And we'll still never learn.

[@artyteatwaffle7536]

It happened in America too. Don't forget Boystown... It wasn't the place potrrayed in the Bing Crosby movie. It was a pedophilia paradise. Convents and monasteries where were Catholic families sent their homosexual family members.

[@alungriffiths8611]

Sharing these stories will help future generations heal. One of my Qi Gong teachers says it takes 7 generations to heal from such trauma

[@larryflor5507]

Jordan, I see in this how what you are as a person maybe brought you into the field of psychology. The intense feeling you have for Charles, his stories, life, difficulties, and resurrection. Probably the best video you've done, at least the best I've seen. You are truly a good man. Keep up the great work,

[@nickmiller681]

I’ve been watching your videos a lot lately and I’ve always been able to take something away from them and apply it to my own life and I think I’ve become a better person for it. This video I consider to be one of the best. I hope I can become more in tune with individuals like this man who has been through so much or at least try to be less judgmental of people that I really don’t know their story. That is going to be a great challenge but I’m very great full to have seen this. Thank you Mr. Peterson!

[@samuelboucher1454]

When he talked about "Missing out on seeing himself get old," because he couldn't look at his face in the mirror...man that hit me. We live in such a vain culture today always pursuing our youth and dreading our age. And here is this man who couldn't see himself age and it breaks my heart. Life is an adventure. Live it at every age, at the age, and always appreciate how you age.

[@austindenotter19]

Your comment proves how vain you are.

[@samuelboucher1454]

@@austindenotter19 I am vain. I am a part of this culture. But I'm trying to be better.

[@CatWalk2]

I got the same insight from that story. Thanks for sharing!

[@austindenotter19]

@@samuelboucher1454 as we all should. Age helps hopefully we can pass it on

[@psychshell4644]

The intensity of his pain is palpable & quite understandable. I loved how he drew the comparison between the 12 steps & his cultural beliefs. As a psych grad student, there is a big emphasis on cultural diversity. What an incredible perspective. Dr Peterson has such a gentle manner of interviewing as well. I appreciate Charles' history & candor. Thank you Charles. Love & respect

[@kyleorndoff7578]

My heart goes out to Charles and I commend him on his courages battle. Of overcoming the torment from such evil. His story reminds me of how much we loose with the passing of our grandparents. I pray for those who we lost along the way and for all those who are still struggling….. Charles this must of been difficult not to only relive such tragedies but to openly share them to the world. So with the utmost admiration. Thankyou! for sharing your story. P.S. Thankyou to Jordan for not only this podcast but all your talks. You have helped me to be better at keeping my mind on a swivel.

[@Life_Of_Lilliana]

I cried all the way through this talk. Happy tears, sad tears, tears for the humanity in these two men. Whew! This man is one of the wisest people you’ve had in your channel. Very wise indeed.

[@misheck3861]

The fact that he had to say "I dont want to brag, but it feels good to not be frustrated and to feel positive " just broke me a little in a good way. Happy for him

[@MrKirkuleese]

Listening to this interview felt like reading Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago". As though it was an abridged conversational form of the story. Every sentence carried such impossible weight and bravery. Thank you Charles for sharing your story.

[@mzytryck]

I think this is the rawest interview Jordan's ever done; usually he's talking to people who have told their story repeatedly to many different audiences, or written a book about it, or are involved in public speaking in some way, so the story sounds more rehearsed. Charles, being an artist rather than a professional public speaker, tells both his experiences and the philosophy he lives by in a much simpler way, but leaves you with no doubt about the emotional weight and meaning they have to him. The bit that really jumped out at me was when he talked about how the trees were talking to him; there was none of the self-deprecation or the "I know it sounds silly but..." attitude I've come to expect from people discussing mystical experiences, he just tells us what he heard in a very matter-of-fact way. Strangely, the thing I take away most from this interview is not the perspective on cruelty and the recovery from it (I've read a fair number of accounts of Holocaust survivors, North Korean defectors etc.) but realising how much my own perceptions have been tilted towards a very academic way of articulating yourself, to the point that an extended interview with an unpractised speaker seems almost alien, though no less powerful for it. It really drives home for me how many deeply meaningful stories there are that aren't being heard because they're not being told in the "right" way.

[@slowslug3247]

I’m Native American and I feel this deeply. I have a different way of communicating and when I try I get strange looks from white peoples, it’s like they can’t stop and listen for a few minutes before making a judgement. Can’t they understand that their way of speaking is different. I usually end my story one sentence in and give up since it’s futile. And… it’s not for lack of intelligence, I did go to college with a 4.0 gpa but when I form relationships I speak how I was raised to feel authentic. It’s hard to make friends

[@lisabrang6046]

What courage and heart it took to share this with us. Thank you JP for sharing this beautiful spirit with the world.

[@kwewucamp8363]

As a Tohono O’odham member this is remarkable! I found Jordan three years ago and to have Charles Joseph on the Pod is truly a blessing and it shows that Mr. Peterson is diverse!

[@helenlouie5587]

You near/in Tucson like me?

[@anybodyoutthere3208]

I live near the borders of the TO res Worked at the U of A back in 2016 with a women from that reservation Just starting in on the podcast. Best to you Kwewu

[@benjaminluc1208]

Despite this being a harrowing story of cruelty, I think it’s important to acknowledge how inspiring Charles’ story of making beauty in spite of his pain is. On another note, I also think the importance of coming to terms with the horrors of the past on an individual, person to person level, cannot be overstated. Thank you both for sharing this.

[@rogerc23]

@1:16:35. This is the key. No one knows what is the way to make reconciliation. The only way is to live peacefully with each other and forgive and grow. And make sure it never happens again.

[@Colvaen]

Life is not that simple. "Come to terms with your past" is a rather simplistic view and offers no concrete method to put you on the path to recovery. In fact you are forever altered by the trauma and nothing will ever make that go away. Extreme trauma does not leave the body...it has memory that envelopes the person at the most inopportune times, unbidden. You can learn to battle the beliefs about yourself that these experiences have imprinted upon you, your belief that you are not worthy, not entitled to respect, dignity, happiness and peace. You must validate and claim your humanity ever day. But that does not heal you nor does it lessen your pain. It's just the first step. Healing is a life long journey.

[@jamminjomama]

@@Colvaen Thank you for sharing this perspective. When it comes to trauma, no amount of positive affirmations or platitudes can truly help heal the damage if there's an underlying expectation that the wounded should just "get over it". That attitude only adds insult to injury as if healing were a matter of will or intention alone. What is so often missing is the understanding of how trauma affects physiology as as well as psyche. The work of Bessel Van Der Kolk, Peter Levine, and Gabor Mate are powerful in that regard. Somatic Experiencing and Polyvagal Nerve Theory are also extremely important aspects t consider. I would love if JP would bring on more guests with expertise in these fields to discuss trauma and tools for healing it. The power of a supportive community is also a key factor...especially respected Elders!

[@charlesmartelhammerco9483]

@@Colvaen I agree to some extent with what you have written here. However, I believe Spirituality overcomes even the most horrible experiences. I believe love is stronger than evil. Love can take away evil experiences. Even if he remembers these horrors, he is beyond it due to his Spirituality, Love, and his Art. Charles is healed. He has found a place to segment the horrors he lived from his Life.

[@michelgeurts]

This honest conversation starting in a Hell that I've personally experienced as a sun of a survivor myself. It opened me up towards a blackness and ability to stare straight into it. It was a clear message with all the medicine contained within it

[@nicolabishop996]

This interview is how we learn. How are hearts open to the pain. Thank you so much for being friends with Charles Joseph. I'm sure the relationship is a reciprocal one. Thank you Charles Joseph for sharing your story with us. I am so sorry that this happened to you. Happened to so many. I learned more from this interview than from anything else. One by one, by one, by one, by one.....we will heal.

[@Garblegox]

"I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy" I've come to find that expression is a sign of an enormous soul. Some people get hurt, and think "The world would be better if that pain didn't exist" while others get hurt and think "No fair, that was meant to happen to someone else!" The latter are responsible for a huge portion of evil in the world.

[@LegoSwordViedos]

that made me cry because when i've opened up to some people in my past, and they saw how awful things were, I always told them many of the things I'd been through i wouldn't wish on anyone. Because there are some things we do that are so awful they jsut should not exist, people always snap back and say life isn't fair and I snap back and say just because life isn't fair is no escuse to be a coward and stand by and lett it be any more unfair then what you have control over, if everyone tried to make things fain in what they control the would would be a much better place.

[@leh3011]

Exactly.. the later on thee other end of the cycle.. if only we knew to pray for our enemies. ❤️.. it's no easy task because the system is there law.

[@DanVasc]

Fantastic interview and conversation. Thank you.

[@paulkirjonen1226]

everyone who watched this to the end can now hit a sustained G5

[@andrewdelvalle4622]

Small world. Love you dude.

[@kimberleysmith1539]

Charles Joseph's story has touched my heart deeply and I am so happy he was willing to share a story that caused him so much pain. May he be blessed with untold peace and happiness for the rest of his days.

[@elisabethseaton6521]

This is heart-rending. The tip of an iceberg of pain and suffering. What can be done to alleviate the grief and sadness for the survivors? What mechanism created the monstrosity of perpetrators? Sweet, innocent children on the devil's gristmill. This is so wrong on all levels. Thank you so much for speaking of these horrors. The love and compassion rising up for you both right now is the only thing that makes sense.

[@prairiedog9524]

It took me three tried to get through this emotional interview. My grandmother was in a residential school in northern Manitoba. She never went into detail about the abuse, she told me that the nuns were mean and she ran away many times sometimes in the dead of winter, she had a hard life. The abuse she suffered has a ripple effect in the lives of her progeny, we have all mostly been addicted and institutionalized. But for the grace of God we are also healed and help others to heal.

[@funkibloo3811]

🙏❤

[@Cali736]

God bless you 💗

[@binmyrtmind]

My parents lived near the reservations and my grandmother used to raise chickens to feed the people from the reservation who came to her for food. My grandmother was a good Christian woman caring for the hungry. I didn't understand as a young child why they had to live this way. I still can't believe what is happening today in some of these areas.

[@austindenotter19]

God bless. Keep your medicine close.

[@sonjar7599]

Thank you for sharing your family's story.. wish you all the best

[@Anna-vw8cr]

My heart goes to Mr. Joseph and all indigenous people who suffered more than imaginable. God Bless him.

[@WideAwakeHuman]

Yeah unfortunately, human history is totally full of people of all types, colors and nationalities being brutalized... This was a hard story to listen to

[@mariaguzman1552]

Thank you for sharing your story. You are helping many people move forward who have had similar family traumas. Your honesty is powerful it takes a lot of courage to expose what you have been through. May healing take place with in your heart and mind. Your Uncle Charle has touched me deeply. I pray peace and love for him. His humbleness and authenticity will help heal others. 🥰❤️🙏🏼💖😘.

[@uralbob1]

I feel completely spent after listening to this tragic story. I just can't imagine living that poor boy's life. It was so good that the conversation culminated with the carvings and a full life with ultimate victory. The love you two have for each other is very sweet. Thanks sincerely for this tremendous episode.