'Cult Leaders' Profit Off Members Obsessed with Unrequited Love | Twin Flames Universe Analysis

[@joko09010]

I just watched this series on Netflix. It infuriated me bc it reminded me of a guy my daughter got caught up with. Their narcissism is sickening and the damage they are doing to families is criminal.

[@Thankgot]

Predatory nature of the couple was scary. The man was an overt psycho. All his videos were cringey

[@gailkelly6154]

It appears these two are rip off nuts.....trial by fire ?? Oh so that means getting burnt is legal 😅🔥

[@StrayCatHomestead]

Criminality may be hard to prove

[@gmartinnc]

@@Thankgotreminds me of the Heaven’s Gate cult of the mid-90s 😢

[@RR_1138]

I saw this series on the main page and thought it was boring, so I just watched the Ghost Train Luna Park , which was also boring . 😂 That Ultra Man Anime is awesome tho

[@manewland1]

I recall a quote from former sci-fi author (and Scientology founder--and my fellow Nebraskan) L. Ron Hubbard: "You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion." Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!

[@florptytoo]

He's not wrong. Imagine Star wars without the religion of the Force.

[@blueStarKitt7924]

​@@florptytoo🤔🤔🤔

[@jennifercastillo2929]

This is Scientology light, or “squirrelling.” So many aspects exactly mirror Scientology tech and practices. It seems like they combined the shaming and self blame for both acts you’ve committed and negative events that occur to you with forced matchmaking similar to the moonies.

[@sabinegierth-waniczek4872]

@@3_up_moon According to LRH's former co-worker (at an advertising agency, IIRC) Theodore Sturgeon (alias Kilgore Trout AFAIK) he indeed DID say it - and afterwards allegedly, recollections may vary, made off with the wife and money of his CoS co-founder. One has to give it to the master of marine metaphors, his flamboyance was truly like something out of science fiction. But for people preying on vulnerable minds to part them from their funds, there needs to exist a dedicated circle in h3ll - at least in MY opinion.

[@3_up_moon]

@@sabinegierth-waniczek4872 I concur. It's a shame on the people who do it. They know what they are doing.

[@buddhappychowyow]

This line killed me 🤣"I guess one can think of the word twin as representing two people and the word flame representing the fires of hell."

[@vicvega3614]

I was eating and almost choked 😅

[@zenawarrior7442]

Same here! 😅

[@ohwatermelonninja]

Brilliant!

[@tishgrier]

We can always count on Dr. Grande for those little zingers 😅

[@blueStarKitt7924]

Yes!😂😂😂 Also there is the line where he talks about children in an ascending state from birth and the medical team to to be careful to catch the newborns from floating too high!🤣

[@IM777D]

I just finished the Netflix documentary about this, and I am absolutely horrified and heartbroken for these victims being sucked into this extremely dangerous and abusive cult. I hope that these monsters are being investigated and put behind bars

[@justmeagain7]

Convincing people to change genders should be enough to give them legal problems and finally disintegrate their organization.

[@Denise_Suzanne]

There is also a 3 episode documentary on them on Amazon Prime.

[@ChelissaMoon]

Twin flames as a concept aren’t a cult but these people are

[@aleksandar6369]

These victims are stupid people, to dumb

[@jenna2431]

When I'm feeling down about my circumstances, someone always comes along that shows I'm a feckin' genius.

[@ztoob8898]

If the identified concern is, "These immature and comically simplistic cult leaders are taking all my money," the mirror exercise would generate something like, "I am giving all my money to immature and comically simplistic cult leaders." Yeah, that tracks. Dr. Grande, you crack me up!

[@janetebonanno]

😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@TheKethline]

Listen I was screaming with laughter throughout this analysis 😊😅😅😂😂😂

[@madz48261]

Yes I found them to be very passive aggressive.

[@ESBmusician]

😂

[@thelocalmaladroit8873]

This was a brilliant analysis Dr Grande. Twin Flames is not only a cult, but also a scam. It’s sad that so many fall victim because they are searching for love.

[@TheMatriarch-uf6xs]

Not always. There are wonderful scared unions, but they are scared and not monetized. These people are clearly awful.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

In a scam plus cult, they want your money, to control your life, and for you to worship them. In a cult only, they just want worship and control over your life. Both options are very bad for members.

[@ChelissaMoon]

Wrong. Some people make it out to be but it isn’t. People distorted what it is, people like Jeff and Shelia and they’re the closest thing to evil I’ve seen in awhile.

[@ChelissaMoon]

@@TheMatriarch-uf6xs100%. I can’t even say it can’t be monetized, it really depends on what kind of service you’re offering. But the majority of people are using it as a way to take advantage of people who are desperate. That’s not what it’s about. It’s about reflecting on yourself and having unconditional love, (not unconditional relationships), and mainly with yourself. The other person is a mirror to help you see yourself better. I’m with my twin and it’s one of the healthiest things I’ve ever done, but only after I was willing to do the work to be healthy.

[@Nachoprobl3m2]

Those who are truly on this journey know its not about true love with another individual but rather healing trauma and becoming whole within. I'm so fortunate for meeting my twin on 2/22/20 and it awakening my healing.

[@Thankgot]

The fact that they encouraged one lady to contravene a protection order was bizarre. They kept encouraging them to overstep boundaries.

[@aarondavis8943]

Encouraging people to stalk their ex-partner. What could possibly go wrong?

[@SL-es5kb]

I think they actually believe their bS. The Amazon prime doc is more focused on the vanity fair story and the Netflix on the vice story. The couple actually believed that the vanity fair reporter would report favourably after meeting with them and hearing their story.

[@Hey_Jamie]

Um, yeah. That’s what cults DO

[@missjennysenpai9323]

And after that belittle her about the arrest and that she acted all on her own that’s just pure evil

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

@@SL-es5kb. Even though my dad was a con man, I think most people do believe their own BS.

[@BucketHeadianHagg]

Omg I laughed SO HARD at the look on your face when you said “so, it’s like a marriage, except it never ends. It just goes on forever!” 😂😂 Dr Grande you’re so funny!

[@discospiders]

That was the best!

[@BucketHeadianHagg]

@@discospiders wait, wait, wait just a dang minute!! Where you going with that channel name?! I love it! I have 18 tattoos of spiders. My guitars all have spider images/engravings on them too and a couple of my acoustics have a preserved BlackWidow in a medicine bag inside the body of the guitars. One of my bands in the 80’s used to be called Spyder! My friends and kids always get me spider related gifts for every special occasion too, and I already got my first Christmas gift this year (god, I wish I could show it to you!) It’s a Black Widow brooch made entirely of really tiny little beads! It’s about 2 inches around, and if you stand it on a table, it’s about an inch high. (I probably sound like a confused Septugenarian right now 😂 but I *love your name!* Is there a story behind it?)

[@lorrainegrattan8528]

I watched the documentary, and what stood out for me is the narcissistic behaviour of these two. They are both deluded, full of their own self importance and prey on the vulnerable. The are indeed a cult.

[@Thankgot]

Their conduct was so overt… didn’t even pretend to give a f..

[@dominikalegrand]

On point

[@lorrainegrattan8528]

@@Thankgot these are the type of people you should immediately avoid like the plague. They have an energy that immediately stands out as unsettling, crazy even. It's their vacant expression along with their god like complex that grates on me. They certainly are not who they claim to be, they are weak individuals who will receive their own karma eventually. I've met a few like that myself, but thankfully I'm a human bullshit detector and walked away .....pardon my French lol. Most of us have had a time in our lives where life throws us a curve ball, leaving us question ourselves and that's where we are most open to manipulation from the wolf in sheeps clothing.

[@StrayCatHomestead]

Do you think the two of them spoke openly about what they were doing or was it more of a competition between the two of them to come up with the next way to get to people?

[@lorrainegrattan8528]

@@StrayCatHomestead there's no competition between these two, they are equally full of bullcrap and read from the same song sheet. They sit there like lord and lady muck, preying on the weak. Karma is coming for these two.

[@elan1418]

Todd, I really appreciate your dry humour. You never fail to make me smile 🙂 Thank you for being you, and doing what you do.

[@danielwieten8617]

Ahh yes. Was waiting for your take on this. Truly baffling that people like this STILL manage to manipulate people, even after all these years of media reporting on awful cults. Keith Raniere level insanity.

[@tishgrier]

People get tired of dating and want to be loved. It's easy to fall for someone who guarantees that you will find the love of your life and they know how you can find them. But in life there are no guarantees., especially when it comes to finding a long term partner.

[@bthomson]

Yes! That was another winner!

[@TheMatriarch-uf6xs]

And with tech and isolation/need for stimulation and the loneliness it causes, it seems to amplify it so much more. It’s all so sad. We’re all searching for meaning in some capacity and many prey on that quest

[@eatnplaytoday]

These predators often go after people at their most vulnerable state of being. Typically when you’re at your lowest, any kind of love and acceptance and affirmation coming your way will feel like divine intervention and you’ll get sucked into the cult without even realizing it

[@aarondavis8943]

The key component to all cultish religion is _faith._ We're all meant to think it's a wonderful, positive thing, but it has caused more misery and death than any other psychological mechanism in all of human history; whether it's faith in the "science" of Karl Marx, faith in the Word of God, the miracles of Christ or the notion that Mohammed is the Last and True Prophet. Faith demands that people _just believe,_ and ignore their better judgement, evidence, and their own interests. Faith makes good people do bad things and transforms bad people into Gods. Faith is an evil concept and the sooner humanity dispenses with it, the better.

[@megleland6320]

Business, grift, scam, cult...minor differences. It's sad and gross to take advantage of lonely people, I hope no one else is taken in.

[@eadweard.]

Are businesses basically scams?

[@Inthistogethernow]

@@eadweard.the fact the worlds been monopolized by a few companies and they basically run the world now…..lol ya bud, its all a scam. Money is our god because capitalism is our religion

[@It-is-me...Melsie]

@@eadweard. No.

[@beevie4081]

​@@eadweard.It depends on how honest their marketing is, I guess.

[@tymondabrowski12]

​@@beevie4081Predatory loans could still be predatory even if honest, I think. A good exercise of that is pondering over morality of the Heart Attack Grill.

[@kmyounce1]

I watched the Netflix series and it was mind blowing that people actually followed these fruit loops🙄🙄🙄

[@Beautytrends77]

I know it was hard to watch. Just the amount of bs they spew blows my mind. I still can’t get over the girl who gained 75lbs with his unhealthy meal plan. These two are sick individuals that need to be locked up in a psych ward

[@oravandroogenbroeck3234]

Some people are very gullable and cults usually attract the vulnerable.

[@kylexox]

Totally, I am shocked that people followed this s**t! The guy is a delusional ego maniac and the lady is so indoctrinated and manipulated it's insane 😂

[@gm9984]

Mark David Chapman is like "lemme at him!" Lol

[@sciencenotstigma9534]

I know! They probably needed professional help, already. That’s part of what makes these scams so dangerous. They take advantage of people in need. Not necessarily financial need, but the need for real help, support and guidance. 😢

[@vtcrowde]

Where are the Dr. Grande OG fans? I’ve been watching him since the beginning, and have enjoyed watching his channel grow!

[@Itsnotthatdeep88]

Dr. Grande understood the assignment and made yet another BANGER of a video! :)

[@KGraceSpeaksKea1335]

He is good isn't he! Funny too😊

[@INNdibongo]

Dr. Grande, you’ve read my mind! I watched part of the series last night, it’s so disturbing that people this day and age would fall for what these two are offering. I literally thought 💭 I hope Dr. Grande analyses this one! I can’t wait to have a listen.

[@need-to-know-]

How did you like it?

[@StrayCatHomestead]

We watched the whole series recently. I found myself wondering if this was just a straight scam or was it a test for the two of them to see just how far they could go on any topic. They truly created some concepts within their scam that is beyond belief anyone could fall for them. Not all of them, just a select few. I don't want to spoil it for you but you may have already noticed that the wife is as evil or possibly more evil than the husband. That does seem to chage a tiny bit later on but may just be part of the game.

[@StrayCatHomestead]

@@need-to-know-I don't think you were asking me directly but I'll tell you it's nearly unwatchable because you'll want to grab the 'victims' by the neck and shake them, over and over.

[@need-to-know-]

@@StrayCatHomestead That sounds like a frustrating, disturbing documentary. I’ll pass for now.

[@samantha4713]

We live in a world of lots of manipulated people who look for people who are vulnerable and seeking true love in a new age movement in all the wrong ways. Sad that these two people wreck the depth meaning of what “ twin flame” really stands for.

[@chesterwilberforce9832]

Thank you, Dr. Grande, for talking about this. I had to stop watching this Netflix doc about half way through the 3rd episode when it began to look like there were going to be no repercussions against this sad, sick predator. This skinny little freak reminds me of the guy in high school who was always proclaiming himself to be the coolest guy in school because he sold drugs, but everyone detested him personally. Eventually, he'd wind up selling some bad drugs to a member of the football team and get the snot kicked out of him behind the bleachers one day. I remember reading once that radically changing your physical appearance frequently was a sign of insecurity. This guy's hair and beard changed so many times throughout the documentary that I began to wonder if they were even the same guy. After looking at his million dollar cars and mansions, I can only hope that the IRS is watching this series. That's how they got Capone.

[@anthonyjames713]

It was both of them. They are con artists and there are way too many naive people in this world.

[@Beautytrends77]

@@anthonyjames713sick individuals who prey on the weak! I had a hard time watching this because it was so much bs and I can’t believe people fell for it. They actually had one girl gain 75 lbs and claimed it was healthy! I really hope their false empire gets taken down. I feel bad for the ones who lost their families to this sick cult.

[@heartofglass7235]

I hope they both go to jail and lose all the stuff- but if it has “religion “ status like Scientology not sure how IRS can get them. The girl will just say she was abused/influenced by the wanna be Jesus pip squeak

[@ellenmay88]

@@heartofglass7235and now they have a baby…that poor child.

[@bigsistahtips]

you think David Bowie was insecure?

[@Shotwellmania]

Dr. Grande's deadpan joke delivery brings me so much joy. 🎉😂❤

[@crittercrossing2913]

"It's a good thing members carry a torch, it makes burning through their money easier". You found a wealth of humor in this case! 😂😂

[@Kia-iq7dh]

What happened to Marly brought me to tears. I was watching the documentary thinking it couldn't get worse and wow did it.

[@hardkorr9503]

She could have gotten seriously hurt or worse. Such a dangerous situation

[@alnibodycare]

She was 19 and had a choice whether to move to Utah. If someone tells you to jump off a bridge you don’t have to listen. She legit moved across the country to be with a total stranger. So dangerous.

[@Kia-iq7dh]

@@alnibodycare yes and it is disgusting more mature adults convinced a young woman, a teen still technically, to do this. Don't you understand how cults work? They brainwash people. have some empathy.

[@louischestnut7290]

A marriage that goes on forever. YIKES! Truly a special form of purgatory.

[@Kknightstar]

😂 right?! That sounds like a nightmare!

[@pixel9548]

Mine went on forever and only lasted twelve years.

[@Mehki227]

Hey! We're in our 31st year. As I heard one person say many years ago... You always have a Friday night date!😂 And they were right!😂

[@nibordiabla7493]

​@@pixel9548😂🤣😂🤣

[@discospiders]

Married for 31 yrs and hope it lasts forever! It’s not magic though, it’s work.

[@PossumLover1111]

I just love Dr. Grande's straight-faced sarcasm. What a gem he is!!!

[@iyalove9383]

Perfect time to speculate about what might be happening in a case like this. 😅

[@crystallaws7050]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@blueStarKitt7924]

Yeah!😂

[@jolikena629]

The way you said “twins representing two people and the word flame representing the fires of hell” so calmly took me out I had to rewind 😂

[@jennmoslek921]

I just watched this documentary & it seriously angered me! These people repeatedly stated that their followers are their to make them rich & yet everyone goes along with it! The scariest part is that these 2 cult leaders have a baby now!

[@blueStarKitt7924]

Oh no!😰😰😰 Someone help that child!!

[@jennmoslek921]

@shirleyjeannite373 NO joke! It took everything that I had NOT to comment something snarky on one of their Instagram posts of the baby! Let's hope somebody sane comes to rescue that little baby!

[@GuarDeannAngel]

Dr. Grande, thank you for uploading so often. I absolutely love your channel. Much love to you and yours! ❤

[@rosemarie5489]

I had a much older colleague who thought that she was in such a relationship/situation.She had spend her best years dreaming about a dude with whom she had a single night stand more than a decade ago and sabotaged relationship after relationship with the idea that this dude was going to come back at some time. She was paying money in some cults too.

[@meredith9229]

It's so incredibly sad and frustrating to see people do that to themselves. I've been through it myself but thankfully woke up. It's literally like a curse. Very strange phenomenon but a very real one. I recently came across a woman who spent 60,000 dollars over a decade on tarot readings alone and ended up in a mental institution. Bankrupt and a very broken mind. Ruined her life. All over one relationship. Tis madness.

[@thepragmatist]

That's sad.

[@rosemarie5489]

@@meredith9229 I have the impression that this kind of phenomena is starting to not be so rare anymore, especially in the western culture.

[@meredith9229]

@@rosemarie5489 So true. With social media dating apps, and social media in general, people are actually extremely isolated, and yet dating seems to be at the forefront of everyone's lives, with people flittering from one partner to the next in rapid succession with spells of draught in-between. Loneliness is a plaque at the minute in a world where most folk fear and dread being alone, surrounded by many, supported on the web by many more, yet everyone feels alone and have become totally inadequate in everything. As a species we have become too dependent on others for everything. Even for self validation and self love. Approval and applause. We need to truely be alone. And truely love ourselves. As they say, those who are at peace with themselves know how to be at peace with the world.

[@AndreaMartinez-ip2vu]

Thank you for bringing this up. These kinds of beliefs can be fatal. My sister was being treated for severe anxiety when her boyfriend broke up with her. While she wasn’t part of this specific worldview, she was convinced that she COULDN’T be without this young man, so she brought an end to her own life. She was 16 years old. It is so, so dangerous for cults to convince people that there is exactly ONE person in the universe that they are MEANT to be with. I think it’s valid to have a very special place in your heart for your first love or your ex, but if you literally believe that you’re destined to be with them, then you will throw away your chance to be happy with anyone else-including yourself 💔

[@pixel9548]

"Representing the flames of Hell." Thanks for the laugh! I hope laughter heals. I've been locked up with strep for about 10 days! Also, these two just look weird together. Like cartoon characters.

[@lookouthill11]

Makes me think of vulnerable people with feelings of limerence, being taken advantage of by psychological predators. Crappy Childhood Fairy's channel on KZbin has a fantastic perspective on this.

[@valerianmandrake]

That's exactly what it is. The toxic push-pull dynamic inherent to twin flames ideology (they call it "Runner/Chaser") is a classic sign. Gross, how these woo woo people try to give this a fluffy name and thus justify and encourage unhealthy behavior.

[@raisamoola2090]

Dr G, every time you put out a video, my husband and I marvel at you. You're an absolute top-notch content creator and my 2024 goal is to either join your Patreon or buy some merch. Alas, I am South African so things are a bit pricey but I will get there! Such a huge fan. Many blessings your way.

[@ohwatermelonninja]

I'm also from SA! Love Dr G's channel.

[@lesley-anngilmore7524]

Hello fellow saffas! 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

[@karenvictor8467]

Yep. South African also. Love Dr G's channel.

[@berniceboshoff1503]

Bit late to the party, but hello fellow south africans!❤🇿🇦

[@SaraAshleyAstrology]

New Ager here-I was so disgusted by Jeff and Shaelia. They are total narcissists and invade their members boundaries. These people aren’t helping or raising anyone’s vibrations. They are breaking people’s souls.

[@ProvocativeSloth]

Takes one to know one.

[@archumaiza1815]

​@PandaPandakun so that would definitely be you looks like

[@SaraAshleyAstrology]

@@psyren3344 ok dear lol

[@mgn1621]

On the other hand, hopefully the victims will wake up and use this experience as a catalyst in their own healing.

[@RunningInLondon]

I'm dying. 😂😂 It's like a marriage that goes on forever. You continually make me laugh. I have always appreciated your sense of humor. Love from Canada

[@GigiRulesTheRoost]

You always make me laugh out loud at least once during each of your programs. I love it. Thanks

[@karenlee4194]

I love your (trying not to sound sarcastic and emotive) description of TFU. Your slight pause before saying ‘Shaelia’, the slight emphasis on certain words. Nary a smirk to be seen…but heard. A furrowed brow and a raised eyebrow says it all…….well done!

[@nightmareappliance]

Dr. Grande your jokes delivered the way you deliver them freaking kills me. The floating away golden child has me dead 💀💀💀

[@scottmatznick3140]

Simply based off the thumbnail photo, i would never stay in the same room with those two for more than ten minutes.

[@melanienewberry2805]

I watched this documentary and said to myself…I can’t wait to see what Dr. Grande says about these two cons. They reminded me of silly high schoolers. I think people that are immature like that can become more dangerous the more control they get over people. I also felt sad for the followers. I felt they were lonely and had low self esteem. They were ripe for getting conned by these two.

[@katherinejohnson4423]

I have been experiencing a twin flame connection in my life--it's a real thing--and I have watched a lot of TF content on YT. This couple and all their disciples always seemed like they were exploiting people and luring them into a cult. I am glad they have been exposed and also glad that your analysis confirms my suspicions.

[@alandagray7937]

Thank you. It is very real. Just most people have not experienced anything spiritual...or fail to accept it as that anyways. But these two disgusting people knew absolutely nothing about the real journey. First off ...Not everyone has a twin flame....also, the last thing you should do is chase the runner. Everything they "taught" was way off. The mirror exercise...down to Jeff saying that he was the only one that could identify your twin, etc .. ridiculous.

[@journeywithin9155]

I met my twin flame as well. It’s real for sure. It’s a love like no other. It’s unconditional love, where you can challenge each other, without perceiving judgment from it. And through the push pull we grow spiritually, increasing awareness, perspective taking and wisdom. I know more about myself and my twin flame because of the vulnerable connection with ourselves and each other.

[@WestWales]

@@journeywithin9155liar, all lies

[@chrissy4803]

I used to believe in this and was super spiritual. It’s dangerous to believe in the twin flame concept. Speaking from experience. It’s not healthy. It’s magical thinking. The Crappy Childhood fairy on KZbin explains this well.

[@discospiders]

You can’t know it’s real unless you’ve lived forever, because that’s what it means. Together forever. If you’ve already lived forever, that negates the idea of forever…in other words, you don’t know if another soul is bound to you forever bc forever is infinite.

[@Everdawn_]

I've watched the Amazon and the netflix docu's and I'm absolutely heartbroken for those poor families who have been affected by this. It's honestly mind-blowing and terrifying how easily people are taken in and brainwashed into radicalised ways of thinking 🤯 The narcissism of these two is what struck me the most. The grandiose god complex of Jeff 🤢 and then openly telling their members to seek out vulnerable people to recruit. I mean..wtf. Horrifying.

[@einienj3281]

"Twin flame" sounds like a dream for stalkers... "You are my twin flame forever"... Yikes.

[@robertmccabe2073]

That's not how that works, I know I'm a twin flame, but I never stalked and harassed her in anyway shape or form an want her to be happy

[@einienj3281]

@@robertmccabe2073 Ok.. You think sick people won't use the "twin flame" excuse if it becomes more popular? It's just another word for a soul mate/brother/companion..

[@robertmccabe2073]

@@einienj3281 not everyone has a twin flame which is very rare. I know I'm a twin flame am I sick? Nope I'm fine an at peace

[@einienj3281]

@@robertmccabe2073 You are starting sound like a cultist.. how do you determine who has a twin flame and who doesn't? With magic crystals and remote viewing? It's all mambojambo..

[@robertmccabe2073]

@@einienj3281 twin flames are rare which is true an those people give real twin flames a really bad name. I'm far from Cultists since I have experienced it

[@dissidentfairy4264]

This is what happens when an actor has just enough ambition to be dangerous. While I love the idea of an eternal soul mate, I don't think Jeff can help anyone find one:-) 🧚‍♀

[@bthomson]

Perfect emoji!

[@dissidentfairy4264]

Thanks:-) @@bthomson

[@seniprime6693]

I wouldn’t let Jeff tell me how to screw a top on a bottle but that’s me.

[@dissidentfairy4264]

Lol @@seniprime6693

[@blueStarKitt7924]

​@@seniprime6693😂 Perfectly understandable!

[@chrisofficer4292]

I never know how to feel about stuff like this. It is hard for me because I am not the least bit vulnerable to stuff like this but when you watch the documentary I get the feeling that the people who got caught up in this were damaged people who got taken advantage of. They still bare a lot of the blame for throwing away their money but these people were predators.

[@tessaducek5601]

Same. I must be shallow or something. Never got into drugs nor drinking and when people tried this type of nonsense I would walk away. Same with school cliques. Even visited different religious groups and just could not conform. I believe its mainly weak insecure people looking to fit in. And preditors spot them a block away. I feel bad for them but they are also responsible for their own actions.

[@moonstar9101]

Exactly. I think any cult-like organisation has a knack for attracting and manipulating people who have personal issues or are vulnerable in some way. I felt I had a mutual connection with someone, but it was unrequited love. Seeking answers, I fell down the rabbit hole for a bit… nothing serious, just spending a lot of time watching videos on Twin Flames. Unfortunately, what I really needed was just closure. Sometimes we have to accept we don’t get it. I admit, I’m lonely and had a rough childhood. Who doesn’t wanna be loved?! The whole money aspect blows my mind though. But the brain chemistry involved when in love is nuts… akin to drug addiction. Emotions are powerful. Logic and reason can go out the window. So I can see how people can get sucked in. I genuinely fell for that person. I think I will always care for them. But I was just being led on. Typical empath / narcissist dynamic. I had a lot of past trauma to work through and heal. On the plus side, I will never fall victim to such things again. Life is a continual learning curve! Apologies for the long post. I just really resonated with what you said. It was spot on. X

[@bthomson]

Chris O - bear! 🐻🐨🐼 Bare is unclothed or otherwise unadorned! .😘

[@blueStarKitt7924]

​@@moonstar9101It's fine.🙂 May you heal.🙏❤️

[@Mehki227]

​@@tessaducek5601Same. Drugs looked stupid and couldn't imagine having someone convince you to take a drug. Can't stand clinques or the "popular" crowd. Actually, preferred the nerd table. Just not a follower and religion is just a nope. Guess I know myself🤷🏽‍♀️

[@stephaniejane6168]

The pause before every time you said “Shaleia” was so telling. I think you broke this story down very well and I had a few chuckles with your dry humour. Sad for the people who got involved in this scam and I hope that Jeff and Shaleia get caught and punished for their terrible deeds.

[@Lucy11_11]

This couple - esp. the husband - had me screaming at the tv. So gross 🤮. Very happy for those who got out! We can’t want a “soul mate” level love to the extent that we lose our minds and our souls. 😢. *Also - love how you say {exasperated pause} “Shaleya” 😂

[@Thankgot]

His an a..pissed me of

[@davidnise]

the chaser and runner part makes no sense if you really are "twin flames", they try to force the hell out of things that should happen naturally...

[@Thankgot]

Exactly, why would a twin flame get a harassment order ? Bizzare

[@hevoskuiskaaja2008]

The chase-runner dynamic is quite complicated as there are a lot of different factors, for example you come across your twin and they are in a relationship/marriage with someone else (sometimes karmic soul contracts where the twin has to learn a lesson and they will not get out unless they have learn the lesson), if you then try to connect with them in any way they will push you away or disconnect otherwise. Here is the difference to what Jeff/Shaleila are teaching, they say fvck it go after them no matter what. A real twin stops chasing if this is happening and is taking care of their own business when the runner runs. As a result the runner stops running at one point because there is no pressure anymore.

[@alandagray7937]

​@@hevoskuiskaaja2008yep. Thank you. You are supposed to focus on yourself and then the runner will come back after learning their lesson. The chaser is typically a catalyst for their awakening. I never would have believed any of this until I had an experience that is unexplainable to just anyone...or they would think you're crazy. But I have always had very spiritual experiences.

[@dbencic]

Yes TF is a phenomenon. Even learning how to get out of a TF cult-mentality is one of its priceless gifts and lessons 😂

[@ellnine66]

Ah, I love me a good cult documentary. I watched it. It fascinates the hell out me how people can fall for it. I'm super stoked you did a vid on this one! Can't wait to hear your take on it.

[@mazermajestic]

There was a drug rehab cult in my locality way back when called Sinanon. One of the members went on to found Delancy street in San Francisco (a well known drug treatment organization). The cult allegedly forced members into unwanted relationships, had a group of cultists use violence to enforce its rules and even attempted murder against their former cult member/ lawyer with a venomous snake in his mailbox

[@christystewart4567]

I remember reading about that cult years ago. Growing up in the Bay Area in the 60s and 70s it seemed there were cults everywhere.

[@jinka6171]

I remember this as well! Santa Monica !

[@Dharmarenee]

Yeah they had a movie(its on YT) and everything including celebrity endorsements.

[@jeremy.thejeweler]

I’ve been waiting for this since the second I saw the trailer for the Netflix documentary. Thank you, my friend. Thank you.

[@ayatown5042]

The floating away Golden child had me laughing so hard! Great video!

[@CostasCourtComposer]

I loved how you said every time: Jeff and ... Shaleia😂😂😂

[@danieledugre1837]

The pause is perfect

[@deboracopeland4795]

Yes the way he says it is so funny.😊😊

[@try8042]

“Medical personnel would have to be careful not to let the baby float away.” simply hilarious 😂

[@ShadowWizard123]

Fun fact: The Bob Dylan classic Tangled Up In Blue describes just such a relationship which persists through several reincarnations.

[@vicvega3614]

Great song. Great comment. Now off to listen to some Bob Dylan 👌

[@christinabrasilevsky7364]

It can happen. ❤

[@Toototabon.Toototabon]

The ending sentences of this were some of the clearest thoughts on how people manipulate that I’ve ever heard. His use of people’s shame against them and for himself (whilst of course dressing that process up as something else by using quasi-spiritual language). Brilliant. But i know folks who don’t run cults, but who still use people’s shame and fears to get them to do things. This explains how people get into these cults. They're not stupid people. Just lonely and perhaps full of fears and insecurities-and a master manipulator of these natural human traits hooks them in by using hope of relief of those pains. It explains why financially and otherwise successful people also join- it’s because you can be outwardly successful and even run companies or be a model, yet have those unhealed inner wounds. And those wounds are very painful and never heal from outside success. So many successful ‘ people are in constant pain. They're thus fodder for creeps who have insight into using their sorrows against them. We all know the perfect example of one such cruel puppet master- Charles Manson, Thanks very much

[@j.r.1823]

Big shout out to the extremely brave Ex Twin Flame members who are speaking up against Jeff & Shaleia and their destructive practices in the Netflix documentary! Coming from a very vulnerable state, not trusting themselves and rather listening to these obscure teachings to developing enough courage to speak their truth, to break free and challenge this former authority ruling their lives... I can't imagine how difficult that must have been and I have so much respect for them. To us, all of this may seem comical and easy to see through - I think when you are trapped in that sort of cult and see it as your only home, your only support, your only family - it must be so different.

[@mysticmay129]

As a spiritual person I want to explain something. When people go through an awakening it's a confusing time because you are experiencing many things you don't understand. I went through my awakening a few years ago and while learning about spirituality I came across the term 'twin flames'.. over time I realized that basically everyone I've seen who uses the term, doesn't understand it correctly. One of the original examples of 'twin flame' is used to describe ONE soul that has been torn apart. This is the reason you're apparently drawn to this other person is because they're YOU in another body and unless you're both healed, you repel each other. Now, this is what my basic understanding of the connection is.. I don't believe anyone can fully tell you how such a connection works unless they're actually in one so this is where the delusion starts. This term is HEAVILY ROMANTICIZED now and used by people wanting make sense of their chaotic relationships. What people need to learn is that spirituality isn't about becoming obsessed with another person, it's about growing as an individual and doing the hard work on yourself to evolve to help humanity. Yet, what we're left with is people claiming they have all the answers and making spirituality look phony. For this reason it's really hard to see people who claim to be spiritual, lying to make money and spread the delusion.

[@shalinimishra591]

U got it right. God bless you ❤

[@mgn1621]

Codependent people flock to anything outside of themselves trying to feel inner wholeness Look how gullible people are!! They believe everything the tv tells them.

[@anthonyjames713]

Astute analysis as always. Mental health is very real. People need to love themselves so they don't get caught up in nonsense. I have heard of being naive, but the people fooled by these two take it to another level 😂

[@FrankOdonnell-ej3hd]

it's sad that so many people are born without a BS detector think you really need something like that to safely get through this life⚛😀

[@pixel9548]

You can get one from Carl Sagan. He calls it a baloney detector.

[@evelynwaugh4053]

If anyone wants your money for nothing, it's a clue.

[@Mehki227]

Thanks, I was born with mine!

[@VanityDivined]

People are trained to ignore it

[@cindylouhart6945]

It’s called discernment

[@shillsdontspookme9208]

I just finished the docu, and it's absolutely horrible what this man and his wife are doing to people. It's just breaks my heart that people are so desperate/lonely that they can fall victim to people like this.

[@moomyung9231]

My dad got convinced by his internet friend that they're "twin flames" so I watched the doc b/c of the bs I've heard from him. It's even worse than I thought. My dad has always loved New Age/mystical/etc so of course something like this is what he'd fall for.

[@horseheadkid]

sorry about your father. hope he wakes up sooner rather than later. sending love

[@sherrelllewis7548]

😢🙏🏿

[@mgn1621]

Spiritual bypassing is so prominent these days. Send him some videos on codependency!

[@schrecksekunde2118]

oh man that sounds really bad. I'm glad in my family we're immune to this new age nonsense. best of luck!

[@vanessak69]

Apparently this concept exists outside of the cult but it still sounds like poisoned thinking at best (and at worst if this person is in the actual cult.) Good luck to the both of you disentangling him.

[@TheFakeyCakeMaker]

I see Dr Grande, i see cult. I'm making tea and getting ready to chill. Yes bring it. ❤

[@dandrummond9154]

The touch-ups to their photos are, what I like to call, terrifying. If alien lizard humanoids exist, I think we may have found them.

[@blueStarKitt7924]

Certainly as they are cold blooded.😰😂

[@eleanoreadams]

You sir are in fine form today! Love the commentary!

[@FkcnVina]

I love the snarky commentary, very necessary for very educational purposes.

[@arinerm1331]

I can just hear the classic stalker line now: "Jeff says we'd be really good together if you'd just be cool about it!"

[@monicamariadiasdasilvachio1557]

Antes de sequer assistir o documentário, vim verificar se o Dr. Grande faria a análise. Dr. Grande NUNCA decepciona. 😊

[@bthomson]

Had to restart to watch amazed eye expressions that always make my day! 👀👁🎯

[@dailybunnymemes2545]

The sarcasm he's dropping in this video is awesome!

[@angelrose2669]

This appears to be the most brutal and amusing analysis , thus far , by Dr Grande , on his channel. I thoroughly enjoyed his acerbic and accurate observations .👍🏿

[@Healing_Oaks]

Such a disturbing series! Cannot believe the power they had over people. Taking advantage of vulnerable people...sick..

[@mgmarrow]

Thanks!

[@Hello-zf5lq]

Can you do an episode therapists using cult leader methods to run their own individual and group therapy cults? The therapy setting would be very easy to manipulate in that direction with very little supervision or official intervention. Reporting a therapist for being a cult leader will not result in any action against their license.

[@blueStarKitt7924]

😰😰🤢

[@marystarseed2497]

Great comment 👍🏼🖤

[@dbencic]

👏👏👏

[@JR-gh8lp]

First time I see Dr Grande almost break out in laughter during a video.

[@sweettea527]

Love the shade Dr. G throws!

[@kilgoretrout413]

This is much better and more succinct than the tedious Netflix series. Dr G delivers yet again 🙇🏽 ❤

[@carolrodgers4582]

You have the best voice

[@redheart11tx]

Thank you again; I love your cactus decor! 🌵💚

[@fretworkpeddler]

Your sense of humor is awesome! Thank you

[@kellygreene6752]

I lost it when he commented about not letting the baby float away!

[@martyes9563]

Amazing that you came around to doing an episode on these two. They are absolutely infuriating to me. I am blown away how anyone with a conscious brain (doesnt have to be in their right mind even) can believe the stuff these two spew. It's so bad it's almost embarrassing and I do feel badly for the people that got fleeced but a real strong part of me also shrugs and says "you kinda did it to yourself".

[@OnsceneDC]

This was also a Wondrey podcast before Netflix. I highly recommend it.

[@So-I-Said]

Twin Flame concept is the same as Soul Mate; sad so many didn't see that and got sucked in. I think emotional desperation is at the core of followers.

[@FreedomofSpeech865]

Thank you for covering this! I came across Jeff and Shaleia several years ago and caught on real quick that what they were teaching had very little to do with the twin flame ideology. These two are grifters. Also, Shaleia used to read tarot and was significantly thinner, once she met up with Jeff A LOT changed in her, mind you, she was already kinda weird but she really worsened. They also wrote a book that was truly awful. I really feel for their victims especially the 19 year they pushed to be with a criminal.

[@MissManaged84]

Dr Grande has the best sense of humor EVER!

[@clairehelmken3485]

The way I ran to KZbin after watching the Netflix documentary to see if you did an analysis 😂

[@marlinfisher2529]

Dear Dr Grande another brillant analysis with exquisite and delictable dry humor. How enjoyable and educational - what a way to learn. Many thanks for your devoted consistent intelectualy stimulating posts.

[@jimcronin2043]

When someone tries to tell you that he's God it's a bad sign. Just say, "no thanks, we've already got one."

[@mane5471]

and even that is debatable

[@magicofletters]

God😂😅😂

[@janetward8921]

Thank you for this! I just finished the Netflix documentary and the harm perpetrated by this couple should be illegal. Your analysis was hilarious and spot on. Dr. Grande, you are my go-to authority for thoughtful, insightful, reasoned answers to questions about sketchy or too-good-to-be-true self-appointed gurus/ persons/organizations.

[@williamsn411]

“Twin flames has come under scrutiny, mostly because of the cult part.”

[@freudianslipandfallover]

Not sure how you pulled this one off without giggling the whole time, Dr. Grande. “Super duper MASTER mega coach”😂

[@zenawarrior7442]

Thank you covering this subject. YT is full of readers/scammers who pry off hope the unhealthy promise of this never-to-be, silly relationship. Thanks Dr G😊💟💟

[@LifebyK88]

I was in their cult. Jeff is the ring leader and pushes his life coaches to sell his book and classes. He called me a liar on youtube after I shared what goes on within the cult. I have a few videos on here about my experience.

[@tomchrist777]

Crazy. I knew Megan/Shaleia right before she met Jeff. She wanted to go out on a date with me but I wasn't into her at all. She was nice enough but definitely an ungrounded new ager. I saw when she met Jeff on Facebook and they immediately started to brand and sell themselves as Twin Flames. I saw it slowly build up over years but I had no idea it had gotten this crazy.

[@Callmethebreeze902]

Creed Bratton “I have a lot of cult experience. You have a lot more fun as a member but make a lot of money as the leader.” 😂. I miss the office!!

[@christianebers]

Dr grande is the mega master coach!

[@kayem9909]

Been waiting for this thanks Dr. Grande!!

[@danielberg5049]

Dr. Grande is possibly my favorite KZbin personality. His videos are always informative and entertaining.

[@5p674]

It will always work for these people because of the high ratio of lonely people to sociopaths.

[@SynthoidSounds]

Very glad you did an episode about this. I've been participating with various topics on Quora, and somehow got plugged into the "twin flame" Q&A stream. OMG, the range of delusional TF fanatics, with their often emotional desperation to belong to something "important" is intriguing, but also very sad. These are mostly young people (teenagers to mid 20s), but sometimes older people (mostly women) who have been sucked into this vortex, clinging like barnacles to a rock, with their tf related dramas, often worried and panicking about their supposed tf partner not responding the way they're "supposed" to and so on.

[@vladimirputindreadlockrast812]

Well, five hit points awarded for not changing her name to Shalia Schabusiness...I guess the name was taken. I think what we're looking at here is a phenomenon familiar to popular culture, people inventing new religion and spiritual trademarked brand that will shorten the get rich process. I've personally known couples very similar to this one. Some benign and even helpful (artist communities), but there usually seems to be some egotist, notoriety dependency.

[@bthomson]

Always excited to hear!