Are console gamers delusional?

[@saad_ghannam]

Everybody gangsta until the math teacher puts his glasses on

[@420247paul]

he just butthurt someone said pc sucks

[@el_gabron]

@@420247paul wont change the facts he stated

[@thatoneguywholovesthena-4529]

​@@420247paul information flew right over your head lmao

[@kill3rbyysight]

no console gamers r not delusional... they just don't go into that much detail as they enjoy spending time playing games rather than toggling settings, updating drivers, & sorting out crashes... plus u can say PC guys r delusional.. as u can see em in every console video comment sections.. telling ppl to buy pc and how they rich and all that.. while in reality... most pc gamers play pirated games.. & have mid pc builds that can hardly compete with a much cheaper console like ps5... & PC guys also try to $hame console gamers while knowing de cost parity and performance that's coming out in that budget is really commendable... PC guys need to step up their game & grow some brain cells to behave maturely

[@kill3rbyysight]

I hope someday nature provides pc gamers some sense to understand that a console gamers does not sit so close to a screen... they sit like 5 to 8 feet from their screens.. so they don't need these unnecessary details

[@higgsbosonfan]

"But the box says 8k"

[@ArdaSReal]

@@higgsbosonfan well technically it is, in like 1 game lmao

[@TheGoreforce]

@@ArdaSReal no game, you're thinking of the 1 game that was 4k 120

[@ixximixxi]

@@higgsbosonfan is 1 game . Pc has zero games . Clown the next game is coming gt7 . Take The L pc clown 🤡.

[@BlackJesus8463]

lolz

[@bumblefoot5]

get a samsung A.I tv for 3-7 grand and you can have 8k. It upscales everything to 8k and redoes every individual setting on tv with the a.i per program

[@apostolos8734]

More ignorant than delusional. They have no idea what’s in their console, and most of them don’t care to know. That’s why they buy them, plug and play.

[@magicari8919]

and thats honestly fine. if someone just want to play a few games a year and they are pleased with whats on console, have at it, i dont think PC gamers need to go aorund and scold people aobut it lol.

[@MorningStar-1199]

​@@magicari8919 it is fine but the PC gamers are saying for that price you should be expecting more. Sony needs to be reminded of the PS3 launch which humbled them. Honestly the PS5 pro shouldn't exist tbh.

[@magicari8919]

@@MorningStar-1199 i just genuinely think people online think in a bit of a bubble and dont undrestand how little the average console player cares about how much better a PC can be. what is obvious to us isnt obvious to them, whats easy to us isnt to them, etc. people tend to forget theres tens of millions of people who are gamers, and the vast majority arent going on twitter/youtube/discord and talk about, its only the minority that cares enough.

[@omarcomming722]

Plug and play is utter bullshit in 2024. There's so little difference in easy of use between a PS5 and a PC with Steam that it's a non factor unless you're a literal alien with 0 experience with human technology. It's like people claiming iPhones are easier to use like it's 2010.

[@omarcomming722]

​@@MorningStar-1199you SHOULDN'T be expecting more for the price. Are you aware of how much a 3080/4070 PC costs in total?

[@AnomalyVoid]

Console gamers dont make the effort to be informed typically.

[@elmSTREETnasty]

Peasants gonna peasant.

[@Antek_S]

"But... but... but... it has 8K on the box!"

[@voongnz]

i feel attacked even though I'm a console and PC gamer :/

[@Kingswtech]

@@elmSTREETnasty😢😂😂

[@Kingswtech]

@@voongnzu shouldn’t 😂😂

[@Gamescommentary]

people misunderstand this because they just believe marketing lol

[@polarvortex6601]

dont distrust the power of the SSD, bigot lol

[@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd]

sounds like ps5 pro scares u ;)

[@Spaceman69420]

@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd weaker than my 4 year old 3080 and 5800x lol. bring on the rtx 5080 ;)

[@notesscrotes4360]

@@Spaceman69420 You bought your graphics card for more than the entire PS5 Pro costs, and your CPU for more than the normal PS5 costs. I don't think that's the same market.

[@julian2238]

I remember when PS5 was announced and you couldn’t get me to stop talking about 60 FPS 4K and ray tracing. Now that I’ve had a PC for a couple years I realize how misleading the marketing is, it’s actually crazy. I think it’s just genuine ignorance, people just haven’t experienced it so there’s naturally a lot of things you aren’t going to be aware of.

[@listX_DE]

Console Gamer: If PC is so good then why do we not have a PC2?? Edit: holy shit 500 likes 👍. Thank you guys. I am famous!!!

[@johnnydied9563]

Well technically their is a PC2. Their are also like a bunch more PC variations. Essentially I mean their are so many PC variations.

[@vettemaniac1]

@@johnnydied9563 currently on pc version 21 pc's , and i am a generation or 2 behind

[@johnnydied9563]

@@vettemaniac1Surprising your not on variation 546,464,135.

[@sherrydowns4052]

@@johnnydied9563more PC variations than ever!

[@adds-kz3oc]

PC is so good there is simply no need for PC2

[@jamiehav0k62]

i once spoke to a guy that insisted that a xbox 360 rendered games at 4k and said he knew best because "He was in IT" Then said the upcoming xbox one at the time would do 8k! This was a guy in his 20's Most ignorant numpty i've ever come across ever.

[@TheVanillatech]

The world is full of them. Probably a data clerk in some call centre.

[@christophermullins7163]

Average console player.

[@ArdaSReal]

@jamiehav0k62 nah ps6 going to run gta 6 at 16K 240fps 🤯🤯🤯

[@christophermullins7163]

@@ArdaSReal it better have 100+ times the performance of PS5. I'm not exaggerating.

[@ArdaSReal]

@christophermullins7163 it will bro and this time the controller has an inbuilt iPhone 21

[@AlexHusTech]

*It's hard selling a 1080P gaming machine to console players as they think their PS5/XSX is 4K native*

[@ultrademigod]

That's console peasants for you

[@HCIbn]

@KyleWhite-g1m I highly doubt it can run games at a stable 60fps using 1440p

[@DSN262]

​@KyleWhite-g1mHow did you measure that

[@JenovaGirzz]

​@@HCIbnmust not have played DeS remake

[@templarkid.]

*used to do at the beginning of the generation current games are running very poorly, specially on 60fps mode.

[@kim_4298]

"Misinformation is good as long as it aligns with my personal bias.” I found this on reddit

[@mr.t3782]

That is true with everything in life. Great quote 💪

[@puffyips]

Ignorance is truly bliss

[@aweirdwombat]

I saw someone say "it's nice to hear the truth and confirm what you were already thinking" once in Reddit. I thought they were joking but then I looked at their profile and the replies. They were serious and everyone around them was treating that statement like it was a good thing. I think I died a little inside in that moment. I didn't know people could wear their bias on their sleeves like that. I copied the quote to get the wording correct and for future reference, like posting it here.

[@pmac206]

Isn’t that the gamer motto ? lol

[@4566Iggy]

Irony is that Reddit is one of the most biased places on the internet and does just that.

[@momo.ru-kun]

I play both PC and console, both are just equally delusional. You buy a console for a specific reason. I used to game on PC and build my own rigs, but what many PC gamers overlook is the main advantage of consoles: you can just turn them on, play for 15-45 minutes, and relax on the bed or couch without worrying about optimizations, compatibility issues, game-breaking updates, or background apps interfering. Most of the time on PC, I found myself more focused on nitpicking game performance-obsessing over FPS and squeezing out maximum detail from my rig-than actually enjoying the games. I ended up spending more time and money on hardware than on the games I wanted to play. When you're tired from work, busy, or not having enough time, you don't have to deal with any of that hassle on a console.

[@NotRenjiro]

I rarely have those issues unless I used specialized most or software. With normal games I don't have these issues. Also obsessing over framerate is more of a you issue (no offense) than a PC issue. I check my fps on a new game: It's good? Enjoy game. It's not good? Check monitor settings (which takes 10 seconds9 - my pc can handle games pretty well.

[@cpt.battlecock5264]

Bruther if youre obsessing over details on games and thats taking away from your experience that feels like a you problem.

[@MakingPancakes]

I get you, i have a really nice setup that on paper outperforms everything else in my house that i just dont touch. Because its so much not even easier but, like i dont even know i cant describe why. But its just better to just press the power button on my steam deck or playstation and get to gaming without sitting there thinking about specs and minmaxing my peeformance. Its totally illogical i know but it really does just feel more comfortable for whatever reason

[@MakingPancakes]

Peeformance lol

[@FayN_]

i never really care about those when using pc tho and more relaxing using pc than console since i can switch between games, web browsing or many more activity using just my pc. console limited in that aspect and it kinda waste of money for me. the only good thing about console is probably excluvity, even that i dont really interested in their exclusive (the last exclusive im interested is bloodborne). most of ps excluve i like is ps2-ps3 titles that im able to run through emulator on my pc, making even more reason to not buy console.

[@JorgeCanela]

The thing is that most console owners couldn't care less about knowing anything about the system they are using. They simply expect to buy a console, buy a game and be able to play it. And I wish, that in some instances, PC users would be more like this. Comparing consoles and a PC is impossible, but calling the gamers dellusional is simply offensive. Because, I own both a gaming PC (Ryzen 7950X/RX7900GRE/64Gb) and a PS5, and have owned gaming PCs since 1996 (I gamed before that on PCs, but I would start the term "gaming PC" around 1996, with the first 3D accelerator cards) and consoles since 1990. And I could just as easily turn your argument on it's head. Aren't PC gamers completely delusional? We go and spend thousands and thousands of dollars on complicated hardware, spend hundreds and hundreds of hours setting up OSs, updates, apps, games, controllers (apart from the hardware side of building the PC itself) only to, ultimately, get the same gaming experience a console gamer gets with a fraction of the cost and a fraction of the time? Because you can't honestly tell me that playing a game in 1280x720 is fundamentally different from playing it at 3840x2160 with details maxed out. The bottom line has to be: to each his own. Nobody is delusional, because we individually use what we prefer and see fit to use. The game market is at it's current miserable state, exactly because people focus on the presentation of games and don't focus on having games that are fun to play. So in that way, you are a bit delusional.

[@GURSIMRAN-PSN]

so true

[@The92Waffles]

Yea, for me what works is to own a midrange gaming PC for PC exclusives and games that work best on mouse+kb, and a PS5 for everything else. I'm not ignorant to PC and Console hardware, I just prefer the simplicity of a console to spend my leisure time with. Nothing more nothing less

[@andreamaral9725]

Majority of console gamers are not gonna give a fuck about any of this. They just want something that'll play the new games easily, and they have that. The overgeneralization of the console gamers on this section is so toxic, do y'all not realize it's giving insanely bad rep for the PC community? Which already has a bad rep.

[@EthicalAllele]

Yeah, I saw half the top comments and thought "Did you guys not watch the video?" haha. Daniel explicitly pointed out how consoles have some advantages that PCs don't, and how PCs have some advantages that consoles don't. Both offer a good experience to their respective markets. (But the PS5 Pro is still way too overpriced for a console).

[@SubiKinubi]

Explaining facts is not giving yourself a bad reputation, that’s how people with low iq’s interrupt it

[@mimimimeow]

​@@EthicalAllele The people that will buy the Pro likely already has an OLED TV and 7.1 surround setup, in grand scheme of things 200 bucks is nothing lol

[@intermilan9731]

You consy gamers are such cute victims

[@jaquestraw1]

"Streaming looks like garbage compared to physical disc!" YES you are correct sir!! 4k blu ray is so superior and yet it is being phased out just like streaming audio vs CD or vinyl.

[@ArdaSReal]

@jaquestraw1 as long as bluerays don't cost like 2-3€ they can't compete against subscriptions

[@mosthated8848]

It's called you will rent everything not own anything and, be happy. That's the new elitist motto for plebs. Look it up comes from the World Economic Forum a bunch of billionaires communists.

[@andersjjensen]

Streaming audio is significantly better quality than CD.

[@mattrogers6646]

​@@andersjjensenAre you deaf?

[@jonevansauthor]

Taking out the disc is hilarious. Sony make disc drives themselves, and sell them to third parties and always have. The cost to them is minimal. We should also note they are a major film studio and should have a vested interest in selling their own 4K blu rays which are wildly expensive still so have a huge profit margin. They should advertise their blu-rays on playstation because those pseudo-gamers have no sense of self control or budgeting, and would happily buy them which would be great for all of us because prices could drop and great for Sony because they'd make more money. I really wish streaming 4K just let you download the film and did that by default so you could have true 4K. Most of tech tube doesn't seem to get that removing the disc drive is a huge slap in the face for their customers because it's got nothing to do with the pathetic selection of games you can use the thing to flail at because you don't have mouse and keyboard like a serious human being, it's all about the film collection.

[@duxnihilo]

I saw loads of people on twitter saying the PS5 Pro could outperform a 4090 lol

[@SubiKinubi]

It can… …when it’s turned off

[@penumbrum3135]

Only in power draw.

[@Anon1370]

let them stay misinformed its funny!

[@kerotomas1]

I mean loads of people still think Nvidia laptop GPUs are as fast as desktop ones so i'm not surprised lmao

[@P0iS0NdaRt]

Ahahhaahahahahahhahahaahahahahhahahahahahahah. Hahahahahahahahaahahhahahahahahahahha

[@LCC.Gaming]

People think that COD runs at 120 FPS with 4K Max graphics on PS5🤣

[@Jinkyuu1999]

I think it runs dynamic 1440p targeting 120fps! Same with the series X, except it almost locks 120fps! Yeah, that's a ridiculous notion!😂

[@Jaykurosakii]

It’s crazy to me how console gamers buy $2000-5000 tv’s but refuse to buy a pc lol

[@LCC.Gaming]

@@Jinkyuu1999 exactly, everything is tuned down to hit that frame rate which the PS5 and Series X struggle to keep at a lock. Yeah I saw this one TikTok where this dude said his Series X performs better in MW3 than his RTX 4090 PC🤣

[@LCC.Gaming]

@@Jaykurosakii honestly for console gaming, all you need is a decent 4K Smart TV and you’re set. Yeah spending $1K plus on a TV just for your PS5/Series X is hilarious🤣

[@Jinkyuu1999]

@LCC.Gaming True, an expensive 4k tv is for movies and streaming, not for 500-700 plastic box!

[@jetsp]

Many truths told in this video. Many people think they are playing at 4k 60 fps.. But they are not.. There is no frame counter, they don't know the resolution and graphics settings. Would this be an advantage? xD

[@zerosam5541]

Ignorance allow them to assume it's 60

[@smidlee7747]

When I'm having fun playing a game unless the frame rate drops like a rock I can't tell what the frame rate is.

[@nateh.4414]

The nicer tv's like the lg c1-3 have game mode that does tell you the framerate and resolution

[@TheGoreforce]

and with an imprecise controller, instead of a mouse, with controllers 30fps feels playable.

[@Rapunzel879]

Ignorance is bliss?

[@EmperorJMX]

Console Gamers main information source is Marketing.

[@godboy.123]

True

[@denhawken]

Lol that is mostly pc... now that digital foundry played on ps5 pro.. their story changed. They now think the GPU is relevant to a 4070ti. And they acknowledged they still don't have the full specs. And they did say they ran on base mode.. So you have an outdated video running off of old specs and speculation.. All the complaints came from a KZbin video running at 1080p. But did not think to run the Playstation download on 4k at full 4k specs.

[@Rolkey]

@@denhawkenWhat the hell are you even talking about…

[@rellikai945]

As a former console only gamer from the time I was 5 till I was 27, I can definitively say yes, they are all delusional.

[@formulaic78]

Haha, me too. But we were also a product of our environment. I knew very few kids with PCs because they were too expensive and unfashionable compared to consoles. Not knowing what we were missing was a good thing. Finding out has cost me thousands upon thousands with no end in sight!

[@elderman64]

​@@formulaic78 This is very relatable haha

[@UniversalStand]

Calm down Xbot refugee. We have seen footage of the Pro vs a 4070 with HFW. The differences are inconceivable. Also, footage of Hogwarts with the 4090 revealed PC to be better but not by the margin you geeks imagine.

[@elderman64]

@@UniversalStand Found the Console coping NPC

[@UniversalStand]

@@elderman64 you’re a hurting unit. 😵‍💫

[@JayzBeerz]

Most people who buy consoles have no clue of the specs.

[@chrissimao14]

And they shouldn't care... but at some point along the way, console only gamers started comparing specs for whatever reason.🎉

[@Sonic6293]

@@chrissimao14 Precisely. A console is an expected experience machine. A PC is a tool that happens to play video games.

[@YourFriendlyGymRat]

It's even because we don't care about those stuff , if I cared about high frame rates and super high resolution I'd would've bought a PC decades ago. However PC gamers make all these technical bs their whole personality 😂

[@yourlocalhuman3526]

They should care. If they did and took the time to research then they'd know that at the price that consoles are being sold Sony and Xbox are losing money on the sales themselves because the consoles cost more than they sell for and not expect any of the outlandish nonsense that Sony and Xbox advertise that their consoles can do​@@chrissimao14

[@iHaveTheDocuments]

​​@@YourFriendlyGymRat what he's saying is console peasants come into comment sections to defend their box with their lives, pretending to understand tech and they use that to defend it. It's embarrassing. Being ignorant with such overwhelming confidence is crazy

[@TheIndulgers]

Short answer - yes. Long answer - hell yes.

[@yousigiltube]

For me I seem to see a lot of bluster from PC gamers and they seem to always say 'this pc would cost less and do more blah blah' but I never see a REAL comparison. I'd like to see a side by side because usually they always claim 4 or 5 year old PC's would run the same but they forget about optimisation and the poor level of support old cards get. I'm not saying PC isn't more powerful BUT I want a real comparsion. Someone who buys the old parts and does a side by side on a newish game like Dragons Dogma 2, Final Fantasy 16 etc.Would be interesting and more informative than 'trust me bro'

[@bensmith5288]

​@@yousigiltubekeep coping son

[@bensmith5288]

​@@yousigiltubeconsoles are 4 generations behind my 4090 setup . Maybe 5 generations

[@pi4795]

​@@bensmith5288 series x was 2080S level, PS6 will be 5080/4090 level, so more like one generation

[@mitsubishidion8514]

@@pi4795 are you high? If ps6 would be on par with 5080/4090 level, your consoles will cost 1500 dollars or more... u crazy

[@nexusvideo]

Desktop pc components are not power constrained in the way consoles are. Consoles compare better with laptop hardware.

[@SquidBow]

But you can take laptop with you. Console has to stay pluged in

[@BeatmasterAC]

@@SquidBow Nintendo Switch: "Allow me to introduce myself."

[@antop4597]

@@BeatmasterAC my mobile phone has more power than a switch

[@retrofizz727]

@@antop4597 But your mobile phone is like 2 years old, the switch's tegra chip is almost 10 years old.

[@t3amb4sh]

@@retrofizz727 Yeah, that means there's more powerful handheld devices that you can take with you, but the OP talked about consoles, not handheld ones :)

[@rangersmith4652]

A game console competes with a PC like a screwdriver competes with a tool collection.

[@zodwraith5745]

That's not even fair unless the screwdriver had a monthly fee to use it, and all the screws compatible with it cost more than normal screws.

[@christophermullins7163]

Daaaayyyumm oof

[@WhiskeyGroove]

That lone screwdriver is now almost the same cost as your tool collection.

[@zodwraith5745]

@@WhiskeyGroove If you keep it long enough and buy a lot of screws for it, it WILL cost more than your entire tool chest.

[@dontmesswiththeinsomniac]

Not at all lol​.. you saying sub 700$ is almost equal to 1500-3000 $?? You freakin kidding me?@@WhiskeyGroove

[@jonathantrillington8291]

Its even worse than 4k 60- I know console people who think every game runs at 4k 120 (because the console is marketed as that) and with RT. Even when I explain that most games don't have RT, they say things like "maybe not on PC" or "no, it has RT"

[@AnEyeRacky]

Most people dont even have 120hz tvs...

[@jonathantrillington8291]

@@AnEyeRacky fr

[@bjarnis]

It's pointless to discuss hardware with console people, PC is something that takes quite a long time to really understand how it works in all aspects.

[@aeidengtfo6758]

Console gamers the people who will argue with you that their switch runs games just fine its probably just yours.

[@NewN0ld]

Lmao steam hardware analytics shows pc has the biggest peasant users in gaming. Consoles users cant add Gpu's to their setups and they are fine with the horsepower it gives. But pc gamers on steam can upgrade their pc and choose to stay like peasants and game on 1080p lmao.

[@gondorianslayer4250]

@@NewN0ld steam is the same as console, lol. its not the only community, lol.

[@NewN0ld]

@@gondorianslayer4250 mkay buddy if you say so lol

[@bjarnis]

​@@NewN0ldit's always at least one little kid with his little console in every thread, quite cute. Did mommy give you cookies today?

[@sapphyrus]

1080p should have been the minimum base input resolution required for upscaling and developers should have been forced to follow that as a baseline. No matter how good their new upscaler is, 864p is way too low as sufficient input data when blowing it up to 4K on a big TV. Maybe if it was a handheld with lower output resolution.

[@ArdaSReal]

@sapphyrus yeah I'm also seriously wanting to see that lol and I say that as someone who played release cyberpunk on ps4, shit looked like a mobile game

[@andreamaral9725]

I agree with that, so many games out there having the recommended specs not actually perform at a decent level unless it's upscaled from low resolution which makes it look horrible.

[@via_negativa6183]

720 can look fine with dlss it's when they go lower than that it starts to become a mess but fsr is not even in the same ballpark so you are probably right there

[@stangamer1151]

If we are talking about 4K screens, then, yes, 100% true. But in case of 1440p something like 850p still looks decent in many games. Even path traced Cyberpunk looks fine with DLSS set to 60% (~860p) - significantly better then at Balanced preset (836p). Balanced is noisier and more shimmery.

[@SquidBow]

"Optime your game better"

[@kyus1974]

They accept 30fps in 2024, and you're asking if they are delusional.

[@marvinmallette6795]

Sony has made remarks that a significant portion of PlayStation gamers choose "Performance Mode" over the 30 FPS "Quality Mode", indicating that they do not simply accept "30 FPS". These remarks are somewhere in the PlayStation 5 Pro console release media. The situation might be worse if they chose a PC over a console, and which requires a lot more fiddling with settings and knowledge about hardware selection. 60 FPS is preferable, 30 FPS is the minimum acceptable. Generally the sacrifice of 30 FPS instead of 60 FPS is preferred if the graphical bump is bigger than the difference between the PS5 Performance Mode and the PS5 Pro.

[@Dempig]

You act like most pc users arnt using 1080p in 2024 lol, just as bad. Even 1440p is outdated and ugly.

[@marvinmallette6795]

@@Dempig Some do prefer 4k resolutions. The consoles are not providing that consistently with their upscaling from 540p and what not. PCs do get closer to that 4k, being able to more consistently upscale from a 1440p minimum at the high end. 1080p gets closer to that sweet, sweet, 60 FPS, if you're not looking at triple digit frame rates on previous gen ports and such. 1080p/240Hz (240 FPS) vs 4k/30 FPS (60Hz). Do you want a Myst style beautiful slide show, or a Half-Life 2 style smooth running game?

[@Dempig]

@@marvinmallette6795 Even upscaled 4k looks MUCH MUCH MUCH better than native 1080p. 1080p is literally unplayable it looks so bad no matter how much fps you get.

[@marvinmallette6795]

@@Dempig Given displays are sold with the expectation of a specific viewing distance, I'm not generally sitting close enough to a 4k display to notice any benefit. Maybe my 12" Surface Pro 4 looked marginally better than most 1080p displays, but I'm not really affected by the difference when I switch to a lower resolution device. Frame Rate affects me significantly more, with anything below 40 FPS being unbearable.

[@JasonChen927]

It's okay to be casual gamers and sometimes lack of correct information, but it's not okay to assume others are wrong and attack different opinions.

[@JasonChen927]

Casual gamers can be both console and PC gamers.

[@andersjjensen]

This is the internet.... You're supposed to stick your fingers in your ears and go "LA-LA-LA-LA-CAN'T-HEAR-YOU" when someone says something you don't already belive.

[@retrofizz727]

Honestly when I was 6 years old playing super mario sunshine on the gamecube, I didn't give a single sh*t about performances and the game was running at 25fps... but I miss this time so much, playing without complaining paying attention to details, while just genuinely enjoying the game at 100%, fully immersed is just gold

[@kaleb51]

Console gamers and iphone users have a lot in common

[@SweBeach2023]

Both prefer to just use the technology as intended and make a lot of money working the rest of the time as compared to fucking around with different settings and hardware just to get it to work?

[@FollowingStorm0]

Yeah. They both aid in the downfall of gaming as an entertainment medium by proxy of capitalistic vectors of monopolization and exploitative practices to extract money from people regardless of the platform rather than being a collective of informed, passionate consumers that have enough of a spine to demand longevity and quality art by virtue of videogames of course being an artistic medium. PC gaming shall reign supreme, if we wish to see better games and a healthier industry flourishing with more creativity and passion again.

[@donnys9259]

In what way?

[@IVIRnathanreilly]

​@@SweBeach2023 I could just say something stupid back. But all I'll do is point out how funny it is that people have a superiority complex over having a 3 year old used phone thinking it's better than having a new android. People aren't even buying new iPhones nowadays but still think it makes them look rich, marketing sure has some people by the balls.

[@IVIRnathanreilly]

​@@donnys9259 More expensive in the long run, completely walled garden, an excuse from most people being that "it just works" Not sure if that's what he meant, but that's 3 easy to see similarities.

[@nerdybrothers]

Thank you so much! As a dumb console owner and PC noob, this was super helpful. Question for you. I’m a big fan of Jedi Survivor despite its faults, and own it on both PS5 and Series X. I have the LG C9 4K/120 MHz TV. I noticed that that I see the occasional screen tearing on the PS5 version but never notice it on the XBOX. Is this a result of the differences in the VRR range between both consoles? XBOX VRR is 20 - 120 MHz and PS5 is 48 - 120 MHz. Meaning, is this like the FF XVI example, where the game is dipping below 48 fps on performance mode, and that makes the tearing more evident given the differences in the VRR range for both consoles? Is the PS5 PRO VRR range any different than the base PS5?

[@MrEditorsSideKick]

Bro didn't even notice this... @danielowentech

[@AnalogFoundry]

Actually, the CPU inside PS5 isn't an older Zen architecture compared to Ryzen 5 3600, the 3600 is Zen 2 and so are the console CPUs. They're basically using an AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 4750G downclocked which is a mobile variant/cut-down 3700X. Cut-down in terms of L3 cache, clocks... There's also a 4800S desktop kit which is basically a mATX board with 16GB of GDDR6 memory and a pre-installed Xbox Series X APU with the integrated GPU disabled, for use as a desktop machine. The CPU is fully functional. Digital Foundry did a review of that, not too long ago.

[@PlatinumArms]

I've noticed that whenever a company has a performance uplift of lets say 45%. The company probably got that percentage in one specific game in one specific area. I'm betting it's more likely a 20%-30% uplift in reality. Also I believe the GPU of the PS5 is equivalent to a slightly underclocked RX6700. I don't believe that the PS5 Pro will have the same power as an RX 6800 that is actually 44% more powerful that a RX 6700 that is NOT underclocked like the PS5.

[@Tastou]

Key words are "up to". If you see that, it means "less than".

[@zodwraith5745]

I'm going to assume the PS5 Pricey edition will also have to underclock it's GPU. That case is still suffocating compared to a real GPU.

[@PlatinumArms]

@@zodwraith5745 On AMD GPUs, I noticed that underclocking drops the voltage a lot which also lowers temps even with no undervolt offset. Also I completely agree that PS5 is most likely getting horrible ventilation in comparison to most PCs.

[@bearwynn]

yeah PS5 pro is "up to" 45% more powerful and we are supposedly comparing to GPU performance that is on AVERAGE 45% - 60% more powerful. There will be a bigger gap in performance than people at this time think.

[@niebuhr6197]

Rx 6800 is very underclocked TF are you talking about? The gpu in the PS5 Pro clocks about the same or more, has the same number of compute units but they have more throughput clock for clock. PS5 Pro is faster than RX 6800.

[@nothingisawesome]

im old, i really dont want to sound like a PC master race douche but ya, there is a big misunderstanding on how consoles work

[@kelcelgamingT30]

I used to be a console fan, it's good to play games on a controller while sitting comfortably on a couch far from the tv. Now, I sold my consoles (PS3 Slim and PS4 Pro). I realized that the money I spent on subscription and games in consoles is much more than buying a mid-range PC. Also, now that I'm on PC, I can still play on a controller, sitting on a couch far from the monitor and tv. I can also play old games from Sega/Nintendo/PS1/PS2/PS3 era with offline coop split screen. I get to play online games without subscription, I get to have free games from Epic Store which doesn't need subscription to be played offline, and MOST OF ALL I GET TO SAIL THE WILD SEAS FOR GAMES THAT I DON'T WANT TO SPEND MONEY. All of that from a $750 PC (R7 5700x, Rx 6800, M.2 NVMe 2tb = 50% off all from the used market)

[@TheVanillatech]

I used to be a tractor fan - well actually I was into ALL kinds of farming machinery. Used to have loads of tiny models of harvesters etc all over my bedroom. I actually made them myself with glue and painted them. That was back in the 70's. Then I got married and had kids and kinda grew out of all that. My daughter got married the other day! I went to the party after the wedding and suddenly all the guests started shouting and screaming! "THERES A FIRE!" someone shouted! I could see the room filling up with smoke! So I ran over to the middle of the hall and started sucking up all the smoke! HUGE lungfuls of it, and then I ran over to the window and blew it all out! There was silence. Peopel just stared at me in awe. Women fainted, and little kids dropped their icecream. One girl came over to me and said "Sir, HOW did you do that? THAT WAS AMAZING!". ANd I just looked around and said "Guys .... didn't you know? IM AN EX-TRACTOR FAN!".

[@zodwraith5745]

Console fanboys have to desperately cling to only comparing to full new PC builds because they can't find used PS5s as easily (nearly impossible at the start of a generation), let alone upgrade a PS4 like you can with an older PC. If you already have that KB/M, case, PSU, cooler and storage that PC rebuild quickly gets cheaper than a new console, or notably more powerful for the same costs. And while no one wants to openly admit it and use the P word that alone is the final nail in the console coffin. I still spend way too much money on games and won't hesitate to buy them for multiplayer, but that's the best way to demo games when it's so rare that developers release demos anymore. There's WAY too many games I uninstalled within 10 minutes thinking "Thank God I didn't pay for that PoS." Even Steam will offer a refund for a short while after a purchase, whereas the Playstation store doesn't the second you start to download a title.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

Can you play spider man 2?

[@zodwraith5745]

@@overtherenowaitthere LoL, if you only knew..... I finished Spiderman 2 _long_ ago on PC.

[@lachlanB323]

@@overtherenowaitthere Not yet, but you can play lethal company, palworld, Minecraft java edition, BTD6, Valheim, old/recent nintendo games, playstation 1 and 2 games, all xbox games, terraria calamity edition... I think of it as a spin off of terraria even though it is technically a mod, rounds... also on xbox but not PS5, the Isle, your only move is hustle, among us was on PC for 5+ years before console, league of legends, WOW, runescape, club penguin lol, counter strike 2, TF2... can you play these games on PS5? Minecraft java, lethal company and the isle are my top 3 games... and you're telling me I can't play them on PS5? Instant no no from me!

[@theurbanyouth]

They simply lie about PC gaming, they fib that you can't game with a controller on PC, when PC games have gamepad compatibility, PCs do have bluetooth controller support and they falsely claim the hardware is astronomical if you want to play new games on PC when it's not. They're coping with the fact they're getting ripped off with consoles.

[@lolmao500]

Fun fact : Red dead redemption is finally coming to PC this year. Rockstar did an update on steam in secret but it was found out... finally.

[@mosthated8848]

Imagine if they use the Red Dead 2 game engine (wow)

[@zjunk4877]

Fun fact: I already played it on PC at 4k/60 when the Switch version was released. 😅

[@wolveric0]

i really hope is not another GTA def edition situation, i really want to have a native PC version of RDR, i did played the emulated switch version though 😂.

[@SquidBow]

Now all we need is bloodborne, but the emulator progress is fast

[@mchonkler7225]

​@@SquidBow For real. Why isn't bloodborne on PC yet? It's not like it's helping sell consoles now that it's so old. And even if it was, they'd make more on the PC sales.

[@wusaint]

Since going PC a few years back because I couldn't even find a PS5 to buy, I'm never going back. Once you get used to playing games at 140+fps you just can't go back. There's pretty much no downsides. If I want to play on my TV instead of my dual monitor setup I can stream it to my TV. I don't have to pay for the privilege of playing my games online. I can buy from multiple online stores instead of 1. Games are more affordable and quite often free. I can build on my PC and keep it relevant for years to come. I can play my games on the go with my Steamdeck. The sky is the limit when it comes to peripherals. Etc...

[@fnjydtfdtjdtj]

GTA 6

[@wusaint]

@@fnjydtfdtjdtj it will come to PC just like all the other GTA titles.

[@nukesakuukasekun9050]

@@wusaintyeah 2 years after. I aint defending the PS5 pro but console exclusives were a must for me. It’s what got me invested into the original PS2 because it had console exclusives.

[@wusaint]

@@nukesakuukasekun9050 I've owned every PlayStation since the OG. Technically we have a PS5 in the house but it just collects dust in my son's room. I don't mind waiting for exclusives to make their way to PC because they are usually better than they were originally and I have an embarrassingly big Steam backlog lol. Only exclusive I thought I'd miss was Gran Turismo but they kinda messed up that beloved franchise. Seriously wanted to cry because I was a long time fanboi of the series.

[@nukesakuukasekun9050]

@@wusaint cmon now thats why I don’t get the beef between all this. In the end, the people that make the damn products are in cahoots in the loosest sense. You work in the same industry as your competitors you’re bound to rub elbows once. It only matters if we the consumers see it for what it is

[@Malinkadink]

People need to understand that we who watch and understand this kind of content are the minority of the minority. Consoles are great for the normies who are aloof to technical details and just want something that's plug and play. I have a 4090 PC but also a PS5 mostly for exclusives and I will be upgrading to a PS5 Pro. I have never seen this much controversy over $200 when compared to the base console.

[@ArdaSReal]

@Malinkadink why upgrade, exclusives will run great on base ps5 too, no?

[@nukesakuukasekun9050]

@@ArdaSRealNaaaaaaaaah G, when I get a bit more money after rent I’m gonna go see if Gamestop willing to exchange my PS5 slim for the Pro. I haven’t touched FF7REB yet and after I’m done with P3R Episode Aigis + SMT5V I’m sinking my teeth in that one. Who knows, maybe down the line 6-8 months they’ll be cheaper than what they’re being sold for. Time will tell. I’m getting it not but now.

[@ret-j6w]

PCkek here I wish I had a console I'm tired of counting pixels with a glass

[@GKR7]

You have to be somewhat delusional to be paying $80 dollars a year to access online multiplayer when your already paying for internet.

[@SquidBow]

80 dollars a year for online play? Bruh...

[@JesterHavoc96]

@@SquidBowtry $150 for me

[@BeatmasterAC]

not to mention $75 for a controller (Sony announced to raise the price of Controllers, about $5) another $70 to $80 per Game Sony is trying hard to get those 200+ Millions back from the Concord Fiasco.^^

[@retrofizz727]

at least they give you free games in that thing, but 80$ is waaay too much and it's not even the premium subscription...

[@EldenLord00]

It’s like 120$

[@ogaimon3380]

console can do 4k the same a pc from 2009 can also do 4K,throw at it a low-end game that needs nothing to run

[@robovinefilms1811]

When I was just a console gamer I knew nothing about hardware. My PC friend in highschool looked at me like a knuckle dragging caveman when I tried to hype the PS4's Teraflops.

[@SyntaxDaemon]

You can honesty just say "yes" and call it a day. Unfortunately, this video will not change any opinions. Just earlier today I saw someone saying how their PC, which was much more powerful than a PS5, couldn't run a game at 4k60, so they refunded and bought on console instead. Absolutely insanity. They're beyond our help.

[@GhoulSolo___]

Maybe he was trying to run it at max settings at 4K 60 for some reason

[@11Wario]

well, if you spend 2000 on pc and your expectations are 4k60, you might say screw it and stick to the 500 dollar console be happy and save money.

[@SyntaxDaemon]

@@GhoulSolo___ I'd expect nothing less.

[@SyntaxDaemon]

@@11Wario He refunded the game, not the PC lmao

[@mimimimeow]

PC builder here. It's not the user's job to test things out. We might like tinkering with settings, but the majority don't. If the game doesn't work well, why should they tolerate the nonsense. If everyone had this mentality maybe Nvidia will put a stable driver for once.

[@ChristopherOrmond]

There is no point in buying a PlayStation if it doesn't come with a Blu-ray player to watch my media collection!

[@jnjuice1690]

It makes sense a lot of console people know little about all of this because they bought a console to SKIP having to know all this.

[@retrofizz727]

Especially if video games is just a random hobby for you, you just want to play and that's it, you don't care about anything else. It just needs to work.

[@mimimimeow]

@@retrofizz727 Sadly a rightful mentality that is misunderstood among PC gamers, all in the name of "PC skills". Nvidia has been lacking in driver stability and GPU pricing and they all tolerated it within days. The average console owner would've returned it to store en masse and force the manufacturer to fix it before more parents return their kids' consoles.

[@retrofizz727]

@@mimimimeow Truuue but honestly just in general I think it's two different platforms for different target users and usages, I like to have both and it's funny when some PC gamers think they are smarter than they are really, while they can't build the pc themselves and they have no idea what their components are doing, if the pairing is good, etc. Then they are complaining at the first issue and have no idea what to do. Yup you're on pc buddy stay on console if you have no idea what you're doing. Also just as dumb as console fans doing their little playstation/xbox war haha

[@NotRenjiro]

@@mimimimeow Nvidia is overrated anyway. Overpriced for very little extra performance compared to their older models.

[@malty776]

"My 1milion ferrari is better than that popular car"

[@luqnotperfect]

Windows is the main issue on PC Gaming. PS5 doesnt have to deal with dx12 as Digital Foundry said

[@chris666]

“PS5 isn’t even using its full potential” is the worst thing I see in their forums

[@Crimsongz]

Man can’t believe I got the PS6 in advance at the start of this year with my 4080 Super ! 🤣

[@History_Nerd_old]

Nah that's the ps7 pro

[@mrdappernature8861]

Yeah you about 7 years ahead of the console.

[@Dempig]

Many PC gamers do the same thing with dlss. They say they are playing 4k or whatever but leave out its with dlss/fsr upscaling

[@via_negativa6183]

Yeah but in the case of dlss, in some games it actually produces a superior picture to native

[@luce3]

Dlss looks much better than the ps5 upscaling so whats ur point, sometimes you dont even relise the difference

[@hfjtrytry9216]

@@via_negativa6183 no it does not. It may look very close to the eye but there IS a difference.

[@ume-f5j]

DLSS is far superior to the upscaling the PS5 currently uses

[@Dempig]

@@luce3 I can clearly see the difference even at 4k. Its still upscaling, and still much worse than native. My point is that its NOT native resolution, being better than other upscaling dosnt mean its not upscaling.

[@Juice_VI]

I’ve built several PCs. I’m old and lazy and busy with work and two kids. I got tired of messing with everything on PC. It’s absolutely more powerful. But I don’t care anymore. I just want to hit the button and I want it to work extremely easily every time. It’s setup on my desk with a monitor and it works great. Consoles are great and PCs are great. You just have to pick the one that fits your needs best.

[@malty776]

I was way happier when i didn't know what resolution and fps are.

[@michaelthompson9798]

As a consumer having choice, simplicity or more complexity between console and pc gaming is good imo 🥰💪👍. But regardless of gaming machine, I think you also need some knowledge and understanding (as shown in this video about console / pc quality and resolution settings) and knowing what’s best for you and your needs😉🙂‍↕😉

[@leonfrancis3418]

Focusing on the most delusional statements from people of a cohort, and then making that the stance of the cohort as a whole, is akin to me taking the kid from the Verge PC Build video, and saying he's an example of all PC builders and PC gaming enthusiasts.

[@ishay3000]

Pc gamers are unironically trying to help but the console fanboys religiously defend the multi billion dollar company that keeps trashing them lol

[@Highlander77]

Regarding the cost/value comparison pf the PS5 Pro to the base model (and keep in mind I'm going based on the American prices, since that's the market I'm in), one thing worth mentioning is that there are other improvements beyond just increased graphical capabilities. You're also getting double the internal storage space (2TB up from 1TB) as well as WiFi 7 capabilities. The extra storage space alone is probably worth about $100, going by the current prices of comparable SSDs.

[@ImUrMISERY]

What you said in the beginning is why a ps5 pro is coming out lol.

[@xpodx]

But if you watch the whole video the pro will do the same thing just run better. Still weak.

[@L0L247]

Not even a 4080 is outputting most modern games at 4k natively at high frame rates. I use DLSS with max settings just to get 120hz with PVP games.

[@amzgamingx]

I feel like the same can be said for PC players too. I've seen some people compare the RX 6600 to the PS5's GPU (which is roughly equivalent to an RTX 2070 Super or RX 6700). I built a $800 ish PC last year (rx 7600, i5-12400f), and while it performs well, there are some games that run smoother and more consistently on the PS5. Compared to my PC, I’ve experienced fewer driver timeouts, stutters, and frame time spikes. The amount of troubleshooting involved in diagnosing issues like driver timeouts, frame drops, stutters on a game-checking FPS, tweaking settings and having to go look for optimized settings is honestly just really frustrating ... compared to simply sitting on the couch and playing on the PS5, is a big difference. PS5 games are just way better optimized than pc sadly, one example being forbidden west performing better and using higher quality textures on the performance mode meanwhile i cant get a locked 60 fps experience on 1440p using upscaling with dynamic res. PS5 outputs its performance mode to 1800p with a locked 60fps... I dont even pay for ps plus too.

[@ozil-esque670]

As both a PC/console owner I feel validated, I own a higher end PC than yours and I love the convenience of consoles mate, the amount of days I just come home from work and just kick back. I spend more time on my PS5 😅 than my PC

[@ZackSNetwork]

The PS5 and Series X run the majority of demanding games at below 1440p native resolution to target 60fps.

[@nunoespiritosanto789]

​@@ZackSNetwork People with a $1000 pcs aren't also playing games at their native res and will need FSR/DLSS/XESS for those demanding games. All these upscalers using quality at 1440p render those games sub 1080p btw. I mean look at his gpu no offence to him but dude paid 800 for his entire pc and is still struggling to run games SMOOTHLY and mind you his he's got 8gb of vram so allot of games optimized on the ps5 are gonna take advantage of its 12GB usable frame buffer so games will obviously look allot better. The crazy part is he built his pc last year and got a 7600 and i5 12400 under 800 in his build which I'm not gonna lie is a pretty decent build if you look back at the prices but man that's how messed the pc market is.

[@overtherenowaitthere]

Yup cuz it may surprise you but companies prioritize the console versions, and the api software to hardware that is on the actual silicon itself is proprietary and are available to these developers for rendering games. It’s way harder to optimize these same sort of features for pc users because of the insane variety of hardware software combinations that they don’t have to worry about for each respective console version. Your pc is built to take advantage of everything a pc can do, you can’t specialize your pc to the same extent as a gaming console.

[@amzgamingx]

@@overtherenowaitthere I guess this goes to show how bad the entry-level PC market is, as my $800 PC built in 2023 doesn't even offer a significant performance gap over a $500 console from 2020.

[@face23bkny]

@daneil Owen Aren’t pc gamers doing the same thing with DLSS rendering games at 1080p upscaled to 4k to get more performance especially if you don’t have a high end rig which most pc gamers don’t have and native resolutions are irrelevant nowadays with things like fsr2 , DLSS, XESS , PSSR what’s important is not quantity of pixels but the quality of the rendering image on your screen

[@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd]

hes delusional, he made this video because the pro is better than his pc

[@pweddy1]

“games come out first for consoles.” There’s a 50 year backlog of games I can play. And one of my favorite games to this day is still the original quake. Yep by modern standards , it’s ugly. But it plays amazing. I’d rather buy an old game for five bucks than a new game, that might actually suck and it has to be patched a dozen times before it’s complete, for $70.

[@ManGrieves]

Hey Daniel, the GPU in the PS5 Pro has the same compute units as a 7800M, the 7800M will be in the same ballpark performance of something like a 6800-6800XT but with better raytracing performance and on a newer node. So for a fair analysis you might as well use that as the equivalent over the 6800.

[@thelazyworkersandwich4169]

Yes. Just like many PC users. It's called marketing.

[@EthicalAllele]

I completely agree! Whether console or PC, we are all somewhat delusional. I don't think you can be human without being a little delusional. We just have to be aware of it and address our ignorance rationally when it is exposed.

[@aniak2359]

The circle jerking of Owens and the comments here, jeez. Not beating the PC cringe lord stereotypes allegations. The deliberate omission that PS5 settings are optimized for couch distance play and not monitors, the suggestion that many ps5 games are cpu bound, when in fact that's not the case. Focusing FF XVI when that's a notorious outlier on 60 fps image quality/ performance, I could go on but this is very weird tbh. I cringed so hard reading these comments that it seriously made me consider if it's all just fomo and I better spend money on something else.

[@EthicalAllele]

@@aniak2359 I don’t think the top comments in this comment section are circle jerking Daniel at all. They clearly didn’t watch to 21:40 where he discusses how consoles have some advantages and disadvantages that that fit the needs of some people and how PCs have some advantages and disadvantages that fit the needs of other people. Both can be a great choice for the right customer.

[@aniak2359]

@@EthicalAllele ...Seriously? Like 90% of the comments here are cringe smug pc fanatics ones. It's pretty self evident; I have eyes, I can read them. If that isn't a circle jerk, nothing is. With that title Owen jumpstarted it by flattering PC fanboys egos needing validation for overspending on fomo and the rest followed.

[@EthicalAllele]

@@aniak2359 Looks like you've made up your mind 👍. I'm sure you'll enjoy your choice.

[@JustChillinOnThe5thFloor]

Console idea is cool but monopoly like prices, planned obsolensence, paying to play online, and lack of data security.

[@Therapy.Gaming]

I’m a ps5 gamer, honestly been trying to save for a PC ever since looking into PC videos. Longevity is so much better with PC whereas on console we’re always limited to what Sony have planned next.

[@slythorn7482]

Welcome to the PC Master Race 👍

[@vaiman7777]

You're not missing anything. TBH you get more on console, as us PC fools wait longer, get poor versions, and pay way more. Yes there's positives, but these videos need to be taken for what they are... clicks

[@ChamaUFC300]

@@slythorn7482master race that wont even have gta 6 for 1-2 years ? Interesting

[@slythorn7482]

@@ChamaUFC300 The version of GTA VI you’ll get on consoles will be disappointing, just like the one you played on Xbox 360 and PS3 with GTA V. After all, you console "players" are half blind. You won’t notice any difference.

[@UsernameInvalid48]

There are advantages to both. PC the games are generally cheaper and go on sale more often. PS5 is more user friendly and typically just works without any troubleshooting. Graphics can be way better on PC but you also spend way more. PS5 Pro is honestly not a terrible deal even if it should still be cheaper.

[@Razor2048]

One thing that many people don't consider when doing console vs PC, is that it is never an either or situation. People are not choosing between owning a console or a PC. Instead it is going to always be owning a PC, and possibly owning a console in addition. With that in mind, it is better to consider what would happen if someone invests the cost of a gaming console into the cost of a non-gaming PC that they would have gotten anyway. From that standpoint, a console becomes the worst possible value.

[@diazea4294]

I'm wondering if the increased ray tracing hardware is simply what they get from the RDNA 2 to RDNA 3 bump. Also did they say it had dedicated hardware for the AI upscaling or just say they had AI based upscaling? You can for example run XESS on games with any GPU no dedicated "upscaling" processor needed.

[@alexandercheskis]

It is shocking how many people do not understand what a render resolution is. I have seen people go to bat and die on the hill of "my tv says 4k, thats how i know my ps5 running at 4k" I try to guide them to your channel but they don't care. Dunning Kruger is so real, so strong, so scary. About ps5pro.... so playstation set precedent with their ps4pro being priced at the original MSRP, and for that i think "yeah ok, not too shabby" but to have to purchase an entire console at cost for just a gpu upgrade, the value proposition is disappearing fast. If you never bought a ps5, hell yeah, rock on. If you did, now you gotta sell that at a huge loss and purchase the whole system again with a bigger hd and better gpu. It is basically an ewaste nightmare too, regardless of price. As other people stated, ps5+ps5pro (with a drive if you need one) +4 years of PSN if that is how you play online? The game savings from PC make pc actually really even out over longer than a 3 year period.

[@chadstudd1616]

You can get cheap ps+ and don't need it for all games.... you can also bring over your slim disc drive over

[@alexandercheskis]

@@chadstudd1616 I dont have a slim disk and PS+ is ok..... but i can play online for free on pc, and i PC games pass still has day one on triple A gaming. I just don't see the gaming value in the normal ps+ outside of online play. I own most the old games they release on the basic that i would want to play. Either on pc or on ps5 already. The premium offerings seem too pricy and still dont offer the specific games that make it worth it to me. Sony went "Gaming is expensive, here" i get it, the didnt wanna foot the bill for this one. Welcome to having to replace your entire computer just to upgrade your gpu.

[@Ron-F]

Most savvy console gamers are aware of the limitations of their consoles. However, the comfort of playing from your sofa and the convenience of not having to tweak settings or deal with the quirks of Windows more than make up for these limitations.

[@TheVanillatech]

Ive been playing PC from my sofa / bed for a decade. Wireless keyboard and mouse and I game on a 42" OLED LG TV since 2014. I have a 27" ASUS IPS panel on my desk for when I wanna do some drawing or play a strategy game though. Better to sit with good posture in a real chair if you're gonna be playing for 3+ hours.

[@NewN0ld]

@@TheVanillatech Yeah you game on a 42 inch LG oled since 2014 when the first 42 inch lg oled was launched in 2022. You are just a peasant who makes up shit. Get yourself a 77 inch or 83 inch oled and come back with a more believable story.

[@BasedBebs]

Seems there's a large chunk of people that don't understand there's nothing stopping you from using a controller on your PC or plugging your PC into a TV.

[@NewN0ld]

@@BasedBebs nah people just dont care as much as you folks do. People play on whatever devices they like to play on. Steamdeck is extremely populair and the specs are below average. Only a small portion of people care about graphics.

[@bfhandsomeface409]

Yeah, the UI and ease of use is really nice on a console, and now the power will be very good also

[@isanvicente1974]

as an electronic engineer, and university teacher , i find lot of pc gamers that are as delusional as console fanboys... people gets so emotional they tend to do not use brain, is a typical behaviour nowadays... i find people saying for example amd gpus are very bad without even trying them... or people saying that apple iphones are much better than androids... is about branding... nvidia fanboys, amd fanboys, intel fanboys, ps fanboys apple fanboys... there are even people that says earth is flat... we are in the era of AI and people behave like in medieval times...so please those pc people that says console guys are idiots first try to understand how a denoiser works in RT and if you do then give lessons to others about technology...

[@dumb_bunny5594]

fair enough I was unfortunate enough to start my pc building journey earlier this year with a 7900GRE and I wasn't happy with the performance I've since moved to a 4080S I haven't tried intel but it's not as plug and play as a amd from what I've seen online but like with many aspects of different things I personally have no favorites I just want a good gaming performance if intel blows it out of the park with their 15th gen then I might look in their direction same with amd and their gpus but as I stand right now the 7800X3D and 4080S offer what I'm looking for in the future that may change and I like the competition of companies to push each other forward

[@stevenostrowski6552]

@@dumb_bunny5594 genuinely asking what type of games and what resolution are you playing? i build a new pc this year too with a GRE and a 3440x1440p monitor and im pretty happy with the performance.

[@dumb_bunny5594]

@stevenostrowski6552 i tried a few different games from call of duty, dead space 2, dead space remake,harold halibut on gamepass I tried 4k just for lols and then went down to 1440p I tried all the way from low to max just to range the card and this may not be the case anymore but when I got the gpu it was just released in America so around late February early March I had microstutter no matter what i did with the thing no matter what settings or resolution it even showed up in the frametime graph I went online amd wouldn't you know it others had the same issue I'm sure it got ironed out and so it soured my taste and I went to nvidia swapped it for a 4070 super for $40 cheaper and now I'm on a 4080 super and it has been nothing but plug and play from that point

[@isanvicente1974]

@@dumb_bunny5594 i have a 7900 and no stutters at all, normally stutters come from a power supply with not enough power or an old cpu , or just the gpu was wrong, i need it because i use 3 monitors, and i had problems with nvidia with the third monitor , so the opposite than you, that is the good thing at at the same time the bad thing about pc, in console you almost never have HW and SW problems...

[@dumb_bunny5594]

@@isanvicente1974 well I got a 750w evga psu that I still use with 4080s and I have a 5600X3D and mines was the 7900gre not the base 7900 or 7900XT so none of those things was the reason, it could have been a defective card whatever the case though I've gone power Hungry after the 4080s spoiled me so I will wait until amd comes back after the top spot (sorta as the XTX compares to the 4080s and they had no offering to compare to the 4090) and with amd saying next gen they are shooting for mid range it will be a bit before I look that way again but I think that amd cards are good even with my not so pleasant first experience with one just not what I'm personally looking for (I'm really eyeballing the 5090 when it releases either end of this year or q1 next) should the time come that I want to build another amd computer and with next gen amd only being in the 5-7 hundred dollar mark I'll be keeping a eye out for that as well

[@issaciams]

I can't believe or understand that PC can't stream in 4k!!!! That is a huge inconvenience. Does anyone know why PC can't do it?

[@TM1337FalconPunch]

I was just playing FFXVI last night on my PC and it offers FSR 3. I'm guessing this is the same on console, but they've obviously updated it.

[@Monster-Abee]

Consoles are consoles. PC is PC. Anybody who wants the Pro doesn't want a PC. That's the point.

[@marvinmallette6795]

While "true", I can't help but reflect on the Steam Deck. The Steam Deck is technically a "PC" by that statement. However, the Steam Deck is a console, and I don't think it can be argued otherwise.

[@hornantuutti5157]

Well it can be argued. You can freely swich os to it and do what ever you do with pc. Even to use as only pc. I would really like to see how you explain why you even think it would be a console? Must have been some strong mushrooms that led to such brainstorm lol.

[@EldenLord00]

I think you can build a good pc instead

[@VatiWah]

"plug in and play" mentality is kinda weird. even an 8 year old can build a PC these days with minimum effort because almost everything just fits. its not like trying to figure out linux and spending HOURS trying to get things to work. if there is no problem, PC takes like 30 minutes to put together. one might spend research buying the parts.. but its no different than buying a car or a house, you gotta do SOME research. im sure these individuals have done research for playstation versus xbox.

[@taylorhickman84]

would you prefer to assemble your appliances, or just plug them in and have them work? Some people prefer to just drive their car, and not have to work on it, strange people aren't they?

[@VatiWah]

@@taylorhickman84 A house is a PC case.. and everything in your house is a PC component. from your fridge to your car to your TV to your PS5. you'd do some kinda research on each component. you'd do research on how difficult it is to assemble the appliance, how reliable they are, power usage, costs between stores.

[@taylorhickman84]

@@VatiWahbad analogy, but this leads one to believe(based upon previous statements) you probably think turn key houses and furnished apartments are a "weird" choice?

[@m3lodeth]

The problem is calling anything native 4k today is BS. Unless you have a 4090 which is more than twice the cost of PS5 pro, you're not gonna get AAA games at 4k native. With that being said, it's the quality of nvidia's upscaler that makes their case much better. That's what the pssr is trying to address, but we'll still have to wait how it performs. In the end it's still up to you of 700$ is worth the price of those upgrade and you really can't get 700$ pc that is equal to the ps5 pro. You could get a 700$ pc "upgrade" and you'll get even better performance. Unless you already have some kind of build of a pc and are thinking of building one someday, PS5 pro isn't for you.

[@archgirl]

My main PC has an RX 7800 XT in it, considerably less powerful than the 4090, and I run all my games at native 4K if all I want is better than 60fps. I’m not even using Windows, so I’m also dealing with syscall translation overheads and still getting 60+ at native 4K in AAA titles. I only upscale if I want to push 120+ in AAA games. Forbidden West? Native 4K60+ at high settings. Hogwarts Legacy? Native 4K60+ on Ultra settings, no upscaling needed. The PS5 couldn’t do that with comparable settings, for example. Hell, my spare PC has an RTX 3070 in it and I can still get 4K60 on my tv if I lower the settings to better match console graphical fidelity. The main consideration is that with a PC, you _can_ lower the settings to attain a target resolution and frame rate. You can’t do that on console.

[@avishekmitra3698]

So, you're telling me the Ryzen 3600 + RTX 3070 FE machine I built at MSRP just before the global chip shortage would be a gaming powerhouse for years to come?

[@SavantGardeEX]

The 864p using PSSR is interesting bc im 99% sure remedy are using some high presets for higher image quality while letting PSSR do its magic for the 4k resolution.

[@Monsux]

Console games have one simple problem that I can't stand, unable to turn off added filters. Even if the game runs 60 fps, there's a massive difference in visual clarity. For example, Alan Wake 2. Even on PC, there's no option to turn off three different added filters/visual crap, but you can remove those in .ini files. I wish that every console and PC game would have a simple option to turn those off. This means that even if I had the game on PS5 Pro or PS6 some day, I would still play it on PC. Some added visuals make me really sick (no idea why).

[@overtherenowaitthere]

you said one simple problem and then said that neither version offers it in game and you had to dig in the ini files to disable it like what, I can dig in the ini files and disable textures that doesn’t mean it’s an issue, you’re basically lite modding the game to make it more visually appealing. But you’re acting like the option was and the developers put it on pc but no you went into the game files and fucked with it lol

[@Monsux]

@@overtherenowaitthere Simple was a wrong term (dyslexia). But at the same time, this can be a simple thing with a mod or one google search. I'm already way too used to changing this when needed. What I meant was, at least one platform have some ability to remove those added visual layers that so many modern AAA games have.

[@Monsux]

@@overtherenowaitthere I didn't mean textures or game files. Just options that the devs left outside the option menu. These are things like depth of field, vignette, lens distortion, film grain, motion blur, etc. These should be added for options. These are the major things that not only affect the (AI) upscaling clarity, but can have so manyt other issues (motion problems with frame gen, blurry objects, weird visuals...) Edit. This most likely doesn't affect most players, but some games just make me vomit after playing less than 10 minutes. Either I never play those problematic games or have to find other solutions. Control is the latest game that I tried playing 3 times, every time had to quit. Felt so sick because of some visual weirdness. Next time I'll change some hidden settings.

[@stevenostrowski6552]

​@@overtherenowaitthere While i agree that its stupid neither platforms give an in game option for this doing a simple google search and changing values in a ini file should be easy task and its rather sad most people are not capable of doing smth like that.

[@ramonosuke]

PS5 Pro -$700 Vertical stand-$30 External Disc Drive-$100 Ps plus -$80 minimum for a year Yeah when you factor all that that’s over $900, which is more than enough to make a solid modern pc. Also for the “you’re forgetting windows!” A key can be bought for less than $15 and you can technically install windows for free, just have to deal with a slightly annoying watermark at the bottom right of your screen. My biggest gripe is those defending this when it’s merely a 2tb upgrade, “Ai-magic” and no significant changes to the cpu for more. Make it make sense

[@Pepelepiuxx]

but at the same time you don't need any of that, is just forcing the extra premium price for a pc, i have both am not paying ps plus cause have not interesting games and y just play overwatch, not extra vertical stand, not external disc drive, digital one, you can also say that you need a custom liquid cooling solution in a PC but that would be a lie in almost every case

[@justtooktolong]

No one has cd player in thier pc ... like tahts only if u really need it I own ps5 and have 1 game on disc I got all my game digital since ps4 . And who cares about the stand u don't actualy need it unless u planning to be vertical.. such b.s shit and most games don't need ps plus . So I dubnow hy eveyone count that stuff in . Ur pc will never be as cheap as ps5 but if u wnat spend more money pc sky the limt .

[@Dronetothetop]

$900 plus TAX. Don't forget the TAX. It's close to $1000 now.

[@lachlanB323]

There's another way to get windows for free without a watermark. I wouldn't recommend searching for it though as I don't want someone getting a virus or something lol.

[@bfhandsomeface409]

The PC does not have a disk drive, also the subscription comes with around 40 games per year, plus extra discounts for around $6.

[@bfhandsomeface409]

I don’t think anyone really cares if the PS5 pro runs native 4K. Upscaling tech looks very close now. Most PCs won’t hit native 4K 60 in demanding games either!

[@ArdaSReal]

@bfhandsomeface409 people think that it's real native 4k on consoles tho because all they hear and see is "4K". I think the biggest problem of consoles now is that they focus to much on TVs, 1440p and unlocked frames is simply the best balance, the games should have a "gaming monitor mode"

[@ixximixxi]

No PC player. Is playing on 4k most PC player are playing fsr on . This PC clowns thinking every PC player has 4090 .

[@bfhandsomeface409]

@@ixximixxi The average resolution on PC is still 1080p lol

[@ixximixxi]

@@bfhandsomeface409 cleen imgae is the resolution not important . if you use fsr oder pssr . wait and see the results after ps5 pro is out . talking about patch in development . 2 months before release is crazy .

[@mrdappernature8861]

​@@bfhandsomeface409 the reason for most people are playing at 1080p is probably because there is a large base of people playing CSGO. If their is high population of people playing fps then you would want a lower resolution to have that competitive edge to get a higher framerate.

[@Bassalicious]

SteamOS could equalize the playing field in home theatre setups between consoles and PC though, right?

[@JDPetersonFLA]

Man, console only gamers are nowhere near this comment section lol. Whoever left those comments were trollin.

[@GROGU123]

Alot of console players are happy with 30fps in vsync and don't even know it.

[@smidlee7747]

That's true because they are not focusing on the frame rate. If I focus on how often the movie is chopped up I will find it very annoying. I would say PC gamers are more likely to count pixels and frame rate while console gamers only care if a game is fun. This is what makes Nintendo so successful.

[@schikey2076]

"console players are happy with 30fps" Sony's themselves admitted that 3/4 choose performance mode during the ps5pro reveal ... that aint a minority

[@bensmith5288]

​@@smidlee7747oh my god mate behave yourself. Console gamers are ignorant and arrogant and think they compare with pcs . If they just shut up the pc gamers wouldn't even inform them how shit their consoles are. Also Nintendo is so popular because it's children who own them

[@SquidBow]

​@@smidlee7747 True, but 60 fps is just so much better. Once you know, you can't go back

[@smidlee7747]

@@SquidBow I agree 60 fps is much smoother but our visual cortex doesn't automatically lose it's ability to smooth out 30 fps just because 60 fps is better. I remember having a lot of fun in the past gaming on PSone and PS2 running 30 fps at 480i on a CRT TV. It's the same with movies cut up is a butch of little pieces that if I focus on how much the movie is chopped up I find it very annoying. Yet when I'm "into" a movie I'm no longer focusing on how often the camera changes as my visual cortex will try to make the movie make sense in a 3-D environment. I still have the ability to enjoy games running 30-45 fps on the Switch or Steam Deck on the go. I simply don't focus on the frame rate. It's the same with OLED vs LCD. Of course the OLED looks better but I still do a lot of gaming on my laptop with lcd screens and TV. Even the cheap TV and monitors look good compared to the past. When I'm into a movie or game I'm really not paying attention of how fruity the colors are.

[@bisayatechtips]

console gamers dont give a shit about hardware specs.. they just buy and play games.. thats the reality.. PC nerds love to compare everything.. "Oh but I have a PS5, oh but PC is better, oh better build a PC, oh they are not running native 4k" its getting repetitive. I was a console player way back PS4 days and guess what? I dont even know what the fuck is FPS.

[@Jinkyuu1999]

I get you me and my friend are the same but the difference is I'm going to pc! Reason I want customization, but I'm not going to be like, "PC better blah blah!"

[@bisayatechtips]

@@Jinkyuu1999 true, you can do a lot of things in PC, but comparing it to console makes no sense, because the main purpose of console is gaming and nothing else. no technical whatsoever. just plug it and play. explaining stuff to a console gamer is like a chef explaining to a PC enthusiast what recipe and how to cook their meal of the day.

[@ryuaga]

Console gamers are comparing the ps5 pro to pc, so wtf are you talking about? They have compared the consoles to pc since the ps4 and xbox one came out, they believe the marketing bs way too hard.

[@bisayatechtips]

@@ryuaga lol since when did console gamers starts comparing? can you do video editing in console? dude those are PC gamers that owns console. since ps4? lol i was a console gamer during ps4 era. i can assure you console people dont give a fuck about pc or any hardware news. they barely even know what hardware is inside the console.

[@Jinkyuu1999]

@bisayatechtips True, remember when the one x and ps4 pro!? The majority of people on console stick with base ps4 or slim! Most console players don't care about framerates, software, hardware etc.

[@فهد_الحربي]

even 4090 is not a 4k 60 it's struggles with ff16 and other games like star wars outlaws

[@TruTrae]

You can easily get 4k 60fps in those games if you just lower some settings. Maximum settings aren't necessary.

[@فهد_الحربي]

@@TruTrae in this case I prefer to turn on dlss quality on 4K (1440p internal ) it is better than to lower the settings

[@SD-vp5vo]

horrible examples of games by studios that do 0 optimisations. Pc port of gta6 will show what a 4090 is. Rockstar are usually one of the best at optimising their crap.

[@rankcolour8780]

@@SD-vp5vo That's not strictly true - the same studio that did Outlaws did Avatar which is extremely well optimised and runs very well with some pretty advanced tech working with great scalability.

[@Rolkey]

Yeah no wonder they struggle those games are like the most underbaked unoptimised garbage ever, stop consuming triple A garbage.

[@jiggerypokery2962]

I just looked at benchmarks of the 3600 but it was doing 59 frames at 1080 ultra in cyberpunk 2077 (Same framerate as 4K). A plauge's tale requium it was doing 117. Far Cry 6 was doing 134. Hogwarts 80. Spiderman 114. Ratchet and Clank 125. Your telling me an extra 10% in boost mode and more optimization you can't get 60 in hard to run games. We'll see but I don't see where either side should have confidence it will or won't run 60 fps. source eTeknix. Just some test were done in 2024 on more recent games. I know nothing about that channel if it's good or not.

[@markojovanovic9651]

Btw you are completely right about the CPU, the PS5 and Im guessing the pro reserve 2 cores of the cpu to handle background tasks and the system, so 6 cores(12 threads) are available for actual gaming, and considering that a 3600 and a ryzen 7 3700/x have literally identical gaming performance on pc, I agree that the best match is a ryzen 5 3600(especially that you can oc it with 2 clicks)

[@Prfinity]

Consoles are like a iq tax

[@lharsay]

Still better than people buying "Core i7 GAMING PC!!!!" online for like $700 with an i7 4770 and GTX1050Ti or even worse. If you don't want to spend a lot of time keeping up with the tech news and don't want to get scammed the consoles are a reliable option.

[@ShadyPlumber]

Since I built a 4090/78X3D system my eyeballs wont let me go back to console.

[@a.m.4654]

yeah will only get a game on ps5 if i want to own or if it has cartoony graphics like jrpgs

[@GrySgtBubba]

From a former 20+year long console gamer that finally wised up...yeah, definitely! Wasn't until the PS4 that I even took one apart to clean it; believing that you couldn't take it apart. Most everyone I know who gamed too had never even thought to take apart theirs, nor even what's actually inside. Now that I know just how grossly bad consoles are, and how good PC's are, I'll never own console again. Most console gamers don't wanna admit how lackluster consoles are.

[@andersjjensen]

You're paying a lot for "pretty electronics" on PC. I curse the day glass doors for PCs were invented. It just adds cost. I've built my own PCs since the mid 90s, and back then stuff looked just as "bad" as what you see inside a console. Because it's the exact same technologies. The print on your motherboard, the little shields, the LEDs, the VRM heat sinks that look all pretty, and the plastic box around your I/O panel.... they all add cost and none of them make your PC go faster, last longer or be more stable. So, however rude it is to say, you didn't wise up. You got duped "by a push-up bra". But for the OTHER reasons to prefer a PC over a console.. no argument. When you're not gaming it's a PC! It can do everything. Wanna produce music? Go ahead. Wanna make models for you 3D printer? Check! Wanna learn software development? Wanna run different operating systems on the hardware? Wanna run legacy operating systems in VMs for backwards compatibility? Wanna emulate every other platform worth the mention? Wanna hack into Pentagon? Wanna pirate the shit out of everything?... Well, a PC is a PC is a PC and there can be no two ways about it. But the pretty looking internals is just "the PCMR tax" and that's the hill I'll die on! :P

[@GrySgtBubba]

@@andersjjensen 🤣 "got duped"...??? "It's all the same"? Uh yeah, not even remotely close bud. I've a few games both on PS4 pro and my PC and the version on PC runs and looks infinitely better than even this magical PS5 Pro couldn't dream of! And mine is only a mid-range build. I'm running actual 4k-native in ultra settings and getting 116-120fps; only limited cause I need a actual gaming TV. Mine's only 4k-120 sadly. And only 50" too. I want a 60" 4k-144 minimum. I'll 100 bucks saying that not even the PS7 or PS8 will be capable of that level of performance yet. Not unless they're gonna cost the same as a mid-range PC and be about 2x larger than now. Performance wise, consoles are extremely limited due their tiny size and locked performance...which has been almost close to a laptop's performance, but with inconsistent resolution most namely. At the price point of the 5 Pro, that's a used PC or gaming laptop of equal to to fair better performance. The 2nd statement, we're in full argument of... But "paying alot for pretty electronics" is an asinine statement! If you built PCs, you'd know that was stupid.

[@taylorhickman84]

@@GrySgtBubba no FSR/DLSS/XESS?

[@EldenLord00]

@@andersjjensenoh poop. You can get a “pretty looking” case for less than 100$

[@andersjjensen]

@@EldenLord00 It's not the case that's the problem. It's that you can only get motherboards and graphics cards that are designed with glass sides in mind. And that is where the added cost comes from. I have a full size ATX air flow focused case in a case hangar under my desk so I don't care if it looks pretty or not. This one happened to only be available with a glass door (which costs more than a sheet of Chinesium) but I would vastly had preferred it without. The only AM5 motherboard that had the features I wanted looks like it's designed by a 15 year old with a raging tech-boner. So much plastic crap and print that doesn't do anything but add cost. My GPU is not overly gamer-vomit (Sapphire Pulse) since I always undervolt and power limit significantly for quieter operation, but if I had wanted a high performance model all the options are slathered in RGB and other nonsense. The cable kit for the PSU was covered in "fish net stockings" that does nothing. At least I could find a somewhat normal looking memory kit in the speed and timings that I wanted, but strictly speaking, that elaborate heat sink design could just as well have been a flat slab of alloy instead of this neatly painted casting.

[@SavantGardeEX]

11:52 This is false, Alank wake 2 performance mode is using 1440p internal resolution with FSR 2.0 balance mode enabled. A really misleading point.

[@darksparda4]

As someone that works in IT and keeps up with the yearly PC releases I just prefer console. I just don’t see why it has to be one is wholey superior than the other. Most pc games require you to make the same compromises in order to play them (if you’re using DLSS/FSR and frame gen, you’re still making compromises) but it always becomes console dogshit for no reason

[@Mcnooblet]

I think both sides are ignorant to hardware. Especially for CPU bottlenecks, or the idea that if you get a new GPU, a CPU has to go with it otherwise the GPU is bottlenecked. Yet there was so many graphics settings you can turn up to be GPU bottlenecked. Same thing with consoles, where the Zen 2 in the PS5 is capable in most cases of hitting 60fps, and many don't understand and think a PS5 Pro is heavily limited to no CPU upgrade when consoles run pro graphics settings, not less for high frame rates.

[@pweddy1]

The PS5 is roughly the equivalent of a 6650, some say the 6700 which has very similar performance, and that’s the graphics card I have. So I really don’t have an issue with the PS5 performance. I personally think people who pay $1500 for a video card to play video games are morons. You get the same performance if you just wait a year or two for fraction of the price. And while the PS5 pro might be a bit more expensive, it’s gonna cost you more to build a PC with that performance.

[@ArdaSReal]

@pweddy1 eh depends, let's say you play online games and the ps5 pro is a year old, by that point you could surely build a PC with similar or better performance and lower cost over time. Ps plus is what really breaks it for me, of you use a console for years that money for subscription adds up

[@pweddy1]

@@ArdaSReal It's hard to build a PC under $700 if you're starting from scratch. If you're migrating some parts from an old PC sure. But even with a budget card 700 is tight.

[@mehe]

Getting the same performance for a fraction of the price has not been true for the past 6 years now graphics card have barely been going down in value 30 series are almost 2 generations behind now and still selling at almost original msrp 4 years ago

[@KeyboardSavant]

I don't understand the "cope" when it comes to having a defensive standpoint for a consumer product. No different than say, political views, "fanboys" make brand loyalism their entire personality.

[@Evildeadgoku]

I play on both pc and consoles and my pc destroys both consoles but I use them about the same. Consoles have their place since it’s basically plug and play. I also work from a pc all day and sometimes that’s the last thing I want to do is play games while sitting at a pc longer. I play pc at max settings 1440p and when I play the same game on console I very rarely can tell the difference outside of the very obvious fps difference. I think the delusion comes into play when people unironically are stating that a ps5 pro is 4070 levels of performance. But at the end of the day it’s video games whether it’s pc or console the game will have the same story and gameplay

[@Karn0010]

The PC community gets is misrepresented by the things we tend to pay attention to. There is always a ton of hype around the halo products and what they can do. This was a reminder of how good a lot of the hardware is out there. After the price reveal, I was able to price out several systems that would be actually great gaming PCs under $1000. If you are just getting the console and not anything else, $700 for the PC is a reach, it can be done though. If you are willing to bargain hunt and go used on the GPU you'd be amazed. If you go for the stand, the disc-drive, and a year of PS plus. You are in the range where it isn't difficult to make a solid PC, and by the time PS6 comes out, you will be in a position for make a couple upgrades to run that over especially if that will be near $700. I think the end point of the video hits the nail on the head. Those customers most likely don't even care about this anyway, they just do. I'm still not sure who the PS5 Pro is targeted at though.

[@brianrobinson3961]

Another thing I’ve noticed console gamers tend to compare is TFLOPs and the PS5 with 10 and the PS5 Pro at 33 this does not directly relate to gaming performance or can’t be compared across GPU architectures for performance estimates.

[@christophermullins7163]

Oh my.. I didn't know PS boys had a 3.3x number to brag about. Lmao it'll be noticeably clearer and a few more fps. Nothing special. If it were 3x it would be called the ps6.

[@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd]

Like you tried to flex 12 Teraflops? Hahahaha

[@MG-un9bh]

​@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pdlike you are flexing with being scammed by NVDIA with overpriced cards abd stil have bad performance? Hahaha

[@christophermullins7163]

@@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd ?

[@christophermullins7163]

@@MG-un9bh Nvidia charges a lot because they can. When you are the best.. you can corner the market. It is the same thing that Sony is doing right now. Literally equally shitty value. You can spend another couple hundred on a PC that is faster than PS5 pro in every metric and can do so dang many things other than game until it is just insane to think that buying a PS5 pro is anything but a horrible deal. I happily paid $800 for my Nvidia GPU and I absolutely love it and already got my money's worth. 🥰🥰

[@BlueMoon42074]

ps5 user here, thank you for clarifying this to the rest of the community. I also have owned pcs for multiple years, and the argument of telling these people who have never experienced 120 fps on an actual 4K display, not upscaled the true difference is literally and metaphorically impossible, they just have never seen anything like that before (in a display) and every time you bring up a talking point about the real differences they just get angry instead of listening, it really is a mindset problem and not an experience problem but this isn't the vid for that. I feel that they just take microsoft or sony's word instead of actually doing research and looking into the facts, they look at that box and see "8K gaming" and just fucking believe it, even in movies, shows and content like that are not even close to that stage just yet, rn we need to first get to around 6K maybe take a smaller step into 5K which i believe is possible right now but not mainstream at all so probably not fully recognized as a resolution yet.

[@magicari8919]

and by the same token, just because a PS5 runs fine with a zen 2 cpu, doesnt mean a PC will just as well lol The unified memory makes quite a diffrence in the approach to how games are developed on the consoles and can reduce cpu overhead by a lot, and thers gonig to be an effort to optimize for the zen 2 cpu on the playstation 5, someting you cant necessarily say about PCs

[@ZackSNetwork]

You have no clue about what you’re talking about. Shared memory effects the performance of the GPU and CPU typically causing memory bandwidth limitations. GDDR6 memory is not good for a CPU either because it adds a huge latency. As far as the CPU goes there is nothing custom about it. It’s just a low clocked zen 2 CPU with a massive cut to its L3 cache from 32mb to 8mb. The only thing impressive about the consoles is efficiency with significantly less ram.

[@magicari8919]

@@ZackSNetwork you are applying the same logic PC logic on it then yeah, it's bad. For a platform that it's built from the ground up to take advantage of unified memory there's a lot of benefits.

[@D-D--]

Console zen 2 doesn't perform better in cpu limited situations unless it's using certain features while the pc version doesn't (like spiderman performing better in RT due to using kraken decompression in gameplay, freeing up cpu cycles. On pc, it doesn't use directstorage gpu decompression). Otherwis, it performs about on par with a ryzen 3600 like DF has shown a lot of time.

[@mimimimeow]

​@@ZackSNetwork It's pretty obvious you never programmed a game engine. Everything you said is literally non issue for consoles, cache optimization is a thing since N64, something devs don't do for PC because they dont know what you have. That's why most console CPUs will cut cache to save die space. CPU latency for GDDR can be offset by having it sit next to the APU, at that point it's no slower than a DDR4. The only reason PC hasn't done unified setup yet is because Windows is still stuck with Windows 95 era memory management, plus they can't do direct storage-to-VRAM reads due to security reasons. Consoles have been doing this DMA thingamagic since PS1. The PS2 had only 4MB VRAM and it ran GTA with way more effects than PC because the DMA could pull data from DVD direct to cache.

[@bryceshaddix9179]

A lot of streaming services cap their resolution on PC streaming to like 720 or 1080 to prevent people from pirating the content at high quality. in order to fully do 4k streaming on these services on PC, you need to use edge, have a certain GPU and or use their streaming apps in the Microsoft store I believe. It's stupid

[@HiddenAdept]

Honestly been trying out Shadow Cloud gaming. The power tier model. NVIDIA RTX A4500 20GB GPU, 8 cores of an AMD EPYC CPU, 28GB RAM. Was playing Dragon's Dogma 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 in the lower city (most demanding map in the game) and it was running really well. There are cloud gaming services with better hardware but Shadow is great in that it's an unrestricted Windows install. You can install any mods you want and use cheat engine. I had maybe in an hour a couple visual stutters but surprisingly little input lag. Never noticed any input lag anyway. I am seriously considering selling my gaming PC for $2K and just getting a Minisforum $200 mini PC with gigabit ethernet to stream games. (I only play single player RPGs pretty much nowadays). Usually owning is better then renting but PCs are rapidly depreciating assets, hell even worse then cars. The less depreciating assets you have to own the better.