Dark Souls Lore - Havel the Rock

Dark Souls Lore - Havel the Rock [60fps]
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[@user-yk7dc9hu2k]

"Fuck magic" - Havel

[@eldrich3049]

+iller Indeed. lol

[@lordcrunch2592]

HAVEL SMASH

[@priestofslack9646]

"Fuck magic" - Strength builds

[@imaginationnone9297]

Yuki Nitta FUCK INTFAGS

[@bigyeet8856]

"Fuck ME!" Me after getting fucked by Smough because I didn't watch my stamina.

[@daredevilpwn]

You know...Havel has a giant ass weapon. Did he never think to break down the wooden door?

[@jameswhite1664]

Lol so true. He must have been high

[@GreatKingIso]

It had a lock in it

[@theoneandonlyranch4552]

scout wizardman if the door has a lock on it and you break the door down the lock is useless, from a gameplay stand point yes it had a lock on it, from a non gameplay stand point, yes it had a lock but screw the i have a giant dragon tooth that weighs just about 5x that wooden door

[@GreatKingIso]

If andre is surrounded by weapons and decides to punch you with his bare hands and does alot of damage nothing makes sense

[@OtterloopB]

There's plenty of confusing questions in Dark Souls. How does the Ancient Dragon expect anyone to make it down to Ash Lake to join his covenant if its one and only entrance is hidden behind an illusory wall? Why would a blacksmith set up shop in a cramped corridor down in a network of catacombs? Why does Andre set up shop where he does when right outside and down the stairs is a Titanite Demon? That has to drive away customers. If the universes and times/settings of all the Souls games are different... how does Patches manage to be in every game? In fact, just why IS he a spider in Bloodborne? Why are Ultra Greatswords labeled as 'Ultra' in DS1 when the Zweihander is in fact bigger than most of the Ultra Greatswords? Is Sir Alonne always alone? Was the Fume Knight buried under the ashes? Is the Burnt Ivory King secretly Sauron? Why would archers hang out on narrow ledges all day if Anor Londo is usually empty and quiet?

[@josephcole8102]

" Allright, we need a a new bishop after havel was exiled, what's your name" uhhh,,, gravel the block?

[@SilverMont]

Snavel the Dock

[@lackusshock]

Ladle the Mock

[@JonathanPerez-sm8zc]

its Ravel the Hock

[@lightness7670]

howl the moving castle

[@ygreenthoyt9795]

Bravel the sock

[@sazr9569]

Havel "the Rock" Johnson

[@Joe-om6uu]

lol

[@30year-oldboomer17]

+SAZR DO YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOKIN?!

[@GaleSilverwind]

+Damocles Titus "72. Smell what The Rock is cooking" *smack*

[@30year-oldboomer17]

It's just a bro, prank.

[@darktrollz8798]

I always think of three Rock when I hear Havel the rock. I imagine Havel in the wrestling ring on the turn buckle holding up his dragon tooth while the crowd is cheering.

[@DariusVladimirAuditore]

I don't really think the Havel in Undead Burg is The Havel since he had Havel's Ring and from what I read he made these rings so that his soldiers could lift the armour, but Havel himself was strong enough to lift the armour without the ring. This is just my speculation.

[@finrodfelagund1528]

Well, that's very reasonable... but why does he have the dragon's tooth? I think the real Havel is the one from Dark Souls III, but every Havel had the same weapon. It makes you think.

[@DariusVladimirAuditore]

+Finrod Felagund Rey de Nargothrond well in the case of Dragon Tooth the Havel in Dark Souls had one, but we also find one in Anor Londo which means there are more than one.

[@TheMetroidblade]

Vladimir Auditore I mean a Dragon does have a mouth full of them. seems like a waste to just loot one. loot them all and give them out to worthy knights.

[@DariusVladimirAuditore]

+Kenny McBride true.

[@maximillion322]

The item description referring to the dragon tooth and shield found in Anor Londo imply that they are completely unique to Havel alone. Therefore it is possible that his followers weild imitation weapons, visibly similar but less powerful than the one we actually find.

[@thaynanmedeiros2842]

CAN'T STOP THE ROCK

[@blidgu]

the rock rocks!

[@nayyarrashid4661]

@@blidgu the rock rolls

[@znspyder]

*gets parried*

[@whatthewhatthe9117]

Equips the wolfs ring: *_UNLIMITED POWWWAAAAA_*

[@CsubAzUrmedve]

Can you smell what Havel is kindling?!

[@SilverMont]

+SuperCsubi No

[@ndukwui]

+SuperCsubi Had a good chuckle at the reference

[@xdbetyar]

Csúb - Az Űrmedve A SZIKLA SÜTÖGET

[@horizon5086]

Csúb - Az Űrmedve #

[@realhumanbean7915]

Csúb - Az Űrmedve *slams dragon on a fucking stone table*

[@billymaidment3493]

Seath definitely had some influence on Havel being locked away. The Moonlight Butterfly in Darkroot Garden guards the key. This definitely indicates that either he persuaded Gwyn that Havel was trouble or at least, he was given the power to do it himself

[@darktrollz8798]

Don't forget that the Moonlight Butterfly was created by Death the Scaless.

[@darktrollz8798]

+Fegelein master of antics I meant seath. damn auto correct

[@pardonerfennel8884]

Havels Armor carried me through so many bossfights, most notably Ornstein and Smough. That shit is legit!

[@frengain3827]

Mattias Djärv Eyy, i know what that profile pic is from!

[@The_Wrecks65]

Mattias Djärv Yea. Before Fashion Souls made armor pretty much obsolete.

[@fyctssss]

Mattias Djärv best use of havel's armor. go to four kings, never block, never dodge, spam atack and heal, trust your poise and victory is yours.

[@ExileTwilight]

fyctssss That's how I did it the first time xD Really took the challenge out of the four kings :P

[@frengain3827]

Nobody's paying attention to his profile pic? or do people not know about that JRPG?

[@Luckyshoo]

The Havel is a river in Germany. Saxony also is in Germany. Saxony comes from the latin word Saxum, which translates to Rock. The Saxons (The rocks if you will) were a barbaric tribe who later formed part of what would become the english population. So if Lordran is some sort of representation of England ,then maybe Havel could be the name of a Land older then Lordran. Just a thought i was playing with ,but probably nonsense x)

[@Luckyshoo]

The havel also flows through Saxony-Anhalt , btw. Could just be an Inspiration for the name i guess.

[@DerultimativeOzzy]

Kongfoo Fourtytwo could also be a word play from gravel to havel as gravel is a collection of many small rocks.

[@choccyg4035]

Oh shit Havels armor in DS2 says it may have been named after a land

[@plox8279]

+DerultimativeOzzy Doesnt sound right, it would be really cheap

[@SiCslenderMAN]

I have a bit of speculation as to how Hagel died (or became undead), since I don't think it was really mentioned. This sort of theory comes from the stats of Havel's set. I think what happened was Havel went to kill Seath and couldn't because of the immortality crystal. He could obviously survive the encounter and escape because of the high curse and magic resistance on his armor. Havel probably sought out how to beat Seath by trying to find the dragon in Ash Lake. One thing Havel's armor lacks is poison resists, which means that he probably died of Blighttown's swamp before being able to make it to the dragon, which would explain why his miracle is found down there.

[@SilverMont]

+BornVillain3489 makes sense!

[@swapnilkarmakar7473]

+BornVillain3489 Yes ! That is some great speculation !

[@40mm-Grenade]

+Silver Mont Who said I ever died?

[@905InTheDot905]

+Havel The Rock it's called speculation.

[@40mm-Grenade]

It's called look at my name.

[@ferrari528]

next time i see a havel monster flinging spells i will message them "you disgrace the rock's knights"

[@eutytoalba]

"I know you Havelot of theories...." pfffftlol

[@vaina2]

Haha! Kill me.

[@EionBlue]

My head cannon is that Seath actually planted the occult club, think about it, Havel really has no reason to rebel against the "gods" themselves, just Seath, so maybe Seath found out, and in his usual backstabbing way, he opted to ruin Havel's name with a sneaky trick.

[@Nathrezim0]

I don't think so. Seath had no reason to take out the gods, especially after they left Anor Londo. He wanted to gain immortality. Killing your most powerful allies doesn't help you at all EDIT: Ok, I misunderstood your point. You weren't saying Seath was trying to kill the gods. You are right.

[@chriswolfe351]

I think there is a problem with that notion though. If they put Havel in the tower because they found the occult club among his stuff, then why is it still there? I don't think they ever found his secret stash, I think he probably got locked away because he began making his opinions known a little too loudly. That's pure speculation though.

[@shroommush4034]

Havel had plenty of reason to rebel against Gwyn. He was in cahoots with Havel's archenemy, and planned on continuing the Age of Fire, which would not benefit mankind.

[@Nathrezim0]

Shroom Mush Neither did it hurt them. He had no reason to stop Gwyn.

[@SilverMont]

Ali Al-Shaikh That's more or less what I think could'a happened. I could totally see an HBO series about this.

[@yugiohguy]

Havel is the most manly character in the Souls series.

[@40mm-Grenade]

+yugioh guy True that.

[@remingtonbrazzel9847]

No solaire is and you can't disagree either because every dark souls player knows that he is manly AF!!!!

[@Ekkaisara]

Bitch I know you mean Siegmeyer

[@TheHotroman]

Benhart is the manliest in my heart. Those guys all had real weapons to fight with. What plebs, a true warrior fights with a blue plastic sword that you buy from at Toys R Us.

[@40mm-Grenade]

Lol

[@HandsomeLib]

Havel "The Rock" Johnson is definitely one of the coolest dark souls characters

[@GreatKingIso]

He ripped a dragons dick off

[@GreatKingIso]

that does not look like a tooth at all

[@GreatKingIso]

But it has nothing connecting it to the mouth

[@GreatKingIso]

you dont stab people with a greathammer

[@GreatKingIso]

a tooth has two sharp things in it to keep it in place and the dragon tooth has none

[@samvids69]

Some say his name originated from the armour he wore. Others say that it was the name of a great kingdom destroyed in a war. All that we know is: he's The Rock.

[@SilverMont]

Sam Vids The Fast and Furious movies are actually leading up to this.

[@CorsairJoshua]

Holy shit that clutch heal at the end of the video.

[@SilverMont]

Corsair Joshua Havel don't have time for sissy crystals

[@highfall60]

Corsair Joshua dat pic tho

[@brotatochimp]

ya seriously!

[@BishopHavel]

Huh, funny you didn't mention my trip down to Ash Lake. The Chosen Undead may find my Great Magic Barrier down there, so one can assume I was there to visit a dragon. Perhaps I knew the only way to kill the gods was with the only thing they feared...the power of the dragons. Alright, role play is done, but in all seriousness, I don't think the soldier in the Burg is Havel, but one of his soldiers. The ring you get from him says it's worn by his soldiers. If it was unique to Havel, then why would it say there were copies? If the Dragon Tooth and greatshield are for Havel alone, why is the soldier in the burg using them if we can find copies in Havel's secret room in Anor Londo? It's a bit of a stretch, but I think that Havel made the journey to Ash Lake to seek the power of the Dragons the gods feared. I sometimes speculate that the dragon down below could possibly be Havel himself, for the goal of the Dragon Covenant is to become dragons, yes? I understand this is wild speculation, but I think it's very possible.

[@SilverMont]

Bishop Havel Yeah, I couldn't think of anything too interesting concerning GMB in Ash Lake. I generally assumed it was just the corpse of one of his warriors, either back from when they fought the dragons, or from a more recent time when one went down to see what was up (...hmm) But yeah, there are good arguments for the Burg-Havel being THE Havel and good arguments for it being just a soldier. I'm inclined to think it is him, if just because of the phrasing "hero" and how it seems to imply it's someone important. But then, that whole item description is rather bizarre to begin with.

[@BishopHavel]

Silver Mont Well, seeing how Havel and his men were working to protect Lordran from the likes of the dragons and the demons from Izaleth (assumedly), perhaps all of the soldiers in stone armor were seen as heroes and friends of the gods. Just a thought. (Loved your video by the way)

[@dagonhd7937]

I dont think that warior was havel, it was a simple and a bit weak warior, he has the strength of an elite knight and not the strength of a hero or maybe a gyrn who is a legend in fighting

[@dagonhd7937]

I think havel is a gyrm cause of his strength and he has some simple wepons

[@BishopHavel]

Dagon HD Using that argument, we could assume that Tarkus was a gyrm as well. I'm not inclined to say that Havel wasn't human. There's no mention of a species such as the gyrms until Dark Souls 2, countless years/cycles of the Curse since the days of Gwyn.

[@Mister_Eiffel]

What if the "dear friend" was sarcastic, and it were Seath himself who imprisoned him, or at least assisted said dear friend in the matter? That might explain why the Moonlight Butterfly, an agent of Seath, is perched in Darkroot. I wouldn't put it past him since he's got a bad habit of locking people away.

[@juggledlotus5431]

+Francis Lafontaine. É. Probably talked Gwyn into it at least, "He wants the precious, he wants it. The fat one will take it from you..."

[@Mister_Eiffel]

Juggled Lotus Word. As time showed, Gwyn, despite his godhood, is not impervious to bad decisions... Kinda reminds me of that one pleb in the Bible...

[@juggledlotus5431]

Francis Lafontaine. É. That and hes a self proclaimed god. An interesting theory i came up with today while fighting Sif, notice the sword is way bigger than when you fight artorias. Imagine artorias being the right size to one hand that sword. Hed have to be as big as ornstein gets adter killing smough. Got me thinking what id those giants from ds2 are remnants of gwyns race? All gone mindless hollow. Idk prolly not but still artorias was probably a boss at full power. I heard someone say theres no way we could defeat artoeias if he was full power cuz supposedly hes really left handed and would own us id he didnt use the right. I argue that Manus killed Artorias and i killed Manus so that makes me better than Artorias at full power. Unless he lost the fight before reachinf Manus but I doubt that.

[@LuisSantos-mk5se]

+Francis Lafontaine. É. I know it's about a year later, but this makes sense as the outside is filled with Crystal Golems, and they do seem out of place for that area. I guess you made a good point there.

[@jonathancherry1704]

Francis Lafontaine. É. A bit late, but what if Solaire isn't the firstborn, and the occult weapon leads us to see that havel killed the firstborn

[@Dantick09]

Havel: I am ready to kill the gods! Me: How Havel: Gonna beat them with a club i have occulted here If Havel left his armour in the basement along with the club the the guy in Undead Burg must be somenone else.

[@thelocustgrappler513]

Dantick09 i know your comment is 3 years old but the description for havel's set mentions that ALL his warriors wore that armor. So its likely the set you find in anor londo isnt havel's personal set.

[@Itsprincesweets]

Maybe he kmew. That one day, someone will make it. And he wanted them to kill seath.

[@SirSpycrab]

@ImpaledLad 249 i thought the dragon slayer armor from dark souls 3 was Havel's armor. it has a cross-spear style great axe that looks VERY similar to the cross guard on Ornstein's spear. all the stone armor were just what his soldiers wore, I think because its what the arch-dragons were made of so they wanted to have the same sort of protections that the arch-dragons had naturally. I might be wrong though, I cant remember what's headcanon and what is actual lore :D

[@Mrdubstep50cal]

Someone invades me in Dark souls while I have the Havel set on. Me:*Charges at them* DO YOU SMELL WHAT THE ROCK IS COOOOOOOKING! I honestly hope Havel the rock's armor is in Dark Souls 3

[@biplav32]

+Ravelord Nito I parry the shit out of havels.

[@Mrdubstep50cal]

Biplav Shrestha Good for you! Want a sunlight medal?

[@biplav32]

+Ravelord Nito Lol or backstab them. Totally worthless tank.

[@Mrdubstep50cal]

Biplav Shrestha Oh you're so cool!

[@4f52]

+Biplav Shrestha You can't stab a rock.

[@The_Wrecks65]

My favorite characters. 1. Artorias (He's just so fucking cool, he fights with a greatsword like a badass, and he has a damn wolf as a pet.) 2. Ornstein (Some sick ass armor, not to mention he beat the shit out of me many a times.) 3. Havel the Rock (His armor is almost impenetrable, not to mention he wields a dragon's tooth as a weapon. A god damn dragons tooth.)

[@of-fx5ou]

Giant dad is better than all combined. Admit it.

[@blidgu]

yup because the legend never dies xD

[@juggledlotus5431]

+Levi Rex (TheRealDill) Logan > Havel

[@BBoy4040]

Artorias was the first lore I learned in Dark Souls, will always be my favorite.

[@guhhpebur]

My favorite characters are Artorias, Siegmeyer, and the second bonfire in anor londo

[@rollingthunder8630]

I remember my first time seeing Havel in DS1. When he started running up the stairs, I ran faster than a nigga being told he's going to become a father.

[@SilverMont]

But did you run towards him? Or away from him?

[@rollingthunder8630]

Silver Mont Of course away. If a small black knight slaughtered me, only God knows what a titan in iron would do to me.

[@rollingthunder8630]

Worvern Scar I think dying 20 times before that and getting anally rekt by the Black Knight made me realize I shouldn't fight any optional minibosses.

[@Capnsensible80]

It's actually super easy to parry the Persuer then pew pew him with the ballista. He always does the same attack first lol

[@szabodaniel-andras6412]

i have a theory seath knowing that havel might be a danger for him ,he told gwyn that he is going for a rebelion against all of them and used the ocult club as a evidence

[@Capnsensible80]

That makes sense when you consider the crystal golems outside Havel's tower who are oddly out of place there... Or it could have been Seath himself who has a penchant for imprisoning people, and the "dear friend" *and* "for his own good, of course." description could both be sarcastic.

[@MohammedXShakur]

@@Capnsensible80 dont forget the Moonlight Butterfly in the Darkroot Garden had the basement key. But you're right about the crystal golems being out of place. I had to be close to beating the game to learn that Crystal Cave and Darkroot werent connected.

[@CollinMac96]

Imagine if havel was mentored in the art of pyromancy and learned how to cast 2 forbidden suns at the same time. He would be even more of a bad ass then he is now.

[@TheBlackSerpentBeta]

Something popped into my head while watching this video Maybe Gwyn gave secretly gave him the task of keeping an eye on Seath and he obtained the cultist he defeated and hid it away, where no one else could ever use it (or maybe as a counter measure in case one of the lords went mad) But someone found him out and Gwyn was forced to send him away, in order to save face with his allies

[@findlaytaylor5525]

Problem with that theory is that Gwyn was king. So really everybody was his ally to begin with. Also it seems a lil.... I dunno. Not something the devs would have thought of

[@TheBlackSerpentBeta]

Findlay Taylor Meh, maybe... Its just as someone training to become a video game story writer, it seems something I would think of if given the task... tever

[@findlaytaylor5525]

I see i see i seee. Hey wait a sec. Ive seen you before.... On Mr12603's comment section?

[@SilverMont]

TheBlackSerpentBeta That could make some sense, yeah. I don't quite buy into the idea that Havel was opposed to Gwyn, either way. Just Seath.

[@TheBlackSerpentBeta]

Silver Mont Glad to be of some assistance in the theory department, dood

[@Loominaty]

The truth. Havel never trusted in Magic,nor seath. Maybe he knew about the traitor or maybe it was just the "Im one with the gods,bishop Thingy". So he decided to kill seath. Gwyn who still worked together with seath arrested Havel for this because Gwyn thought Havel got mad. So havel decided that Gwyn could not be a real "god" because a true god would never do such kinda things. So havel made the club,to kill Every "false" god and *seath,of course.*

[@SilverMont]

Dean salvation Oh, the truth! Something more elusive than titanite slabs.

[@Loominaty]

Silver Mont Its a theory. Dont be silly (Giggles) and take ONE sentence so "hard" Could be,could not be. I like this theory :)

[@trustypatches8372]

Dean salvation all I'm saying is your theory seems on point more so than others otherwise why have an occult weapons and be locked away sounds like he pissed off big daddy qwyn and qwyn did not kill him because of him being a friend and combat Ally.

[@Capnsensible80]

It could also very well be that Havel planned on killing Seath, Seath found out about it and locked him in the tower. It would explain the crystal golems outside (guardians or at least a way to alert Seath should Havel be freed or escape), and Seath DOES have a penchant for locking people up. Then it would simply be that the key's description is sarcastic in it's use of "dear friend" AND "for his own good, of course."

[@greensmurf221]

Mmmm.... that 60 FPS Darksouls.

[@jazzmaster909]

Havel, The most electrifying bishop in all of Lordran. Loving your Souls lore videos. You got a sub :)

[@SilverMont]

Thanks!

[@alexjuve2858]

6:46 wow I had a flashback to prince of persia games lol

[@Tom_on_rock]

lel\

[@clyde34]

I imagined how nobody ever again would be allowed to complain about DkS difficulty if it had the rewind mechanic.

[@enclavesoldier7315]

O YEAH !!! From the wii.

[@IAmTheChimbleySweep]

Also, speaking of Ancient Soldier Varg. What about one of his companions, the Afflicted Graverobber? I've assumed that she's actually Saint Serreta (thus the afflicted bit) that stole Alva's Armor from his grave (thus the graverobber bit.).

[@SilverMont]

tou hou Could be, yeah. Although there's Maughlin who sells the armour too. Maybe Alva's armour became like a popular knock-off product for people to sell, haha. "Now you too can wear the legendary armour of Alva!"

[@IAmTheChimbleySweep]

"For the low price of 26,300 souls!"

[@mine9615]

Even if it is an error in the spanish version i don't think it is ever going to be patched. In the german version the translators somehow messed up Gwyndolin into Wendelin. This bullshit is still in the game.

[@SilverMont]

Bummer

[@camiloprieto3814]

Mine It's been 5 years since it came out. They never fixed the spanish version.

[@lordmoldybutt6361]

Thanks for making these videos Alex. I find your voice the soothest out of all the dark souls youtubers. Just saying you're awesome. 😎

[@spencerfleming5606]

"It is one of the more popular armor sets in DS2. 1250 defense Hahaha fuck

[@GreatKingIso]

And even then a curved resonant greatsword prenerf still kills it really fast

[@atreides213]

I thonk Havel's rebellion was instigated by Seath poking Gwynevere, possibly against her will. Have would feel honorbound to avenge the princess, his friend's daughter, even if Gwyn felt no such compunctions himself. Not to mention the pisacas and other awful experiments perpetrated by the white dragon. So, Havel, possibly with the aid of Velka and/or Priscilla, gathers occult weapons and prepares his rebellion. Somehow, though, Gwyn finds out about the plot. Before he can be arrested, however, Havel has one of his own troops take his place, wielding the dragon tooth so there would be no doubt it was him. After ensuring his decoy worked, Havel tried to return to Anor Londo via Sens fortress, only to be killed since he lacked his arms and armor. Thus, we find the soul of a hero in the fortress. The plot is ended, Havel dead, Velka banished and Priscilla imprisoned in Ariamis. Havel's troops are dispersed to become silver knights, watching over the very people they would have destroyed. Another little theory. Perhaps the maiden in the cell at Firelink shrine used to be one of Gwynevere's handmaidens? She might have testified against Seath after he diddled the Sun Princess. Gwyn, not wanting to be disgraced by admitting such a thing happened, would have ordered her tongue cut out and her imprisoned. Hmm? HMMMMMMMM?

[@RoutaAskel]

While I'm not sure about your main theory, that last one about the Firekeeper Anastasia is interesting.

[@TheNutCase657]

It's my opinion that Havel kept the Occult Club as a sort of insurance, in case Gwyn retaliated against him for launching an assault on Seath.

[@danielrein62]

And put it in a mimic,incase someone found the chest and looked inside.Makes sense,where Havel would have gotten that mimic from is another question.

[@jroldo8353]

- Megalodon - dont forget the lore of the mimic's. They were actually a family of greedy people who were cursed for their greed with the chest teeth head. So they eventually became undead and just sat waiting for victims wherever.

[@MARTINREN1231]

around 6:00 the video footage distracted me LOL

[@evanhenry7630]

MrBroxMan what about 6:52 is he hacking or?

[@Aj9Livess]

Evan Henry 6:52 he just did a rewind to the moment before he died, then cut to the moment he reached that spot during his run back :)

[@aidanragan2210]

perhaps the occult club was a weapon havel used (before the known effects of occult) before he got/forged/obtained the dragon tooth when he fought along side gwyn early in history. then after learning of occult was ordered to dispose of it where he (or a follower of him) disposed of his armor.

[@korpyboo3712]

6:45 OMG SANDS OF TIME IN DARK SOULS

[@qsqua]

+Korpy Boo *Cue sound effect*

[@alastairbond7104]

Havel still as badass in a completely different Kingdom as he ever was

[@BigManBiggerCampus]

Glad to see DkS 1 is still of importance

[@SilverMont]

Of course! It's my favourite of the Souls franchise, and probably will remain so unless Bloodborne is incredibly amazing haha

[@dhoffnun]

GamerGroup465 As someone who has been gaming for two decades, I think DS1 will be my favorite game for at least as long.

[@dygardkuroyuri2624]

When I started my first "perfect" playthrough, I was wondering about Havel. I still have many thoughts on why was there an Occult club in Havel's stash and why did he hate Seath. Nice Video Though.

[@SmugLookingBarrel]

I always though of havel when I heard vendrick describe his warriors: "the king favored simple warriors, who stake every battle on their strength alone". I highly doubt havel could have traveled all the way to drangleic after his exile but it's possible...

[@SilverMont]

***** It's another parallel between Vendrick and Gwyn, at any rate.

[@NIRUZX]

Havel is Jesus in disguise.

[@azazelreeds]

So Havel doesn't like magic. What about miracles? I'm only asking because from what I've seen he was a pretty big brute force guy and I'm not sure how he'd feel about such spells.

[@SilverMont]

He seems fine with miracles - he seems to be the one who created the magic barrier miracles, for example. Plus he was a "bishop" so he's all about the faith.

[@azazelreeds]

Okay good. I was afraid I might have been disrespecting the armor with my great lightning spears.

[@EmanueleCappello]

I'm only on my first DS playthrough, so I may be saying something stupid, if so, correct me. I think that the three different kind of "magic" in the DS world are totally different between them: - Faith-based Miracles are god-given powers to be used in their defence and were born through the Lords souls; some examples could be your Great Lightining Spears from Gwin or my Sword Dance from Nito. Being a Bishop (or rather, presuming he was an actual bishop), Havel link to the miracles would be strong and the fact that his shield is Imbued with one is a strong proof of that; - Fire-based Pyromancies are totally different; the currency used to "fuel" this magic consists of the Souls that you "feed" to the flame. I'd dare to say that they are the magic closest to the "natural" order of the world, with the Flames being a sort of derivation from the Dragons; I'd say this idea of mine is strenghtened by the existance of Poison Pyromancies and Poison dragons; the fact that mostly the Pyromancy was born in the great swamp, where the link with nature/natural order is "stronger" is another hint I'm willing to take. Chaos Pyromancies are a "deviant" form of this magic, born from the abuse caused by the WItch of Izalith; this particular type of pyromancy takes a bigger toll on the user, requiring him/her to burden himself/herself more heavily (i.e. taking two attunement slots per spell); being a magic that resembles/derives from the dragons is something that Havel would not approve and my guess is that neither does the Way of White: when you meet Laurentius at the Firelink Shrine for the first time, he asks if you maybe are someone who despise magic and I always linked this (probably without a real reason) to the near Thorolund; - Intelligence-based Sorceries are the one I admit to know the least about; my wild guess would be that it could be a totally human magic; another idea is that the deviant nature of Seath not only gave him a scaleless skin, but also deprived him from his rightful fire power, replaced with the magic one.

[@erigor11]

As you can get to know from Logan and the other magician (I don't remember his name), the Vinheim sorceries are related to knowledge and study. Seath was seeking knowledge as he was determined to achieve the secret of inmortality and, of course, he then learnt a lot about sorcery. From where? Who the fuck knows, this is dark souls, but surely not from humans.

[@roaringlaughter3812]

miracles are not spells perse they are basically stories of events passed, the more you faith have in these stories, the more potent the effect of said stories hence the name "miracles

[@scivekay6221]

I'm spanish and the armor description is that indeed xD 10:10

[@drowninginthoughts]

I always connected havel to the dragon covenant. I had no proof but the power of his shield reminded me of the dragon scales and the dragon torso stone transformation. using the weapons of the dragons to have be able to defeat seath

[@warriorcladindragonbone9751]

Havel=Badass nuff said....

[@Lairanza]

I've seen all your Dark Souls lore (1 and 2). Great work ! I think I need to see your videos one or more time to understand better. Because yes, I'm French ^^

[@dh_isu]

"Magic was a mistake" -Havel "The Rock" Miyazaki

[@SilverMont]

And yet he still uses miracles, which are pretty close!

[@jannealitalo9958]

Thanks Alex. Awesome video as always!!! :)

[@onyxtay7246]

Just a thought, but I think the key implies that Havel did have a plan to kill Gywn. Pronouns represent the last proper noun. So the word his means whatever the last name was. While in this case there really are no proper nouns I think we can all agree that "hero turned hollow" and "a dear friend" are as close as we get. The word his is referring to the dear friend. Gywn. I am also going to say that this could be completely wrong, but it seems like nothing in dark souls is done without a reason. So I'm guessing that the grammar is intentional.

[@user-vz5mo6lj5g]

the funny thing is i kill gwyn with havels armor😂 i find it the best to use against him

[@maria_remedios]

Maybe Gwynevere used that club to pleasure herself but she stashed it closed to Havel's armor just to frame him. But hey that's just a theory.

[@milkman2040]

Brow wtf 😭😭😭

[@09csr]

There's one reason for why the Havel the Rock we encounter in the Undead Burg is the true Havel: there are supposed to be very few who are strong enough to wear a dragon's tooth as a weapon. While it could be that someone was that strong, I feel it is unlikely someone other than Havel himself would wear the tooth, Havel's Ring, and his armour.

[@09csr]

+Calle Nilsson Oh, and I have a very unpolished theory: could it be that Gwyn's Fantastic Four could've been a Fantastic Five, or at least something close to it? Gwyn apparently held Havel pretty high, perhaps high enough to give him a soul in the same way he did with Ornstein and co. Furthermore, Havel has a unique ring, and even if its isnt referred to as an animal's ring, like e.g Ornstein's Leo Ring, its a powerful artifact, and those rings were Ornstein and co's trademark. Just pure speculation though.

[@SilverMont]

+Calle Nilsson Well, those four were his "knights" - Havel was a bishop! So I suppose it's similar, just a different kind of "general" in his army.

[@toasttime3044]

+Silver Mont havel use dark ember to hunt the god because havel was a guy who really hate magic from gywn to seath that why he need dark ember to kill god maybe he lock up for he own good?

[@juggledlotus5431]

+Silver Mont Why do you think they remembered the name Havel but not even the name Gwyn, Gwyndolin, Artorias, Etc. All the "old gods" that got forgotten completely yet they still remember Havel? On top of that they don't know if it was a person or an army or a country so when it is being remembered it's like "hey ever heard of that Havel? me either"Also you said the lords can't hollow only humans are hollows... Gwyn and Artorias are Hollow. If you think they are anything else go back and talk to Frampt/Gough.

[@SilverMont]

Juggled Lotus There was only one Gwyn, but Havel had a whole bunch of warriors who ostensibly used the same equipment so... I dunno, maybe that had something to do with it. That, and he was a man, not a god. Gods generally get more aggressively "erased" from history, it feels like.

[@andreasmuller9147]

One interesting topic regarding Mirrah and that holy spring is the way the east in Dks differs so much to the one we are shown in Dks 2, this version features many cultural elements related to the west such as armor designs and weaponry (Chainmails instead of samurai like armour, greatswords and longsword instead of katanas etc). I personaly see Mirrah as holy land such as israel during the crusades. I tell you this because you cover the lore of the game in ways others would not consider and that's what makes your videos so interesting and fun to watch.

[@lightness7670]

But his brother became a master in magic ; howl the moving castle

[@akhistotle]

Havel Monster dunked biggie and smalls.... well played indeed!

[@tredfxman]

Fascinating Story! i do prefer my reinforced Black Night Halberd before that Dragon Tooth however, considering the amount of time it takes to lift it up again.. lol :)

[@remoteobba]

love your lore videos. easy to follow and understand. thx

[@keegangates5073]

Now I want a Havel-like armor for my Titan in Destiny.

[@BlackfeatherLegion]

Fuck off mate

[@BlackfeatherLegion]

Fuck off mate

[@keegangates5073]

+Legendary Niwatori do you have a problem?

[@redseagaming7832]

Keegan Gates havells too good to be in Destiny

[@BlackfeatherLegion]

Keegan Gates The fact that you need to ask proves just how stupid you are.

[@UrsusMarior]

Nice vid on Havel. BTW you can find pic of npc's on the web with no helmets in the original Dark Souls. From made faces for the npc's even though you'll never see them. This is interesting because Havel is not shown hollow but human. Guess someone really wanted to shout the rock up!

[@scotthall7307]

God the translators on these games need a good whipping every game its inconsistent as fuck and different in four different languages! If you're gonna make mistakes make them the same ones each time at the very least.

[@BunglarDW]

Considering Siegward's motivation for wanting to kill Yhorm perhaps Havel knew the fate of Lord's of Cinder and knew what would happen to Gwyn and kept an occult club to put him down after he suffered said fate. I'm guessing he went hollow before he got to go through with that plan though, because he obviously didn't succeed if that was the case.

[@SilverMont]

Give him the ol' smack to the back of the neck with a big club? Seems fair

[@garichill3240]

havel is a phantom in the deep dark abyss in dark souls 2

[@thefreeviper4511]

probably not him, going by the way you think, alva is also there

[@camiloprieto3814]

+TheFreeViper Prince Ricard as well.

[@yakuzashibe]

+Fukuro - Pierce the Heavens The other one looks like lone hunter schmidt

[@MugenDino5555]

I think that Havel's warriors armor is resistent against magic because ancient dragons' breath could possibly be made of magic as Kalameet's breath deals magic damage.I also think that the occult club in anor londo was put there by havel or someone he worked with for some kind of rebellion against the gods, if you notice the club is found inside a mimic like if it was used as a safe or something like that.i apologize for my horrible english i hope you can at least understand what im trying to say.

[@Swagmaster65]

I would like to say that brightstone cove is riddled with white crystals and a dead dragon husk stuck to the roof of the boss area. perhaps the "terrible deeds" mentioned in the armor set of the hollows there are referring to seath's experiments.

[@dravest391]

6:48 ohhh i felt that

[@jackpollard550]

Nice save going into the Crystal Caves, Havel. Nice save.

[@lockex886]

great video man

[@JackOSergius]

I have the spanish version of the game, and it seems they were not very careful with the translations... If you join Gwynevere's covenant, you obtain a ring. In spanish, that ring has the same description as the one from Gywindolin's covenant, which is a major spoiler haha (you may read Gwynevere left Anor Londo and be like "wtf, I just talked to her"). Nice video, by the way! Keep 'em coming ;)

[@SilverMont]

Damn... that must be pretty confusing, or maybe the Spanish version is the TRUE version with all the real secrets haha

[@therockazoid1723]

Late to the party but I love Dark Souls and you did a great job with this. My opinion was always that Havel knew about what Seath was up to, and by that I mean creating Priscilla. He knew Seath had gone mad and was ready to take him out. However, when he told Gywn his (Gywn's) reaction was more to protect the name of his family. He made it his goal to contain Havel and use Seath as a potential weapon as he believed he was a more valuable ally than the Rock. I could be wrong but I do think that that is Havel at the bottom of the tower. We find his armor in the prison (of sorts) where he was kept before being killed. Remember that you must be killed to become a hollow. The occult club was used to kill him and then left behind before moving the body knowing that it would rise again.

[@russian_knight]

You're fat

[@Aka60thChip]

Havel all the way, I rocked his armor in both games in every play through (no pun intended), I have however used miracles but I don't think he's against that

[@camiloprieto3814]

+Igni Draconem Sorceries, Pyromancies and Hexes are considered "Magic". Miracles are not. Plus, he was a bishop that created a couple of miracles, so he can't be against it.

[@AlexWhite-ex8hl]

To be completely honest, he scared the hell out of me. I actually tried to parry him. "No, I totally didn't get one-shotted for my stupidity! Haha...haha...haa..."

[@SilverMont]

Alex White After watching Havel flatten someone, I don't think I ever tried to parry him, just to be safe haha

[@Mohammed33395]

perhaps the dragons tooth is fire and magic resistant because the Dragon breathed fire and/or magic.

[@alixio12]

It's because I farted

[@remingtonbrazzel9847]

Perhaps Havel was a demi god and his hatred for death got him locked away in the room in anor londo where gwyn sent an assassin to kill Havel with the occult club and they stripped him of his armour and weapons and put it in the chests along with the murder weapon!?!?!?

[@vasantk6663]

I think Havel was actually trying to kill Gwyndolin. He had an occult club to kill a deity, but he failed (because Gwyndolin is still alive). His intention was to kill him because Gwyndolin used sorcery, and it's likely Seath got close to him. Also, Gwyn, whom Havel is a loyal supporter of, didn't like Gwyndolin, so Havel had extra incentive to "honor kill" Gwyndolin. Gwyndolin must have spawned silver knight illusions to guard himself as well as make an illusionary wall that could only be opened by wearing the Darkmoon Seance Ring or killing Gwynevere, both of which Havel did not like. So he got caught by Gwyndolin, and that's the reason his armor (and dangerous weapon) are locked up in Anor Londo. First contribution to a lore! :D (even if it is wrong)

[@SilverMont]

Vasant Kuryari That would be a kinda interesting picture; Havel clubbing Gwyndolin's weird snake-legs with his occult club

[@vasantk6663]

Silver Mont Yeah, just like Petrus, Havel may be a bit evil too. Though, I wonder what the significance of the Ring of the First Sunborn is doing in Gwyndolin's chamber. I'm trying to figure out what all the unique/strange items are doing there and what lore and backstory they have. EDIT: I think it's safe to assume the mimics are a part of Gwyndloin's illusions because the 2 others at the top hold the item a man most desires: money. And we all know Gwyndolin hated the humans (Source: TerraMantis) and banished them (the reason Gwynevere leaves). So the mimic in the basement held Havel's (the human) greatest weapon. Also, since Havel is human, they could have had a long lasting feud unknown to the Chosen Undead.

[@diddymelone2265]

I rather feel this added line is like Gwyn telling you this story and he adds this himself to say "... for his own good, of course, Its not that I´m an asshole or something ... " to justify himself. not that anybody is believed to swallow this, but it might well have been the official version that Gwyn would have told others or maybe he did tell others about that incident and yeah, thats because he said it that way. As to why Havel hated Seath: there are plenty of reasons, but one link to that matter and his speculated rebellion against the gods might be that in the human world the biggest shit was made happen by the sorcerers. The sorcerers of Oolacile awoke Manus and drove his humanity wild, leading to the destruction of that human society. the sorcerers of new londo flooded the city and killed countless humans, for a good reason of course, but still. also Oolaciles sorcerers, the 4 kings and Seath all had a want for power, that drove them into doing terrible things, while the Gods and their followers already possessed seemingly all power and only wanted to preserve it. its possible that Gwyn simply turned a blind eye to Seaths twisted experiments and also orderered the flooding of new londo and Havel found out, so he lost respect for Gwyn and decided to overthrow him, therefor the occult rebellion. I also think the cause of Havels hatred for Seath isnt that simple, its not like Havel had a crush on Gwynivere and so had Seath and that kinda stuff ... nah could be possible, but sounds too idiotic to me. Oh and regarding the "Havel" in the watchtower: I also think it is Havel. the shield and dragontooth should be unique to him and yes he drops the ring and havel himself probably would have not needed this ring and he didnt use it as far as we know, but then again its still a game, and if he would drop his weapon or something, that would be kinda odd gameplay wise. ha also doesnt drop anything besides the ring, so maybe he didnt actually wear the ring but merely had it with him. its also the only way the player would know who the heck that guy is, other than the jerk, that smashed his face like 10 times already. how come his armour is in anor londo then? well ... his body disappears when we kill him the watchtower, and also time in lordran is convoluted ... haha everythings possible, but the heck I simply believe it is Havel. I also suspected he might have not been hollow. maybe he was simply locked away without being hollow or without being undead anyways. then again, he´s human so he would´ve not survived this long without being undead I guess. Another theory is that maybe the dear friend wasnt Gwyn. Maybe Gwyn was already on fire by the time Havel plotted his rebellion, maybe this rebellion was meant to hit Gwyndolin, although I dont believe this myself, only a quick thought. And maybe we get it all wrong and Havel had nothing to do with the occult rebellion and he rather is the one locked one of his warriors away himself, so Havel himself is the "dear friend", for some reason nobody could ever know, and that makes this thought kinda useless, and interesting, but nah skip it. In short: Just like with Solaire, despite everything else I chose to believe Solaire to be the lost first born son of Gwyn and thats it. I believe Havel to be the one in the tower and that he plotted a rebellion against Gwyn for some reason, and so was locked away by Gwyn. He probably was the first undead ever to be locked away somewhere, because if the asylum already existed then, I think they could as wel have locked him there, just to be safe. When you dont know nothing for sure, you have to choose your own story to believe - although being open for speculation is always a good thing^^

[@Rotizm1]

Good video. Two points I want to bring up: 1) How can Lords hollow if they have massive amount of souls? Isn't it that the more souls you have, the less likely you are to hollow? and 2) Ancient Soldier Varg may be one of the soldiers of the Rock himself. But this would mean that his weapon is not unique to Havel.

[@SilverMont]

Rotizm1 Hollowing (from a gameplay perspective, and presumably lore) is running out of humanity. In Demon's Souls, people achieve a similar "state" despite there being no humanity to begin with (just "souls") but even then, Gwyn is "hollow" and yet his soul contains great power. So maybe it's not having none, but losing enough. For example, say Gwyn had 10,000,000 "souls" and then he lost all but 100,000, he would still have a lot, but having lost so many could've reduced him to the state we find him in. If that makes sense? Like, if you had $100 to your name and then you woke up to find you had been left with $10, it would suck. If you had $100,000,000 to your name and woke up to find you had been left with $100, it would be a similar experience, right?

[@Rotizm1]

Silver Mont Makes sense, thanks!

[@10hawell]

You should read it with "w" and long "l", you don't have to thank, King Havel is also the name of a river in the Germany and the name of a Czech politician, and comes from the words Abel/hebel which means son / vapor, in Japanese, "Haberu" means "await".

[@Balto14261]

I like to think that Havel was just a special knight then an exacted army in a PVE point of view and not PVP because of players whereing his armor. And I think that the Occult Club was mainly for rebels such as Gywn,Ornstien, etc etc

[@zomeraktiven]

Damn, This was a really good video.

[@JJSwiftProductionsanims]

XD That first invisible path fail. Not saying i did any better but it was a laugh lol Nice lore video btw. :D

[@SilverMont]

JJSwiftProductions Been a long time since I fell off that path, which made it all the worse. But then, gravity and I never DID get along.

[@JJSwiftProductionsanims]

Silver Mont XD Same

[@BOnEhEAdD]

Vaclav Havel actually rocks - now he has an airport AND a Dark Souls miniboss named after him - thats like.. the ultimate achievement xD

[@ghullammurtazaibnwalid.the5705]

the mini dragon running from Havel is so funny

[@jordanbrown3816]

Great video! Almost thought you were going to die from seath's crystals at the end😂nice save

[@SilverMont]

Jordan Brown Can't stop the rock!

According to some people the friend that Locked away Havel is Ledo from DS3's Ringed City DLC..

[@smitty_jaeger]

@5:44 lol I feel their panic right here 😅

[@blakeolsen5398]

I was surprised that you did not talk about Havel's ring. The description talks about how only soldiers of Havel wore the ring to express faith in Havel and to carry a heavier load. Havel would not need to wear such a ring. Yet the ring is dropped by the being in the tower. That's why I think it is a solider in the tower.

[@SilverMont]

It doesn't explicitly say that, though. It mentions that Havel's soldiers wore the wrong, but nothing about the man himself, specifically. "The ring was named after Havel the Rock" yada yada. Now, whilst it could be taken and construed as implying that Havel DIDN'T wear the ring, I don't think it's conclusive evidence, either way.

[@ayadomazakura5406]

Nice video Alex keep up the awesome work!

[@SilverMont]

Thanks!

[@ayadomazakura5406]

Just a suggestion for the next lore video, Darkdiver Grandahl, little is really known about him (or I dont know much about him) and he seems to be a very interesting character

[@pbthroggy]

I wear Havel for the insane defense and poise, but a Halbred and Grass Crest for buffs and range.

[@gavinrigsby3169]

Silver Mont best KZbinr

[@elijahguyer848]

Might be wrong but gwyn didn't lock Havel up. I thought it was the blacksmith near sen's that locked him down there.

[@SilverMont]

+elijah guyer We don't know who locked him up, that's the issue, I suppose!

[@elijahguyer848]

There's an ember that says who locked him up

[@40mm-Grenade]

+Silver Mont Do you really think a wooden door would stop me? I'm currently in ash lake, chilling on the ashy beach getting a tan.

[@maherbenjamin6228]

When i go throught the door in the darkroot forest with havel in it i always think of the rocks theme so i was i smelled what he was cooking

[@aaronsteverson8222]

I know that you have been making a remastered series and but most of the video I that I am commenting on is good but could it not have been Gwyn but the nameless king that locked him away before he left and he was going to betray Gwyn for exiling his son due to siding with the dragons. he could somehow escape to come across arch dragon peak and morn a dragon he could call a firend?

[@ShinjiTheBaka]

Can't stop the rock.

[@TheMysticMage]

10:40 the reason that line wasn't included in the Japanese version is because in Japanese there is a specific form of sentence you use when you;'re talking about something you did for someone else's good. Because of this, that line would be redundant. That line is necessary in the English version because we don't have a sentence style like that.

[@lon242]

Is Havelyn still a thing in DS2 PVP? We need a lore video on him. Good job as always.

[@SilverMont]

I don't thiiiink so? I've not done any Dark Souls II PvP in ages though haha

[@CollinMac96]

People stopped using it after the nerd to avelyns and the remaining stopped after the net to heavy armour

[@slappybigalow436]

What about the DaS2 Abyss under Drangleic Castle? The first guy you fight is wearing all of Havels gear and has the dragon tooth and sheild.

[@SilverMont]

Slappy Bigalow I figured that was just an "easter egg" like with Ricard. But who knows? Maybe "shadows of the past" are present in the Abyss, for some reason.

[@FranzFerdinand76]

Havel wandered around Lordran and eventually hollowed out in Darkroot Basin. Seath sent his Golems down there to finish him off. Havel smashed several of them so a Channellor tricked Havel into following him into the tower and locked him in. Then the Channeller ran up the stairs and locked the other door. Havel being a mindless hollow just stood there ever since. The Golems were left there to watch over him but they're stupid so they just began wandering around the basin, thus explaining their presence there. The Channeller made his way to the parish and he's the dick that buffs those 20 hollows before the gargoyle fight. Somewhere along the line Seath sent the Moonlight Butterfly to snag the key from him.