Death of a Game: Warhammer 40k Eternal Crusade

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[@4xikzm9qcw12]

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[@HPLovesCraftsCat]

now we need a video on warhamner 40k lost crusade

[@jerkboy1212]

where do i use the code does it pop up or is it when we make our players

[@natwon633]

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[@johanhall7683]

I was around at the time when the pre launch packages came out and in my friend circle the hype and optimisime was quite high. We expected Planetside with a warhammer skin more or less. Though as we have seen and shown here we got something far off the mark. While i sorta liked the game for the fun one could get out of it i would say i had some fond memories of it largely due to being there at the time and to play it with friends. Hopefully a propper 40k MMO is made in the future though i would not expect much untill it is out.

[@sukamadik5983]

When there is an ocean of Warhammer games it's easy to forget some of them even existed.

[@natecw4164]

Which continues to drive me insane, as I just want a major game focused entirely on being an Ork.

[@ruszofykalach7798]

@@natecw4164 Meanwhile "Warhammer 40k Shootas, Blood & Teef"

[@natecw4164]

@@ruszofykalach7798 It's not a bad game, but it's hardly a major project. I should have clarified, something bigger than what we've had so far.

[@WalknTalknStevnHawkn]

@@natecw4164speed freaks was a lot of fun during the beta

[@cmdraftbrn]

yeah there may be an ocean of games. and 90% of it is hot garbage.

[@SgtGigawattz]

Fun fact: The Ork faction was the only faction not to have melta-weapons, meaning they were severely lacking in primary anti-tank weaponry unlike the other factions. Despite this, the Orks were seemingly the most well-coordinated faction because when players roleplayed as Orks, the biggest and loudest often became the overall commander. The simplistic communications of the Orks lent itself to overall better command and control.

[@BeyondDaX]

@SgtGigawattz Back in the day, the Orkz players fought for pride and wanted to prove themselves even against the strongest and most talent poached out of the games' player base. The Ork players are the most IMO motivated of all the Eternal Crusade players

[@SgtGigawattz]

@@BeyondDaX I unironically believe that. The Orks were legit underdogs.

[@Gebunator]

Oh, but Orks had rokkit launchas OR powerklaw and super stickys. They were just one notch below Eldar when it came to tankbusting. The trick was to charge up a powerklaw attack, throw super sticky, roll away to i-frame the explosion and power klaw again and no more rhino. Or if you wanted to be safe, take medium range pot shots at rhino's rear. It was so amazing to be part of a WAAAGH, when we orks were led, the Warbosses tended to be in character and just ham it out in Orkish.The end round report may say we lost a fight, but we always won for DA ORKS BE MADE FOR FIGHTING

[@BaranZenon]

Once da boyz make a player made event that everyone will join as orks and use the most shitty weapon in the game - a grenade launcher. And since we were using it for lolz, the spam was massive (just imaging being spamed with fire crackers) and our enemy were Loyal Space Marines, so we won... somehow. And guess what happened after that - they NERFED the worst weapon in the game, that apparently worked only in large numbers and when enemy was bad at the game, becouse LSMs were complaining that it was OP.

[@BAGELMENSK]

Fucking incredible.

[@VIPandalicious]

Small correction. Space Marine was single player focused, but the original release had multiplayer PvP. Was fun because you got to customize your armor somewhat. It was based around Space Marines fighting Chaos Marines I believe.

[@GFlight.916]

I never knew Jack shit about 40k but I sunk countless hours into that multiplayer. It's a shame Space Marine 2 won't have multiplayer.

[@Skaikrish]

Space Marine multiplayer was frigging great. I almost played that as much as i did play call of duty at that time

[@Skysavio10]

yep and the multiplayer is active to this day, people still play that MP

[@travis51killer01]

@@GFlight.916 it wont have??? oh well, i guess is fine, but i really wanted to see an upgrade of their old multiplayer

[@GFlight.916]

@@travis51killer01 same.

[@VDViktor]

its honestly mind blowing that nobody has made a solid, polished,battlefront-ish game is wh40k universe. Its as if people knew beef existed but nobody thought of cooking a steak. Just crazy.

[@Redsword603]

The series would be absolutely perfect for a proper Battlefront type game. You already have many factions that you could play as like Tau, Necrons, IOM, Chaos, Orks, Eldar and the Tyranids.

[@anoriolkoyt]

There is an "paradox" in doing something like that... the grander the scale, the more it has to stay close to lore, the more it will cost, and the more that Games Workshop needs to be involved. This is exactly what happened with Total War WH fantasy series. Largest total war game in history AND Warhammer game. Because of this budget is huge and Games Workshop has the final say in almost everything. Be happy though, WH40k total war is confirmed to be in production (will be ready in a couple years at least, i imagine). Lets all just be patient, the worst thing that could ever happen to WH is to give the licence to the big three developers.

[@BeyondDaX]

@@anoriolkoyt They might if they want more money

[@0lionheart]

It's not, Star Wars is an easier sell. It's all ages, it's engrained in pop culture, it's a lot of re-usable assets. Lots of "humanoids with blasters or swords". With 40K, you have a more niche IP that is ultra-violent and grim-dark, so age rating has to start higher. Then, you need to do a lot of custom work per-faction; very few can share skeletons and animation sets. Orks, Tyranids, Marines etc all unique sizes, stances and movement. You have to balance allllll the unique aspects of 40K, like psykers, Eldar magic, Necron movement speed and reanimation. How do uneven team sizes matches work, e.g SM v 'nids? We can say "oh it'd be fun to be a swarm of nids" but the evidence shows that the players who make up the bulk of the numbers, don't tend to agree. Fun for the SM racking up multi-kills, not so much for the frustrated 'nid who keeps getting crushed. So it costs more, have a smaller audience, and has a ton more problems. I can see why it hasn't been done yet personally.

[@Redsword603]

@@0lionheart Unfortunately, compared to Warhammer 40k. Star Wars is just more family friendly so it'll just sell more and have a wider audience than Warhammer 40k.

[@spiffymussel1537]

I’m real sad the game died. I started playing when they went free to play and had a blast. I can see how people could have felt betrayed by the game, but I loved the game.

[@Cruddyhorse]

It seemed bizarre to me that they didn't just go for a Battlefront-style game from the get go instead of advertising the lofty goal of being the next Plantside, it seems that if they had always marketed it as Battlefront Style the game wouldn't have been poorly received and may have instead done quite well.

[@cursedhawkins1305]

It's mainly due to how the universe of 40K is whenever mention of battles happen, they're always massive in scale from numerous battalions of troops, armor, walkers and even Titans duking it out on a single battlefield, not even EA's Battlefront would be able to support such scales which is why they went with the Planetside 2 advertisement approach, because in some arguments it would have been the best way to sell the IP of Warhammer as a whole, take an example with the Total War games then vision that in the 40K universe.

[@benjaminw6985]

@@cursedhawkins1305I disagree, any of the war engines like Titans or whatever the Eldar have, could be like ATATs. Baneblades like the behemoths from BF1.

[@cursedhawkins1305]

@@benjaminw6985 No, no they wouldn't because you're trying to claim something roughly the size of a Warhound Titan can be similar to oh let's say an Emperor Titan, plus the Baneblade has give or take a total of ten different guns on it (and that's not even considering all the variants of the Baneblade) where an AT-AT has what, two sets of guns.

[@nohrianscum9791]

Given the long line of Warhammer games that are just "Popular game with a coat of Citadel model paint", I am actually surprised there wasn't a game that copied the Battlefront formula.

[@cursedhawkins1305]

@@nohrianscum9791 Because the formula wouldn't work for 40K's scale, take the battle on Hoth for example, the Empire only approached from one direction allowing Rebels to prepare defenses facing that direction, replace the Empire with a faction like the Tyranids and you'll expect a much different combat scenario to playout because the Tyranids don't attack from one single direction, they will first recon the target (in this case Echo Base) with either Lictors, Genestealers and Leapers, all three of these can be extremely dangerous in their own right such as Lictors being able to easily infiltrate a base thanks to their own stealth capabilities even for a creature that can be two to three meters in height thanks to their body heat dampeners and Chameleonic scales making the creature be practically invisible to drone and human eyes.

[@AspieMemoires]

Having the Orks be the free faction with in-game reasoning for there being so many potential Orks (f2p players) and gameplay mechanics designed around it, that’s actually really neat. Im kind of sad this game didn’t do as well. It had some great concept ideas. Edit: I respectfully disagree, Dawn of War is the most beloved game of the franchise the first one lol

[@cpom5075]

Really was an "Art imitates life" moment here: -Charismatic leader promised a glorius idea of a groundbreaking game and ammassed a following of passionate and zealous fans. -Suddenly leaves in the middle of development and the mantle of leadership is passed to another one. - Fanbase is split right down in the middle between those who still believe in the orignal idea of the game and those who fear the worst will come. - In the end, the game is a shallow husk of its former self, doomed to die slowly. Now where have we heard about this before?

[@ksh2596]

In this case, art imitated art, but yeah

[@moonsaves]

I will say one thing for this game - it is still the absolute best representation of playing an Ork there ever has been. The weapons, the animations, the models, the music - everything was amazing. And then at the end of the round everyone firing their shootas as you let off one massive collective WAAAGH! I genuinely miss the experience.

[@Gebunator]

Hold T to waagh.

[@funguy398]

Same. Even the trukk was rumshakled

[@pepsastomna7758]

Nothing was amazing and we could barely play orkz, since a month after releasing them you couldn't find a lobby other than SM vs CSM.

[@zlyten1473]

So, this one is a funny one for me, you see, I was a member of the community back in the day, this was *THE* game I was playing back in my teenager-hood, (422 hours on record) I was one of the main people who were running official PVP tournaments (somehow) and I was a member of one of the biggest guilds around and so forth, and honestly, it had an incredibly big impact on my life in more ways then I count. I have some incredibly fond memories of this game and community, and some really not-that-fond, but I don't regret any of it. But if there is one word I could summarize the game with, I think by now it'd be 'disappointment'. What all founders (people who bought the game) were sold on a vision of 40k but Planetside, but Behaviour never really even managed (in my opinion) to get even close to that. Back in the beginning there were promises of story written by one of the best Warhammer writers, a story that will have many really well known main-line characters in 40k (Abaddon the Despoiler, THE main Chaos Space Marine for one.) And worst of all, the more game progressed, in a way, the worse it was becoming, and that's not even because content was bad, but, what was being promised versus what was being delivered was always so incredibly underwhelming. Having *any* real content update put out was a process that took MONTHS. I remember one time where we have waited back in the day for like three months, and all we got was a single map, that wasn't even really that much different from all the maps already in the game. And that is not even mentioning the fact that looking in hindsight, every update was becoming smaller and smaller, with less and less people playing. The game was also so incredibly buggy and barely there, especially with not 'mainstream' factions. As Orks and Eldar were more or less barely played by anyone, so only time to have a match as a member of these two was in the very peak times of population, or when guilds themselves organized things. The fact that as I mentioned, Behaviour barely managed to add any content haven't helped. Eternal Crusade wasn't a 40k Planetside, but Behaviour haven't even managed to turn it into a half-competent lobby shooter with how little content there was. The time I really soured on the game and more or less gave up on it was when it went F2P, and it was all because what felt to me (rightly, it seems) at the time it was a desperate last-ditch money grab, combine that with an item store that felt like it was being a desperate cash grab (I as a founder who paid 60 USD haven't even gotten half of that in the in-game store currency). And the funniest thing was that the entire Ork F2P thing was gave up on, with Orks being reskin of other factions just way more clunky and buggy, even if something amusing to play. (The main Ork guild that I recall was by far most fun group of people to play with, and that comes out of someone who was having 90%+ of playtime on a CSM. And their leader *never* broke his Ork character, ever, he was amazing. Also if I recall correctly supposedly a riot cop in NYPD?) Anyway, to end this rambly mess, I would also add the fact that by far what felt worst to me other then the lack of any content updates was the fact game felt somewhat... meaningless? Look at campaigns for once, we were promised that they will achieve things, and be able to influence things, I was a person who was really into that sort of stuff back then, but it more or less ended up working as 'this faction has this progress bar to fill, and nothing really happens either way if they do it or not'. That combined with barely any content being added, and the fact that community on their own already managed to add more then BH ever did tells you some things. (Terminators weren't in the original game, together with multiple other things.) And that wasn't because people working on the game were hacks, but because according to informations I heard years after quitting the game, the game had at MOST like 6 full-time employees working on it after it launched in early access on steam, and that number being attired the longer the game was out. Eternal Crusade, sadly, ended up mirroring how actual crusades have ended up, not with a blast, but with a whimper.

[@Pixie1001.]

Omg, I still remember them talking about how they were gonna get this magical out of the box cloud server technology that was gonna make hosting 1000 players simultaneously super easy and blow Planetside 2 out of the water... And then finally admitting nobody actually knew much about the software, they couldn't afford it, and it didn't actually do what they thought it did so it was back to 30 players lobbies xD

[@SgtGigawattz]

I ran an Ork group called "Da Fukk Boyz".

[@beepy9666]

Funny thing is, it was the same situation for me only Planetside 2-wise. I was in charge of Ghost of the Revolution's (GOTR) infantry operations at the time and when this game was announced we were all hyped as there were a TON of us that were 40k nerds. That all quickly faded after the alpha came out and we saw how bad it was. While some bought into the game, I however, refused to saying it's nothing like that they were promising and that it would more than likely die a painful death the same way that it came in. A pipedream that was never delivered and fueled with empty promises. Having played Warhammer Online, the whole MMO aspect being tagged onto 40k titles leaves a very bad taste in my mouth to this day. And I absolutely LOVED WH-O. I have absolutely *zero* faith in a developer being able to pull it off, ever. Despite the fanbase being there, the developer/investor/publisher interest to properly make/fund a title certainly isn't.

[@MrPendalv]

What was your name, warrior?

[@NFS0038]

Now imagine if this happened to a franchise that was once the biggest in the world, and the developer wasn't a AA studio self publishing, but funded by Microsoft and already had been creating games in the franchise for 10 years. Imagine over promising and under delivering for 10 years straight. Oh.

[@RedneckOgre9000]

I’m not a Warhammer guy at all, but when I heard the words “Behaviour Interactive” I immediately felt a kinship with Warhammer players since I’m a DBD player and know the pain that Behaviour Interactive brings.

[@MrPendalv]

Same. I was one of the best ec players and then moved to DbD after ec died. Bhvr manage to create love-hate relationship with their games for all players who play them xD

[@DethPenguin]

Ironically DBD signed Eternal Crusade's death warrant. As soon as it was clear DBD's launch was a smash success Behavior pretty much pulled all investment in trying to turn around EC's flopped launch.

[@sukamadik5983]

I guess the Emperor doesn't always protect

[@kpops_is_fab]

Blasphemer!!!

[@mikedsps]

The Emperor destroys the heretic.

[@Wafflemarine22]

I'm calling the Inquisition!

[@seanbrazell7095]

HERESY!

[@cmdraftbrn]

this comment here inquisitor!

[@PenguinDT]

Miguel Caron's open-brainstorming-as-hype was so over-the-top that it would make Molyneux blush.

[@CupCakeUnleashed]

At least once a year Im reminded of this game... I really wish they had downscaled the game into being more a battlefront-esk game, rather than the giant mess it would ultimately become. The early alpha stuff was actually pretty cool and I really wish they'd stuck to what they had built than the massive changes the game would eventually undergo. I remember waking up at like 3am to watch their devstreams, and every time I was so excited... until they completely switched to unreal engine, then everything started going downhill.

[@warbossbenny6877]

I hope Henry Cavill opens the floodgates for some great WH40K content in years to come

[@BeyondDaX]

Don't expect a whole ton though, considering GW

[@almalone3282]

​@@BeyondDaXGW lets people do almost anything they want as long as they pay the license fee and don't completely break canon. That's why we have so few GOOD warhammer games both fantasy and 40k. Hell its the reason rouge trader has a romance system even though it goes against the grimdark setting. Because GW allowed it.

[@valentinromero3616]

​@@almalone3282 Genuine question: how does the romance system goes against the grimdark setting?

[@phoenixmarktwo]

​@@valentinromero3616 It doesn't, he just thinks grimdark means there can't be any hope in the setting whatsoever.

[@almalone3282]

Y'all seem to be confusing grimdark with dark fantasy. A quote on the difference between the 2. "So, to sum it up in a delightfully morbid nutshell, grimdark is a subgenre that thrives on moral ambiguity, gritty realism, and a sense of unrelenting bleakness. Dark fantasy, on the other hand, is a marriage of fantasy and horror, with a heightened focus on supernatural terrors and the darker aspects of human nature." When you add romance into Grimdark, you remove dread and make hope an attainable goal instead of a delusional pipedream. Turing it from grimdark to edgy fantasy. Part of 40k appeal is that the bad guys already won, a very long time ago too. All humanity can do is keep its dying flame bright as long as possible.

[@Bluelightshield]

I joined EC after all was said and done, around 2018 or so. I heard no empty promises, nothing. All I got was the steam reviews sitting at mixed, I did not know a thing about warhammer and in fact, EC was the first I ever seen about it. It was free so I figured... What do I have to lose? And I can say without doubt... I loved the game so dearly! I had so much fun with it, the free version gave me an idea what I would get, and I liked what I saw. So I got the full version and played for years! I remember playing as an Ork and running over 3 other Orks with my Trukk, "Greller" was the Ork name I used, one of the people laughed at what I did, the other was being a humie git and tried to kick me so I told em "NEXT TOIME GET OU' DA WAY YA STUPID GIT!" Such a fond memory. I loved messing around in that game and got Chaos and Orkz to max lvl! (Which was lvl 5 I think?) I'm not dumb tho, I knew the game was unbalanced and broken at times with jank. And sometimes it did feel frustrating. The thing is tho... I did not care! I had a very positive experience with the game, I was sad this game was not getting updates, but still! I knew this would be another classic in my eyes, sitting proudly next to Gear of War, Halo, A Hat in Time, Splatoon, Prey, and so many others! Later I got Space Marine after EC introduced me to Warhammer 40K as a whole, but I did not like it as much, mostly because Chaos and Spacemarines felt exactly the same aside from the armors and spawns, while In EC they all felt different. SM were the well rounded faction and while Chaos could do the same, they were better suited to being specialized! Orkz were just fun with loud guns and a feeling of smiles all around! While Eldar had more run and gun style, glass cannon types, fast and agile, even their Reapers! If not for EC, as flawed as it was, I would not have been a Warhammer fan. Then when the shutdown happened... I was really sad to see it go, at first I accepted it until I thought about it... Why could it not stay? Why did we not get servers for us to host to keep the game alive? Were the devs really spending so much money to keep the servers up or to give us private servers? Then a new and deep hatred for live service games first become clear to me. It was not hard to keep the game alive, but they killed it anyway, even when I paid full price for it which should mean I own it... But nope, I didn't own anything. Then as time went on I saw more games do this to their players. This is a threat to gaming and our fond memories that these companies try to force us in, and we should do something about it to save the games we love. We do own our games, we paid for them, and we should fight for that in anyway we can! These companies cannot just take what we own and shut them down to save a few bucks! We need to act. Now-a-days I like Warhanmer Fantasy better than 40k purely because I found the wonders of Skavendom. "All will fall to Horned-Rat, Yes-yes!" But no matter how much time has passed, I still remember EC. And I dearly hope the modders make the game better than what it was under Behaviour. And dearly hope we all come together to fight for the security of the games we love.

[@ZoranTheBear]

I remember streaming this game and had the entire Ork team assemble as the jump pack boys to all jump at the same time off one of the fortress walls straight into the eldar. This game was a trash fire, but it was our trash fire.

[@daltonjones3657]

Something that wasnt touched on was that they suddenly switched directors almost halfway through development. Went from a yes man who said everything anyone wanted was coming to the game to a more grounded guy who shot all those promises down as unachievable.

[@Robonauta]

Sounds like that first director should've been switched out much sooner

[@Izlude84]

Space Marine 2 is finally here and satisfies so much of what I have been missing from gaming.

[@opheliamoonrose4316]

I was actually a backer for Eternal Crusade and to say I felt cheated would be an understatement.

[@chrisgibson8863]

I followed this game from the very beginning. I had such high hope for it, the initial pitch was so insane. The entire 40k universe in open battle, all factions represented, massive battles... man it hurts thinking about what might have been.

[@ulfgard4734]

More than anything, I'm mad that I let myself get sucked into the hype. The brazenness with which they proclaimed they were committed to "under-promise and over-deliver" while knowing all the while that they were lying through their teeth is really something else. I realize, of course, that nobody sells rotten bananas; the lengths they went to to piss on the community's metaphorical back and tell us it was raining are still galling.

[@MrPendalv]

What was your name in game? Yes, it has such big potential and very much unique technics, role-diversed gameplay. But warhammer fans didnt show enough support and thats why bhvr moved on dbd, which has 80-100 k online today, counting console and egs players

[@1995HunterKiller]

Greetings from a former Lords of Arkhona member. The only good thing that ever came out of this big pile of lies was the community. Ave dominus nox

[@MrPendalv]

What was your name, warrior?)

[@NoProtect]

I paid for dark millinium and got eternal crusade. I was pissed

[@Jorendo]

I never understood why they canceled the MMO. It was the right time to release a MMO still, and people were looking forward to a big world with different Warhammer 40k races clashing. They had Knights, bikes, everything, and suddenly it was canceled. Never really heard why, just its done, o hey but we will use the stuff we made to make Eternal Crusade...but not really, cause we don't use the models after all.

[@ryanwhaley5041]

I always think this game is older than it is. I remember playing it but I thought it was at least 3-4 years earlier than 2016.

[@Sara.Space.H]

RIP Totalbiscuit indeed

[@yegkingler]

'Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment ', and man, was I hopeful for this game.

[@buckrodgers1162]

They promised 'Planetside in the 40k Universe', and delivered 'CoD in the 40k Universe' MTX and all. Yeah, that's not the best way to keep people interested.

[@PitH0und]

Dawn of War watching angrily from the corner as literally every other good WH game that came after it is mentioned.

[@V0IV0DE]

They promised planet side 2 and they delivered Space Marine multiplayer with just a little bit more. It wasn't a very bad game, but not what they promised to deliver. It's they classic "Anthem" response, but at least it gone longer than only a year.

[@RecoveringLoLAddict]

As someone who put 800 hours into it and even grinded the fucking kill a Tyranid Warrior with a knife achievement, I can tell you that steam rolling SM as CSM was the most fun I had in any shooter, I fucking loved my Abbadon's Grace and still miss it to this very day.

[@MrPendalv]

True. I miss my bolter, i become one with it, i was a walking death with it. But my real passion was with demon bolt. Insane trickshots, mindgames and reading of the enemies with precise manuevering in 3D with it around walls and corners. Weapon of mass destuction nobody knew how to use it except 3+- players

[@forwenein2669]

I remember all the cries from LSM about AG being "p2w!!!!", even though it had same shots-to-kill vs basically everything, and was just more visible thanks to flaming tracer rounds lmao.

[@Nardax]

@@MrPendalv hell yeah brother

[@DandySlayer13]

I remember Playing this game when it had no Eldar or Orks just Space Marines and Chaos Marines!!! I had fun with it. Brother, where is the Death of a Game about Monday Night Combat and its Successor Super Monday Night Combat?????

[@Malfashoud]

As one of the main organizers of the only aeldari guild to stay until the very end, I'm pleased that this comment section is mostly people reminising about how fun orks were to play, and far less salt.

[@Nardax]

gg ez

[@Teno2001]

It’s still sad that this game never truly become what it could have become.

[@tylersmith9942]

With Helldivers 2 paving the ground work GW has a nice blueprint to look at if they ever wanted a new big game to come out

[@ZzVinniezZ]

assuming if GW know about it. alot of big company are so lacking between "what is a good game" and "what is trending" Warner Bros double down on live action service for their games and blue print of many games has been dead before and why the players hate it. let just agree Warhammer cursed in making video game is not as easy as it look.

[@ShadowOfHistory-wn1xh]

EC is borderline a scam. It was selling a game that didn't exist.

[@UnbihexiumTheStable]

As a very active member of the community early in this game's life (pretty much since it was first announced by the team in a stream), I can tell you there's something that killed this project in the womb that nobody talks about. The game was originally developed in Unity because it was expected to use the Pikko Server technology to allow for lots of concurrent players. I remember one day around the time the original head of the dev team, Miguel Caron, announced his departure all mentions of Pikko Server were suddenly wiped from the website. Around this time it was also announced that the game was switching to Unreal engine (my suspicion is that perhaps the devs wanted to switch to using SpatialOS which is a tech that was in development for Unreal and would've had similar capabilities) and Nathan Richardson was brought in to salvage the project. Unfortunately Nathan never spoke about what happened to Pikko server and instead chose to try to gaslight the community by telling us that we just misunderstood the definition of "massively multi-player". By the time SpatialOS launched EC was already too far gone to make use of it as there was virtually no development to speak of.

[@evilsponge6911]

Whenever I see Warhammer shovel ware on my steam page my eyes glaze over

[@ShonenXIV]

Chapter Master Valrak was the reason I found the game and he played til it's dying breath.

[@frankopanklaric]

RIP Totalbiscuit. If he saw what was going on today he would find a new hobby.

[@Archon3960]

_I was there... I was there the day Eternal Crusade died._ B/

[@brikonikgaming]

Recently found this channel been enjoying this series a lot thanks for making these.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Glad you enjoy it!

[@alexandergreer5141]

Wow, that first blog post that mentioned the game details made it sound like Helldivers 1 and 2. I kinds wish they had made it like that...

[@CerbearusBane]

I watched to regular update videos and they started really promising. It was essentially supposed to be planetside in 40k, which sounded awesome! Slowly, they kept telling us "we don't have the tech or resources to do this feature we previously promised, so we are cutting it" until the "MMO" eventually turned into a lobby shooter.

[@alexwinfield9540]

They didn't have the tech or ability to even do the promised console version, which I stupidly pre ordered, luckily my money was returned

[@Darkatron]

I had no idea this was supposed to be a MMO, I remember it, but remember thinking it was a co-op shooter haha

[@aquapendulum]

The lack of the promised persistent world was what repulsed me against this game. Stripping that away turns this game from a genre with few competition to one with way too much competition.

[@qwefg3]

They promised an MMO... Swapped to a shooter... And then took most of the money to fund/make Dead by Daylight... So while the game flopped it was the starter investment needed for their real project as a lot of people had paid those outrageous price tags expecting more.

[@ShadoSpartan44]

i was hoping for this game to be like planetside 2 but with a warhammer 40k skin. I was deeply wrong when i put money down and started playing it. It felt like a decent shooter but the overall gameplay feel was more like an arcade shooter but felt stiff and rough. As you usually hope for, "this will get ironed out" but never did and i moved on and forgot about it, until recently i saw they were abandoning the game

[@Zlumpy77]

Sadly still one of the best games where I could play as an ork. I remembered getting nerfed so many times because the orks were winning too much. Which was just a result of the ork playerbase being so into the faction and having fun.

[@BeyondDaX]

The Orkz are the fun faction for sure

[@MrPendalv]

Orcs was second strongest faction even in the end after all nerfs, because of their high toughness, and very dps weapons. Big shoota op until the end, ace dakka and big cannon were absolutely beyond any balance and won all games for orks before nerfs. Ace dakka still was a better version of autocannon even after nerfs. Also wagh in the end made points swarmed by orks and it was too much for average players to counter

[@kmel3588]

Jesus fuck why is there so many afk journey ads now

[@nikoladedic6623]

They probably have a massive ad campaign.

[@DestroyerArcher]

Likely they're making a significant push, so they are sponsoring as many large youtubers as they can.

[@BurgermanForever-nh2vp]

imagine not using an adblocker

[@DestroyerArcher]

@@BurgermanForever-nh2vp You can't adblock a sponsored ad literally part of the video, only click the time where it's gone.

[@igorthelight]

@@DestroyerArcher Google "Sponsorblock for KZbin" ;-)

[@Zargas]

This game was dead before arrival. It was dead the second the idea was born. The team was not ready for it, did not have the skill or money or actually create it. I really hope a more experienced team is looking at helldivers 2 with their warhammer figurines in hand and thinking "This could be done" DO IT!

[@CommanderBohn]

So much potential. So much hopes...and in this case it was the first step on the road to disappointment.

[@seanbrazell7095]

The game looked so much like SpaceMarine that it got really, really confusing in regards as to what to expect.

[@AlekGakovic]

You have the coolest intro of all youtube videos to date. I love your vids thank you so much.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

So nice of you

[@SigfridSWE]

Not just this game... death of a franchise... 40k in a dark place right now...

[@pinky6758]

Terminators 3 months after launch! (Truth: NR later admitted that his estimate assumed that every single dev does nothing else for 3 months.) Free DLCs forever! (Truth: Which is financial madness.) Campaigns within campaigns within campaigns! (Truth: Win X matches in a row. The campaign-map is meaningless bc this is a lobby-shooter.)

[@gorix16]

18:31 - I kindly want to mention Warhammer 40,000 Dawn of War series 1 & 2 made by Relic Entertainment. They are right now patching up Company of Heroes 3 who knows maybe they would add new campaing & new units & sides as they add to Company of Heroes 2 like 2 German Nazis Army sides, USA Army, & British Army on Skirmish battles on PVP.

[@Gontz_Csst]

This case is very curious when you research a bit deeper into the early development of the game. Much of it was impossible bullshit even for today's technology, but some of it was actually pretty close to what Helldivers 2 currently is, at least that "massive PvE with constant flow of battles between different planets". It was totally impossible for 2016, but I have to Say that I would love to see a retake on that, a "warhammer themed Helldivers 2" ir you Will.

[@gohomehero]

I had a blast with this game. Flying around with a jetpack and a power fist and demolishing everything in my path. Shame the game wasnt what it was supposed to be.

[@VeryMelonCB]

It takes a special kind of talent to mess up something like a WH40K version of Planetside.

[@gozewstuffnthings5837]

We wanted 40k planetside, not 40k small map lobby shooter.

[@reginadea2821]

Man I was so excited to finally get to play the eldar in a game it was the first ever game I preordered. I was so disappointed with how it turned out.

[@Zectifin]

what they announced "the pvp mode from space marine, but what if it was a Planetside knock off, with 2 tyranid PVE focused modes that were instanced" what we got "what if space marines multiplayer was shittier and jank?"

[@HallelujahHotdog]

That saxophone wailing at final deduction time swept me away. I had to rewind 3 times to hear that king level tooting!

[@MetulManiac]

It was never an mmo. It was, at best, a bug-ridden third person shooter with lobbies and progression.

[@AceStrife]

Ow. The unexpected TB mention always hurts.

[@khuri9030]

Still does to this day for many.

[@Grimprospect]

This game has been covered a lot, but you taught me all kinds of new things about the failure of this game! Great video, and really wish we could have gotten a 40k mmo to explore.

[@nerdSlayerstudioss]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Lamadredetuamigo]

Early backer here! I got scammed almost 230€ for what in the end became nothing. I know it was my fault but since then I never backed anything in digital media. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@travis51killer01]

i was a founder, and due to having a bad pc at the moment could not enjoy at its fullest. Also I always expected it to be an upgrade of the SPACE MARINE multiplayer and becoming planetside, that would enought for me. Of course, having more RPG elements would help, but i just wanted to be an Ork warlord in a huge battlefield.

[@craxus9449]

This game had SO MUCH potential. It was heartbreaking to play and see how they just didn't know what they were doing. It was fun for what it was, but it could have been incredible. Such is the problem with 40k games.

[@prdalien0]

One BIG thing left out here is that all the lofty goals and ideas came from a guy called Miguel Carron, that one guy was the only one you would hear talk about the game for years. He sold it as that original idea with all those crazy ideas like a single massive map and f2p Orks until around 2015 iirc he finally left and got replaced by people that realised all his promises were impossible.

[@5ilverback_706]

i think i payed 70 buck founders pack to support. Game was in early access from start to finish, it never was a 1.0. It had some potential but the competency and management from the dev team was annoying through the whole experience. I was literally waiting for all the promises they made in their streams but they shut it down before i even had a chance to pick it up lmao. One of my worst gaming investments and it made me look differently at early access games and supporting them early.

[@Marinealver]

An MMO could never encompass Warhammer 40,000 A 3rd person Battlefront style would have been more reasonable with melee class, range class, anti-vehicle class and faction specialist class. Special class for Commander and Elite would give players some customization and "hero" mechanics. Space Marines (chaos and other factions included) would cost 2 reinforcement tickets and Ork shooting would be random with guns waved around and rockets corkscrewing.

[@planescaped]

Planetside 2 was the game that made me realize I despise all free to play games. After spending nearly 2 weeks playing I was finally able to unlock a new gun, after using it for a bit I decided I'd buy a third... and I found absolutely zero satisfaction from using it. Playing with the purchased gun felt wrong, and I realized I hate the business model and feel it ruins games. That is still the first and only time I've ever wasted money on a fee to play game. Any free to play game would be significantly better were it reworked and balanced for in-game progression.

[@nineviaaware4910]

If you look up any weapon tier list they will always put default guns at B, A or even S, there is literally no reason to purchase most of them even for in-game earned currency. That's not your fault thou, I think its the only game that I can think off where buying new gun is bait for newbies. Also I don't know when they added it, but you can test-use them for 30 mins for free

[@dasmondschaf9011]

This one is very close to heart for me. I loved this game and played if frequently, it was a shock when they announced the server shutdown.

[@HairyStuntWaffle]

theres so many ARMA mods for 40k that just show there's a market for this kind of game.

[@lovelost28]

Can't wait to see Death of a game: AFK Journey

[@ambushbob5383]

Around the end there was a csm guild that abused I frames to chase off the Eldar players as they had fewer if any I frames. They did this because they only wanted Lsm and Csm.

[@Malfashoud]

We had some, at least before they pathed out most of them. :P

[@ambushbob5383]

@@Malfashoud HEEEEEEY Malfa!

[@randomhero6365]

At this point youll be able to add warhammer 40k darktide soon. They have almost fully abandoned the game and its back below 3k player counts again

[@Kamunchu]

I want a 40k MMO

[@cicero7409]

One of the best adaptations of 40k ever made. I still think about this game at least once a year.

[@catowarmeowson9964]

I will never understand how they fucked this up so bad, Planet side 2 was already out for over a year at this point. They had so much work done for them

[@Twilleh]

We cant have good 40k games we need 10 more low budget turn based strategy games for the dads

[@MrVlad12340]

Its a shame it died. Game was actually rather good and i wish it got better…

[@spahghettiboi4150]

Rumbleverse was so damn good. I do think it could've been better shown, but yeah, I do miss it.

[@taliawtf6944]

I played this game and one of the biggest grips everyone had was the combat balance, the Eldar always won no matter the faction they fought as they had the highest DPS guns and melee weapons. It got so bad people stopped picking the sections of the map they were either the attacker or defender of just to avoid the jank.

[@kwindafidler7728]

im not deep into warhammer but i like the universe from that point i can't imagine how a shooter or actionmmo can transport the spirit and weight of the world, how a player can experience all the stuff besides the battles in an immersive way what make the battles seem to be so damn epic

[@dracomalfoyvevo]

Scamming the Warhammer 40k fandom to create Dead by daylight and then repeat the same. Based.

[@Poisedanubis85]

As a wrhammer 40k fan ,,,who didn’t get around to this,,,it had so much promise ,,,this one hurt

[@RumblesBettr]

U didnt play this? So how does it hurt

[@Poisedanubis85]

@@RumblesBettr ok little sadist it was a figure of speech but to enlighten you I will elaborate, this game prior to its release was a cause of massive hype in the community (if you watch the death of a game vid you would know why, their aren’t many decent WH40k games out there and the ones that are either fly under the radar or get lost in a sea of shit,,,,there ya go little idiot did that help you much???

[@hwowwhwoo]

Oh wow, I was completely unaware of this game. I love 40k, it sucks the that GW gave such a cool project to a company that couldn't handle it

[@Kottery]

Eternal Crusade founder/early supporter/whatever we're called here. I went in thinking it'd expand into the Planetside 2-esque gameplay as mentioned, but what I got was Space Marine multiplayer lobbies expanded. Now I loved Space Marine's MP so I did still enjoy it for a bit, especially with the new roles that Space Marine didn't have like Apothecary and Sorcerer (I adored Sorcerer at the time due to DoW2 Retribution's Last Stand mode). It's been so long so I can't really remember, but eventually I got really sick of playing the game. I wanna say it was even before Eldar and Orks were added, but when they were added I came back for a bit and was pretty underwhelmed (though at the time I wasn't a Craftworlds fanboy like I am now). After a bit I only felt absolute disdain for the game until it died a quiet death from nobody wanting to play. Honestly I do wish I could play it again now as I've since gotten into the tabletop aspect of 40k, have gone MUCH deeper into the lore, and enjoy much different things. At the time I think I mainly just liked Black Templars and Iron Warriors cause they looked cool, but now I'd prolly be roaming around as a Blood Angel, Raven Guard, Night Lord, or Word Bearer instead. I'd also appreciate the Eldar a lot more now that I actually understand what those units are.

[@allenwarfield]

There's such an unfortunate amount of these videos were I wish I could try these games before they died but I never heard of them

[@90s_Wizard]

What a lot of people forget or don't know about is the pre launch drama that was happening on the games forums. Basically players could vote on what space marine chapters could be added but there was blackmailing, vote manipulation, doxxing and bribes being done to get their favorite chapters in game.

[@Reneator]

a bit of a niche game, but maybe you could look into clicker heroes 2, one of the first incremental games that tried to go like full price, but failing spectacularily, leaving playsaurus' reputatio in shambles.

[@Eraiyna]

Oh god, Neatease getting their foot in a Warhammer 40k MMO? Sounds disgusting and I haven't even looked into it yet. I sincerely hope it'll come out as a good game but I doubt it.

[@nazgulsenpai]

The only time its not a good time to be a Warhammer fan is bath time.

[@UncleMommy13]

Dude this was easily my favorite warhammer game it was sooooooo much fun and i was legit sad af when you couldn’t find servers anymore 😭

[@wabajabatrektoe]

40k battlefront game sounds like a lot of fun. Rip

[@Rannos22]

I think you announcing this video is the first I heard of it since I saw it advertised in the back of a magazine almost 10 years ago

[@Darkness40k]

Appears you missed most important thing… I’m a 40K fan, a MMO fan, and a generally high invested gamer… and I’d not even heard of this game till your video!