Debate: Has the

Germaine Greer joins Melanie Phillips, Baroness Helena Kennedy and Sophie Walker to debate one of largest and the most important movements of the 21st Century. In association with the New York Times.
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[@nome2057]

Germaine and Melanie brave experienced true feminists who stand against politicly correct virtue signaling.

[@djanitatiana]

It must be excruciating to watch a movement you founded turn on you and vilify you as you watch it get corrupted and undo your work.

[@djanitatiana]

Saying that Greer trivialises rape is just more overblown rhetoric, Greer has always emphasised the damage actual sexual violence has to women and society. The difference between her and vacuous opponents appeal to victimhood is stark. The 'patronising' excuse doesn't wash, it is pathetic. You are right of course that the Muslim world will never be affected by Western Feminism any more than democracy could be brought to the ME. To say it's about condescending to Muslim women is laughable, Western feminists never stop patronising their Western sisters, and as an idealogical class, their inability to have any self perspective on their entitlement dooms them to constant condescenscion wherever they go.

[@uterushaver8309]

12:23: "Something like 90% of the offenses ... have been carried out by 6% of the men named." But if most of the other 94% of men were on women's side of the problem instead of colluding with the rapers in every way possible in order to dominate women, we wouldn't need feminism.

[@williamreynolds7194]

@@uterushaver8309 Plenty of men are serving prison terms for rape because other men PUT them there. As thinking men increasingly walk away from women, you are progressively getting the man-free existence you appear to desire.

[@stillmaticdon1941]

@@uterushaver8309 If feminism cared about equality and wanted to stop rape and sexual abuse against everyone instead of just women, then they would get more support. Rape and sexual abuse is wrong regardless of your gender.

[@lisaj2269]

Oh come on. They back up their arguments with outrageous anecdotes. Do you know how incredibly rare it would be that some guy would just break a woman’s jaw like that? Yet she cited it like this is a serious threat we all face.

[@heidiowen9415]

Sophie Walker sounds just like a left wing sociology student. Angry, man hating, ‘patriarchy’ obsessed, I wouldn’t vote for her if my life depended on it. She would set the women’s movement back a 100 years. Now Melanie, she gets my vote every time. Someone with absolute common sense, who observes, sees things as they are and has the courage to say so. And to say it eloquently.

[@Reem2013]

Melanie Phillips absolutely killed it, her points were on point. She deserves a standing ovation.

[@RamSadeh]

Totally!!!

[@eliza1826]

That snake jow?

[@MattSingh1]

*She's a ring-wing, bigoted scumbag. Much like her supporters*

[@williamh5780]

@@MattSingh1 ow, you typed it in bold, that must make it *really really really* true.

[@jayabhaumik5695]

@@MattSingh1 look into the mirror properly before commenting ... 🤔🤔🤔

[@AlexDeLarge77]

Melanie turns up the dial as her speech advances. She's a sledge hammer.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

No. She is an adult woman. What has Peter Gabriel to do with any of this? Are you a student of Post-modernism, I mean Derrida could be interesting but its rather passe at this historical juncture.

[@LOSTONITALL]

@@NothingHumanisAlientoMe You ruined a great song by being weird.

[@NothingHumanisAlientoMe]

@@LOSTONITALL being weird wrote that song

[@Wills_Duffy]

Melaine Phillips steps up and clarifies a very confusing issue. And, the audience votes for more confusion. God help us.

[@vivienlimose9172]

It wouldn't have mattered what Melanie said, it was a 'group think' those people, no matter what, would not change their view!

[@elliotthudson2946]

I was thinking the same thing I've watched this whole talk (they don't call it a debate because they don't believe in debating apparently, seems quite convenient) a few times and I can't understand why there's a shift in opinion in favour of #MeToo when all of the good points were made by the opposing side. The 2 Scottish women make up so much shit in this too it's silly.

[@elliotthudson2946]

I'm not bitter that's for lemons and lesbians, I can be fouled mouthed because I think it's funny (I did it in this case sarcastically in case that didn't come across). I'm not sure I have said anything misogynistic you might have to validate that otherwise you might seem even more regressive in that you're now labelling me to be something quite offensive without any evidence to based your opinion on. If I have said anything that proves I do indeed hate bitches then please present your bona fides. Corners are for squares, you won't catch me in a corner. I would suggest it might potentially be you who is the bitter one considering your correspondence so far to what was a quite tepid comment from me and was ultimately only my opinion.

[@spencershears6497]

Most of the audience was female. Not the gender known for intellectual scruples or ability to form logical thoughts as separate from 'feeling'. Yes, G-d help us, everyone.

[@bluewrenreilly129]

WillsDuffy, it was a Marxist Leftist audience majority that was what it was their Agenda is to destroy white Western Christian Civilization the Patriarchy and the family. Simple as that.

[@skbsn4x]

She talks about internet bullying a lot. Would she be surprised to know that the majority of cyber bullying is female to female?

[@aokusman6637]

The fourth speaker made a lot of outlandish claims but provided zero examples or any evidence.

[@Descorath]

Just like any other third wave feminist. They can't produce any examples or evidence because they know there is none, but as long as the outrage is strong enough they know they don't have to produce any.

[@pollysshore2539]

AOK Usman That’s the anti sex feminist way. Lots of hysteria, sensationalism and lies, and no facts to back it up

[@ooohlaa13]

well LOTS of evidence of blind hate and attack.

[@imaginativegirl126]

Watch any other appearance Sophie Walker has made like her interview with Jordan Peterson. She proves that she's facile-minded time and time again. But at least she is working to stop prostitution I guess.

[@tomg.1705]

Melanie Phillips rocks. She uses persuasive argumentation to expose the short-sightedness and hypocrisy of the left. She gets people to re-examine their commitment to viewpoints that are only arrived at by embracing the latest fad instead of using the intellect to weigh all viewpoints and arrive at a reasonable conclusion for ourselves. She is the thinking person's speaker, one who keeps us on track toward justice, which is what feminism is supposed to be all about. Well done Melanie!

[@anngent4775]

Well said Melanie Phillips! Sophie Walker just seems pissed off about everything.

[@philipmoss4027]

Melanie Phillips was the only speaker who came close to making a "case." It wasn't rock solid but she stuck to the subject and made three clear points. Greer was the least coherent, and the other two swung about left and right--making the subject men, feminism, the wage gap, sexual commodification, "patriarchy," race ...! Not helpful for anyone's understanding.

[@scatton61]

I understood Germaine well enough. Much to my surprise

[@pollysshore2539]

Philip Moss Greer is always the least coherent

[@ymtonemanlaer4088]

She calls herself a lawyer yet she advocates to lower the burden of proof because of gender pay gap and patriarchy. I wonder how she'd defend her sons knowing that the accuser is not required to provide evidence.

[@wespaul9345]

Her son's will be trans

[@rawroar842]

Astonishing what is happening to women. What a hate for their sons, brothers and fathers. Happy to see lives ruined on the say so of someone without evidence simply because the "victim" is female. We are forever hearing men should stand up against other men for their bad behaviour. How about women standing up against other women for their bad behaviour (or are women faultless). Until women start thinking critically and without the pack mentality this turmoil will continue and women will remain spoilt. Continue to treat all men as society as for the past 20 year and watch us all lose. Melanie Phillips - Great job.

[@cole4236]

Brilliantly said- Group ideology will be the death of the west!

[@angelwinter464]

And unfortunately, as Melanie said, it undermines the real issue of sexual abuse against women. You can't deny it exists to a large degree. It undermines the reality of a problem and makes women appear as spoilt victims - so when a real victim speaks up, they risk ending up looking like these other attention seeking, drama queens. That's what annoys me.

[@Rayblondie]

A lot of men are marrying Philipinos and the like who make good and faithful wives. This is not to say there are not any potential faithful wives around but lets face it there are a lot less now than there has ever been. This goes for men as well. We can only hope that the faithful marry the faithful.

[@gilliansernich9267]

'Women will remain spoilt'?!? You tipped your hand there mate.

[@skbsn4x]

How is she not demonizing men by saying they are guilty until proven innocent? and how they are the patriarchy to keep women down?

[@ZOA360]

Those who claim false accusations should be punishable the same way those who are proven to have done actually committed the crime

[@juliettesmoon]

I knew the me too movement had gone too far when the slogan “ believe all women” appeared. Melanie Phillips spot on

[@agunsux]

If only all the "angry feminist" listen to what Melanie Phillips said.

[@mgkos]

@@hopewonder jealous of what? Being younger? At this point in time? Really?

[@Snwman_]

I'm a man (age 53) and for what it's worth, tend to agree with Melanie and Germaine. For me Melanie made the most sense. I was raised by my mother and Grandmother, I have a sister. I've always treated women with respect. I've had many girlfriends ---many of whom chatted me up. I've had a few occasions when men have come on to me and I've had to politely explain 'No'. I've worked often with women and had many women bosses. Currently I work for a woman. It makes no difference to me. For sure I know that there are men out there that don't respect women, I don't associate with those types of men because I find they don't have anything interesting or intelligent to say either. Regards to whoever reads this.

[@josyjump]

Sn0wman _2064 well said!

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

Well put. The only men I feel safe around are so secure in their masculinity/ themselves that they treat women with respect. I am sick of men who try either to get approval or who gain ascendance by pouring thinly-veiled scorn on women. Masculinity and femininity are virtues that when left to operate with virtuosity are incredibly solid, reliable, creative and comforting. The current trend of 'transing' the sexes and denying their distinctiveness comes from a fear of what gender really is!

[@djanitatiana]

Couldn't agree more Annabelle. If we stopped demonising masculinity and instead valued men achieving more maturity, responsibility and self respect women would have a better pool of guys to choose from and be surrounded by. I found Melanie very inspiring (Im male) since she had respect for both sexes in equal measure, prepared to treat men with the same respect that she demanded from them. This is in sharp contrast to her opposition.

[@thisherecat4black397]

Greer is utterly incoherent in the first ten minutes. How to carry on?

[@AnnabelleJARankin]

Don't exaggerate, she stumbled. So will you when you're 79 years old - but you will have less to say. (You're grammar ain't that hot either!)

[@apocalypznow]

Sophie Walker is an insufferable ideologue constantly clamoring for recognition of her virtue with everything she says. She's not here to debate her peers or address the audience's questions at all, she's merely there for herself.

[@catscan2022]

She sounds like a very bitter man hater to me

[@omagosh5137]

Melanie is brilliant. The voice of common sense and hard cold facts.

[@jalijali8448]

Melanie Phillips said it all

[@fleurkus]

GqqJai R.Emmett h

[@noavocadoanymore]

as a human

[@RogerRiverson]

If they really wanted to have black women on the panel they should have given up their own seats.

[@henrygreer6555]

Is Rosa Parks still alive?

[@rachybaby72]

Henry Greer Is that your attempt at being funny?

[@Rayblondie]

Why have black women just for the sake of it? Why isn't there no transgenders or lesbians. You need women who can speak truth whether they be black or white or whatever, but don't put them on because of their colour etc.

[@ilm_seeker]

@@Rayblondie = I think the larger point he is making is that the "Me too" movement was started by an African American woman specifically addressing issues for African American women. The initial focus of the "Me too" movement was not about transgenders, lesbians, black, white or whatever, it was specifically about African American women who were abused yet were silenced and no one noticed or stood up for them. I believe this is why Roger said that they should have a black woman on the panel; meaning, a black woman, who could really speak to what the movement was really originally about and therefore get help for abused African American women as opposed to debating a nuanced argument that seems to pertain to predominantly Caucasian women and men.

[@andrewcarter7260]

I noticed the equal representation of genders on the stage. I notice the focus on justice for women but never for all. As much as it annoys me I agree with Germain Greer for a change. Why don't you want women to be responsible for their own choices.

[@sarahmonroe3096]

I don't understand the final vote :/ if nothing else, and if this is a debate, Melanie was the strongest person on the panel. She stayed on point, had clear and concise arguments and did not have any ad hominem blunders if I'm not mistaken. So, even if you don't agree with her arguments (even though I don't see how...) at least give her credit for a perfect "debate". That Sophie woman's claims and emotional outbursts were ridiculous and I was embarrassed for her. What about the question of "why are we prioritizing men's reputations when false claims rate is so low"? How stupid are those two women who asked that? How about because one day that man might be your husband or son, and it won't only be his life that is ruined, but yours as well, and you are a woman. So, who are you doing this for? How about...morality, ethics? I don't know, maybe I'm stupid and the one with a problem #confused

[@agatopol]

You are not stupid. Just the majority were very young women. I doubt they are married or have children. That's why they can't relate emotionally to Germaine Greer and Melanie Phillips' wisdom. Very sad :-(

[@xylezentry4568]

@Rayan ok. Its final. I know a few gals that had abortions. One n had seven. I'm older now and realize this is real life being murdered.

[@HoppyBunny.]

If Sophie Walker ever accused me of rape. Or any man, on the basis and definitions of Me Too for what accounts for rape and harassment , then I or any other men are done. Its the entire goal and overriding end game for Me Too. The ability to destroy a man's life with an accusation, period. Every argument for Me Too is a long despairing call for society and government to accept an accusation over evidence, to control what men say, believe, think or feel. Sophie is one of the most privileged white women in the world. Their entire solution is an ideology (feminism) which like most ideologies is convinced of two main things. 1. That they and they alone are qualified to define, determine and characterize the lived experiences of men more than the men who live them. 2. That they and only they are are have an exclusive monopoly on all higher ethics and morality. Its interesting that feminists like Sophie Walker has nothing to say when a man is discovered innocent after his life has been destroyed from a false rape accusation. Sophie's view of men singularly or collectively is based on the same feminist oversimplifications, rendering the entire male gender into a cartoon caricature where our only motivations are limited to rape, oppression, and abuse.

[@HoppyBunny.]

@@hopewonder Your presupposition is vastly incorrect, and has nothing to do with then issues as I presented as a rebuttal to the video. Your position is largely dependent on the same distorted logic as feminists in general and racist police officers.. on the whole. You don't link the criminal act with the person external to race as a causal and correlative factor, thereby criminalizing an entire race as guilty and prosecutorial on sight. There is a big difference between crime and crimilinzation. For you my "problematic behavior" extends from me not abdicating social legal and civil due process rights for men. Your inference is that no woman ever lies, and therefore every accusation doesn't require evidence. Based on how Me Too has been practiced, there have been more kangaroo court methodology which makes no effort to distinguish between high crimes, misdemeanors or ta consideration of innocent until proven guilty, or whether a man is capable of being innocent. Your faulty assessment relies on the fallacy of appointing fear as a reactionary impulse from which you then conclude can only come from a "sexist mindset." Its the classic, "Of course he has drugs in the nice car, he's black." And the proof he's guilty is he protests being racially profiled. Since you feel you know so much about me, please furnish a single account where I've defended a rapist proven to have raped. Please furnish a specific statement where I support rape. Please pint to anything in my initial comment that isn't specifically true in context with what I outlined. Please tell me how a woman who has been raped can less damaged for destroying the career and livelihood and reputation of a man who is actually innocent. or are you of the feminist mindset that even men who never committed rape should be destroyed to comfort the victim? Since you "already see my sexist mindset, these questions should be easy to answer

[@johnalister651]

Fabulous Melanie Phillips. Thank you for giving us some hope.

[@angelwinter464]

John Alister there are plenty of us who see the whole picture like that and don't hold a biased view - it's just that we aren't the ones shouting. Third wave feminism undermines equality and obscures the real issues, including sexual oppression and assault against women, it certainly does exist. But there is so much grey and many people are being black and white about it all.

[@nasussmith8839]

I salute you Melanie!!!! As a woman YOU SPEAK FOR ME!

[@Lokipower]

Anyone who uses the term "manspreading" is instantly disqualified as an ideologue.

[@pizzabinge]

So this is how liberty dies...with thunderous applause.

[@Hoops590]

lol

[@jamesmartingattuso9915]

I don't watch violent porn. What are you talking about?

[@manmaje3596]

info info what on Earth is violent porn? Sounds like you are alluding to snuff???? I bet you are single.

[@Rayblondie]

Marriage can die because of porn which is really mental adultery. Thank goodness there are still a lot of women and men around who want faithfulness in a marriage.

[@thumbprint7150]

@@bademoxy- watch your tongue! Other people are entitled to express their opinions without being verbally abused.

[@maryklw]

I agree wholeheartedly with Melanie Phillips!!!

[@eliza1826]

Ofc you would, you're deformed face jow

[@maryklw]

@@eliza1826 Huh?

[@Isotope387]

Me too

[@DilipMuralidaran]

The first rule of a debate is that you do not insult the subject of the debate. Regardless of where everyone stands on the topic, someone must tell Ms Sophie Walker this. Insulting the debate is not a productive thing to do.

[@delphi-moochymaker62]

The only question that I have for these feminists is, if it was proven that a woman filed a false complaint against a male co-worker, (he raped me with his eyes) and that he lost his job and suffered financial consequences, what consequences should the woman face that you would sanction? The answer you are looking for is none. That's why you can't be taken seriously.

[@Alysia_r]

Hard for anyone to answer your question when most reported REAL assaults go completely without consequence. No one is filing "he raped me with his eyes". Hardly any sexual assault case gets to court, even with enough evidence from rape kits. So stop fear-mongering, please. Also, false allegations make up less than 1% of all alleged assaults. You are only concerned with false allegations because you were never concerned for the victims of real assault in the first place.

[@ljohnson7124]

“We are all victims now” is the dark side of the me too movement. You may experience being a victim, but Identify as a victim and all you have is pissed. Identify as courage. Bravo Melanie and Germaine, you remind us how.

[@DavidWilliams-nb3cj]

Men would be well advised to stay away from "victims". To maintain victimhood, a feminist needs an oppressor. Usually it's an employer, the State, or the Patriarchy. Become involved with a Victim, and guess who becomes the oppressor?

[@LED-dj6oc]

Melanie is great. Spot on IMO.

[@willybiber3035]

Melanie Philips, a beacon of common sense and integrity.

[@nickwebb6702]

I only like this video because Melanie made perfect sense.

[@henzsol6771]

W/o of course you think that...she's hitting all the male talking points and almost painting a picture of men as delightfully benevolent boy scouts who are getting made to cry by mean mean women and children picking on them... It's clear she sympathizes with males more. You are a male, right? It's not that she makes sense...it's that she makes you feel comfortable and good. You are projecting your subjective experience onto her arguments. It's called externalizing. Her arguments(if you want to call them that) may or may not make sense, but you wouldn't know because you have not conducted (and I'll grant you the excuse that you might not have the capacity to) an objective in-depth analysis of her claims, statements, and suggestions. I'm not criticizing you...I'm just trying to help you gain some self awareness.

[@JohnDoe-mv6go]

@@henzsol6771 "an objective in-depth analysis of her claims, statements, and suggestions." Yes, and your bitter ravings against males prove you are the pillar of objectivity.

[@henzsol6771]

@@JohnDoe-mv6go um, can you give me an example of my "bitterness"? Can you give me one quote in which I am "bitterly raving" against men? I reread my comment myself and I see no evidence of the bitterness you claim I have, not did I at any point engage in a bigoted rant against all men... You are projecting a lot of your own biases onto me; but I am willing to consider your accusations if you can provide me some clear examples and an explanation as to how and why my words can be interpreted in such a way as to arrive at your accusatory conclusions. Assuming you're not a bot...

[@MisterWhat]

No, you`re certainly not criticizing anyone. That would require actual critical reasoning and not derrogative base cheap shots regarding someone`s genitalia and moronic presumptions. Instead, you could actually try to clarify in what way is Melanie is off-base. Especially considering how over 90% of the comments here from eiher gender all regard her action as the most clear-headed analysis of the whole four speakers. So, do please debunk the *point* without maskerading it as self awaress and without looking like a condescending patronizing twit.

[@fuckingSickOfCreepyG]

Greer and Phillips made that coven bearable.

[@richellelemon3137]

What i would like is a clear definition of "equality". And at the conclusion of this debate, i presume #MeToo will continue to be viewed as a joke on a soapbox because it continues to be all about ME. And what does ME usually want most of? Only to be right and the crowned winner. Now that's humanity at its worst.

[@aokusman6637]

Funny how they never ever actually site a real apples to apples situation where men are paid more than women. It’s always overpaid celebrities being used as examples.

How many people stop listening after 53:00...? Thank you Melanie, for the stern no-nonsense no-brainer straightforwardness.

[@andyiswonderful]

When are feminists going to stop lying about the pay gap? That has been repudiated hundreds of times, with numbers, by economists. Female economists. And yet Helena and Sophie trot out the same rubbish as if it is Gospel.

[@bluewolf76]

Melanie Philips nails it.

[@deborahkate1849]

Love Melanie's comment at the end.... she nailed it....

[@jimbob1277]

Just goes to show that #MeToo is as popular as ever. We all know where populism leads. It simply reflects the inability of the #MeToo sheep to look at he bigger picture and also to fail to recognise the selfish core of the whole campaign. The fact people can dismiss the real problem of implying that all men are now guilty simply because they are men just so they aren't seen to dismiss the claims of a single woman is incredible. It shows a massive shortsightedness that on this panel is only recognised by Germaine and Melanie - the two wisest women on the panel and it shows in spades.

[@manweller1]

Melania Philips throughout the years as been the rare voice of reason in a sea of emotion.

[@angelwinter464]

manweller1 as I just said to someone else, there are plenty of us women who can think reasonably and unemotionally about these things. It's just that we generally aren't the ones shouting.

[@Castitalus]

Melanie is amazing. I wish more feminists would catch on that its wrong to think "It's better to let ten innocent men go to jail than to let one guilty man roam free."

[@djrouken3047]

Four women discussing what men should be or do, with no male representation. yes, feminism is about equality.

[@wardandrew23412]

Melanie Phillips may well be the first feminist I've heard from that actually deserves my respect.

[@asaenvolk]

+Andrew Ward I can name a few more decent feminists for you if you want, but you are right in that they are rare.

[@bripat22]

I think she made the best points but was it because she confirmed all your views ? Or did she challenge you ?

[@unjadedrealist4416]

Andrew Ward as a black woman who is also a sexual harassment and rape survivor by multiple men of all races fuck your entitled "respect". We don't need it, don't want it. If I had it I would worry. A great female mind once said "If men like your brand of feminism you ain't doing it right." Keep your "respect" for your mannish looking female Uncle Tom.

[@juliusilori]

Unjaded Realist WOW!!!!....Raped by many men of ALL.RACES.!!?!!......Was ANY of these men prosecuted ??....

[@toughtaurus7270]

The fact that you're proclaiming, in cowardice behind your device's screen, that anyone should make themselves worthy of your respect shows nothing but the fact that you don't deserve any respect from anyone until you can demonstrate that you're a decent person.

[@RR-yh6le]

Melanie was brilliant, Sophie was ridiculous.

[@angelsrosena]

I totally agree when she said that while women are fighting so hard to protect each other, 99% of mothers prefer their sons than their daughters.... oops...

[@ezzony]

I though Melanie Phillips was spot on on every sentence. I though Sophie Walker was totally bombastic and hysterical to a point that it was rather comical to watch. Thanks for the entertainment Walker.

[@barriegray]

My ears are bleeding from listening to so many debunked stories, false statistics and asserted positions. Nothing worse than a debate where both sides are either lying or ignorant.

[@Rayblondie]

Melanie was the only one who made any sense. The last one was a bit of a bitch and thinks she can get points by being angry. Sounds like that scottish leader who talks a lot of rubbish.The Islamic rape is the biggest horror in this country which included torture and ongoing sexual abuse. It still goes on and May's government has been guilty of ignoring it. It appears they don't give a damn. Let's talk about the real evils in this country.

[@rBennich]

When has answering more questions at a time ever been less confusing than answering one at a time?

[@Thomas...191]

"male think" seriously wtf.... does she know how bad a concept that sounds?

[@jkjqu6805]

So sexist omg

[@jamesmartingattuso9915]

I know. ManThink - as if Germaine Greer was a giggling broad who couldn't think for herself. Sophie Walker, you are free from any danger of male interest. I guarantee it.

[@hannah60000]

I've also heard the converse frequently too. It comes from both side.

[@pokerprincess3013]

"Fight back preferably in a corset." 😂😂😂

[@Weaseldog2001]

The Baroness calls for a one size fits all punishment for all sexual trespasses, then later claims that no one is implying an equivalency.

[@martman123456]

You can "believe women" in the sense that we don't stigmatize those who claim sexual assault or rape, but not in the sense that it becomes a societal or legal standard of guilt.

[@skbsn4x]

If I had a dollar for every feminist who utters the words "while men continue to make all the main decisions" I'd be rich. LOL They have to rely on straw mans. It's ridiculous. Do we or do we not live in a free world where women can choose whatever they want to do in life? If they don't choose to be in politics then I'm okay with that because that's what they freely chose to do.

[@metrx330]

As a gay man my love for Melanie grows and grows. I really look up to her.

[@lancewalker2595]

55:50, does anyone care to elaborate on what she means by this? Yes the internet was built BY men, but FOR men? Is she implying that the internet would somehow look different had it been built by women? Cause, uh, how is that not sexist?

[@bripat22]

Sophie Walker trying to get a party political broadcast in for her "party"

[@Fran330]

I know it's more than one year old , yet more topical than ever. Very rich and very respectful contradictory debate (unlike vain and agressive battles on TV shows). Thank you very much !

[@simonleawrightart]

I am a man , a warrior , a lover , a carer , a worker , an artist and a friend to women. I was bullied by a gang of girls in my teens which was more difficult than you might imagine . I was mistakenly accused of stalking a friend of a friends girlfriend in my late thirties which led to a loss of social contact with some of my friends for many months. I believe myself to be softly spoken and kind as I can be . I hold doors open and stand up when anyone enters a room. I try my best to be civil and understanding. I have made allowances for women with server P.M.T in some of my previous shared housing situations for severely horrible behaviour beyond belief. I am happy that today that women can vote and become educated in the same way as men. Women can be horrible towards men and visa versa i've seen and experienced it throughout my 47 years and its not nice from either side . I believe that we are making progress towards equality and understanding but please stop these unfounded notions about 'The patriarchy' and man as the oppressor lest you are hoping that it will soon be women to take the oppressive role . To play the role of victim in any discussion is disempowering and will ultimately lead to those with really serious concerns being disregarded or mistrusted and by that I mean both men and women...

[@wespaul9345]

I'm sure it's true and look at all the support you got.

[@sacredsoma]

Sophie Walker, the most irrelevant speaker, so weak

[@milels6917]

Thank God for the intelligence of this level headed woman Malian Philip get over your self ladies and do something about it yes it is bad men and women are victims We have gone to far I always knew how to put men down if I wasn't interested do it In intelligent and genital way but it's when they use their physical strength it goes over the red line lifting the knee was my older sister told me about worked for me in a critical moment But what about the disabled woman poor mental health that is we women need to care for each other xx

[@happinesstan]

Not true. Her bullshit, disguised in powerful rhetoric, won the debate. Evidentially weak, yes. But far from irrelevant.

[@stig5154]

,’Does my conscience look big in this’ Melanie Philips

[@mistressofstones]

I'm over 40 and I've been paying a lot of attention to what young people are on about lately. I think the norms have changed, a lot of behaviours we used to think we're ok are no longer tolerated, sexual offences are seen as more important etc. women are no longer being gaslit about their responses to these being out of proportion, our trauma is now understood. NOW.... I'm not sure how some of these things are going to work out, some of these things don't make sense to me. But I believe in the young people and the commitment to higher standards of behaviour they are standing up for. I think in the end some great outcomes will be achieved, but there will be birthing pains. Germains point about raaapes on college campasses being perpetrated by 6% of male students is the kind of info that could bring women and men together and bring proportionality into the conversation. All men are not rapists.

[@gift6117]

There is nothing cheerful or brave about a simple tweet without naming names so we can put those people away.

[@delstone5736]

Men and women are equal... Kennedy says a woman had her jaw broken when calling out a man fondling her... Lesson? They are not equal. Stop rejecting reality.

[@andreamartinez2893]

This debate should have more views. Melanie Philips is splendid.

[@hydroconscious]

Melanie Philips is the best speaker. Germaine Greer is super vague and I really hoped she made her argument clearer. t Helena Kennedy made clear arguments (albeit not very good) but sophie walker was so bad.

[@wimjimjams]

'Has the #MeToo Movement Gone Too Far?' Asked to an audience of women. It was only going to end one way.

[@StitchMeAwkward]

Asked to an audience of women of different ages and generations and experiences. And there were men in the audience too.

[@khemlar4988]

except all the stuff there agasint are illegal and its the victims fault for not reporting it and letting it continue. also men are just as likely to be sexually assaulted but its way less reported as people will make fun and laugh at them or dont belive them.

[@Grace0724]

Where is the evidence for this? How can you be so sure?

[@esterviana7823]

Please google the meaning the debate child

[@thumbprint7150]

@@khemlar4988- wow, what a grab bag of assertions without proof with victim blaming thrown in.

[@gilliansernich9267]

Well done Melanie. But Bravo Sophie! You tell many truths. You are angry and 'strident', that one thing men especially loathe. Keep being angry and strident. I am 68, and I am so proud that you continue to say what smart women have been saying for all of my life. Just bloody Bravo!

[@niggle6425]

Melanie wins hands down

[@melissabennett1168]

I love you Melanie, you are my kind of feminist

[@Rayblondie]

Melanie stands out from the rest with her truth and boldness. The others have their speel but when Melanie speaks she is far more nearer to the truth.

[@s7s7Joy]

I completely dislike the way Sophie Walker spoke in this debate; not just at the podium but especially what she said to the man who posed the very innocent and FAIR question at the end, "What do ladies plan to do with men? What is our future?" It was an honest question to find out where all men stand in relation to women and how we interact with women in general or even how we SHOULD interact with them. Because NOT every man out there in the world has sexually assaulted women, made passes at women, catcalled women, or used their power to bully women into inappropriate behavior just so women could get ahead. And while it is NOT FAIR that this has happened and sadly continues to happen to women; and I am truly sorry that women are still being victimized in these various occurrences, it is ALSO NOT FAIR to lump all men as the enemy, the problem, the disease of the world, as sexual deviants and as predators. I don't particularly care how "nicely" she intended to address that man. She failed. It's in how you say things and what words you use that color the overall meaning of the message she was attempting to convey. Sophie Walker's answer was very cold, punitive, and really one sided that spoke, "ALL MEN ARE THE PROBLEM!" She didn't even have to use those exact words to imply that. It's how she said it and that fact that she has already given the impression at the podium that she is very narrow-minded and one sided in her thinking. And with a topic dealing with the #MeToo movement, you CANNOT just be one sided in the argument without coming off as the least little bit fanatical and militant. You have to examine BOTH sides of the argument for both genders to establish and come to a common ground and understanding on this topic. I don't know if something horrible happened in Sophie's past to have influenced her in adapting such intrinsically radical convictions, and if there was trauma or abuse imposed on her in the past; I am deeply sorry that happened to her and it absolutely shouldn't have. Nevertheless, not everyone is going to find her convictions palatable or be able to adapt to them. She is another reason why I have an issue with feminists, because that movement can be SO easily radicalized and taken to extremes.

[@angelhead4096]

I was suprised to read that she is married, to some council CEO, so one can only assume that he (a) is a bastard (b) beats her (c) rapes her every night (d) oppresses her, etc, and that is the reason why she hates men so passionately. She always seems like a really bitter person, who could benefit from a good course of therapy to work through her issues. I am a woman and most women don't think like her. I agreed with Melanie Philips and thought she was the best speaker.

[@candycatlara536]

Melanie won my vote.

[@Rayblondie]

Melanie got my vote easily. Way ahead of the others.

[@henrygreer6555]

I agree. As I suggested to that chap down there, Rosa Parks would not have stood for that. We must continue the struggle against Feminist Panel Racial Segregation.

[@djanitatiana]

Helena Kennedy typifies today's feminist so completely today when she is completely happy to peddle Rotheram for her argument but refuses to apportion the true cause because ideology. Contrast that to Greer, a 2nd wave, who authentically calls for a solution that can at least reduce harm and start to cut the Gordian not. Kennedy felt like she was presenting her resume of virtue, deconstruct that and all you're left with is narcissism. Edit: Having watched Sophie it's fascinating to compare 2nd w 3rd wave. It appears that reason and argument is now to avoided and the strength of a presentation is purely on virtue signal count multiplied by the catastrophising of any given issue. Essentially she gave a political speech empty rhetoric, no policy, loud emotive posturing with no specificity, chock full of fallacy an devoid of any argument construction.

[@kato2493]

“I’am Spartacus” in that accent is hilarious 😂

[@aliboyaliman6207]

Melanie Philips. I've disagreed with her in the past. She can be TOO socially conservative, while I think 'let and let live as long as no one is being hurt'. But here, she is brilliant. Those new feminists (in name only, they're actually misandrists) are a disgrace.

[@YorickReturns]

The whole of society has become a gynocentric echo chamber. Meanwhile, men are checking out of society. Cue collapsing birth rates, collapsing marriage rates, collapsing tax revenue, collapsing economic growth.

[@mariogiresi6792]

I guess this is why there are more self-employed men than ever before; they just don’t want to deal with the office anymore with all it’s politics and restrictions, and most of all, false accusations.

[@pokerprincess3013]

Why should the everyday woman with real job suffer for models who sold sexual images in magazines. We dont live that glamorous life where we can afford to fight unwanted sexual harrassment.

[@deborahkate1849]

melanie phillips you are great! you are sober, you

[@theblankslate8324]

Thank you, Sophie, for reminding me of why I'm not a feminist.

[@ruthmarshall1879]

What about the injustice for Father’s who wish to see their children after a separation or divorce but are systemically treated as second citizens, even when Mom is incompetent, disturbed, or lying. I AM a mother, so I do not come from a bias, but see the continuum within the courts to put Mother’s priority even when a loving and capable Father is stripped of his rights. As far as the Me Too movement, Professor McDonald says it best !!

[@nicholas1254]

Is the Baroness running for something? Didn't think she would need to be elected for anything.

[@Lucas-pe6fg]

the moderator kept handing most questions to the pro me too side and ignored (for the most part) Dr. Greer and Ms. Phillips

[@alejandramoreno6625]

what I don't like about #metoo is that paints women as helpless victims with no agency, instead of empowering women to stand up for themselves and make their wishes known. The same with domestic violence. I understand how difficult it is to leave an abusive relationship, but instead of telling women constantly that they are victims and there is nothing to be done, we should teach young women to pick better partners, be independent and identify red flags. Sadly, many women who have been in abusive relationships have a pattern, and many other women willingly get into relationships with men who have a history of being abusive, because they think they it will be different with them. Let's start with changing ourselves, and stop rewarding appalling behaviour from men.

[@frankwiersma7980]

This arguing from anger is not very persuasive. We are all human, it is not men against women or black against white. It is some men behaving badly and society as a whole putting a stop to this.

[@freyaastrella]

Melanie has the fem vote from me

[@skbsn4x]

It's soooo ironic that we live in a world and are actually having a debate about how women can simply claim rape and she has to be believed. I mean, is it not funny that we are having a conversation about this? These women are talking about how bad women have it when the subject is literally about how women have the power of "proving men guilty until proven innocent". Lastly, the girl who had the question about a boss reaching up her skirt... Well, first off notify authorities like a normal person and second... you should probably not get a job in a place that finds that behavior acceptable. The way women talk about this subject has obviously spilled over into the mind of the youth. Like who goes around reaching up women's skirts and what women thinks her boss is gonna reach up her skirt and she's not gonna know what to do about it.. my goodness.

[@stonedNcreepy]

1:33:32 YES MA'AM! Finally, someone says it! WE have to stop seperating OURSELVES from each other. We as women. "It's that we don't like each other. How can we care more for our sisters? How can we build the same kind of resistent social structures that men build?"

[@trintapinto2624]

Sophie Walker was trapped in her house by her handicapped daughter. How inconvenient......Poor kid.

[@Sardinianheart]

1:28:40 Melanie, thank you so much. as a mother of three boys it isn't easy to raise them to be men of honour, valor and courage when they are being fed guilt from our society because it is thought that boys are inherently toxic rapists. My second son i 7 years old. During his first grade, his best mate was surrounded during break by three girls and slapped. Why? For absolutely no reason!!!!! Nothing happened, no outrage, no class meetings, no anti-violence classes for the girls who were simply told by the teacher not to do that again, which was the most reasonable thing to do. However, I can't help but wonder what would have happened if even just one or two boys had done the same to one girl.

[@moonpie7982]

Toxic mothers who refuse to hold their sons accountable are literally the enablers to this behaviour. You seem like a prime example of such women.

[@Tang0Fox1]

Melanie Philips seemed to wipe the floor with a rational well researched argument.

[@moonpie7982]

If being a pick me is a “well research argument” lmao at her age it’s embarassing

[@Sardinianheart]

The last speaker was already making me cringe throughout the sad sad display that her rant was, but it was her last quote, implying that #metoo means "I am Spartacus" that ultimately made my stomach turn completely!!! Well done Melanie as well as the lady with short hair.

[@zthechainz]

I hate the mundane introductions. The Royal Institute channel doesn't have them, it just gets right into the discussions. Utter waste of time.

[@bripat22]

Melanie looks like she is barely tolerating Germaine's ramblings

[@michaelterry1000]

Taking a poll before a debate and comparing that poll to a poll taken after the debate has little value. The results can be easily skewed by those who will simply lie in the first poll in order to get the desired change when compared to the second poll.