Debunking Omni-Man vs Bardock Death Battle!

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

Death Battle: Omni Man scales to the Disc so he is star level Also Omni Man: Needed to destroy a planet along with two other Viltrumites and a destabilized core along with it, meanwhile Bardock scales to King Vegeta, who casually blew three planets with a wave

[@jameslight4391]

never mind lamo

[@miyahdon7057]

@@jameslight4391 not the point.

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

@@jameslight4391 Does not matter as Bardock scales much higher still

[@Jsipki265]

@@jameslight4391 1. That doesn’t matter they would’ve died if not for space racer and nolan didn’t do it alone 2. Vaporizing multiple earth size planets ( those planets could be bigger ) is more impressive than what nolan did

[@jameslight4391]

@@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375 true but I have seen people say the planet was bigger than earth so he should still be planet level

[@X02Overdose]

Giving Bardock Super Saiyan and STILL having him lose is nasty work

[@jameslight4391]

It was smart now they are getting free exposure are more views and comments. The algorithm loves that. I think they have a thing against DBZ I could be wrong

[@thelordofthewest7781]

​@jameslight4391 you just wrong

[@X02Overdose]

@@jameslight4391 They definitely do, and ya it’s pretty obvious they make certain characters lose battles to garner views

[@ashuraomega1000]

Especially since the version of Bardock that attained Super Saiyan literally survived an attack that sent him hundreds of years into the past in BASE form. Really weird how they didn't bring that up

[@X02Overdose]

@@thelordofthewest7781 How

[@wasaba1498]

Pleeeease BASE Bardock I NEED THIS!

[@tbalpha2295]

you’re kind of too strong

[@kiroz8340]

My fans are struggling to back me up

[@Gogetassg4]

I need to prove them right

[@thedude1302]

Yo why you tryna not to laugh I'm watching your stream right now. That's mad disrespectful bruh

[@Devy633]

@@thedude1302stop laughing you monkey 🙈 -Frieza

[@ashuraomega1000]

You know it's bad when even someone as chill as Lonk is debunking your scaling 💀

[@shfhsvomvolakis2318]

you know it's bad when even a person like me that thinks that dragon ball verse isn't that strong overal in fiction found this vs realy bad.

[@Bardocks_Fig_Collection]

​@@shfhsvomvolakis2318lol also *really

[@Gum327]

They're pretty strong there's just stronger stuff out there​@@shfhsvomvolakis2318

[@dangerousdays2052]

Stay mad that yaboi Bardock is a weakling. He coudln't even beat a half dead fish man. He's garbo loool. 😂😂

[@whoknows5804]

@@dangerousdays2052did you even watch the video 💀 you’re literally biased (also no way your comment got a like within the first minute of you commenting this so that mean you must like your own comments 🤣)

[@yoshuashan6640]

honestly the worst part of debunking or stating facts against Death Battle is they dont ever acknowledge their mistake and will tell you that you are wrong just because

[@LukeTansiongco]

They're just basically fast food in the form if powerscaling. It's gonna satisfy the avg viewer, but will leave a bitter taste to a more dedicated powerscaler

[@irrelevant739]

They used to do qna casts and they're doing that in the next one for this episode

[@IWantAChocolate]

​@@LukeTansiongco im not a dedicated powerscaler nor a glazer of either side and i still think omni should have gotten his shit wrecked

[@TotallyNotThatOneGuy]

Yeah that's why they lost my subscribe. After the bullshit scaling they've always done, I got sick of it. They always jerk off the character they want to win and ignore important feats for the other character.

[@irrelevant739]

@@TotallyNotThatOneGuy judging by how they talked about the characters it sounded like they preferred Bardock

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

"save the Dragon Ball society, Lonks takes"

[@alemations8479]

This is the best comment

[@UltraPickleMan]

🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@imaginehimhappy]

We didn't need saving that bad, I'm pretty sure all of us knew Bardock slams, this isn't death battle's first controversial and outright wrong death battle

[@Skeloperch]

@@imaginehimhappy DIO vs Alucard. Raven vs Phoenix. Toph vs Gaara. Scout vs Tracer. Etc etc. Death Battle is honestly close to 50/50 in terms of being correct. They're barely better than a coin flip.

[@Randomname2324ah]

Fr gaara slams toph​@@Skeloperch

[@Jsipki265]

Not only did they had sketchy scaling, but also the info for the bar graph they had made no sense😂 good vid

[@Mobius-ow7id]

This was a cash grab plain and simple. These debunks and reviews bring more views and clicks for their stuff.

[@1wa83n]

​@@Mobius-ow7idhonestly it's actually embarrassing that they are all grown men working in a studio to produce this trash I'd be ashamed if I was a woman and married to one of these useless flabby piece of shit😂😂😂

[@francisco65372]

@@Mobius-ow7id You could argue the same for these debunks and reviews

[@lonkstakes]

@@francisco65372 To be 100% I only made this because multiple people asked me too completely umprompted

[@Jsipki265]

@@Mobius-ow7id I’m pretty sure the goal was to never demonize them bro just correct their research we’re not witchhunting them.

[@Goji-C]

I feel like death battle intentionally fumbled this matchup for engagement because like how do you mess up such a simple matchup

[@lonkstakes]

Aye all publicity is good publicity

[@Mr.Anonymous342]

​@@lonkstakes That's what I'm getting at.

[@OmegaX-Jr]

For the Last time İt isnt for publicity nor anything sinister:They gave you the results, you ungreatfull bicthes doesnt like the results and start an war over it and for what? Just because the one you wanted doesnt win? Y'all need to be more mature than that

[@davidarredondo2017]

Really feels that way

[@BrandonScott-mi5pz]

EXCELLENT WORK. LONK'S TAKES DRAGON BALL VS INVINCIBLE OMNI-MAN VS BARDOCK DEBUNKING

[@shadows_bloodedge_78]

I saw someone comment, "This fight must've been sponsored by the frezia force," 😂 but i do believe bardock should've won, and they messed up the scaling badly for omni-man. At this point, i wouldn't be surprised if death battle did turles vs general zod 💀💀

[@ScienceDrummer]

This is as bad as Ben 10 vs Green Lantern

[@jerryborjon]

@@ScienceDrummer - Green Lantern won because he’s so much faster than any of Ben’s aliens, including Alien X. He’s fast enough to cut the Omnitrix off before it has a chance to initiate any of it’s defense features. It also doesn’t matter if Alien X has the Sotobro effect, since he’s not fast enough to stop GL from going back in time.

[@helljumper2565]

@@jerryborjonhe is definitely not fast enough to cut off the omnitrix, it’s defense is literally instant

[@sleepninja2350]

@@jerryborjon huh? Who told u GL is faster than an omnipotent god? Or faster than a watch that react to and contain the Big Bang without harming its user?

[@FluppietheRockruffFan]

@@jerryborjon Alien X's species legit can do anything, like change the artstlye of the Ben 10 universe canonically(which kinda means they break the 4th wall too) and even then Alien X is the 3RD, LET ME REPEAT, 3RD STRONGEST ALIEN IN THE OMNITRIX.

[@britishnarrator6961]

This puts the Dragon Ball Death Battle record at: Saiyans : 2 wins, 8 losses Non-Saiyans, : 6 wins, 0 losses Really makes you Think.

[@massoik4411]

I mean, buu lost

[@mattcurnell2545]

@@massoik4411 buu isn't a saiyan so that doesn't prove your point

[@massoik4411]

@@mattcurnell2545 that's the point, non-saiyans do have losses

[@Mdaviz-xw2oj]

​@@massoik44111 lose 💀

[@Mdaviz-xw2oj]

​@@massoik4411DB is just racist against Saiyans at this point

[@thechadlordboros]

They put Omni Man at billions of times faster than light and Bardock at trillions of times faster than light. Do they not realize how much of a difference that is? There’s 1000 billion in 1 trillion. By their own scaling Omni Man shouldn’t have even been able to hit Bardock. It’s like saying a guy walking at 1 mph can tag a fighter jet going at 1000 mph. Edit: i just did the math with the numbers they gave. In base Bardock would be 4,750 times faster and in SSJ he would be 23,750 times faster jesus it’s over kill. 😂

[@OmegaX-Jr]

Death battle dont really does the 'speedblitz' thing you People really like, they consider the characters raw power and experince too (Whats the point of being faster if your opponent is already an better fighter then you?)

[@MAD-kn3rb]

@@OmegaX-Jrbardock is also stronger so what’s the excuse now?

[@doohickeyhandy758]

@@OmegaX-Jr I don't understand that point, since you have to consider other factors, but in a vacuum, what's the point of being a better fighter if your opponent is a thousand times faster than you and can pull 100 attacks out in the same time it takes for you to blink? of course, in alot of cases speed is irrelevant with drastic OTHER stat differences, like if you take into account splat factor in the case where Omni-Man's the faster one, it just means every punch Omni-Man lands will fucking hurt HIM more than it does Bardock.

[@thechadlordboros]

@@OmegaX-Jr because you can’t just ignore speed to make your favorite character win lmao that’s just clear bias. Power and strength don’t mean a thing if you can’t even touch your opponent.

[@aereiq]

@@MAD-kn3rb Not entirely. You see, Viltrumite's body seems to have few trump cards. FIrst of all, they dont get tired like normal species does... Body dont produce toxics that would cause muscle fatigue and they can fight and grow stronger even when they are thousand years old. Second, they have decent regeneration power that allows them recover almost any damage as long brain and heart is intact long enough to start healing. Third, Viltrumites have power to power up by absorbing energy from conflicts and making them stronger and stronger when they fight strong enemies. Kinda like Saiyan's zenkai without need of getting lethal wound. In other words, even if Bardock was stronger, Omniman could get on par if not even above if he takes enough damage and energy without receiving finishing blow. And when super saiyan came into play, omniman most likely was able take part of that energy that was exhausted from Bardock's body and get even more powerful.

[@bigyoshi5170]

“YOUR TIME IS UP…SAIYAAAAAAAA-“ -Omni-Man *Bardock catches Omni-Man’s fist* “But can you block?” -Bardock “Ah fu-“ -Omni-Man *Bardock then atomised Omni-Man with his pinky finger*

[@myusername3689]

If Bardock even touches Omni Man while Omni Man is moving at full speed, it's over. The splat factor against Omni Man is way too high.

[@Bardocks_Fig_Collection]

​@@myusername3689what💀

[@lavenderblitzgold5435]

@@Bardocks_Fig_CollectionThey mean that Omni Man’s body would just splatter when coming into contact with Bardock because he’s just that Durable in comparison

[@dangerousdays2052]

Literally not true. Bardock can't even beat a half dead fish guy and got one-shotted 3 times in his own TV special lool. Cope harder Karen, Bardok is a literal weakling. 😂😂

[@Bardocks_Fig_Collection]

@@dangerousdays2052 bro what😭

[@TheOneAndOnlyZN]

Finally someone actually did a good debunk, I think the most damning evidence is the fact that they explicitly say during the planet busting feat that if they mess it up they could straight up die and you're the first person I've seen bring it up. Kutos!

[@mr.pompodill1485]

I knew they were wrong about the conclusion, but I didn't know they were THAT wrong. Cool video.

[@opadrip]

If at any point they do Gohan vs Invincible, i guarantee they would find a way to make Mark win.

[@massoik4411]

They about to pull a "Gohan doesn't scale to the god forms + Invincible upscales spawn"

[@Jsipki265]

@@massoik4411😭😭😭 you’re writing their script for them

[@sepphix8510]

​@@massoik4411That Spawn argument is horrid 😂. The most low hanging fruit an invincible fan can try to pick and it can be debunked instantly as well.

[@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato]

If your having to use another verse to prove your point, you likely dont have much of one Besides no way of proving the invincible version of spawn even scales to the main spawn universe Its low effort scaling, The invincible version of spawn barely has any feats

[@sepphix8510]

@@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato Keep in mind thousands of Spawns existed throughout time. The upper echelon was planetary, but only three ( Omega Spawn, Jim Downings and the goat Al Simmons) reach those very high tiers of power.

[@arborist3227]

Thank you my man. You’re the most reasonable debunker for this verdict I’ve seen so far. I hope Death Battle takes note of this and improves in the future, but for now take this like. You earned it 👍

[@rednaxela5960]

They never do. There are many fights where the outcome is clear and obvious, so you go in knowing whos gonna win (misaka vs killua, asta vs deku, natsu vs ace, excalibur vs raiden, there are a ton of them where its guy with powers vs guy who has that same power and does it 100x better) and then there are matches where the outcome is seemingly obvious but they somehow mess it up, such as ben 10 vs hal jordan, or this. I normally chalk it up to "eh, who cares, for serious scaling im not watching death battle anyway, I watch it for the sprite fights" but this was actually so egregious and def one of if not the most controversial videos theyve dropped. The scaling will go back to being questionable, but every so often theyre gonna drop something insanely controversial to spark up more interest.

[@serraramayfield9230]

@@rednaxela5960 I s2g if they ever do Ori vs The Knight (Hollow Knight) I'm going to issue a debunk simply because it's impossible to scale the characters to each other

[@tristysstuff6664]

Thing I don't like about death battle is how they present themselves like these professional dudes, but them saying dumb stuff that if you're just paying attention to the video you could notice right off the bat. The fight should have been a stomp the moment they said Bardock's speed was in the trillions and Omni man's was in the billions. It's like they just toss around impressive looking numbers do they know how much more trillion is to billion? If Bardock can even REMOTELY damage Omni man by this logic he's cooking him in seconds. Imagine trying to get an olympic medalist to fight an 8 year old that's 1000 times faster than them.

[@frozezone2947]

They're more professional then any other vs wiki sites

[@Jsipki265]

@@frozezone2947oh yeah have a bar that says 9 billion being higher than a bar that says 2 trillion screams professionalism.

[@tonyslicer7399]

Yeah but they did first before anyone really now everyone people still talking about them and worked have people click more there videos agree or not

[@LyneaSilver]

@@Jsipki265 Them being "professional" simply means they do it as a profession. As in, they are paid to do it. The fact that they are paid to do it is the implication that'll be done well, but that is by no means guaranteed, nor is it in any other profession.

[@hm9934]

@@frozezone2947 bro never heard of vs battles wiki

[@judie6727]

Same old death battle, where we question who the hell the researchers are and where they are getting their information.

[@johnmihelis1699]

It's not even a matter or research or information. By the numbers THEY already provided, it was clear that Bardock should win.

[@Vertindex]

Based on who would get the most engagement losing

[@KyuuKyuubi]

@@Vertindexthey did this on purpose and same with goku

[@Sorain1]

@@johnmihelis1699 Yeah. If Bardock can do any meaningful damage at all, Omniman's lack of speed does him in 98 times out of 100. It's an unfortunate fact about speed that any sufficient gap basically decides a conflict. Akin to 'regenerates vs non-regenerator' in terms of how absolutely one sided the results tend to be.

[@manic_8620]

But they always try to deliver (atleast in recent episodes) an awesome fight with fire ass music, and we are left with leftover discourse for the road😊

[@remercer6078]

Them refusing to divide the Viltrum feat is even worse when taking into account Sauron vs Lich King. In that episode they DO divide a feat for the Lich King, despite the characters involved in it varying in power level. And that's not even getting into the math errors involved in their interpretation of that feat.

[@BladeValant546]

Sauron still stomps because sauron is op as heck. But their weird ignoring feats is strange

[@wolfzeru5745]

Sauron is too op, but yeah, Death Battle scaling is bs

[@Skill-Issue-Ent]

It's like that "Superman lifted The Book of Infinite Pages" calc, they gave that WHOLE feat to him and excluded the help he had...I've even had debates where people USED Death Battle's videos as actual evidence. You cannot make this shit up...

[@m00t53]

They really didn't have to. Omniman tanked an exploding planet more than 10x the size of planet Vegeta with nary a scratch while Bardock was turned to nothing by a low level attack that obliterated planet Vegeta which is, again, more than 10x smaller than Viltrum. Even if they did divide that feat by 3 Omniman would still be massively more durable than Bardock.

[@TrixyTrixter]

@@Skill-Issue-Ent the problem here is it does not mater if you split it. You could split the feat between 1000 people and each one still has to lift an infinite amount of weight since infinite divided by anything is still infinity.

[@_Dio_Brando_69]

Their justification for Omni-man's win was his adaptability, but adaptability has never been a justification for a character winning against another who had better feats in official material... I mean, look at Saitama.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

They really said "Omni Man has better adaptability" when _Kid Goku_ from OG Dragon Ball was learning techniques that took martial arts masters 50 years to perfect after just one showing. Now scale that up to Bardock outscaling and beating Gas throughout the course of a _single fight._ What adaptability?

[@Skivv5]

you can't adapt to getting fucking exploded

[@keithflippers4429]

​@christiancinnabars1402 my theory is they did this on purpose to stir up a reaction for the lols

[@trolledfordrip]

i mean saitama was fighting a cartoon that attacked someone irl in the lore he was not beating pop eye

[@bringiton4drago371]

Didn't they say it was the smart atoms and not his adaptability?

[@Elmo9001]

"We can tell that Nolan must be able to tank the laser from this ship, because the Coalition of Planets were seeking weapons that could harm Viltrumites, which means that they must not have had any weapons that could harm Viltrumites!" That's... that's not even remotely a logical deduction. If I have one weapon that can harm Viltrumites, and I'm going to war with them, OF COURSE I'm going to seek more of them.

[@DragonBall86]

"I have a Shotgun, I'm sure I could beat an entire country without weapons" - Death Battle, probably.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

@DragonBall86 More like, "I have a shotgun, I'm sure I could beat an entire country fully armed to the teeth with shotguns."

[@sonomni]

@@DragonBall86 Farmer with a Shotgun? That you? XD

[@DragonBall86]

@@sonomni Lmao, I didn't even realize I made that reference ngl.

[@undeadinside3571]

"I only needed help from 1 person to blow up a planet (goku), so i must be stronger than omni man" -death battle, probably

[@Mr.Anonymous342]

Can't wait for Son Gohan vs Invincible.

[@lonkstakes]

Are they doing that? Cuz I did already make that video haha

[@randomuser.5356]

@@lonkstakes They said they're not interested in making it

[@songohan1238]

they prob make me lose anyway somehow

[@ALX654]

Watch them downplay Gohan to planet level and make Invincible like Outerversal

[@123GOHANZ]

Invincible scales to a version of himself that beat Spawn therefore Gohan gets wrecked Or some BS like that to justify why Gohan doesn’t uber-mega stomps

[@justsomeguywholovesberserk6375]

PIN THIS DEBUNKING THIS The Planetary Feat: Omni Man had to perform this feat with two other Viltrumites, and the Core had to be destabilized and weakned for that to happen, so not only is the feat weaker than it actually is, but Omni Man cannit destroy it by himself, meanwhile Bardock scales to King Vegeta, who obliterated three planets (Calculated at Large Planet - Dwarf Star Level) and that was just base Bardock, adding SSJ on top of that would have made him Small Star Level Sun Disc Feat: This is contradicted by the fact that Omni Man was stomped by Thragg (Who was killed by the surface of the Sun) a Star Level character wouldn't have died on the Sun and worse Omni Man doubted he can even break the Planet(when he had two others along with him), so this FEAT IS IRRELEVANT Black Hole feat: Omni Man was contemplating on ending it in a black hole (So he is nowhere near as durable as a Black Hole) OVERALL: Bardock stomps and it's not even close

[@MasterRyoSakurai]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@robomuffin1386]

.... thats not how black holes work.... due to how Omni Man works a black hole is the one thing that counters his power....

[@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato]

Fans wanna high ball the black hole thing Ignoring the whole context of the scene was that he was about to use the black hole to end himself

[@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato]

Tbf about thragg dying to the sun Cooler also did

[@chrispy_091]

Goku has universes of power and gets injured by bullets and laser beams. Since Bardock is weaker than Goku was when a laser almost killed him, this means Bardock is weak to paper cuts and breathing in general.

[@Ironcorgi2]

The fact a power level of 10,000 can wipe out three planets with ease and bardock has like 50 times that much power. No villtrimite has that much power

[@HyperAnimationsYT]

Hey, thank you for bringing up my solar disk calc. I do wanna point out that i made severe errors due to sleep deprivation, but i will be posting an updated recalc using corrected methods

[@botbot3054]

0:14 oh hey it's me anyway. i love hearing your takes great video

[@BCCSquidward]

This felt like Vader VS Obito all over again. 💀

[@rosadomeso]

Also like Gaara Vs Toph

[@enowmessi2844]

Cope more😂😂

[@SkyRider4815]

Aizen vs madara

[@Meepie_Playz]

Nah it’s Aizen vs Madara

[@BCCSquidward]

@@Meepie_Playz Fair, could be both.

[@Brasswendigo]

DBS Manga has Oozaru Bardock sniffing around for Granola's family, clearly showing full control.

[@the1andonlybelac]

Bro my favorite part is the fact that they left out Omniman struggling to keep up with a dude with a teleportation device lmfao

[@TraxMaster_99]

They contain themselfes to not damage the planet they reside, thats why allen doesnt go light speed on his planet

[@the1andonlybelac]

@TraxMaster_99 ya so do dragon ball characters

[@TraxMaster_99]

@@the1andonlybelac so.he isnt struggling, he is containing himself genius, and doesnt mattter anyway considering invincible track the guy so fast he arrived at the same time of the teleportation

[@GoldenPhaze]

Man's acting like people don't struggle with instant transmission no matter what series lol

[@TraxMaster_99]

@@GoldenPhaze teleportation abilities are sure very broken and underrated, i think the one that uses it very efficient is nightcrawler, bro negged blob by teleporting a shark inside of him 💀

[@tapmem]

One thing that everyone seems to forget is Omni-mans weakness to plasma. Taking a direct quote from Omni-man vs Homelander: Wiz: "-intense heat can be especially damaging." Boomstick: "Even the most powerful Viltrumites can be killed by extended baths in the spicy hot plasma of a star." Ki is made of plasma. The Star they were talking about was our own sun. The sun is just one big ball of exploding plasma. Bardocks Final Spirit Cannon is the same just condensed. The sun produces 9.192 x 10^10 megatons of TNT per second. Unfortunately, I don't know how to compare that to the 774.8 ronnatons we were given as Bardocks strength even if it is wrong, sorry I'm not so hot on the numbers. However if Bardocks Final Spirit Cannon is giving off as much Energy as our sun or more, then Omni-man shouldn't have even been able to touch the Final Spirit Cannon otherwise he would've been flash fried.

[@kyletimmons2940]

A ronnaton equals 1 x 10^27 tons, and therefor 1 x 10^21 megatons. So Bardock's 774.8 ronnatons equates to 7.748 x 10^23 megatons of TNT per second.

[@tapmem]

​@kyletimmons2940 so he was infact flash fried or rather, should've been.

[@anibalalejandrofernandez300]

basically taking that into account and that bardock had THE MASSIVE SPEED ADVANTAGE THAT THEY GAVE HIM, he could basically spam ki attacks at Nolan and screw up his smart atoms to the point of giving him a fatal blow or outright disintegrating him (and with the transformations the power and by default the heat of Bardock's ki attacks would increase giving him a greater advantage) That and taking into account the TYPE of planetary destruction that both did/scaled, Nolan DESTROYED/EXPLOITED a planet (that is, there were pieces of it left) while Bardock scaled King Vegeta who was able to DISINTEGRATE THREE PLANETS AT THE SAME TIME... It doesn't take a genius to know that disintegrating something requires MUCH more power than it takes to explode something.

[@ceoofdinosaurs4276]

I do agree that Omniman would lose btw but from what I understand they can perfectly survive being in the star itself it’s specifically the heat it’s like a kryptonite for them rather then them being overpowered by it if that makes sense

[@tapmem]

@ceoofdinosaurs4276 first law of thermodynamics, the more energy that is produced, the more heat produced.

[@ferm721]

Ever since the episode with Ben 10 vs Green Lantern I realized it's not a show that makes accurate power scaling, still I enjoy their videos a lot and I consider myself a Death Battle fan but it's good to consume it knowing that their data may not always be correct

[@Gamer-wo1st]

They do that on purpose they hate dragon ball and they like to meat ride marvel and dc characters

[@wildstorm3486]

For me it was Gara vs toff(Naruto bs ATLA)

[@ashuraomega1000]

To be fair Green Lantern could beat Ben but the way he beat him was just completely wrong

[@Gamer-wo1st]

@@ashuraomega1000 not even close Green Lantern ain't touching Alien X

[@Jsipki265]

@@Gamer-wo1stHe is GL scales higher

[@unknodaemon9220]

I'm honestly shock people need to make a debunk video on this . Omni man vs Bardock is like Naruto vs Ichigo 💀💀💀💀

[@lonkstakes]

See but theres an equal number of people who think ichigo beats naruto and vice versa

[@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2]

@@lonkstakes bro is resisting the urge to say Naruto beats Ichigo 💀🙏

[@miyahdon7057]

@@JustSomeGokuEnjoyer2 cause Ichigo slaps Naruto💀

[@jameslight4391]

​@@miyahdon7057boruto Naruto even valley of the end does. If you say they are equal Naruto has more hax and can make clones as strong as he is

[@eliteplayer3881]

@@jameslight4391Ichigo is Low Uni - Universal. Naruto is respectively a Byakuya victim.

[@Sword_Man_YT]

Gine would be a better match up for Omni-Man honestly…

[@RetroMagnus761]

She doesn't really have any feats unless you consider Planet Vegeta's gravity

[@MrNo-rb5qf]

@@RetroMagnus761 she survived making Goku and Raditz

[@redstaria963]

​@@MrNo-rb5qf 💀

[@theangrynerd101]

@@MrNo-rb5qf Those Bardock shots must have been crazy

[@Pickoffarwim]

That would be pretty interesting

[@nathangrey6236]

0:38: like seriously they say Bardock was 475 TRILLION TIME FTL AND omniman is only 20 Billion times FTL. Have they never thought that to a guy who's the that fast would essentially look invisible man to Omniman? Do they never know how many zero does a Trillion have?

[@sahi8321]

Really refrshing seeing a debunk video so chill and respectful, while still making really good points, great work !

[@code066funkinbird3]

Yeah even with the dB results tho

[@CuppaGi]

The biggest red flag for me; If Omniman could shatter and destroy SSJ1 Bardocks arm, why the FUCK did he not 1 tap base form Bardock with a light punch? People really underestimate just how big a x50 multiplier is.

[@RetroMagnus761]

It's episodes like this that make people start to believe that Death Battle has biases for certain characters and series', they completely disregarded Bardock's scaling and wanked Omni Man to the moon in order to give him the win. Same thing with Hulk vs Broly

[@lonkstakes]

Hulk does beat broly tho im ngl

[@RetroMagnus761]

@@lonkstakes well yeah that was my point, they gave Hulk none of his high end feats even though they're supposed to be using the strongest versions of the characters

[@abhijeetgolder7535]

Actually devil hulk according to the writer himself is below world breaker hulk. So using immortal hulk alone is a wrong choice. ​@@RetroMagnus761

[@UltraPickleMan]

​@@lonkstakesI was *NOT* familiar with Marvels Comics if that is the case

[@Minja-yo]

@@lonkstakeshow bro no way 😱

[@josephdent6825]

When I was watching this battle, I just knew, that it was gonna turn out like the Aizen and Darth Vader fight. Bardock deserved better!! 😭🥲

[@silentecho92able]

Toriyama deserved better most of all as i half expect them to make a tribute to the guy by making a DB character get a W.

[@code066funkinbird3]

​@silentecho92able it's not like the character is gonna win because a tribute for a author, don't get me wrong I like akiya toriyama and his dragon ball , but not everything has a winning graces for it

[@Toatekaha]

"This episode was sponsored by Robert Kirkman." - Death Battle.

[@ralphpangallo5960]

Honestly Kirkman would take one look at star level omni-man and call whoever got him that high a moron.

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

Considering he still uses "Invincible is stronger than Superman" as bait, I can see it.

[@nokina3]

​​@mikhaelgribkov4117 forgot he said that if he is going make that statement, then he needs to make viltrumite not die by the one thing that power super man Already see Invincible vs Superman in the sun Invincible die lmao

[@scoutszewc8989]

Making the 9.5 trillion seem smaller than the the 20 billion is funny as fuck😭😭

[@kormack69l35]

They put Invincibles TV adaptation to use, so when an alternate universe Omni Man (who should scale to our Omni Man, as seen in the Invincible Wars) died to a "Quantum bomb that took out half of Europe". The man who can destroy planets with a wave of his hand should win

[@frozezone2947]

Forgetting the fact that bardock died to a planetary attack

[@Mdaviz-xw2oj]

​@@frozezone2947frieza put more than enough energy to demolish all Saiyans trying to clash with it along with the planet. PLUS, Death battle uses SSJ Bardock, which means the version where he survived and got out

[@Mdaviz-xw2oj]

​@@frozezone2947frieza put more than enough energy to demolish all Saiyans trying to clash with it along with the planet. PLUS, Death battle uses SSJ Bardock, which means the version where he survived and got out

[@fledthehunter5293]

@@frozezone2947 That was a dwarf star level attack, Frieza could have destroyed the planet with just a death ball, a super nova was just huge overkill. Besides Bardock survived a good while in that attack.

[@Bear0601]

Show Omni-Man and Comic Omni-Man are virtually the exact same character. The Omni-Man who died to the Europe nuke is a completely different Omni-Man not connected to the character we’re actually looking at. It’s the exact same as compositing Manga and Anime characters because they’re meant to be the exact same, not some alternate timeline

[@phanboy8059]

DB decided to go full on Tifa vs Yang with their research on this one. Omni-Man has no bussiness fighting against Bardock, especially when you take Super Saiyan into consideration.

[@zuniversal1]

Few things to point out: The Multi-Continental satellite feat is from the G1 blog. The person who made the calc flat out said it's incredibly flawed and is redoing the calc. More consistently, it gets Small Planetary through vaporization (which is what it was. There was literally zero KE involved) King Vegeta's feat is not large star level, even the high end vs wiki calc is Small Star level. Also, why would they assume the planets are larger than earth? Earth is the standard for these types of calcs. The viltrum feat is very weird, Thaedus SAYS they'll die on impact, but then the SHOW them ramming through the planet, causing a massive explosion. Which would logically require more energy, hence why they mention it could be fatal due to heat in the black box. We know the Viltrumites cause the explosion, as Kirkman has repeatedly stated as much, and logically speaking, if the explosion was all the gun. Why would they even be needed? I think it's fair to give the full value to the viltrumites, but yeah, it's clear as day the result should be divided. To be clear, Bardock should've won. I am not arguing he shouldn't have. Even disregarding the speed feat they gave him (which he shouldn't scale to at all). The main argument they used for Omni-Man is literally just a massively highballed calc that gives every benefit of the doubt. Realistically, he should be far too weak to fight Bardock.

[@teagor9505]

They assume the planets are larger than earth, because DB earth is slightly, to massively bigger than our own depending on what source you use. Despite all that, earth within DB is considered small, so it stands to reason that average planets in DB are way bigger than our earth. Therefore said calcs are changed up.

[@zuniversal1]

@@teagor9505 Which is dumb, Earth is called small by characters who have been to hundreds of planets throughout the universe. There is still no reason to assume those planets are any bigger. The calc is just blatant wank with random, unfounded assumptions.

[@WThroat]

@@zuniversal1 Earth irl is a small planet, db having Earth as a small planet makes perfect sense. That's not wank, nor assumption, thats just a fact. The series themselves says it's a small planet, irl they are a small planet, only thing saying they have a higher chance of being a nomal sized planet is VSBW

[@zuniversal1]

@@WThroat Namek is also referred to as a small planet. It is unfounded wank to assume random ass no name planets are any bigger.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Especially just being there

[@moodishere]

Im really starting my own headcanon here, deathbattle has done this in almost every single dragon ball related versus battle and what im starting to see is that they know it gets a rise out of the community, gets debunk videos made, which is just free advertising for their videos/channel, at this point its so insane that it HAS to be deliberate

[@unclefrunkus5538]

Dragon ball has won more fights than they’ve lost on death battle btw, y’all are just being babies when you don’t always get what you want

[@unclefrunkus5538]

@@LibtarDemonRat bro is actually malding lmao. I don’t watch death battle for who wins, I watch for the very well made crossover animations. If you genuinely only care about which action figure gets slammed against the other harder than you’re a pretty sad person ngl.

[@HonestOpinions4u]

Nice rebuttal ​@@unclefrunkus5538

[@myusername3689]

​@@unclefrunkus5538 There's a thing called misinformation but you're far beyond reasoning at this point

[@Magic_Ice]

I can see an argument where Omni Man wins if they stuck to just the canon Bardock from the Manga, but they gave this guy anime and SSJ boost? Ain’t no way.

[@levievil9220]

Even if it was manga bardock he still scales to be planet buster even super manga because he had to at least get someone’s attention to get his kid in prince vegeta’s squad like that

[@Magic_Ice]

@@levievil9220 I agree but again I can see an argument to be made Omni Man might win, but I still think Bardock wins.

[@levievil9220]

@@Magic_Ice yeah there is a chance for omniman to win but even then it would have to be the bardock from whenever he got his squad wiped by Dodoria and in his weakened state still was able to put the hands on frieza’s army though

[@j.i.k2.044]

Even in the manga it doesn't matter, Bardock scales above Gas who was confirmed to be comparable to Frieza (likely his first form) which was a power level of 530,000.

[@HadesGamesolosgowverseandkrato]

Literally gave him the chilled special Where he scales to freeza As he mistook chilled for him despite seeing how strong freeza is

[@IrvinCascade]

0:35 "Worst of all, in my opinion though, they aren't even internally consistent with their own logic." Yup. That's a Death Battle video... Keep in mind, back in Goku vs Superman 1 (2013), they heavily nerfed Goku's speed to allow their calculated Superman to wreck him in every category. Somehow, they input that Goku's Base speed (DB Calc'd @ 64,343,057 km/hr, which is false) is somehow equal to his SSJ2 speed (DB also calc'd @ 64,343,057), meaning somehow SSJ1 and SSJ3 have the same speed in their calculation. Granted, Superman WOULD WIN a fight against Goku, but if they're going to just bs their way through "power scaling," and grossly nerf a character or misconstrue values (which they have FREEEEEEQUENTLY DONE!!) just to make their claims, they don't need to be doing these types of videos. Then in Tifa vs Yang, during the "pillar calculation," instead of using the crushing strength of the pillar (which would be higher than the force needed to bisect the pillar, like Yang did, considering the force used by the press exerts an equal pressure onto the entire pillar, while Yang was flying through from the side. It'd be akin to saying if you can snap a pencil in half, horizontally, you should also be able to crush it vertically). Instead of using the crushing strength of the pillar from the video, they used the MAXIMUM force the hydraulic press exerts as their value (which was significantly higher). Debaters in the comments linked to the original video from the hydraulic press calc, which disproved their measurement. Not to mention they ignored Tifa's multipliers and used a no-limits fallacy to describe Yang's defense. There's also their claims about Toph beating Gaara, despite Toph not showing feats even remotely comparable to Gaara...

[@IrvinCascade]

As I said, if they can't do the scaling properly, and/or want to fake their findings, with their huge following, they should not be doing these types of videos. They should really stick to DBX-stuff, OR reach out to more power scalers and do their research... The fights are excellent and fun, but they frequently do this stuff, which hinders actual power scalers and actual legitimate debates... It's frustrating.

[@raizen2574]

What I didn't understand about the way Death Battle explained it was how did the x50 SS multiplier do nothing? When the said Omniman destroying a larger planet was a much greater feat, than King Vegeta in base destroying 3 earth sized planets? Also in context from the scene King Vegeta didn't struggle to blow up those planets either. Are they saying a SS Bardock couldn't destroy the planet Omniman and 2 others destroyed? Im just still trying to understand where their logic is.

[@silentecho92able]

There logic feels like half the time they are pulling things out of there ass to generate controversy.

[@leektarantino8420]

Exactly, they acting like omniman was increasing his strength or transforming during the fight 😂in no way shape or form should omniman have been able to overpower the ss multiplier.

[@axiom6000]

Thank GOD Lonk is here to set the record straight!

[@SteadyFreedom]

So... are we just going to ignore that canonically Viltrumites cannot reach combat speeds similar to their travel speeds because of the way their Smart Atoms work? Forget about Death battle's downplay. Even with their calculations Bardock still would Blitz the fuck out of Omniman.

[@turkishbadger]

why is death battle always low balling dragon ball? bardock clearly wins in this matchup imagine they make gohan lose to invincible or somethin

[@TresBS1]

Because they keep cherry picking information from multiple sources and mashing it together without proper evaluation of context.

[@resentfuldragon]

@@TresBS1 They also love using composite versions of characters and fusions but never for dragonball. For example they will use anime goku feats only while using cosmic armor superman, an alternate fusion that requires an outside object and two supermen. You will never see alternate gokus like Xeno goku, or fusions like Gogeta being used to calc goku. While superman still wins, they decide to cheat anyway by doing that.

[@MGZero]

because it gets people mad and makes them watch their video lmao

[@gorge1365]

They highball Broly in their Hulk video, which was cap by the way.

[@code066funkinbird3]

​@@resentfuldragonor else they just gonna give burdock a good sense of winning

[@exwardd9629]

I did check for after how they had Viltrum be 14x in size, it doesn’t add up They state the reason is because it both has a ring, and that it has 5 moons, problems occur when you factor they’re much smaller than the planet, accounting for it, can be much smaller for it to fit the gravity we’re given in the comic (of which is stated about 1.25x Earth) that’s actually consistent given Earth is said it could potentially have up 7 moons if they were of Ceres mass, they also state a ring can’t exist on a planet as small as Earth, which is also not true, as it just needs a celestial object (like the moon) to get into a close enough orbit where it would actually fall apart into a ring- even then, their ring is Man made (no pun intended) so it doesn’t fit the standard laws of the Roche limit to begin with. All things considered a planet of Viltrum’s size could still be the 1.25x larger than earth it would be inferred to be, and still have its Moons and Rings, meaning the planet is definitely highballed to begin with.

[@anibalalejandrofernandez300]

and ANOTHER SHOW of how they literally exaggerated Nolan's power and destructive feats to FRANKLY ABSURD levels.

[@Hirotara]

I love Death Battle, been watching it for years now. I think that if they started collaborating with some of the more reputable power scalers in the YT sphere then they would be golden Talking about you, Lonk 😎

[@adnan_honest_jihadist5775]

PLEASE DO THIS WITH BOWSER VS EGGMAN THEY LITERALLY FUCKED IT UP TOO EVEN SO MUCH THAT MY NOSE STARTED TO BLEED

[@joxyver]

Let’s be real here: at this point with Death Battle, it’s just like watching a glorified (and sometimes 3D animated) versions of those Fight animations done by KZbin/Newgrounds Animators and Sprite Animators that make 2 or more characters fight and they just Choose who wins rather than make sense of it. Like how Death Battle made Mario win his second fight against Sonic even though their first deathbattle had Sonic win which made more sense in every way possible, and this isn’t like one of those things where it’s like “give the loser of the first match up the win to even it out” no, cause Goku loses to Superman, in all 3 battles they did of those 2, and those were essentially fair fights too because well Superman is that Strong compared to Goku. Thats what DeathBattles is now, they basically present you with history of the characters in the fight, their stats and feats which now can be basically looked at as false due to low balling or high balling, and then they have the characters fight to the death. And then they make the winner the one that would cause the most controversy to get A LOT MORE people to look the videos to reap the rewards. At this point let’s just stick around for the ride of it cause the animation is good and so are the fights (mostly).

[@aleysibbs2461]

Thanks for the facts, but you know how them invincible fans be.

[@Machiavelli2pc]

I’m an invincible fan, he’s one of my fav superheroes. But this death battle was disengenious and dishonest. If they want to be the authority (that they present themselves to be), they must be honest, and put aside clicks/engagement over fact. It must be done. Death Battle are absolute slime balls.

[@reedpyre9025]

even on the death battle sub reddit they all pretty much agree bardock should win

[@ndiaz1982]

I respect the hustle of the people behind death battle. They purposely make videos with ridiculous endings to get other creators to debunk them. They are giving them free advertisement. They could respond, but don't. Probably because they aren't giving free ads

[@darthrevan2081]

They do this on purpose to get hate views this is why I dont care for death battles opinions.

[@Tom-w2p4f]

Death battles is sponsored by the frieza force 😂

[@craigtucker101-slinger]

I join the membership, w video

[@lonkstakes]

Welcome!

[@craigtucker101-slinger]

@@lonkstakes w can’t wait to join the stream and watch early videos 🖤

[@shadow3746]

Death battle videos are entertaining and have great animations, but I would never take their analysis of character feats and powers as law. They've been inaccurate on many accounts, and sometimes just completely gloss over things characters do that completely undercut the decision that they would make at the end of the video.

[@OGEast1]

You earned extra sub, even non DBZ fans can dee the biased opinion on drath battle

[@Quindroid]

You did a great job and I 100% agree with your conclusion. I just a slight nitpick that while yes photons have no mass, they still have momentum because they have an energy with the momentum expressed as E/c. And because of conservation of momentum, the ship would indeed experience a recoil. However, I still agree that just because it can fire that beam doesn’t mean it can take that hit.

[@clockworkcat93catskill87]

Deathbattle is really gonna act like they forgot the time omni man got mopped by that green tentacle monster. If he couldnt deal with that, then there woulda been no way he woulda beeb able to handle bardock in giant ape form... Let alone bardock in his base form. One doesnt even need to know the numbers n math 4 that to know who would win.

[@lucasbroome4148]

There's a thread in the subreddit Powerscaling explaining the solar disk feat is small planet level

[@deltalord6969]

I like how if you use their own scaling frieza blowing up planet vegeta with his finger while only being 20k above super saiyan bardock would still outstripe the wank asf sun disc feat

[@thesleepisover6405]

Omg thank you 😂 i love death battle for the fun but they always get so much wrong and you can’t say so in comments without them saying “keep crying”

[@dr.darkcrow6784]

My thing is: I liked the rest of the video, the animation, the music, it was all straight FIRE! But the conclusion left a sour taste in my mouth for what could've been a 8 or 9/10 return.

[@thelettucebarrel7784]

I liked the fight even if I disagree with the result.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Same here

[@Someguyfromtheinternet36]

I have NEVER seen SSJ more disrespected then in the Death Battle. The last time i've seen a Super Saiyan get so disrespected was back when Android 18 just straight up demolished Vegeta.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Or Thor aiming for the head on vegeta ultra ego

[@KaSlider96]

I expected it to go like Red Rush vs Omni-Man. Except, you know, Nolan taking the place of Red Rush in this case.

[@FurlowT]

They also never give any concideration that Omniman almost got his ass wooped on during the opening to series by that group of heros. If he's so damn powerful, how did he almost die from that? None them were even a fraction of power of bardok, let alone what they claim Omniman to have.

[@DJ792YT]

Amazing video, somehow I didn't even consider the laser's lack of mass

[@bignotori3074]

Thanks for the first bit of the video. Nearly impossible to have a civil discussion about the episode.

[@changvasejarik62]

When it comes to dbz characters losing in death battle, total civility is never an option. I don’t like it, but it’s the truth.

[@Jsipki265]

@@changvasejarik62Are you purposely stupid? You realize by their own research Bardock still wins?

[@Jsipki265]

@@changvasejarik62Are you purposely dense? Bardock still wins if you’re using their own research.

[@sptflcrw8583]

​@@Jsipki265OK? Doesn't mean you have to be an ass about it.

[@irrelevant739]

​@@Jsipki265 he's saying that they're always dicks about it (not all of them but a large vocal amount consistently)

[@marcierex4547]

Deathbattle being wrong is honestly Fate taking its course

[@undeadinside3571]

Average desth battle video anytime they know they can troll

[@rodthedigger2902]

Great video!

[@SilentSeraph-lf1uq]

Thanks lonk I needed this, that death battle pissed me off greatly

[@genghisdingus]

Bardock was a planet buster in base then he got a zenkai boost putting him at around 20k power level. Then he got super saiyan which is a 50x multiplier giving him a power level of 1 million. He still has his tail so he could in theory stack super saiyan with the great ape for another 10x and even theoretically go ssj4 from controling the form.

[@thedrunkgiraffe8312]

Imma give them the benefit of the doubt since ofc it's likely been a stressful nightmare for everyone working on it due to the RT stuff. The QaA is thrusday which will be interesting. Personally, over the last 2 years I've agreed with like 80% of their outcomes so seeing this is concerning.

[@Haberu08]

7:41 ah yes the favorite part of the video, youtube ads

[@Dom92738]

Mine was a brawl stars ad 😭

[@emperor5919]

Thank you for being respectful towards the crew and the topic and not going on an angry rant.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Cool

[@mega_ferret6359]

I'm pretty sure a lot of the fighters in Dragonball could easily survive contact with the sun. Considering they can block and tank planet buster attacks. And can fight temporarily in the vacuum of space or at least in the upper atmospheres without any issues.

[@cantinoch9579]

I think they made that Death Battle to get people arguing in the comments section to get it up in the algorithm.

[@cryingmetal9349]

I literally thought it was going to be the opposite as well where omniman is faster and bardock is stronger. Btw the speed difference is 23500 times.

[@Rayzenith229]

Bro the cap was so bad that people who dont post something death battle related has to post a video about debunking their scaling on how absurdly bad it is😭😭😭😭😭

[@Kai0kenAssassin]

My brother actually tried to justify why Omni-Man won. It made no difference to me, cause I still crashed out…

[@ItzTheVaudeVillian]

This is exactly why I stopped watching death battle a long time ago you can already tell who they want to win by how they describe their feats

[@redlink8734]

Should have saved this video after the Death Battle Cast tomorrow sharing their reasoning for why they believe Omni man should scale to certain or not. would be interesting to see you cover it and agree or disagree with their calculations.

[@vegito_the1]

Nolan needing help to destroy a planet < King Vegeta destroying multiple on his own

[@frozezone2947]

Did bardok destroy a planets on his own? I bet he hasn't

[@thatoneguy2288]

​@@frozezone2947bardocks power level is comparable to king Vegeta...

[@Jsipki265]

@@frozezone2947Are you slow?

[@vegito_the1]

@@frozezone2947 of course I didn't because he had to sale them you troglodyte,he could if he wanted to tho

[@g3nd1a69]

@@frozezone2947He scales to King Vegeta, your point moot.

[@OverlyEpux]

Death battle are a joke and it’s clear that they’re biased against DB every time they put it against another verse

[@lonkstakes]

Dragonball has won fights before so I wouldn't go that far

[@shadows_bloodedge_78]

It's specifically the Saiyans (and majin buu) that have the most losses. People like roshi, android 18, hercule, frezia, berrus, and broly have won on death battle. It was on a seven win streak until goku black vs. reverse flash

[@chilled480]

​@@shadows_bloodedge_78Majin buu only had one fight and him losing to kirby makes sense kirby slams

[@francisco65372]

If they were biased against DB then why did they make a season finale with just dragon ball characters? Or why Dragon Ball has more wins than loses if you don't count the rematches of Goku vs. Superman (and if you count them, they have lost 8 times and won 7)

[@pizzaman3985]

They really are not biased against dragon ball at all if you since after goku vs Superman 2 dragon ball character have gone on a winning streak against other until goku black vs reverse flash

[@crazymumbo]

I don’t really understand Death Battle’s logic. I actually would have bought into their decision if they never mentioned the King Vegeta feat. If we take what they said literally about King Vegeta waving 3 planets away and apply the SSJ multiplier without any nuance. SSJ Bardock could wave his hand and casually wipe 150 planets away.

[@code066funkinbird3]

Does bardock even do that on actual Canon

[@Krishnaeternal]

Awesome vid! I agree we need Death Battle around, but it's more important to let people know that they really aren't good at what they're supposed to be doing. Then everybody wins. In other words, Death Battle exists to be debunked.

[@nichoudha]

Yeah, I'm never watching Death Battle again after that Bardock vs Omni-man explanation. I just straight up won't watch anything they make anymore and ignore all the drama they make for more clicks and attention to protect their business model.

[@thelordofthewest7781]

Final an actual not bad faith debunked

[@TeenGokuEdits]

Lonks takes is the hope of dragon ball scaling universe

[@fadedmogli5179]

They legit took one line about someone in the comic saying viltramite weapons don't work on them, even though they clearly don't have as much destructive potential as their own weapons and even they are able to hurt each other, and from there scaled their offense and durability to the level of their most powerful weapons. One line that is incorrect justified the entire outcome. Incredible.

[@RickyUzumaki993]

Yup…

[@X02Overdose]

Funny enough it’s not even stated that Viltrumites can outright tank that weapon lol

[@RickyUzumaki993]

@@X02Overdose Indeed

[@bogustoast22none25]

At the speeds bardock moves, even if, IF Omni is more durable, the sheer force due to the speed x mass of bardock doing a kamikaze run would put this as a draw, having both of them vaporize.

[@numbug1234]

I didn't even notice that sidebar until you pointed it out, and I usually read all of them But man that really changes everything, because now they're wrong by their own logic, oof

[@DepressedMan-c2l]

Still related to DB Lonk: There people that are debunking your take on ssj4 Gogeta vs Cabba saying that your lowballing Gogeta

[@lonkstakes]

Is there a video or?

[@DepressedMan-c2l]

@@lonkstakes I think there are in your video at the comments section and outside of yt like reddit

[@lonkstakes]

Oh, dont really care if its not a formal response or they dont actually contact me haha. Thanks for letting me know tho

[@DepressedMan-c2l]

@@lonkstakes Cuz a lot of people still believe that Gogeta beats Cabba like, also many videos about it as well

[@businessk3014]

The simple answer is death battle has based its business model on “Superman wins” so fake goku can’t beat fake super man not ever